Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 22:15:57 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes
 wrote:

> You can call the buried stuff finder line, 811?  Just tell them you are 
> going to do some construction and you need to find various lines.  guy 
> will come out in a day or two, walk around with his magic wand, and 
> paint your stuff, phone, electric, water, gas, whatever you have.  No 
> cost.

Hey, now, that's a good idea.

But, they may locate only lines up to the first breaker panel. You will
have to ask.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

You can call the buried stuff finder line, 811?  Just tell them you are 
going to do some construction and you need to find various lines.  guy 
will come out in a day or two, walk around with his magic wand, and 
paint your stuff, phone, electric, water, gas, whatever you have.  No 
cost.  Achmed's yer uncle.


--JC


On 6/30/16 9:34 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Are any of us okiebenz readers familiar with dowsing?


Weirdest shit ever.  But I guess that for those whom it
works at all, it works well.  My grandfather, I believe,
could find water.  But his brother couldn't.  I tried as
a kid.  Nada.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

for the kids today, an app on their cell phone might work just as well.


So long as they don't need to look up!

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Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Are any of us okiebenz readers familiar with dowsing?


Weirdest shit ever.  But I guess that for those whom it
works at all, it works well.  My grandfather, I believe,
could find water.  But his brother couldn't.  I tried as
a kid.  Nada.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Recommend you get a toner set, which generates a radio signal using your buried 
wire as the antenna.  A receiver comes with the tool, move that around in the 
area you suspect that the unknown end of the wire is located.  Gets the job 
done.  I think Harbor Freight sells a cheapo version?

No need to resort to witchcraft...
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mtn man asks:
>Are any of us okiebenz readers >familiar with dowsing?
>What is the best material to use >for dowsing?


Coat hangers, or I suppose any ferrous rod will work. My friend from work was 
doing that just yesterday.

Rick 
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[MBZ] Dowsing - Finding Buried Electric

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Are any of us okiebenz readers familiar with dowsing?
What is the best material to use for dowsing?

The barn here has electric electric outlets and lights but we are
unable to locate the power feed from the nearby warehouse onsite.  In
the barn the feed comes in from under thr concrete slab.  The 3-wires
are in conduit.  The 3-wires are 600V direct bury cable to which
standard 120V inside wires were attached, but are currently cut.  So
the wires in the barn are currently connected to an extension cord
with male 3-prong end, i.e. the means of electricity for lights and
outlets could be provided by a generator.  There is no generator
onsite.  The warehouse appears to have a couple of possible buried
feeds or breaker panels that might have been the power to the barn but
so far - no luck finding the breaker panel or path of buried cable
run.  Dowsing seemed the next best means to find the feed... maybe?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Here you go poos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks for pointing those out.  I already found a set.

Dan


> On Jun 30, 2016, at 6:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> 
> 91 Mercedes 350SDL Fuel Injectors
> http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/5638535514.html
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[MBZ] Here you go poos

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

91 Mercedes 350SDL Fuel Injectors
http://houston.craigslist.org/pts/5638535514.html

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[MBZ] 'nother one

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

MB related this time:http://worcester.craigslist.org/pts/5661465619.html

Trying to make some space in my garage. I'd give any of you 1/3 off and deliver 
to ChowdaQ if somebody wanted.
I've got a bunch of MB Parts, need to get out and catalog what I've got and 
come up with some approximate values...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[OK Don via Mercedes]

That's for the totals, look at the rate per 100 million miles driven - it's
still going down. I suspect that it's due to all those safety things that
MB keeps inventing and allowing others to freely copy/use.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Traffic fatality trends:
>
>
> http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/overview-of-fatality-facts#Trends
>
> Looks like we've hit a plateau.  I blame (fill in the blank) !!!
>
> Note that the plateau started around 1992, there was a large drop for the
> 2008/9 recession (fewer miles driven), and we settled at another lower
> plateau.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Traffic fatality trends:

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalityfacts/overview-of-fatality-facts#Trends

Looks like we've hit a plateau.  I blame (fill in the blank) !!!

Note that the plateau started around 1992, there was a large drop for the
2008/9 recession (fewer miles driven), and we settled at another lower
plateau.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[OK Don via Mercedes]

If you don't like how the cars are being built, don't buy them. Build your
own to your own specs - you'll have no one but yourself to blame for any
failures, but you'll also have the knowledge to fix/change them.

Aircraft likewise - hence the Wittman Tailwind I'm building.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 787 rollout wasn't what you'd call a smashing success, several battery
> issues one of which IIRC filled a plane with smoke.
> Still both Boeing and Airbus make astonishingly safe aircraft that fly
> millions of miles between incidents. Many (most?) of the "issues" are human
> related, not the aircraft.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>  Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:46 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more
> complex shifter?"
>
> Yes, I think so.
> Boeing had an issue recently too with a plane on fire - Singapore maybe?
> They got everyone off alive.
>
> RB
>
> On 30/06/2016 11:40 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
> > Much so.
> > Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the
> > Mediterranean?
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> >
> >> On 30/06/2016 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Fly Boeing.
> >>>
> >>> Wilton
> >>
> >> Is that like, if it is not Boeing, I am not going?
> >>
> >> RB
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The 787 rollout wasn't what you'd call a smashing success, several battery 
issues one of which IIRC filled a plane with smoke.
Still both Boeing and Airbus make astonishingly safe aircraft that fly millions 
of miles between incidents. Many (most?) of the "issues" are human related, not 
the aircraft.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex 
shifter?"
   
Yes, I think so.
Boeing had an issue recently too with a plane on fire - Singapore maybe?
They got everyone off alive.

RB

On 30/06/2016 11:40 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
> Much so.
> Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the 
> Mediterranean?
>
> Wilton
>
>
>> On 30/06/2016 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Fly Boeing.
>>>
>>> Wilton
>>
>> Is that like, if it is not Boeing, I am not going?
>>
>> RB
>>
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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Allahuwa Akbar Airlines

--JC


On 6/30/16 12:40 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Much so.
Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the 
Mediterranean?


Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:56 AM
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complex shifter?"




On 30/06/2016 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Fly Boeing.

Wilton


Is that like, if it is not Boeing, I am not going?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Yes, I think so.
Boeing had an issue recently too with a plane on fire - Singapore maybe?
They got everyone off alive.

RB

On 30/06/2016 11:40 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Much so.
Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the 
Mediterranean?


Wilton



On 30/06/2016 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Fly Boeing.

Wilton


Is that like, if it is not Boeing, I am not going?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Much so.
Isn't that another Airbus they're now trying to pull out of the 
Mediterranean?


Wilton

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On 30/06/2016 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Fly Boeing.

Wilton


Is that like, if it is not Boeing, I am not going?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On June 30, 2016 at 12:21 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:Propane is $.89 a gallon now. Whazzit? R600? That might make an economical refrigerant for the shop.Economical, but I wonder about purity. The best stuff that's bought by the gallon is HD5, which is at least 90% propane and no more than 5% propylene.Up to 10% butane, isobutane etc doesn't bother me, but I don't know that I want an unknown mix of  up to 5% propylene going through my compressor. Jim Cathey uses Coleman 1lb tanks IIRC, are they just HD5 or do they meet a higher standard?$6/lb for commercially pure refrigerant grade R290 seems high, but that's not as bad as I was quoted when I inquired on it about ten years ago.Mitch. 
 

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/06/2016 10:57 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
'Reminds me:  12-year-old grandson showed me how to use the nav system 
in Schwartze (MB 211).


Wilton


Yes, the very young children have grown up with things like cell phones, 
iPads and laptop computers.
Our 9 year old great niece works the complicted television setup with 
PVR etc quickly and accurately.
I, on the other hand, have no idea how it all works. I have never cared 
enough to figure it out. I gave up on TV for the most part a while back.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Reminds me of something I read once, a farmer complaining that the tractor had 
ruined farming and his sons would never know how to farm with horses.His buddy 
replies "I never learned to farm with oxen and I seem to have done alright."
I think every generation rails that the younger generation is doing it all 
wrong. IIRC somewhere theres an ancient greek text complaining that kids these 
days don't respect their elders and their music is weird.
-Curt

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Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex 
shifter?"
   
I am totally with you Fred.
I learned to drive on manual transmissions and would still find it 
easier to kick in the clutch than to shft the automatic into neutral or 
park.
BUT we are another generation or two removed from the young folks today.
Have you ever watched the kids text with both thumbs?
I am pretty slow texting because I only use one finger to hit the screen 
buttons.
I only started texting a couple of years ago and I have no idea how to 
Tweet or any idea why I would want to do so, or why I would want to 
"follow" what someone like Justin Bieber wants to share with the world.
However, I suspect that the new drivers coming along would find the new 
shifters more in tune with their world than we ever will.
The car makers need to limit who buys and the licencing people need to 
restrict those who can drive these things. You and I will be banned!

RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Reminds me:  12-year-old grandson showed me how to use the nav system in 
Schwartze (MB 211).


Wilton

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On 30/06/2016 10:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Randy, et al.

A flat battery would ruin your day.

Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and 
selecting, from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc.


In the split second available, could it be done effectively?

I think not.

YMMV

Fred

For us old folks who grew up with shifters, yes, but for the kids today,
an app on their cell phone might work just as well.

RB



Fred Moir.
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I am totally with you Fred.
I learned to drive on manual transmissions and would still find it easier 
to kick in the clutch than to shft the automatic into neutral or park.

BUT we are another generation or two removed from the young folks today.
Have you ever watched the kids text with both thumbs?
I am pretty slow texting because I only use one finger to hit the screen 
buttons.
I only started texting a couple of years ago and I have no idea how to 
Tweet or any idea why I would want to do so, or why I would want to 
"follow" what someone like Justin Bieber wants to share with the world.
However, I suspect that the new drivers coming along would find the new 
shifters more in tune with their world than we ever will.
The car makers need to limit who buys and the licencing people need to 
restrict those who can drive these things. You and I will be banned!


RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/06/2016 10:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
  


A flat battery would ruin your day.

  


Fred



Reminds me of the old poster that said, "one little nuclear bomb can 
just ruin your whole day".


RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/06/2016 10:52 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Fly Boeing.

Wilton


Is that like, if it is not Boeing, I am not going?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/06/2016 10:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Randy, et al.

A flat battery would ruin your day.

Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, 
from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc.

In the split second available, could it be done effectively?

I think not.

YMMV

Fred

For us old folks who grew up with shifters, yes, but for the kids today,
an app on their cell phone might work just as well.

RB



Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.
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I am totally with you Fred.
I learned to drive on manual transmissions and would still find it 
easier to kick in the clutch than to shft the automatic into neutral or 
park.

BUT we are another generation or two removed from the young folks today.
Have you ever watched the kids text with both thumbs?
I am pretty slow texting because I only use one finger to hit the screen 
buttons.
I only started texting a couple of years ago and I have no idea how to 
Tweet or any idea why I would want to do so, or why I would want to 
"follow" what someone like Justin Bieber wants to share with the world.
However, I suspect that the new drivers coming along would find the new 
shifters more in tune with their world than we ever will.
The car makers need to limit who buys and the licencing people need to 
restrict those who can drive these things. You and I will be banned!


RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Fly Boeing.

Wilton

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From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Curt Raymond" 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more 
complex shifter?"



Hmm, I hadn't thought of it before but in an accident where battery power 
fails do you end up with a car you can't put into park?
Of course in a bad front end collision I can see the linkage for a shifter 
getting destroyed too.
I'm not a fan of the electric parking brake concept. I can see having the 
battery go flat and not be able to get the brake off. I presume theres 
some failsafe for that but I've never looked into it.

-Curt

 From: Fred Moir via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Fred Moir 
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more 
complex shifter?"


Randy, et al.

A flat battery would ruin your day.

Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and 
selecting, from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc.


In the split second available, could it be done effectively?

I think not.

YMMV

Fred

For us old folks who grew up with shifters, yes, but for the kids today,
an app on their cell phone might work just as well.

RB



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Lynn MA.
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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A podcast I listen to recently included the line "People wouldn't die".
I sent them a note mentioning that EVERYBODY will die at some point, maybe they 
meant "people wouldn't die right now".
They were good enough to correct themselves in a later episode...
-Curt

  From: Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Fred Moir 
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex 
shifter?"
   
Joel.

Your faith in technology is sweet. My life-long observation of the 
brilliance/greed/and plain ego driven designs make me very wary of claims of 
omnipotence.

"They are lousy shots, they'll never hit me from he."

Trust but verify and train to handle all foreseeable faults, and memorize the 
prayer of personal choice.

Perhaps The Shepherds prayer? "Lord please don't let me f**k-up".  Alan 
Shepherd that is.

Not cynical, rather experienced.

Remember that you should not take life too seriously, you are not getting out 
of it alive.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Joel Cairo via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 30 June 2016 15:25
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Joel Cairo
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex 
shifter?"

Skynet will soon be here to do it all for us

--JC

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm wondering how those cars will fare in the zombie apocalypse...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> Skynet will soon be here to do it all for us
>
> --JC
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Joel.

Your faith in technology is sweet. My life-long observation of the 
brilliance/greed/and plain ego driven designs make me very wary of claims of 
omnipotence.

"They are lousy shots, they'll never hit me from he."

Trust but verify and train to handle all foreseeable faults, and memorize the 
prayer of personal choice.

Perhaps The Shepherds prayer? "Lord please don't let me f**k-up".  Alan 
Shepherd that is.

Not cynical, rather experienced.

Remember that you should not take life too seriously, you are not getting out 
of it alive.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Joel Cairo via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 30 June 2016 15:25
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Joel Cairo
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex 
shifter?"

Skynet will soon be here to do it all for us

--JC

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hmm, I hadn't thought of it before but in an accident where battery power fails 
do you end up with a car you can't put into park?
Of course in a bad front end collision I can see the linkage for a shifter 
getting destroyed too.
I'm not a fan of the electric parking brake concept. I can see having the 
battery go flat and not be able to get the brake off. I presume theres some 
failsafe for that but I've never looked into it.
-Curt

  From: Fred Moir via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Fred Moir 
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex 
shifter?"
   
Randy, et al.

A flat battery would ruin your day.

Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, 
from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc.

In the split second available, could it be done effectively?

I think not.

YMMV

Fred

For us old folks who grew up with shifters, yes, but for the kids today,
an app on their cell phone might work just as well.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Skynet will soon be here to do it all for us

--JC


On 6/30/16 11:23 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Randy, et al.

A flat battery would ruin your day.

Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, 
from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc.

In the split second available, could it be done effectively?

I think not.

YMMV

Fred

For us old folks who grew up with shifters, yes, but for the kids today,
an app on their cell phone might work just as well.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Randy, et al.

A flat battery would ruin your day.

Also, to use an "AP" would require looking down at the screen and selecting, 
from a menu, the appropriate icon, etc.

In the split second available, could it be done effectively?

I think not.

YMMV

Fred

For us old folks who grew up with shifters, yes, but for the kids today,
an app on their cell phone might work just as well.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/06/2016 11:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Yup. A shift lever, even if it is only hooked to wires, can be 
operated on instinct/adreneline.  (Shove it in park as soon as it 
stops after an accident.)  that will never happen with a rotary switch 
on the console.  There has to be conscious thought (and visual 
contact) to move it to a different setting. 


For us old folks who grew up with shifters, yes, but for the kids today, 
an app on their cell phone might work just as well.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/06/2016 11:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I saw a GenU-wine 57 plymie today!  Running down the road, pushbuttons 
and all!   Faded red with a white top.   BIG fins!


Trailing a plume of blue smoke?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

Hank Hill can fix you up

--JC


On 6/30/16 12:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Propane is $.89 a gallon now.  Whazzit?  R600?  That might make an 
economical refrigerant for the shop.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
June 29, 2016 at 8:02 PM
Oh boy

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Russ Williams via Mercedes 
June 29, 2016 at 7:58 PM
According to my next door neighbor who is a HVAC man R22 is over 600 
bucks for a 30# bottle.







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WILTON via Mercedes 
June 28, 2016 at 3:57 PM
Indeed, you would; Don has the outside unit.   ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 


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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling




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OK Don via Mercedes 
June 28, 2016 at 3:39 PM
I have a 5 ton R22 compressor/condenser unit that you can have for 
coming
to get it - - - it is supposed to work, but it's been sitting in the 
hangar

from before I bought this place.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <




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Re: [MBZ] One for Curly, or "How can automakers design a more complex shifter?"

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I can attest to that - "Shove it into park as soon as it stops after an 
accident," that is.


Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:09 AM
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complex shifter?"



Yup.  A shift lever, even if it is only hooked to wires, can be operated 
on instinct/adreneline.  (Shove it in park as soon as it stops after an 
accident.)  that will never happen with a rotary switch on the console. 
There has to be conscious thought (and visual contact) to move it to a 
different setting.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
June 29, 2016 at 11:09 AM
I can see how that rotary switch isn't too bad, but can you operate 
without

looking? Can you operate it correctly when fear / shock / adrenaline are
in play, like following a collision? With complexity comes risk, and if
each auto maker goes their own way, switching between vehicles becomes a
real chore, maybe too much of a barrier to overcome in an emergency.
Progress in one area doesn't necessarily mean overall progress, we have 
to

chose our measurements carefully.

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We went over this some years ago but as I recall the argument is that you're 
going to charge the car with something like 16oz of R290 which is something 
like a quart, while most gas cars carry that much or more gasoline under high 
pressure under the hood also.
AFAIK R134 is also flammable. Fortunately refrigerant is carried right up front 
in a fragile, non-ferris component so in most accidents it just leaks out and 
gets away...

-Curt

  From: rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 To: "List, Mercedes"  
Cc: roger...@comcast.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] R22 freon
   
So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid 
Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some of 
your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for a 
mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-))) DuraCool 
was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it sometimes 
since it also carried a warning something to the affect of "blowing yourself 
into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like some of the cars you 
guys have, but not from your will. 
Best Wishes and be safe, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I've done it

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Most of the pics were taken with Angie's DSLR, she's taken that to her office 
and I apparently forgot to take the pic of the cluster off of it so that one 
pic is with my cell phone, its only there to show mileage.
49,000 is no big deal on a 4 cyl bike. It'd be huge on a Harley...
-Curt

  From: Max Dillon 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I've done it
   
Last pic of the instrument cluster has glare making it hard to read.

49,000 miles! Isn't that a lot of miles?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 29, 2016 4:15:54 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
I've been holding on to my '82 Honda CB900f for way longer than I should mostly 
because selling stuff is a PITA.That said I tossed it on Craigslist today, have 
a look: http://worcester.craigslist.org/mcy/5659957798.html
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It's a lot less dangerous that that big tank I'd fuel sitting in the back of 
the car.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 30, 2016, at 7:28 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid 
> Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some 
> of your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for 
> a mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-))) 
> DuraCool was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it 
> sometimes since it also carried a warning something to the affect of "blowing 
> yourself into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like some of the 
> cars you guys have, but not from your will. 
> Best Wishes and be safe, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Good point Roger, but I'll leave my estate plan alone for now...  :)

A leak of the hydrocarbons in the engine bay might be an issue if they
could be sucked into the engine causing a run-away condition, but that
would be hard to accomplish on my 124.193 (intake from inside the right
front fender, refrigerant lines are all on the left side of the engine
bay).  For an underhood fire or explosion, there would need to be a major
collision that not only ruptured the refrigerant lines but also provided a
source of ignition, and the proper ratio of hydrocarbon to air would be
needed, which is a little difficult but not impossible to achieve.  A leak
of hydrocarbons inside the passenger compartment would be more concerning,
but again there would need to be an ignition source and the proper ratio of
gas to air.  I've got about 18 ounces in the system now, I need to bleed
that off (carefully!) to get down to about 12 ounces.  Gasser cars drive
around with far more weight of gasoline which ignites in a much greater
range of conditions, typically with a gasoline tank behind the passengers,
lines running under the passengers, and fuel in the engine compartment
(they're surrounded!).  I think my risks are within my comfort range.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:28 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid
> Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some
> of your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now
> for a mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-)))
> DuraCool was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it
> sometimes since it also carried a warning something to the affect of
> "blowing yourself into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like
> some of the cars you guys have, but not from your will.
> Best Wishes and be safe,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If it’s any consolation, these hydrocarbon refrigerants are in broad use in 
places like Australia where they are considered perfectly safe and legal.

What people can’t seem to get past is that the concentration of refrigerant to 
oxygen or air to allow combustion is a very narrow range, and would be 
difficult to maintain under any circumstances.  Also, driving around with a 
tank full of gasoline is far more dangerous that the 14 ounces of hydrocarbon 
refrigerant in the AC system (if you’re driving a gasoline powered car, of 
course.)

Our nanny state regulations are always going to force manufacturers to put the 
“gloom and doom” warnings on stuff like this.  Ever use a lighter to light some 
candles around the house?  They have similar warnings on them.  If you read 
them closely you would think you’re lining yourself up for a major explosion 
that will level your house.

I would content that if the risk of explosion was so great or the incidents 
common, the manufacturers wouldn’t be selling the stuff as they would be out of 
business due to the litigation.

Dan

 
> On Jun 30, 2016, at 8:28 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid 
> Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some 
> of your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for 
> a mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-))) 
> DuraCool was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it 
> sometimes since it also carried a warning something to the affect of "blowing 
> yourself into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like some of the 
> cars you guys have, but not from your will. 
> Best Wishes and be safe, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

So, my question for today is: if some of you keep using these off the grid 
Freon replacements, will you put the rest of us in your will so we get some of 
your car collections, or at least the good parts? Also, I'd check now for a 
mortician that is good at puzzles and re-assembling body parts :-))) DuraCool 
was as far off the grid as I ever got and I worried about using it sometimes 
since it also carried a warning something to the affect of "blowing yourself 
into the next county". So, please be careful. I'd like some of the cars you 
guys have, but not from your will. 
Best Wishes and be safe, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling Wuz: Large Quantity Rheem 4 Ton R410A Split System Air Conditioners - Super Price!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Those Surplus City Liquidator prices look pretty darn good, if shipping is
reasonable they would probably beat the prices of the place that I linked.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've bought stuff from deze guys.   Dunno if max's place is cheaper, but
> these guys have some really good deals if you keep watching.  (subscribe to
> their email list.
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject:Large Quantity Rheem 4 Ton R410A Split System Air
> Conditioners
> - Super Price!
> Date:   Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT)
> From:   Surplus City Liquidators 
> Reply-To:   i...@surpluscityliquidators.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling Wuz: Large Quantity Rheem 4 Ton R410A Split System Air Conditioners - Super Price!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

This is normally about as cheap as 4 ton condensers get:https://www.acwholesalers.com/Goodman-Air-Conditioner/VSX140481-4-Ton-14-SEER-Air-Conditioner-Condenser-with-R410A/67115.ac
 

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Re: [MBZ] R22 freon

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

A 30lb cylinder of R-290 (used to be called ES-22a, hint hint) is $180
delivered.  I'd go that route for a shop, but I'd really hesitate to use
that in a residence.

http://autorefrigerants.com/hydrocarbon-refrigerants-info/1975-r-290-for-usa-sold-as-es-22a-outside-the-u-s-a-only

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Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes <
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> you can buy R22 on ebay with free shipping for $500 for 30#
>
> there are also often partially full bottles for less per lb
> thanks,
>
> xx rick
> Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling Wuz: Large Quantity Rheem 4 Ton R410A Split System Air Conditioners - Super Price!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That looks like it’s just the condenser/compressor, no air handler/evaporator.

Some good deals there.

Dan

 
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Re: [MBZ] Shop cooling

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Propane is $.89 a gallon now.  Whazzit?  R600?  That might make an 
economical refrigerant for the shop.


R290.  Fairly close to R22, isn't it?

-- Jim


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