[MBZ] start your car

[clay via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMa3_tT5mKA 


I think this is a bit older than most of our cars

clay
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Thoughts:

Expandable load-blocking rods like Harbor Freight sells for use in pickup
beds.

If the plywood's up against the window, where does the shock go?

If the plywood's too close to the glass, when the flying cow slams into it
does the wood flex enough to break the glass anyway?

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

That's why you run from the water and hide from the wind.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:40 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track
> 
> No amount of hunkering down, boarding up, and an abundance of TP will get
> you past a 20' storm surge.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans, probably have 30
> > gal at this point so that will run the genny for a little while,
> > mostly to keep the fridge topped up every few hours.  I have plenty of
> > gas, 3 grill tanks pretty full and the 100gal for the cooktop that is more 
> > than
> half full.
> > Our water supply is all gravity fed so no pumps involved but I am
> > going to fill up the tubs for whatever need there might be.  Plenty of
> > canned and dry food and I got more poodle food today, so won't starve.
> > I got tarps, plastico, and duct tape!
> >
> > Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured while I was
> > there to go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some gatorades,
> > which I usually don't buy in the bottles but I will use it anyway, esp
> > if I am out working on stuff in the heat.  Bottled water was almost
> > gone, and toilet paper.  I don't understand the TP thing but there you
> > go.  People seem to be starting to get close to manic panic, I am
> > hearing mandatory evac will be issued tomorrow aft, for the islands
> > probably.  I guess the barrier island folks will need to go, I have
> > pretty much decided to stay and get the house boarded up and tied down
> > and whatever.  Not enough time to do that and head out before the
> > herds stampede. Could get rough but if I go it would probably be at
> > least a week before I could get back given we are at the end of the road
> with lots of trees.
> >
> > I shall keep all advised!
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> All excellent advice.
> >>
> >> We’ve sheltered in place for several hurricanes, although none of
> >> them were this powerful, but it can be done if you’re properly
> prepared.
> >>
> >> One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand crank radio that also
> >> charges cell phones using a USB port.  It’s tedious as heck to use,
> >> but it does the job.
> >>
> >> We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our grille as well as a
> >> 40lb tank that’s connected to the oven in our outdoor kitchen.  We
> >> use this oven to cook with any time the AC is running so we don’t
> >> add any heat load to the house, and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a
> >> single tank of propane.
> >>
> >> I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily handle the critical
> >> stuff, even more if I rotate things on and off of it, such as my deep
> >> freeze in the garage.
> >>
> >> I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut and ready for the
> >> windows, as we only have a few that would be in danger, but I always
> >> seem to procrastinate on this.  Maybe this year….
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1 stepson who
> >>> lives in
> >>> Melbourne:
> >>> ---
> >>> Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track for
> >>> hurricane Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.
> >>> So you need to be prepared for this storm which should he very close
> >>> to you about noon Friday.
> >>>
> >>> If there is any possibility of the house flooding, evacuate and do
> >>> it early.
> >>> There is very little you can save by staying there.  Have a
> >>> destination before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you
> >>> plan to go to a motel, get a reservation early or they'll all be
> >>> full.
> >>>
> >>> If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds are below
> >>> 100
> >>> mph)
> >>> you can shelter in place but have food and (especially) water for at
> >>> least 3 days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook so
> >>> be sure you have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car
> >>> and get any needed cash now; gas pumps and ATMs don't work without
> >>> power.  Without power, water and sewage lift stations will stop
> >>> working.
> >>>
> >>> A battery-operated radio and a couple flashlights are very nice to
> >>> have.  A battery radio may be your only source of information after
> >>> power is lost although landline phones are usually the last to go
> >>> and cell phones are often the first to work afterwards.  Power is
> >>> normally restored in 3-7 days.
> >>>
> >>> The very worst place to be during the storm is in your car on the road.
> >>> If
> >>> you evacuate, do it before the roads 

Re: [MBZ] Sellout

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Maybe he retired to his new beach house. Or lake house, whichever. Life is 
tough being a socialista, he needs his rest in another house. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

Sellout Bernie was supposed to be around here a week or two ago to campaign for 
the ailing (sick or dead) Clinton.  Burned Bernie musta got the peenew monia 
too, he cancelled.  But now the sellout is back on the road promoting the 
tired, sick or dead old hag.

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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

In addition to Fmisers points, another concern might be that the blasts of wind 
pressure are transferred to the window frame instead of the concrete block 
structure. While this is probably unlikely to cause damage, insurance  
estimators might seize on Dans idea as a "non-standard" way to protect windows; 
the "standards" being steel storm shutters or plywood bolted or screwed to the 
outside of the house.
When there is a lot of damage facing insurors, they look for every opportunity 
to deny claims. The following might offer some clues as to the insurance 
companies requirements:

https://www.google.com/search?q=insurors+requirements+for+hurricane+windows+protection+flying+debris&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8


> > The wind blowing across the _front_ can create a low-pressure area
> > that will "pull" the plywood outward from the window - not just if
> > the wind can "get behind it"
> > That's not to say your idea won't work just fine - just pointing
> > out the physics. *smiles*
fmiser

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[MBZ] Sellout

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sellout Bernie was supposed to be around here a week or two ago to 
campaign for the ailing (sick or dead) Clinton.  Burned Bernie musta got 
the peenew monia too, he cancelled.  But now the sellout is back on the 
road promoting the tired, sick or dead old hag.


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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I think the guamanians have the best idea.  Concrete house with concrete 
roof.  Vertical bars across windows.  When the typhoon comes, they slide 
planks behind the bars to protect the windows, go inside and ride it out.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
October 4, 2016 at 8:23 PM
A silly thought:
Most all houses have "shutters" bolted to the outside of the house. 
Seems like hurricanes are a common enough occurrence to make actual 
shutters a thing worth having. In the case of a storm just close them. 
I mean if you were going to build a thing anyway...


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Dan,

Years ago at Lowe's they sold spring clamps which attached around the outside 
edge of the plywood, for brick homes.  The plywood was cut about half an inch 
shy of the recessed opening, so that the spring clamps had room all around the 
plywood perimeter to be squeezed between brick and plywood.  These made 
installation a breeze.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Use that flimsy kind but put yer plywood on the inside for reinforcement?
I was thinking about REAL shutters...
Back in the day the Rod and Gun club used to get vandalized a couple times a 
year, the high school kids would find some beer and go smash the place up. We 
finally installed shutters on every window which at least kept them from 
getting broke. They were high enough up that nobody wanted to work hard enough 
to get to them but without the shutters you could just chuck a rock...
One of the kids that used to bust the place up was complaining about the noise 
of the shooting. He'd threatened to complain at a town meeting so I took the 
time to go back home and make the meeting. He was sure surprised when after he 
got up to complain about us I complained about him. I talked about how he was a 
terrible bully in high school and the many times he'd smashed up the club. He 
doesn't talk to us anymore...
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 9:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection
   
Those things won' take a 100mph hit of a tree branch.  You need 
something strong.  The plywood is flexible enough to absorb the energy 
and most likely diffuse it enough to protect the window.

Roll-up metal shutters are good but spendy.

--FT


On 10/4/16 9:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> A silly thought:
> Most all houses have "shutters" bolted to the outside of the house. Seems 
> like hurricanes are a common enough occurrence to make actual shutters a 
> thing worth having. In the case of a storm just close them. I mean if you 
> were going to build a thing anyway...
>
> -Curt
>
>        From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 6:57 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection
>    
> I realize that, but the closer the plywood is to the window surface and the 
> bracing of the tension rods should make it pretty difficult.  Of course, if 
> we’re talking 140 mph winds all bets are off, but that will be the least of 
> my worries should it occur.
>
> Dan
>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 6:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>>
>> The wind blowing across the _front_ can create a low-pressure area
>> that will "pull" the plywood outward from the window - not just if
>> the wind can "get behind it"
>>
>> That's not to say your idea won't work just fine - just pointing
>> out the physics. *smiles*
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Those things won' take a 100mph hit of a tree branch.  You need 
something strong.  The plywood is flexible enough to absorb the energy 
and most likely diffuse it enough to protect the window.


Roll-up metal shutters are good but spendy.

--FT


On 10/4/16 9:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

A silly thought:
Most all houses have "shutters" bolted to the outside of the house. Seems like 
hurricanes are a common enough occurrence to make actual shutters a thing worth having. 
In the case of a storm just close them. I mean if you were going to build a thing 
anyway...

-Curt

   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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Cc: Dan Penoff 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 6:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

I realize that, but the closer the plywood is to the window surface and the bracing of the tension rods should make it pretty difficult.  Of course, if we’re talking 140 mph winds all bets are off, but that will be the least of my worries should it occur.


Dan


On Oct 4, 2016, at 6:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

The wind blowing across the _front_ can create a low-pressure area
that will "pull" the plywood outward from the window - not just if
the wind can "get behind it"

That's not to say your idea won't work just fine - just pointing
out the physics. *smiles*

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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A silly thought:
Most all houses have "shutters" bolted to the outside of the house. Seems like 
hurricanes are a common enough occurrence to make actual shutters a thing worth 
having. In the case of a storm just close them. I mean if you were going to 
build a thing anyway...

-Curt

  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 6:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection
   
I realize that, but the closer the plywood is to the window surface and the 
bracing of the tension rods should make it pretty difficult.  Of course, if 
we’re talking 140 mph winds all bets are off, but that will be the least of my 
worries should it occur.

Dan

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 6:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The wind blowing across the _front_ can create a low-pressure area
> that will "pull" the plywood outward from the window - not just if
> the wind can "get behind it"
> 
> That's not to say your idea won't work just fine - just pointing
> out the physics. *smiles*
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I realize that, but the closer the plywood is to the window surface and the 
bracing of the tension rods should make it pretty difficult.  Of course, if 
we’re talking 140 mph winds all bets are off, but that will be the least of my 
worries should it occur.

Dan

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 6:29 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> The wind blowing across the _front_ can create a low-pressure area
> that will "pull" the plywood outward from the window - not just if
> the wind can "get behind it"
> 
> That's not to say your idea won't work just fine - just pointing
> out the physics. *smiles*
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dan wrote:
> 
> Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame,
> it’s not exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)

The wind blowing across the _front_ can create a low-pressure area
that will "pull" the plywood outward from the window - not just if
the wind can "get behind it"

That's not to say your idea won't work just fine - just pointing
out the physics. *smiles*

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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Why wouldn't you be able to cook? Doesn't everybody have 12 camp stoves? That 
reminds me, I've only got 3 gallons of camp gas, time to stock up...
Curt

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  On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Scott Ritchey via 
Mercedes wrote:   In case it might help someone, here is 
advice I sent #1 stepson who lives in
Melbourne:
---
Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track for hurricane
Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.  So you need to be
prepared for this storm which should he very close to you about noon Friday.

If there is any possibility of the house flooding, evacuate and do it early.
There is very little you can save by staying there.  Have a destination
before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan to go to a motel,
get a reservation early or they'll all be full.

If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds are below 100 mph)
you can shelter in place but have food and (especially) water for at least 3
days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook so be sure you
have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car and get any needed
cash now; gas pumps and ATMs don't work without power.  Without power, water
and sewage lift stations will stop working.

A battery-operated radio and a couple flashlights are very nice to have.  A
battery radio may be your only source of information after power is lost
although landline phones are usually the last to go and cell phones are
often the first to work afterwards.  Power is normally restored in 3-7 days.

The very worst place to be during the storm is in your car on the road.  If
you evacuate, do it before the roads become impassible with other folks who
waited.

We have ridden out many hurricanes in Florida.  It's no fun but seldom
dangerous as long as you don't flood.  Most deaths are from drowning,
electrocution (stay away from fallen wires), and injuries during cleanup.

With luck, this storm will weaken and/or shift back to the east.

Hang in there. 

-

> -Original Message-
> From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> 
> shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds and
> LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands which I
will
> choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out tomorrow, check the
track
> on Wed then start prepping. Might have to bail to upstate at some point.
If
> I stay I have plenty of beer, food, and shotgun shells and will get some
gas
> for the genny tomorrow.
> 
> Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding what to
> do.  I think I know the answer.
> 
> --
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Her husband actually changed his name at some point, not to Haley but 
his given name to something else.  I don't recall the details but it was 
kinda weird.


--R


On 10/4/16 4:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

So Haley is Mr. Nimrata?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Andrew wrote:

Lost in translation...

from wiki:
(born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa; January 20, 1972)
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Andrew must work for the government.

RB

On 04/10/2016 3:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

So Haley is Mr. Nimrata?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Andrew wrote:

Lost in translation...

from wiki:
(born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa; January 20, 1972)
mao

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So Haley is Mr. Nimrata?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > Lost in translation...
>
> from wiki:
> (born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa; January 20, 1972)
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

There are ones that are short enough for a window opening, maybe 36".

Dan

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> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:48 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Shower curtain rods if window openings wide enough.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> I'm trying to find a source for some stout tension rods. I'm sure they're 
>> out there, but most of what I see are curtain rods.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like your idea
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the windows 
 in my house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying debris in a 
 hurricane or tropical storm.
 
 The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is screwed 
 to the wall of the home, completely covering the window.  Do understand 
 that this means it’s often more than one sheet butted together as some 
 windows are too large for a single 4x8’ sheet.  Our walls are block with 
 stucco, so concrete screws would be the choice of fastener.
 
 However, I was wondering….
 
 My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”.  They have a frame 
 around the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.
 
 So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess where 
 the window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it would 
 cover the frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, then use 
 some sort of spring tension rods in a couple of locations across the 
 opening to hold the plywood in place?
 
 Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s not 
 exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)
 
 The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the 
 opening, but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying 
 debris that would break it.
 
 Does this make sense?  I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a lot 
 easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> Lost in translation...

from wiki:
(born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa; January 20, 1972)
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Lost in translation...

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's her name
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 10/4/16 3:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> How do you devolve Haley into Nimrata?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Floyd Thursby > > wrote:
>>
>> Our female minority woman Indian of color gubna, Nikki Haley.
>>  Standing by for presser scheduled to start a few minutes ago.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/16 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Nimrata??
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2016 2:53 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes"
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually that is my main concern, that and the trees flying
>>> around.  I think the house, at least the new addition, would
>>> be OK with any tree fall but if the tide gets up real
>>> high...  at least it is looking like we won't mostly be on
>>> the dirty side so that is some comfort.
>>>
>>> Word is Nimrata will announce mandatory evacs tomorrow aft.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/4/16 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>
>>> No amount of hunkering down, boarding up, and an
>>> abundance of TP will get you past a 20' storm surge.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via
>>> Mercedes >> 
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>
>>> All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans,
>>> probably have
>>> 30 gal at this point so that will run the genny for a
>>> little
>>> while, mostly to keep the fridge topped up every few
>>> hours. I have
>>> plenty of gas, 3 grill tanks pretty full and the
>>> 100gal for the
>>> cooktop that is more than half full. Our water supply
>>> is all
>>> gravity fed so no pumps involved but I am going to
>>> fill up the
>>> tubs for whatever need there might be. Plenty of
>>> canned and dry
>>> food and I got more poodle food today, so won't
>>> starve.  I got
>>> tarps, plastico, and duct tape!
>>>
>>> Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured
>>> while I was
>>> there to go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some
>>> gatorades, which I usually don't buy in the bottles
>>> but I will use
>>> it anyway, esp if I am out working on stuff in the
>>> heat.  Bottled
>>> water was almost gone, and toilet paper. I don't
>>> understand the TP
>>> thing but there you go.  People seem to be starting
>>> to get close
>>> to manic panic, I am hearing mandatory evac will be
>>> issued
>>> tomorrow aft, for the islands probably. I guess the
>>> barrier
>>> island folks will need to go, I have pretty much
>>> decided to stay
>>> and get the house boarded up and tied down and
>>> whatever.  Not
>>> enough time to do that and head out before the herds
>>> stampede.
>>> Could get rough but if I go it would probably be at
>>> least a week
>>> before I could get back given we are at the end of
>>> the road with
>>> lots of trees.
>>>
>>> I shall keep all advised!
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> All excellent advice.
>>>
>>> We’ve sheltered in place for several
>>> hurricanes, although
>>> none of them were this powerful, but it can be
>>> done if
>>> you’re properly prepared.
>>>
>>> One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand
>>> crank radio that
>>> also charges cell phones using a USB port.
>>>It’s tedious as
>>> heck to use, but it does the job.
>>>
>>> We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our
>>> grille as
>>> well as a 40lb tank that’s connected to the
>>> oven in our
>>> outdoor kitchen.  We use this oven to cook with
>>> any time the
>>> AC is running so we don’t add any heat load to
>>> the house,
>>> and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank
>>> of propane.
>>>
>>> I have a 6.5kW 

Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I used 2 1/2" drywall or deck screws every foot around.   So far they 
have worked ok.  (Spaced 12" o.C.)



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
October 4, 2016 at 1:45 PM
What sort of clamp would hold in the plywood? It would have to be VERY
strong.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 


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October 4, 2016 at 1:34 PM
I like your idea

Sent from my iPhone


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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 4, 2016 at 1:23 PM
I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the 
windows in my house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying 
debris in a hurricane or tropical storm.


The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is 
screwed to the wall of the home, completely covering the window. Do 
understand that this means it’s often more than one sheet butted 
together as some windows are too large for a single 4x8’ sheet. Our 
walls are block with stucco, so concrete screws would be the choice of 
fastener.


However, I was wondering….

My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”. They have a frame 
around the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.


So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess 
where the window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it 
would cover the frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, 
then use some sort of spring tension rods in a couple of locations 
across the opening to hold the plywood in place?


Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s 
not exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)


The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the 
opening, but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying 
debris that would break it.


Does this make sense? I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a 
lot easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is how I did the protection for #1 Daughter's house.  Where one 
sheet of plywood would not cover the window or sliding door,  I used a 
2x4 or 2 across the joint on the outside as a hurricane brace.   The 
cover for one small window was made of cutoff scrap, so it has 2 2x4 
braces.  Overkill, but the 1/2" plywood won't buckle under 150mph wind 
that way.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 4, 2016 at 1:23 PM
I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the 
windows in my house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying 
debris in a hurricane or tropical storm.


The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is 
screwed to the wall of the home, completely covering the window. Do 
understand that this means it’s often more than one sheet butted 
together as some windows are too large for a single 4x8’ sheet. Our 
walls are block with stucco, so concrete screws would be the choice of 
fastener.


However, I was wondering….

My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”. They have a frame 
around the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.


So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess 
where the window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it 
would cover the frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, 
then use some sort of spring tension rods in a couple of locations 
across the opening to hold the plywood in place?


Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s 
not exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)


The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the 
opening, but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying 
debris that would break it.


Does this make sense? I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a 
lot easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's her name

--FT


On 10/4/16 3:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

How do you devolve Haley into Nimrata?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Floyd Thursby 
mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Our female minority woman Indian of color gubna, Nikki Haley. 
Standing by for presser scheduled to start a few minutes ago.


--R


On 10/4/16 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Nimrata??


On Oct 4, 2016 2:53 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes"
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Actually that is my main concern, that and the trees flying
around.  I think the house, at least the new addition, would
be OK with any tree fall but if the tide gets up real
high...  at least it is looking like we won't mostly be on
the dirty side so that is some comfort.

Word is Nimrata will announce mandatory evacs tomorrow aft.

--R


On 10/4/16 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

No amount of hunkering down, boarding up, and an
abundance of TP will get you past a 20' storm surge.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:

All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans,
probably have
30 gal at this point so that will run the genny for a
little
while, mostly to keep the fridge topped up every few
hours. I have
plenty of gas, 3 grill tanks pretty full and the
100gal for the
cooktop that is more than half full. Our water supply
is all
gravity fed so no pumps involved but I am going to
fill up the
tubs for whatever need there might be. Plenty of
canned and dry
food and I got more poodle food today, so won't
starve.  I got
tarps, plastico, and duct tape!

Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured
while I was
there to go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some
gatorades, which I usually don't buy in the bottles
but I will use
it anyway, esp if I am out working on stuff in the
heat.  Bottled
water was almost gone, and toilet paper. I don't
understand the TP
thing but there you go.  People seem to be starting
to get close
to manic panic, I am hearing mandatory evac will be
issued
tomorrow aft, for the islands probably. I guess the
barrier
island folks will need to go, I have pretty much
decided to stay
and get the house boarded up and tied down and
whatever.  Not
enough time to do that and head out before the herds
stampede.
Could get rough but if I go it would probably be at
least a week
before I could get back given we are at the end of
the road with
lots of trees.

I shall keep all advised!

--FT


On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

All excellent advice.

We’ve sheltered in place for several
hurricanes, although
none of them were this powerful, but it can be
done if
you’re properly prepared.

One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand
crank radio that
also charges cell phones using a USB port. 
It’s tedious as

heck to use, but it does the job.

We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our
grille as
well as a 40lb tank that’s connected to the
oven in our
outdoor kitchen.  We use this oven to cook with
any time the
AC is running so we don’t add any heat load to
the house,
and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank
of propane.

I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily
handle the
critical stuff, even more if I rotate things on
and off of it,
such as my deep freeze in the garage.

I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut
and ready for
the windows, as we only have a few that would be
in danger,
but I always seem to procrastinate on this. 
Maybe this year….



Dan

On Oct 4, 201

Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How do you devolve Haley into Nimrata?

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Floyd Thursby 
wrote:

> Our female minority woman Indian of color gubna, Nikki Haley.  Standing by
> for presser scheduled to start a few minutes ago.
>
> --R
>
> On 10/4/16 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Nimrata??
>
> On Oct 4, 2016 2:53 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually that is my main concern, that and the trees flying around.  I
>> think the house, at least the new addition, would be OK with any tree fall
>> but if the tide gets up real high...  at least it is looking like we won't
>> mostly be on the dirty side so that is some comfort.
>>
>> Word is Nimrata will announce mandatory evacs tomorrow aft.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/16 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> No amount of hunkering down, boarding up, and an abundance of TP will
>>> get you past a 20' storm surge.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans, probably have
>>> 30 gal at this point so that will run the genny for a little
>>> while, mostly to keep the fridge topped up every few hours. I have
>>> plenty of gas, 3 grill tanks pretty full and the 100gal for the
>>> cooktop that is more than half full.  Our water supply is all
>>> gravity fed so no pumps involved but I am going to fill up the
>>> tubs for whatever need there might be.  Plenty of canned and dry
>>> food and I got more poodle food today, so won't starve.  I got
>>> tarps, plastico, and duct tape!
>>>
>>> Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured while I was
>>> there to go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some
>>> gatorades, which I usually don't buy in the bottles but I will use
>>> it anyway, esp if I am out working on stuff in the heat.  Bottled
>>> water was almost gone, and toilet paper. I don't understand the TP
>>> thing but there you go.  People seem to be starting to get close
>>> to manic panic, I am hearing mandatory evac will be issued
>>> tomorrow aft, for the islands probably.  I guess the barrier
>>> island folks will need to go, I have pretty much decided to stay
>>> and get the house boarded up and tied down and whatever.  Not
>>> enough time to do that and head out before the herds stampede.
>>> Could get rough but if I go it would probably be at least a week
>>> before I could get back given we are at the end of the road with
>>> lots of trees.
>>>
>>> I shall keep all advised!
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> All excellent advice.
>>>
>>> We’ve sheltered in place for several hurricanes, although
>>> none of them were this powerful, but it can be done if
>>> you’re properly prepared.
>>>
>>> One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand crank radio that
>>> also charges cell phones using a USB port.  It’s tedious as
>>> heck to use, but it does the job.
>>>
>>> We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our grille as
>>> well as a 40lb tank that’s connected to the oven in our
>>> outdoor kitchen.  We use this oven to cook with any time the
>>> AC is running so we don’t add any heat load to the house,
>>> and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank of propane.
>>>
>>> I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily handle the
>>> critical stuff, even more if I rotate things on and off of it,
>>> such as my deep freeze in the garage.
>>>
>>> I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut and ready for
>>> the windows, as we only have a few that would be in danger,
>>> but I always seem to procrastinate on this.  Maybe this year….
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1
>>> stepson who lives in
>>> Melbourne:
>>> ---
>>> Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track
>>> for hurricane
>>> Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.
>>>So you need to be
>>> prepared for this storm which should he very close to you
>>> about noon Friday.
>>>
>>> If there is any possibility of the house flooding,
>>> evacuate and do it early.
>>> There is very little you can save by staying there. Have a
>>> destination
>>> before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan
>>> to go to a motel,
>>> get a reservation early or they'll al

Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Our female minority woman Indian of color gubna, Nikki Haley. Standing 
by for presser scheduled to start a few minutes ago.


--R


On 10/4/16 2:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


Nimrata??


On Oct 4, 2016 2:53 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


Actually that is my main concern, that and the trees flying
around. I think the house, at least the new addition, would be OK
with any tree fall but if the tide gets up real high...  at least
it is looking like we won't mostly be on the dirty side so that is
some comfort.

Word is Nimrata will announce mandatory evacs tomorrow aft.

--R


On 10/4/16 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

No amount of hunkering down, boarding up, and an abundance of
TP will get you past a 20' storm surge.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>
wrote:

All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans,
probably have
30 gal at this point so that will run the genny for a little
while, mostly to keep the fridge topped up every few
hours. I have
plenty of gas, 3 grill tanks pretty full and the 100gal
for the
cooktop that is more than half full.  Our water supply is all
gravity fed so no pumps involved but I am going to fill up the
tubs for whatever need there might be.  Plenty of canned
and dry
food and I got more poodle food today, so won't starve.  I got
tarps, plastico, and duct tape!

Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured
while I was
there to go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some
gatorades, which I usually don't buy in the bottles but I
will use
it anyway, esp if I am out working on stuff in the heat. 
Bottled

water was almost gone, and toilet paper. I don't
understand the TP
thing but there you go.  People seem to be starting to get
close
to manic panic, I am hearing mandatory evac will be issued
tomorrow aft, for the islands probably.  I guess the barrier
island folks will need to go, I have pretty much decided
to stay
and get the house boarded up and tied down and whatever.  Not
enough time to do that and head out before the herds stampede.
Could get rough but if I go it would probably be at least
a week
before I could get back given we are at the end of the
road with
lots of trees.

I shall keep all advised!

--FT


On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

All excellent advice.

We’ve sheltered in place for several hurricanes,
although
none of them were this powerful, but it can be done if
you’re properly prepared.

One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand crank
radio that
also charges cell phones using a USB port.  It’s
tedious as
heck to use, but it does the job.

We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our grille as
well as a 40lb tank that’s connected to the oven in our
outdoor kitchen.  We use this oven to cook with any
time the
AC is running so we don’t add any heat load to the
house,
and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank of
propane.

I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily
handle the
critical stuff, even more if I rotate things on and
off of it,
such as my deep freeze in the garage.

I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut and
ready for
the windows, as we only have a few that would be in
danger,
but I always seem to procrastinate on this.  Maybe
this year….


Dan

On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via
Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> wrote:

In case it might help someone, here is advice I
sent #1
stepson who lives in
Melbourne:
---
Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast
track
for hurricane
Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several
times. So you need to be
prepared for this storm which should he very close

Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Nimrata??

On Oct 4, 2016 2:53 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Actually that is my main concern, that and the trees flying around.  I
> think the house, at least the new addition, would be OK with any tree fall
> but if the tide gets up real high...  at least it is looking like we won't
> mostly be on the dirty side so that is some comfort.
>
> Word is Nimrata will announce mandatory evacs tomorrow aft.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 10/4/16 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> No amount of hunkering down, boarding up, and an abundance of TP will get
>> you past a 20' storm surge.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans, probably have
>> 30 gal at this point so that will run the genny for a little
>> while, mostly to keep the fridge topped up every few hours. I have
>> plenty of gas, 3 grill tanks pretty full and the 100gal for the
>> cooktop that is more than half full.  Our water supply is all
>> gravity fed so no pumps involved but I am going to fill up the
>> tubs for whatever need there might be.  Plenty of canned and dry
>> food and I got more poodle food today, so won't starve.  I got
>> tarps, plastico, and duct tape!
>>
>> Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured while I was
>> there to go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some
>> gatorades, which I usually don't buy in the bottles but I will use
>> it anyway, esp if I am out working on stuff in the heat.  Bottled
>> water was almost gone, and toilet paper. I don't understand the TP
>> thing but there you go.  People seem to be starting to get close
>> to manic panic, I am hearing mandatory evac will be issued
>> tomorrow aft, for the islands probably.  I guess the barrier
>> island folks will need to go, I have pretty much decided to stay
>> and get the house boarded up and tied down and whatever.  Not
>> enough time to do that and head out before the herds stampede.
>> Could get rough but if I go it would probably be at least a week
>> before I could get back given we are at the end of the road with
>> lots of trees.
>>
>> I shall keep all advised!
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> All excellent advice.
>>
>> We’ve sheltered in place for several hurricanes, although
>> none of them were this powerful, but it can be done if
>> you’re properly prepared.
>>
>> One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand crank radio that
>> also charges cell phones using a USB port.  It’s tedious as
>> heck to use, but it does the job.
>>
>> We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our grille as
>> well as a 40lb tank that’s connected to the oven in our
>> outdoor kitchen.  We use this oven to cook with any time the
>> AC is running so we don’t add any heat load to the house,
>> and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank of propane.
>>
>> I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily handle the
>> critical stuff, even more if I rotate things on and off of it,
>> such as my deep freeze in the garage.
>>
>> I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut and ready for
>> the windows, as we only have a few that would be in danger,
>> but I always seem to procrastinate on this.  Maybe this year….
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1
>> stepson who lives in
>> Melbourne:
>> ---
>> Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track
>> for hurricane
>> Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.
>>So you need to be
>> prepared for this storm which should he very close to you
>> about noon Friday.
>>
>> If there is any possibility of the house flooding,
>> evacuate and do it early.
>> There is very little you can save by staying there. Have a
>> destination
>> before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan
>> to go to a motel,
>> get a reservation early or they'll all be full.
>>
>> If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds
>> are below 100 mph)
>> you can shelter in place but have food and (especially)
>> water for at least 3
>> days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook
>> so be sure you
>> have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car and
>>  

Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Actually that is my main concern, that and the trees flying around.  I 
think the house, at least the new addition, would be OK with any tree 
fall but if the tide gets up real high...  at least it is looking like 
we won't mostly be on the dirty side so that is some comfort.


Word is Nimrata will announce mandatory evacs tomorrow aft.

--R


On 10/4/16 2:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
No amount of hunkering down, boarding up, and an abundance of TP will 
get you past a 20' storm surge.


On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans, probably have
30 gal at this point so that will run the genny for a little
while, mostly to keep the fridge topped up every few hours. I have
plenty of gas, 3 grill tanks pretty full and the 100gal for the
cooktop that is more than half full.  Our water supply is all
gravity fed so no pumps involved but I am going to fill up the
tubs for whatever need there might be.  Plenty of canned and dry
food and I got more poodle food today, so won't starve.  I got
tarps, plastico, and duct tape!

Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured while I was
there to go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some
gatorades, which I usually don't buy in the bottles but I will use
it anyway, esp if I am out working on stuff in the heat.  Bottled
water was almost gone, and toilet paper. I don't understand the TP
thing but there you go.  People seem to be starting to get close
to manic panic, I am hearing mandatory evac will be issued
tomorrow aft, for the islands probably.  I guess the barrier
island folks will need to go, I have pretty much decided to stay
and get the house boarded up and tied down and whatever.  Not
enough time to do that and head out before the herds stampede.
Could get rough but if I go it would probably be at least a week
before I could get back given we are at the end of the road with
lots of trees.

I shall keep all advised!

--FT


On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

All excellent advice.

We’ve sheltered in place for several hurricanes, although
none of them were this powerful, but it can be done if
you’re properly prepared.

One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand crank radio that
also charges cell phones using a USB port.  It’s tedious as
heck to use, but it does the job.

We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our grille as
well as a 40lb tank that’s connected to the oven in our
outdoor kitchen.  We use this oven to cook with any time the
AC is running so we don’t add any heat load to the house,
and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank of propane.

I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily handle the
critical stuff, even more if I rotate things on and off of it,
such as my deep freeze in the garage.

I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut and ready for
the windows, as we only have a few that would be in danger,
but I always seem to procrastinate on this.  Maybe this year….


Dan

On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1
stepson who lives in
Melbourne:
---
Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track
for hurricane
Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times. 
So you need to be

prepared for this storm which should he very close to you
about noon Friday.

If there is any possibility of the house flooding,
evacuate and do it early.
There is very little you can save by staying there. Have a
destination
before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan
to go to a motel,
get a reservation early or they'll all be full.

If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds
are below 100 mph)
you can shelter in place but have food and (especially)
water for at least 3
days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook
so be sure you
have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car and
get any needed
cash now; gas pumps and ATMs don't work without power. 
Without power, water

and sewage lift stations will stop working.

A battery-operated radio and a couple flashlights are very
nice to have.  A
battery radio may be your only source of information after
power is 

Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Why not just move up here to DC?  All the mod  cons and we NEVER get
hurricanes.  Plus, we broaden our tax base with tax paying Mercedes
classicists.  :)

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You want to look at the screws you screw in permanently, they have a wood
> thread that goes into the frame or whatever, and a bolt thread on the other
> end that sticks out.  You make your panels for each window and mark them,
> drill the mounting holes in the panel, put on the nuts and washers and
> you're good.  There are also some clips you can use that are sort of
> semi-permanent.  HD or Lowess will have them.  I'm just using deck screws
> into the siding/sheathing as I have new vinyl window frames.  I have one
> big slider which I will put some long 2/4s across and screw plywood to
> those.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 10/4/16 2:34 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I like your idea
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the
>>> windows in my house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying debris
>>> in a hurricane or tropical storm.
>>>
>>> The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is
>>> screwed to the wall of the home, completely covering the window.  Do
>>> understand that this means it’s often more than one sheet butted together
>>> as some windows are too large for a single 4x8’ sheet.  Our walls are block
>>> with stucco, so concrete screws would be the choice of fastener.
>>>
>>> However, I was wondering….
>>>
>>> My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”.  They have a frame
>>> around the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.
>>>
>>> So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess where
>>> the window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it would
>>> cover the frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, then use
>>> some sort of spring tension rods in a couple of locations across the
>>> opening to hold the plywood in place?
>>>
>>> Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s not
>>> exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)
>>>
>>> The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the
>>> opening, but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying debris
>>> that would break it.
>>>
>>> Does this make sense?  I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a
>>> lot easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.
>>>
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

You want to look at the screws you screw in permanently, they have a 
wood thread that goes into the frame or whatever, and a bolt thread on 
the other end that sticks out.  You make your panels for each window and 
mark them, drill the mounting holes in the panel, put on the nuts and 
washers and you're good.  There are also some clips you can use that are 
sort of semi-permanent.  HD or Lowess will have them.  I'm just using 
deck screws into the siding/sheathing as I have new vinyl window 
frames.  I have one big slider which I will put some long 2/4s across 
and screw plywood to those.


--FT


On 10/4/16 2:34 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

I like your idea

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the windows in my 
house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying debris in a hurricane or 
tropical storm.

The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is screwed to 
the wall of the home, completely covering the window.  Do understand that this 
means it’s often more than one sheet butted together as some windows are too 
large for a single 4x8’ sheet.  Our walls are block with stucco, so concrete 
screws would be the choice of fastener.

However, I was wondering….

My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”.  They have a frame around 
the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.

So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess where the 
window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it would cover the 
frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, then use some sort of 
spring tension rods in a couple of locations across the opening to hold the 
plywood in place?

Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s not 
exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)

The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the opening, 
but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying debris that would 
break it.

Does this make sense?  I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a lot 
easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Shower curtain rods if window openings wide enough.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> I'm trying to find a source for some stout tension rods. I'm sure they're out 
> there, but most of what I see are curtain rods.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I like your idea
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the windows 
>>> in my house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying debris in a 
>>> hurricane or tropical storm.
>>> 
>>> The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is screwed 
>>> to the wall of the home, completely covering the window.  Do understand 
>>> that this means it’s often more than one sheet butted together as some 
>>> windows are too large for a single 4x8’ sheet.  Our walls are block with 
>>> stucco, so concrete screws would be the choice of fastener.
>>> 
>>> However, I was wondering….
>>> 
>>> My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”.  They have a frame 
>>> around the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.
>>> 
>>> So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess where the 
>>> window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it would cover 
>>> the frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, then use some 
>>> sort of spring tension rods in a couple of locations across the opening to 
>>> hold the plywood in place?
>>> 
>>> Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s not 
>>> exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)
>>> 
>>> The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the 
>>> opening, but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying debris 
>>> that would break it.
>>> 
>>> Does this make sense?  I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a lot 
>>> easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks!

I'm trying to find a source for some stout tension rods. I'm sure they're out 
there, but most of what I see are curtain rods.

Dan

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I like your idea
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the windows in 
>> my house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying debris in a 
>> hurricane or tropical storm.
>> 
>> The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is screwed 
>> to the wall of the home, completely covering the window.  Do understand that 
>> this means it’s often more than one sheet butted together as some windows 
>> are too large for a single 4x8’ sheet.  Our walls are block with stucco, so 
>> concrete screws would be the choice of fastener.
>> 
>> However, I was wondering….
>> 
>> My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”.  They have a frame 
>> around the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.
>> 
>> So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess where the 
>> window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it would cover the 
>> frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, then use some sort of 
>> spring tension rods in a couple of locations across the opening to hold the 
>> plywood in place?
>> 
>> Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s not 
>> exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)
>> 
>> The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the 
>> opening, but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying debris 
>> that would break it.
>> 
>> Does this make sense?  I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a lot 
>> easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What sort of clamp would hold in the plywood? It would have to be VERY
strong.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I like your idea
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the
> windows in my house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying debris
> in a hurricane or tropical storm.
> >
> > The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is
> screwed to the wall of the home, completely covering the window.  Do
> understand that this means it’s often more than one sheet butted together
> as some windows are too large for a single 4x8’ sheet.  Our walls are block
> with stucco, so concrete screws would be the choice of fastener.
> >
> > However, I was wondering….
> >
> > My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”.  They have a frame
> around the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.
> >
> > So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess where
> the window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it would
> cover the frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, then use
> some sort of spring tension rods in a couple of locations across the
> opening to hold the plywood in place?
> >
> > Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s not
> exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)
> >
> > The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the
> opening, but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying debris
> that would break it.
> >
> > Does this make sense?  I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a
> lot easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.
> >
> > Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No amount of hunkering down, boarding up, and an abundance of TP will get
you past a 20' storm surge.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans, probably have 30 gal at
> this point so that will run the genny for a little while, mostly to keep
> the fridge topped up every few hours.  I have plenty of gas, 3 grill tanks
> pretty full and the 100gal for the cooktop that is more than half full.
> Our water supply is all gravity fed so no pumps involved but I am going to
> fill up the tubs for whatever need there might be.  Plenty of canned and
> dry food and I got more poodle food today, so won't starve.  I got tarps,
> plastico, and duct tape!
>
> Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured while I was there to
> go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some gatorades, which I usually
> don't buy in the bottles but I will use it anyway, esp if I am out working
> on stuff in the heat.  Bottled water was almost gone, and toilet paper.  I
> don't understand the TP thing but there you go.  People seem to be starting
> to get close to manic panic, I am hearing mandatory evac will be issued
> tomorrow aft, for the islands probably.  I guess the barrier island folks
> will need to go, I have pretty much decided to stay and get the house
> boarded up and tied down and whatever.  Not enough time to do that and head
> out before the herds stampede. Could get rough but if I go it would
> probably be at least a week before I could get back given we are at the end
> of the road with lots of trees.
>
> I shall keep all advised!
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> All excellent advice.
>>
>> We’ve sheltered in place for several hurricanes, although none of them
>> were this powerful, but it can be done if you’re properly prepared.
>>
>> One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand crank radio that also
>> charges cell phones using a USB port.  It’s tedious as heck to use, but
>> it does the job.
>>
>> We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our grille as well as a 40lb
>> tank that’s connected to the oven in our outdoor kitchen.  We use this
>> oven to cook with any time the AC is running so we don’t add any heat
>> load to the house, and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank of
>> propane.
>>
>> I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily handle the critical
>> stuff, even more if I rotate things on and off of it, such as my deep
>> freeze in the garage.
>>
>> I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut and ready for the windows,
>> as we only have a few that would be in danger, but I always seem to
>> procrastinate on this.  Maybe this year….
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1 stepson who
>>> lives in
>>> Melbourne:
>>> ---
>>> Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track for hurricane
>>> Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.  So you need to
>>> be
>>> prepared for this storm which should he very close to you about noon
>>> Friday.
>>>
>>> If there is any possibility of the house flooding, evacuate and do it
>>> early.
>>> There is very little you can save by staying there.  Have a destination
>>> before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan to go to a
>>> motel,
>>> get a reservation early or they'll all be full.
>>>
>>> If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds are below 100
>>> mph)
>>> you can shelter in place but have food and (especially) water for at
>>> least 3
>>> days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook so be sure you
>>> have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car and get any needed
>>> cash now; gas pumps and ATMs don't work without power.  Without power,
>>> water
>>> and sewage lift stations will stop working.
>>>
>>> A battery-operated radio and a couple flashlights are very nice to
>>> have.  A
>>> battery radio may be your only source of information after power is lost
>>> although landline phones are usually the last to go and cell phones are
>>> often the first to work afterwards.  Power is normally restored in 3-7
>>> days.
>>>
>>> The very worst place to be during the storm is in your car on the road.
>>> If
>>> you evacuate, do it before the roads become impassible with other folks
>>> who
>>> waited.
>>>
>>> We have ridden out many hurricanes in Florida.  It's no fun but seldom
>>> dangerous as long as you don't flood.  Most deaths are from drowning,
>>> electrocution (stay away from fallen wires), and injuries during cleanup.
>>>
>>> With luck, this storm will weaken and/or shift back to the east.
>>>
>>> Hang in there.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I sincerely doubt ANY 280S would be worth that much now - even in tobacco
brown, one owner, and unmolested.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Mileage is irrelevant at the price point we think it will sell. If truly
> 17K and documented sans rust and otherwise good condition it would be a 20K
> car
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't see the low mileage. Did they say they could document it?
> >
> > On Oct 4, 2016 1:27 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> These engines commonly fail in the margins between the cylinder pairs.
> >> The metal in these areas is very narrow, and due to the presence of a
> >> coolant passage they tend to develop corrosion and even indications of
> >> cavitation under some circumstances.  They start to leak between the
> >> cylinders, and as the head gasket fails, coolant makes it’s way into the
> >> cylinders.
> >>
> >> Just ask Jaime about this…
> >>
> >> I could see worn guides as well, especially if the engine had over
> >> 125k-150k on it.  I’ve owned a number of these in different chassis’ and
> >> they’re great engines when set up properly.  This is a known area of
> >> weakness that you just have to be aware of so it doesn’t become
> >> catastrophic.
> >>
> >> If they did valve guides on the BAT car it’s an indicator that the
> mileage
> >> is inaccurate.  I find it near impossible to believe that it would need
> >> guides after such little mileage.  Head failure I could maybe
> understand as
> >> it could be attributed to the storage.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
>  On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Top end rebuilt could have been for worn valve guides.
> >>>
> >>> Rocker panel rust is not terminal unless the car is worthless and even
> >> then some people like me will do it on even a measly 240D!
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I like your idea

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the windows in 
> my house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying debris in a 
> hurricane or tropical storm.
> 
> The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is screwed to 
> the wall of the home, completely covering the window.  Do understand that 
> this means it’s often more than one sheet butted together as some windows are 
> too large for a single 4x8’ sheet.  Our walls are block with stucco, so 
> concrete screws would be the choice of fastener.
> 
> However, I was wondering….
> 
> My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”.  They have a frame around 
> the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.
> 
> So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess where the 
> window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it would cover the 
> frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, then use some sort of 
> spring tension rods in a couple of locations across the opening to hold the 
> plywood in place?
> 
> Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s not 
> exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)
> 
> The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the 
> opening, but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying debris 
> that would break it.
> 
> Does this make sense?  I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a lot 
> easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

All good advice.  I filled up a bunch of gas cans, probably have 30 gal 
at this point so that will run the genny for a little while, mostly to 
keep the fridge topped up every few hours.  I have plenty of gas, 3 
grill tanks pretty full and the 100gal for the cooktop that is more than 
half full.  Our water supply is all gravity fed so no pumps involved but 
I am going to fill up the tubs for whatever need there might be.  Plenty 
of canned and dry food and I got more poodle food today, so won't 
starve.  I got tarps, plastico, and duct tape!


Went to Costco to fill the truck and my jugs, figured while I was there 
to go in and get some canned and dry stuff and some gatorades, which I 
usually don't buy in the bottles but I will use it anyway, esp if I am 
out working on stuff in the heat.  Bottled water was almost gone, and 
toilet paper.  I don't understand the TP thing but there you go.  People 
seem to be starting to get close to manic panic, I am hearing mandatory 
evac will be issued tomorrow aft, for the islands probably.  I guess the 
barrier island folks will need to go, I have pretty much decided to stay 
and get the house boarded up and tied down and whatever.  Not enough 
time to do that and head out before the herds stampede. Could get rough 
but if I go it would probably be at least a week before I could get back 
given we are at the end of the road with lots of trees.


I shall keep all advised!

--FT


On 10/4/16 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

All excellent advice.

We’ve sheltered in place for several hurricanes, although none of them were 
this powerful, but it can be done if you’re properly prepared.

One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand crank radio that also charges cell 
phones using a USB port.  It’s tedious as heck to use, but it does the job.

We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our grille as well as a 40lb tank 
that’s connected to the oven in our outdoor kitchen.  We use this oven to 
cook with any time the AC is running so we don’t add any heat load to the 
house, and it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank of propane.

I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily handle the critical stuff, 
even more if I rotate things on and off of it, such as my deep freeze in the 
garage.

I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut and ready for the windows, as we 
only have a few that would be in danger, but I always seem to procrastinate on 
this.  Maybe this year….

Dan


On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  
wrote:

In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1 stepson who lives in
Melbourne:
---
Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track for hurricane
Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.  So you need to be
prepared for this storm which should he very close to you about noon Friday.

If there is any possibility of the house flooding, evacuate and do it early.
There is very little you can save by staying there.  Have a destination
before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan to go to a motel,
get a reservation early or they'll all be full.

If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds are below 100 mph)
you can shelter in place but have food and (especially) water for at least 3
days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook so be sure you
have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car and get any needed
cash now; gas pumps and ATMs don't work without power.  Without power, water
and sewage lift stations will stop working.

A battery-operated radio and a couple flashlights are very nice to have.  A
battery radio may be your only source of information after power is lost
although landline phones are usually the last to go and cell phones are
often the first to work afterwards.  Power is normally restored in 3-7 days.

The very worst place to be during the storm is in your car on the road.  If
you evacuate, do it before the roads become impassible with other folks who
waited.

We have ridden out many hurricanes in Florida.  It's no fun but seldom
dangerous as long as you don't flood.  Most deaths are from drowning,
electrocution (stay away from fallen wires), and injuries during cleanup.

With luck, this storm will weaken and/or shift back to the east.

Hang in there.



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[MBZ] Ideas/Opinions on Hurricane Window Protection

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have been wondering about a possible approach to protecting the windows in my 
house that are the most likely to be damaged by flying debris in a hurricane or 
tropical storm.

The typical way people do it is to have a sheet of plywood that is screwed to 
the wall of the home, completely covering the window.  Do understand that this 
means it’s often more than one sheet butted together as some windows are too 
large for a single 4x8’ sheet.  Our walls are block with stucco, so concrete 
screws would be the choice of fastener.

However, I was wondering….

My windows are recessed into the walls about 4”-5”.  They have a frame around 
the outer edges (glass) of about 1-1/2”.

So why couldn’t I cut a piece of plywood to fit inside the recess where the 
window is located, big enough to reach to the edges where it would cover the 
frame and reach all the way to the wall on each side, then use some sort of 
spring tension rods in a couple of locations across the opening to hold the 
plywood in place?

Since it would be recessed and up against the window and frame, it’s not 
exposed to the wind (the wind couldn’t get behind it.)

The concern is not to keep it from being torn off or removed from the opening, 
but to shield or cover the window to protect it from flying debris that would 
break it.

Does this make sense?  I’m thinking it should work just fine, and be a lot 
easier to deploy and far less damaging to the house as well.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Mileage is irrelevant at the price point we think it will sell. If truly 17K 
and documented sans rust and otherwise good condition it would be a 20K car

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I didn't see the low mileage. Did they say they could document it?
> 
> On Oct 4, 2016 1:27 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> These engines commonly fail in the margins between the cylinder pairs.
>> The metal in these areas is very narrow, and due to the presence of a
>> coolant passage they tend to develop corrosion and even indications of
>> cavitation under some circumstances.  They start to leak between the
>> cylinders, and as the head gasket fails, coolant makes it’s way into the
>> cylinders.
>> 
>> Just ask Jaime about this…
>> 
>> I could see worn guides as well, especially if the engine had over
>> 125k-150k on it.  I’ve owned a number of these in different chassis’ and
>> they’re great engines when set up properly.  This is a known area of
>> weakness that you just have to be aware of so it doesn’t become
>> catastrophic.
>> 
>> If they did valve guides on the BAT car it’s an indicator that the mileage
>> is inaccurate.  I find it near impossible to believe that it would need
>> guides after such little mileage.  Head failure I could maybe understand as
>> it could be attributed to the storage.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Top end rebuilt could have been for worn valve guides.
>>> 
>>> Rocker panel rust is not terminal unless the car is worthless and even
>> then some people like me will do it on even a measly 240D!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think it said something like 17k, but there were comments about it’s 
accuracy.  I would have to go back and read the details.

Dan


> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I didn't see the low mileage. Did they say they could document it?
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2016 1:27 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  > wrote:
> These engines commonly fail in the margins between the cylinder pairs.  The 
> metal in these areas is very narrow, and due to the presence of a coolant 
> passage they tend to develop corrosion and even indications of cavitation 
> under some circumstances.  They start to leak between the cylinders, and as 
> the head gasket fails, coolant makes it’s way into the cylinders.
> 
> Just ask Jaime about this…
> 
> I could see worn guides as well, especially if the engine had over 125k-150k 
> on it.  I’ve owned a number of these in different chassis’ and they’re great 
> engines when set up properly.  This is a known area of weakness that you just 
> have to be aware of so it doesn’t become catastrophic.
> 
> If they did valve guides on the BAT car it’s an indicator that the mileage is 
> inaccurate.  I find it near impossible to believe that it would need guides 
> after such little mileage.  Head failure I could maybe understand as it could 
> be attributed to the storage.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> > On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> >
> > Top end rebuilt could have been for worn valve guides.
> >
> > Rocker panel rust is not terminal unless the car is worthless and even then 
> > some people like me will do it on even a measly 240D!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I didn't see the low mileage. Did they say they could document it?

On Oct 4, 2016 1:27 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> These engines commonly fail in the margins between the cylinder pairs.
> The metal in these areas is very narrow, and due to the presence of a
> coolant passage they tend to develop corrosion and even indications of
> cavitation under some circumstances.  They start to leak between the
> cylinders, and as the head gasket fails, coolant makes it’s way into the
> cylinders.
>
> Just ask Jaime about this…
>
> I could see worn guides as well, especially if the engine had over
> 125k-150k on it.  I’ve owned a number of these in different chassis’ and
> they’re great engines when set up properly.  This is a known area of
> weakness that you just have to be aware of so it doesn’t become
> catastrophic.
>
> If they did valve guides on the BAT car it’s an indicator that the mileage
> is inaccurate.  I find it near impossible to believe that it would need
> guides after such little mileage.  Head failure I could maybe understand as
> it could be attributed to the storage.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Top end rebuilt could have been for worn valve guides.
> >
> > Rocker panel rust is not terminal unless the car is worthless and even
> then some people like me will do it on even a measly 240D!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

All excellent advice.

We’ve sheltered in place for several hurricanes, although none of them were 
this powerful, but it can be done if you’re properly prepared.

One of my favorite items is a Red Cross hand crank radio that also charges cell 
phones using a USB port.  It’s tedious as heck to use, but it does the job.

We always have two 20lb tanks of propane for our grille as well as a 40lb tank 
that’s connected to the oven in our outdoor kitchen.  We use this oven to cook 
with any time the AC is running so we don’t add any heat load to the house, and 
it routinely goes 6-8 months on a single tank of propane.

I have a 6.5kW portable generator that can easily handle the critical stuff, 
even more if I rotate things on and off of it, such as my deep freeze in the 
garage.

I keep thinking about getting some plywood cut and ready for the windows, as we 
only have a few that would be in danger, but I always seem to procrastinate on 
this.  Maybe this year….

Dan

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1 stepson who lives in
> Melbourne:
> ---
> Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track for hurricane
> Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.  So you need to be
> prepared for this storm which should he very close to you about noon Friday.
> 
> If there is any possibility of the house flooding, evacuate and do it early.
> There is very little you can save by staying there.  Have a destination
> before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan to go to a motel,
> get a reservation early or they'll all be full.
> 
> If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds are below 100 mph)
> you can shelter in place but have food and (especially) water for at least 3
> days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook so be sure you
> have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car and get any needed
> cash now; gas pumps and ATMs don't work without power.  Without power, water
> and sewage lift stations will stop working.
> 
> A battery-operated radio and a couple flashlights are very nice to have.  A
> battery radio may be your only source of information after power is lost
> although landline phones are usually the last to go and cell phones are
> often the first to work afterwards.  Power is normally restored in 3-7 days.
> 
> The very worst place to be during the storm is in your car on the road.  If
> you evacuate, do it before the roads become impassible with other folks who
> waited.
> 
> We have ridden out many hurricanes in Florida.  It's no fun but seldom
> dangerous as long as you don't flood.  Most deaths are from drowning,
> electrocution (stay away from fallen wires), and injuries during cleanup.
> 
> With luck, this storm will weaken and/or shift back to the east.
> 
> Hang in there. 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

These engines commonly fail in the margins between the cylinder pairs.  The 
metal in these areas is very narrow, and due to the presence of a coolant 
passage they tend to develop corrosion and even indications of cavitation under 
some circumstances.  They start to leak between the cylinders, and as the head 
gasket fails, coolant makes it’s way into the cylinders.

Just ask Jaime about this…

I could see worn guides as well, especially if the engine had over 125k-150k on 
it.  I’ve owned a number of these in different chassis’ and they’re great 
engines when set up properly.  This is a known area of weakness that you just 
have to be aware of so it doesn’t become catastrophic.

If they did valve guides on the BAT car it’s an indicator that the mileage is 
inaccurate.  I find it near impossible to believe that it would need guides 
after such little mileage.  Head failure I could maybe understand as it could 
be attributed to the storage.

Dan



> On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Top end rebuilt could have been for worn valve guides.
> 
> Rocker panel rust is not terminal unless the car is worthless and even then 
> some people like me will do it on even a measly 240D!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Top end rebuilt could have been for worn valve guides.

Rocker panel rust is not terminal unless the car is worthless and even then 
some people like me will do it on even a measly 240D!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There’s some weird stuff in the description that doesn’t add up.
> 
> They replaced three of the four brake hoses?  Why not the fourth?
> 
> The “top end rebuild” was most likely due to a head gasket failure, which is 
> common on these engines.  However, unless there were issues due to the use of 
> improper coolant, there is no way the car has 17k on the clock.
> 
> Rust on a W108 is terminal in the rocker panels.  Unless it’s surface rust, 
> there’s more behind it and it will cost you more than the car is worth to fix 
> it.
> 
> Otherwise it’s a nice looking car that would be great for a fun driver and 
> not put any money into it.
> 
> People are paying just stupid, stupid money for these cars.  I’m betting it 
> will go in excess of $8k.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That car is gorgeous including the color! I predict 7-8K.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/
>>> 
>>> This 108 sedan with the unexciting carbureted engine suffers from some
>>> serious flaws:  tobacco brown color, modifications that blunts its
>>> originality, expensive recent work (transmission, top end of motor),
>>> lingering annoying remaining issues, and rust (not what you'd expect from a
>>> car that has supposedly been in CA since 1971).
>>> 
>>> On the plus side, it has lots of documentation and its original paint, FWIW.
>>> 
>>> Interesting to see what the high/winning bid will be.  I predict under $5k.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's good advice Scott.  I have found that hotel/motels will require
reservations to be paid in advance and non-refundable, so keep that in
mind.

I need to check if we still have a paper road atlas.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1 stepson who lives
> in
> Melbourne:
> ---
> Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track for hurricane
> Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.  So you need to be
> prepared for this storm which should he very close to you about noon
> Friday.
>
> If there is any possibility of the house flooding, evacuate and do it
> early.
> There is very little you can save by staying there.  Have a destination
> before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan to go to a
> motel,
> get a reservation early or they'll all be full.
>
> If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds are below 100
> mph)
> you can shelter in place but have food and (especially) water for at least
> 3
> days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook so be sure you
> have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car and get any needed
> cash now; gas pumps and ATMs don't work without power.  Without power,
> water
> and sewage lift stations will stop working.
>
> A battery-operated radio and a couple flashlights are very nice to have.  A
> battery radio may be your only source of information after power is lost
> although landline phones are usually the last to go and cell phones are
> often the first to work afterwards.  Power is normally restored in 3-7
> days.
>
> The very worst place to be during the storm is in your car on the road.  If
> you evacuate, do it before the roads become impassible with other folks who
> waited.
>
> We have ridden out many hurricanes in Florida.  It's no fun but seldom
> dangerous as long as you don't flood.  Most deaths are from drowning,
> electrocution (stay away from fallen wires), and injuries during cleanup.
>
> With luck, this storm will weaken and/or shift back to the east.
>
> Hang in there.
>
> -
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >
> > shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds
> and
> > LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands which I
> will
> > choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out tomorrow, check the
> track
> > on Wed then start prepping. Might have to bail to upstate at some point.
> If
> > I stay I have plenty of beer, food, and shotgun shells and will get some
> gas
> > for the genny tomorrow.
> >
> > Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding what
> to
> > do.  I think I know the answer.
> >
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[MBZ] Mercedes to enter Formula E racing

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/4/13160204/mercedes-benz-formula-e-electric-cars-racing

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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In case it might help someone, here is advice I sent #1 stepson who lives in
Melbourne:
---
Since you spoke with us on the phone, the forecast track for hurricane
Matthew has shifted west (closer to you) several times.  So you need to be
prepared for this storm which should he very close to you about noon Friday.

If there is any possibility of the house flooding, evacuate and do it early.
There is very little you can save by staying there.  Have a destination
before you leave.  Take any important papers.  If you plan to go to a motel,
get a reservation early or they'll all be full.

If you are sure the house won't flood (and expected winds are below 100 mph)
you can shelter in place but have food and (especially) water for at least 3
days.  You will probably lose power and be unable to cook so be sure you
have food you can eat without cooking.  Gas up the car and get any needed
cash now; gas pumps and ATMs don't work without power.  Without power, water
and sewage lift stations will stop working.

A battery-operated radio and a couple flashlights are very nice to have.  A
battery radio may be your only source of information after power is lost
although landline phones are usually the last to go and cell phones are
often the first to work afterwards.  Power is normally restored in 3-7 days.

The very worst place to be during the storm is in your car on the road.  If
you evacuate, do it before the roads become impassible with other folks who
waited.

We have ridden out many hurricanes in Florida.  It's no fun but seldom
dangerous as long as you don't flood.  Most deaths are from drowning,
electrocution (stay away from fallen wires), and injuries during cleanup.

With luck, this storm will weaken and/or shift back to the east.

Hang in there. 

-

> -Original Message-
> From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> 
> shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds and
> LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands which I
will
> choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out tomorrow, check the
track
> on Wed then start prepping. Might have to bail to upstate at some point.
If
> I stay I have plenty of beer, food, and shotgun shells and will get some
gas
> for the genny tomorrow.
> 
> Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding what to
> do.  I think I know the answer.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, I spoke too soon, looking pretty bad for us now.  I just filled the tank 
in my wagon, I'll tell SWMBO to fill the tank in her car.  I think we'll stay 
if we will not get a direct hit, unless the wind forecast is too high.  I'll 
fill up the generator tank tonight when I get off work.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 4, 2016 8:52:53 AM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I'm off this morning to fill gas cans and truck, gonna start getting
>the 
>plywood out for the windows and getting that up. Track keeps moving 
>westward, right now it looks like it will run right up the coast a bit 
>offshore.  That's a little better than a direct hit straight on but
>will 
>mean high winds and the ocean is going to seriously disturbed. 
>Probably 
>move vehicles later on to higher an open field, get them away from the 
>trees.  I'm leaning toward riding it out, which is probably a stupid 
>idea, but I'm thinking I wouldn't be able to get back home for a week
>or 
>more until all the trees get cleared off the road.
>
>--FT
>
>
>On 10/4/16 8:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Looks like we’ll get some wind, maybe more.  Went out this morning
>before wok and stocked up on water and fuel just in case.  Looks like I
>beat the crowd.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess the weatherman has gotten under your skin, I think this
>might, just maybe, cause a little less rain and wind than the storm
>that came through earlier this year.  We sure could use the rain.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, you've got all those big trees around, maybe you should up
>sticks...
>>> -- 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>>
>>> On October 3, 2016 8:39:51 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
 shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+
>winds
 and LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands
 which I will choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out
 tomorrow, check the track on Wed then start prepping. Might have to
 bail
 to upstate at some point.  If I stay I have plenty of beer, food,
>and
 shotgun shells and will get some gas for the genny tomorrow.

 Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding
>what

 to do.  I think I know the answer.

 -- 
 --FT


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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There’s some weird stuff in the description that doesn’t add up.

They replaced three of the four brake hoses?  Why not the fourth?

The “top end rebuild” was most likely due to a head gasket failure, which is 
common on these engines.  However, unless there were issues due to the use of 
improper coolant, there is no way the car has 17k on the clock.

Rust on a W108 is terminal in the rocker panels.  Unless it’s surface rust, 
there’s more behind it and it will cost you more than the car is worth to fix 
it.

Otherwise it’s a nice looking car that would be great for a fun driver and not 
put any money into it.

People are paying just stupid, stupid money for these cars.  I’m betting it 
will go in excess of $8k.

Dan


> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:57 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That car is gorgeous including the color! I predict 7-8K.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/
>> 
>> This 108 sedan with the unexciting carbureted engine suffers from some
>> serious flaws:  tobacco brown color, modifications that blunts its
>> originality, expensive recent work (transmission, top end of motor),
>> lingering annoying remaining issues, and rust (not what you'd expect from a
>> car that has supposedly been in CA since 1971).
>> 
>> On the plus side, it has lots of documentation and its original paint, FWIW.
>> 
>> Interesting to see what the high/winning bid will be.  I predict under $5k.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I just don't see the seller recouping the expense of the recent engine and
transmission "refurbishment" (such a high falutin word -excuse me while I
barf)

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> I'm not a fan of brown cars.  But, on these old MBs I actually like it.
>  The rust is the main issue I see.  Someone has taken care of the car and
> the overall condition is pretty nice considering.  But, the rust could be
> very bad.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 9:40 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/
>
> This 108 sedan with the unexciting carbureted engine suffers from some
> serious flaws:  tobacco brown color, modifications that blunts its
> originality, expensive recent work (transmission, top end of motor),
> lingering annoying remaining issues, and rust (not what you'd expect from a
> car that has supposedly been in CA since 1971).
>
> On the plus side, it has lots of documentation and its original paint,
> FWIW.
>
> Interesting to see what the high/winning bid will be.  I predict under $5k.
>
> ALS
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Sparkleburg if I decide to bail out

--FT


On 10/4/16 10:40 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Uh oh.  Better move to Asheville.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


I'm off this morning to fill gas cans and truck, gonna start
getting the plywood out for the windows and getting that up. Track
keeps moving westward, right now it looks like it will run right
up the coast a bit offshore.  That's a little better than a direct
hit straight on but will mean high winds and the ocean is going to
seriously disturbed.  Probably move vehicles later on to higher an
open field, get them away from the trees.  I'm leaning toward
riding it out, which is probably a stupid idea, but I'm thinking I
wouldn't be able to get back home for a week or more until all the
trees get cleared off the road.

--FT



On 10/4/16 8:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Looks like we’ll get some wind, maybe more.  Went out this
morning before wok and stocked up on water and fuel just in
case.  Looks like I beat the crowd.

Dan

On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I guess the weatherman has gotten under your skin, I think
this might, just maybe, cause a little less rain and wind
than the storm that came through earlier this year.  We
sure could use the rain.

Oh yeah, you've got all those big trees around, maybe you
should up sticks...
-- 
Max Dillon

Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 8:39:51 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a
CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds
and LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation
from the islands
which I will choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the
boards out
tomorrow, check the track on Wed then start prepping.
Might have to
bail
to upstate at some point.  If I stay I have plenty of
beer, food, and
shotgun shells and will get some gas for the genny
tomorrow.

Will check with the binyahs to see what they think
before deciding what

to do.  I think I know the answer.

-- 
--FT



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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I'm not a fan of brown cars.  But, on these old MBs I actually like it.   The 
rust is the main issue I see.  Someone has taken care of the car and the 
overall condition is pretty nice considering.  But, the rust could be very bad. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 9:40 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/

This 108 sedan with the unexciting carbureted engine suffers from some serious 
flaws:  tobacco brown color, modifications that blunts its originality, 
expensive recent work (transmission, top end of motor), lingering annoying 
remaining issues, and rust (not what you'd expect from a car that has 
supposedly been in CA since 1971).

On the plus side, it has lots of documentation and its original paint, FWIW.

Interesting to see what the high/winning bid will be.  I predict under $5k.

ALS

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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We'll see.  Anyone else?


On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  wrote:

> That car is gorgeous including the color! I predict 7-8K.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/
> >
> > This 108 sedan with the unexciting carbureted engine suffers from some
> > serious flaws:  tobacco brown color, modifications that blunts its
> > originality, expensive recent work (transmission, top end of motor),
> > lingering annoying remaining issues, and rust (not what you'd expect
> from a
> > car that has supposedly been in CA since 1971).
> >
> > On the plus side, it has lots of documentation and its original paint,
> FWIW.
> >
> > Interesting to see what the high/winning bid will be.  I predict under
> $5k.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

That car is gorgeous including the color! I predict 7-8K.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/
> 
> This 108 sedan with the unexciting carbureted engine suffers from some
> serious flaws:  tobacco brown color, modifications that blunts its
> originality, expensive recent work (transmission, top end of motor),
> lingering annoying remaining issues, and rust (not what you'd expect from a
> car that has supposedly been in CA since 1971).
> 
> On the plus side, it has lots of documentation and its original paint, FWIW.
> 
> Interesting to see what the high/winning bid will be.  I predict under $5k.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I won't even LOOK at it.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Don’t touch it.  They degrade from heating and cooling over time, and
> become really brittle.  Nearly every one I’ve ever replaced has been
> cracked in the center.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't needed one in at least 7 years and I drive my 1983 300TD daily.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've only had to replace one once, the time the feed line to the relay on my 
(formerly Dwight's) '78 240D somehow laid on the exhaust pipe where the 
insulation melted causing a short. That car absolutely would not start without 
glowplugs. 
My '83 240D would complain but would eventually start...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 10:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update
   
I haven't needed one in at least 7 years and I drive my 1983 300TD daily.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> 'Bout 15 years ago, I needed one of those fuses; went to local VW
> stealership and got 2.  Installed one and put the spare in an envelope in
> glove compartment of the 81 300D for possible use later.  2 or 3 years
> later, I was  cleaning out the glove compartment when selling the car;
> opened the envelope and found that  the fuse had disintegrated into very
> little melted "beads."
> Lesson:  Don't store the spare where it gets hot.
>
> W
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes List" 
> Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update
>
>
> That is the “strip” fuse, John.  Just as described in previous posts.
>> Replace it and you should be good to go - buy a couple of spares to have
>> around, too.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:12 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it
>>> inside the cover on top of the relay.  I hope it is the right fuse because
>>> it was blown and came out in two pieces.  It is just a steel band and looks
>>> like the fuses in the on-line websites.  The only lettering I can find
>>> looks to say 80A and is followed by a P with a circle around it. Is this
>>> possible?
>>> This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent.  Over the
>>> years I have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right part.  I
>>> think MBZ was using the parts they had left when they made this car. Some
>>> parts were clearly from earlier years, others may have been last minute
>>> changes.
>>> I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.
>>> Thank you all again for your help!
>>> John Ingram
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Don’t touch it.  They degrade from heating and cooling over time, and become 
really brittle.  Nearly every one I’ve ever replaced has been cracked in the 
center.

Dan


> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I haven't needed one in at least 7 years and I drive my 1983 300TD daily.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I haven't needed one in at least 7 years and I drive my 1983 300TD daily.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> 'Bout 15 years ago, I needed one of those fuses; went to local VW
> stealership and got 2.  Installed one and put the spare in an envelope in
> glove compartment of the 81 300D for possible use later.  2 or 3 years
> later, I was  cleaning out the glove compartment when selling the car;
> opened the envelope and found that  the fuse had disintegrated into very
> little melted "beads."
> Lesson:  Don't store the spare where it gets hot.
>
> W
>
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
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> Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update
>
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> That is the “strip” fuse, John.  Just as described in previous posts.
>> Replace it and you should be good to go - buy a couple of spares to have
>> around, too.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:12 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it
>>> inside the cover on top of the relay.  I hope it is the right fuse because
>>> it was blown and came out in two pieces.  It is just a steel band and looks
>>> like the fuses in the on-line websites.  The only lettering I can find
>>> looks to say 80A and is followed by a P with a circle around it. Is this
>>> possible?
>>> This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent.  Over the
>>> years I have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right part.  I
>>> think MBZ was using the parts they had left when they made this car. Some
>>> parts were clearly from earlier years, others may have been last minute
>>> changes.
>>> I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.
>>> Thank you all again for your help!
>>> John Ingram
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Uh oh.  Better move to Asheville.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm off this morning to fill gas cans and truck, gonna start getting the
> plywood out for the windows and getting that up. Track keeps moving
> westward, right now it looks like it will run right up the coast a bit
> offshore.  That's a little better than a direct hit straight on but will
> mean high winds and the ocean is going to seriously disturbed.  Probably
> move vehicles later on to higher an open field, get them away from the
> trees.  I'm leaning toward riding it out, which is probably a stupid idea,
> but I'm thinking I wouldn't be able to get back home for a week or more
> until all the trees get cleared off the road.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 10/4/16 8:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Looks like we’ll get some wind, maybe more.  Went out this morning before
>> wok and stocked up on water and fuel just in case.  Looks like I beat the
>> crowd.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess the weatherman has gotten under your skin, I think this might,
>>> just maybe, cause a little less rain and wind than the storm that came
>>> through earlier this year.  We sure could use the rain.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, you've got all those big trees around, maybe you should up
>>> sticks...
>>> --
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>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>>
>>> On October 3, 2016 8:39:51 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds
 and LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands
 which I will choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out
 tomorrow, check the track on Wed then start prepping. Might have to
 bail
 to upstate at some point.  If I stay I have plenty of beer, food, and
 shotgun shells and will get some gas for the genny tomorrow.

 Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding what

 to do.  I think I know the answer.

 --
 --FT


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[MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/

This 108 sedan with the unexciting carbureted engine suffers from some
serious flaws:  tobacco brown color, modifications that blunts its
originality, expensive recent work (transmission, top end of motor),
lingering annoying remaining issues, and rust (not what you'd expect from a
car that has supposedly been in CA since 1971).

On the plus side, it has lots of documentation and its original paint, FWIW.

Interesting to see what the high/winning bid will be.  I predict under $5k.

ALS
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Bout 15 years ago, I needed one of those fuses; went to local VW 
stealership and got 2.  Installed one and put the spare in an envelope in 
glove compartment of the 81 300D for possible use later.  2 or 3 years 
later, I was  cleaning out the glove compartment when selling the car; 
opened the envelope and found that  the fuse had disintegrated into very 
little melted "beads."

Lesson:  Don't store the spare where it gets hot.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update


That is the “strip” fuse, John.  Just as described in previous posts. 
Replace it and you should be good to go - buy a couple of spares to have 
around, too.


Dan



On Oct 3, 2016, at 7:12 PM, John Ingram via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Hello Everyone,
I went out to the car and searched for the fuse and finally found it 
inside the cover on top of the relay.  I hope it is the right fuse 
because it was blown and came out in two pieces.  It is just a steel band 
and looks like the fuses in the on-line websites.  The only lettering I 
can find looks to say 80A and is followed by a P with a circle around it. 
Is this possible?
This car is a very late 83 240D, one of the last ones sent.  Over the 
years I have had to use the VIN number in order to get the right part.  I 
think MBZ was using the parts they had left when they made this car. Some 
parts were clearly from earlier years, others may have been last minute 
changes.

I think I’ll look for a fuse first (80A?), It might fix it.
Thank you all again for your help!
John Ingram



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Re: [MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes.  Sedans rust out the spring perches.  wagons don't


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
October 4, 2016 at 7:59 AM

I thought the 2wd cars had spring perches and the 4matic didn't.
My 4matic S210 doesn't, of course.

Mitch.


Curley McLain 
October 3, 2016 at 11:36 PM
yes in the sedan, but not S210


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
October 3, 2016 at 8:51 PM
Are these the ones that the spring perches rust out on?


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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm off this morning to fill gas cans and truck, gonna start getting the 
plywood out for the windows and getting that up. Track keeps moving 
westward, right now it looks like it will run right up the coast a bit 
offshore.  That's a little better than a direct hit straight on but will 
mean high winds and the ocean is going to seriously disturbed.  Probably 
move vehicles later on to higher an open field, get them away from the 
trees.  I'm leaning toward riding it out, which is probably a stupid 
idea, but I'm thinking I wouldn't be able to get back home for a week or 
more until all the trees get cleared off the road.


--FT


On 10/4/16 8:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Looks like we’ll get some wind, maybe more.  Went out this morning before wok 
and stocked up on water and fuel just in case.  Looks like I beat the crowd.

Dan


On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

I guess the weatherman has gotten under your skin, I think this might, just 
maybe, cause a little less rain and wind than the storm that came through 
earlier this year.  We sure could use the rain.

Oh yeah, you've got all those big trees around, maybe you should up sticks...
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 8:39:51 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds
and LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands
which I will choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out
tomorrow, check the track on Wed then start prepping. Might have to
bail
to upstate at some point.  If I stay I have plenty of beer, food, and
shotgun shells and will get some gas for the genny tomorrow.

Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding what

to do.  I think I know the answer.

--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap W210 Chassis

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 4, 2016 at 12:36 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> yes in the sedan, but not S210

I thought the 2wd cars had spring perches and the 4matic didn't. 
My 4matic S210 doesn't, of course. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[MG via Mercedes]

As far as I can remember the transaxle was the same. The only 
difference was the axles themselves. The reduction box was there 
more to give better power from the same engine because of the 
weight carrying capabilities of the bus.


We used to drive from Westchester up to the Catskills a lot of 
weekends to get flagstones out of the rivers and sides of the 
hills up there. We would load the back of the bus from the rear 
seat all the way to the front wall up to the level of the seat 
with those slabs. All were neatly stacked in. Dad and I built a 
large patio at the back of the house with those.


Needless to say the bus (both 64 and the 67 when we bought that 
new) went really slow going up the hills coming back loaded. 
Trick was to pick up as much speed as possible on the downhill 
run without running off the road in the curves. Good training for 
road racing. Learned all about using the whole road in a curve 
from the outside to the inside and back to the outside over both 
lanes on your side of the four-lane. Not as much traffic back 
then as there is now.


All of those old VWs did good offroad due to the engine and 
transaxle being in the back. They were after all developed during 
WWII for that very purpose.


Attached is a picture of an original ca/trailer developed by VW 
back then for the recovery of the original buses and cars if they 
broke down during testing. They also made 4x4 versions of the bug 
used as military command cars.


Manfred




Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 21:41:57 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

I was just guessing base on memories that are nearly 50 years 
old.  I was surprised when I discovered them at the time, and 
when I started researching (at the time) I thought I came across 
something that said they were 1:1 and just there to increase 
ground clearance.


That would suggest that the transaxles for the bus were different 
from the car, as they would have factored into the final drive?


Only bus I ever had, and during a period of time when I was not 
what one would considered ?clear headed?, so I?m not surprised I 
was unaware of this.  Understand that my barn door bus was 
painted dark green and had ?Der Party Vagon? airbrushed in white 
Old English lettering on the sides, courtesy of a good friend who 
frequented our home shop for the air supply to do her airbrush art.


I will say that with the set of snow wires off my Mom?s 1974 
Impala Custom Coupe on the rear wheels that bus would go just 
about anywhere.  I off roaded in it regularly, both on purpose 
and not on purpose.


'nuf said.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Latest track

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like we’ll get some wind, maybe more.  Went out this morning before wok 
and stocked up on water and fuel just in case.  Looks like I beat the crowd.

Dan

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I guess the weatherman has gotten under your skin, I think this might, just 
> maybe, cause a little less rain and wind than the storm that came through 
> earlier this year.  We sure could use the rain.
> 
> Oh yeah, you've got all those big trees around, maybe you should up sticks...
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On October 3, 2016 8:39:51 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> shows this thing coming closer to the coast as a CAT2-3, 105mph+ winds 
>> and LOTS of rain.  Might be a mandatory evacuation from the islands 
>> which I will choose to follow or not.  Gonna get the boards out 
>> tomorrow, check the track on Wed then start prepping. Might have to
>> bail 
>> to upstate at some point.  If I stay I have plenty of beer, food, and 
>> shotgun shells and will get some gas for the genny tomorrow.
>> 
>> Will check with the binyahs to see what they think before deciding what
>> 
>> to do.  I think I know the answer.
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] VW macrobus

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s a pretty close approximation.  Just lose the skateboards.

Dan


> On Oct 4, 2016, at 12:35 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> ‎http://youtu.be/uWiYphJUS7Q
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Interesting

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes
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On October 3, 2016 9:32:50 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Aren't there E class diesels?
>
>On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I noticed the SLS reservoir.  I thought that was interesting.  I
>wonder if
>> it’s all four wheels or just the back?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Looks like it has ASD, or SLS (or both).  I wonder if it was
>> "federalized" when imported?
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>> > Max Dillon
>> > Charleston SC
>> > '87 300TD
>> > '95 E300
>> >
>> > On October 3, 2016 5:45:46 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-
>> giveaway/2708585-1993-euro-w124-e320-sportline-euro.html#post14996577
>> >>
>> >> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Classic CL

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Using another alias, offer $750.  Third and fourth alias offer less than $500.  
After a week or three, if they reach out to the $750 offer, tell them your new 
offer is $500.
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On October 3, 2016 9:31:58 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I offered them $500 and never got a reply.
>
>Because I used one of my burner accounts I could easily contact them as
>another interested buyer and then make a stupid offer.
>
>Dan
>
>
>
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Dead vacuum pump?  You're probably correct about other "repairs" to
>discover and fix.
>> -- 
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>> On October 3, 2016 10:38:37 AM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes
> wrote:
>>> I would be willing to guess the brake booster problem is more likely
>a
>>> vacuum leak. However, the capping off of the rear caliper smells of
>>> some serious kludging on someone's part, which makes it scary as you
>>> don't know the extent of their other "repairs".
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Glow Plugs not Glowing Update

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curley wrote:
> 
> Since the fuse blew, you could still have a grounded GP.

Yup.  Or just a "worn" fuse.  I have never overloaded one of those
fuses - but I've replace a lot of failed ones.

> Without a meter that has a range of 0-20 or 0-50 ohms or a finer
> scale, or a digital that can read in 10th of an ohm, it is very
> difficult to discriminate between a shorted GP and a good GP.

I'll repeat what I've written before about the best method I've
found for testing glow plugs.

I attached 12 AWG wire leads to an old automotive dash style
ammeter that reads -30 0 +30 Amps.

To use it, I pop the top off of the glow relay and unplug the
connector for the glow plugs. There is a contact for each glow plug
in this connector.  I clip one meter lead to the fused side of the
big, screw-in fuse and then touch each glowplug contact, one at a
time. The socket has pin numbers molded into it, and these numbers
correspond to the cylinder number.

This method tests the supply 12V, the wire, and the plug. When
cold, a good plug draws about 20A (Well, on my meter it point
to the mark for 20 amps. I have not calibrated or tested the
accuracy of that meter...) It will drop back to about 15A
after 8-10 seconds.

Once the one wire is connected to the fuse, DO NOT LET THE
OTHER WIRE TOUCH CHASSIS GROUND!!!  Or the big fuse will blow
and possibly so will your ammeter. :)

If the plug is bad, the current will usually be less.  If it is
shorted it will be much more.

If the wire or connectors are in poor shape, the current will
be less.

If the supply voltage is low, the current will be less.

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