Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

I think I would be complaining to Toyota too.
Notwithstanding the fact that the vehicle is 10 years old, why would the 
evaporator be corroded?
I had an 86 Chevy Suburban with dual air and had some trouble with the 
aluminum pipes under the vehicle being eaten by salt until I figured out 
a way to provide some protection to them but I never had any issues with 
the evaporator.
I replaced the pipes twice at $300+ each time but it sure did not cost 
$3600.


RB

On 11/08/2015 2:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes wrote:

My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna.  The air conditioning in that mini-van
lost its refrigerant.  The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the
corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak.
  I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to
us.”  The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only
said, “You can’t do that”.


I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off
the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model.  Does anybody have
experience with this?  Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle,
work long term, with the back system blocked off?


Thanks,

Ned Kleinhenz





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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

My favorite reply to You can't do that is, Just watch.

Wilton

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Operative word here is Dealer...

Take it to a well versed independent AC shop and have them put in a piece
of line that bypasses the rear evap unit, then recharge the system.

The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the
coolant flow, most likely. One compressor feeds both evaporators. Two
controls, one for each evap, right?

A good AC shop should have no issues sorting it out.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna.  The air conditioning in that 
mini-van

lost its refrigerant.  The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the
corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the 
leak.

 I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to
us.”  The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only
said, “You can’t do that”.


I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off
the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model.  Does anybody have
experience with this?  Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator 
vehicle,

work long term, with the back system blocked off?


Thanks,

Ned Kleinhenz

06 – E320 CDI
95 – E300D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
A good AC shop can probably fix it for half what the dealership wanted or 
less...
-Curt
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 Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
   
Operative word here is Dealer...

Take it to a well versed independent AC shop and have them put in a piece
of line that bypasses the rear evap unit, then recharge the system.

The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the
coolant flow, most likely. One compressor feeds both evaporators. Two
controls, one for each evap, right?

A good AC shop should have no issues sorting it out.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna.  The air conditioning in that mini-van
 lost its refrigerant.  The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the
 corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak.
  I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to
 us.”  The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only
 said, “You can’t do that”.


 I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off
 the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model.  Does anybody have
 experience with this?  Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle,
 work long term, with the back system blocked off?


 Thanks,

 Ned Kleinhenz

 06 – E320 CDI
 95 – E300D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Friends don't let friends drive a toada.

get a dogde.  They run 300 to 350k miles and the A/c works.

I see no reason why you can't plug off the rear.  Plug em and charge 
the remaining system.




My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna.  The air conditioning in that mini-van
lost its refrigerant.  The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the
corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak.
 I told the dealer Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to
us.  The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only
said, You can't do that.


I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off
the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model.  Does anybody have
experience with this?  Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle,
work long term, with the back system blocked off?


Thanks,

Ned Kleinhenz

06 - E320 CDI
95 - E300D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
ATTABOY
On Aug 11, 2015 5:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 My favorite reply to You can't do that is, Just watch.

 Wilton

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 Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c


 Operative word here is Dealer...

 Take it to a well versed independent AC shop and have them put in a piece
 of line that bypasses the rear evap unit, then recharge the system.

 The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the
 coolant flow, most likely. One compressor feeds both evaporators. Two
 controls, one for each evap, right?

 A good AC shop should have no issues sorting it out.

 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna.  The air conditioning in that
 mini-van
 lost its refrigerant.  The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the
 corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the
 leak.
  I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to
 us.”  The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only
 said, “You can’t do that”.


 I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off
 the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model.  Does anybody have
 experience with this?  Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator
 vehicle,
 work long term, with the back system blocked off?


 Thanks,

 Ned Kleinhenz

 06 – E320 CDI
 95 – E300D
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Re: [MBZ] Ceramic Brake Pads

2015-08-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

These will work

http://jalopnik.com/watch-what-happens-when-you-use-iphones-as-brake-pads-1723214018

--R

On 8/10/15 10:23 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
It is not the pads that need the breakin.  It is the rotors.  proper 
breakin coats the rotors evenly with the pad material which bonds to 
the rotor.



hink the ceramic pads come already set by a baking process, read 
that over the weekend on one of the makers websites.  Not sure if 
Akebono are same, I don't remember any special process when I 
installed them a few years ago.


Just paid $45, I think OE from MB run about $70 or more.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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'95 E300


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[MBZ] OT Ephraim and The Mule

2015-08-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Gullah story told by Dick Reeves many years ago, about Ephraim and the 
Mule. Mr. Reeves can be credited with starting the movement to preserve 
the Gullah language. He worked tirelessly to see that it wasn't lost to 
history.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdEi6TVAjP4

The Legares mentioned here are part of the family of a friend

--R


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Re: [MBZ] MAF-less

2015-08-11 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

So, it was a successful robbery?

--R



On 8/10/15 9:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Arizona.

Also lost about $500,000 in shop tools in the event... so it stings. Major
reward posted.. perhaps they will be caught... likely it all went to Mexico.



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[MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread ned kleinhenz via Mercedes
My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna.  The air conditioning in that mini-van
lost its refrigerant.  The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the
corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak.
 I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to
us.”  The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only
said, “You can’t do that”.


I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off
the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model.  Does anybody have
experience with this?  Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle,
work long term, with the back system blocked off?


Thanks,

Ned Kleinhenz

06 – E320 CDI
95 – E300D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Operative word here is Dealer...

Take it to a well versed independent AC shop and have them put in a piece
of line that bypasses the rear evap unit, then recharge the system.

The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the
coolant flow, most likely. One compressor feeds both evaporators. Two
controls, one for each evap, right?

A good AC shop should have no issues sorting it out.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna.  The air conditioning in that mini-van
 lost its refrigerant.  The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the
 corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the leak.
  I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to
 us.”  The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only
 said, “You can’t do that”.


 I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off
 the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model.  Does anybody have
 experience with this?  Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator vehicle,
 work long term, with the back system blocked off?


 Thanks,

 Ned Kleinhenz

 06 – E320 CDI
 95 – E300D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Certainly should be able to if the refrigerant lines to the rear evap are 
blocked/rerouted so as to isolate the rear evap from the system and the 
lines for the front evap are connected so as to provide a complete circuit 
only to/from the front evap.


In '75 I added an AC evaporator to rear of a '75 Dodge; merely spliced T 
fittings into the refrig lines under the hood to send refrig to rear evap 
(Frigiking) in a parallel manner.
If your evaps are in series, merely cut/block lines to rear and install a 
coupling to reroute the refrig back to compressor and condenser without gong 
to rear.

Fill system as appropriate.

You (I) can't do that too often means, I don't want to.

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c


My wife drives a 2006 Toyota Sienna.  The air conditioning in that 
mini-van

lost its refrigerant.  The Toyota dealer wanted $3,595 to replace the
corroded rear evaporator and rear refrigerant lines needed to fix the 
leak.

I told the dealer “Air conditioning is nice, but not worth that much to
us.”  The dealer refused to block off the rear air conditioner, and only
said, “You can’t do that”.


I see there are several sources of special tubing plugs used to block off
the rear air conditioning of this mini-van model.  Does anybody have
experience with this?  Can the front A/C system of dual evaporator 
vehicle,

work long term, with the back system blocked off?


Thanks,

Ned Kleinhenz

06 – E320 CDI
95 – E300D
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Re: [MBZ] This guy is my hero!

2015-08-11 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes I am with you on that. Maybe we should have some anti-pissus bumper
stickers with star logo @ the Q.
On Aug 11, 2015 8:14 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT Ephraim and The Mule

2015-08-11 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
What happened to the end of the story?  The audio dies around the five minute 
mark...
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 11, 2015 1:37:42 PM EDT, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Gullah story told by Dick Reeves many years ago, about Ephraim and the 
Mule. Mr. Reeves can be credited with starting the movement to preserve

the Gullah language. He worked tirelessly to see that it wasn't lost to

history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdEi6TVAjP4

The Legares mentioned here are part of the family of a friend

--R


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Re: [MBZ] This guy is my hero!

2015-08-11 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Is that something like this:




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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Most likely in parallel with expansion valve at each evap. like my '75 
Dodge.  I could run both at same time or either one independently - did so 
for about 17 years.


Wilton

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The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the
coolant flow, most likely.


Unlikely.  Remember how AC works: it is not pumping cold fluid around,
it is pumping HOT fluid around.  The phase change that occurs at/after
the expansion valve sucks the heat out of the environment.  After the
phase change the coolant is cold, but has little remaining heat-carrying
capacity.  My read on it is that there are TWO expansion valves, all is
is wired in parallel.  The compressor/condenser is sized up accordingly.

But look it up for sure.

-- Jim



I think this is correct.  either can run independently of the other, or 
both can run at the same time, or both can be off.


Plug off the in and out of the bad evap and charge what is left.  The 
trick is how much is a full charge.  Sight glass is the key for this deal. 
Scale won't help, other than to determine how much actually went in.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
  G Mann wrote:
  
  The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as
  far as the coolant flow, most likely.

 Jim wrote:
 
 Unlikely.

 My read on it is that there are TWO expansion
 valves, all is is wired in parallel.  The
 compressor/condenser is sized up accordingly.

That's how my Suburban with rear A/C works.  Two valves.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Curly, I stand corrected. Your verbal diagram is the more likely
arrangement.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 The rear unit is plumbed in series with the front unit as far as the
 coolant flow, most likely.


 Unlikely.  Remember how AC works: it is not pumping cold fluid around,
 it is pumping HOT fluid around.  The phase change that occurs at/after
 the expansion valve sucks the heat out of the environment.  After the
 phase change the coolant is cold, but has little remaining heat-carrying
 capacity.  My read on it is that there are TWO expansion valves, all is
 is wired in parallel.  The compressor/condenser is sized up accordingly.

 But look it up for sure.

 -- Jim



 I think this is correct.  either can run independently of the other, or
 both can run at the same time, or both can be off.

 Plug off the in and out of the bad evap and charge what is left.  The
 trick is how much is a full charge.  Sight glass is the key for this deal.
 Scale won't help, other than to determine how much actually went in.

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[MBZ] This guy is my hero!

2015-08-11 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c

2015-08-11 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Uh, I think that was Jim, whom I quoted.


Curly, I stand corrected. Your verbal diagram is the more likely
arrangement.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 


 Unlikely.  Remember how AC works: it is not pumping cold fluid around,
 it is pumping HOT fluid around.  The phase change that occurs at/after
 the expansion valve sucks the heat out of the environment.  After the
 phase change the coolant is cold, but has little remaining heat-carrying
 capacity.  My read on it is that there are TWO expansion valves, all is
 is wired in parallel.  The compressor/condenser is sized up accordingly.

 But look it up for sure.

 -- Jim




 I think this is correct.  either can run independently of the other, or
 both can run at the same time, or both can be off.

 Plug off the in and out of the bad evap and charge what is left.  The
 trick is how much is a full charge.  Sight glass is the key for this deal.

  Scale won't help, other than to determine how much actually went in.
 


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