Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
I think I would be complaining to Toyota too. Notwithstanding the fact that the vehicle is 10 years old, why would the evaporator be corroded? I had an 86 Chevy Suburban with dual air and had some trouble with the aluminum pipes under the vehicle being eaten by salt until I figured out a way to provide some protection to them but I never had any issues with the evaporator. I replaced the pipes twice at $300+ each time but it sure did not cost $3600. RB On 11/08/2015 2:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes wrote: My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna. The air conditioning in that mini-van lost its refrigerant. The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak. I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to us.” The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only said, “You can’t do that”. I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model. Does anybody have experience with this? Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle, work long term, with the back system blocked off? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
My favorite reply to You can't do that is, Just watch. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c Operative word here is Dealer... Take it to a well versed independent AC shop and have them put in a piece of line that bypasses the rear evap unit, then recharge the system. The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the coolant flow, most likely. One compressor feeds both evaporators. Two controls, one for each evap, right? A good AC shop should have no issues sorting it out. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna. The air conditioning in that mini-van lost its refrigerant. The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak. I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to us.” The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only said, “You can’t do that”. I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model. Does anybody have experience with this? Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle, work long term, with the back system blocked off? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz 06 – E320 CDI 95 – E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
A good AC shop can probably fix it for half what the dealership wanted or less... -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c Operative word here is Dealer... Take it to a well versed independent AC shop and have them put in a piece of line that bypasses the rear evap unit, then recharge the system. The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the coolant flow, most likely. One compressor feeds both evaporators. Two controls, one for each evap, right? A good AC shop should have no issues sorting it out. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna. The air conditioning in that mini-van lost its refrigerant. The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak. I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to us.” The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only said, “You can’t do that”. I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model. Does anybody have experience with this? Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle, work long term, with the back system blocked off? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz 06 – E320 CDI 95 – E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
Friends don't let friends drive a toada. get a dogde. They run 300 to 350k miles and the A/c works. I see no reason why you can't plug off the rear. Plug em and charge the remaining system. My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna. The air conditioning in that mini-van lost its refrigerant. The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak. I told the dealer Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to us. The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only said, You can't do that. I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model. Does anybody have experience with this? Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle, work long term, with the back system blocked off? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz 06 - E320 CDI 95 - E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
ATTABOY On Aug 11, 2015 5:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My favorite reply to You can't do that is, Just watch. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c Operative word here is Dealer... Take it to a well versed independent AC shop and have them put in a piece of line that bypasses the rear evap unit, then recharge the system. The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the coolant flow, most likely. One compressor feeds both evaporators. Two controls, one for each evap, right? A good AC shop should have no issues sorting it out. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna. The air conditioning in that mini-van lost its refrigerant. The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak. I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to us.” The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only said, “You can’t do that”. I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model. Does anybody have experience with this? Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle, work long term, with the back system blocked off? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz 06 – E320 CDI 95 – E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads
These will work http://jalopnik.com/watch-what-happens-when-you-use-iphones-as-brake-pads-1723214018 --R On 8/10/15 10:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: It is not the pads that need the breakin. It is the rotors. proper breakin coats the rotors evenly with the pad material which bonds to the rotor. hink the ceramic pads come already set by a baking process, read that over the weekend on one of the makers websites. Not sure if Akebono are same, I don't remember any special process when I installed them a few years ago. Just paid $45, I think OE from MB run about $70 or more. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Ephraim and The Mule
Gullah story told by Dick Reeves many years ago, about Ephraim and the Mule. Mr. Reeves can be credited with starting the movement to preserve the Gullah language. He worked tirelessly to see that it wasn't lost to history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdEi6TVAjP4 The Legares mentioned here are part of the family of a friend --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MAF-less
So, it was a successful robbery? --R On 8/10/15 9:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Arizona. Also lost about $500,000 in shop tools in the event... so it stings. Major reward posted.. perhaps they will be caught... likely it all went to Mexico. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna. The air conditioning in that mini-van lost its refrigerant. The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak. I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to us.” The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only said, “You can’t do that”. I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model. Does anybody have experience with this? Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle, work long term, with the back system blocked off? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz 06 – E320 CDI 95 – E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
Operative word here is Dealer... Take it to a well versed independent AC shop and have them put in a piece of line that bypasses the rear evap unit, then recharge the system. The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the coolant flow, most likely. One compressor feeds both evaporators. Two controls, one for each evap, right? A good AC shop should have no issues sorting it out. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna. The air conditioning in that mini-van lost its refrigerant. The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak. I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to us.” The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only said, “You can’t do that”. I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model. Does anybody have experience with this? Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle, work long term, with the back system blocked off? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz 06 – E320 CDI 95 – E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
'Certainly should be able to if the refrigerant lines to the rear evap are blocked/rerouted so as to isolate the rear evap from the system and the lines for the front evap are connected so as to provide a complete circuit only to/from the front evap. In '75 I added an AC evaporator to rear of a '75 Dodge; merely spliced T fittings into the refrig lines under the hood to send refrig to rear evap (Frigiking) in a parallel manner. If your evaps are in series, merely cut/block lines to rear and install a coupling to reroute the refrig back to compressor and condenser without gong to rear. Fill system as appropriate. You (I) can't do that too often means, I don't want to. Wilton - Original Message - From: ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 3:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna. The air conditioning in that mini-van lost its refrigerant. The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak. I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to us.” The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only said, “You can’t do that”. I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model. Does anybody have experience with this? Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle, work long term, with the back system blocked off? Thanks, Ned Kleinhenz 06 – E320 CDI 95 – E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This guy is my hero!
Yes I am with you on that. Maybe we should have some anti-pissus bumper stickers with star logo @ the Q. On Aug 11, 2015 8:14 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1103.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 130298 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20150811/9d4e1393/attachment.jpe -- next part -- Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Ephraim and The Mule
What happened to the end of the story? The audio dies around the five minute mark... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 11, 2015 1:37:42 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Gullah story told by Dick Reeves many years ago, about Ephraim and the Mule. Mr. Reeves can be credited with starting the movement to preserve the Gullah language. He worked tirelessly to see that it wasn't lost to history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdEi6TVAjP4 The Legares mentioned here are part of the family of a friend --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This guy is my hero!
Is that something like this: On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1103.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 130298 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20150811/9d4e1393/attachment.jpe -- next part -- Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
Most likely in parallel with expansion valve at each evap. like my '75 Dodge. I could run both at same time or either one independently - did so for about 17 years. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the coolant flow, most likely. Unlikely. Remember how AC works: it is not pumping cold fluid around, it is pumping HOT fluid around. The phase change that occurs at/after the expansion valve sucks the heat out of the environment. After the phase change the coolant is cold, but has little remaining heat-carrying capacity. My read on it is that there are TWO expansion valves, all is is wired in parallel. The compressor/condenser is sized up accordingly. But look it up for sure. -- Jim I think this is correct. either can run independently of the other, or both can run at the same time, or both can be off. Plug off the in and out of the bad evap and charge what is left. The trick is how much is a full charge. Sight glass is the key for this deal. Scale won't help, other than to determine how much actually went in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
G Mann wrote: The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the coolant flow, most likely. Jim wrote: Unlikely. My read on it is that there are TWO expansion valves, all is is wired in parallel. The compressor/condenser is sized up accordingly. That's how my Suburban with rear A/C works. Two valves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
Curly, I stand corrected. Your verbal diagram is the more likely arrangement. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the coolant flow, most likely. Unlikely. Remember how AC works: it is not pumping cold fluid around, it is pumping HOT fluid around. The phase change that occurs at/after the expansion valve sucks the heat out of the environment. After the phase change the coolant is cold, but has little remaining heat-carrying capacity. My read on it is that there are TWO expansion valves, all is is wired in parallel. The compressor/condenser is sized up accordingly. But look it up for sure. -- Jim I think this is correct. either can run independently of the other, or both can run at the same time, or both can be off. Plug off the in and out of the bad evap and charge what is left. The trick is how much is a full charge. Sight glass is the key for this deal. Scale won't help, other than to determine how much actually went in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] This guy is my hero!
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
Uh, I think that was Jim, whom I quoted. Curly, I stand corrected. Your verbal diagram is the more likely arrangement. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Unlikely. Remember how AC works: it is not pumping cold fluid around, it is pumping HOT fluid around. The phase change that occurs at/after the expansion valve sucks the heat out of the environment. After the phase change the coolant is cold, but has little remaining heat-carrying capacity. My read on it is that there are TWO expansion valves, all is is wired in parallel. The compressor/condenser is sized up accordingly. But look it up for sure. -- Jim I think this is correct. either can run independently of the other, or both can run at the same time, or both can be off. Plug off the in and out of the bad evap and charge what is left. The trick is how much is a full charge. Sight glass is the key for this deal. Scale won't help, other than to determine how much actually went in. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
