Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

I am sure in India and in china they have small cheap diesel 
generators.  Our wunnerful goobers are undoubtedly blocking import of 
such useful things.




I've seen a few 3600 rpm Made in China units for around $1700 IIRC, or
a little cheaper than a contractor grade Subaru gasser.
I'm actually considering buying this one used, but it would be cheaper
to just put a propane carb on my old 1800rpm Powerchief and run it
on $1 a gallon fuel from my 500 gallon tank.
http://jxn.craigslist.org/tls/5321913060.html

Maybe a milsurp 120/240v diesel would be handy, just make sure it's
single phase.
http://lansing.craigslist.org/for/5294562142.html


I think I'd rather have a nice Mercedes with 100,000 miles on it:
http://saginaw.craigslist.org/grd/5305625713.html

Maybe Dan could power his HOA with 150kw 3 phase?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/for/5322055955.html

Hmm, there's a little Honda inverter for $250 in Ionia.
I already have too many generators though. Mike Esh?
http://lansing.craigslist.org/tls/5322814571.html


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 01:23:56 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure octane, its
> more like naptha ...

I learned not all that long ago that it's "naphtha", pronounced naf-thuh
because of the "h" after the "p".


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in thePoosneighborhood

2015-11-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Probably in the "eye" and whatever else of the beholder.   '<)

Wilton

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From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in 
thePoosneighborhood



Now, is that an over-generalization?  Are ALL butts ugly, or is it just 
certain butts that are ugly?   ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the 
Poosneighborhood




I don't blame the HOA.  That truck is butt-ugly.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be

outlawed. Luckily, our


airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.

Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good 
location. I need a couple more installed for future lifts and air 
compressor. I have a couple of blank boxes in the shop with no 
outlets in them. One has heavy wires and is in a better location but 
still need one or 2 more. Does this appear to be wired for 220 and 
all I need to do is install the outlet? How do I wire in additional 
outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do it.


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Pay my way there and I'll do it for ya.   Trade ya labor fer paatz

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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Get in the car and drive down, you can haul a load of parts back with you. My 
shop is kind of retarded. So the walk in door is at 1 end, the breaker box is 
at the other and this is where they also located the light switches, right next 
to the breaker box. The 220 or 240 outlet whatever you call, which is 50 amp 
btw is also right next to the breaker box. This is a good spot to say plug in a 
welder or something but the huge air compressor is right in the way there. I 
want to locate it in a corner on the other side of the shop but need an outlet 
there. The empty box with what appears to be about 10-12 gauge wires is close 
to the walk in door, but not really in the corner where I want to put the 
compressor. That other empty box with the lighter gauge wires is in the perfect 
spot but I think it's 110 type wires. I also really need to have a light switch 
put in by the door, I guess in addition to or relocate the ones by the breaker 
box. In the box there is at least 1 maybe 2 empty spots fo
 r breakers. Does each outlet have to have its own breaker or can 2 use the 
same breaker? 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I 
>> need a couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have a 
>> couple of blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has heavy 
>> wires and is in a better location but still need one or 2 more. Does this 
>> appear to be wired for 220 and all I need to do is install the outlet? How 
>> do I wire in additional outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Pay my way there and I'll do it for ya.   Trade ya labor fer paatz
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Well one of you guys need to. I'm thinking this is not rocket science and would 
probably be easy since it is a shop and everything is exposed and easy to get 
to.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:45:05 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>>> I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good 
>>> location. I need a couple more installed for future lifts and air 
>>> compressor. I have a couple of blank boxes in the shop with no 
>>> outlets in them. One has heavy wires and is in a better location but 
>>> still need one or 2 more. Does this appear to be wired for 220 and 
>>> all I need to do is install the outlet? How do I wire in additional 
>>> outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Pay my way there and I'll do it for ya.   Trade ya labor fer paatz
> 
> Or wait until I come through on my way to Indiana in a month or two and
> I'll do it for you.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poosneighborhood

2015-11-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

On the subject of butts, here is a true story:

Right after WW-2 hotel rooms were expensive, so salesmen on regular intercity 
routes would often arrange for rooms in private homes.
This salesman I knew had rented a room from a widow who had some kind of big 
German dog. The dog was introduced to the salesman, remembered his scent, and 
if he came to the house after the widow had gone to bed, the dog would stick 
its narrow nose between his legs and raise it sharply, checking his scent. 
He could then go safely back to the sleeping room.

The widow had installed a baby gate across the hall leading to the rental room 
and bath, and the salesman was told to be sure and close the baby gate after 
entering so the well trained dog wouldn't follow and 
bother him.

This worked well until he came in one night a little soused, forgot to close 
the baby gate, and was getting the tub ready for a bath.
He was naked and bending over the tub when the dog came silently up behind him, 
stuck its nose between his legs and raised it sharply.

He "dove" into the bathtub and nearly dislocated his shoulder. 
He never forgot to close the baby gate again.
The only reason the dog "checked him out" must have been that she had never 
seen him nude before and thought it might be someone else.

Gerry 
~~~

> Now, is that an over-generalization?  Are ALL butts ugly, or is it just 
> certain butts that are ugly?   ;<)
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the 
> Poosneighborhood
> 
> 
> >I don't blame the HOA.  That truck is butt-ugly.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be
> >>> outlawed. Luckily, our
> >>>
> >> airpark is free range.
> >>
> >> If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
> >> sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.
> >>
> >> Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
> >> daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
> >> Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
> >> city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
> >> backyards of 12 or 15 houses
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
I bought it on Amazon but all the Dong Ching generators are about the 
same. Mine is the 1200w, I think I paid $120.


I have one of those 800W HF things.  $99, still in the box.
I was thinking of it as a trunk accessory in case of trouble
on the road.


You can get canned high octane nonoxygenated (and therefore non-decomposing)
premix for around $6-8 a quart. Not something you want to pay for every
month, but worth every penny if you keep a chainsaw for emergencies, or
a 2 stroke generator.

http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?partNumber=49907-442-6525638

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
When we had hurricanes back in 2004 I rented out 100’ extension cords on my 
cul-de-sac for $100/each.

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe Dan could power his HOA with 150kw 3 phase?
> http://annarbor.craigslist.org/for/5322055955.html
> 


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Re: [MBZ] amoco white gas

2015-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
My uncle was into camping at the lake, take the tent and boat and all 
the other crap, spend a weekend or a week.  He would always go buy some 
white gas for the lanterns and stove, and maybe the boat too.  I 
remember the gas station had a separate pump for it, marked "white 
gas."  I never understood exactly what it was, but it smelled a lot 
different from regular gasoline and was pretty much clear.


--R

On 11/21/15 3:47 AM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote:

folks

amoco white gas as sold in SC and georgia in the 60's and 70's was high test 
and lead free

i always ran it in coleman stoves without problems

here's what wikipedia says:

American Oil chose to continue marketing its premium-grade "Amoco-Gas" (later Amoco 
Super-Premium) as a lead-free gasoline by using aromatics rather than tetraethyllead to increase 
octane levels, decades before the environmental movement of the early 1970s led to more stringent 
auto-emission controls which ultimately mandated the universal phase out of leaded gasoline. The 
"Amoco" lead-free gasoline was sold at American's stations in the eastern and southern 
U.S. alongside American Regular gasoline, which was a leaded fuel. Lead-free Amoco was introduced 
in the Indiana Standard marketing area in 1970.[6


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins

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www.javacycles.com
LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE
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[MBZ] Good movie

2015-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I watched "Winning" about Paul Newman's racing career on Amazon the 
other night.  It was pretty good.  He was a very good driver and seemed 
like a very decent guy too.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Andrew sez: That's so they can be home with their constituents 
learning what Real

Americans want and need.

The secret reason for the death of bipartisanship is that few Congesspeople
live in DC anymore so they don't socialize with one another.


Oh!  You mean like Senator Bahama Tom Harkin (D, Bahamas)?   He 
didn't even live in the country!  His "constituents" were not 
residents of his "District"


Thankfully he is out of the senate now, but I am sure he is not the exception.

(For those of you in Rio Linda, the Bahamas are a member of the 
British Commonwealth (Former Brit territory), not a US territory)


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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the Poosneighborhood

2015-11-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Now, is that an over-generalization?  Are ALL butts ugly, or is it just 
certain butts that are ugly?   ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the 
Poosneighborhood




I don't blame the HOA.  That truck is butt-ugly.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be

outlawed. Luckily, our


airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has to
sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.

Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory)  However, when my
daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get the
city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in thePoosneighborhood

2015-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

I have seen some that I found not at all ugly...

--R

On 11/21/15 10:28 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

'Probably in the "eye" and whatever else of the beholder.   '<)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in 
thePoosneighborhood



Now, is that an over-generalization?  Are ALL butts ugly, or is it 
just certain butts that are ugly? ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in 
the Poosneighborhood




I don't blame the HOA.  That truck is butt-ugly.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be

outlawed. Luckily, our


airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer 
has to

sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.

Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory) However, 
when my

daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get 
the

city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in thePoosneighborhood

2015-11-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Welcome aboard!

Wilton

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To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in 
thePoosneighborhood




I have seen some that I found not at all ugly...

--R

On 11/21/15 10:28 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

'Probably in the "eye" and whatever else of the beholder.   '<)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 


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Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in 
thePoosneighborhood



Now, is that an over-generalization?  Are ALL butts ugly, or is it just 
certain butts that are ugly? ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in the 
Poosneighborhood




I don't blame the HOA.  That truck is butt-ugly.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be

outlawed. Luckily, our


airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer has 
to

sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered self-inflicted.

Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory) However, when 
my

daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to sign.
Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to get 
the

city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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[MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I need a 
couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have a couple of 
blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has heavy wires and is in 
a better location but still need one or 2 more. Does this appear to be wired 
for 220 and all I need to do is install the outlet? How do I wire in additional 
outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do it.

Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] OT - How women must feel at the FLAPS

2015-11-21 Thread clay via Mercedes
http://www.ehowa.com/showpicture.shtml?image=callingforbackup.jpg

Sometimes I get the same confusion in the oil aisle


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Just sent the photos I forgot to send. Yes I have a volt meter. In the breaker 
box I do have 2 sets of double pole breakers. One probably goes to the 220 
outlet and maybe the other one goes to this box. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:17 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 'Sounds like it'd be better to call a pro, but meanwhile, can we see, at 
> least, a photo of the "heavy" wires in that box?
> Ya have a volt meter?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 1:08 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] 220 outlets
> 
> 
>> I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I 
>> need a couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have a 
>> couple of blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has heavy 
>> wires and is in a better location but still need one or 2 more. Does this 
>> appear to be wired for 220 and all I need to do is install the outlet? How 
>> do I wire in additional outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:45:05 -0600 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> >I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good 
> >location. I need a couple more installed for future lifts and air 
> >compressor. I have a couple of blank boxes in the shop with no 
> >outlets in them. One has heavy wires and is in a better location but 
> >still need one or 2 more. Does this appear to be wired for 220 and 
> >all I need to do is install the outlet? How do I wire in additional 
> >outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do it.
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Pay my way there and I'll do it for ya.   Trade ya labor fer paatz

Or wait until I come through on my way to Indiana in a month or two and
I'll do it for you.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes




Jim Sez:  I have one of those 800W HF things.  $99, still in the box.
I was thinking of it as a trunk accessory in case of trouble
on the road.

Filled up all 3 forklift tanks today.  $62.  Each little tank
is like burning a $20 bill.  Lasts only a little longer, too!  :-)

More laundry today, we're watching a movie, taking showers,
catching up on the intertubes...

Tomorrow I'm going to try the $6 Tecumseh carb rebuild kit I
got today, see if I can resurrect one of the two rope-pulls.
The Briggs in the other one is a different story, according
to the parts counter people.

I hate gasoline, and gasoline motors.

-- Jim


Hear, Here!   (concerning the last line of Jim's post)

I am sure in India and in china they have small cheap diesel 
generators.  Our wunnerful goobers are undoubtedly blocking import of 
such useful things.


Anybody spent time in remote areas of  India or China to confirm this?

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Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in thePoosneighborhood

2015-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Welcome abroad!

--R

On 11/21/15 10:40 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Welcome aboard!

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 


To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in 
thePoosneighborhood




I have seen some that I found not at all ugly...

--R

On 11/21/15 10:28 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

'Probably in the "eye" and whatever else of the beholder.   '<)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in 
thePoosneighborhood



Now, is that an over-generalization? Are ALL butts ugly, or is it 
just certain butts that are ugly? ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This sounds like something that would happen in 
the Poosneighborhood




I don't blame the HOA.  That truck is butt-ugly.

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:07 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Okie Donn sez:  I think HOAs are un-constitutional, and need to be

outlawed. Luckily, our


airpark is free range.

If the HOA was forced on you, you'd be right.  However the buyer 
has to
sign off acceptance of the terms, so it is considered 
self-inflicted.


Nobody makes you buy a house with a HOA.   (in theory) However, 
when my
daughter bought her house, there was no HOA agreement she had to 
sign.
Fortunately her HOA is pretty benign.  This year they worked to 
get the

city and an adjoining landowner to remove a homeless camp behind the
backyards of 12 or 15 houses


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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Sounds like it'd be better to call a pro, but meanwhile, can we see, at 
least, a photo of the "heavy" wires in that box?

Ya have a volt meter?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 1:08 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 220 outlets


I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I 
need a couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have a 
couple of blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has heavy 
wires and is in a better location but still need one or 2 more. Does this 
appear to be wired for 220 and all I need to do is install the outlet? How 
do I wire in additional outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do 
it.


Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I had a 25kW LP powered generator at my other house.  No HOA regulations 
affected it, and to be honest there’s no way they could restrict or prevent 
something like it.  That’s more of a code issue than anything else.

And it was quiet, too.  Quieter than my 5 ton AC unit.

I liked how my neighbors would call me up when there was an outage and ask if 
my power was out. “Nope, no problems here.  Why, is your power out?”

Confused the hell out of them until they realized I had a standby generator.

Dan


> On Nov 21, 2015, at 1:02 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Is J Cathey in Seattle?
> 
> Spokane.  Hard to get 20 acres in Seattle!  I wonder if a HOA
> would prohibit a generator big enough to run several houses?
> 
> I heard there were some 300,000 customers without power at
> the peak aftermath of this windstorm.  Pretty sure that 130,000
> were in the Spokane area.  Still dark here, but more lights are
> on than before, looking across the valley.
> 
> Chainsaws and generators are getting quite the workout in
> this area these days...
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

I am sure in India and in china they have small cheap diesel 
generators.  Our wunnerful goobers are undoubtedly blocking import 
of such useful things.




I've seen a few 3600 rpm Made in China units for around $1700 IIRC, or
a little cheaper than a contractor grade Subaru gasser.
I'm actually considering buying this one used, but it would be cheaper
to just put a propane carb on my old 1800rpm Powerchief and run it
on $1 a gallon fuel from my 500 gallon tank.
http://jxn.craigslist.org/tls/5321913060.html

Maybe a milsurp 120/240v diesel would be handy, just make sure it's
single phase.
http://lansing.craigslist.org/for/5294562142.html


I think I'd rather have a nice Mercedes with 100,000 miles on it:
http://saginaw.craigslist.org/grd/5305625713.html

Maybe Dan could power his HOA with 150kw 3 phase?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/for/5322055955.html

Hmm, there's a little Honda inverter for $250 in Ionia.
I already have too many generators though. Mike Esh?
http://lansing.craigslist.org/tls/5322814571.html



THE ONE GOOD THING ABOUT GASOLINE GENERATORS is that they can be 
converted to natural gas or LP gas.


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Re: [MBZ] in praise of 4 wheel drive

2015-11-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
My theory is district gerrymandering results in the most extreme candidate 
winning, either party. 
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 20, 2015 11:33:30 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>That's so they can be home with their constituents learning what Real
>Americans want and need.
>
>The secret reason for the death of bipartisanship is that few
>Congesspeople
>live in DC anymore so they don't socialize with one another.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Way to go, gouger!

--R

On 11/21/15 9:15 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

When we had hurricanes back in 2004 I rented out 100’ extension cords on my 
cul-de-sac for $100/each.

Dan



On Nov 21, 2015, at 9:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

Maybe Dan could power his HOA with 150kw 3 phase?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/for/5322055955.html



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[MBZ] Fwd: 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Here are the photos






Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Date: November 21, 2015 at 12:08:35 PM CST
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: 220 outlets
> 
> I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I need 
> a couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have a couple 
> of blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has heavy wires and 
> is in a better location but still need one or 2 more. Does this appear to be 
> wired for 220 and all I need to do is install the outlet? How do I wire in 
> additional outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT - How women must feel at the FLAPS

2015-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

clay via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.ehowa.com/showpicture.shtml?image=callingforbackup.jpg

Sometimes I get the same confusion in the oil aisle


https://www.pinterest.com/pin/239676011392813773/

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Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch, almost final

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Finally got the oil in the fan clutch.

I followed this instruction after wasting time and torch with the 
method of trying to get it in where the pin goes behind the bimetal 
thermostat.


http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w163-m-class/1583106-ml-320-fan-clutch-repair.html

I drilled a 3/16 hole.  Got a 12cc syringe, sans needle from the 
pharmacy, sanded down the end a little to fit the 3/16 hole, put in 
8cc, shot it in.  Put in 10cc and shot that in.  it was starting to 
air bubble out of the hole the pin goes in, so I figured it probably 
had enough.  I plugged the hole with a #10 x 3/8 sheet metal screw, 
with a drop of red loctite, because that was what I had.


Have not been able to test it yet.  The car fired right up, but now 
acts like it is starved for fuel, so it is plugged in.  It was fine 
before everything froze.  Either bad fuel or water frozen somewhere 
(bad fuel)


Final report after I get to drive it around and make sure it keeps its cool!



 > Curly wrote:
 >
 > Uh Oh!  I just found out the toada stuff is 3000 cst, not

 10,000cst, but if you put enough in, it will work.


A quick search found these links.  I have no idea if this is
what you need, or if it is the quantity you need.

60ml for $4.12
http://www.hobbypartz.com/17p-10020.html

100 ml for $20
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HUDY-Ultimate-Silicone-Shock-Damper-Oil-3000-cSt-100ML-RC-Car-HSP-106431-/131007064255

4 oz [118 ml] $6.80
http://www.bonesmotorsports.com/Bones-Motorsports-3000-cst-Diff-Oil_p_61.html

2 oz [59 ml] $6.50, free shipping
www.amazon.com/Team-Associated-Factory-Silicone-Differential/dp/B000SLOW6E/


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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 09:13:02 -0500 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > I am sure in India and in china they have small cheap diesel 
> > generators.  Our wunnerful goobers are undoubtedly blocking import of 
> > such useful things.
> > 
> 
> I've seen a few 3600 rpm Made in China units for around $1700 IIRC, or
> a little cheaper than a contractor grade Subaru gasser.

3600 RPM:  http://ezapu.com/DieselGenerators.aspx
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Lombardini-4000-Watt-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=Lombardini_4kw


1800 RPM:
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Slow-Turning-Kohler-5kW-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=yanmar_4kw



Or maybe you want something more whole-house oriented:
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Super-Quiet-Long-Run-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=3930
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Perkins-6-kW-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=P6125

This one has a Kolher engine, but the oil change interval is only 100
hours:
   
http://www.centralmainediesel.com/order/Kohler-Diesel-6500-Watt-Diesel-Generator.asp?page=Y6875


Or, if you want to see all that Central Maine Diesel offers:
   http://www.centralmainediesel.com/


If you want to roll your own, consider,

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BOATS-SAILBOATS-YANMAR-2V750-DIESEL-ENGINE-NEW-IN-BOX-NEVER-USED-/151886563714?hash=item235d250982:g:uzgAAOSwWnFWCpoU=mtr

or

http://www.ebay.com/itm/YANMAR-2V750-DIESEL-ENGINE-EXMARK-GATOR-GEN-GRASSHOPPER-SAILBOAT-ZERO-TURN-/151886557271?hash=item235d24f057:g:uzgAAOSwWnFWCpoU=mtr



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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:57:01 -0600
fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > > Gerry wrote:
> > >
> > > Years ago we used Amoco "white gas",
> 
> > Curt wrote:
> > 
> > White gas is the same thing as camping fuel and is not pure
> > octane,

> Fmiser wrote:
> I think Gerry is referring to the Amoco premium gasoline that
> was water clear rather than kinda brownish like most
> gasoline.
  
Right. People called it white gas and I seem to remember that it could be used 
in gasoline lanterns.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
OM606 turbo from a '98 or '99 E300.  Keep the mechanical injection pump and the 
transmission in the recipient, take the engine with turbo and intercooler from 
the donor.  Nice power bump.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 21, 2015 4:34:51 PM EST, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What else could drop in there to replace the lump?
>
>--R
>
>On 11/21/15 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5322335421.html
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Re: [MBZ] Good movie

2015-11-21 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
I met him and his wife once and they were just nice people.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
Thomas via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 7:23 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Rich Thomas
Subject: [MBZ] Good movie

I watched "Winning" about Paul Newman's racing career on Amazon the 
other night.  It was pretty good.  He was a very good driver and seemed 
like a very decent guy too.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Maybe a milsurp 120/240v diesel would be handy, just make sure it's
single phase.


You can rewire most 3-phase units zigzag for single-phase.
The unit is derated, of course.  Our 40kW 3-phase unit is
26kW zigzag, as it is currently wired.  Doesn't matter, we're
limited by the 40A (or 50A) breaker we feed the house through.
The genny is 140A, it doesn't really even notice the load.

Our power just came back on.  So 'generator hero' really wasn't,
I haven't got the little ones, which we rely mostly upon, working
again yet.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
Or mebbe a GM 3800 V-6?  The displacement's about right...

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> OM602 or 603 from a 300D or SDL would be the logical thing.  OM606 if ya
> find one.
>
> Didn't Kaleb have that odd goobermnt surplus OM603?  Maybe from a unimog?
>
>
> THen there's the SBC, or hemi or Cleveland Frod options   ...perkins...
>
>
>
> What else could drop in there to replace the lump?
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 11/21/15 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5322335421.html
>>>
>>> _
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
ps we are in Nowata

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When ya gonna be home next week?  (turkey day week)  It might work...
> 
> You can move the switches, or change to 3 way and run a wire from the current 
> to the additional switches.  If the picture I can't see has wires connected 
> to the double breaker, then it is a 220 circuit. 120V should have a black, a 
> white and a green.  Most residential 220/240 has the same.  the white is used 
> in  place of the red.  Good color coding would be black, red, green for a 
> 220/240v single phase, and it may have a white also to keep the common.
> 
> You can put more than one outlet on a breaker, but for 240 V major users, the 
> best practices is to have one outlet per breaker.  Same for dishwasher, air 
> cond, etc.
> 
> If you need more spaces, you can get piggyback breakers or half width 
> breakers to get more 120V circuits in the same box, freeing up spaces for 
> 240V doubles.
> 
> Your old place would not have been too much out of the way.  If I remember 
> right, you are close to Ponca City now.  SE of Ponca?  I'd have to figure out 
> the route to get there.
> 
> 
>> Get in the car and drive down, you can haul a load of parts back with you. 
>> My shop is kind of retarded. So the walk in door is at 1 end, the breaker 
>> box is at the other and this is where they also located the light switches, 
>> right next to the breaker box. The 220 or 240 outlet whatever you call, 
>> which is 50 amp btw is also right next to the breaker box. This is a good 
>> spot to say plug in a welder or something but the huge air compressor is 
>> right in the way there. I want to locate it in a corner on the other side of 
>> the shop but need an outlet there. The empty box with what appears to be 
>> about 10-12 gauge wires is close to the walk in door, but not really in the 
>> corner where I want to put the compressor. That other empty box with the 
>> lighter gauge wires is in the perfect spot but I think it's 110 type wires. 
>> I also really need to have a light switch put in by the door, I guess in 
>> addition to or relocate the ones by the breaker box. In the box there is at 
>> least 1 maybe 2 empty spots
  for breakers. Does each outlet have to have its own breaker or can 2 use the 
same breaker?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
 I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I 
 need a couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have a 
 couple of blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has heavy 
 wires and is in a better location but still need one or 2 more. Does this 
 appear to be wired for 220 and all I need to do is install the outlet? How 
 do I wire in additional outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do 
 it.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > Pay my way there and I'll do it for ya.   Trade ya labor fer paatz
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I
> need a couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have a
> couple of blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has heavy
> wires and is in a better location but still need one or 2 more. Does this
> appear to be wired for 220 and all I need to do is install the outlet?
>

You'll have to test it.  Touch the bare ends of the wire to your tongue,
like a 9v battery.*

-MMM-

*Disclaimer:  Don't actually do this.
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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5322335421.html



"ENGINE DUMPED IT'S OIL, SELF DESTRUCTED"

Translation:  I'm a moron, so I'll blame the engine.
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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
OM602 or 603 from a 300D or SDL would be the logical thing.  OM606 if 
ya find one.


Didn't Kaleb have that odd goobermnt surplus OM603?  Maybe from a unimog?


THen there's the SBC, or hemi or Cleveland Frod options   ...perkins...



What else could drop in there to replace the lump?

--R

On 11/21/15 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5322335421.html

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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Yep; '91 350SDL (126); timing chain broke at 79 kmi; new chain and buncha 
stuff.  Then I drove it another ~125-130 kmi (don't remember 'zackly) 'til 
engine crapped out again.


Tim Crone has it; what's latest, Tim?

Wilton


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M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Those were the ones known for timing chain skip, si?


I doubt it if it's actually a 1994.
Wilton's car with the bad timing chain was a W126 I think.
There might have been a few 1992 W140s with the bad chains.

I'm thinking it might be interesting to put a 1999 24v turbo
and 5sp electronic trans from a W210 in it, but I bet there'd
be some interesting computer work involved to make it run and
shift properly.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Chevy has the oil pump on the wrong end, only front oil pump US  
engines fit around the cross member.  If you are going to bastardize  
it, use a Chrysler 440.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread clay via Mercedes
Very little inexpensive land on the wet side.  A ferry ride might find some 
soggy place to stack cars in the boonies.  


clay 

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On Nov 20, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

>> Is J Cathey in Seattle?
> 
> Spokane.  Hard to get 20 acres in Seattle!  I wonder if a HOA
> would prohibit a generator big enough to run several houses?
> 
> I heard there were some 300,000 customers without power at
> the peak aftermath of this windstorm.  Pretty sure that 130,000
> were in the Spokane area.  Still dark here, but more lights are
> on than before, looking across the valley.
> 
> Chainsaws and generators are getting quite the workout in
> this area these days...
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] cheap W140

2015-11-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Could be a nice car.  It’s a 96, which is good.

55k?  Hardly broke in.  Mirror is an easy fix,  Inside looks a little thrashed 
for only having 55k, however.

Dan

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 3:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Like I really need another 140...at least it's not black. 
> 
> http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5294967370.html
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
That 50A 220V outlet is probably the 3-prong triangle sort of 
arrangement?  Like a dryer plug?  Or two spades then another one 
vertical to them in the middle?  I can't remember all the various types 
for the different loads.  You can come off there and put in another 
similar outlet, you have to use #8 (? I think that's right) wire for the 
amperage.  You DO NOT want to run other outlets off that plug that are 
not rated the same amperage (I won't tell you what I do to run my 
jointer and compressor in the garage...).


If you have other 220V circuits you'll have some double-space breakers 
in there that use both legs of the power coming in, and they will have 2 
wires attached to them, a black and (usually) a red, and a double bar to 
open/close the circuit.  You can use the white wire instead of a red, 
but you need to mark it red at each end with a marker pen or red tape, 
and there is no white neutral needed as the 220V is between the two 
hots, not like on a 110V between a (black) hot and (white) neutral.  
Running say a 20A 220V circuit you can use 12-2 romex (2 conductors 
black and white and the bare ground) and just mark the white as red.  Or 
same deal with a 30A, use 10-2 romex.  If you have a direct run from the 
breaker box to some outlet box, and if it only has the black and white 
conductors, you can use that for 220V by using the black for one leg and 
taking the white off the neutral bar and painting it red then hooking it 
to the 220 breaker.  Ground stays the same.  Make sure there are no 
intermediate receptacles that aren't also upgraded.


If you have conduit running around, you have to use the single 
conductors (THHN?) that are rated for conduit of the proper amperage.  
Sometimes that is easier and in a shop protects the wiring a lot better 
and looks cleaner.  The 20A 220V receptacles will have one vertical and 
one horizontal and you will need that kind of plug.  20A receptacles 
have a combination of a vertical/horizontal so you can use them for 110V 
or 220V, but to me that can cause issues if someone plugs in a 110V 
appliance into a 220V-wired outlet.  I have used those in all my new 
wiring but it is all 20A 110V.


I would suggest you go to Lowes or HD and buy a test probe, they are 
like $10-15 and will beep when you get the business end near a hot 
receptacle or wire.  Lots better than the little light things with the 2 
wires, you won't fry your ass.  I think they work on 12V too, so good 
for the cars.  You can trace circuits pretty easily with one.


--R

On 11/21/15 2:34 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

When ya gonna be home next week?  (turkey day week) It might work...

You can move the switches, or change to 3 way and run a wire from the 
current to the additional switches.  If the picture I can't see has 
wires connected to the double breaker, then it is a 220 circuit. 120V 
should have a black, a white and a green.  Most residential 220/240 
has the same.  the white is used in  place of the red.  Good color 
coding would be black, red, green for a 220/240v single phase, and it 
may have a white also to keep the common.


You can put more than one outlet on a breaker, but for 240 V major 
users, the best practices is to have one outlet per breaker.  Same for 
dishwasher, air cond, etc.


If you need more spaces, you can get piggyback breakers or half width 
breakers to get more 120V circuits in the same box, freeing up spaces 
for 240V doubles.


Your old place would not have been too much out of the way.  If I 
remember right, you are close to Ponca City now.  SE of Ponca? I'd 
have to figure out the route to get there.



Get in the car and drive down, you can haul a load of parts back with 
you. My shop is kind of retarded. So the walk in door is at 1 end, 
the breaker box is at the other and this is where they also located 
the light switches, right next to the breaker box. The 220 or 240 
outlet whatever you call, which is 50 amp btw is also right next to 
the breaker box. This is a good spot to say plug in a welder or 
something but the huge air compressor is right in the way there. I 
want to locate it in a corner on the other side of the shop but need 
an outlet there. The empty box with what appears to be about 10-12 
gauge wires is close to the walk in door, but not really in the 
corner where I want to put the compressor. That other empty box with 
the lighter gauge wires is in the perfect spot but I think it's 110 
type wires. I also really need to have a light switch put in by the 
door, I guess in addition to or relocate the ones by the breaker box. 
In the box there is at least 1 maybe 2 empty spots for breakers. Does 
each outlet have to have its own breaker or can 2 use the same breaker?


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good 
location. I need a couple more installed for future lifts and air 
compressor. I 

[MBZ] cheap W140

2015-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Like I really need another 140...at least it's not black. 

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5294967370.html

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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
Those were the ones known for timing chain skip, si?

-MMM-

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Re: [MBZ] OT - How women must feel at the FLAPS

2015-11-21 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
I grew up with two sisters and my mother.

After awhile, I simply got blasé and asked what brand and size they
wanted.

-MMM-

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> clay via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> http://www.ehowa.com/showpicture.shtml?image=callingforbackup.jpg
>>
>> Sometimes I get the same confusion in the oil aisle
>>
>
> https://www.pinterest.com/pin/239676011392813773/
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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What else could drop in there to replace the lump?
>
> http://www.solutionsiq.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Hamster-wheel.jpg
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
The one that is already in the shop is a 50 amp I believe as has 2 flat prongs 
on top and the ground at the bottom, triangle shaped. That is where I currently 
plugged in my compressor. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 2:31 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That 50A 220V outlet is probably the 3-prong triangle sort of arrangement?  
> Like a dryer plug?  Or two spades then another one vertical to them in the 
> middle?  I can't remember all the various types for the different loads.  You 
> can come off there and put in another similar outlet, you have to use #8 (? I 
> think that's right) wire for the amperage.  You DO NOT want to run other 
> outlets off that plug that are not rated the same amperage (I won't tell you 
> what I do to run my jointer and compressor in the garage...).
> 
> If you have other 220V circuits you'll have some double-space breakers in 
> there that use both legs of the power coming in, and they will have 2 wires 
> attached to them, a black and (usually) a red, and a double bar to open/close 
> the circuit.  You can use the white wire instead of a red, but you need to 
> mark it red at each end with a marker pen or red tape, and there is no white 
> neutral needed as the 220V is between the two hots, not like on a 110V 
> between a (black) hot and (white) neutral.  Running say a 20A 220V circuit 
> you can use 12-2 romex (2 conductors black and white and the bare ground) and 
> just mark the white as red.  Or same deal with a 30A, use 10-2 romex.  If you 
> have a direct run from the breaker box to some outlet box, and if it only has 
> the black and white conductors, you can use that for 220V by using the black 
> for one leg and taking the white off the neutral bar and painting it red then 
> hooking it to the 220 breaker.  Ground stays the same.  Make sure there are 
> no in
 termediate receptacles that aren't also upgraded.
> 
> If you have conduit running around, you have to use the single conductors 
> (THHN?) that are rated for conduit of the proper amperage.  Sometimes that is 
> easier and in a shop protects the wiring a lot better and looks cleaner.  The 
> 20A 220V receptacles will have one vertical and one horizontal and you will 
> need that kind of plug.  20A receptacles have a combination of a 
> vertical/horizontal so you can use them for 110V or 220V, but to me that can 
> cause issues if someone plugs in a 110V appliance into a 220V-wired outlet.  
> I have used those in all my new wiring but it is all 20A 110V.
> 
> I would suggest you go to Lowes or HD and buy a test probe, they are like 
> $10-15 and will beep when you get the business end near a hot receptacle or 
> wire.  Lots better than the little light things with the 2 wires, you won't 
> fry your ass.  I think they work on 12V too, so good for the cars.  You can 
> trace circuits pretty easily with one.
> That 50A 220V outlet is probably the 3-prong triangle sort of arrangement?  
> Like a dryer plug?  Or two spades then another one vertical to them in the 
> middle?  I can't remember all the various types for the different loads.  You 
> can come off there and put in another similar outlet, you have to use #8 (? I 
> think that's right) wire for the amperage.  You DO NOT want to run other 
> outlets off that plug that are not rated the same amperage (I won't tell you 
> what I do to run my jointer and compressor in the garage...).
> 
> If you have other 220V circuits you'll have some double-space breakers in 
> there that use both legs of the power coming in, and they will have 2 wires 
> attached to them, a black and (usually) a red, and a double bar to open/close 
> the circuit.  You can use the white wire instead of a red, but you need to 
> mark it red at each end with a marker pen or red tape, and there is no white 
> neutral needed as the 220V is between the two hots, not like on a 110V 
> between a (black) hot and (white) neutral.  Running say a 20A 220V circuit 
> you can use 12-2 romex (2 conductors black and white and the bare ground) and 
> just mark the white as red.  Or same deal with a 30A, use 10-2 romex.  If you 
> have a direct run from the breaker box to some outlet box, and if it only has 
> the black and white conductors, you can use that for 220V by using the black 
> for one leg and taking the white off the neutral bar and painting it red then 
> hooking it to the 220 breaker.  Ground stays the same.  Make sure there are 
> no in
 termediate receptacles that aren't also upgraded.
> 
> If you have conduit running around, you have to use the single conductors 
> (THHN?) that are rated for conduit of the proper amperage.  Sometimes that is 
> easier and in a shop protects the wiring a lot better and looks cleaner.  The 
> 20A 220V receptacles will have one vertical and one horizontal and you will 
> need that kind of plug.  20A receptacles have a combination of a 
> vertical/horizontal so you can use them for 110V or 220V, but to me 

Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Those were the ones known for timing chain skip, si?


I doubt it if it's actually a 1994.
Wilton's car with the bad timing chain was a W126 I think.
There might have been a few 1992 W140s with the bad chains.

I'm thinking it might be interesting to put a 1999 24v turbo
and 5sp electronic trans from a W210 in it, but I bet there'd
be some interesting computer work involved to make it run and
shift properly.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Generators

2015-11-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've had poor luck rebuilding small engine carbs, my 1965 Snapper 308X has a 
circa 1988 Tech in it that needed carb work,I could never get the right kit but 
for $90 I got a whole new carb which was magically plug and play and has been 
fine for 3 or 4 years now. I just changed the oil to put it away for the winter 
today.
-Curt

  From: Jim Cathey 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 12:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Generators
   
> I bought it on Amazon but all the Dong Ching generators are about the 
> same. Mine is the 1200w, I think I paid $120.

I have one of those 800W HF things.  $99, still in the box.
I was thinking of it as a trunk accessory in case of trouble
on the road.

Filled up all 3 forklift tanks today.  $62.  Each little tank
is like burning a $20 bill.  Lasts only a little longer, too!  :-)

More laundry today, we're watching a movie, taking showers,
catching up on the intertubes...

Tomorrow I'm going to try the $6 Tecumseh carb rebuild kit I
got today, see if I can resurrect one of the two rope-pulls.
The Briggs in the other one is a different story, according
to the parts counter people.

I hate gasoline, and gasoline motors.

-- Jim



  
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

When ya gonna be home next week?  (turkey day week)  It might work...

You can move the switches, or change to 3 way and run a wire from the 
current to the additional switches.  If the picture I can't see has 
wires connected to the double breaker, then it is a 220 circuit. 
120V should have a black, a white and a green.  Most residential 
220/240 has the same.  the white is used in  place of the red.  Good 
color coding would be black, red, green for a 220/240v single phase, 
and it may have a white also to keep the common.


You can put more than one outlet on a breaker, but for 240 V major 
users, the best practices is to have one outlet per breaker.  Same 
for dishwasher, air cond, etc.


If you need more spaces, you can get piggyback breakers or half width 
breakers to get more 120V circuits in the same box, freeing up spaces 
for 240V doubles.


Your old place would not have been too much out of the way.  If I 
remember right, you are close to Ponca City now.  SE of Ponca?  I'd 
have to figure out the route to get there.



Get in the car and drive down, you can haul a load of parts back 
with you. My shop is kind of retarded. So the walk in door is at 1 
end, the breaker box is at the other and this is where they also 
located the light switches, right next to the breaker box. The 220 
or 240 outlet whatever you call, which is 50 amp btw is also right 
next to the breaker box. This is a good spot to say plug in a welder 
or something but the huge air compressor is right in the way there. 
I want to locate it in a corner on the other side of the shop but 
need an outlet there. The empty box with what appears to be about 
10-12 gauge wires is close to the walk in door, but not really in 
the corner where I want to put the compressor. That other empty box 
with the lighter gauge wires is in the perfect spot but I think it's 
110 type wires. I also really need to have a light switch put in by 
the door, I guess in addition to or relocate the ones by the breaker 
box. In the box there is at least 1 maybe 2 empty spots for 
breakers. Does each outlet have to have its own breaker or can 2 use 
the same breaker?


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good 
location. I need a couple more installed for future lifts and air 
compressor. I have a couple of blank boxes in the shop with no 
outlets in them. One has heavy wires and is in a better location 
but still need one or 2 more. Does this appear to be wired for 220 
and all I need to do is install the outlet? How do I wire in 
additional outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do it.

 >>
 >> Sent from my iPhone
 >
 > Pay my way there and I'll do it for ya.   Trade ya labor fer paatz
 >


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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I should be home Wednesday on. I have to go to Ponca city about once a week. We 
have a customer over there. I am straight east of Ponca City on 60

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> On Nov 21, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When ya gonna be home next week?  (turkey day week)  It might work...
> 
> You can move the switches, or change to 3 way and run a wire from the current 
> to the additional switches.  If the picture I can't see has wires connected 
> to the double breaker, then it is a 220 circuit. 120V should have a black, a 
> white and a green.  Most residential 220/240 has the same.  the white is used 
> in  place of the red.  Good color coding would be black, red, green for a 
> 220/240v single phase, and it may have a white also to keep the common.
> 
> You can put more than one outlet on a breaker, but for 240 V major users, the 
> best practices is to have one outlet per breaker.  Same for dishwasher, air 
> cond, etc.
> 
> If you need more spaces, you can get piggyback breakers or half width 
> breakers to get more 120V circuits in the same box, freeing up spaces for 
> 240V doubles.
> 
> Your old place would not have been too much out of the way.  If I remember 
> right, you are close to Ponca City now.  SE of Ponca?  I'd have to figure out 
> the route to get there.
> 
> 
>> Get in the car and drive down, you can haul a load of parts back with you. 
>> My shop is kind of retarded. So the walk in door is at 1 end, the breaker 
>> box is at the other and this is where they also located the light switches, 
>> right next to the breaker box. The 220 or 240 outlet whatever you call, 
>> which is 50 amp btw is also right next to the breaker box. This is a good 
>> spot to say plug in a welder or something but the huge air compressor is 
>> right in the way there. I want to locate it in a corner on the other side of 
>> the shop but need an outlet there. The empty box with what appears to be 
>> about 10-12 gauge wires is close to the walk in door, but not really in the 
>> corner where I want to put the compressor. That other empty box with the 
>> lighter gauge wires is in the perfect spot but I think it's 110 type wires. 
>> I also really need to have a light switch put in by the door, I guess in 
>> addition to or relocate the ones by the breaker box. In the box there is at 
>> least 1 maybe 2 empty spots
  for breakers. Does each outlet have to have its own breaker or can 2 use the 
same breaker?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
 I have 1 220 outlet in my shop but it's not really in a good location. I 
 need a couple more installed for future lifts and air compressor. I have a 
 couple of blank boxes in the shop with no outlets in them. One has heavy 
 wires and is in a better location but still need one or 2 more. Does this 
 appear to be wired for 220 and all I need to do is install the outlet? How 
 do I wire in additional outlets? Maybe I would be better having an pro do 
 it.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > Pay my way there and I'll do it for ya.   Trade ya labor fer paatz
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] 220 outlets

2015-11-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 21 Nov 2015 13:10:14 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> My shop is kind of retarded. So the walk in door is at 1 end, the
> breaker box is at the other and this is where they also located the
> light switches, right next to the breaker box. The 220 or 240 outlet
> whatever you call, which is 50 amp btw is also right next to the
> breaker box. This is a good spot to say plug in a welder or something
> but the huge air compressor is right in the way there.

Yup, that is kind of retarded all right.

I wish you success in getting it set up right!


Craig

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[MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5322335421.html

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Re: [MBZ] $500 rodbender

2015-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

What else could drop in there to replace the lump?

--R

On 11/21/15 4:24 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5322335421.html

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[MBZ] amoco white gas

2015-11-21 Thread Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes
folks 

amoco white gas as sold in SC and georgia in the 60's and 70's was high test 
and lead free

i always ran it in coleman stoves without problems

here's what wikipedia says:

American Oil chose to continue marketing its premium-grade "Amoco-Gas" (later 
Amoco Super-Premium) as a lead-free gasoline by using aromatics rather than 
tetraethyllead to increase octane levels, decades before the environmental 
movement of the early 1970s led to more stringent auto-emission controls which 
ultimately mandated the universal phase out of leaded gasoline. The "Amoco" 
lead-free gasoline was sold at American's stations in the eastern and southern 
U.S. alongside American Regular gasoline, which was a leaded fuel. Lead-free 
Amoco was introduced in the Indiana Standard marketing area in 1970.[6


thanks,

xx rick
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