Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Those would be stationary. The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it meant Fahrtzoid The fahr part is understandable. I can't interpret the rest of the word. The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use. Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation. Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Yep, a headlight assembly and buff it out. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around $1000 not including shipping. Fenders were around $300. So that’s $1300 right there without shipping. Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m thinking might be around $500. Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too. That’s maybe another $200. Thanks for the suggestion, however. It was worth a shot. I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. He’s driving about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k. Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the nearest junk yards? Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239 car-part.com is your friend ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Curt sez: Sadly both Trump and Walker are nuts and exceptionally good at making bad decisions. Trump takes chances and regularly goes bankrupt, can't do that with a country... Uh... this country has been bankrupt many times and is now. It has probably spent more time insolvent than solvent. Trump also knows how to recover quickly from bankruptcy and come out better and stronger. Not someone I'd want to sit and talk with , but you can't deny his financial success I can;t think of anyone else in the country that has his clout. I don't think sor os lives in the usa, but his clout is used for shear evil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around $1000 not including shipping. Fenders were around $300. So that’s $1300 right there without shipping. Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m thinking might be around $500. Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too. That’s maybe another $200. Thanks for the suggestion, however. It was worth a shot. I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. He’s driving about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k. Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the nearest junk yards? Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239 car-part.com is your friend ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They h ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man
4Matic isn't a necessity here, but I'm wondering if it would be a liability? Any issues with 4Matic on these? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 17, 2015 at 5:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Guess it would help to include the link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html 2002 is the last/best year for the W210. S210 was made in small quantity for 2003 model year. The facelifted 2000-2003 models are all about the same though. If you want to talk safety, BAC became standard in 98 or 99, ESP in 2000. Chassis is lowered an inch or more from the 1996-1999 cars, so that is a small advantage to my 1999 in Michigan winters rough roads and a small advantage to the newer 210s on clear pavement. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Goobermnt motors must be confident that they have effectively killed off the Diesel engine for Fahrtzoid use. (as in the Deutz F series of engines: F912 and F913.) Price of Dissel is 2.49 and benzin is 2.68. Its been way too long since the world was the right side up. Now if we can move the country toward getting right side up Trump and Walker certainly have the guts to say and do what they believe in. That is a refreshing change from the marxist or socialist choices of the recent past. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around $1000 not including shipping. Fenders were around $300. So that’s $1300 right there without shipping. Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m thinking might be around $500. Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too. That’s maybe another $200. Thanks for the suggestion, however. It was worth a shot. I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. He’s driving about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k. Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the nearest junk yards? Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239 car-part.com is your friend ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man
That is the transmission with the really soft shifts --R On 7/17/15 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Guess it would help to include the link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looking forward to checking out that “Titronic” automatic all wheel drive. rim shot Thanks folks, I’ll be here all week. Be sure to try the veal…. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
The government owes you! You are entitled! Get your FS now! Did the first generation immigrant sneak across or follow the rules (i.e., was s/he stupid?) --R On 7/17/15 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1981 Mercedes 380 SL Diesel
Randy, get with the times! You can't say tranny anymore, that word is hate speech. --R On 7/16/15 6:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: clutch is not hooked up because it has an auto tranny in it now he says it had a manual tranny at one time in the past RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man
No they are very reliable Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 4Matic isn't a necessity here, but I'm wondering if it would be a liability? Any issues with 4Matic on these? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 17, 2015 at 5:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Guess it would help to include the link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html 2002 is the last/best year for the W210. S210 was made in small quantity for 2003 model year. The facelifted 2000-2003 models are all about the same though. If you want to talk safety, BAC became standard in 98 or 99, ESP in 2000. Chassis is lowered an inch or more from the 1996-1999 cars, so that is a small advantage to my 1999 in Michigan winters rough roads and a small advantage to the newer 210s on clear pavement. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around $1000 not including shipping. Fenders were around $300. So that’s $1300 right there without shipping. Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m thinking might be around $500. Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too. That’s maybe another $200. Thanks for the suggestion, however. It was worth a shot. I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. He’s driving about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k. Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the nearest junk yards? Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239 car-part.com is your friend ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:36 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Goobermnt motors must be confident that they have effectively killed off the Diesel engine for Fahrtzoid use. (as in the Deutz F series of engines: F912 and F913.) Price of Dissel is 2.49 and benzin is 2.68. Its been way too long since the world was the right side up. Now if we can move the country toward getting right side up Trump and Walker certainly have the guts to say and do what they believe in. That is a refreshing change from the marxist or socialist choices of the recent past. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man
That one looks decent. I think 27mpg might be optimistic in a 4matic though but maybe possible. It appears to be well optioned though but not really sure you need 4matic and heated seats in Florida Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 4:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Guess it would help to include the link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looking forward to checking out that “Titronic” automatic all wheel drive. rim shot Thanks folks, I’ll be here all week. Be sure to try the veal…. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
I paid $2.95 today because I was running late and I knew this particular station would be the fastest to get in and out of. The cheapest option was $2.79, fortunately the Jetta only needs 12 gallons nearly totally empty. Also fortunately this station has the best quality fuel which gives the best mileage, not enough to make up for the price differential but a couple extra MPGs are always nice, this should be a 55mpg tank. -Curt From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque What is a BA, Dan? Paid 2.69 last night while driving home from Charlotte, my favorite local station is 2.65. Gas Buddy says I can pay 2.53 at a station down in ChuckTown. I think unleaded is around 2.40? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 9:00:53 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around $1000 not including shipping. Fenders were around $300. So that’s $1300 right there without shipping. Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m thinking might be around $500. Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too. That’s maybe another $200. Thanks for the suggestion, however. It was worth a shot. I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. He’s driving about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k. Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the nearest junk yards? Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239 car-part.com is your friend ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Sadly both Trump and Walker are nuts and exceptionally good at making bad decisions. Trump takes chances and regularly goes bankrupt, can't do that with a country... Walker tells people one thing, then does another, ie he sets up labor deals and then breaks them so his corporate buddies can get big kickbacks rather than paying taxes... As usual the turdburger and crap sandwich. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque Goobermnt motors must be confident that they have effectively killed off the Diesel engine for Fahrtzoid use. (as in the Deutz F series of engines: F912 and F913.) Price of Dissel is 2.49 and benzin is 2.68. Its been way too long since the world was the right side up. Now if we can move the country toward getting right side up Trump and Walker certainly have the guts to say and do what they believe in. That is a refreshing change from the marxist or socialist choices of the recent past. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
What is a BA, Dan? Paid 2.69 last night while driving home from Charlotte, my favorite local station is 2.65. Gas Buddy says I can pay 2.53 at a station down in ChuckTown. I think unleaded is around 2.40? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 9:00:53 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around $1000 not including shipping. Fenders were around $300. So that’s $1300 right there without shipping. Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m thinking might be around $500. Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too. That’s maybe another $200. Thanks for the suggestion, however. It was worth a shot. I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. He’s driving about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k. Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the nearest junk yards? Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239 car-part.com is your friend ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Badass. Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What is a BA, Dan? Paid 2.69 last night while driving home from Charlotte, my favorite local station is 2.65. Gas Buddy says I can pay 2.53 at a station down in ChuckTown. I think unleaded is around 2.40? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 9:00:53 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... Hear, hear! Sounds like that car has plenty of life left in it, in the beater brigade. Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_ will like it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Its the idiots that go to a big name school spending $40,000 a year for a degree in humanities or something else with no market value. Like anything you need to do some research, your heart is a terrible guide to these things... My alma-mater (Fitchburg State University) costs not a ton more now than it did when I graduated. I spent about $6,500 a year including room and board. A couple years ago I was working with a guy who graduated Emerson about the same time I did but he spent around 2x what I did. We had the same basic degree, were doing the same job, making the same money but I paid off my student loans 5 years early... -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They h ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Poos should buy the boy 20 acres or so out in the weeds and let the boy start a Mercedes parts bidness, buying up clapped out POSs for $500 and stacking them on the property for later disposition. --R On 7/17/15 10:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
A college degree imparts nothing if the owner of the degree parks his butt on the degree and waits for magic to come to him because he has it.. It seems that may be the case with many who hold student loans for their degree in liberal underwater basket weaving, or social victimology [snark full on]. Life is hard, life is harder if you don't get off your butt and apply what talents you have, to use what tools you have. A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth only the paper it is written on barely. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They h ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Yes Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Poos should buy the boy 20 acres or so out in the weeds and let the boy start a Mercedes parts bidness, buying up clapped out POSs for $500 and stacking them on the property for later disposition. --R On 7/17/15 10:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
The problem it seems these days is people seem to think once they have a degree the world should be handed to them. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:03 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A college degree imparts nothing if the owner of the degree parks his butt on the degree and waits for magic to come to him because he has it.. It seems that may be the case with many who hold student loans for their degree in liberal underwater basket weaving, or social victimology [snark full on]. Life is hard, life is harder if you don't get off your butt and apply what talents you have, to use what tools you have. A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth only the paper it is written on barely. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They h ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Soros has a big house in the Hamptons, next door to a friend of a friend, also next door to Roger Waters's house there. My friend has attended gatherings at which Soros has been, and he always appears with one of his young nieces. My buddy and I went to an event in Houston where Soros spoke (sponsored by The Progressive Forum) as my buddy wanted me to get some first-hand exposure to the guy. It was a fascinating evening hearing him speak in sort of a QA format (questions by the moderator then by some audience members). [BTW way I have met the friend of the friend, who is Czech, and whose family endured the hardships of the Nazis and the commies, and who managed to come to the US, get educated, and make a LOT of money -- he is a very nice guy, very smart, and quite savvy about people. He consorts with Soros occasionally to see what he is about, and also to keep tabs on what he is up to in his various political and business efforts) Soros is completely amoral, which became abundantly apparent from his answers to questions. One audience member asked him how he came to be like that (might not have actually asked him why we was amoral, but that was the gist of the question) and he related a story: His father had been captured by the Russians during WW2 and sent to Siberian prison camp. He managed to escape and over a period of a few months and returned to Budapest (I think it was) where he and George, themselves Jews, started ratting out Jews to the Nazis in exchange for money and whatever. George said he asked his father what he did to make it back, and the father replied, Whatever it took and that was the lesson George used in his own life. So, not only was he complicit in the murders of many Jews by the Nazis during the war, he continued/s his amoral practices in his business dealings and in his various progressive endeavors. Soros made on apologies for any of this, in fact seemed somewhat proud of it as he did whatever it took. One other interesting exchange was with a young guy from West Texas who had come to the meeting to see for himself what Soros was about. He stated this in his question, then asked why Soros was opposed to guns when he had seen what happened to people in the war who could not defend themselves, and who had been subjugated by the Nazis. Soros started some song and dance about well I'm not really opposed blah blah and the kid just would not let him worm out of it. The kid sounded like a total West Texas goober but he was quite smart and very tenacious. At some point he referenced the gun he had in his pocket and I thought a lot of the audience was going to soil their pants right then and there. This goes back and forth for a few minutes, the kid had Soros all tied up and basically told him in a very firm and polite way that he was evil and a hypocrite, and the audience was going crazy, a lot of the old hippies yelling at the kid who threw it right back at them. it was on the verge of getting way out of control and the moderator finally shut everyone up, Soros made a few smartass comments that got the base cheering, but the old hippies were still mouthing off about the gun-totin kid who cleaned Soros mighty well. Soros is a truly evil person. --R On 7/17/15 10:35 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Curt sez: Sadly both Trump and Walker are nuts and exceptionally good at making bad decisions. Trump takes chances and regularly goes bankrupt, can't do that with a country... Uh... this country has been bankrupt many times and is now. It has probably spent more time insolvent than solvent. Trump also knows how to recover quickly from bankruptcy and come out better and stronger. Not someone I'd want to sit and talk with , but you can't deny his financial success I can;t think of anyone else in the country that has his clout. I don't think sor os lives in the usa, but his clout is used for shear evil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
Fan turns freely. SWMBO took car out late yesterday with A/C OFF; everything else as usual. Returned with fuse intact. What is best way to isolate compressor from the system with controls calling for cooling as usual? Unplug wire on pressure switch at dryer? What is the likelihood of a glitche in the control unit causing the fuse to blow? Same for temp. sensor motor? Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse I'd check the engine fan to be sure it turns freely. I think it is one of the highest energy consumers in that list I removed the fuse placard and carefully cleaned away the soot and scorching as best I can. I have deciphered the fuse #7 list to read: backup lamp, heating water valve, water pump, engine fan, heating system for washer jets, climate control system, relay aux fan term. 86, auto. trans. electrics, blower motor inside temp. sensor, air cond. compressor. (I filled in several obscured words with imagination and/or what I vaguely remember. Can somebody please verify it for me?) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse #7 fuse has blown couple more times. The placard inside the fuse box cover is scorched, obscuring the list of systems in addition to compressor on that fuse, and I can't open the pdf file showing such as I have many times before. Can somebody, please, send me a photo of the placard or the appropriate pdf showing those items on fuse #7 for '87 300D? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] Blown fuse SWMBO came in from short trip in the '87 300D, leaned over back of chair in cool living room where I was napping and announced, Blown fuse in the car. I was driving along with air conditioning blasting away nicely, and it just quit. Don't ya think it's a blown fuse? I replied, Yep; sure hope that's all it is. 'Hobbled out to car thinking 30 amp blower fuse had blown. Loosened the two mounting screws thinking the fuse would fall apart as I removed it, but it did not. Checked fuses in fuse box; 'found #7 (for compressor and coupla other things) blown. Because of my shaky hands, called SWMBO to help me put blower fuse back in place and RR #7. A/C blowing ice cold again. BTW, I did NOT change ALL the fuses. ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
The boy attends the University of South Florida's St. Petersburg campus. Tuition for a semester runs between $2000-$3000 including books, depending on his class load. So call it $7500/year. Very affordable. We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them around $45k/year. I could never get my head around that. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Its the idiots that go to a big name school spending $40,000 a year for a degree in humanities or something else with no market value. Like anything you need to do some research, your heart is a terrible guide to these things... My alma-mater (Fitchburg State University) costs not a ton more now than it did when I graduated. I spent about $6,500 a year including room and board. A couple years ago I was working with a guy who graduated Emerson about the same time I did but he spent around 2x what I did. We had the same basic degree, were doing the same job, making the same money but I paid off my student loans 5 years early... -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
Wilton, I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up should free it. I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed. Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch. A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing clutch that draws too much current. I'll have to search for a bit to find the normal amperage. I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the test a resistance test? Need to start digging... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Fan turns freely. SWMBO took car out late yesterday with A/C OFF; everything else as usual. Returned with fuse intact. What is best way to isolate compressor from the system with controls calling for cooling as usual? Unplug wire on pressure switch at dryer? What is the likelihood of a glitche in the control unit causing the fuse to blow? Same for temp. sensor motor? Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse I'd check the engine fan to be sure it turns freely. I think it is one of the highest energy consumers in that list I removed the fuse placard and carefully cleaned away the soot and scorching as best I can. I have deciphered the fuse #7 list to read: backup lamp, heating water valve, water pump, engine fan, heating system for washer jets, climate control system, relay aux fan term. 86, auto. trans. electrics, blower motor inside temp. sensor, air cond. compressor. (I filled in several obscured words with imagination and/or what I vaguely remember. Can somebody please verify it for me?) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse #7 fuse has blown couple more times. The placard inside the fuse box cover is scorched, obscuring the list of systems in addition to compressor on that fuse, and I can't open the pdf file showing such as I have many times before. Can somebody, please, send me a photo of the placard or the appropriate pdf showing those items on fuse #7 for '87 300D? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] Blown fuse SWMBO came in from short trip in the '87 300D, leaned over back of chair in cool living room where I was napping and announced, Blown fuse in the car. I was driving along with air conditioning blasting away nicely, and it just quit. Don't ya think it's a blown fuse? I replied, Yep; sure hope that's all it is. 'Hobbled out to car thinking 30 amp blower fuse had blown. Loosened the two mounting screws thinking the fuse would fall apart as I removed it, but it did not. Checked fuses in fuse box; 'found #7 (for compressor and coupla other things) blown. Because of my shaky hands, called SWMBO to help me put blower fuse back in place and RR #7. A/C blowing ice cold again. BTW, I did NOT change ALL the fuses. ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
Here's the troubleshooting info for the clutch coil, either read ohms or amps depending on your test equipment. This was copied from the MBCA forums before they effectively killed it. I met Bob Goodwin a few times, retired Navy and a great guy. There is one thing that I don't believe is covered as well as it should be and that is the clutch coil. Yes, the clutch coil. Famous for burning out, shorting out or just frying a few windings. Not enough to blow the fuse but plenty to disrupt the speed comparator and shut off the compressor permanently or intermittently. Of all the troubleshooting steps, checking the compressor clutch coil is cheap and relatively easy. Measure current with a clamp on amp meter. Reading should be 3.75 A hot or 4.2 A cold. Resistance should be approx 3.5 ohms hot or 3.1 ohms cold. Everytime I chased an elusive A/C compressor problem in a Mercedes, it turned out to be a bad clutch. I don't spend near as much on A/C parts anymore. __ Robert Goodwin Virginia Beach, Virginia '87 300SDL '95 E300D - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Wilton, I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up should free it. I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed. Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch. A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing clutch that draws too much current. I'll have to search for a bit to find the normal amperage. I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the test a resistance test? Need to start digging... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Fan turns freely. SWMBO took car out late yesterday with A/C OFF; everything else as usual. Returned with fuse intact. What is best way to isolate compressor from the system with controls calling for cooling as usual? Unplug wire on pressure switch at dryer? What is the likelihood of a glitche in the control unit causing the fuse to blow? Same for temp. sensor motor? Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse I'd check the engine fan to be sure it turns freely. I think it is one of the highest energy consumers in that list I removed the fuse placard and carefully cleaned away the soot and scorching as best I can. I have deciphered the fuse #7 list to read: backup lamp, heating water valve, water pump, engine fan, heating system for washer jets, climate control system, relay aux fan term. 86, auto. trans. electrics, blower motor inside temp. sensor, air cond. compressor. (I filled in several obscured words with imagination and/or what I vaguely remember. Can somebody please verify it for me?) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse #7 fuse has blown couple more times. The placard inside the fuse box cover is scorched, obscuring the list of systems in addition to compressor on that fuse, and I can't open the pdf file showing such as I have many times before. Can somebody, please, send me a photo of the placard or the appropriate pdf showing those items on fuse #7 for '87 300D? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] Blown fuse SWMBO came in from short trip in the '87 300D, leaned over back of chair in cool living room where I was napping and announced, Blown fuse in the car. I was driving along with air conditioning blasting away nicely, and it just quit. Don't ya think it's a blown fuse? I replied, Yep; sure hope that's all it is. 'Hobbled out to car thinking 30 amp blower fuse had blown. Loosened the two mounting screws thinking the fuse would fall apart as I removed it, but it did not. Checked fuses in fuse box; 'found #7 (for compressor and coupla other things) blown. Because of my shaky hands, called SWMBO to help me put blower fuse back in place and RR #7. A/C blowing ice cold again. BTW, I did NOT change ALL the fuses. ;) Wilton
Re: [MBZ] 1981 Mercedes 380 SL Diesel
Right. The proper term is Gearbox-American or Identifies as Torqueflite. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Randy, get with the times! You can't say tranny anymore, that word is hate speech. --R On 7/16/15 6:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: clutch is not hooked up because it has an auto tranny in it now he says it had a manual tranny at one time in the past RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
I looked there as well. They had a few coupe hoods, but the price was around $1000 not including shipping. Fenders were around $300. So that’s $1300 right there without shipping. Then the cost of getting them painted, which I’m thinking might be around $500. Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Oh - don’t forget the headlight, too. That’s maybe another $200. Thanks for the suggestion, however. It was worth a shot. I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. He’s driving about 75 miles a day for the next year to attend school, so I was getting concerned about costs and the miles adding up on a car that’s approaching 300k. Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What about the nearest junk yards? Or call LKQ: 301 428-8239 car-part.com is your friend ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man
Guess it would help to include the link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looking forward to checking out that “Titronic” automatic all wheel drive. rim shot Thanks folks, I’ll be here all week. Be sure to try the veal…. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
On July 17, 2015 at 5:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I look a this as a blessing in disguise, as it will allow me to get the boy into something a little more modern/safer and that has better gas mileage. Better gas mileage is easy. Substantially safer than a 140 might not be so easy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man
On July 17, 2015 at 5:42 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Guess it would help to include the link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html 2002 is the last/best year for the W210. S210 was made in small quantity for 2003 model year. The facelifted 2000-2003 models are all about the same though. If you want to talk safety, BAC became standard in 98 or 99, ESP in 2000. Chassis is lowered an inch or more from the 1996-1999 cars, so that is a small advantage to my 1999 in Michigan winters rough roads and a small advantage to the newer 210s on clear pavement. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190Dt radiator
On July 16, 2015 at 10:43 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: so, the body is s**t, rust and bondo.Next. Here's the next body: http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/5116520802.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1981 Mercedes 380 SL Diesel
Trans-missioned assembly --R On 7/17/15 12:29 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: Right. The proper term is Gearbox-American or Identifies as Torqueflite. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Randy, get with the times! You can't say tranny anymore, that word is hate speech. --R On 7/16/15 6:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: clutch is not hooked up because it has an auto tranny in it now he says it had a manual tranny at one time in the past RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1981 Mercedes 380 SL Diesel
Good Lord. RB On 17/07/2015 11:29 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: Right. The proper term is Gearbox-American or Identifies as Torqueflite. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Randy, get with the times! You can't say tranny anymore, that word is hate speech. --R On 7/16/15 6:15 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: clutch is not hooked up because it has an auto tranny in it now he says it had a manual tranny at one time in the past RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Wish you were closer, I would probably buy it Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have a local MB buddy who wants it for parts, but when the time comes I'll give it a weekend on CL at something like $1000 to see if anyone wants it before I sell it to him. I can sit here and collectively list all the $$ I've spent on it recently, but we all know that's water under the bridge and has little bearing on the market value. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... Hear, hear! Sounds like that car has plenty of life left in it, in the beater brigade. Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_ will like it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
Nothing. If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect. I guess a pressure switch could fail grounded, but I've never heard of that happening. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:21 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate? BTW, 'replaced KLIMA coupla years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse Wilton, I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up should free it. I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed. Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch. A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing clutch that draws too much current. I'll have to search for a bit to find the normal amperage. I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the test a resistance test? Need to start digging... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Fan turns freely. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Dan wrote: Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Would you be willing to pay $2000 for another car that had those repairs done, and was as well sorted out as what that one is? You buy another car and there will be mysteries. Most of those mysteries you have already found on the car you have. But whatever. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
On July 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them around $45k/year. I could never get my head around that. That depends, is it worth $60k (housing etc included) a year to have your daughter date Harvard students? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On July 17, 2015 at 10:53 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_ will like it. Bingo. List it on eBay as Spares or Repair, and let some truly poor kid get some enjoyment out of it. Maybe somebody will bid the modern equivalent of the $200 I paid for my first car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sorry. No title. grin Dan Shakes when starts/aluminum V8/Fat Slag Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wish you were closer, I would probably buy it Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have a local MB buddy who wants it for parts, but when the time comes I'll give it a weekend on CL at something like $1000 to see if anyone wants it before I sell it to him. I can sit here and collectively list all the $$ I've spent on it recently, but we all know that's water under the bridge and has little bearing on the market value. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... Hear, hear! Sounds like that car has plenty of life left in it, in the beater brigade. Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_ will like it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate? BTW, 'replaced KLIMA coupla years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse Wilton, I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up should free it. I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed. Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch. A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing clutch that draws too much current. I'll have to search for a bit to find the normal amperage. I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the test a resistance test? Need to start digging... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Fan turns freely. SWMBO took car out late yesterday with A/C OFF; everything else as usual. Returned with fuse intact. What is best way to isolate compressor from the system with controls calling for cooling as usual? Unplug wire on pressure switch at dryer? What is the likelihood of a glitche in the control unit causing the fuse to blow? Same for temp. sensor motor? Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse I'd check the engine fan to be sure it turns freely. I think it is one of the highest energy consumers in that list I removed the fuse placard and carefully cleaned away the soot and scorching as best I can. I have deciphered the fuse #7 list to read: backup lamp, heating water valve, water pump, engine fan, heating system for washer jets, climate control system, relay aux fan term. 86, auto. trans. electrics, blower motor inside temp. sensor, air cond. compressor. (I filled in several obscured words with imagination and/or what I vaguely remember. Can somebody please verify it for me?) Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse #7 fuse has blown couple more times. The placard inside the fuse box cover is scorched, obscuring the list of systems in addition to compressor on that fuse, and I can't open the pdf file showing such as I have many times before. Can somebody, please, send me a photo of the placard or the appropriate pdf showing those items on fuse #7 for '87 300D? Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] Blown fuse SWMBO came in from short trip in the '87 300D, leaned over back of chair in cool living room where I was napping and announced, Blown fuse in the car. I was driving along with air conditioning blasting away nicely, and it just quit. Don't ya think it's a blown fuse? I replied, Yep; sure hope that's all it is. 'Hobbled out to car thinking 30 amp blower fuse had blown. Loosened the two mounting screws thinking the fuse would fall apart as I removed it, but it did not. Checked fuses in fuse box; 'found #7 (for compressor and coupla other things) blown. Because of my shaky hands, called SWMBO to help me put blower fuse back in place and RR #7. A/C blowing ice cold again. BTW, I did NOT change ALL the fuses. ;) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
I've known this family very well since our kids were in kindergarten. Mom and Dad were so focused on the academic achievements of daughter that nothing the son did could eclipse big sister. Therefore, I'm convinced he got wise after beating his head against the wall and getting nothing for it that he tossed in the towel and just said Screw it. Too bad, as he's a smart kid. Mom and Dad can't seem to figure out Where they went wrong with him. Mom's Facebook page is like an altar to the achievements of the daughter. No mention of sonny. Daughter just received the Lex award for freshmen at U of Houston Law. This must be a big deal, as she's been spouting off about it for almost a week on FB. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the stick My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) because his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private school and their father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out of a public school than a private school. (in other words, the smart kid flunked out of college, so why expect the hard working kid to do any better?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck rolling stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by Deutz engines in the latter half of the last century. Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know the answer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those would be stationary. The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it meant Fahrtzoid The fahr part is understandable. I can't interpret the rest of the word. The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use. Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation. Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
On the subject of the AC compressor clutch coil, I would inspect the wiring to it very carefully, as it can come loose from the tie wrap that secures it to the compressor, lean out somewhat, allowing it to rub against the back of the compressor pulley, which grounds it out and eventually cuts through it. I say this as I found just that condition on my oldest son's former 300E. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here's the troubleshooting info for the clutch coil, either read ohms or amps depending on your test equipment. This was copied from the MBCA forums before they effectively killed it. I met Bob Goodwin a few times, retired Navy and a great guy. There is one thing that I don't believe is covered as well as it should be and that is the clutch coil. Yes, the clutch coil. Famous for burning out, shorting out or just frying a few windings. Not enough to blow the fuse but plenty to disrupt the speed comparator and shut off the compressor permanently or intermittently. Of all the troubleshooting steps, checking the compressor clutch coil is cheap and relatively easy. Measure current with a clamp on amp meter. Reading should be 3.75 A hot or 4.2 A cold. Resistance should be approx 3.5 ohms hot or 3.1 ohms cold. Everytime I chased an elusive A/C compressor problem in a Mercedes, it turned out to be a bad clutch. I don't spend near as much on A/C parts anymore. __ Robert Goodwin Virginia Beach, Virginia '87 300SDL '95 E300D - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Wilton, I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
What are they now paying for law school? RB On 17/07/2015 10:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: The boy attends the University of South Florida's St. Petersburg campus. Tuition for a semester runs between $2000-$3000 including books, depending on his class load. So call it $7500/year. Very affordable. We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them around $45k/year. I could never get my head around that. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Its the idiots that go to a big name school spending $40,000 a year for a degree in humanities or something else with no market value. Like anything you need to do some research, your heart is a terrible guide to these things... My alma-mater (Fitchburg State University) costs not a ton more now than it did when I graduated. I spent about $6,500 a year including room and board. A couple years ago I was working with a guy who graduated Emerson about the same time I did but he spent around 2x what I did. We had the same basic degree, were doing the same job, making the same money but I paid off my student loans 5 years early... -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Lister is (or at least was) the gold standard for stationary engines. There are many reports of engines that have been in use for years or even decades, chugging along pumping water or making power or whatever... I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head to for use at camp. I'd build a little shed for it with a concrete pad and a big muffler. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck rolling stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by Deutz engines in the latter half of the last century. Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know the answer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those would be stationary. The F series has timing advance for vehicle use. They told me it meant Fahrtzoid The fahr part is understandable. I can't interpret the rest of the word. The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use. Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation. Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
I have a local MB buddy who wants it for parts, but when the time comes I'll give it a weekend on CL at something like $1000 to see if anyone wants it before I sell it to him. I can sit here and collectively list all the $$ I've spent on it recently, but we all know that's water under the bridge and has little bearing on the market value. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... Hear, hear! Sounds like that car has plenty of life left in it, in the beater brigade. Whether or not it's in your stable, _somebody_ will like it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
The real irony is that they have a younger son who is on the 8 year plan as they call it at the local community college. He valets at the local Embassy Suites on the weekends because he Likes to drive fancy cars. I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the stick Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them around $45k/year. I could never get my head around that. That depends, is it worth $60k (housing etc included) a year to have your daughter date Harvard students? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the stick My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) because his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private school and their father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out of a public school than a private school. (in other words, the smart kid flunked out of college, so why expect the hard working kid to do any better?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One of my wife's colleagues at MDAnderson in Houston went to college in some little nothing place in Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere, worked hard to LEARN and did well. Got into med school and worked HARD to become an excellent doc, and worked his butt off as a fellow at MDACC too. His wife was totally supportive of him, they had I think 5 kids right quick at a young age, and they made it all work through all that. He was talking about all this one day and reflected that your education is what you make of it no matter where you go (or not). So, there's that... --R On 7/17/15 1:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I've known this family very well since our kids were in kindergarten. Mom and Dad were so focused on the academic achievements of daughter that nothing the son did could eclipse big sister. Therefore, I'm convinced he got wise after beating his head against the wall and getting nothing for it that he tossed in the towel and just said Screw it. Too bad, as he's a smart kid. Mom and Dad can't seem to figure out Where they went wrong with him. Mom's Facebook page is like an altar to the achievements of the daughter. No mention of sonny. Daughter just received the Lex award for freshmen at U of Houston Law. This must be a big deal, as she's been spouting off about it for almost a week on FB. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the stick My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) because his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private school and their father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out of a public school than a private school. (in other words, the smart kid flunked out of college, so why expect the hard working kid to do any better?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
#1 grndson called from Paris coupla days ago to say thank you for helping him with finances, character guidance, study habits, etc., and that he's glad to have gone to UNC-CH and Institute d'Etude Politique de Paris. 'Made me feel mighty good to hear it from him without any prompting. 'Reminded, him, of course, Don't forget that others have been involved, too - Mom, Dad, other grandparents - be sure to thank them, too. 'Reminds me: Just before he graduated from high school, he called me with some exciting news - he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in DC. I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay. We were pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total per year from us. He and grndaughter have graduated summa cum laude (he at UNC-CH; she at NCSU) with no student debt. She's starting PhD program at U of CO next month with full scholarship, stipend, grants, etc. 'Mighty proud of bofum. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies The real irony is that they have a younger son who is on the 8 year plan as they call it at the local community college. He valets at the local Embassy Suites on the weekends because he Likes to drive fancy cars. I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the stick Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them around $45k/year. I could never get my head around that. That depends, is it worth $60k (housing etc included) a year to have your daughter date Harvard students? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Energy Positive House built in Wales for not much $$!
What parts exactly are you ISO? On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/britains-first-energy-positive-house-opens-in-wales?utm_source=EnergyGuardian_emailutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=13999 ___ When are you moving? Should be nice to live there. All quite refined, you know! Socialized medicine at its finest. I can use some of your 123 parts, unless they will be going with you. Once you get settled in , you can scout the knackers fer pahtz fer us! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
And avoided the commie indoctrination. Er, wait, UNC-CH Nevermind... --R On 7/17/15 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in DC. I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay. We were pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total per year from us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
It is. I misunderstood the question. It would isolate the compressor as far as I know. I was thinking go/no go as far as the compressor turning on. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:30 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton wrote: What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate? Dan wrote: Nothing. If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect. Huh? Isn't the pressure switch in series with the compressor? With the switch unplugged, the compressor will NOT turn on - but all the blowers will run. I don't know what other sub-systems will work or not - like will the aux fan turn on. Unless the KLIMA is involved, on the older systems the pressure switch is in series with the compressor clutch. Thus unplugging that switch should isolate the compressor but let the rest of the system run. KLIMA and any computer control could make that invalid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190Dt radiator
I bet he doesn't have a title. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 16, 2015 at 10:43 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: so, the body is s**t, rust and bondo.Next. Here's the next body: http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/5116520802.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
DIesel has drooped down to $2.79 at the River Road Valero, a dime cheaper at the Rockville Gulf. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You need a wood-fired steam engine --R On 7/17/15 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Lister is (or at least was) the gold standard for stationary engines. There are many reports of engines that have been in use for years or even decades, chugging along pumping water or making power or whatever... I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head to for use at camp. I'd build a little shed for it with a concrete pad and a big muffler. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck rolling stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by Deutz engines in the latter half of the last century. Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know the answer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those would be stationary. The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it meant Fahrtzoid The fahr part is understandable. I can't interpret the rest of the word. The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use. Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation. Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
'Trying to determine if the compressor clutch is blowing the fuse or is the control unit blowing the fuse. 'Don't have clamp-on ammeter - just wanta turn on the system (control unit) and not have the compressor come on. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse It is. I misunderstood the question. It would isolate the compressor as far as I know. I was thinking go/no go as far as the compressor turning on. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 2:30 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton wrote: What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate? Dan wrote: Nothing. If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect. Huh? Isn't the pressure switch in series with the compressor? With the switch unplugged, the compressor will NOT turn on - but all the blowers will run. I don't know what other sub-systems will work or not - like will the aux fan turn on. Unless the KLIMA is involved, on the older systems the pressure switch is in series with the compressor clutch. Thus unplugging that switch should isolate the compressor but let the rest of the system run. KLIMA and any computer control could make that invalid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Must Be a Boob Man
Early 4-matics had problems according to someone on the list. Daughter has 2006 4-matic, 175K, and no problems. Gerry That is the transmission with the really soft shifts --R On 7/17/15 5:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Guess it would help to include the link: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5112939376.html Dan On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looking forward to checking out that “Titronic” automatic all wheel drive. rim shot Thanks folks, I’ll be here all week. Be sure to try the veal…. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10247 - Release Date: 07/17/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
The Kohler distributor I worked for in the mid 80s was a Lister/Petter distributor. Petter was the throw away engine line, cheap, aluminum block diesel engines good for maybe 5,000 - 10,000 hours. Listers were the expensive, last longer than your average lifetime engines. Everybody knows the old arrow boards they used to have on the highways around road construction projects, the orange trailers with the big black sign board with yellow lights in the shape of an arrow that would blink. Nearly every one of those was powered by a Petter single cylinder diesel engine that drove a Motorola 12VDC belt driven alternator. The alternator charged a Group 8D battery which in turn ran the lights. Petter had a deal where you could turn in a core (complete engine) and they would discount the purchase of a new engine heavily. We used to have these sign board companies come in at the end of the construction season with literally truckloads of Petter AC1 engines to trade in on new ones. The old engines went back to Petter and were crushed, we were told. We didn't sell a lot of Listers that I know of, as the equipment manufacturers didn't want to invest the cost of an engine into their products. We saw sales in agriculture and irrigation, though. Parts for Listers were nothing short of obscene, but considering that it wasn't unusual to get 20,000 hours or more out of an engine, you could justify the expense. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Lister is (or at least was) the gold standard for stationary engines. There are many reports of engines that have been in use for years or even decades, chugging along pumping water or making power or whatever... I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head to for use at camp. I'd build a little shed for it with a concrete pad and a big muffler. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
Right now, I want just the compressor to NOT run - clutch not engage. I'll try it. Everything, 'cept compressor, control unit and temp. sensor motor ran yesterday afternoon, and fuse remained in tact, so, right now, I'm suspecting those three - just wanta try to isolate 'em one at a time. Wilton - Original Message - From: fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse Wilton wrote: What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate? Dan wrote: Nothing. If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect. Huh? Isn't the pressure switch in series with the compressor? With the switch unplugged, the compressor will NOT turn on - but all the blowers will run. I don't know what other sub-systems will work or not - like will the aux fan turn on. Unless the KLIMA is involved, on the older systems the pressure switch is in series with the compressor clutch. Thus unplugging that switch should isolate the compressor but let the rest of the system run. KLIMA and any computer control could make that invalid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Energy Positive House built in Wales for not much $$!
100 square metre energy positive house could drop below £100,000 How much below? That is 1000/m2 which is $ 1561.35/10.7639ft2 = $145/ft2 which is a quite decent price. I wonder how it would work in a warmer climate where AC is needed. The warm part can be dealt with by good solar design and a woodstove, but cooling (probably not particularly required in Wales) would be an issue. Could probably at least do a breakeven. --R On 7/16/15 2:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/britains-first-energy-positive-house-opens-in-wales?utm_source=EnergyGuardian_emailutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=13999 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Beats me, but I'm sure it's not cheap. Since its Houston maybe Rich knows? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What are they now paying for law school? RB On 17/07/2015 10:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: The boy attends the University of South Florida's St. Petersburg campus. Tuition for a semester runs between $2000-$3000 including books, depending on his class load. So call it $7500/year. Very affordable. We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them around $45k/year. I could never get my head around that. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Its the idiots that go to a big name school spending $40,000 a year for a degree in humanities or something else with no market value. Like anything you need to do some research, your heart is a terrible guide to these things... My alma-mater (Fitchburg State University) costs not a ton more now than it did when I graduated. I spent about $6,500 a year including room and board. A couple years ago I was working with a guy who graduated Emerson about the same time I did but he spent around 2x what I did. We had the same basic degree, were doing the same job, making the same money but I paid off my student loans 5 years early... -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Like a close friend who is also our real estate attorney, and very, very good at it. No one has ever once asked me where I got my law degree. To this day I have no idea where he went to law school. Don't care. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: One of my wife's colleagues at MDAnderson in Houston went to college in some little nothing place in Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere, worked hard to LEARN and did well. Got into med school and worked HARD to become an excellent doc, and worked his butt off as a fellow at MDACC too. His wife was totally supportive of him, they had I think 5 kids right quick at a young age, and they made it all work through all that. He was talking about all this one day and reflected that your education is what you make of it no matter where you go (or not). So, there's that... --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
It sounds like Dan has a good relationship with his son. That's great and Dan should be proud of himself and proud of his son for making that happen. According to the police, Dans son hit another car. Since Dans son is in the process of becoming a responsible adult, he should have a constant reminder for a while of why defensive driving is very necessary. By chance, having to drive the car that was damaged will probably be a very good reminder until Dan finds replacement parts which are certainly available somewhere, but might take a while. Looking at the damaged car sitting in his drive every day is probably going to be harder on Dan than on his son since Dan is an admitted perfectionist, but this could be an extremely good learning experience for his son. My suggestion would be for Dan to keep looking for the replacement parts on a regular basis, even involving his son in the search if he doesn't have too much homework, and let his son drive the damaged car in the meantime. My wife and I used this approach on our children, and they grew up to be responsible and successful adults. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Curt wrote: I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head to for use at camp. www.vidhataindia.com/lister.htm ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
'Thought so. How can I isolate only the compressor? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse Nothing. If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect. I guess a pressure switch could fail grounded, but I've never heard of that happening. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:21 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate? BTW, 'replaced KLIMA coupla years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse Wilton, I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up should free it. I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed. Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch. A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing clutch that draws too much current. I'll have to search for a bit to find the normal amperage. I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the test a resistance test? Need to start digging... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Fan turns freely. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Absolutely! What one gets out of an education is directly proportional to what one puts into it, and I'm NOT talking 'bout money. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies One of my wife's colleagues at MDAnderson in Houston went to college in some little nothing place in Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere, worked hard to LEARN and did well. Got into med school and worked HARD to become an excellent doc, and worked his butt off as a fellow at MDACC too. His wife was totally supportive of him, they had I think 5 kids right quick at a young age, and they made it all work through all that. He was talking about all this one day and reflected that your education is what you make of it no matter where you go (or not). So, there's that... --R On 7/17/15 1:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I've known this family very well since our kids were in kindergarten. Mom and Dad were so focused on the academic achievements of daughter that nothing the son did could eclipse big sister. Therefore, I'm convinced he got wise after beating his head against the wall and getting nothing for it that he tossed in the towel and just said Screw it. Too bad, as he's a smart kid. Mom and Dad can't seem to figure out Where they went wrong with him. Mom's Facebook page is like an altar to the achievements of the daughter. No mention of sonny. Daughter just received the Lex award for freshmen at U of Houston Law. This must be a big deal, as she's been spouting off about it for almost a week on FB. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the stick My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) because his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private school and their father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out of a public school than a private school. (in other words, the smart kid flunked out of college, so why expect the hard working kid to do any better?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
+1 Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:59 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Absolutely! What one gets out of an education is directly proportional to what one puts into it, and I'm NOT talking 'bout money. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies One of my wife's colleagues at MDAnderson in Houston went to college in some little nothing place in Texas or Oklahoma or somewhere, worked hard to LEARN and did well. Got into med school and worked HARD to become an excellent doc, and worked his butt off as a fellow at MDACC too. His wife was totally supportive of him, they had I think 5 kids right quick at a young age, and they made it all work through all that. He was talking about all this one day and reflected that your education is what you make of it no matter where you go (or not). So, there's that... --R On 7/17/15 1:41 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I've known this family very well since our kids were in kindergarten. Mom and Dad were so focused on the academic achievements of daughter that nothing the son did could eclipse big sister. Therefore, I'm convinced he got wise after beating his head against the wall and getting nothing for it that he tossed in the towel and just said Screw it. Too bad, as he's a smart kid. Mom and Dad can't seem to figure out Where they went wrong with him. Mom's Facebook page is like an altar to the achievements of the daughter. No mention of sonny. Daughter just received the Lex award for freshmen at U of Houston Law. This must be a big deal, as she's been spouting off about it for almost a week on FB. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:30 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the stick My boss has BA and MA from CMU (Central Michigan, not Carnie Mellon) because his older brother dropped out of an overpriced smaller private school and their father decided it's cheaper to have your kids flunk out of a public school than a private school. (in other words, the smart kid flunked out of college, so why expect the hard working kid to do any better?) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
As you should be. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: #1 grndson called from Paris coupla days ago to say thank you for helping him with finances, character guidance, study habits, etc., and that he's glad to have gone to UNC-CH and Institute d'Etude Politique de Paris. 'Made me feel mighty good to hear it from him without any prompting. 'Reminded, him, of course, Don't forget that others have been involved, too - Mom, Dad, other grandparents - be sure to thank them, too. 'Reminds me: Just before he graduated from high school, he called me with some exciting news - he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in DC. I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay. We were pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total per year from us. He and grndaughter have graduated summa cum laude (he at UNC-CH; she at NCSU) with no student debt. She's starting PhD program at U of CO next month with full scholarship, stipend, grants, etc. 'Mighty proud of bofum. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies The real irony is that they have a younger son who is on the 8 year plan as they call it at the local community college. He valets at the local Embassy Suites on the weekends because he Likes to drive fancy cars. I'm thinking he got overshadowed by big sister and got the short end of the stick Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 17, 2015 at 11:24 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: We have friends whose daughter graduated from Brown and is now in law school at the University of Houston. They once told me that tuition at Brown cost them around $45k/year. I could never get my head around that. That depends, is it worth $60k (housing etc included) a year to have your daughter date Harvard students? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Very true. However, gaining something newer, safer, and more economical is a move forward. If resources were limited I would continue on, but that is not the case at this time. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:50 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: Now we’re up to $1800 minimum, certainly more. That’s for a car with 280k on it that I paid $3000 for three years ago. The numbers just don’t work. Would you be willing to pay $2000 for another car that had those repairs done, and was as well sorted out as what that one is? You buy another car and there will be mysteries. Most of those mysteries you have already found on the car you have. But whatever. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
Depends. There are two things on taco pressure as far as I recall: The clutch coil and the speed pickup (Hall effect sensor, I believe.) The wires all go through the same connector, I believe, so it would be difficult at best to separate them at the compressor. The only thing I can think of would be to try and pop the wire for the clutch out of the connector, and then apply a separate voltage source to it to measure the current draw. ?? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:54 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Thought so. How can I isolate only the compressor? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse Nothing. If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect. I guess a pressure switch could fail grounded, but I've never heard of that happening. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 1:21 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate? BTW, 'replaced KLIMA coupla years ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse Wilton, I know that pulling the KLIMA relay will disable the AC compressor, that is located right behind the battery and fairly easy to get to, but may be pretty tight in the socket. A firm grip and gentle working while pulling up should free it. I don't know if a failing push-button unit would still blow the fuse if the KLIMA relay were removed. Pulling the plug on the top of the compressor would definitely isolate it, but that would also remove the compressor speed signal, which means the KLIMA relay would interrupt the power to the compressor clutch. A common cause of trouble in the AC compressor controls is a failing clutch that draws too much current. I'll have to search for a bit to find the normal amperage. I'd measure that current next if I were you, or is the test a resistance test? Need to start digging... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 17, 2015 11:22:19 AM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Fan turns freely. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
Wilton wrote: What would unplugging the wire on the pressure switch on the dryer isolate? Dan wrote: Nothing. If you short the terminals on the pressure switch the system would turn on *if* the charge or pressure was low. Otherwise, disconnecting it would have no effect. Huh? Isn't the pressure switch in series with the compressor? With the switch unplugged, the compressor will NOT turn on - but all the blowers will run. I don't know what other sub-systems will work or not - like will the aux fan turn on. Unless the KLIMA is involved, on the older systems the pressure switch is in series with the compressor clutch. Thus unplugging that switch should isolate the compressor but let the rest of the system run. KLIMA and any computer control could make that invalid. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
G wrote: A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth only the paper it is written on barely. And work ethic is not learned in school. Those who succeed will succeed - with or without a degree. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
You need a wood-fired steam engine --R On 7/17/15 1:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Lister is (or at least was) the gold standard for stationary engines. There are many reports of engines that have been in use for years or even decades, chugging along pumping water or making power or whatever... I'd love to find a Lister or a listeroid clone to build a generator head to for use at camp. I'd build a little shed for it with a concrete pad and a big muffler. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck rolling stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by Deutz engines in the latter half of the last century. Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know the answer. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:21 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Those would be stationary. The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it meant Fahrtzoid The fahr part is understandable. I can't interpret the rest of the word. The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use. Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation. Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
On 17/07/2015 1:45 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: G wrote: A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth only the paper it is written on barely. And work ethic is not learned in school. Those who succeed will succeed - with or without a degree. ___ BUT it is becoming much more difficult to get one's foot in the proverbial door without the appropriate papers. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Well, I HAVE been very upset by UNC-CH's denial of any problem during the on-going probe of scam classes in the Afro-Am Studies Department - paper classes set up mainly to keep athletes eligible. During last 20 years, or so, 3000+ students took classes and got HIGH grades for doing NOTHING other than getting on the list. 'Damned upsetting and embarrassing. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And avoided the commie indoctrination. Er, wait, UNC-CH Nevermind... --R On 7/17/15 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in DC. I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay. We were pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total per year from us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Did you read the report? My SIL had some mention in there, making a fairly emphatic comment about something. Her friend Mary W wrote the book, which caused some period of estrangement, but I think they have kissed and made up over the whole thing once she got fully briefed on all the shenanigans. --R On 7/17/15 3:30 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Well, I HAVE been very upset by UNC-CH's denial of any problem during the on-going probe of scam classes in the Afro-Am Studies Department - paper classes set up mainly to keep athletes eligible. During last 20 years, or so, 3000+ students took classes and got HIGH grades for doing NOTHING other than getting on the list. 'Damned upsetting and embarrassing. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And avoided the commie indoctrination. Er, wait, UNC-CH Nevermind... --R On 7/17/15 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in DC. I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay. We were pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total per year from us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Back in the '80s a trucking neighbor said a truckline tried Deutz air cooled diesels in big road tractors. They had trouble maintaining proper working temperature in the winter and the mpg was not very good. He thought they just stuck a diesel intended for farm use in the trucks since there was still a chopper in the intake that cut up grass, etc. into smaller pieces. Gerry Curly McLain wrote: Those would be stationary. The F series has timing advance for vehicle use.They told me it meant Fahrtzoid The fahr part is understandable. I can't interpret the rest of the word. The meaning is roughly intended for vehicular use. Herr Gabard could probably give a better explanation. Diesel has dropped down here, too. Benzine has remained stable, in the 2.40/gallon range, but diesel seems to be flirting with prices in the high $2.50s. Deutz makes some BA air cooled diesels. Darned near indestructible, and easy to work on. The only diesel engine that holds a candle to them is Lister. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10247 - Release Date: 07/17/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
There is also the lack of common sense or investment made by the scholars in gobbling up loans instead of working their way to a degree. If you are busting your hump to cover tuition and expenses, you tend to be a more pragmatic consumer. Dear #1 boy and his parents found that out to the tune of $30k when he bombed out of tech U. Too much fun and games, not enough study, and the folks footing the bill. He took off for the ND oil fields last week in the W140 so he could gather enough cash to pay for school his own self. Two years of screwing around with a service job and community college course work, one class at a time was not working out and he had not really set his heart to either task. Now he will be really invested in whichever degree he takes up. SWMBA got her degrees with minimal loans, as we worked our butts off to pay for the bulk of law school. We were able to keep heads above water enough to purchase homes and other lux items that most of the wet behind the ears college bunch no longer can. Cash for cars, financed the korean car new, and #1 home is four year away from paid off. #2 home has a 15 year to go. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: The problem it seems these days is people seem to think once they have a degree the world should be handed to them. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:03 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A college degree imparts nothing if the owner of the degree parks his butt on the degree and waits for magic to come to him because he has it.. It seems that may be the case with many who hold student loans for their degree in liberal underwater basket weaving, or social victimology [snark full on]. Life is hard, life is harder if you don't get off your butt and apply what talents you have, to use what tools you have. A degree with no work ethic and no will to win is worth only the paper it is written on barely. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:04 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on the education. On average a degree in anything is a big step up, a degree in something useful is a huge step up especially if you've worked real hard and gotten yourself some experience through an internship or summer job. -Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And what exactly is the value of an education these days? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That will be the current approach, but I will replace the car. Back in my day I could drive a beater but I don't want my kids driving them. It's a matter of personal preference. The rule here is that as long as you're in school full time the house provides wheels and covers expenses. He's a damned good student and a responsible kid for his age. I consider keeping him in a nice car a perk, and he knows it and is very, very appreciative. Most of his non-college buddies drive beaters they are constantly patching together to keep on the road. I want him to understand the value of an education and the ability to have and afford nice things as a result. Seeing that contrast on a daily basis makes a very powerful impression - it has on him, for sure. As the son of a first generation immigrant, I have worked hard to get where I am. I want my kids to have nice things and be successful, and if I can contribute to that while making sure they have a good set of values and appreciate what it takes to get where we are, I'm happy to do so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2015, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Eh. Just bash it back into approximately the right shape and replace the light. College kid right? He drives what rolls, if he doesn't like it he can get a job and buy his own car... -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies I looked there as well. They h ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
I've read many of the reports, including Weinstein's; 'been following it for a few years now. Like I said - damned upsetting. Mary W., the tutor? They haven't done her right, yet. They need to apologize for their treatment of her and reinstate her. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies Did you read the report? My SIL had some mention in there, making a fairly emphatic comment about something. Her friend Mary W wrote the book, which caused some period of estrangement, but I think they have kissed and made up over the whole thing once she got fully briefed on all the shenanigans. --R On 7/17/15 3:30 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Well, I HAVE been very upset by UNC-CH's denial of any problem during the on-going probe of scam classes in the Afro-Am Studies Department - paper classes set up mainly to keep athletes eligible. During last 20 years, or so, 3000+ students took classes and got HIGH grades for doing NOTHING other than getting on the list. 'Damned upsetting and embarrassing. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies And avoided the commie indoctrination. Er, wait, UNC-CH Nevermind... --R On 7/17/15 1:52 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: he had received a scholarship for $18K per year from American U in DC. I was very happy for him, but I had to finally remind him that it left only about $40K per year for the rest of us to pay. We were pleased when he chose to attend UNC-CH (a state-supported U) at ~ $15K total per year from us. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
Use the economy mode on the climate control. Works just like it does in normal mode. Or you can unplug the connection for the clutch at the compressor. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Power Brake Booster 123
Bob wrote: My power booster gave out on my 1983 240D on my way to our shore house last week; about 30 miles from Ocean City ,NJ. I was on back roads fortunately but NOT a fun ride with hardly any brakes autotrans not shifting right due to loss of vacuum. Why didn't you stop and plug the line to the booster to let the transmission have vacuum. So hopefully my power booster is good Can the booster be tested to see if it will hold vacuum without the master cylinder? If so, you could test it with a mighty-vac, a powered vacuum pump, or even tapped into the vacuum on a running engine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
Curly McLain wrote: College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone I've been subscribed to Imprimis, their monthly bulletin, for years. Unfortunately, Hillsdale; like many small colleges; is expensive: around $70,000 per year which covers room, board, and everything. Of course, once a young person has a degree, they probably have a broader choice of high paying jobs than Ivy Leaguers since a large number of very wealthy industrialists and business people support the school and make sure grads have lots of choices. Gerry ... You are right. you pay to be brainwashed and become a good little liberal/socialist/marxist borg. then you you follow the collective, you stay an indentured servant for life. OR: You can send them to hillsdale college. They allow thinking and teach the constitution there. Very sub versiv e! Counter culture! In my day, there was still some open discussion and free thought allowed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10252 - Release Date: 07/17/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Win 10 owns your computer
archer75--- wrote: Windows 10: You'll get UPDATES LIKE IT or NOT – unless you have Enterprise Edition 'You agree to receive automatic updates without notice' That does it. I'm looking for another OS. Put it behind a firewall, then block access to all MS hosts. *evil grin* Never the less, I agree. I think I should _own_ my system, not use in on loan from Microsoft. I'm still able to use XP for all the things that require MSWin, but I think I see the day approaching where I'll have to upgrade. Win7, I guess... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
One other interesting exchange was with a young guy from West Texas who had come to the meeting to see for himself what Soros was about. He stated this in his question, then asked why Soros was opposed to guns when he had seen what happened to people in the war who could not defend themselves, and who had been subjugated by the Nazis. Soros started some song and dance about well I'm not really opposed blah blah and the kid just would not let him worm out of it. The kid sounded like a total West Texas goober but he was quite smart and very tenacious. At some point he referenced the gun he had in his pocket and I thought a lot of the audience was going to soil their pants right then and there. This goes back and forth for a few minutes, the kid had Soros all tied up and basically told him in a very firm and polite way that he was evil and a hypocrite, and the audience was going crazy, a lot of the old hippies yelling at the kid who threw it right back at them. it was on the verge of getting way out of control and the moderator finally shut everyone up, Soros made a few smartass comments that got the base cheering, but the old hippies were still mouthing off about the gun-totin kid who cleaned Soros mighty well. Soros is a truly evil person. --R Is there video or audio of that exchange? It sounds delightful. Youboob.com? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Deutz has made over the road engines for decades. Much of the truck rolling stock in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa was powered by Deutz engines in the latter half of the last century. Now Lister I don't know about, as those I only dealt with as stationary engines. Maybe one of the members more familiar with the Brits would know the answer. Dan yes, Deutz F series engine can run a truck in the sahara for years and never have a radiator boil over and won't blow a radiator hose. You just need to keep the blower clean and open the airbox regularly to check for dirt buildup etc. and make sure the fan stays running. What were the Diesel engines used by the krauts in tanks in WWII? I've wondered if the deutz may have been used there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
How did we get from Trump to Soros?? Trump's story is way more interesting since he is running fo office.. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: One other interesting exchange was with a young guy from West Texas who had come to the meeting to see for himself what Soros was about. He stated this in his question, then asked why Soros was opposed to guns when he had seen what happened to people in the war who could not defend themselves, and who had been subjugated by the Nazis. Soros started some song and dance about well I'm not really opposed blah blah and the kid just would not let him worm out of it. The kid sounded like a total West Texas goober but he was quite smart and very tenacious. At some point he referenced the gun he had in his pocket and I thought a lot of the audience was going to soil their pants right then and there. This goes back and forth for a few minutes, the kid had Soros all tied up and basically told him in a very firm and polite way that he was evil and a hypocrite, and the audience was going crazy, a lot of the old hippies yelling at the kid who threw it right back at them. it was on the verge of getting way out of control and the moderator finally shut everyone up, Soros made a few smartass comments that got the base cheering, but the old hippies were still mouthing off about the gun-totin kid who cleaned Soros mighty well. Soros is a truly evil person. --R Is there video or audio of that exchange? It sounds delightful. Youboob.com? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
On July 17, 2015 at 9:00 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The boy has said he will drive his car for the duration until we can find another W140 rather than going up to a W210. He even agrees that an S320 would be ideal due to mileage and fuel consumption. While I don’t think it will be that much better than the M119 based on what I’ve heard from S320 owners, it’s an improvement for sure. Does he need a roomy back seat? A lot of the S320s are SWB. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque
Andrew... Being in the protected and isolated beltway of DC you likely don't realize that Soros and other like him are the real reason Trump has leaped to the leadership position in two weeks after filing to run for President. Trump stands up, speaks up, and won't shut up, because he is not intimidated by anyone. The rest of America west of the Potomac River are truly and well pissed at the District of Corruption, Soros, and the evil they represent. So, Yes, a little bio discourse on Soros ... and others.. is actually about Trump... who in plain words, without doing the PC Dance says what Americans have been saying for the past 30 yrs.. I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this any more just about sums it up for most Americans, about now. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How did we get from Trump to Soros?? Trump's story is way more interesting since he is running fo office.. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: One other interesting exchange was with a young guy from West Texas who had come to the meeting to see for himself what Soros was about. He stated this in his question, then asked why Soros was opposed to guns when he had seen what happened to people in the war who could not defend themselves, and who had been subjugated by the Nazis. Soros started some song and dance about well I'm not really opposed blah blah and the kid just would not let him worm out of it. The kid sounded like a total West Texas goober but he was quite smart and very tenacious. At some point he referenced the gun he had in his pocket and I thought a lot of the audience was going to soil their pants right then and there. This goes back and forth for a few minutes, the kid had Soros all tied up and basically told him in a very firm and polite way that he was evil and a hypocrite, and the audience was going crazy, a lot of the old hippies yelling at the kid who threw it right back at them. it was on the verge of getting way out of control and the moderator finally shut everyone up, Soros made a few smartass comments that got the base cheering, but the old hippies were still mouthing off about the gun-totin kid who cleaned Soros mighty well. Soros is a truly evil person. --R Is there video or audio of that exchange? It sounds delightful. Youboob.com? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190Dt radiator
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015 07:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On July 16, 2015 at 10:43 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: so, the body is s**t, rust and bondo.Next. Here's the next body: http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/5116520802.html Scam. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Power Brake Booster 123
If you order a part from a dealer and need it in a hurry, tell them to “VOR” it. It costs them nothing extra, and as long as you order it before the cutoff time for the day, no matter what depot it’s in in North america you’ll have it the next morning. They even VOR stuff from Germany, but that adds a day. Dan On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:28 PM, Bob via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My power booster gave out on my 1983 240D on my way to our shore house last week; about 30 miles from Ocean City ,NJ. I was on back roads fortunately but NOT a fun ride with hardly any brakes autotrans not shifting right due to loss of vacuum. While driving I push doorlock buttons they worked so I knew it wasn't the vacuum pump. I had a power booster replaced on another 240d so I knew what it was. Fortunately I had PNP one 15 years ago from a car that had 79k on it at home . Had a friend bring it down to me and I put it in . I needed ordered the O-ring between the master cylinder the power booster. Had to come home to attend to family gathering pick up O-ring. I had to order from home [Keenan in Doylestown,Pa]-They got it for me in less than 2 days.The dealer at Atlantic City had to get the O-ring from California - take 5 days. What's that about ?? Anyway I'm heading back down Tues next week to slap on the master cylinder bleed the brakes by myself with my homemade pressure bleeder. So hopefully my power booster is goodI'm contacting Potomac just in case...Any of you listers out there in MB-land have one laying around/available ?? I CHECKED THE FUSES !!!.not !! Bob 1983 240D - 217K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S500 Ouchies
College seems like a big racket these days to me. I know lots of folks paying off student loans all their life that don't really make that much money. Sent from my iPhone You are right. you pay to be brainwashed and become a good little liberal/socialist/marxist borg. then you you follow the collective, you stay an indentured servant for life. OR: You can send them to hillsdale college. They allow thinking and teach the constitution there. Very sub versiv e! Counter culture! In my day, there was still some open discussion and free thought allowed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blown fuse
This is for the Japanee compressor? I assume not for the GM in the 123s? Here's the troubleshooting info for the clutch coil, either read ohms or amps depending on your test equipment. This was copied from the MBCA forums before they effectively killed it. I met Bob Goodwin a few times, retired Navy and a great guy. There is one thing that I don't believe is covered as well as it should be and that is the clutch coil. Yes, the clutch coil. Famous for burning out, shorting out or just frying a few windings. Not enough to blow the fuse but plenty to disrupt the speed comparator and shut off the compressor permanently or intermittently. Of all the troubleshooting steps, checking the compressor clutch coil is cheap and relatively easy. Measure current with a clamp on amp meter. Reading should be 3.75 A hot or 4.2 A cold. Resistance should be approx 3.5 ohms hot or 3.1 ohms cold. Everytime I chased an elusive A/C compressor problem in a Mercedes, it turned out to be a bad clutch. I don't spend near as much on A/C parts anymore. __ Robert Goodwin Virginia Beach, Virginia '87 300SDL '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Win 10 owns your computer
archer75--- wrote: Windows 10: You'll get UPDATES LIKE IT or NOT - unless you have Enterprise Edition 'You agree to receive automatic updates without notice' That does it. I'm looking for another OS. Put it behind a firewall, then block access to all MS hosts. *evil grin* Never the less, I agree. I think I should _own_ my system, not use in on loan from Microsoft. I'm still able to use XP for all the things that require MSWin, but I think I see the day approaching where I'll have to upgrade. Win7, I guess... I am gonna be ordering my life so that if it won't run on XP, Mac or 'nix, it don't exist. I need very little from the evil empire any more. (MCSE Certified, Former MCT) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
