Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes


Those would be stationary.

The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it 
meant Fahrtzoid  The fahr part is understandable.  I can't interpret 
the rest of the word.  The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular 
use.  Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation.




Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in 
the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices 
in the high $2.50s.


Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, 
and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to 
them is Lister.


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yep, a headlight assembly and buff it out.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies


Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he 
can get a job and buy his own car...

-Curt
 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was 
around $1000 not including shipping. Fenders were around $300. So that’s 
$1300 right there without shipping. Then the cost of getting them painted, 
which I’m thinking might be around $500.


Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.

That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. 
The numbers just don’t work.


Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too. That’s maybe another $200.

Thanks for the suggestion, however. It was worth a shot. I look a this as 
a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something 
a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. He’s driving 
about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting 
concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 
300k.


Dan



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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



What about the nearest junk yards? Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239


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[MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Curt sez:  Sadly both Trump and Walker are nuts and exceptionally 
good at making bad decisions. Trump takes chances and regularly goes 
bankrupt, can't do that with a country...



Uh... this country has been bankrupt many times and is now.  It has 
probably spent more time insolvent than solvent.   Trump also knows 
how to recover quickly from bankruptcy and come out better and 
stronger.  Not someone I'd want to sit and talk with , but you can't 
deny his financial success  I can;t think of anyone else in the 
country that has his clout.


I don't think sor os lives in the usa, but his clout is used for shear evil.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies


That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my 
day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a 
matter of personal preference.


The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house 
provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a 
responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, 
and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college 
buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the 
road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability 
to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a 
daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure.


As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get 
where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I 
can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values 
and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.


Dan

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he 
can get a job and buy his own car...

-Curt
 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was 
around $1000 not including shipping.  Fenders were around $300.  So that’s 
$1300 right there without shipping.  Then the cost of getting them 
painted, which I’m thinking might be around $500.


Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.

That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. 
The numbers just don’t work.


Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too.  That’s maybe another $200.

Thanks for the suggestion, however.  It was worth a shot.  I look a this 
as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into 
something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage.  He’s 
driving about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was 
getting concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s 
approaching 300k.


Dan



On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


What about the nearest junk yards?  Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239


car-part.com is your friend

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying 
off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money.

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Depends on the education. 
 On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something 
 useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten 
 yourself some experience through an internship or summer job.
 -Curt
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 And what exactly is the value of an education these days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my 
 day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a 
 matter of personal preference.
 
 The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house 
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a 
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, 
 and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college 
 buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the 
 road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to 
 have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily 
 basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure.
 
 As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where 
 I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can 
 contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and 
 appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
 light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he 
 can get a job and buy his own car...
 -Curt
 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 I looked there as well. They h

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Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
4Matic isn't a necessity here, but I'm wondering if it would be a liability? 
Any issues with 4Matic on these?

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 On July 17, 2015 at 5:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Guess it would help to include the link:
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html
 
 2002 is the last/best year for the W210.
 S210 was made in small quantity for 2003 model year. 
 The facelifted 2000-2003 models are all about the same though. 
 If you want to talk safety, BAC became standard in 98 or 99, 
 ESP in 2000.
 Chassis is lowered an inch or more from the 1996-1999 cars, so
 that is a small advantage to my 1999 in Michigan winters  rough
 roads and a small advantage to the newer 210s on clear pavement.  
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Goobermnt motors must be confident that they have effectively killed 
off the Diesel engine for Fahrtzoid use.   (as in the Deutz F series 
of engines: F912 and F913.)


Price of Dissel is 2.49 and benzin is 2.68.  Its been way too long 
since the world was the right side up.


Now if we can move the country toward getting right side up

Trump and Walker certainly have the guts to say and do what they 
believe in.  That is a refreshing change from the marxist or 
socialist choices of the recent past.


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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Depends on the education. 
On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful 
is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself 
some experience through an internship or summer job.
-Curt
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
   
And what exactly is the value of an education these days?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day 
 I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter 
 of personal preference.
 
 The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house 
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a 
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and 
 he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies 
 drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I 
 want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and 
 afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a 
 very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure.
 
 As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I 
 am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can 
 contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and 
 appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
 light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can 
 get a job and buy his own car...
 -Curt
    From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around 
 $1000 not including shipping.  Fenders were around $300.  So that’s $1300 
 right there without shipping.  Then the cost of getting them painted, which 
 I’m thinking might be around $500.
 
 Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.
 
 That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago.  The 
 numbers just don’t work.
 
 Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too.  That’s maybe another $200.
 
 Thanks for the suggestion, however.  It was worth a shot.  I look a this as 
 a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a 
 little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage.  He’s driving 
 about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting 
 concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 
 300k.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What about the nearest junk yards?  Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239
 
 car-part.com is your friend
 
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Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

That is the transmission with the really soft shifts

--R



On 7/17/15 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Guess it would help to include the link:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html 
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html

Dan



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wrote:

Looking forward to checking out that “Titronic” automatic all wheel drive.

rim shot

Thanks folks, I’ll be here all week.  Be sure to try the veal….

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

The government owes you!  You are entitled!  Get your FS now!

Did the first generation immigrant sneak across or follow the rules 
(i.e., was s/he stupid?)


--R



On 7/17/15 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I 
am.



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Re: [MBZ] 1981 Mercedes 380 SL Diesel

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Randy, get with the times!  You can't say tranny anymore, that word is 
hate speech.


--R



On 7/16/15 6:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

clutch is not hooked up because it has an auto tranny in it now
he says it had a manual tranny at one time in the past

RB 



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Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man

2015-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
No they are very reliable 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 4Matic isn't a necessity here, but I'm wondering if it would be a liability? 
 Any issues with 4Matic on these?
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 On July 17, 2015 at 5:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Guess it would help to include the link:
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html
 
 2002 is the last/best year for the W210.
 S210 was made in small quantity for 2003 model year. 
 The facelifted 2000-2003 models are all about the same though. 
 If you want to talk safety, BAC became standard in 98 or 99, 
 ESP in 2000.
 Chassis is lowered an inch or more from the 1996-1999 cars, so
 that is a small advantage to my 1999 in Michigan winters  rough
 roads and a small advantage to the newer 210s on clear pavement.  
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
And what exactly is the value of an education these days?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day 
 I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter 
 of personal preference.
 
 The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house 
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a 
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and 
 he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies 
 drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I 
 want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and 
 afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a 
 very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure.
 
 As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I 
 am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can 
 contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and 
 appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
 light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can 
 get a job and buy his own car...
 -Curt
 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around 
 $1000 not including shipping.  Fenders were around $300.  So that’s $1300 
 right there without shipping.  Then the cost of getting them painted, which 
 I’m thinking might be around $500.
 
 Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.
 
 That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago.  The 
 numbers just don’t work.
 
 Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too.  That’s maybe another $200.
 
 Thanks for the suggestion, however.  It was worth a shot.  I look a this as 
 a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a 
 little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage.  He’s driving 
 about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting 
 concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 
 300k.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What about the nearest junk yards?  Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239
 
 car-part.com is your friend
 
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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 
2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high 
$2.50s.

Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to 
work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Goobermnt motors must be confident that they have effectively killed off the 
 Diesel engine for Fahrtzoid use.   (as in the Deutz F series of engines: F912 
 and F913.)
 
 Price of Dissel is 2.49 and benzin is 2.68.  Its been way too long since the 
 world was the right side up.
 
 Now if we can move the country toward getting right side up
 
 Trump and Walker certainly have the guts to say and do what they believe in.  
 That is a refreshing change from the marxist or socialist choices of the 
 recent past.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man

2015-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
That one looks decent. I think 27mpg might be optimistic in a 4matic though but 
maybe possible. It appears to be well optioned though but not really sure you 
need 4matic and heated seats in Florida 

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Guess it would help to include the link:
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html
 
 Dan 
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Looking forward to checking out that “Titronic” automatic all wheel drive.
 
 rim shot
 
 Thanks folks, I’ll be here all week.  Be sure to try the veal….
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I paid $2.95 today because I was running late and I knew this particular 
station would be the fastest to get in and out of. The cheapest option was 
$2.79, fortunately the Jetta only needs 12 gallons nearly totally empty. Also 
fortunately this station has the best quality fuel which gives the best 
mileage, not enough to make up for the price differential but a couple extra 
MPGs are always nice, this should be a 55mpg tank.
-Curt
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, 
Torque
   
What is a BA, Dan?

Paid 2.69 last night while driving home from Charlotte, my favorite local 
station is 2.65.  Gas Buddy says I can pay 2.53 at a station down in ChuckTown. 
 I think unleaded is around 2.40?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300



On July 17, 2015 9:00:53 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the
2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the
high $2.50s.

Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and
easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is
Lister.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. 
College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job 
and buy his own car...
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
   
I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around 
$1000 not including shipping.  Fenders were around $300.  So that’s $1300 right 
there without shipping.  Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m 
thinking might be around $500.

Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.

That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago.  The 
numbers just don’t work.

Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too.  That’s maybe another $200.

Thanks for the suggestion, however.  It was worth a shot.  I look a this as a 
blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a 
little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage.  He’s driving about 
75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned 
about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k.

Dan



 On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What about the nearest junk yards?  Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239
 
 car-part.com is your friend
 
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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sadly both Trump and Walker are nuts and exceptionally good at making bad 
decisions. Trump takes chances and regularly goes bankrupt, can't do that with 
a country...
Walker tells people one thing, then does another, ie he sets up labor deals and 
then breaks them so his corporate buddies can get big kickbacks rather than 
paying taxes...
As usual the turdburger and crap sandwich.
-Curt
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, 
Torque
   
Goobermnt motors must be confident that they have effectively killed 
off the Diesel engine for Fahrtzoid use.  (as in the Deutz F series 
of engines: F912 and F913.)

Price of Dissel is 2.49 and benzin is 2.68.  Its been way too long 
since the world was the right side up.

Now if we can move the country toward getting right side up

Trump and Walker certainly have the guts to say and do what they 
believe in.  That is a refreshing change from the marxist or 
socialist choices of the recent past.



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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
What is a BA, Dan?

Paid 2.69 last night while driving home from Charlotte, my favorite local 
station is 2.65.  Gas Buddy says I can pay 2.53 at a station down in ChuckTown. 
 I think unleaded is around 2.40?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2015 9:00:53 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the
2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the
high $2.50s.

Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and
easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is
Lister.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I 
could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of 
personal preference.

The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides 
wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a responsible kid 
for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and 
is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they 
are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand 
the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a 
result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression 
- it has on him, for sure.

As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I 
am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can 
contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and 
appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
 light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can 
 get a job and buy his own car...
 -Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around 
 $1000 not including shipping.  Fenders were around $300.  So that’s $1300 
 right there without shipping.  Then the cost of getting them painted, which 
 I’m thinking might be around $500.
 
 Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.
 
 That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago.  The 
 numbers just don’t work.
 
 Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too.  That’s maybe another $200.
 
 Thanks for the suggestion, however.  It was worth a shot.  I look a this as a 
 blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a 
 little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage.  He’s driving about 
 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned 
 about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What about the nearest junk yards?  Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239
 
 car-part.com is your friend
 
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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Badass.

Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 What is a BA, Dan?
 
 Paid 2.69 last night while driving home from Charlotte, my favorite local 
 station is 2.65.  Gas Buddy says I can pay 2.53 at a station down in 
 ChuckTown.  I think unleaded is around 2.40?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On July 17, 2015 9:00:53 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the
 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the
 high $2.50s.
 
 Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and
 easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is
 Lister.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace 
the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like 
it he can get a job and buy his own car...


Hear, hear!

Sounds like that car has plenty of life left in it, in the
beater brigade.  Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_
will like it.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Its the idiots that go to a big name school spending $40,000 a year for a 
degree in humanities or something else with no market value. Like anything you 
need to do some research, your heart is a terrible guide to these things...
My alma-mater (Fitchburg State University) costs not a ton more now than it did 
when I graduated. I spent about $6,500 a year including room and board. A 
couple years ago I was working with a guy who graduated Emerson about the same 
time I did but he spent around 2x what I did. We had the same basic degree, 
were doing the same job, making the same money but I paid off my student loans 
5 years early...
-Curt
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 10:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
   
College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying 
off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money.

Sent from my iPhone



 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Depends on the education. 
 On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something 
 useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten 
 yourself some experience through an internship or summer job.
 -Curt
      From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 And what exactly is the value of an education these days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my 
 day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a 
 matter of personal preference.
 
 The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house 
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a 
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, 
 and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college 
 buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the 
 road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to 
 have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily 
 basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure.
 
 As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where 
 I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can 
 contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and 
 appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
 light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he 
 can get a job and buy his own car...
 -Curt
    From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 I looked there as well. They h

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Poos should buy the boy 20 acres or so out in the weeds and let the boy 
start a Mercedes parts bidness, buying up clapped out POSs for $500 and 
stacking them on the property for later disposition.


--R



On 7/17/15 10:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying 
off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money.



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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
A college degree imparts nothing if the owner of the degree parks his butt
on the degree and waits for magic to come to him because he has it..

It seems that may be the case with many who hold student loans for their
degree in liberal underwater basket weaving, or social victimology
[snark full on].

Life is hard, life is harder if you don't get off your butt and apply what
talents you have, to use what tools you have.

A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth only the paper it
is written on barely.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks
 paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much
 money.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Depends on the education.
  On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something
 useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten
 yourself some experience through an internship or summer job.
  -Curt
   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
  Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
  And what exactly is the value of an education these days?
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in
 my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a
 matter of personal preference.
 
  The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk,
 and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college
 buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the
 road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to
 have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily
 basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure.
 
  As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get
 where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I
 can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and
 appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.
 
  Dan
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace
 the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it
 he can get a job and buy his own car...
  -Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
  To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
  Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
  I looked there as well. They h

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Poos should buy the boy 20 acres or so out in the weeds and let the boy start 
 a Mercedes parts bidness, buying up clapped out POSs for $500 and stacking 
 them on the property for later disposition.
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 7/17/15 10:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks 
 paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much 
 money.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
The problem it seems these days is people seem to think once they have a degree 
the world should be handed to them. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:03 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 A college degree imparts nothing if the owner of the degree parks his butt
 on the degree and waits for magic to come to him because he has it..
 
 It seems that may be the case with many who hold student loans for their
 degree in liberal underwater basket weaving, or social victimology
 [snark full on].
 
 Life is hard, life is harder if you don't get off your butt and apply what
 talents you have, to use what tools you have.
 
 A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth only the paper it
 is written on barely.
 
 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks
 paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much
 money.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Depends on the education.
 On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something
 useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten
 yourself some experience through an internship or summer job.
 -Curt
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 And what exactly is the value of an education these days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in
 my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a
 matter of personal preference.
 
 The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk,
 and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college
 buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the
 road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to
 have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily
 basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure.
 
 As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get
 where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I
 can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and
 appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace
 the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it
 he can get a job and buy his own car...
 -Curt
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 I looked there as well. They h
 
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Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Soros has a big house in the Hamptons, next door to a friend of a 
friend, also next door to Roger Waters's house there.  My friend has 
attended gatherings at which Soros has been, and he always appears with 
one of his young nieces.  My buddy and I went to an event in Houston 
where Soros spoke (sponsored by The Progressive Forum) as my buddy 
wanted me to get some first-hand exposure to the guy.  It was a 
fascinating evening hearing him speak in sort of a QA format (questions 
by the moderator then by some audience members).  [BTW way I have met 
the friend of the friend, who is Czech, and whose family endured the 
hardships of the Nazis and the commies, and who managed to come to the 
US, get educated, and make a LOT of money -- he is a very nice guy, very 
smart, and quite savvy about people.  He consorts with Soros 
occasionally to see what he is about, and also to keep tabs on what he 
is up to in his various political and business efforts)


Soros is completely amoral, which became abundantly apparent from his 
answers to questions.  One audience member asked him how he came to be 
like that (might not have actually asked him why we was amoral, but that 
was the gist of the question) and he related a story:  His father had 
been captured by the Russians during WW2 and sent to Siberian prison 
camp.  He managed to escape and over a period of a few months and 
returned to Budapest (I think it was) where he and George, themselves 
Jews, started ratting out Jews to the Nazis in exchange for money and 
whatever.  George said he asked his father what he did to make it back, 
and the father replied, Whatever it took and that was the lesson 
George used in his own life.


So, not only was he complicit in the murders of many Jews by the Nazis 
during the war, he continued/s his amoral practices in his business 
dealings and in his various progressive endeavors.  Soros made on 
apologies for any of this, in fact seemed somewhat proud of it as he did 
whatever it took.


One other interesting exchange was with a young guy from West Texas who 
had come to the meeting to see for himself what Soros was about.  He 
stated this in his question, then asked why Soros was opposed to guns 
when he had seen what happened to people in the war who could not defend 
themselves, and who had been subjugated by the Nazis.  Soros started 
some song and dance about well I'm not really opposed blah blah and the 
kid just would not let him worm out of it.  The kid sounded like a total 
West Texas goober but he was quite smart and very tenacious.  At some 
point he referenced the gun he had in his pocket and I thought a lot of 
the audience was going to soil their pants right then and there.  This 
goes back and forth for a few minutes,  the kid had Soros all tied up 
and basically told him in a very firm and polite way that he was evil 
and a hypocrite, and the audience was going crazy, a lot of the old 
hippies yelling at the kid who threw it right back at them.  it was on 
the verge of getting way out of control and the moderator finally shut 
everyone up, Soros made a few smartass comments that got the base 
cheering, but the old hippies were still mouthing off about the 
gun-totin kid who cleaned Soros mighty well.


Soros is a truly evil person.

--R



On 7/17/15 10:35 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Curt sez:  Sadly both Trump and Walker are nuts and exceptionally 
good at making bad decisions. Trump takes chances and regularly goes 
bankrupt, can't do that with a country...



Uh... this country has been bankrupt many times and is now.  It has 
probably spent more time insolvent than solvent.   Trump also knows 
how to recover quickly from bankruptcy and come out better and 
stronger.  Not someone I'd want to sit and talk with , but you can't 
deny his financial success  I can;t think of anyone else in the 
country that has his clout.


I don't think sor os lives in the usa, but his clout is used for shear 
evil.


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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Fan turns freely.

SWMBO took car out late yesterday with A/C OFF; everything else as usual. 
Returned with fuse intact.


What is best way to isolate compressor from the system with controls calling 
for cooling as usual?  Unplug wire on pressure switch at dryer?


What is the likelihood of a glitche in the control unit causing the fuse 
to blow?


Same for temp. sensor motor?

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse


I'd check the engine fan to be sure it turns freely.  I think it is one of 
the highest energy consumers in that list



I removed the fuse placard and carefully cleaned away the soot and 
scorching as best I can.  I have deciphered the fuse #7 list to read: 
backup lamp, heating water valve, water pump, engine fan, heating system 
for washer jets, climate control system, relay aux fan term. 86, auto. 
trans. electrics, blower motor inside temp. sensor, air cond. compressor. 
(I filled in several obscured words with imagination and/or what I vaguely 
remember.  Can somebody please verify it for me?)


Wilton

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mercedes@okiebenz.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse


#7 fuse has blown couple more times.  The placard inside the fuse box 
cover is scorched, obscuring the list of systems in addition to 
compressor on that fuse, and I can't open the pdf file showing such as I 
have many times before.  Can somebody, please, send me a photo of the 
placard or the appropriate pdf showing those items on fuse #7 for '87 
300D?


Wilton

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To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:51 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Blown fuse

SWMBO came in from short trip in the '87 300D, leaned over back of chair 
in cool living room where I was napping and announced, Blown fuse in 
the car.  I was driving along with air conditioning blasting away 
nicely, and it just quit.  Don't ya think it's a blown fuse?


I replied, Yep; sure hope that's all it is.  'Hobbled out to car 
thinking 30 amp blower fuse had blown.  Loosened the two mounting screws 
thinking the fuse would fall apart as I removed it, but it did not. 
Checked fuses in fuse box; 'found #7 (for compressor and coupla other 
things) blown.  Because of my shaky hands, called SWMBO to help me put 
blower fuse back in place and RR #7.  A/C blowing ice cold again.


BTW, I did NOT change ALL the fuses.  ;)

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The boy attends the University of South Florida's St. Petersburg campus. 
Tuition for a semester runs between $2000-$3000 including books, depending on 
his class load. So call it $7500/year.

Very affordable.

We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at 
the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them 
around $45k/year.

I could never get my head around that.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Its the idiots that go to a big name school spending $40,000 a year for a 
 degree in humanities or something else with no market value. Like anything 
 you need to do some research, your heart is a terrible guide to these 
 things...
 My alma-mater (Fitchburg State University) costs not a ton more now than it 
 did when I graduated. I spent about $6,500 a year including room and board. A 
 couple years ago I was working with a guy who graduated Emerson about the 
 same time I did but he spent around 2x what I did. We had the same basic 
 degree, were doing the same job, making the same money but I paid off my 
 student loans 5 years early...
 -Curt
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 10:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying 
 off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Depends on the education. 
 On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something 
 useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten 
 yourself some experience through an internship or summer job.
 -Curt
   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 And what exactly is the value of an education these days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my 
 day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a 
 matter of personal preference.
 
 The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house 
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a 
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, 
 and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most

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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Wilton,

I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is 
located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be pretty 
tight in the socket.  A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up should 
free it.  I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow the fuse 
if the KLIMA relay were removed.

Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, but 
that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the KLIMA relay 
would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch.

A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing clutch 
that draws too much current.  I'll have to search for a bit to find the normal 
amperage.  I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the test a 
resistance test?  Need to start digging...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:
Fan turns freely.

SWMBO took car out late yesterday with A/C OFF; everything else as
usual. 
Returned with fuse intact.

What is best way to isolate compressor from the system with controls
calling 
for cooling as usual?  Unplug wire on pressure switch at dryer?

What is the likelihood of a glitche in the control unit causing the
fuse 
to blow?

Same for temp. sensor motor?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse


 I'd check the engine fan to be sure it turns freely.  I think it is
one of 
 the highest energy consumers in that list


I removed the fuse placard and carefully cleaned away the soot and 
scorching as best I can.  I have deciphered the fuse #7 list to read:

backup lamp, heating water valve, water pump, engine fan, heating
system 
for washer jets, climate control system, relay aux fan term. 86,
auto. 
trans. electrics, blower motor inside temp. sensor, air cond.
compressor. 
(I filled in several obscured words with imagination and/or what I
vaguely 
remember.  Can somebody please verify it for me?)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse


#7 fuse has blown couple more times.  The placard inside the fuse
box 
cover is scorched, obscuring the list of systems in addition to 
compressor on that fuse, and I can't open the pdf file showing such
as I 
have many times before.  Can somebody, please, send me a photo of
the 
placard or the appropriate pdf showing those items on fuse #7 for
'87 
300D?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:51 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Blown fuse

SWMBO came in from short trip in the '87 300D, leaned over back of
chair 
in cool living room where I was napping and announced, Blown fuse
in 
the car.  I was driving along with air conditioning blasting away 
nicely, and it just quit.  Don't ya think it's a blown fuse?

I replied, Yep; sure hope that's all it is.  'Hobbled out to car 
thinking 30 amp blower fuse had blown.  Loosened the two mounting
screws 
thinking the fuse would fall apart as I removed it, but it did not.

Checked fuses in fuse box; 'found #7 (for compressor and coupla
other 
things) blown.  Because of my shaky hands, called SWMBO to help me
put 
blower fuse back in place and RR #7.  A/C blowing ice cold again.

BTW, I did NOT change ALL the fuses.  ;)

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Here's the troubleshooting info for the clutch coil, either read ohms or
amps depending on your test equipment.  This was copied from the MBCA
forums before they effectively killed it.  I met Bob Goodwin a few times,
retired Navy and a great guy.

There is one thing that I don't believe is covered as well as it should be
and that is the clutch coil. Yes, the clutch coil. Famous for burning out,
shorting out or just frying a few windings. Not enough to blow the fuse but
plenty to disrupt the speed comparator and shut off the compressor
permanently or intermittently.


Of all the troubleshooting steps, checking the compressor clutch coil is
cheap and relatively easy. Measure current with a clamp on amp meter.
Reading should be 3.75 A hot or 4.2 A cold. Resistance should be approx 3.5
ohms hot or 3.1 ohms cold.

Everytime I chased an elusive A/C compressor problem in a Mercedes, it
turned out to be a bad clutch. I don't spend near as much on A/C parts
anymore.

__
Robert Goodwin

Virginia Beach, Virginia
'87 300SDL
'95 E300D


-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wilton,

 I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that
 is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be
 pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up
 should free it. I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow
 the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed.

 Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it,
 but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the
 KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch.

 A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing
 clutch that draws too much current. I'll have to search for a bit to find
 the normal amperage. I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the
 test a resistance test? Need to start digging...
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Fan turns freely.

 SWMBO took car out late yesterday with A/C OFF; everything else as usual.
 Returned with fuse intact.

 What is best way to isolate compressor from the system with controls calling
 for cooling as usual?  Unplug wire on pressure switch at dryer?

 What is the likelihood of a glitche in the control unit causing the fuse
 to blow?

 Same for temp. sensor motor?

 Wilton

 - Original Message -
 From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse


  I'd check the engine fan to be sure it turns freely.  I think it is one of

 the highest energy consumers in that list


 I removed the fuse placard and carefully cleaned away the soot and
 scorching as best I can.  I have deciphered the fuse #7 list to read:
 backup lamp, heating water valve, water pump, engine fan, heating system
 for washer jets, climate control system, relay aux fan term. 86, auto.
 trans. electrics, blower motor inside temp. sensor, air cond. compressor.
 (I filled in several obscured words with imagination and/or what I vaguely
 remember.  Can somebody please verify it for me?)

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown
 fuse


 #7 fuse has blown couple more times.  The placard inside the fuse box
 cover is scorched, obscuring the list of systems in addition to
 compressor on that fuse, and I can't open the pdf file showing such as I
 have many times before.  Can somebody, please, send me a photo of the
 placard or the appropriate pdf showing those items on fuse #7 for '87
 300D?

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:51 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Blown fuse

 SWMBO came in from short trip in the '87 300D,
 leaned over back of chair
 in cool living room where I was napping and announced, Blown fuse in
 the car.  I was driving along with air conditioning blasting away
 nicely, and it just quit.  Don't ya think it's a blown fuse?

 I replied, Yep; sure hope that's all it is.  'Hobbled out to car
 thinking 30 amp blower fuse had blown.  Loosened the two mounting screws
 thinking the fuse would fall apart as I removed it, but it did not.
 Checked fuses in fuse box; 'found #7 (for compressor and coupla other
 things) blown.  Because of my shaky hands, called SWMBO to help me put
 blower fuse back in place and RR #7.  A/C blowing ice cold again.

 BTW, I did NOT change ALL the fuses.  ;)

 Wilton


 

Re: [MBZ] 1981 Mercedes 380 SL Diesel

2015-07-17 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
Right.  The proper term is Gearbox-American  or Identifies as
Torqueflite.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Randy, get with the times!  You can't say tranny anymore, that word is
 hate speech.

 --R



 On 7/16/15 6:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

 clutch is not hooked up because it has an auto tranny in it now
 he says it had a manual tranny at one time in the past

 RB



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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around 
$1000 not including shipping.  Fenders were around $300.  So that’s $1300 right 
there without shipping.  Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m 
thinking might be around $500.

Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.

That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago.  The 
numbers just don’t work.

Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too.  That’s maybe another $200.

Thanks for the suggestion, however.  It was worth a shot.  I look a this as a 
blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a 
little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage.  He’s driving about 
75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned 
about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k.

Dan



 On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What about the nearest junk yards?  Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239
 
 car-part.com is your friend
 
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Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Guess it would help to include the link:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html 
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html

Dan 


 On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Looking forward to checking out that “Titronic” automatic all wheel drive.
 
 rim shot
 
 Thanks folks, I’ll be here all week.  Be sure to try the veal….
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 17, 2015 at 5:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy
 into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage.

Better gas mileage is easy. 
Substantially safer than a 140 might not be so easy. 

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Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man

2015-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 17, 2015 at 5:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Guess it would help to include the link:
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html 

2002 is the last/best year for the W210.
S210 was made in small quantity for 2003 model year. 
The facelifted 2000-2003 models are all about the same though. 
If you want to talk safety, BAC became standard in 98 or 99, 
ESP in 2000.
Chassis is lowered an inch or more from the 1996-1999 cars, so
that is a small advantage to my 1999 in Michigan winters  rough
roads and a small advantage to the newer 210s on clear pavement.  

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 190Dt radiator

2015-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 16, 2015 at 10:43 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 so, the body is s**t, rust and bondo.Next. 

Here's the next body:
http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/5116520802.html

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Re: [MBZ] 1981 Mercedes 380 SL Diesel

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Trans-missioned assembly

--R



On 7/17/15 12:29 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Right.  The proper term is Gearbox-American  or Identifies as
Torqueflite.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Randy, get with the times!  You can't say tranny anymore, that word is
hate speech.

--R



On 7/16/15 6:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


clutch is not hooked up because it has an auto tranny in it now
he says it had a manual tranny at one time in the past

RB



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Re: [MBZ] 1981 Mercedes 380 SL Diesel

2015-07-17 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Good Lord.

RB

On 17/07/2015 11:29 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Right.  The proper term is Gearbox-American  or Identifies as
Torqueflite.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Randy, get with the times!  You can't say tranny anymore, that word is
hate speech.

--R



On 7/16/15 6:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:


clutch is not hooked up because it has an auto tranny in it now
he says it had a manual tranny at one time in the past

RB



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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Wish you were closer, I would probably buy it

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have a local MB buddy who wants it for parts, but when the time comes I'll 
 give it a weekend on CL at something like $1000 to see if anyone wants it 
 before I sell it to him.
 
 I can sit here and collectively list all the $$ I've spent on it recently, 
 but we all know that's water under the bridge and has little bearing on the 
 market value.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
 light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he 
 can get a job and buy his own car...
 
 Hear, hear!
 
 Sounds like that car has plenty of life left in it, in the
 beater brigade.  Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_
 will like it.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Nothing.

If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on *if* 
the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no 
effect.

I guess a pressure switch could fail grounded, but I've never heard of that 
happening.

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:21 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate?
 
 BTW, 'replaced KLIMA coupla years ago.
 
 Wilton
 
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 Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
 
 
 Wilton,
 
 I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is 
 located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be 
 pretty tight in the socket.  A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up 
 should free it.  I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow 
 the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed.
 
 Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, 
 but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the 
 KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch.
 
 A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing clutch 
 that draws too much current.  I'll have to search for a bit to find the 
 normal amperage.  I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the 
 test a resistance test?  Need to start digging...
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Fan turns freely.
 

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Dan wrote:
 
 Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.

 That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for
 three years ago.  The numbers just don’t work.

Would you be willing to pay $2000 for another car that had
those repairs done, and was as well sorted out as what that
one is?

You buy another car and there will be mysteries.  Most of
those mysteries you have already found on the car you have.

But whatever.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes




 On July 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

 
 We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school
 at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost
 them around $45k/year.
 
 I could never get my head around that.

That depends, is it worth $60k (housing etc included) a year to have your
daughter date Harvard students?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_
 will like it.

Bingo.
List it on eBay as Spares or Repair, and let some truly poor kid get some
enjoyment out
of it. Maybe somebody will bid the modern equivalent of the $200 I paid for my
first car. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sorry. No title.

grin

Dan Shakes when starts/aluminum V8/Fat Slag

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Wish you were closer, I would probably buy it
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I have a local MB buddy who wants it for parts, but when the time comes I'll 
 give it a weekend on CL at something like $1000 to see if anyone wants it 
 before I sell it to him.
 
 I can sit here and collectively list all the $$ I've spent on it recently, 
 but we all know that's water under the bridge and has little bearing on the 
 market value.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
 light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he 
 can get a job and buy his own car...
 
 Hear, hear!
 
 Sounds like that car has plenty of life left in it, in the
 beater brigade.  Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_
 will like it.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate?

BTW, 'replaced KLIMA coupla years ago.

Wilton

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Wilton,

I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that 
is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be 
pretty tight in the socket.  A firm grip and gentle working while pulling 
up should free it.  I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still 
blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed.


Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, 
but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the 
KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch.


A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing 
clutch that draws too much current.  I'll have to search for a bit to find 
the normal amperage.  I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is 
the test a resistance test?  Need to start digging...

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Fan turns freely.

SWMBO took car out late yesterday with A/C OFF; everything else as
usual.
Returned with fuse intact.

What is best way to isolate compressor from the system with controls
calling
for cooling as usual?  Unplug wire on pressure switch at dryer?

What is the likelihood of a glitche in the control unit causing the
fuse
to blow?

Same for temp. sensor motor?

Wilton

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Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse



I'd check the engine fan to be sure it turns freely.  I think it is

one of

the highest energy consumers in that list



I removed the fuse placard and carefully cleaned away the soot and
scorching as best I can.  I have deciphered the fuse #7 list to read:



backup lamp, heating water valve, water pump, engine fan, heating

system

for washer jets, climate control system, relay aux fan term. 86,

auto.

trans. electrics, blower motor inside temp. sensor, air cond.

compressor.

(I filled in several obscured words with imagination and/or what I

vaguely

remember.  Can somebody please verify it for me?)

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse



#7 fuse has blown couple more times.  The placard inside the fuse

box

cover is scorched, obscuring the list of systems in addition to
compressor on that fuse, and I can't open the pdf file showing such

as I

have many times before.  Can somebody, please, send me a photo of

the

placard or the appropriate pdf showing those items on fuse #7 for

'87

300D?

Wilton

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Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:51 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Blown fuse


SWMBO came in from short trip in the '87 300D, leaned over back of

chair

in cool living room where I was napping and announced, Blown fuse

in

the car.  I was driving along with air conditioning blasting away
nicely, and it just quit.  Don't ya think it's a blown fuse?

I replied, Yep; sure hope that's all it is.  'Hobbled out to car
thinking 30 amp blower fuse had blown.  Loosened the two mounting

screws

thinking the fuse would fall apart as I removed it, but it did not.



Checked fuses in fuse box; 'found #7 (for compressor and coupla

other

things) blown.  Because of my shaky hands, called SWMBO to help me

put

blower fuse back in place and RR #7.  A/C blowing ice cold again.

BTW, I did NOT change ALL the fuses.  ;)

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I've known this family very well since our kids were in kindergarten.

Mom and Dad were so focused on the academic achievements of daughter that 
nothing the son did could eclipse big sister. Therefore, I'm convinced he got 
wise after beating his head against the wall and getting nothing for it that he 
tossed in the towel and just said Screw it.

Too bad, as he's a smart kid.  Mom and Dad can't seem to figure out Where they 
went wrong with him.

Mom's Facebook page is like an altar to the achievements of the daughter. No 
mention of sonny. Daughter just received the Lex award for freshmen at U of 
Houston Law. This must be a big deal, as she's been spouting off about it for 
almost a week on FB.

Dan


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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
 I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the 
 stick
 
 My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) because 
 his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private school and 
 their father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out of a public 
 school than a private school. (in other words, the smart kid flunked out of 
 college, so why expect the hard working kid to do any better?)
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck rolling 
stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by Deutz engines in 
the latter half of the last century.

Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary 
engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know the 
answer.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Those would be stationary.
 
 The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it meant 
 Fahrtzoid  The fahr part is understandable.  I can't interpret the rest of 
 the word.  The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use.  Herr Gabard 
 could probably give a better explanation.
 
 
 
 Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 
 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high 
 $2.50s.
 
 Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy 
 to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister.
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
On the subject of the AC compressor clutch coil, I would inspect the wiring to 
it very carefully, as it can come loose from the tie wrap that secures it to 
the compressor, lean out somewhat, allowing it to rub against the back of the 
compressor pulley, which grounds it out and eventually cuts through it.

I say this as I found just that condition on my oldest son's former 300E.

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Here's the troubleshooting info for the clutch coil, either read ohms or
 amps depending on your test equipment.  This was copied from the MBCA
 forums before they effectively killed it.  I met Bob Goodwin a few times,
 retired Navy and a great guy.
 
 There is one thing that I don't believe is covered as well as it should be
 and that is the clutch coil. Yes, the clutch coil. Famous for burning out,
 shorting out or just frying a few windings. Not enough to blow the fuse but
 plenty to disrupt the speed comparator and shut off the compressor
 permanently or intermittently.
 
 
 Of all the troubleshooting steps, checking the compressor clutch coil is
 cheap and relatively easy. Measure current with a clamp on amp meter.
 Reading should be 3.75 A hot or 4.2 A cold. Resistance should be approx 3.5
 ohms hot or 3.1 ohms cold.
 
 Everytime I chased an elusive A/C compressor problem in a Mercedes, it
 turned out to be a bad clutch. I don't spend near as much on A/C parts
 anymore.
 
 __
 Robert Goodwin
 
 Virginia Beach, Virginia
 '87 300SDL
 '95 E300D
 
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Wilton,
 
 I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that
 is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be
 pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

What are they now paying for law school?

RB

On 17/07/2015 10:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The boy attends the University of South Florida's St. Petersburg campus. 
Tuition for a semester runs between $2000-$3000 including books, depending on 
his class load. So call it $7500/year.

Very affordable.

We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at 
the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them 
around $45k/year.

I could never get my head around that.

Dan

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

Its the idiots that go to a big name school spending $40,000 a year for a degree in 
humanities or something else with no market value. Like anything you need to do some 
research, your heart is a terrible guide to these things...
My alma-mater (Fitchburg State University) costs not a ton more now than it did 
when I graduated. I spent about $6,500 a year including room and board. A 
couple years ago I was working with a guy who graduated Emerson about the same 
time I did but he spent around 2x what I did. We had the same basic degree, 
were doing the same job, making the same money but I paid off my student loans 
5 years early...
-Curt
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To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying 
off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money.

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

Depends on the education.
On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful 
is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself 
some experience through an internship or summer job.
-Curt
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And what exactly is the value of an education these days?

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I 
could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of 
personal preference.

The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides 
wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a responsible kid 
for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and 
is very, very appreciative. Most

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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Lister is (or at least was) the gold standard for stationary engines. There are 
many reports of engines that have been in use for years or even decades, 
chugging along pumping water or making power or whatever...
I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head to for 
use at camp. I'd build a little shed for it with a concrete pad and a big 
muffler.
-Curt
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Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, 
Torque
   
Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck rolling 
stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by Deutz engines in 
the latter half of the last century.

Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary 
engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know the 
answer.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Those would be stationary.
 
 The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.    They told me it meant 
 Fahrtzoid  The fahr part is understandable.  I can't interpret the rest of 
 the word.  The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use.  Herr Gabard 
 could probably give a better explanation.
 
 
 
 Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 
 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high 
 $2.50s.
 
 Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy 
 to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister.
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have a local MB buddy who wants it for parts, but when the time comes I'll 
give it a weekend on CL at something like $1000 to see if anyone wants it 
before I sell it to him.

I can sit here and collectively list all the $$ I've spent on it recently, but 
we all know that's water under the bridge and has little bearing on the market 
value.

Dan

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the 
 light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can 
 get a job and buy his own car...
 
 Hear, hear!
 
 Sounds like that car has plenty of life left in it, in the
 beater brigade.  Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_
 will like it.
 
 -- Jim
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The real irony is that they have a younger son who is on the 8 year plan as 
they call it at the local community college.  He valets at the local Embassy 
Suites on the weekends because he Likes to drive fancy cars.

I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the 
stick

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 On July 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school
 at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost
 them around $45k/year.
 
 I could never get my head around that.
 
 That depends, is it worth $60k (housing etc included) a year to have your
 daughter date Harvard students?
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the 
stick


My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) because his 
older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private school and their 
father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out of a public school than 
a private school. (in other words, the smart kid flunked out of college, so why 
expect the hard working kid to do any better?)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
One of my wife's colleagues at MDAnderson in Houston went to college in 
some little nothing place in Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere, worked hard 
to LEARN and did well.  Got into med school and worked HARD to become an 
excellent doc, and worked his butt off as a fellow at MDACC too.  His 
wife was totally supportive of him, they had I think 5 kids right quick 
at a young age, and they made it all work through all that.  He was 
talking about all this one day and reflected that your education is what 
you make of it no matter where you go (or not).


So, there's that...

--R



On 7/17/15 1:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I've known this family very well since our kids were in kindergarten.

Mom and Dad were so focused on the academic achievements of daughter that nothing the son 
did could eclipse big sister. Therefore, I'm convinced he got wise after beating his head 
against the wall and getting nothing for it that he tossed in the towel and just said 
Screw it.

Too bad, as he's a smart kid.  Mom and Dad can't seem to figure out Where they went 
wrong with him.

Mom's Facebook page is like an altar to the achievements of the daughter. No mention of 
sonny. Daughter just received the Lex award for freshmen at U of Houston Law. 
This must be a big deal, as she's been spouting off about it for almost a week on FB.

Dan


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wrote:

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the 
stick

My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) because 
his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private school and their 
father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out of a public school than 
a private school. (in other words, the smart kid flunked out of college, so why 
expect the hard working kid to do any better?)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
#1 grndson called from Paris coupla days ago to say thank you for helping 
him with finances, character guidance, study habits, etc., and that he's 
glad to have gone to UNC-CH and Institute d'Etude Politique de Paris.  'Made 
me feel mighty good to hear it from him without any prompting.  'Reminded, 
him, of  course, Don't forget that others have been involved, too - Mom, 
Dad, other grandparents - be sure to thank them, too.


'Reminds me:  Just before he graduated from high school, he called me with 
some exciting news - he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from 
American U in DC.  I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him 
that it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay.  We were 
pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total 
per year from us.


He and grndaughter have graduated summa cum laude (he at UNC-CH; she at 
NCSU) with no student debt.  She's starting PhD program at U of CO next 
month with full scholarship, stipend, grants, etc.


'Mighty proud of bofum.  ;)

Wilton

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The real irony is that they have a younger son who is on the 8 year plan 
as they call it at the local community college.  He valets at the local 
Embassy Suites on the weekends because he Likes to drive fancy cars.


I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of 
the stick


Dan

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:






On July 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:




We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law 
school
at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown 
cost

them around $45k/year.

I could never get my head around that.


That depends, is it worth $60k (housing etc included) a year to have your
daughter date Harvard students?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Energy Positive House built in Wales for not much $$!

2015-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What parts exactly are you ISO?

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/britains-first-energy-positive-house-opens-in-wales?utm_source=EnergyGuardian_emailutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=13999
 ___


 When are you moving?  Should be nice to live there.  All quite refined,
 you know!
 Socialized medicine at its finest.

 I can use some of your 123 parts, unless they will be going with you. Once
 you get settled in , you can scout the knackers fer pahtz fer us!

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

And avoided the commie indoctrination.  Er, wait, UNC-CH Nevermind...

--R



On 7/17/15 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in 
DC.  I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it 
left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay.  We were 
pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K 
total per year from us. 



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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It is. I misunderstood the question.

It would isolate the compressor as far as I know.

I was thinking go/no go as far as the compressor turning on.

Dan

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:30 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Wilton wrote:
 
 What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on
 the dryer isolate?
 
 Dan wrote:
 
 Nothing.
 
 If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the
 system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low.
 Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect.
 
 Huh?
 
 Isn't the pressure switch in series with the compressor?
 
 With the switch unplugged, the compressor will NOT turn on -
 but all the blowers will run.  I don't know what other
 sub-systems will work or not - like will the aux fan turn
 on.  Unless the KLIMA is involved, on the older systems the
 pressure switch is in series with the compressor clutch.
 Thus unplugging that switch should isolate the compressor but
 let the rest of the system run.
 
 KLIMA and any computer control could make that invalid.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 190Dt radiator

2015-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I bet he doesn't have a title.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:



  On July 16, 2015 at 10:43 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  wrote:
  so, the body is s**t, rust and bondo.Next.

 Here's the next body:
 http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/5116520802.html

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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
DIesel has drooped down to $2.79 at the River Road Valero, a dime cheaper
at the Rockville Gulf.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 You need a wood-fired steam engine

 --R



 On 7/17/15 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 Lister is (or at least was) the gold standard for stationary engines.
 There are many reports of engines that have been in use for years or even
 decades, chugging along pumping water or making power or whatever...
 I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head
 to for use at camp. I'd build a little shed for it with a concrete pad and
 a big muffler.
 -Curt
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 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
   Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:46 PM
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class
 Towing, Torque
 Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck
 rolling stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by
 Deutz engines in the latter half of the last century.

 Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary
 engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know
 the answer.

 Dan

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 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Those would be stationary.

 The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it
 meant Fahrtzoid  The fahr part is understandable.  I can't interpret the
 rest of the word.  The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use.
 Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation.



  Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the
 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high
 $2.50s.

 Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and
 easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is
 Lister.

 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Trying to determine if the compressor clutch is blowing the fuse or is the 
control unit blowing the fuse.
'Don't have clamp-on ammeter - just wanta turn on the system (control unit) 
and not have the compressor come on.


Wilton

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It is. I misunderstood the question.

It would isolate the compressor as far as I know.

I was thinking go/no go as far as the compressor turning on.

Dan

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:30 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:



Wilton wrote:

What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on
the dryer isolate?



Dan wrote:

Nothing.

If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the
system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low.
Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect.


Huh?

Isn't the pressure switch in series with the compressor?

With the switch unplugged, the compressor will NOT turn on -
but all the blowers will run.  I don't know what other
sub-systems will work or not - like will the aux fan turn
on.  Unless the KLIMA is involved, on the older systems the
pressure switch is in series with the compressor clutch.
Thus unplugging that switch should isolate the compressor but
let the rest of the system run.

KLIMA and any computer control could make that invalid.

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Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man

2015-07-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Early 4-matics had problems according to someone on the list.
Daughter has 2006 4-matic, 175K, and no problems.
Gerry

 That is the transmission with the really soft shifts
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 7/17/15 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
  Guess it would help to include the link:
 
  http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html 
  http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html
 
  Dan
 
 
  On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Looking forward to checking out that “Titronic” automatic all wheel drive.
 
  rim shot
 
  Thanks folks, I’ll be here all week.  Be sure to try the veal….
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The Kohler distributor I worked for in the mid 80s was a Lister/Petter 
distributor.

Petter was the throw away engine line, cheap, aluminum block diesel engines 
good for maybe 5,000 - 10,000 hours. Listers were the expensive, last longer 
than your average lifetime engines.

Everybody knows the old arrow boards they used to have on the highways around 
road construction projects, the orange trailers with the big black sign board 
with yellow lights in the shape of an arrow that would blink.

Nearly every one of those was powered by a Petter single cylinder diesel engine 
that drove a Motorola 12VDC belt driven alternator. The alternator charged a 
Group 8D battery which in turn ran the lights.

Petter had a deal where you could turn in a core (complete engine) and they 
would discount the purchase of a new engine heavily. We used to have these sign 
board companies come in at the end of the construction season with literally 
truckloads of Petter AC1 engines to trade in on new ones.

The old engines went back to Petter and were crushed, we were told.

We didn't sell a lot of Listers that I know of, as the equipment manufacturers 
didn't want to invest the cost of an engine into their products. We saw sales 
in agriculture and irrigation, though.

Parts for Listers were nothing short of obscene, but considering that it wasn't 
unusual to get 20,000 hours or more out of an engine, you could justify the 
expense.

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Lister is (or at least was) the gold standard for stationary engines. There 
 are many reports of engines that have been in use for years or even decades, 
 chugging along pumping water or making power or whatever...
 I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head to 
 for use at camp. I'd build a little shed for it with a concrete pad and a big 
 muffler.
 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Right now, I want just the compressor to NOT run - clutch not engage.  I'll 
try it.


Everything, 'cept compressor, control unit and temp. sensor motor ran 
yesterday afternoon, and fuse remained in tact, so, right now, I'm 
suspecting those three - just wanta try to isolate 'em one at a time.


Wilton

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Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse



 Wilton wrote:

 What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on
 the dryer isolate?



Dan wrote:

Nothing.

If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the
system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low.
Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect.


Huh?

Isn't the pressure switch in series with the compressor?

With the switch unplugged, the compressor will NOT turn on -
but all the blowers will run.  I don't know what other
sub-systems will work or not - like will the aux fan turn
on.  Unless the KLIMA is involved, on the older systems the
pressure switch is in series with the compressor clutch.
Thus unplugging that switch should isolate the compressor but
let the rest of the system run.

KLIMA and any computer control could make that invalid.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Energy Positive House built in Wales for not much $$!

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

 100 square metre energy positive house could drop below £100,000 

How much below?  That is 1000/m2 which is $ 1561.35/10.7639ft2 = 
$145/ft2 which is a quite decent price.  I wonder how it would work in a 
warmer climate where AC is needed.  The warm part can be dealt with by 
good solar design and a woodstove, but cooling (probably not 
particularly required in Wales) would be an issue.  Could probably at 
least do a breakeven.


--R

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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/britains-first-energy-positive-house-opens-in-wales?utm_source=EnergyGuardian_emailutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=13999
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Beats me, but I'm sure it's not cheap.

Since its Houston maybe Rich knows?

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 What are they now paying for law school?
 
 RB
 
 On 17/07/2015 10:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 The boy attends the University of South Florida's St. Petersburg campus. 
 Tuition for a semester runs between $2000-$3000 including books, depending 
 on his class load. So call it $7500/year.
 
 Very affordable.
 
 We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school 
 at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost 
 them around $45k/year.
 
 I could never get my head around that.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Its the idiots that go to a big name school spending $40,000 a year for a 
 degree in humanities or something else with no market value. Like anything 
 you need to do some research, your heart is a terrible guide to these 
 things...
 My alma-mater (Fitchburg State University) costs not a ton more now than it 
 did when I graduated. I spent about $6,500 a year including room and board. 
 A couple years ago I was working with a guy who graduated Emerson about the 
 same time I did but he spent around 2x what I did. We had the same basic 
 degree, were doing the same job, making the same money but I paid off my 
 student loans 5 years early...
 -Curt
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 10:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks 
 paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much 
 money.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Depends on the education.
 On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something 
 useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten 
 yourself some experience through an internship or summer job.
 -Curt
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 And what exactly is the value of an education these days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my 
 day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a 
 matter of personal preference.
 
 The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house 
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a 
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, 
 and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Like a close friend who is also our real estate attorney, and very, very good 
at it.

No one has ever once asked me where I got my law degree.

To this day I have no idea where he went to law school. Don't care.

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 One of my wife's colleagues at MDAnderson in Houston went to college in some 
 little nothing place in Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere, worked hard to LEARN 
 and did well.  Got into med school and worked HARD to become an excellent 
 doc, and worked his butt off as a fellow at MDACC too.  His wife was totally 
 supportive of him, they had I think 5 kids right quick at a young age, and 
 they made it all work through all that.  He was talking about all this one 
 day and reflected that your education is what you make of it no matter where 
 you go (or not).
 
 So, there's that...
 
 --R
 

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
It sounds like Dan has a good relationship with his son. That's great and Dan 
should be proud of himself and proud of his son for making that happen. 

According to the police, Dans son hit another car. Since Dans son is in the 
process of becoming a responsible adult, he should have a constant reminder for 
a while of why defensive driving is very necessary.

By chance, having to drive the car that was damaged will probably be a very 
good reminder until Dan finds replacement parts which are certainly available 
somewhere, but might take a while.

Looking at the damaged car sitting in his drive every day is probably going to 
be harder on Dan than on his son since Dan is an admitted perfectionist, but 
this could be an extremely good learning experience for his son.

My suggestion would be for Dan to keep looking for the replacement parts on a 
regular basis, even involving his son in the search if he doesn't have too much 
homework, and let his son drive the damaged car in the meantime.


My wife and I used this approach on our children, and they grew up to be 
responsible and successful adults.

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Curt wrote:
 
 I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a
 generator head to for use at camp.

www.vidhataindia.com/lister.htm


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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Thought so.

How can I isolate only the compressor?

Wilton

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Nothing.

If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on 
*if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would 
have no effect.


I guess a pressure switch could fail grounded, but I've never heard of 
that happening.


Dan

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wrote:


What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer 
isolate?


BTW, 'replaced KLIMA coupla years ago.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse



Wilton,

I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that 
is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may 
be pretty tight in the socket.  A firm grip and gentle working while 
pulling up should free it.  I don't know if a failing push-button unit 
would still blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed.


Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate 
it, but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means 
the KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch.


A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing 
clutch that draws too much current.  I'll have to search for a bit to 
find the normal amperage.  I'd measure that current next if I were you, 
or is the test a resistance test?  Need to start digging...

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Fan turns freely.



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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Absolutely!  What one gets out of an education is directly proportional to 
what one puts into it, and I'm NOT talking 'bout money.


Wilton

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Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies


One of my wife's colleagues at MDAnderson in Houston went to college in 
some little nothing place in Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere, worked hard 
to LEARN and did well.  Got into med school and worked HARD to become an 
excellent doc, and worked his butt off as a fellow at MDACC too.  His wife 
was totally supportive of him, they had I think 5 kids right quick at a 
young age, and they made it all work through all that.  He was talking 
about all this one day and reflected that your education is what you make 
of it no matter where you go (or not).


So, there's that...

--R



On 7/17/15 1:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I've known this family very well since our kids were in kindergarten.

Mom and Dad were so focused on the academic achievements of daughter that 
nothing the son did could eclipse big sister. Therefore, I'm convinced he 
got wise after beating his head against the wall and getting nothing for 
it that he tossed in the towel and just said Screw it.


Too bad, as he's a smart kid.  Mom and Dad can't seem to figure out 
Where they went wrong with him.


Mom's Facebook page is like an altar to the achievements of the daughter. 
No mention of sonny. Daughter just received the Lex award for freshmen 
at U of Houston Law. This must be a big deal, as she's been spouting off 
about it for almost a week on FB.


Dan


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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of 
the stick
My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) 
because his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private 
school and their father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out 
of a public school than a private school. (in other words, the smart kid 
flunked out of college, so why expect the hard working kid to do any 
better?)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
+1

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:59 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Absolutely!  What one gets out of an education is directly proportional to 
 what one puts into it, and I'm NOT talking 'bout money.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 
 One of my wife's colleagues at MDAnderson in Houston went to college in some 
 little nothing place in Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere, worked hard to LEARN 
 and did well.  Got into med school and worked HARD to become an excellent 
 doc, and worked his butt off as a fellow at MDACC too.  His wife was totally 
 supportive of him, they had I think 5 kids right quick at a young age, and 
 they made it all work through all that.  He was talking about all this one 
 day and reflected that your education is what you make of it no matter where 
 you go (or not).
 
 So, there's that...
 
 --R
 
 
 
 On 7/17/15 1:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 I've known this family very well since our kids were in kindergarten.
 
 Mom and Dad were so focused on the academic achievements of daughter that 
 nothing the son did could eclipse big sister. Therefore, I'm convinced he 
 got wise after beating his head against the wall and getting nothing for it 
 that he tossed in the towel and just said Screw it.
 
 Too bad, as he's a smart kid.  Mom and Dad can't seem to figure out Where 
 they went wrong with him.
 
 Mom's Facebook page is like an altar to the achievements of the daughter. 
 No mention of sonny. Daughter just received the Lex award for freshmen at 
 U of Houston Law. This must be a big deal, as she's been spouting off about 
 it for almost a week on FB.
 
 Dan
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
 I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of 
 the stick
 My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) 
 because his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private 
 school and their father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out 
 of a public school than a private school. (in other words, the smart kid 
 flunked out of college, so why expect the hard working kid to do any 
 better?)
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
As you should be.

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 #1 grndson called from Paris coupla days ago to say thank you for helping 
 him with finances, character guidance, study habits, etc., and that he's glad 
 to have gone to UNC-CH and Institute d'Etude Politique de Paris.  'Made me 
 feel mighty good to hear it from him without any prompting.  'Reminded, him, 
 of  course, Don't forget that others have been involved, too - Mom, Dad, 
 other grandparents - be sure to thank them, too.
 
 'Reminds me:  Just before he graduated from high school, he called me with 
 some exciting news - he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from 
 American U in DC.  I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him 
 that it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay.  We were 
 pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total 
 per year from us.
 
 He and grndaughter have graduated summa cum laude (he at UNC-CH; she at NCSU) 
 with no student debt.  She's starting PhD program at U of CO next month with 
 full scholarship, stipend, grants, etc.
 
 'Mighty proud of bofum.  ;)
 
 Wilton
 
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 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 
 The real irony is that they have a younger son who is on the 8 year plan 
 as they call it at the local community college.  He valets at the local 
 Embassy Suites on the weekends because he Likes to drive fancy cars.
 
 I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the 
 stick
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 On July 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law 
 school
 at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost
 them around $45k/year.
 
 I could never get my head around that.
 
 That depends, is it worth $60k (housing etc included) a year to have your
 daughter date Harvard students?
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Very true.

However, gaining something newer, safer, and more economical is a move forward. 
 If resources were limited I would continue on, but that is not the case at 
this time.

Dan

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On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:50 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Dan wrote:
 
 Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more.
 
 That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for
 three years ago.  The numbers just don’t work.
 
 Would you be willing to pay $2000 for another car that had
 those repairs done, and was as well sorted out as what that
 one is?
 
 You buy another car and there will be mysteries.  Most of
 those mysteries you have already found on the car you have.
 
 But whatever.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Depends.

There are two things on taco pressure as far as I recall: The clutch coil and 
the speed pickup (Hall effect sensor, I believe.)

The wires all go through the same connector, I believe, so it would be 
difficult at best to separate them at the compressor. The only thing I can 
think of would be to try and pop the wire for the clutch out of the connector, 
and then apply a separate voltage source to it to measure the current draw.

??

Dan

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 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 'Thought so.
 
 How can I isolate only the compressor?
 
 Wilton
 
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 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
 
 
 Nothing.
 
 If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on 
 *if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have 
 no effect.
 
 I guess a pressure switch could fail grounded, but I've never heard of that 
 happening.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:21 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate?
 
 BTW, 'replaced KLIMA coupla years ago.
 
 Wilton
 
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 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
 
 
 Wilton,
 
 I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that 
 is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be 
 pretty tight in the socket.  A firm grip and gentle working while pulling 
 up should free it.  I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still 
 blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed.
 
 Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, 
 but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the 
 KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch.
 
 A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing 
 clutch that draws too much current.  I'll have to search for a bit to find 
 the normal amperage.  I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is 
 the test a resistance test?  Need to start digging...
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Fan turns freely.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
  Wilton wrote:
  
  What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on
  the dryer isolate?

 Dan wrote:
 
 Nothing.
 
 If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the
 system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low.
 Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect.

Huh?

Isn't the pressure switch in series with the compressor?

With the switch unplugged, the compressor will NOT turn on -
but all the blowers will run.  I don't know what other
sub-systems will work or not - like will the aux fan turn
on.  Unless the KLIMA is involved, on the older systems the
pressure switch is in series with the compressor clutch.
Thus unplugging that switch should isolate the compressor but
let the rest of the system run.

KLIMA and any computer control could make that invalid.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 G wrote:
 
 A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth
 only the paper it is written on barely.

And work ethic is not learned in school.  Those who succeed
will succeed - with or without a degree.

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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

You need a wood-fired steam engine

--R



On 7/17/15 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Lister is (or at least was) the gold standard for stationary engines. There are 
many reports of engines that have been in use for years or even decades, 
chugging along pumping water or making power or whatever...
I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head to for 
use at camp. I'd build a little shed for it with a concrete pad and a big 
muffler.
-Curt
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, 
Torque

Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck rolling stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by Deutz engines in the latter half of the last century.


Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary 
engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know the 
answer.

Dan

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wrote:


Those would be stationary.

The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it meant Fahrtzoid  
The fahr part is understandable.  I can't interpret the rest of the word.  The 
meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use.  Herr Gabard could probably 
give a better explanation.




Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 
2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high 
$2.50s.

Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to 
work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 17/07/2015 1:45 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

G wrote:

A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth
only the paper it is written on barely.

And work ethic is not learned in school.  Those who succeed
will succeed - with or without a degree.

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BUT it is becoming much more difficult to get one's foot in the 
proverbial door without the appropriate papers.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Well, I HAVE been very upset by UNC-CH's denial of any problem during the 
on-going probe of scam classes in the Afro-Am Studies Department - paper 
classes set up mainly to keep athletes eligible.  During last 20 years, 
or so, 3000+ students took classes and got HIGH grades for doing NOTHING 
other than getting on the list.  'Damned upsetting and embarrassing.


Wilton

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And avoided the commie indoctrination.  Er, wait, UNC-CH Nevermind...

--R



On 7/17/15 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in DC.  I 
was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it left 
only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay.  We were pleased 
when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total per 
year from us.



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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Did you read the report?  My SIL had some mention in there, making a 
fairly emphatic comment about something.  Her friend Mary W wrote the 
book, which caused some period of estrangement, but I think they have 
kissed and made up over the whole thing once she got fully briefed on 
all the shenanigans.


--R



On 7/17/15 3:30 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Well, I HAVE been very upset by UNC-CH's denial of any problem during 
the on-going probe of scam classes in the Afro-Am Studies Department 
- paper classes set up mainly to keep athletes eligible.  During 
last 20 years, or so, 3000+ students took classes and got HIGH 
grades for doing NOTHING other than getting on the list.  'Damned 
upsetting and embarrassing.


Wilton

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies



And avoided the commie indoctrination. Er, wait, UNC-CH Nevermind...

--R



On 7/17/15 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in 
DC.  I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that 
it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay.  We 
were pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at 
~ $15K total per year from us.



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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Back in the '80s a trucking neighbor said a truckline tried Deutz air cooled 
diesels in big road tractors. They had trouble maintaining proper working 
temperature in the winter and the mpg was not very good. He thought they just 
stuck a diesel intended for farm use in the trucks since there was still a 
chopper in the intake that cut up grass, etc. into smaller pieces.
Gerry 

Curly McLain wrote:
 Those would be stationary.
 The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it 
 meant Fahrtzoid  The fahr part is understandable.  I can't interpret 
 the rest of the word.  The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular 
 use.  Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation.
 
 
 
 Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in 
 the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices 
 in the high $2.50s.
 
 Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, 
 and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to 
 them is Lister.
 
 Dan
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread clay via Mercedes
There is also the lack of common sense or investment made by the scholars in 
gobbling up loans instead of working their way to a degree.  If you are busting 
your hump to cover tuition and expenses, you tend to be a more pragmatic 
consumer.  Dear #1 boy and his parents found that out to the tune of $30k when 
he bombed out of tech U.  Too much fun and games, not enough study, and the 
folks footing the bill.

He took off for the ND oil fields last week in the W140 so he could gather 
enough cash to pay for school his own self.  Two years of screwing around with 
a service job and community college course work, one class at a time was not 
working out and he had not really set his heart to either task.  Now he will be 
really invested in whichever degree he takes up.

SWMBA got her degrees with minimal loans, as we worked our butts off to pay for 
the bulk of law school.  We were able to keep heads above water enough to 
purchase homes and other lux items that most of the wet behind the ears 
college bunch no longer can.  Cash for cars, financed the korean car new, and 
#1 home is four year away from paid off.  #2 home has a 15 year to go.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

 The problem it seems these days is people seem to think once they have a 
 degree the world should be handed to them. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:03 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 A college degree imparts nothing if the owner of the degree parks his butt
 on the degree and waits for magic to come to him because he has it..
 
 It seems that may be the case with many who hold student loans for their
 degree in liberal underwater basket weaving, or social victimology
 [snark full on].
 
 Life is hard, life is harder if you don't get off your butt and apply what
 talents you have, to use what tools you have.
 
 A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth only the paper it
 is written on barely.
 
 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks
 paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much
 money.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Depends on the education.
 On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something
 useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten
 yourself some experience through an internship or summer job.
 -Curt
From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 And what exactly is the value of an education these days?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in
 my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a
 matter of personal preference.
 
 The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house
 provides wheels and covers expenses.  He's a damned good student and a
 responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk,
 and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college
 buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the
 road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to
 have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily
 basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure.
 
 As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get
 where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I
 can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and
 appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so.
 
 Dan
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace
 the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it
 he can get a job and buy his own car...
 -Curt
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 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com
 Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
 
 I looked there as well. They h
 
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
I've read many of the reports, including Weinstein's; 'been following it for 
a few years now.  Like I said - damned upsetting.


Mary W., the tutor?  They haven't done her right, yet.  They need to 
apologize for their treatment of her and reinstate her.


Wilton


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Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies


Did you read the report?  My SIL had some mention in there, making a 
fairly emphatic comment about something.  Her friend Mary W wrote the 
book, which caused some period of estrangement, but I think they have 
kissed and made up over the whole thing once she got fully briefed on all 
the shenanigans.


--R



On 7/17/15 3:30 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Well, I HAVE been very upset by UNC-CH's denial of any problem during the 
on-going probe of scam classes in the Afro-Am Studies Department - 
paper classes set up mainly to keep athletes eligible.  During last 
20 years, or so, 3000+ students took classes and got HIGH grades for 
doing NOTHING other than getting on the list.  'Damned upsetting and 
embarrassing.


Wilton

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies



And avoided the commie indoctrination. Er, wait, UNC-CH Nevermind...

--R



On 7/17/15 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in DC. 
I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it left 
only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay.  We were pleased 
when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total 
per year from us.



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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Use the economy mode on the climate control.  Works just like it  
does in normal mode.


Or you can unplug the connection for the clutch at the compressor.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Power Brake Booster 123

2015-07-17 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 Bob wrote:
 
 My power booster gave out  on my 1983 240D on my way to our
 shore  house last week; about 30 miles from Ocean City ,NJ.
 I was on back roads fortunately but NOT a fun ride with
 hardly any brakes  autotrans not  shifting right due to
 loss of vacuum.

Why didn't you stop and plug the line to the booster to let
the transmission have vacuum.

 So hopefully my power booster is
 good

Can the booster be tested to see if it will hold vacuum
without the master cylinder?  If so, you could test it with a
mighty-vac, a powered vacuum pump, or even tapped into the
vacuum on a running engine.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Curly McLain wrote:

 College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of 
 folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make 
 that much money.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
I've been subscribed to Imprimis, their monthly bulletin, for years.
Unfortunately, Hillsdale; like many small colleges; is expensive: around 
$70,000 per year which covers room, board, and everything.
Of course, once a young person has a degree, they probably have a broader 
choice of high paying jobs than Ivy Leaguers since a large number of very 
wealthy industrialists and business people support the school and make sure 
grads have lots of choices.
Gerry
...
 You are right.  you pay to be brainwashed and become a good little 
 liberal/socialist/marxist borg.  then you you follow the collective, 
 you stay an indentured servant for life.
 
 OR:  You can send them to hillsdale college.  They allow thinking and 
 teach the constitution there.  Very sub versiv e!  Counter culture!
 In my day, there was still some open discussion and free thought allowed.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Win 10 owns your computer

2015-07-17 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
 archer75--- wrote:
 
 Windows 10: You'll get UPDATES LIKE IT or NOT – unless you
 have Enterprise Edition 'You agree to receive automatic
 updates without notice'

 That does it. I'm looking for another OS.

Put it behind a firewall, then block access to all MS hosts. *evil grin*

Never the less, I agree.  I think I should _own_ my system,
not use in on loan from Microsoft.

I'm still able to use XP for all the things that require
MSWin, but I think I see the day approaching where I'll have
to upgrade.  Win7, I guess...

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Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes


One other interesting exchange was with a young guy from West Texas 
who had come to the meeting to see for himself what Soros was about. 
He stated this in his question, then asked why Soros was opposed to 
guns when he had seen what happened to people in the war who could 
not defend themselves, and who had been subjugated by the Nazis. 
Soros started some song and dance about well I'm not really opposed 
blah blah and the kid just would not let him worm out of it.  The 
kid sounded like a total West Texas goober but he was quite smart 
and very tenacious.  At some point he referenced the gun he had in 
his pocket and I thought a lot of the audience was going to soil 
their pants right then and there.  This goes back and forth for a 
few minutes,  the kid had Soros all tied up and basically told him 
in a very firm and polite way that he was evil and a hypocrite, and 
the audience was going crazy, a lot of the old hippies yelling at 
the kid who threw it right back at them.  it was on the verge of 
getting way out of control and the moderator finally shut everyone 
up, Soros made a few smartass comments that got the base cheering, 
but the old hippies were still mouthing off about the gun-totin kid 
who cleaned Soros mighty well.


Soros is a truly evil person.

--R


Is there video or audio of that exchange?  It sounds delightful.  Youboob.com?

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Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck 
rolling stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered 
by Deutz engines in the latter half of the last century.


Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as 
stationary engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the 
Brits would know the answer.


Dan


yes,  Deutz F series engine can run a truck in the sahara for years 
and never have a radiator boil over and won't blow a radiator hose. 
You just need to keep the blower clean and open the airbox regularly 
to check for dirt buildup etc. and make sure the fan stays running.


What were the Diesel engines used by the krauts in tanks in WWII? 
I've wondered if the deutz may have been used there.


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Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
How did we get from Trump to Soros??  Trump's story is way more interesting
since he is running fo office..

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 One other interesting exchange was with a young guy from West Texas who
 had come to the meeting to see for himself what Soros was about. He stated
 this in his question, then asked why Soros was opposed to guns when he had
 seen what happened to people in the war who could not defend themselves,
 and who had been subjugated by the Nazis. Soros started some song and dance
 about well I'm not really opposed blah blah and the kid just would not let
 him worm out of it.  The kid sounded like a total West Texas goober but he
 was quite smart and very tenacious.  At some point he referenced the gun he
 had in his pocket and I thought a lot of the audience was going to soil
 their pants right then and there.  This goes back and forth for a few
 minutes,  the kid had Soros all tied up and basically told him in a very
 firm and polite way that he was evil and a hypocrite, and the audience was
 going crazy, a lot of the old hippies yelling at the kid who threw it right
 back at them.  it was on the verge of getting way out of control and the
 moderator finally shut everyone up, Soros made a few smartass comments that
 got the base cheering, but the old hippies were still mouthing off about
 the gun-totin kid who cleaned Soros mighty well.

 Soros is a truly evil person.

 --R


 Is there video or audio of that exchange?  It sounds delightful.
 Youboob.com?

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 17, 2015 at 9:00 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 The boy has said he will drive his car for the duration until we can find
 another W140 rather than going up to a W210.  He even agrees that an S320
 would be ideal due to mileage and fuel consumption.  While I don’t think it
 will be that much better than the M119 based on what I’ve heard from S320
 owners, it’s an improvement for sure.

Does he need a roomy back seat?
A lot of the S320s are SWB.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Andrew...

Being in the protected and isolated beltway of DC you likely don't realize
that Soros and other like him are the real reason Trump has leaped to the
leadership position in two weeks after filing to run for President.

Trump stands up, speaks up, and won't shut up, because he is not
intimidated by anyone. The rest of America west of the Potomac River are
truly and well pissed at the District of Corruption, Soros, and the evil
they represent.

So, Yes, a little bio discourse on Soros ... and others.. is actually about
Trump... who in plain words, without doing the PC Dance says what
Americans have been saying for the past 30 yrs..

I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this any more just about sums it
up for most Americans, about now.



On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 How did we get from Trump to Soros??  Trump's story is way more interesting
 since he is running fo office..

 On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 
  One other interesting exchange was with a young guy from West Texas who
  had come to the meeting to see for himself what Soros was about. He
 stated
  this in his question, then asked why Soros was opposed to guns when he
 had
  seen what happened to people in the war who could not defend themselves,
  and who had been subjugated by the Nazis. Soros started some song and
 dance
  about well I'm not really opposed blah blah and the kid just would not
 let
  him worm out of it.  The kid sounded like a total West Texas goober but
 he
  was quite smart and very tenacious.  At some point he referenced the
 gun he
  had in his pocket and I thought a lot of the audience was going to soil
  their pants right then and there.  This goes back and forth for a few
  minutes,  the kid had Soros all tied up and basically told him in a very
  firm and polite way that he was evil and a hypocrite, and the audience
 was
  going crazy, a lot of the old hippies yelling at the kid who threw it
 right
  back at them.  it was on the verge of getting way out of control and the
  moderator finally shut everyone up, Soros made a few smartass comments
 that
  got the base cheering, but the old hippies were still mouthing off about
  the gun-totin kid who cleaned Soros mighty well.
 
  Soros is a truly evil person.
 
  --R
 
 
  Is there video or audio of that exchange?  It sounds delightful.
  Youboob.com?
 
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Re: [MBZ] 190Dt radiator

2015-07-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 
 
  On July 16, 2015 at 10:43 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
  so, the body is s**t, rust and bondo.Next. 
 
 Here's the next body:
 http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/5116520802.html

Scam.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Power Brake Booster 123

2015-07-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
If you order a part from a dealer and need it in a hurry, tell them to “VOR” 
it.  It costs them nothing extra, and as long as you order it before the cutoff 
time for the day, no matter what depot it’s in in North america you’ll have it 
the next morning.

They even VOR stuff from Germany, but that adds a day.

Dan


 On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:28 PM, Bob via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 My power booster gave out  on my 1983 240D on my way to our shore  house 
 last week; about 30 miles from Ocean City ,NJ. I was on back roads  
 fortunately but NOT a fun ride with hardly any brakes  autotrans not  
 shifting right 
 due to loss of vacuum. While driving I push doorlock buttons they  worked so 
 I knew it wasn't the vacuum pump. I had a power booster  replaced on 
 another 240d  so I knew what it was.
  Fortunately I had PNP one 15 years ago from a car that had 79k on it  at 
 home . Had a friend bring it down to me and I put it in .  I needed   
 ordered the O-ring between the master cylinder   the power booster. Had to 
 come 
 home to attend to family gathering pick up  O-ring.
 
 I had to order from home [Keenan in Doylestown,Pa]-They got it for me in  
 less than 2 days.The dealer at Atlantic City had to get the O-ring from  
 California - take 5 days.  What's that about ??
  Anyway I'm heading back down Tues next week to slap on the master  
 cylinder  bleed the brakes by myself with my homemade pressure bleeder. So  
 hopefully my power booster is goodI'm contacting Potomac just in  
 case...Any of you listers out there  in MB-land have one laying  
 around/available  ??
 
 I CHECKED THE FUSES  !!!.not   !!
 
 Bob
 1983  240D - 217K
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies

2015-07-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of 
folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make 
that much money.


Sent from my iPhone



You are right.  you pay to be brainwashed and become a good little 
liberal/socialist/marxist borg.  then you you follow the collective, 
you stay an indentured servant for life.


OR:  You can send them to hillsdale college.  They allow thinking and 
teach the constitution there.  Very sub versiv e!  Counter culture!

In my day, there was still some open discussion and free thought allowed.

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Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse

2015-07-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

This is for the Japanee compressor?  I assume not for the GM in the 123s?




Here's the troubleshooting info for the clutch coil, either read ohms or
amps depending on your test equipment.  This was copied from the MBCA
forums before they effectively killed it.  I met Bob Goodwin a few times,
retired Navy and a great guy.

There is one thing that I don't believe is covered as well as it should be
and that is the clutch coil. Yes, the clutch coil. Famous for burning out,
shorting out or just frying a few windings. Not enough to blow the fuse but
plenty to disrupt the speed comparator and shut off the compressor
permanently or intermittently.


Of all the troubleshooting steps, checking the compressor clutch coil is
cheap and relatively easy. Measure current with a clamp on amp meter.
Reading should be 3.75 A hot or 4.2 A cold. Resistance should be approx 3.5
ohms hot or 3.1 ohms cold.

Everytime I chased an elusive A/C compressor problem in a Mercedes, it
turned out to be a bad clutch. I don't spend near as much on A/C parts
anymore.

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Virginia Beach, Virginia
'87 300SDL
'95 E300D



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Re: [MBZ] Win 10 owns your computer

2015-07-17 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

  archer75--- wrote:


 Windows 10: You'll get UPDATES LIKE IT or NOT - unless you
 have Enterprise Edition 'You agree to receive automatic
 updates without notice'



 That does it. I'm looking for another OS.


Put it behind a firewall, then block access to all MS hosts. *evil grin*

Never the less, I agree.  I think I should _own_ my system,
not use in on loan from Microsoft.

I'm still able to use XP for all the things that require
MSWin, but I think I see the day approaching where I'll have
to upgrade.  Win7, I guess...


I am gonna be ordering my life so that if it won't run on XP, Mac or 
'nix, it don't exist.


I need very little from the evil empire any more.

(MCSE Certified, Former MCT)

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