Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

2016-06-30 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 22:15:57 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes wrote: > You can call the buried stuff finder line, 811? Just tell them you are > going to do some construction and you need to find various lines. guy > will come out in a day or two, walk around with his

Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

2016-06-30 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
You can call the buried stuff finder line, 811? Just tell them you are going to do some construction and you need to find various lines. guy will come out in a day or two, walk around with his magic wand, and paint your stuff, phone, electric, water, gas, whatever you have. No cost.

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
for the kids today, an app on their cell phone might work just as well. So long as they don't need to look up! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

2016-06-30 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Are any of us okiebenz readers familiar with dowsing? Weirdest shit ever. But I guess that for those whom it works at all, it works well. My grandfather, I believe, could find water. But his brother couldn't. I tried as a kid. Nada. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

2016-06-30 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Recommend you get a toner set, which generates a radio signal using your buried wire as the antenna. A receiver comes with the tool, move that around in the area you suspect that the unknown end of the wire is located. Gets the job done. I think Harbor Freight sells a cheapo version? No

Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

2016-06-30 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Mtn man asks: >Are any of us okiebenz readers >familiar with dowsing? >What is the best material to use >for dowsing? Coat hangers, or I suppose any ferrous rod will work. My friend from work was doing that just yesterday. Rick  Sent from my BlackBerry Z10‎

[MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

2016-06-30 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Are any of us okiebenz readers familiar with dowsing? What is the best material to use for dowsing? The barn here has electric electric outlets and lights but we are unable to locate the power feed from the nearby warehouse onsite. In the barn the feed comes in from under thr concrete slab. The

Re: [MBZ] Here you go poos

2016-06-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Thanks for pointing those out. I already found a set. Dan > On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > 91 Mercedes 350SDL Fuel Injectors > http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/5638535514.html > > via cPro for Craigslist > iOS:

[MBZ] Here you go poos

2016-06-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
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[MBZ] 'nother one

2016-06-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
MB related this time:http://worcester.craigslist.org/pts/5661465619.html Trying to make some space in my garage. I'd give any of you 1/3 off and deliver to ChowdaQ if somebody wanted. I've got a bunch of MB Parts, need to get out and catalog what I've got and come up with some approximate

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
That's for the totals, look at the rate per 100 million miles driven - it's still going down. I suspect that it's due to all those safety things that MB keeps inventing and allowing others to freely copy/use. On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Traffic fatality trends: http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/overview-of-fatality-facts#Trends Looks like we've hit a plateau. I blame (fill in the blank) !!! Note that the plateau started around 1992, there was a large drop for the 2008/9 recession (fewer miles

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
If you don't like how the cars are being built, don't buy them. Build your own to your own specs - you'll have no one but yourself to blame for any failures, but you'll also have the knowledge to fix/change them. Aircraft likewise - hence the Wittman Tailwind I'm building. On Thu, Jun 30, 2016

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The 787 rollout wasn't what you'd call a smashing success, several battery issues one of which IIRC filled a plane with smoke. Still both Boeing and Airbus make astonishingly safe aircraft that fly millions of miles between incidents. Many (most?) of the "issues" are human related, not the

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
Allahuwa Akbar Airlines --JC On 6/30/16 12:40 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Much so. Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the Mediterranean? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Yes, I think so. Boeing had an issue recently too with a plane on fire - Singapore maybe? They got everyone off alive. RB On 30/06/2016 11:40 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Much so. Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the Mediterranean? Wilton On 30/06/2016 10:52

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Much so. Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the Mediterranean? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Randy Bennell" Sent:

Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling

2016-06-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On June 30, 2016 at 12:21 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:Propane is $.89 a gallon now. Whazzit? R600? That might make an economical refrigerant for the shop.Economical, but I wonder about purity. The best stuff that's bought by the gallon is HD5, which is at least 90%

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 30/06/2016 10:57 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Reminds me: 12-year-old grandson showed me how to use the nav system in Schwartze (MB 211). Wilton Yes, the very young children have grown up with things like cell phones, iPads and laptop computers. Our 9 year old great niece works the

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Reminds me of something I read once, a farmer complaining that the tractor had ruined farming and his sons would never know how to farm with horses.His buddy replies "I never learned to farm with oxen and I seem to have done alright." I think every generation rails that the younger generation is

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
'Reminds me: 12-year-old grandson showed me how to use the nav system in Schwartze (MB 211). Wilton - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Randy Bennell" Sent:

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 30/06/2016 10:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: A flat battery would ruin your day. Fred Reminds me of the old poster that said, "one little nuclear bomb can just ruin your whole day". RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 30/06/2016 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Fly Boeing. Wilton Is that like, if it is not Boeing, I am not going? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 30/06/2016 10:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Randy, et al. A flat battery would ruin your day. Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc. In the split second available, could it be done effectively? I think

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Fly Boeing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Curt Raymond" Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
A podcast I listen to recently included the line "People wouldn't die". I sent them a note mentioning that EVERYBODY will die at some point, maybe they meant "people wouldn't die right now". They were good enough to correct themselves in a later episode... -Curt From: Fred Moir via

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
I'm wondering how those cars will fare in the zombie apocalypse... - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Skynet will soon be here to do it all for us > > --JC > > ___

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Joel. Your faith in technology is sweet. My life-long observation of the brilliance/greed/and plain ego driven designs make me very wary of claims of omnipotence. "They are lousy shots, they'll never hit me from he." Trust but verify and train to handle all foreseeable faults, and

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Hmm, I hadn't thought of it before but in an accident where battery power fails do you end up with a car you can't put into park? Of course in a bad front end collision I can see the linkage for a shifter getting destroyed too. I'm not a fan of the electric parking brake concept. I can see

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
Skynet will soon be here to do it all for us --JC On 6/30/16 11:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Randy, et al. A flat battery would ruin your day. Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc. In the split second

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Randy, et al. A flat battery would ruin your day. Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc. In the split second available, could it be done effectively? I think not. YMMV Fred For us old folks who grew up with

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 29/06/2016 11:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Yup. A shift lever, even if it is only hooked to wires, can be operated on instinct/adreneline. (Shove it in park as soon as it stops after an accident.) that will never happen with a rotary switch on the console. There has to be

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 29/06/2016 11:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: I saw a GenU-wine 57 plymie today! Running down the road, pushbuttons and all! Faded red with a white top. BIG fins! Trailing a plume of blue smoke? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling

2016-06-30 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes
Hank Hill can fix you up --JC On 6/30/16 12:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Propane is $.89 a gallon now. Whazzit? R600? That might make an economical refrigerant for the shop. Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes June 29, 2016 at 8:02 PM Oh boy Sent

Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

2016-06-30 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
I can attest to that - "Shove it into park as soon as it stops after an accident," that is. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curley McLain via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Curley McLain" <126die...@gmail.com> Sent:

Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
We went over this some years ago but as I recall the argument is that you're going to charge the car with something like 16oz of R290 which is something like a quart, while most gas cars carry that much or more gasoline under high pressure under the hood also. AFAIK R134 is also flammable.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I've done it

2016-06-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Most of the pics were taken with Angie's DSLR, she's taken that to her office and I apparently forgot to take the pic of the cluster off of it so that one pic is with my cell phone, its only there to show mileage. 49,000 is no big deal on a 4 cyl bike. It'd be huge on a Harley... -Curt

Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It's a lot less dangerous that that big tank I'd fuel sitting in the back of the car. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2016, at 7:28 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid > Freon

Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Good point Roger, but I'll leave my estate plan alone for now... :) A leak of the hydrocarbons in the engine bay might be an issue if they could be sucked into the engine causing a run-away condition, but that would be hard to accomplish on my 124.193 (intake from inside the right front fender,

Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
If it’s any consolation, these hydrocarbon refrigerants are in broad use in places like Australia where they are considered perfectly safe and legal. What people can’t seem to get past is that the concentration of refrigerant to oxygen or air to allow combustion is a very narrow range, and

Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some of your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for a mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts

Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling Wuz: Large Quantity Rheem 4 Ton R410A Split System Air Conditioners - Super Price!

2016-06-30 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Those Surplus City Liquidator prices look pretty darn good, if shipping is reasonable they would probably beat the prices of the place that I linked. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've bought stuff

Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling Wuz: Large Quantity Rheem 4 Ton R410A Split System Air Conditioners - Super Price!

2016-06-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
This is normally about as cheap as 4 ton condensers get:https://www.acwholesalers.com/Goodman-Air-Conditioner/VSX140481-4-Ton-14-SEER-Air-Conditioner-Condenser-with-R410A/67115.ac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

2016-06-30 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
A 30lb cylinder of R-290 (used to be called ES-22a, hint hint) is $180 delivered. I'd go that route for a shop, but I'd really hesitate to use that in a residence. http://autorefrigerants.com/hydrocarbon-refrigerants-info/1975-r-290-for-usa-sold-as-es-22a-outside-the-u-s-a-only -

Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling Wuz: Large Quantity Rheem 4 Ton R410A Split System Air Conditioners - Super Price!

2016-06-30 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
That looks like it’s just the condenser/compressor, no air handler/evaporator. Some good deals there. Dan > On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:27 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've bought stuff from deze guys. Dunno if max's place is cheaper, but > these guys

Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling

2016-06-30 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Propane is $.89 a gallon now. Whazzit? R600? That might make an economical refrigerant for the shop. R290. Fairly close to R22, isn't it? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or