Re: [MBZ] Keep those 123 chassis' rolling

2015-07-24 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
Yeah yeah, i'm here.  Don't get your tin foil hats out just yet.  Its not
quite as simple as they make it sound.  I won't get into here on a public
forum, but you really don't have to worry.  I hate to break it to you, but
none of us are special enough to warrant the huge amount of effort it takes
a hacker to make something like this happen to take over the car your
grandma drives to church.

But note that cars have had cellular phones in them for a really long
time... ever hear of on-star?

And as for jobs in NJ... mine is just fine... I don't work for MBUSA, I
work for another sister company.  And in this case too, things are not as
simple as you read online and in the papers. Lots of people still in
Montvale working away.

Jaime



On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


  

  It's here - hackers can now take over a new car.


 The original article is at:

 http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

 Craig


 I hope Jaime is reading this.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about 
schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other 
points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. 
We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back 
up your point they'd listen.Part of it, I suspect, is the program of 
study, in film and video if it looks good it is good. Broke a rule 
but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. Break a rule and the 
finished product sucks? Back to the drawing board. The other nice 
thing was that failure is just a learning experience that makes your 
next project better, nobody is perfect the first time and because of 
that we were encouraged to experiment which then made you better.
The kids in more conventional fields of study hated us. I had one 
design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. 
You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a 
crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is...

-Curt



Tain't so anymore.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at 
UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my 
integrity to do so, so I won't.


But in universities, independent simple solutions are not 
acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to 
death and then come up with something that doesn't address the issue 
because actually doing so might offend someone.  Goes double for 
integrity because that is not valued much any more unless it fits 
some other agenda.


--R


You nailed that!

The other alternative is to make illegal threats to student,staff, 
faculty who know anything about the illegal/unethical activity,and 
sweep it under the rug.  I'm thinking it is about time to find my box 
of evidence and start making noise about 20 year old illegal actions. 
This approach is generally applied by the Univ to illegal activities 
they DON'T want discussed, because in the official doublespeek, it 
never happened


BTDT.  It ain't pretty!

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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Having worked at a big 10 school and an SEC school I totally agree and i
would abolish the NCAA.


We had George Jefferson.  He looked and sounded like George 
Jefferson on the Movin on up TV show.  He real name was George. 
His last name was different but similar.


George's job was to pressure profs and TAs to make sure athaelites 
passed classes by any means (all condoned) and to make sure those of 
certain equal pigmentation passed classes and gragitated, using any 
means possible  (also condoned)


Before I could gragitate with an advanced degree (debris?) i was 
forced to go in and get a signature from George Jefferson.  It turned 
my stomach.  It turned my stomach to have to go in there and look at 
this little being  (not a man) and grovel for a signature.  It was 
very difficult to not speak the truth and just grovel for the 
signature.


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Gotcha.

Friend of mine did the super-duper power blender that destroys everything in 
its path diet for a month.  Definitely lost weight, but said he felt like he 
was a baby or invalid since he never ate solid food.

Dan

 On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I know.  Stream of consciousness at work here.
  
 Revised recipe:  In addition to grapes, frozen blueberries, strawberries, and 
 half an orange I also added a few pieces of frozen banana.
 


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I wasn’t suggesting making peanut butter, I was pointing out that there is a 
product out there that provides the flavor of peanut butter without the fat and 
oils.  It’s called PB2”.

Dan

 On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and honey.  :( 
  Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.
  
 Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole organic 
 strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie seedless 
 grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of ice.  More like 
 a slushie but quite delish!
 


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I know.  Stream of consciousness at work here.

Revised recipe:  In addition to grapes, frozen blueberries, strawberries,
and half an orange I also added a few pieces of frozen banana.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I wasn’t suggesting making peanut butter, I was pointing out that there is
 a product out there that provides the flavor of peanut butter without the
 fat and oils.  It’s called PB2”.

 Dan

  On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and
 honey.  :(  Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.
 
  Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole
 organic strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie
 seedless grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of
 ice.  More like a slushie but quite delish!
 


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Location of this car?  Mobile website surfing stinks.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Why does Penn State come to mind right now?

I worked at a major university for a couple of years while I attended school 
there.  While there can be some pretty sordid things that go on in the 
corporate world, I was stunned at some of the things I heard and saw while I 
was working there.  Convinced me it was not a long term thing for me….

Dan


 On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, 
 outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do 
 so, so I won't.
 
 But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the 
 school has to form committees to beat the issue to death and then come up 
 with something that doesn't address the issue because actually doing so 
 might offend someone.  Goes double for integrity because that is not 
 valued much any more unless it fits some other agenda.
 
 --R
 
 You nailed that!
 
 The other alternative is to make illegal threats to student,staff, faculty 
 who know anything about the illegal/unethical activity,and sweep it under the 
 rug.  I'm thinking it is about time to find my box of evidence and start 
 making noise about 20 year old illegal actions. This approach is generally 
 applied by the Univ to illegal activities they DON'T want discussed, because 
 in the official doublespeek, it never happened
 
 BTDT.  It ain't pretty!
 
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[MBZ] Now THIS Guy is on Crack

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2416689-1972-mercedes-280se-4-5-liter.html#post12568137

Really nice car, but $18,000??

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Why does this keep happening

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Glad you figured that out, did you leave the washers off the other head too?
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I believe it was in Daytona Beach, FL.

Dan


 On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Location of this car?  Mobile website surfing stinks.
 -- 
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 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Where not to drive Limos

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Fault of the driver, unless the entity that designed or built that crossing can 
be proven to have not followed code or law or good engineering practice.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 12:44:57 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
On 23/07/2015 4:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11758225/1-tonne-freight-train-ploughs-into-limousine-at-level-crossing.html

 Limo driver must have been going pretty fast to hop up crossways of
the railroad track.
 What make was it before the conversion?

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Poor driver got hung up on the railway crossing.
So, is it the fault of the town or the railway for having the hump in 
the road,  or the fault of the limo service or limo builder for using
or 
building a vehicle that is unable to negotiate the local roads?
Thankfully, all got out of the car before the train came.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Thanks Dan, pix look like FL.
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'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 12:48:17 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
I believe it was in Daytona Beach, FL.

Dan


 On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Location of this car?  Mobile website surfing stinks.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

+1

+1

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.


 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:07:16 -0400
 Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity  ethics
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com

 Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 
20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's 
Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups 
(committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies.  Co-chair 
said that they first want to define integrity.  To save 'em 
possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition 
of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 
80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is 
right when nobody else is watching.



  Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Re. the unsavory crap (sham, paper, classes) going on for nearly 
20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's 
Raleigh News and Observer, discusses two working groups 
(committee's) looking at UNC integrity and policies.  Co-chair 
said that they first want to define integrity.  To save 'em 
possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition 
of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 
years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right 
when nobody else is watching.


Wilton


Hear Here!  (stomping a a cane on the floor)

Attaboy!

I nominate Wilton for pres, chancellor or whatever they call the head 
honkey at UNC, and/or chair of the board of regents or whatever body 
is supposed to oversee the universities for the State!


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Angie got a bottle of it, awful stuff...
The fats are what makes peanut butter good and the fats are probably good for 
you. Science is finally starting to finally get its collective head around how 
bad for us a low fat diet is...
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Okie Benz mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?
   
I wasn’t suggesting making peanut butter, I was pointing out that there is a 
product out there that provides the flavor of peanut butter without the fat and 
oils.  It’s called PB2”.

Dan



 On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and honey.  :( 
  Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.
  
 Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole organic 
 strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie seedless 
 grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of ice.  More like 
 a slushie but quite delish!
 


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 I'm not sure about ...Science is finally starting to finally get its
 collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...  I see
 more zero fat, and lowfat, in the yogurt offerings.


There is little to no relationship between science and what's on the
shelves. Marketing drives what you find on the shelves - demand by
advertising.

Yes, you need fat for your nerves to work . . .



-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
T'is where I went to school. I know the head of the department, he was just 
starting out when I was about halfway through school. We talk about the old 
days and very little has changed there base curriculum wise. The tools are 
different now but the theory is the same. We also get a number of interns from 
there where I work now. They come out as good as ever, of course you get the 
occasional knuckle head but the internship program is kind of a last quality 
control check...
-Curt
  From: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity  ethics
   


I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about 
schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other 
points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. 
We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back 
up your point they'd listen.Part of it, I suspect, is the program of 
study, in film and video if it looks good it is good. Broke a rule 
but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. Break a rule and the 
finished product sucks? Back to the drawing board. The other nice 
thing was that failure is just a learning experience that makes your 
next project better, nobody is perfect the first time and because of 
that we were encouraged to experiment which then made you better.
The kids in more conventional fields of study hated us. I had one 
design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. 
You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a 
crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is...
-Curt


Tain't so anymore.


   
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
I think you guys are confirmed bottom-feeders, struggling to justify why the 
old adage about a cheap Mercedes is wrong.

Assuming the seller is not lying, a low mile and rust free diesel wagon that is 
not rough should easily be worth twice what they go for all the time.  
Local market will drive the price.

If I were shopping for another wagon, I'd be all over that.
-- 
Max Dillon (who paid too much for his wagon)
Charleston SC
'87 300TD 
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
  Curt wrote:
  The fats are what makes peanut butter good...

 Mountain wrote:
 
 I'm not sure about ...Science is finally starting to
 finally get its collective head around how bad for us a low
 fat diet is...  I see more zero fat, and lowfat, in the
 yogurt offerings.

There can be a long, long distance between science and marketing.

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
--R wrote:
 the peanut fats and oils are actually the good fats and oils, though a lot
 of calories come with them

 I make smoovies like that occasionally but use unsweetened vanilla almond
 milk so it isn't as slushy

+1
+1

Both are wonderful comments - thanks.
I abhor the rape of food, removing fat, adding fake sweet, etc.
I want fuel for my brain and fat does that.
Too much fear and loathing of the food supply.  Good food is becoming rare.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity ethics

2015-07-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Why does Penn State come to mind right now?

You mean the place where a former assistant coach kept raping little boys in the
locker room long after he retired?

Where the so-called whistleblower, upon finding a felony in progress (retiree
sodomizing a boy who appeared to be ten years old), ran home to phone his daddy
for advise on what to do about it, before waiting until the next day to inform
school officials (not campus police) what he saw?

The worst part of it is, if the testicle deficient young man who witnessed the
rape had done the right thing (tackle the rapist and call the police to come get
feces/blood samples off the guy's penis for DNA testing) he probably would never
get another job in a university setting again.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

2015-07-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 His is about a $3500 car

Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market
value a corresponding amount, 
but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that still
needs all that stuff done 
to it. 

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
A common line of thinking on Craigslist.  “I just put an exorbitant amount of 
money into this car so now it’s worth that and more.”

Never seems to work out, either.

Dan


 On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market
 value a corresponding amount, 
 but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that 
 still
 needs all that stuff done 
 to it. 
 
 Mitch. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Why does this keep happening

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

  On July 24, 2015 at 12:02 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Supposedly with this engine you replace the nuts but not the 
studs. In as case
 I think I know what happened this time. I forgot to put the but 
thick washers

 on that go between the head and the nut. Maybe that threw off the torque
 settings. I did order a complete set anyway


Any chance the nuts bottomed out without the washers and you twisted the studs
off when you ran out of threads?

Mitch.


+1

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

2015-07-24 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Exactly. Otherwise it would be a 2-2.5k car like you say. Maybe even less. 124 
diesels are almost free these days around here. There was a decent 87 300d on 
cl a couple months ago that would not start after a filter change. Somebody 
bought it as I saw it in the last couple of weeks, runs and drives now. Price 
was $1900. Several weeks later it is now $900 and the ad is still up so I 
assume he has not sold it. I have a rough 87TD with a #17 head I but on cl for 
$1500 to see if there would be any action and I have got no bites.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 On July 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 His is about a $3500 car
 
 Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market
 value a corresponding amount, 
 but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that 
 still
 needs all that stuff done 
 to it. 
 
 Mitch. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Why does this keep happening

2015-07-24 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


 On July 24, 2015 at 12:02 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 
 Supposedly with this engine you replace the nuts but not the studs. In as case
 I think I know what happened this time. I forgot to put the but thick washers
 on that go between the head and the nut. Maybe that threw off the torque
 settings. I did order a complete set anyway 

Any chance the nuts bottomed out without the washers and you twisted the studs
off when you ran out of threads?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and honey.
:(  Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.

Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole organic
strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie seedless
grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of ice.  More
like a slushie but quite delish!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 A woman I work with swears by some sort of peanut butter powder for adding
 the PB flavor to smoothies and the like without the fat.

 I can get specific information if you want it.

 Dan


  On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Andrew wrote:
  I must say I am disappointed at the lack of MATURITY of this group.
 
  C'mon...
  With the well known cheapskate tenor of this group, you expect value
  in request for high end BlendTec recipes?
  Actually, my son sent us a BlendTec and we use it a couple times each
 week.
  We buy outdated reduced price veggies and fruits and blend the garbage
  to drink as smoothie.  When blended together with mostly okay fruit,
  the inherent rot and mold blend right out to okay.  Good source of
  fruit and fiber at low cost.  The Costco PB can't be beat for price.
  Dry roast peanuts cannot be found any more.  I used to grind bulk
  purchased DeafSmith nuts for PB when we lived in CO using a hand
  grinder to produce a product not unlike the Kirkland PB.  Even the 50#
  buckets of PB don't compare pricewise with the Kirkland as far as I
  have found.  The Kirkland stuff is from Portales NM.  Tell me I'm not
  a cheapskate.
  mao
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Where not to drive Limos

2015-07-24 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 23/07/2015 4:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11758225/1-tonne-freight-train-ploughs-into-limousine-at-level-crossing.html

Limo driver must have been going pretty fast to hop up crossways of the 
railroad track.
What make was it before the conversion?

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Poor driver got hung up on the railway crossing.
So, is it the fault of the town or the railway for having the hump in 
the road,  or the fault of the limo service or limo builder for using or 
building a vehicle that is unable to negotiate the local roads?

Thankfully, all got out of the car before the train came.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
the peanut fats and oils are actually the good fats and oils, though a 
lot of calories come with them


I make smoovies like that occasionally but use unsweetened vanilla 
almond milk so it isn't as slushy


--R



On 7/24/15 4:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I wasn’t suggesting making peanut butter, I was pointing out that there is a product 
out there that provides the flavor of peanut butter without the fat and oils.  It’s 
called PB2”.

Dan


On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and honey.  :(  
Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.
  
Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole organic strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie seedless grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of ice.  More like a slushie but quite delish!




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[MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. It 
looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like parking lot 
damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, engine starts good and 
sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed it up about 5 feet the 
transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely with it out of gear it rolls 
fine... We farted around with it a few minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he 
couldn't seem to believe it, the look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the 
car around recently and it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer 
(dragged it up the hill with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's 
program for kids) and interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It 
protested and made sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential didn't 
make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems unlikely.
Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next week. I got 
it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point I think even if the 
car is junk I'll still come out okay...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
-Curt wrote:
 The fats are what makes peanut butter good...

Isn't fat the primary flavor element in food? i.e. marbled steak, not
fatfree steak.

I'm not sure about ...Science is finally starting to finally get its
collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...  I see
more zero fat, and lowfat, in the yogurt offerings.  I want full fat
Stonyfield/BrownCow/others.  I theorize that obese comes from fatfree
and lowfat.  Body is not sated and eats more.

What we don't want is the usual offerings of PB that adds hydrogenated
oils and hfcs or sweetener.  PB is great - we eat Portales, NM
Kirkland PB daily.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Maple syrup, a couple big scoops of vanilla ice cream and a splash of heavy 
cream make a nice smoothy...
Best if you could get the ice cream from the amish guy I met in Michigan last 
year. Used an ice cream maker belted to a 100 year old John Deere hit and miss 
engine. So good you wanted to eat the cup.
-Curt
  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 6:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?
   
--R wrote:
 the peanut fats and oils are actually the good fats and oils, though a lot
 of calories come with them

 I make smoovies like that occasionally but use unsweetened vanilla almond
 milk so it isn't as slushy

+1
+1

Both are wonderful comments - thanks.
I abhor the rape of food, removing fat, adding fake sweet, etc.
I want fuel for my brain and fat does that.
Too much fear and loathing of the food supply.  Good food is becoming rare.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Sounds like a money pit.  Mileage?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI.
It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like
parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath,
engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed
it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely
with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few
minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the
look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and
it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill
with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and
interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made
sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential
didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems
unlikely.
Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next
week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point
I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
Manual or auto?  If an auto, check the fancy flywheel.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit.
-Curt

  From: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com
 To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
   
Sounds like a money pit. Mileage?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300



On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. It 
looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like parking lot 
damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, engine starts good and 
sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed it up about 5 feet the 
transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely with it out of gear it rolls 
fine... We farted around with it a few minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he 
couldn't seem to believe it, the look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the 
car around recently and it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer 
(dragged it up the hill with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's 
program for kids) and interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It 
protested and made sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential didn't 
make the other wheel
spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems unlikely.
Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next week. I got 
it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point I think even if the 
car is junk I'll still come out okay...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Manual, its still got the fancy flywheel.
VW Guru and I discussed the possibility of the DMF (dual mass flywheel) being 
the problem but can't see how it would lock up the transmission. The clutch 
still works, it just won't turn the wheels.
-Curt

  From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Curt Raymond 
curtlud...@yahoo.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
   
Manual or auto?  If an auto, check the fancy flywheel.Bob R

  
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
It is the adulterated fats that kill.  Natural fats, as nature 
intended are necessary for life, but not available in prepared foods. 
Raw, not GMO foods have fats that are unadulterated.  almonds, 
Macadamia nuts, black walnuts, hickory nuts are all good sources, as 
are organically grown animals who are not fed GMO grain.  old 
varieties of peanuts grown organically should be good also.  I'm 
guessing Monsanto/dupont etc. manufactures most peanuts grown as a 
crop, so they won't be good.


All we need to exist is Omega 6 fatty acids and Omega 3 fatty acids. 
The body manufactures every thing else from these two basics.





Angie got a bottle of it, awful stuff...
The fats are what makes peanut butter good and the fats are probably 
good for you. Science is finally starting to finally get its 
collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...

-Curt



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[MBZ] Fats and EFAs Wuz: Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

-Curt wrote:

 The fats are what makes peanut butter good...


Isn't fat the primary flavor element in food? i.e. marbled steak, not
fatfree steak.


Yes



I'm not sure about ...Science is finally starting to finally get its
collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...  I see
more zero fat, and lowfat, in the yogurt offerings.  I want full fat
Stonyfield/BrownCow/others.  I theorize that obese comes from fatfree
and lowfat.  Body is not sated and eats more.


There are a few doctors who are figuring out the profession has been 
manipulated to benefit the drug pushers.




What we don't want is the usual offerings of PB that adds hydrogenated
oils and hfcs or sweetener.  PB is great - we eat Portales, NM
Kirkland PB daily.
mao


Mao, you have JB Sanfillippo in your front yard.  Jasper's PB from 
Sanfillippo (used to have The Home Economist retail stores) is a 
natural PB.


For all:

Read this article 2-3 times.  It is hard to absorb all the 
terminology and the research in one pass.


http://www.brianpeskin.com/BP.com/about/PeskinPrimer.pdf

My cardiologist is absolutely clueless, a complete slave to the 
(legal) drug pushers.  Most doctors are slaves to the drug pushers.


The first couple ebooks on this list are worth reading also.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=lee+hieb

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Maple syrup, a couple big scoops of vanilla ice cream and a splash 
of heavy cream make a nice smoothy...
Best if you could get the ice cream from the amish guy I met in 
Michigan last year. Used an ice cream maker belted to a 100 year old 
John Deere hit and miss engine. So good you wanted to eat the cup.

-Curt


Real milk is so much better for you and for ice cream.  It is hard to 
find real milk.  In this state it is illegal.
Same for Maple surp  THAT is real food.  Monsanto does not have GMO 
maple trees.


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Local farm has a small grocery store with mostly local products, 
including raw milk.   Priced at about 2x homogenized milk, they 
couldn't keep it in stock, kept increasing the price until they 
found the market price, which is like $8 a half gallon.


I grew up on raw milk, straight from the nearest neighbors dairy 
farm.  Store milk is like water to me, nothing in it.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


It has a clinton connection:  whitewater

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[MBZ] GMO Wuz: OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
What's wrong with GMO food?  Don't make me lump you in with the 
Global Warming religion nut cases worshipping Gaia...

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


As long as you don't group me with wacko the insane!   Its all good.

I don't understand what is wrong with GMO food myself.  What I can 
tell you is that products made from GMO corn turn my insides out. 
This leads me to be skeptical of beef and pork and chicken and turkey 
fed GMO grain, and even venison here where most of their diet is gmo 
corn.


Is it the Bt?  could be, it is a poison bred into the plant.  Is it 
something else?  Could be.  I started having trouble with corn 
products 30 years, which just about coincides with when the first Bt 
corn came out.  I have no science.  Just results of trial and error 
food elimination.


What I have been able to figure out is that when I was a kid, all our 
food came from the farm, except sometimes bread.  Then we started 
buying milk in  place of milking a Hereford.  and so it went until 
here we are now.  Almost nothing is homegrown or farm fresh, or eaten 
in season.


BTW, had the first helping of homegrown green beans tonight, along 
with a heritage black cherry tomato.  Great real food!  Had a nice 
crop of sugar pea pods this summer so far.Way better than cat 
poop jelly!


So I am seeking out things to do with exotic grains that Monsanto has 
not heard of, and new types of those exotic seeds (grains)


IMHO, it is a conservative approach.  Conserve.  Conservation.  It is 
what we all do with our old MBs. Not a trendy term.  The state 
conservation commissions set up to conserve natural resources, have 
become DNRs with  the mission of dictating who gets to use natural 
resources.  The socialist approach, not a conservation or 
conservative approach.


Even andrew is a conservative at heart, as are all liberals.  He does 
an excellent job conserving old MBs.


When GMO is only accelerating the plant selection that has been done 
for eons, I don't have a problem with it.  When GMO is grafting in 
bits of other organisms, we may run into trouble.  Such may be the 
case with Bt grains.


.02 ...

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
But can it do this:

http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-volkswagen-diesel-totally-dominate-a-ferrari-at-1719359271

Dan rollin’ coal


 On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Sounds like a money pit.  Mileage?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
 On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
 Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI.
 It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like
 parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath,
 engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed
 it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely
 with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few
 minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the
 look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and
 it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill
 with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and
 interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made
 sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
 It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential
 didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems
 unlikely.
 Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next
 week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point
 I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay...
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Should last at least a few more years?
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 9:11:50 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit.
-Curt

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To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
   
Sounds like a money pit. Mileage?


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The debate now is focussed on Congressional legislation to prohibit States
from requiring food producers to divulge the presence of GMOs on labels.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 What's wrong with GMO food?  Don't make me lump you in with the Global
 Warming religion nut cases worshipping Gaia...
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

 On July 25, 2015 12:27:11 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 It is the adulterated fats that kill.  Natural fats, as nature
 intended are necessary for life, but not available in prepared foods.
 Raw, not GMO foods have fats that are unadulterated.  almonds,
 Macadamia nuts, black walnuts, hickory nuts are all good sources, as
 are organically grown animals who are not fed GMO grain.  old
 varieties of peanuts grown organically should be good also.  I'm
 guessing Monsanto/dupont etc. manufactures most peanuts grown as a
 crop, so they won't be good.
 
 All we need to exist is Omega 6 fatty acids and Omega 3 fatty acids.
 The body manufactures every thing else from these two basics.
 
 
 
 Angie got a bottle of it, awful stuff...
 The fats are what makes peanut butter good and the fats are probably
 good for you. Science is finally starting to finally get its
 collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...
 -Curt
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Local farm has a small grocery store with mostly local products, including 
raw milk.   Priced at about 2x homogenized milk, they couldn't keep it in 
stock, kept increasing the price until they found the market price, which is 
like $8 a half gallon.

I grew up on raw milk, straight from the nearest neighbors dairy farm.  Store 
milk is like water to me, nothing in it.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 25, 2015 12:47:35 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

Real milk is so much better for you and for ice cream.  It is hard to 
find real milk.  In this state it is illegal.
Same for Maple surp  THAT is real food.  Monsanto does not have GMO 
maple trees.



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[MBZ] Cool off this summer.

2015-07-24 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Not so Hawaiian Shave ice

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/07/22/chill-out-with-a-tasty-shaved-ice-treat-from-mercede-benzs-ice-monster-tie-in-shop/

Maybe Andrew can make this with his new sumbeam blender


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

2015-07-24 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
What's wrong with GMO food?  Don't make me lump you in with the Global Warming 
religion nut cases worshipping Gaia...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 25, 2015 12:27:11 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
It is the adulterated fats that kill.  Natural fats, as nature 
intended are necessary for life, but not available in prepared foods. 
Raw, not GMO foods have fats that are unadulterated.  almonds, 
Macadamia nuts, black walnuts, hickory nuts are all good sources, as 
are organically grown animals who are not fed GMO grain.  old 
varieties of peanuts grown organically should be good also.  I'm 
guessing Monsanto/dupont etc. manufactures most peanuts grown as a 
crop, so they won't be good.

All we need to exist is Omega 6 fatty acids and Omega 3 fatty acids. 
The body manufactures every thing else from these two basics.



Angie got a bottle of it, awful stuff...
The fats are what makes peanut butter good and the fats are probably 
good for you. Science is finally starting to finally get its 
collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...
-Curt


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