Re: [MBZ] Test

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

In the UPS system it has to be shipped "HIGH VALUE". High value items get put 
into special containers which are treated like gold, because I imagine 
sometimes they are. High value insurance is not cheap, but if you have an item 
that is irreplaceable, it is worth every penny.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

No, I just got lucky... I actually needed some fluid.

Jaime


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Same here.  Shipping has got to be a killer because of the weight.
>
> Did you get an email notification of the sale.price drop?
>
> Dan
>
> > On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I just got my shipping notification:  UPS ground, 50.9 lbs.  I went with
> > the free economy shipping (knowing they'd use UPS anyway)...  I can't
> > imagine they made any money on this deal.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Deep inside, you love the guy but won't admit it.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 6:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
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> 6. replace IP with a good used one.  ~$75 if you find one at the u-pull
> and get lucky.
>
> You might try the shock treatment of biocide in your fuel  before or after
> the dissel purge.  If you have black stuff inside your IP, that will kill
> it and cause all kinds of problems on the way out.
>
> 7.  Feel the burn, elect bernie and get him to buy ya a new one.
>
> (Good luck with #7!)
>
> It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.
>>
>> The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:
>>
>> 1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)
>>
>> 2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)
>>
>> 3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's foot
>> plus extension rod, and
>>
>> 4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),
>>
>> 5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).
>>
>> I will sell the car before trying number 5.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:29 AM, MG via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  While there is no cold idle enrichment, there is an idle speed control
>>>  inside the pump which, in conjunction with the external user adjustable
>>>  idle speed setting, should keep the engine idling at the correct speed.
>>>  This is all part of the speed governing system and is adjusted when the
>>>  pump is being set up on the injection bench. This governing system
>>> should
>>>  work not only when the engine is cold but also should work to increase
>>> or
>>>  decrease the injection amount in response to load on the engine at idle
>>> to
>>>  keep the idle speed at the externally set speed at all times. As the
>>> pump
>>>  ages and gunk builds up internally this adjustment may not work as well
>>> as
>>>  it should. It's possible that doing the diesel purge cleaning will fix
>>> it
>>>  but the real fix is to rebuild the pump at which time all those internal
>>>  adjustments will or should be reset to the correct specs.
>>>
>>>  For those who have a car with the 617 engine you may have noticed the
>>>  slight increase of idle speed followed by a reduction of that speed as
>>> the
>>>  engine warms up after a cold start in the morning. I have noticed this
>>>  often and it may happen several times if you let the car sit there and
>>> warm
>>>  up. That is not to say that you should do this or even that it is good
>>> for
>>>  the engine but it will happen if you get a chance to try this. That
>>> said I
>>>  also have a couple of cars in which I have noticed the same problem as
>>>  Andrew has with his. Those cars also will not increase the idle when
>>> the AC
>>>  compressor turns on. Does it bother me? Yeah, a little bit but not
>>> enough
>>>  to do anything about it right now.
>>>
>>>  Manfred
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>

  Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:31:48 -0500
  From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls
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>>>  >>
>>  >> The 617 does not have any sort of fuel enrichment or idle up feature
>>  >> which I believe the 60x does have some sort of fuel enrichment. Maybe
>> his
>>  >> idle is just set too low to begin with.
>>
>>>

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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thought about it. The redneck method is to use a metal tub and build a fire 
right under it
Hafta put the tub down near the pond though, its hard to pump the extra 10 feet 
up to the camp.
-Curt

  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Rich Thomas 
 Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 8:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
You ought to build a wood-fired hot tub and use that for your ablutions

--R

On 4/8/16 4:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Depends on if its cheaper to heat water or 
> heat the basement.
> At camp when we're going to shower I pull a couple buckets of water from the 
> pond and let them warm up on the porch or inside the camp. The pond is spring 
> fed and the water never really gets much above 50F. Letting it preheat means 
> we use much less propane in the shower.
> -Curt

   
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Re: [MBZ] Test

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Rick, 
My wife has been packing and shipping antiques for almost 2 decades. The 
problem is that during the holidays, temps get hired who aren't properly 
trained or just don't care. Packages aren't handled as gently and respectfully 
as they used to be. My wife foam, bubble wraps, double boxes with more peanuts, 
etc. and stuff still gets broken. If someone drops a big box on a small box 
containing a glass item, guess who wins. No amount of insurance or anything 
else can prevent breakage. There are certain parts of the country where extra, 
extra packing is required and then cross your fingers and hope for the best. In 
our experience UPS is no better than USPS. But UPS is generally more expensive 
than USPS. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] most likely better than any limousine

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I'm wondering if it is a shifter bushing

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5529003476.html

--R


Doubt if he finds many buyers at either price.   I'd consider it if 
it had a new trans for $2k.  It could make a good platform to put a 
good OM603 into.   I could transplant the vergasser and "new" 
transmission into a 107.


I am looking for a 420SEL or 560SEL in the $600 range.  K'leb money. 
But I am not looking very hard until next fall.  Gotta finish 
POSitive and other projects first.


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Re: [MBZ] ATE brake fluid NOT Febi

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It was because Federal regulations say that brake fluid has to be 
clear or amber colored, apparently.


http://hooniverse.com/2013/08/16/braking-news-ate-super-blue-deemed-illegal-for-us-distribution/

Dan






more cases of the Goobermnt goobers overreaching, and the resultant 
goobering up of everything.


I'm up for bootlegging it into the merkun market.  Anyone know flight 
crew that goes to Frankfort regularly?



"The specific color requirement for brake fluid in the standard 
[clear to amber] is to permit easy differentiation of brake fluid 
from other types of motor vehicle fluids before they are placed into 
the vehicle"


Wow!  If it took them 15 years to figure out that super blue is blue, 
HOW MANY YEARS WILL IT TAKE THEM TO FIGURE OUT THAT MOTOR OIL, MANY 
GREASES, DIESEL FUEL, BENZIN, Gear lube, power steering fluid, 
hydraulic fluid, AND MANY OTHER  PETROLEUM PRODUCTS ARE "CLEAR TO 
AMBER" AND BAN THEM FROM THE COUNTRY!


After all goobers who work for the goobermnt are likely to pour them 
in the brake fluid reservoir since they all are "clear to amber."


Gooberment goobers taking absurdity to the highest level!  Kinda like 
the EPfrigginA declaring that the whole of all the dry land in  Norte 
Merka is "waters of the Estatas Unitas" and therefor the EPfrigginA 
can regulate kansas wheat fields as "navigable waters of the USA" 
Ja, Rechts


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Re: [MBZ] ATE brake fluid NOT Febi

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On April 8, 2016 at 7:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:The blue stuff has been outlawed in the US due to some sort of trademark litigation, so I heard.I found some on eBay. If he sells it, I'll be listing my last liter for sure. http://search.ebay.com/111962534289
 

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[MBZ] most likely better than any limousine

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I'm wondering if it is a shifter bushing

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5529003476.html

--R

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[MBZ] It's still for sale despite hundreds coming every day

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/5530106438.html


   2001 MERCEDES S600 V12. ONE DAY SALE! $3,200 CASH!*


--R


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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You ought to build a wood-fired hot tub and use that for your ablutions

--R

On 4/8/16 4:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

6 of one, half dozen of the other. Depends on if its cheaper to heat water or 
heat the basement.
At camp when we're going to shower I pull a couple buckets of water from the 
pond and let them warm up on the porch or inside the camp. The pond is spring 
fed and the water never really gets much above 50F. Letting it preheat means we 
use much less propane in the shower.
-Curt

   From: Randy Bennell 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

No, I have not insulated it.

I have considered it but wondered if I would do more harm than good from
an energy point of view.
My basement is heated so not all that cold and the water coming in would
be cold, especially in winter, so if there is no water running through
the pipes, it has an opportunity to acclimatize to the temperature of
the basement before going into the HWT.
I had considered putting a big presure tank in the basement so it would
fill with cold water and warm somewhat before going into the HWT but
also wondered if that would just cool the basement enough to offset the
gain to the water.
I do intend to try that sort of thing out at the lake. I am going to run
the cold water from the pump (from the lake) into a pressure tank
outside in the sun during the day  and then on into the cabin. My hope
is that it will supplement the small HWT we use out there. It probably
won't help in the morning but if one showers in the early evening, the
water in the outdoor tank should be quite a bit warmer than the water in
the lake (except perhaps in early spring or late fall).

RB

On 08/04/2016 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Did you insulate it? That one appears to be in a basement, basements are 
usually cold, it'd work way better insulated even with just a wrap of pink 
fiberglass.
-Curt

 From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Cc: Randy Bennell 
   Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:01 PM
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher 
talk
 
On 07/04/2016 11:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Anybody rig up a heat exchanger between the drain water and cold water
supply of a shower? They are not too hard to fabricate from copper pipe.
Thinking to put some in. Could also be done between any hot water drain and
the inlet to hot water heater I suppose. Just thinking to save some energy
over the life of the plumbing (and not run out of hot water as fast as
otherwise would be the case).

Karl
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I installed one like this a number of years ago.
It really only works with the shower. As the hot water runs down the
drain, it warms the cold water in the coils wrapped around the main
stack drain.
The maker recommended it for feeding the cold water in to the hot water
tank. They subsequently said it was slightly more efficient if it fed
the whole system so that it was warming all of the water feeding the
shower and not just the hot water side. I have thought about hooking the
drain line from the dishwasher into it too so that the hot water being
pumped out of the dishwasher would also warm the stack. Not sure how
well that might work given that I doubt the dishwasher is taking in new
hot water at the same time that it is pumping out the old water. Same
with the washing machine. Given the washer is in the basement, it would
require a pump to move the water up to the ceiling level so probably not
worth the effort to try to make that happen.
I have no idea whether it saves much energy. The primary theory was that
it made your hot water tank act as though it was a bigger tank so one
would not run out of hot water quite as quickly.

I have checked the temperatures in and out while someone is using the
shower and it certainly does boost the cold water temperature. I do not
recall exactly how much so I won't guess for the purposes of this post.
My recollection is that there is also a variance in terms of how well it
does depending on how cold the incoming water is. I suppose it might
also depend on how warm the person in the shower likes the water so my
guess in that regard might be a bit unscientific.

I think I paid something like $300 by the time I got it installed as I
bought end caps that converted it from copper to ABS and soldered them
on and then glued the assembly into the ABS main stack.

It has been there for years and is totally maintenance free so over
time, one would think it should earn back the cost.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] fer y'all out East

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You are Special!

But I do remember that, I was up at the track in October doing the laps, 
and thought it would be fun to go to it but alas it was not in the cards.


--R

On 4/8/16 6:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

That was last December

--R


H  Wonder why they sent it to me again.  I didn't check the date, 
but it seemed pretty soon after the other.  Sorry about that.



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Re: [MBZ] ATE brake fluid NOT Febi

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

What would we do without the gummint looking out for us?

--R

On 4/8/16 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

It was because Federal regulations say that brake fluid has to be clear or 
amber colored, apparently.

http://hooniverse.com/2013/08/16/braking-news-ate-super-blue-deemed-illegal-for-us-distribution/

Dan



On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:27:00 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


The blue stuff has been outlawed in the US due to some sort of
trademark litigation, so I heard.

I thought it was because windshield washer fluid was blue, so someone in
power didn't want a possibility of putting the water-based washer fluid
in an already blue brake fluid reservoir.

But that may be wrong ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably.  It’s called a “group buy”.  I’ve done it for various things over at 
Benzworld, but it’s not always easy and can quickly go south.

Dan


> On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:58 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if The List committed to buying some certain amount of various 
> fluids if we could go to a vendor and ask for a special price?
> 
> --R
> 


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Re: [MBZ] ATE brake fluid NOT Febi

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

DOT has decreed that brake fluid in the US has to be amber or clear.  Simple as 
that.  You can get the blue in Canada….if you can get over the new wall.


> On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I've bought it on Amazon, but not for that price:
> 
> http://smile.amazon.com/ATE-706202-Original-Brake-Fluid/dp/B003VXRPL0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
> 
> The blue stuff has been outlawed in the US due to some sort of trademark 
> litigation, so I heard.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I ordered the eccentric bolts from RMEuropean and noticed they had ATE brake 
>> fluid in 5 L cans and 1 L cans.  I find 1 to 2 L is needed for a good flush 
>> and refill.  I ordered 4 x 1L cans @ $8.32 each with free shipping for $65 + 
>> order.  4 eccentric bolts and 4 L was just under $65 so I ordered a M of 
>> vacuum hose.
>> 
>> I've never seen ATE fluid for sale in the USA before.  Since the castrol GT 
>> DOT 4 brake fluid is now near unobtanium, this is a trustworthy substitute.
>> 
>> I don't trust the DOT4/5 stuff at all, as REAL DOT 4 is 100% INcompatible 
>> with REAL DOT 5 brake fluid.
>> 
>> If brake hydraulics work is coming up for y'all, I'd recommend the ATE fluid 
>> highly!
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Re: [MBZ] ATE brake fluid NOT Febi

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It was because Federal regulations say that brake fluid has to be clear or 
amber colored, apparently.

http://hooniverse.com/2013/08/16/braking-news-ate-super-blue-deemed-illegal-for-us-distribution/

Dan


> On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:27:00 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> The blue stuff has been outlawed in the US due to some sort of
>> trademark litigation, so I heard.
> 
> I thought it was because windshield washer fluid was blue, so someone in
> power didn't want a possibility of putting the water-based washer fluid
> in an already blue brake fluid reservoir.
> 
> But that may be wrong ...
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Apr 8, 2016 7:35 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes"

>
> Too bad Ryder no longer rents out 722.6 Sprinters. Four years ago I could
get a case (12 qts) of Shell 134 from Ryder Fleet Services for something
like $80 delivered. Now they don't stock it. If there was a closeout sale,
I totally missed it.
>

Well, I have 10L of the stuff in genuine MB packaging that I can no longer
use... No reasonable offer refused, only some unreasonable offers refused.

Also have a filter 221 277 01 95, gasket 220 271 03 80 and new pan bolts
for a 722.9.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] One of these things is not like the other....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No.

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:55 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you deal with Jabba at all?
> 
> --R
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[MBZ] OT Ginger Brew

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

A few weeks back I made a ginger brew, something like 4-5lb of ginger 
root I shredded up in the food processor then boiled it in a coupla 
gallons of water for an hour or so with 4-5lb of dark raw sugar.  Put it 
in the fermenter with some champagne yeast for about 10 days then put it 
in some 1L soda bottles and left it sit for 2 weeks.


Tasted it and it had a little bit of fizz but no sweetness -- I guess 
all the sugar had been fermented.  It tasted kinda like a ginger wine, 
was good with a very good ginger punch.  Not bad but no sweetness.  I 
made some dark n' stormies with about 1/2L out of a bottle and a bit of 
simple syrup, then added some simple syrup to that bottle, it has sat 
for a week and fizzed up a bit more but is sweeter now, more like a 
ginger ale/beer.


Made a cocktail tonight with some Goslings and my sweeter fizzier ginger 
brew and WOW is it good.  I think the ginger brew has a pretty good 
ethanol level now too.  I gave 3L away and have 9L more, so need to work 
on it!  More Goslings needed!


OOOPS my cocktail is gone, buhbah

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I wonder if The List committed to buying some certain amount of various 
fluids if we could go to a vendor and ask for a special price?


--R

On 4/8/16 6:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

We must have cleaned them out.

Dan



On Apr 8, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Oh well, it was $7.11/liter this morning.

I've have great luck with this fluid over the years, especially with boxes
that were abused and on their way out.

Its all I use.

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] Test

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Roger writes:

>It's sad when we ship a one of a kind something that's 100+ years old and it 
>gets broken.

If you want to ship something, and you don't want it lost or broken,

1. Package it WELL!

2. Include another shipping label IN the package.

3. Insure it as a "HIGH VALUE" package.

https://upscapital.com/product-services/jewelers-elite/

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Re: [MBZ] One of these things is not like the other....

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Do you deal with Jabba at all?

--R

On 4/8/16 6:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

And even though the image was well below the minimum size, the list stripped it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jihkgm8d8kznpl3/IMG_1078.jpg?dl=0

Dan



On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Guess which one of these engine shock top mounts is the one closest to the 
exhaust:



One of the engine shocks was pretty much toast.  The other (the one closest to 
the exhaust who’s top mount broke loose) was much better, but that’s most 
likely to it being pretty much out of the loop due to the top mount being 
broken.

AutohausAZ wins today’s supplier of the day after having the shocks discounted 
($26/each) and free shipping over $50.  Nice.  New top mounts went in with the 
old shocks and hardware.  I’ll hold off on installing the rest of the hardware 
until I get the new shocks.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Same here.  Shipping has got to be a killer because of the weight.

Did you get an email notification of the sale.price drop?

Dan

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just got my shipping notification:  UPS ground, 50.9 lbs.  I went with
> the free economy shipping (knowing they'd use UPS anyway)...  I can't
> imagine they made any money on this deal.
> 
> Jaime
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ATE brake fluid NOT Febi

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:27:00 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The blue stuff has been outlawed in the US due to some sort of
> trademark litigation, so I heard.

I thought it was because windshield washer fluid was blue, so someone in
power didn't want a possibility of putting the water-based washer fluid
in an already blue brake fluid reservoir.

But that may be wrong ...


Craig

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[MBZ] Now Febi! [was Re: ATE brake fluid NOT Febi]

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:06:58 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I ordered the eccentric bolts from RMEuropean and noticed they had 
> ATE brake fluid in 5 L cans and 1 L cans.  I find 1 to 2 L is needed 
> for a good flush and refill.  I ordered 4 x 1L cans @ $8.32 each with 
> free shipping for $65 + order.  4 eccentric bolts and 4 L was just 
> under $65 so I ordered a M of vacuum hose.


I looked on the RMEuropean website and found they have Febi ATF at less
than the website Jaime mentioned this morning:

http://www.rmeuropean.com/Products/001989210310-MFG36-V3203.aspx
ManufacturerFEBI BILSTEIN
EAN 4027816228066
$8.95
(List price $21.00 , you save: $12.05)
Quantity in Stock: 100 Ships on Monday


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[MG via Mercedes]

The cheapest thing in my experience that might improve things is 
the Diesel Purge. Turning the idle speed up is a solution which 
will work while the engine is cold and then cause the engine to 
run too fast at warm idle. So if the Diesel Purge doesn't work 
then my advice is to use your foot to keep it running when cold 
and leave the idle where it is as long as it is fast enough to be 
correct when warm or get the pump rebuilt. The springs in the 
pumps get older and weaker and need replacement or adjustment. 
Only a rebuild will give you that like new performance. If you 
don't want to pay for that then you have to decide what you want 
to do and put up with the possibly less then optimal result.


Manfred


Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.

The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:

1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)

2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)

3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's foot
plus extension rod, and

4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),

5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).

I will sell the car before trying number 5.


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:29 AM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:


While there is no cold idle enrichment, there is an idle speed control
inside the pump which, in conjunction with the external user adjustable
idle speed setting, should keep the engine idling at the correct speed.
This is all part of the speed governing system and is adjusted when the
pump is being set up on the injection bench. This governing system should
work not only when the engine is cold but also should work to increase or
decrease the injection amount in response to load on the engine at idle to
keep the idle speed at the externally set speed at all times. As the pump
ages and gunk builds up internally this adjustment may not work as well as
it should. It's possible that doing the diesel purge cleaning will fix it
but the real fix is to rebuild the pump at which time all those internal
adjustments will or should be reset to the correct specs.

For those who have a car with the 617 engine you may have noticed the
slight increase of idle speed followed by a reduction of that speed as the
engine warms up after a cold start in the morning. I have noticed this
often and it may happen several times if you let the car sit there and warm
up. That is not to say that you should do this or even that it is good for
the engine but it will happen if you get a chance to try this. That said I
also have a couple of cars in which I have noticed the same problem as
Andrew has with his. Those cars also will not increase the idle when the AC
compressor turns on. Does it bother me? Yeah, a little bit but not enough
to do anything about it right now.

Manfred


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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:31:48 -0500
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls
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The 617 does not have any sort of fuel enrichment or idle up feature
which I believe the 60x does have some sort of fuel enrichment. Maybe his
idle is just set too low to begin with.


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Re: [MBZ] ATE brake fluid NOT Febi

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I've bought it on Amazon, but not for that price:

http://smile.amazon.com/ATE-706202-Original-Brake-Fluid/dp/B003VXRPL0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00

The blue stuff has been outlawed in the US due to some sort of trademark 
litigation, so I heard.

Dan

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> On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I ordered the eccentric bolts from RMEuropean and noticed they had ATE brake 
> fluid in 5 L cans and 1 L cans.  I find 1 to 2 L is needed for a good flush 
> and refill.  I ordered 4 x 1L cans @ $8.32 each with free shipping for $65 + 
> order.  4 eccentric bolts and 4 L was just under $65 so I ordered a M of 
> vacuum hose.
> 
> I've never seen ATE fluid for sale in the USA before.  Since the castrol GT 
> DOT 4 brake fluid is now near unobtanium, this is a trustworthy substitute.
> 
> I don't trust the DOT4/5 stuff at all, as REAL DOT 4 is 100% INcompatible 
> with REAL DOT 5 brake fluid.
> 
> If brake hydraulics work is coming up for y'all, I'd recommend the ATE fluid 
> highly!
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Re: [MBZ] Test

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curly, 
It's sad when we ship a one of a kind something that's 100+ years old and it 
gets broken. UPS or USPS says it's insured so you can replace it. I always want 
to ask them where they can get replacements. Dealing in new and antique items 
gives you an appreciation for the workmanship of the "old stuff". There are 
very few companies that still make items that remotely compare in quality and 
workmanship to the old stuff. 
So, I will never hurl anything that's priceless or remotely close to priceless. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
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[MBZ] ATE brake fluid NOT Febi

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I ordered the eccentric bolts from RMEuropean and noticed they had 
ATE brake fluid in 5 L cans and 1 L cans.  I find 1 to 2 L is needed 
for a good flush and refill.  I ordered 4 x 1L cans @ $8.32 each with 
free shipping for $65 + order.  4 eccentric bolts and 4 L was just 
under $65 so I ordered a M of vacuum hose.


I've never seen ATE fluid for sale in the USA before.  Since the 
castrol GT DOT 4 brake fluid is now near unobtanium, this is a 
trustworthy substitute.


I don't trust the DOT4/5 stuff at all, as REAL DOT 4 is 100% 
INcompatible with REAL DOT 5 brake fluid.


If brake hydraulics work is coming up for y'all, I'd recommend the 
ATE fluid highly!


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Re: [MBZ] One of these things is not like the other....

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:51:12 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Guess which one of these engine shock top mounts is the one closest to
> the exhaust:

Was there supposed to be a picture?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] One of these things is not like the other....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And even though the image was well below the minimum size, the list stripped it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jihkgm8d8kznpl3/IMG_1078.jpg?dl=0

Dan


> On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Guess which one of these engine shock top mounts is the one closest to the 
> exhaust:
> 
> 
> 
> One of the engine shocks was pretty much toast.  The other (the one closest 
> to the exhaust who’s top mount broke loose) was much better, but that’s most 
> likely to it being pretty much out of the loop due to the top mount being 
> broken.
> 
> AutohausAZ wins today’s supplier of the day after having the shocks 
> discounted ($26/each) and free shipping over $50.  Nice.  New top mounts went 
> in with the old shocks and hardware.  I’ll hold off on installing the rest of 
> the hardware until I get the new shocks.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I just got my shipping notification:  UPS ground, 50.9 lbs.  I went with
the free economy shipping (knowing they'd use UPS anyway)...  I can't
imagine they made any money on this deal.

Jaime


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 6:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We must have cleaned them out.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Apr 8, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh well, it was $7.11/liter this morning.
> >
> > I've have great luck with this fluid over the years, especially with
> boxes
> > that were abused and on their way out.
> >
> > Its all I use.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
>
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[MBZ] One of these things is not like the other....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Guess which one of these engine shock top mounts is the one closest to the 
exhaust:



One of the engine shocks was pretty much toast.  The other (the one closest to 
the exhaust who’s top mount broke loose) was much better, but that’s most 
likely to it being pretty much out of the loop due to the top mount being 
broken.

AutohausAZ wins today’s supplier of the day after having the shocks discounted 
($26/each) and free shipping over $50.  Nice.  New top mounts went in with the 
old shocks and hardware.  I’ll hold off on installing the rest of the hardware 
until I get the new shocks.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We must have cleaned them out.

Dan


> On Apr 8, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh well, it was $7.11/liter this morning.
> 
> I've have great luck with this fluid over the years, especially with boxes
> that were abused and on their way out.
> 
> Its all I use.
> 
> Jaime
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

6. replace IP with a good used one.  ~$75 if you find one at the 
u-pull and get lucky.


You might try the shock treatment of biocide in your fuel  before or 
after the dissel purge.  If you have black stuff inside your IP, that 
will kill it and cause all kinds of problems on the way out.


7.  Feel the burn, elect bernie and get him to buy ya a new one.

(Good luck with #7!)


It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.

The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:

1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)

2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)

3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's foot
plus extension rod, and

4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),

5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).

I will sell the car before trying number 5.


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:29 AM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:


 While there is no cold idle enrichment, there is an idle speed control
 inside the pump which, in conjunction with the external user adjustable
 idle speed setting, should keep the engine idling at the correct speed.
 This is all part of the speed governing system and is adjusted when the
 pump is being set up on the injection bench. This governing system should
 work not only when the engine is cold but also should work to increase or
 decrease the injection amount in response to load on the engine at idle to
 keep the idle speed at the externally set speed at all times. As the pump
 ages and gunk builds up internally this adjustment may not work as well as
 it should. It's possible that doing the diesel purge cleaning will fix it
 but the real fix is to rebuild the pump at which time all those internal
 adjustments will or should be reset to the correct specs.

 For those who have a car with the 617 engine you may have noticed the
 slight increase of idle speed followed by a reduction of that speed as the
 engine warms up after a cold start in the morning. I have noticed this
 often and it may happen several times if you let the car sit there and warm
 up. That is not to say that you should do this or even that it is good for
 the engine but it will happen if you get a chance to try this. That said I
 also have a couple of cars in which I have noticed the same problem as
 Andrew has with his. Those cars also will not increase the idle when the AC
 compressor turns on. Does it bother me? Yeah, a little bit but not enough
 to do anything about it right now.

 Manfred


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 Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:31:48 -0500
 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii

 >>
 >> The 617 does not have any sort of fuel enrichment or idle up feature
 >> which I believe the 60x does have some sort of fuel enrichment. Maybe his
 >> idle is just set too low to begin with.




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Re: [MBZ] fer y'all out East

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

That was last December

--R


H  Wonder why they sent it to me again.  I didn't check the date, 
but it seemed pretty soon after the other.  Sorry about that.



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Re: [MBZ] Test

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I'm not sure my last few emails have gotten through. So, this is a test.

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


Yep, your test failed.  I've seen your posts, but nobody has hurled 
any priceless antique plates or saucers at you!


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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[MG via Mercedes]

I think you would be better off to use a desuperheater to recover 
the wast heat from your AC system to add heat the water in your 
water heater.


Manfred



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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 21:23:10 -0700
From: Karl Wittnebel 
To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
Subject: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher
talk
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Anybody rig up a heat exchanger between the drain water and cold water
supply of a shower? They are not too hard to fabricate from copper pipe.
Thinking to put some in. Could also be done between any hot water drain and
the inlet to hot water heater I suppose. Just thinking to save some energy
over the life of the plumbing (and not run out of hot water as fast as
otherwise would be the case).

Karl



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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This was the next wash after doing the dishwasher magic cleaner that cleaned 
everything out. It's like whatever inside that is supposed to separate out the 
ground up good is not doing it. I'm changing the plumbing today probably and 
will run it again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb sez:
> 
>> ‎It's not really hard water deposits >it's food deposits.
> ‎
> Ah. Okay. ‎
> Then on the drain cycle, after the wash cycle,(and probably rinse, too) isn't 
> purging all of the detritus out of the tub. ‎Or the wash arms are plugged. 
> Or?
> 
> Sign up here and ask. Best appliance forum I've found. 
> 
> http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php
> 
> Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Oh well, it was $7.11/liter this morning.

I've have great luck with this fluid over the years, especially with boxes
that were abused and on their way out.

Its all I use.

Jaime


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On April 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 07:36:53 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the heads up, Jaime! I just bought 10 liters. Much cheaper
> than Mobil1.
>
> This item, Mercedes Auto Trans Fluid (1 Liter) - Febi 0009899203
> is on sale for $12.99.
>
> How much is Mobil1?
>
>
> Earlier this morning, it was 6.99 or 7.99 on clearance with a regular
> price of 12.99.
>
> Now it's on sale for 12.99 with a regular price of 14.99.
>
> I guess they sold all that they wanted to sell for the lower price.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] It is ALIVE

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Max is spot on.

We used one of these on the former 1995 S500 coupe, which had a steering wheel 
that gave real insight into both the age and wear on the car.  It took a couple 
of hours to do and do right, but the results were well worth it. If you didn't 
know, the wheel appeared as new.

Dan

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> On Apr 8, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Clay,
> 
> I have bought two of these, one for my E300 and another for SWMBO's
> Infiniti:
> 
> http://wheelskins.com/
> 
> They are excellent.  I will use them again.  Matching color is hard, if you
> are trying to match your interior, unless you ask for some of the swatches
> first.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] It is ALIVE

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Clay,

I have bought two of these, one for my E300 and another for SWMBO's
Infiniti:

http://wheelskins.com/

They are excellent.  I will use them again.  Matching color is hard, if you
are trying to match your interior, unless you ask for some of the swatches
first.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Of course, it's not mine either.  It's just that hooking up disposer will 
significantly change the drain configuration under the sink.  'Was merely 
trying to insert a reminder that a disposer may provide a port that may help 
simplify the new drain setup.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory



Wilton,
I know the disposal is designed with the option to tie in the DW, but 
unless you feel some strong need, I would not. Again, my disposal is now 
17 years old and going strong...separate from the DW. And the MayTag DW is 
plumbed before the trap. I still think Kaleb's problem is more the 
plumbing sequence than the DW. But I also know that new Bosch DW is 
"burning a whole in his pocket" and he'll want to install it to keep up 
with Dan. Whatever makes everyone happy. Again, it's your money and not 
mine.

Good luck and best wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

6 of one, half dozen of the other. Depends on if its cheaper to heat water or 
heat the basement.
At camp when we're going to shower I pull a couple buckets of water from the 
pond and let them warm up on the porch or inside the camp. The pond is spring 
fed and the water never really gets much above 50F. Letting it preheat means we 
use much less propane in the shower.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
No, I have not insulated it.
I have considered it but wondered if I would do more harm than good from 
an energy point of view.
My basement is heated so not all that cold and the water coming in would 
be cold, especially in winter, so if there is no water running through 
the pipes, it has an opportunity to acclimatize to the temperature of 
the basement before going into the HWT.
I had considered putting a big presure tank in the basement so it would 
fill with cold water and warm somewhat before going into the HWT but 
also wondered if that would just cool the basement enough to offset the 
gain to the water.
I do intend to try that sort of thing out at the lake. I am going to run 
the cold water from the pump (from the lake) into a pressure tank 
outside in the sun during the day  and then on into the cabin. My hope 
is that it will supplement the small HWT we use out there. It probably 
won't help in the morning but if one showers in the early evening, the 
water in the outdoor tank should be quite a bit warmer than the water in 
the lake (except perhaps in early spring or late fall).

RB

On 08/04/2016 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Did you insulate it? That one appears to be in a basement, basements are 
> usually cold, it'd work way better insulated even with just a wrap of pink 
> fiberglass.
> -Curt
>
>        From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>  Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:01 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher 
>talk
>    
> On 07/04/2016 11:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Anybody rig up a heat exchanger between the drain water and cold water
>> supply of a shower? They are not too hard to fabricate from copper pipe.
>> Thinking to put some in. Could also be done between any hot water drain and
>> the inlet to hot water heater I suppose. Just thinking to save some energy
>> over the life of the plumbing (and not run out of hot water as fast as
>> otherwise would be the case).
>>
>> Karl
>> ___
>>
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Hot_water_heat_recycling_unit.jpg
>
> I installed one like this a number of years ago.
> It really only works with the shower. As the hot water runs down the
> drain, it warms the cold water in the coils wrapped around the main
> stack drain.
> The maker recommended it for feeding the cold water in to the hot water
> tank. They subsequently said it was slightly more efficient if it fed
> the whole system so that it was warming all of the water feeding the
> shower and not just the hot water side. I have thought about hooking the
> drain line from the dishwasher into it too so that the hot water being
> pumped out of the dishwasher would also warm the stack. Not sure how
> well that might work given that I doubt the dishwasher is taking in new
> hot water at the same time that it is pumping out the old water. Same
> with the washing machine. Given the washer is in the basement, it would
> require a pump to move the water up to the ceiling level so probably not
> worth the effort to try to make that happen.
> I have no idea whether it saves much energy. The primary theory was that
> it made your hot water tank act as though it was a bigger tank so one
> would not run out of hot water quite as quickly.
>
> I have checked the temperatures in and out while someone is using the
> shower and it certainly does boost the cold water temperature. I do not
> recall exactly how much so I won't guess for the purposes of this post.
> My recollection is that there is also a variance in terms of how well it
> does depending on how cold the incoming water is. I suppose it might
> also depend on how warm the person in the shower likes the water so my
> guess in that regard might be a bit unscientific.
>
> I think I paid something like $300 by the time I got it installed as I
> bought end caps that converted it from copper to ABS and soldered them
> on and then glued the assembly into the ABS main stack.
>
> It has been there for years and is totally maintenance free so over
> time, one would think it should earn back the cost.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] It is ALIVE

[clay via Mercedes]

Spent some time in FL on the beach.  CA as well.  Latin America for a decade.  
A few boat rides in the Caribbean with long term sun worshipers.  

There was nothing I put on the wheel that was able to make it slick.  Even the 
armor all could not have an effect.

clay


On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 08/04/2016 2:07 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> I got a few parts from a junk yard R107 earlier this week.  Steering wheel, 
>> cluster, console panels, valve covers...
>> 
>> The steering wheel was more complete than my installed one.  It is very aged 
>> and the rubber weathered and just clapped out.  Dan (Martha) thought a 
>> leather product would help.  I coated the rim with the leather stuff I had 
>> on hand.  Meguirs, Griots, Lexol just were not feeding well enough.  The 
>> wheel felt like the tanned skin of a Florida lizard woman.  I went down 
>> market and grabbed the ignored bottles of goop off my garage shelf.Armor 
>> all, turtle wax, generic, home show discard.  After slathering this on and 
>> no improvements from any products I thought old school might help.  I went 
>> to the closest Nordstroms and asked what would salvage a ladies handbag from 
>> the 1960's.  I spun it as some high end european fashion item going to a 
>> young lady as inheritance.  Good advice given, so I headed home.
>> 
>> I found the shoe shine box and started with basic black wax.  Dabbed that on 
>> out in the 80* sunshine.  After a half hour of massaging and buffing it was 
>> darker, but not pretty to the touch.  SWMBA left a bunch of handbag helper 
>> products that also work on shoes or vice versa.  Two different products of 
>> squirt cream/lotion got slathered on like the sun screen should have been on 
>> that 75 year old bikini model on the beach.  Instead of working it in, as I 
>> had with the other products, I kept it covered and wet.  It took an hour, 
>> but the wheel is finally getting supple enough to put in Froggy
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
> 
> Hope it is not slippery, and by the way, how do you know what the skin of a 
> tanned Florida lizard woman feels like?
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] It is ALIVE

[clay via Mercedes]

I think I just blurped a little in my mouth at the visual.

clay


On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:

> You need to move to Palm Beach and set up a restoration spa for the old beach 
> bunnies
> 
> --R
> 
> On 4/8/16 3:07 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:
>>  Two different products of squirt cream/lotion got slathered on like the sun 
>> screen should have been on that 75 year old bikini model on the beach.  
>> Instead of working it in, as I had with the other products, I kept it 
>> covered and wet.  It took an hour, but the wheel is finally getting supple 
>> enough to put in Froggy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb sez:

>‎It's not really hard water deposits >it's food deposits.
‎
Ah. Okay. ‎
Then on the drain cycle, after the wash cycle,(and probably rinse, too) isn't 
purging all of the detritus out of the tub. ‎Or the wash arms are plugged. 
Or?

Sign up here and ask. Best appliance forum I've found. 

http://appliancejunk.com/forums/index.php

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] It is ALIVE

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/04/2016 2:07 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

I got a few parts from a junk yard R107 earlier this week.  Steering wheel, 
cluster, console panels, valve covers...

The steering wheel was more complete than my installed one.  It is very aged 
and the rubber weathered and just clapped out.  Dan (Martha) thought a leather 
product would help.  I coated the rim with the leather stuff I had on hand.  
Meguirs, Griots, Lexol just were not feeding well enough.  The wheel felt like 
the tanned skin of a Florida lizard woman.  I went down market and grabbed the 
ignored bottles of goop off my garage shelf.Armor all, turtle wax, generic, 
home show discard.  After slathering this on and no improvements from any 
products I thought old school might help.  I went to the closest Nordstroms and 
asked what would salvage a ladies handbag from the 1960's.  I spun it as some 
high end european fashion item going to a young lady as inheritance.  Good 
advice given, so I headed home.

I found the shoe shine box and started with basic black wax.  Dabbed that on 
out in the 80* sunshine.  After a half hour of massaging and buffing it was 
darker, but not pretty to the touch.  SWMBA left a bunch of handbag helper 
products that also work on shoes or vice versa.  Two different products of 
squirt cream/lotion got slathered on like the sun screen should have been on 
that 75 year old bikini model on the beach.  Instead of working it in, as I had 
with the other products, I kept it covered and wet.  It took an hour, but the 
wheel is finally getting supple enough to put in Froggy


clay




Hope it is not slippery, and by the way, how do you know what the skin 
of a tanned Florida lizard woman feels like?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] It is ALIVE

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You need to move to Palm Beach and set up a restoration spa for the old 
beach bunnies


--R

On 4/8/16 3:07 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

  Two different products of squirt cream/lotion got slathered on like the sun 
screen should have been on that 75 year old bikini model on the beach.  Instead 
of working it in, as I had with the other products, I kept it covered and wet.  
It took an hour, but the wheel is finally getting supple enough to put in Froggy



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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Wilton, 
I know the disposal is designed with the option to tie in the DW, but unless 
you feel some strong need, I would not. Again, my disposal is now 17 years old 
and going strong...separate from the DW. And the MayTag DW is plumbed before 
the trap. I still think Kaleb's problem is more the plumbing sequence than the 
DW. But I also know that new Bosch DW is "burning a whole in his pocket" and 
he'll want to install it to keep up with Dan. Whatever makes everyone happy. 
Again, it's your money and not mine. 
Good luck and best wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

No, I have not insulated it.
I have considered it but wondered if I would do more harm than good from 
an energy point of view.
My basement is heated so not all that cold and the water coming in would 
be cold, especially in winter, so if there is no water running through 
the pipes, it has an opportunity to acclimatize to the temperature of 
the basement before going into the HWT.
I had considered putting a big presure tank in the basement so it would 
fill with cold water and warm somewhat before going into the HWT but 
also wondered if that would just cool the basement enough to offset the 
gain to the water.
I do intend to try that sort of thing out at the lake. I am going to run 
the cold water from the pump (from the lake) into a pressure tank 
outside in the sun during the day  and then on into the cabin. My hope 
is that it will supplement the small HWT we use out there. It probably 
won't help in the morning but if one showers in the early evening, the 
water in the outdoor tank should be quite a bit warmer than the water in 
the lake (except perhaps in early spring or late fall).


RB

On 08/04/2016 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Did you insulate it? That one appears to be in a basement, basements are 
usually cold, it'd work way better insulated even with just a wrap of pink 
fiberglass.
-Curt

   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
  Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

On 07/04/2016 11:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Anybody rig up a heat exchanger between the drain water and cold water
supply of a shower? They are not too hard to fabricate from copper pipe.
Thinking to put some in. Could also be done between any hot water drain and
the inlet to hot water heater I suppose. Just thinking to save some energy
over the life of the plumbing (and not run out of hot water as fast as
otherwise would be the case).

Karl
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Hot_water_heat_recycling_unit.jpg

I installed one like this a number of years ago.
It really only works with the shower. As the hot water runs down the
drain, it warms the cold water in the coils wrapped around the main
stack drain.
The maker recommended it for feeding the cold water in to the hot water
tank. They subsequently said it was slightly more efficient if it fed
the whole system so that it was warming all of the water feeding the
shower and not just the hot water side. I have thought about hooking the
drain line from the dishwasher into it too so that the hot water being
pumped out of the dishwasher would also warm the stack. Not sure how
well that might work given that I doubt the dishwasher is taking in new
hot water at the same time that it is pumping out the old water. Same
with the washing machine. Given the washer is in the basement, it would
require a pump to move the water up to the ceiling level so probably not
worth the effort to try to make that happen.
I have no idea whether it saves much energy. The primary theory was that
it made your hot water tank act as though it was a bigger tank so one
would not run out of hot water quite as quickly.

I have checked the temperatures in and out while someone is using the
shower and it certainly does boost the cold water temperature. I do not
recall exactly how much so I won't guess for the purposes of this post.
My recollection is that there is also a variance in terms of how well it
does depending on how cold the incoming water is. I suppose it might
also depend on how warm the person in the shower likes the water so my
guess in that regard might be a bit unscientific.

I think I paid something like $300 by the time I got it installed as I
bought end caps that converted it from copper to ABS and soldered them
on and then glued the assembly into the ABS main stack.

It has been there for years and is totally maintenance free so over
time, one would think it should earn back the cost.

RB

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[MBZ] It is ALIVE

[clay via Mercedes]

I got a few parts from a junk yard R107 earlier this week.  Steering wheel, 
cluster, console panels, valve covers...

The steering wheel was more complete than my installed one.  It is very aged 
and the rubber weathered and just clapped out.  Dan (Martha) thought a leather 
product would help.  I coated the rim with the leather stuff I had on hand.  
Meguirs, Griots, Lexol just were not feeding well enough.  The wheel felt like 
the tanned skin of a Florida lizard woman.  I went down market and grabbed the 
ignored bottles of goop off my garage shelf.Armor all, turtle wax, generic, 
home show discard.  After slathering this on and no improvements from any 
products I thought old school might help.  I went to the closest Nordstroms and 
asked what would salvage a ladies handbag from the 1960's.  I spun it as some 
high end european fashion item going to a young lady as inheritance.  Good 
advice given, so I headed home.

I found the shoe shine box and started with basic black wax.  Dabbed that on 
out in the 80* sunshine.  After a half hour of massaging and buffing it was 
darker, but not pretty to the touch.  SWMBA left a bunch of handbag helper 
products that also work on shoes or vice versa.  Two different products of 
squirt cream/lotion got slathered on like the sun screen should have been on 
that 75 year old bikini model on the beach.  Instead of working it in, as I had 
with the other products, I kept it covered and wet.  It took an hour, but the 
wheel is finally getting supple enough to put in Froggy 


clay 

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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did you insulate it? That one appears to be in a basement, basements are 
usually cold, it'd work way better insulated even with just a wrap of pink 
fiberglass.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
On 07/04/2016 11:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> Anybody rig up a heat exchanger between the drain water and cold water
> supply of a shower? They are not too hard to fabricate from copper pipe.
> Thinking to put some in. Could also be done between any hot water drain and
> the inlet to hot water heater I suppose. Just thinking to save some energy
> over the life of the plumbing (and not run out of hot water as fast as
> otherwise would be the case).
>
> Karl
> ___
>
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Hot_water_heat_recycling_unit.jpg

I installed one like this a number of years ago.
It really only works with the shower. As the hot water runs down the 
drain, it warms the cold water in the coils wrapped around the main 
stack drain.
The maker recommended it for feeding the cold water in to the hot water 
tank. They subsequently said it was slightly more efficient if it fed 
the whole system so that it was warming all of the water feeding the 
shower and not just the hot water side. I have thought about hooking the 
drain line from the dishwasher into it too so that the hot water being 
pumped out of the dishwasher would also warm the stack. Not sure how 
well that might work given that I doubt the dishwasher is taking in new 
hot water at the same time that it is pumping out the old water. Same 
with the washing machine. Given the washer is in the basement, it would 
require a pump to move the water up to the ceiling level so probably not 
worth the effort to try to make that happen.
I have no idea whether it saves much energy. The primary theory was that 
it made your hot water tank act as though it was a bigger tank so one 
would not run out of hot water quite as quickly.

I have checked the temperatures in and out while someone is using the 
shower and it certainly does boost the cold water temperature. I do not 
recall exactly how much so I won't guess for the purposes of this post.
My recollection is that there is also a variance in terms of how well it 
does depending on how cold the incoming water is. I suppose it might 
also depend on how warm the person in the shower likes the water so my 
guess in that regard might be a bit unscientific.

I think I paid something like $300 by the time I got it installed as I 
bought end caps that converted it from copper to ABS and soldered them 
on and then glued the assembly into the ABS main stack.

It has been there for years and is totally maintenance free so over 
time, one would think it should earn back the cost.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Test

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Loud and clear.
I mean, fail

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 3:00 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Test
   
I'm not sure my last few emails have gotten through. So, this is a test. 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 07/04/2016 11:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Anybody rig up a heat exchanger between the drain water and cold water
supply of a shower? They are not too hard to fabricate from copper pipe.
Thinking to put some in. Could also be done between any hot water drain and
the inlet to hot water heater I suppose. Just thinking to save some energy
over the life of the plumbing (and not run out of hot water as fast as
otherwise would be the case).

Karl
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I installed one like this a number of years ago.
It really only works with the shower. As the hot water runs down the 
drain, it warms the cold water in the coils wrapped around the main 
stack drain.
The maker recommended it for feeding the cold water in to the hot water 
tank. They subsequently said it was slightly more efficient if it fed 
the whole system so that it was warming all of the water feeding the 
shower and not just the hot water side. I have thought about hooking the 
drain line from the dishwasher into it too so that the hot water being 
pumped out of the dishwasher would also warm the stack. Not sure how 
well that might work given that I doubt the dishwasher is taking in new 
hot water at the same time that it is pumping out the old water. Same 
with the washing machine. Given the washer is in the basement, it would 
require a pump to move the water up to the ceiling level so probably not 
worth the effort to try to make that happen.
I have no idea whether it saves much energy. The primary theory was that 
it made your hot water tank act as though it was a bigger tank so one 
would not run out of hot water quite as quickly.


I have checked the temperatures in and out while someone is using the 
shower and it certainly does boost the cold water temperature. I do not 
recall exactly how much so I won't guess for the purposes of this post.
My recollection is that there is also a variance in terms of how well it 
does depending on how cold the incoming water is. I suppose it might 
also depend on how warm the person in the shower likes the water so my 
guess in that regard might be a bit unscientific.


I think I paid something like $300 by the time I got it installed as I 
bought end caps that converted it from copper to ABS and soldered them 
on and then glued the assembly into the ABS main stack.


It has been there for years and is totally maintenance free so over 
time, one would think it should earn back the cost.


RB

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[MBZ] Test

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

I'm not sure my last few emails have gotten through. So, this is a test. 

Roger Hale 
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

M1 ATF is $10 at the FLAPS around me, $9.31 at Autohaus AZ.

Pep Boys has a 15% off deal on all oils now, so $8.50 / qt.  Discount code
for online checkout is PEP15OIL

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> Where?
>
> Mobil1 ATF is usually around $12-$14/quart. Places like Advanced Auto
> don't allow coupon and promo codes to be used on it, either.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Apr 8, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On April 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Earlier this morning, it was 6.99 or 7.99 on clearance with a regular
> price of 12.99.
> >>
> > Now it's on sale for 12.99 with a regular price of 14.99.
> >
> > I guess they sold all that they wanted to sell for the lower price.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Solar hot water is in my 10 year plan, my aunt and uncle got it and can't say 
enough good things. Payback on solar hot water is usually quoted in the 5-7 
year range.
Before we get there we need a new roof and furnace, roof will be this year, 
maybe the furnace next year and solar hot water the next or maybe I'll take a 
note and do both of those at the same time which might save some money.
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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Cc: Meade Dillon 
 Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 2:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
I would invest in a solar water heater, may have to if the greenie weenies
keep driving the cost of electricity up...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:27:40 -0700 clay via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > The better way to get hot water would be an on demand heater
>
> On-demand water heaters are less efficient and cost saving than you are
> led to believe, particularly gas on-demand heaters.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I would invest in a solar water heater, may have to if the greenie weenies
keep driving the cost of electricity up...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:27:40 -0700 clay via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > The better way to get hot water would be an on demand heater
>
> On-demand water heaters are less efficient and cost saving than you are
> led to believe, particularly gas on-demand heaters.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Then you can discharge the DW drain into the disposer port provided for it. 
In preparing the disposer for it, don't forget to punch out the plug inside 
the port.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory


Have not messed with the drain yet. I think my plan is I am going to redo 
the under sink stuff and install a disposal at the same time I swap in the 
Bosch, then keep the maytag to replace the lower end kitchenaid in my rent 
house.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Did you ever  fix the drain?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade
and not any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the
cleaner thru it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses 
that
appeared to start getting those deposits on them again. I guess this 
washer
will not get anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe 
the

Bosch I have not decided what to do with yet will be better.

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[MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Did you reverse your drain line as others suggested? I think it would be worth 
a try as it appears to be a simple unscrew, move and reconnect. 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto coupon???

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Related question.  I can get a new OEM Behr radiator for about $75 more
than the Nissens at Rock Auto.  Is that worth the extra $$?

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hmmm, what could go wrong?  Total coolant loss, overheated engine, blown
> head-gasket and/or warped head.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > What do people think about my getting an "APDI Pro" radiator for just
> > $100?  The Nissens costs $179 + S&H
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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 11:27:40 -0700 clay via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The better way to get hot water would be an on demand heater

On-demand water heaters are less efficient and cost saving than you are
led to believe, particularly gas on-demand heaters.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OK, it only *feels *like 45 minutes, but it must be at least 30.  I know
firsthand.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Your car burns a quart of disel purge in much less than 45 minutes. You're
> just afraid to work on your car is all...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Dan Penoff <
> dpen...@verizon.net>
>  Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 2:26 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48
>
> The problem is that I have no place to idle my car for 45 minutes that
> isn't exposed to the world at large.  :(.
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > While picking up my semi-annual can of 3M Adhesive Remover from the local
> > NAPA store, I was pleased to see that they had a whole shelf devoted to
> > diesel stuff, which included cans of Diesel Purge. It wasn't expensive,
> > either, like $9.00/can
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Apr 8, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.
> > >
> > > The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:
> > >
> > > 1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)
> > >
> > > 2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)
> > >
> > > 3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's
> foot
> > > plus extension rod, and
> > >
> > > 4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),
> > >
> > > 5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).
> > >
> > > I will sell the car before trying number 5.
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto coupon???

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Hmmm, what could go wrong?  Total coolant loss, overheated engine, blown
head-gasket and/or warped head.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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>
> What do people think about my getting an "APDI Pro" radiator for just
> $100?  The Nissens costs $179 + S&H
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto coupon???

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think you have a poor record with cheaping out and should have learned from 
your mistakes before now.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mitch Haley ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto coupon???
   
Thanks, Mitch.

What do people think about my getting an "APDI Pro" radiator for just
$100?  The Nissens costs $179 + S&H.

http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/mercedes-benz,1985,300td,3.0l+l5+diesel+turbocharged,1194342,cooling+system,radiator,2172


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> There's always a 5% coupon.
>
> https://www.coupons.com/coupon-codes/rock-auto/
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Your car burns a quart of disel purge in much less than 45 minutes. You're just 
afraid to work on your car is all...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel ; Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 2:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48
   
The problem is that I have no place to idle my car for 45 minutes that
isn't exposed to the world at large.  :(.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> While picking up my semi-annual can of 3M Adhesive Remover from the local
> NAPA store, I was pleased to see that they had a whole shelf devoted to
> diesel stuff, which included cans of Diesel Purge. It wasn't expensive,
> either, like $9.00/can
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Apr 8, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.
> >
> > The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:
> >
> > 1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)
> >
> > 2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)
> >
> > 3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's foot
> > plus extension rod, and
> >
> > 4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),
> >
> > 5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).
> >
> > I will sell the car before trying number 5.
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] "These cars look good bagged"

[clay via Mercedes]

Contemporary with the car.  It would be found in the back seat while both were 
new


On Apr 8, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Not that I clicked on the link, but where's the Benz content?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes.  Like the National Lampoon magazine contest, “Send us a picture of
>> your girlfriend naked with a bucket over her head”.
>> 
>> VERY NSFW or those with sensitive eyes/tastes:
>> 
>> http://imgur.com/gallery/IWCME
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is that like a bag over her head?
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> 1982 300CD
>>> 1990 300D
>>> Wickford RI
>>> On Apr 7, 2016 8:20 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" >> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Whatever that means.
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/5528578263.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] Might be decent

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

He lost the key?

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> One would think, that if it ran, he would have backed it out into the
> daylight for the photos.
>
> RB
>
> On 07/04/2016 9:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that's a good deal - if it runs and has no rust.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Me want.  Now.
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>>
>>> On April 7, 2016 7:34:10 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>

 1969 Collector 4 speed Mercedes Benz 280SE ( Euro Model )
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto coupon???

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks, Mitch.

What do people think about my getting an "APDI Pro" radiator for just
$100?  The Nissens costs $179 + S&H.

http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/mercedes-benz,1985,300td,3.0l+l5+diesel+turbocharged,1194342,cooling+system,radiator,2172


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> There's always a 5% coupon.
>
> https://www.coupons.com/coupon-codes/rock-auto/
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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[clay via Mercedes]

I am thinking it would take a bunch of hot water to be able to gain any 
calories that way.  Locker room, prison shower, commercial laundry.. that would 
have enough water.  The better way to get hot water would be an on demand heater

clay

On Apr 7, 2016, at 9:23 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

> Anybody rig up a heat exchanger between the drain water and cold water
> supply of a shower? They are not too hard to fabricate from copper pipe.
> Thinking to put some in. Could also be done between any hot water drain and
> the inlet to hot water heater I suppose. Just thinking to save some energy
> over the life of the plumbing (and not run out of hot water as fast as
> otherwise would be the case).
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Might be decent

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

One would think, that if it ran, he would have backed it out into the 
daylight for the photos.


RB

On 07/04/2016 9:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah, that's a good deal - if it runs and has no rust.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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Me want.  Now.
--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

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1969 Collector 4 speed Mercedes Benz 280SE ( Euro Model )
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The problem is that I have no place to idle my car for 45 minutes that
isn't exposed to the world at large.  :(.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> While picking up my semi-annual can of 3M Adhesive Remover from the local
> NAPA store, I was pleased to see that they had a whole shelf devoted to
> diesel stuff, which included cans of Diesel Purge. It wasn't expensive,
> either, like $9.00/can
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Apr 8, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.
> >
> > The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:
> >
> > 1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)
> >
> > 2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)
> >
> > 3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's foot
> > plus extension rod, and
> >
> > 4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),
> >
> > 5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).
> >
> > I will sell the car before trying number 5.
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Rock Auto coupon???

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

There's always a 5% coupon.https://www.coupons.com/coupon-codes/rock-auto/
 

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Re: [MBZ] "These cars look good bagged"

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Not that I looked, but how is a trash defined as a bucket?

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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> The third picture was of a girl named Mercedes
>
> --R
>
> On 4/8/16 1:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Not that I clicked on the link, but where's the Benz content?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes.  Like the National Lampoon magazine contest, “Send us a picture of
>>> your girlfriend naked with a bucket over her head”.
>>>
>>> VERY NSFW or those with sensitive eyes/tastes:
>>>
>>> http://imgur.com/gallery/IWCME
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <

>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 Is that like a bag over her head?

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 1982 300CD
 1990 300D
 Wickford RI
 On Apr 7, 2016 8:20 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com

 wrote:

 Whatever that means.
>
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/5528578263.html
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Where?

Mobil1 ATF is usually around $12-$14/quart. Places like Advanced Auto don't 
allow coupon and promo codes to be used on it, either.

Dan

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> 
> 
>> On April 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Earlier this morning, it was 6.99 or 7.99 on clearance with a regular price 
>> of 12.99.
>> 
> Now it's on sale for 12.99 with a regular price of 14.99.
> 
> I guess they sold all that they wanted to sell for the lower price. 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

While picking up my semi-annual can of 3M Adhesive Remover from the local NAPA 
store, I was pleased to see that they had a whole shelf devoted to diesel 
stuff, which included cans of Diesel Purge. It wasn't expensive, either, like 
$9.00/can

Dan

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> On Apr 8, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.
> 
> The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:
> 
> 1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)
> 
> 2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)
> 
> 3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's foot
> plus extension rod, and
> 
> 4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),
> 
> 5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).
> 
> I will sell the car before trying number 5.
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So are you saying it's good for the electronic boxes?

I'm curious, as I've got to do the R129 soon and it's got one of the electronic 
transmissions.

Dan

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> Valvoline max life is much cheaper that that at Walmart and is 722.6 approved.
> 
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>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the heads up, Jaime! I just bought 10 liters. Much cheaper than 
>> Mobil1.
>> 
>> Now if they would just do this for the fluid used on the 722.6 boxes
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My beloved transmission fluid is on sale:
>>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/auto-trans-fluid-0009899203
>>> 
>>> Its perfect for all MB transmissions from the earliest fluid coupling
>>> boxes, up to 722.4 in the 90s.  Also for manual transmissions.
>>> 
>>> I bought 35 liters :-)
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] "These cars look good bagged"

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The third picture was of a girl named Mercedes

--R

On 4/8/16 1:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Not that I clicked on the link, but where's the Benz content?

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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Yes.  Like the National Lampoon magazine contest, “Send us a picture of
your girlfriend naked with a bucket over her head”.

VERY NSFW or those with sensitive eyes/tastes:

http://imgur.com/gallery/IWCME

Dan



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Is that like a bag over her head?

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Apr 7, 2016 8:20 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
Whatever that means.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/5528578263.html

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Flint's water turned lead all of a sudden.
The "fix" for lead leaching out of pipes is to add lime to the water. All that 
calcium makes for hard water. Maybe your water district is worried about lead.
-Curt

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It's not really hard water deposits it's good deposits. Would water turn hard 
all the sudden?

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> 
> Kaleb sez:
> 
>> I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade
>> and not any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the
>> cleaner thru it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses that
>> appeared to start getting those deposits on them again.
> 
> Your water is as hard as a rock. Check your water softener. If you don't have 
> one, get a water sample checked. I'd bet hard water is your problem.
> 
> Rick 
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> 
> Did you ever fix the drain?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM, ‎I guess this washer
>> will not get anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe the
>> Bosch I have not decided what to do with yet will be better.
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

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Make that FOOD deposits

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> On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> It's not really hard water deposits it's good deposits. Would water turn hard 
> all the sudden?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Kaleb sez:
>> 
>>> I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade
>>> and not any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the
>>> cleaner thru it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses that
>>> appeared to start getting those deposits on them again.
>> 
>> Your water is as hard as a rock. Check your water softener. If you don't 
>> have one, get a water sample checked. I'd bet hard water is your problem.
>> 
>> Rick 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
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>> From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory
>> 
>> Did you ever fix the drain?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM, ‎I guess this washer
>>> will not get anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe the
>>> Bosch I have not decided what to do with yet will be better.
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

CHANGE YOUR FUSES!

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's not really hard water deposits it's good deposits. Would water turn
> hard all the sudden?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb sez:
> >
> >> I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade
> >> and not any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the
> >> cleaner thru it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses
> that
> >> appeared to start getting those deposits on them again.
> >
> > Your water is as hard as a rock. Check your water softener. If you don't
> have one, get a water sample checked. I'd bet hard water is your problem.
> >
> > Rick
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
> >   Original Message
> > From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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> >
> > Did you ever fix the drain?
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM, ‎I guess this washer
> >> will not get anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe
> the
> >> Bosch I have not decided what to do with yet will be better.
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[MBZ] Rock Auto coupon???

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I am about to order a radiator from Rock Auto.  If someone has a discount
code or coupon lying around I'd be happy to take it off your hands.

Andrew

1983 300TD - about to go in the body shop for prettification
1985 300TD - slowly leaking radiator
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's not really hard water deposits it's good deposits. Would water turn hard 
all the sudden?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb sez:
> 
>> I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade
>> and not any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the
>> cleaner thru it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses that
>> appeared to start getting those deposits on them again.
> 
> Your water is as hard as a rock. Check your water softener. If you don't have 
> one, get a water sample checked. I'd bet hard water is your problem.
> 
> Rick 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory
> 
> Did you ever fix the drain?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM, ‎I guess this washer
>> will not get anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe the
>> Bosch I have not decided what to do with yet will be better.
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Kaleb sez:

> I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade
> and not any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the
> cleaner thru it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses that
> appeared to start getting those deposits on them again.

Your water is as hard as a rock. Check your water softener. If you don't have 
one, get a water sample checked. I'd bet hard water is your problem.

Rick 
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Did you ever fix the drain?

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Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM, ‎I guess this washer
> will not get anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe the
> Bosch I have not decided what to do with yet will be better.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Have not messed with the drain yet. I think my plan is I am going to redo the 
under sink stuff and install a disposal at the same time I swap in the Bosch, 
then keep the maytag to replace the lower end kitchenaid in my rent house.

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> On Apr 8, 2016, at 12:48 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you ever  fix the drain?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade
>> and not any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the
>> cleaner thru it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses that
>> appeared to start getting those deposits on them again. I guess this washer
>> will not get anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe the
>> Bosch I have not decided what to do with yet will be better.
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Re: [MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Did you ever fix the drain?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade
> and not any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the
> cleaner thru it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses that
> appeared to start getting those deposits on them again. I guess this washer
> will not get anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe the
> Bosch I have not decided what to do with yet will be better.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What does it cure or prevent that justifies such a shocking price?

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> On April 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 07:36:53 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the heads up, Jaime! I just bought 10 liters. Much cheaper
> than Mobil1.
>
> This item, Mercedes Auto Trans Fluid (1 Liter) - Febi 0009899203
> is on sale for $12.99.
>
> How much is Mobil1?
>
>
> Earlier this morning, it was 6.99 or 7.99 on clearance with a regular
> price of 12.99.
>
> Now it's on sale for 12.99 with a regular price of 14.99.
>
> I guess they sold all that they wanted to sell for the lower price.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] fer y'all out East

[Tim Crone via Mercedes]

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:
> http://ironhorseauction.com/drivepetty/
>
> Surplus NASCAR stuff.

Is this from last year, or this upcoming December?

The speedway is only a couple miles from my wife's apartment, not that
I know what half of this stuff is...
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.

The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:

1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)

2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)

3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's foot
plus extension rod, and

4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),

5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).

I will sell the car before trying number 5.


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:29 AM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> While there is no cold idle enrichment, there is an idle speed control
> inside the pump which, in conjunction with the external user adjustable
> idle speed setting, should keep the engine idling at the correct speed.
> This is all part of the speed governing system and is adjusted when the
> pump is being set up on the injection bench. This governing system should
> work not only when the engine is cold but also should work to increase or
> decrease the injection amount in response to load on the engine at idle to
> keep the idle speed at the externally set speed at all times. As the pump
> ages and gunk builds up internally this adjustment may not work as well as
> it should. It's possible that doing the diesel purge cleaning will fix it
> but the real fix is to rebuild the pump at which time all those internal
> adjustments will or should be reset to the correct specs.
>
> For those who have a car with the 617 engine you may have noticed the
> slight increase of idle speed followed by a reduction of that speed as the
> engine warms up after a cold start in the morning. I have noticed this
> often and it may happen several times if you let the car sit there and warm
> up. That is not to say that you should do this or even that it is good for
> the engine but it will happen if you get a chance to try this. That said I
> also have a couple of cars in which I have noticed the same problem as
> Andrew has with his. Those cars also will not increase the idle when the AC
> compressor turns on. Does it bother me? Yeah, a little bit but not enough
> to do anything about it right now.
>
> Manfred
>
>
> --
>>
>> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:31:48 -0500
>> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls
>> Message-ID:
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>> fugkj.3905b06d3e.b7debb87-eed3-4032-9c1d-1d80660b5...@striplin.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii
>>
>> The 617 does not have any sort of fuel enrichment or idle up feature
>> which I believe the 60x does have some sort of fuel enrichment. Maybe his
>> idle is just set too low to begin with.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] fer y'all out East

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

That was last December

--R

On 4/8/16 12:01 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

http://ironhorseauction.com/drivepetty/

Surplus NASCAR stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] "These cars look good bagged"

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not that I clicked on the link, but where's the Benz content?

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 5:28 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes.  Like the National Lampoon magazine contest, “Send us a picture of
> your girlfriend naked with a bucket over her head”.
>
> VERY NSFW or those with sensitive eyes/tastes:
>
> http://imgur.com/gallery/IWCME
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is that like a bag over her head?
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 1990 300D
> > Wickford RI
> > On Apr 7, 2016 8:20 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Whatever that means.
> >>
> >> http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/5528578263.html
> >>
> >> Dan
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[MBZ] fer y'all out East

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

http://ironhorseauction.com/drivepetty/

Surplus NASCAR stuff.

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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On April 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 07:36:53 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:Thanks for the heads up, Jaime! I just bought 10 liters. Much cheaperthan Mobil1.This item, Mercedes Auto Trans Fluid (1 Liter) - Febi 0009899203is on sale for $12.99.How much is Mobil1?Earlier this morning, it was 6.99 or 7.99 on clearance with a regular price of 12.99.Now it's on sale for 12.99 with a regular price of 14.99.I guess they sold all that they wanted to sell for the lower price. Mitch.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Valvoline max life is much cheaper that that at Walmart and is 722.6 approved.

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> On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the heads up, Jaime! I just bought 10 liters. Much cheaper than 
> Mobil1.
> 
> Now if they would just do this for the fluid used on the 722.6 boxes
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 7:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My beloved transmission fluid is on sale:
>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/auto-trans-fluid-0009899203
>> 
>> Its perfect for all MB transmissions from the earliest fluid coupling
>> boxes, up to 722.4 in the 90s.  Also for manual transmissions.
>> 
>> I bought 35 liters :-)
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 8 Apr 2016 07:36:53 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks for the heads up, Jaime! I just bought 10 liters. Much cheaper
> than Mobil1.

This item, Mercedes Auto Trans Fluid (1 Liter) - Febi 0009899203
is on sale for $12.99.

How much is Mobil1?


Craig


> > My beloved transmission fluid is on sale:
> > https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/auto-trans-fluid-0009899203
> > 
> > Its perfect for all MB transmissions from the earliest fluid coupling
> > boxes, up to 722.4 in the 90s.  Also for manual transmissions.

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[MBZ] Short lived dishwasher victory

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I ran another load last night in the maytag this time just with cascade and not 
any of that booster stuff I used the other day after running the cleaner thru 
it. Dishes came out ok but I did have a couple of glasses that appeared to 
start getting those deposits on them again. I guess this washer will not get 
anything clean without some sort of booster added. Maybe the Bosch I have not 
decided what to do with yet will be better.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I have my doubts about the potential energy retained vs the energy required to 
get it. The water coming down the drain will never be that hot and you don't 
have much time to extract heat from it...
-Curt

  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 To: "mercedes@okiebenz com"  
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
 Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 12:23 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] hot water heat exchangers WAS Yet even more dishwasher talk
   
Anybody rig up a heat exchanger between the drain water and cold water
supply of a shower? They are not too hard to fabricate from copper pipe.
Thinking to put some in. Could also be done between any hot water drain and
the inlet to hot water heater I suppose. Just thinking to save some energy
over the life of the plumbing (and not run out of hot water as fast as
otherwise would be the case).

Karl
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 125, Issue 48

[MG via Mercedes]

While there is no cold idle enrichment, there is an idle speed 
control inside the pump which, in conjunction with the external 
user adjustable idle speed setting, should keep the engine idling 
at the correct speed. This is all part of the speed governing 
system and is adjusted when the pump is being set up on the 
injection bench. This governing system should work not only when 
the engine is cold but also should work to increase or decrease 
the injection amount in response to load on the engine at idle to 
keep the idle speed at the externally set speed at all times. As 
the pump ages and gunk builds up internally this adjustment may 
not work as well as it should. It's possible that doing the 
diesel purge cleaning will fix it but the real fix is to rebuild 
the pump at which time all those internal adjustments will or 
should be reset to the correct specs.


For those who have a car with the 617 engine you may have noticed 
the slight increase of idle speed followed by a reduction of that 
speed as the engine warms up after a cold start in the morning. I 
have noticed this often and it may happen several times if you 
let the car sit there and warm up. That is not to say that you 
should do this or even that it is good for the engine but it will 
happen if you get a chance to try this. That said I also have a 
couple of cars in which I have noticed the same problem as Andrew 
has with his. Those cars also will not increase the idle when the 
AC compressor turns on. Does it bother me? Yeah, a little bit but 
not enough to do anything about it right now.


Manfred



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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 13:31:48 -0500
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls
Message-ID:

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The 617 does not have any sort of fuel enrichment or idle up feature which I 
believe the 60x does have some sort of fuel enrichment. Maybe his idle is just 
set too low to begin with.


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