Re: [MBZ] Borked the tilt roof

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I have also had the cable break at the sunroof, which makes for  
strange operation.


If the sunroof is level with the roof and not tilted, the cable end  
may have come adrift.  If it's sitting crooked, the lift angles are  
broken.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D in Indy (Lafayette, actually)

[clay via Mercedes]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5816129990.html

Pretty generic looking diesel

clay

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was looking at a Special Edition in Maryland this week.  Not a bad car, but 
> had potential rust issues that scared me:
> 
> http://annapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5846042795.html
> 
> The broken bumper strip is $135 new from MB, and I’m sure the fender could be 
> pulled out without too much effort.  It had a really good VMI from MBUSA, 
> too.  I had the guy down to $2500, and a flight to BWI was $70.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There was a nice one in Little Rock for $1600 I posted yesterday
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb,
>>> 
>>> Offer the guy $2000 and take the parts from his parts car, too.  If this 
>>> car wasn’t a 1-1/2 day drive away I would make him an offer….
>>> 
>>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/381813-sale-95-e300diesel-sedan.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[clay via Mercedes]

DAN!

A pox upon you for showing that.  Now I am going to obsess about needing to 
clean the intake of all the black ooze in Polei.  I have no idea if there is 
ooze, but your photos make me think there is now huge amounts of goo in there

clay



> On Nov 11, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, all!
> 
> Here are pictures of the job, unedited:
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/14vetuybnxpbmtg/AACq79E7urtf5Zpyg9V_u49ja?dl=0
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
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[MBZ] Invisible

[clay via Mercedes]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/5868594335.html

I wonder what the probability of not seeing this thing on the road is.   Would 
the first time you noticed it be when you T bone it?


clay 

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[MBZ] 560SL on Wheeler Dealers

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Watching a truly EXCELLENT Wheeler Dealers episode featuring a clean CA
1987 560SL in need of a lot of TLC: timing chain and tensioner, heater box,
dash, injectors, suspension, bumpers, springs, etc.  Mike is seen visiting
the Classic Center in LA and lo and behold - buying parts from Tom Hanson.
Awesome!
Very good primer on doing a bunch of jobs.

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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Part One

[clay via Mercedes]

The #6 sounds about standard.  SWMBA had 2 years between dealing with that bad 
glow plug, and the newly installed was just as hard to get out 24 month later 
as the original had been

clay


> On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just came in for a break.
> 
> Started at 8:30 with a hot engine.  Got manifold, lines, injectors and all 
> but one glow plug out so far.  Some observations:
> 
> Someone in a previous time was a ham-handed oaf.  I broke a 14mm flare nut 
> wrench removing the line nut on the number two injector line at the pump.  
> Holy mother of pearl was that thing tight!  I was really scared I wouldn’t be 
> able to get it loose.  Found similar none-torque wrench issues elsewhere, 
> such as on the injectors.  I would like to beat whoever did this on and about 
> the head and face with my torque wrench.
> 
> Glow plugs were strange.  Treating them carefully, I had soaked all with 
> Kroil several times this week, and again this morning before starting.  
> Number one was “crunchy”, but by carefully working it back and forth maybe 
> 20-30 degrees at a time it finally came out.  Number two was similar, but 3-5 
> were not a problem at all.
> 
> Number six is still in place.  It’s tight.  It’s not hard to get to on this 
> engine, but I only got maybe 10-20 degrees out of it before it put up some 
> serious resistance.  I soaked it with some more Kroil and took a break.  I’m 
> sure it will come out, but it might be the worst of the bunch.  I’m wondering 
> if it’s an original due to it’s complete difference in removal compared to 
> the others.
> 
> When I head back out I’ll take another stab at the number six injector, then 
> commence with reaming all of the injector holes.  When completed, it will be 
> new glow plugs with lots of anti-seize, rebuilt injectors with new heat 
> shields, then reassembly of everything with new gaskets, clips, pads, etc.  
> Hopefully I’ll be done in time for a late lunch.
> 
> Plenty of pictures will be posted and I’ll probably write a DIY for 
> BenzWorld, too.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Borked the tilt roof

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ah, you got it closed? Quick - weld it that way!

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:48 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Not sure just what went wrong.  It has been working very well for me
> before.  I lubed it recently, so it should have been very happy.  I was
> able to get the roof to at least seal level this morning.  No other
> functionality found.  Will have to take a look at the motor to see if that
> is behaving.  The cable tube is still attached in the trunk.
>
> clay
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding with spool gun

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On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:20:02 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> What MIG machine do you have?
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> --
>
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Borked the tilt roof

[clay via Mercedes]

Not sure just what went wrong.  It has been working very well for me before.  I 
lubed it recently, so it should have been very happy.  I was able to get the 
roof to at least seal level this morning.  No other functionality found.  Will 
have to take a look at the motor to see if that is behaving.  The cable tube is 
still attached in the trunk.

clay



> On Nov 11, 2016, at 4:23 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Might be as easy as adjusting the clutch tighter?
> 
> My 124 cars are smart enough that moving the switch the wrong way won't Bork 
> the sunroof.  Either it has broken lift levers in the tilt mechanism, the 
> clutch needs adjusting, or a seal has slipped and is jamming it.
> -- 
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> '95 E300
> 
> On November 11, 2016 12:01:58 AM EST, clay via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> I had the tilt roof up and then, being a dork, tried to close it by
>> sliding it back instead of making it down.  Now it is not moving. 
>> Motor makes noise.  Roof rear  is not level.  minor motion when button
>> is activated, but it is all jammed up somewhere.  How do I go about
>> unbuggering this mess?  1986 SDL, so same so W201 and W124.   I looked
>> online and there was a link to Okiebenz, but it came back 404
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D in Indy (Lafayette, actually)

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Yes.

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> On Nov 11, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 21:30:17 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I was looking at a Special Edition in Maryland this week.  Not a bad
>> car, but had potential rust issues that scared me:
>> 
>> http://annapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5846042795.html
>> 
>> The broken bumper strip is $135 new from MB, and I’m sure the fender
>> could be pulled out without too much effort.  It had a really good VMI
>> from MBUSA, too.  I had the guy down to $2500, and a flight to BWI was
>> $70.
> 
> He says, I6 3.0L NA OM616 Diesel
> 
> Does he mean OM606?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D in Indy (Lafayette, actually)

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 21:30:17 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I was looking at a Special Edition in Maryland this week.  Not a bad
> car, but had potential rust issues that scared me:
> 
> http://annapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5846042795.html
> 
> The broken bumper strip is $135 new from MB, and I’m sure the fender
> could be pulled out without too much effort.  It had a really good VMI
> from MBUSA, too.  I had the guy down to $2500, and a flight to BWI was
> $70.

He says, I6 3.0L NA OM616 Diesel

Does he mean OM606?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D in Indy (Lafayette, actually)

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Holy crap that is a fully loaded car. What are the rust issues?

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> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I was looking at a Special Edition in Maryland this week.  Not a bad car, but 
> had potential rust issues that scared me:
> 
> http://annapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5846042795.html
> 
> The broken bumper strip is $135 new from MB, and I’m sure the fender could be 
> pulled out without too much effort.  It had a really good VMI from MBUSA, 
> too.  I had the guy down to $2500, and a flight to BWI was $70.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There was a nice one in Little Rock for $1600 I posted yesterday
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaleb,
>>> 
>>> Offer the guy $2000 and take the parts from his parts car, too.  If this 
>>> car wasn’t a 1-1/2 day drive away I would make him an offer….
>>> 
>>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/381813-sale-95-e300diesel-sedan.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding with spool gun

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:20:02 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Phillip wins the prize - Yes, aluminum flakes off in the long tube from
> the machine and gets stuck in there. You use a spool gun to eliminate
> that problem when welding aluminum. That is the reason I chose the MIG
> machine I did - least expensive with spool gun capability. I have the
> spool gun, but haven't bought a tank of just argon yet to try it out.

What MIG machine do you have?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D in Indy (Lafayette, actually)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was looking at a Special Edition in Maryland this week.  Not a bad car, but 
had potential rust issues that scared me:

http://annapolis.craigslist.org/cto/5846042795.html

The broken bumper strip is $135 new from MB, and I’m sure the fender could be 
pulled out without too much effort.  It had a really good VMI from MBUSA, too.  
I had the guy down to $2500, and a flight to BWI was $70.

Dan

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There was a nice one in Little Rock for $1600 I posted yesterday
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Kaleb,
>> 
>> Offer the guy $2000 and take the parts from his parts car, too.  If this car 
>> wasn’t a 1-1/2 day drive away I would make him an offer….
>> 
>> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/381813-sale-95-e300diesel-sedan.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1995 E300D in Indy (Lafayette, actually)

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There was a nice one in Little Rock for $1600 I posted yesterday

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> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> 
> Offer the guy $2000 and take the parts from his parts car, too.  If this car 
> wasn’t a 1-1/2 day drive away I would make him an offer….
> 
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/381813-sale-95-e300diesel-sedan.html
> 
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[MBZ] 1995 E300D in Indy (Lafayette, actually)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Kaleb,

Offer the guy $2000 and take the parts from his parts car, too.  If this car 
wasn’t a 1-1/2 day drive away I would make him an offer….

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/381813-sale-95-e300diesel-sedan.html

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Now you have me wondering…. I’ll look tomorrow to be sure.  I know the linkage 
for the cruise control actuator was plastic on both ends, as I was surprised 
when I saw it.  I don’t recall the throttle linkage being plastic.

FWIW, I checked the EPC just briefly and on the OM603 they only sell the 
complete rod.  The W123 and W126 with the OM617 they sell the ends separately.

Thanks!

Dan




> On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, you can live without the cruise control.  I found out they were plastic 
> when one broke on the first SDL throttle.  Fortunately, it happened at home 
> so I was not stranded.  With so many years working with OM621 and 616, it 
> never even occurred to me they could cheap out and use plastic sockets on the 
> throttle linkages.
> 
>> Dan Penoff  November 11, 2016 at 6:19 PM
>> It did on the linkage for the cruise control linkage.  I’m pretty sure the 
>> throttle linkage was steel.
>> 
>> If anyone has the part number I would appreciate posting it here.  In the 
>> meantime I’ll do some searching and see if I can find it.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

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Our _typical_ mileage on the SDL was 27.  Best-ever was, IIRC, 32.  30 or
over was rare.

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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding with spool gun

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> aluminum flakes off in the long tube from the

machine and gets stuck in there. You use a spool gun to eliminate that
>

My understanding is that's it's less that the wire gets stuck than that the
aluminum scrapings contaminate the feed so that steel welding in the future
is compromised.  Both effects, really.

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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think (IIRC) that we got a bit over 26 on the highway with the '87 SDL.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Can’t wait to get a tank of fuel through it to see if there’s any effect
> on my mileage.  Right now in a 50-50 highway/city I’m averaging 21.4 mpg.
> Best mpg I’ve ever gotten was straight highway on the trip home from
> purchasing, which was 25.4 mpg.
>
> Dan
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding with spool gun

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Phillip wins the prize - Yes, aluminum flakes off in the long tube from the
machine and gets stuck in there. You use a spool gun to eliminate that
problem when welding aluminum. That is the reason I chose the MIG machine I
did - least expensive with spool gun capability. I have the spool gun, but
haven't bought a tank of just argon yet to try it out.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:06 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Craig wrote:
>>
>
> Is there any benefit of using a spool gun with a MIG welder?
>>
>
> I believe it is "required" for aluminum welding.  Maybe the
> aluminum filler wire won't push through the hose dependably.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I don't think the upper limit has been found yet, but other than pesky oil
leaks, the one I had with over 400k was still showing good condition in
your oil analysis results.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Larry T via Mercedes  wrote:

> Speaking of 90's W124's; my 91 300D 2.5 has 270K miles on it. A recent Oil
> Analysis shows it to be in excellent condition showing no problem areas.
>
> I'm wondering what the upper mileage limits are for these cars? My 91
> needs a paint job but the running gear and interior are great but I need to
> decide whether to invest in a paint job...
>
> What do ya'll think?
> LarryT
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 9:17:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?
>
> Payday Loan!
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 11/11/16 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yea, I would be all over it if I was not broke at the moment.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> >> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> That doesn't look half bad, you could probably beat him down to $1200
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 11/9/16 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> I'm in Little Rock till Friday
> >>>
> >>> 1995 Mercedes-Benz E300
> >>> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/5868476189.html
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Middle of the manifold?  Overpressure switch.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Electrical.  Smack dab in the middle of this picture:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pj8svt42bx6zyvh/DSC_1605.jpg?dl=0

I figured it to be for overboost.

Dan


> On Nov 11, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That pressure sender - a tube or electrical?  Electrical would be the 
> over-boost signal.  Tube would be pressure signal to the ALDA which increases 
> fuel with increased air from turbo.
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

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That pressure sender - a tube or electrical?  Electrical would be the 
over-boost signal.  Tube would be pressure signal to the ALDA which increases 
fuel with increased air from turbo.
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Re: [MBZ] Trump triumphs -- Media's 'primal scream' is heard round the world

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Gerry(?) wrote:
> "Subliminal stimuli...are any sensory stimuli below an individual's threshold 
> for conscious perception.

Nice!
Ya think?
Thanks!!
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Some additional observations:

Insides of manifold and crossover pipe were oily, but there wasn’t much 
buildup.  I didn’t see a lot of value in taking the time to clean them out.  I 
recently capped off the vacuum line to the EGR, too, but I don’t see that 
affecting the manifold significantly.

The big pressure sender on the manifold was completely plugged up with oily 
crud.  I unplugged it and cleaned it as best I could with solvent.  I need to 
look this up to see what the purpose is.  Overpressure, maybe?

Disassembled all the linkages, and brother, are there a lot of them(!) and 
lubed ball joints with ATF.

Replaced return hoses with new.  At first I was going to reuse the existing 
hoses, as they were put on the car in March, but as I started to reinstall them 
I realized that the rubber had already started to harden.  I had a meter of new 
hose ready to go and I’m glad I did.  It went on a lot easier than the old hose.

Replaced all of the plastic line clips and rubber pads that go below them.  
Money well spent, as most were brittle and broke upon removal and the rubber 
pads were rock hard.  They’re not expensive, either.

Kudos for Jaime for rebuilding my injectors and getting them within pretty 
tight tolerances.  I’m sure that’s the reason why the engine is so smooth.  I 
had some Monarch nozzles shipped to him and he did the assembly and pop testing 
and calibration.  Thanks, Jaime, you rock!

Glow plugs didn’t look too bad, but new Bosch glow plugs were only $5/each from 
Rock Auto, so it just seemed like a good thing to do while I had everything 
apart. Reaming out the GP bores wasn’t bad - there was only resistance in a 
couple of them, and they reamed out nicely.

I’ve got a nice road trip over to Pinellas County tomorrow morning that will 
allow me to get things up to speed for a bit and break things in.  I’ll report 
back any observations at that time if I notice anything.

Dan







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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, all!

Here are pictures of the job, unedited:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/14vetuybnxpbmtg/AACq79E7urtf5Zpyg9V_u49ja?dl=0

Enjoy!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Strong work

--FT


On 11/11/16 2:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Just got back from a test drive.

Sweet!  Idles better or as smoothly as any of my vergassers.  Almost no smoke 
on hard acceleration.  Driving at speed seems smoother as well.

Thanks to all who have assisted with this in various forms.  Your help is 
greatly appreciated.

Heck of a birthday present for me, too.

Can’t wait to get a tank of fuel through it to see if there’s any effect on my 
mileage.  Right now in a 50-50 highway/city I’m averaging 21.4 mpg.  Best mpg 
I’ve ever gotten was straight highway on the trip home from purchasing, which 
was 25.4 mpg.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding with spool gun

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Craig wrote:



Is there any benefit of using a spool gun with a MIG welder?


I believe it is "required" for aluminum welding.  Maybe the
aluminum filler wire won't push through the hose dependably.

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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dan.

Nicely done!

Fred.


Fred Moir.
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From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 11 November 2016 14:56
To: Mercedes List
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

Just got back from a test drive.

Sweet!  Idles better or as smoothly as any of my vergassers.  Almost no smoke 
on hard acceleration.  Driving at speed seems smoother as well.

Thanks to all who have assisted with this in various forms.  Your help is 
greatly appreciated.

Heck of a birthday present for me, too.

Can't wait to get a tank of fuel through it to see if there's any effect on my 
mileage.  Right now in a 50-50 highway/city I'm averaging 21.4 mpg.  Best mpg 
I've ever gotten was straight highway on the trip home from purchasing, which 
was 25.4 mpg.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Complete!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just got back from a test drive.

Sweet!  Idles better or as smoothly as any of my vergassers.  Almost no smoke 
on hard acceleration.  Driving at speed seems smoother as well.

Thanks to all who have assisted with this in various forms.  Your help is 
greatly appreciated.

Heck of a birthday present for me, too.

Can’t wait to get a tank of fuel through it to see if there’s any effect on my 
mileage.  Right now in a 50-50 highway/city I’m averaging 21.4 mpg.  Best mpg 
I’ve ever gotten was straight highway on the trip home from purchasing, which 
was 25.4 mpg.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] MIG welding with spool gun

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Not sure how to answer that to your satisfaction.

Metal Inert Gas [MIG] welders, commonly known as "wire feed welders" have a
spool gun which feeds weld metal wire into the Inert gas envelope at the
gun tip.

The wire is both filler wire and electrode.

Perhaps, you were thinking TIG welder?  Tungsten Inert Gas welders use a
Tungsten rod as the electrode, which heats the weld puddle at the join line
of the parts being welded and the filler metal is fed by hand [two handed
operation] to build the weld bead.

The "inert gas" envelope used in both MIG and TIG welders is commonly
Argon, or a mixture of Carbon Dioxide and Argon, it's purpose is to shield
the active weld puddle from contamination by reaction with the atmosphere.

The alternate method used by some MIG welders is to use a "Flux Core Wire"
which is weld wire infused with welding flux intended to provide a shield
at the weld puddle to block contamination of the weld..  Flux Core Wire is,
in my experience, far less than perfect.. it does not yield consistent weld
beads, and less than "pretty" weld joints.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Is there any benefit of using a spool gun with a MIG welder?
>
>
>
> Craig
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[MBZ] MIG welding with spool gun

[Craig via Mercedes]

Is there any benefit of using a spool gun with a MIG welder?



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Larry  my 90 300D  2.5t has 268k  & runs perfectly with original engine &
trans on Mobil 1. Fortunately body is nice. I just traded it to a friend
but we expect 400k

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Nov 11, 2016 10:58 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Larry,
>
> Arguably your '91 300D is one of the best, I'd say put your cash into
> keeping that car going.  I think you can easily get to 500k if you keep up
> with maintenance and repairs.  My '87 wagon is now up to about 362k miles,
> no sign of quitting.  '95 E300 with OM606 is up to about 371k.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Larry T via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Speaking of 90's W124's; my 91 300D 2.5 has 270K miles on it. A recent
> Oil
> > Analysis shows it to be in excellent condition showing no problem areas.
> >
> > I'm wondering what the upper mileage limits are for these cars? My 91
> > needs a paint job but the running gear and interior are great but I need
> to
> > decide whether to invest in a paint job...
> >
> > What do ya'll think?
> > LarryT
> >
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[MBZ] OT: Political logos, why didn't anybody come up with this before the election?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

This should have been made into a bumper sticker.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161110/d20593ccd102f5d08a3171a5c10f57d5.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] 450SL and 250SEC on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I was being subjective, but basically we are in agreement.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My buddy has an ivory/dk brown 450SL in good shape like that too.  I would
> not say it is boring but it is not particularly exciting either.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 11/11/16 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> 250 SE coupe - some pluses and minuses.  Currently at $9 K.  Should stay
>> below $15 or someone is overpaying.
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-280se-
>> coupe-w111-chassis/
>>
>> 1979 450 SL - concours ready, however BORING.  May eclipse $10K
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-r107-450sl-2/
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Re: [MBZ] 450SL and 250SEC on BAT

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My buddy has an ivory/dk brown 450SL in good shape like that too.  I 
would not say it is boring but it is not particularly exciting either.


--FT


On 11/11/16 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

250 SE coupe - some pluses and minuses.  Currently at $9 K.  Should stay
below $15 or someone is overpaying.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-280se-coupe-w111-chassis/

1979 450 SL - concours ready, however BORING.  May eclipse $10K
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-r107-450sl-2/
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[MBZ] 450SL and 250SEC on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

250 SE coupe - some pluses and minuses.  Currently at $9 K.  Should stay
below $15 or someone is overpaying.
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-mercedes-benz-280se-coupe-w111-chassis/

1979 450 SL - concours ready, however BORING.  May eclipse $10K
http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-r107-450sl-2/
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Part Two

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Those plastic sleeves are very rare now, they get brittle and break, extra 
points for keeping those for the concurs grading...
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Veterans' Day

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max, Dan, and All.

Thanks.

I also salute all of those who gave their all for us and to those still paying.

Note. I spent most of my time busy, bored or scared spitless.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
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Sent: 11 November 2016 10:55
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Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Veterans' Day

Thanks Tim and Dan and all the rest whom I know are thinking warm thoughts.

Fellow Veterans (foreign allies included - that's you Fred!) - SALUTE!!!

Chipotle has BOGO on burritos for Military, I'm going to roll the dice and
hope all those military vaccinations will protect me from whatever microbes
they may be serving on the side...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Absolutely.  Deepest thanks to all of you for keeping our country free and
> safe.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Part Two

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, injectors came out first for just that reason….

#6 came out after a little soaking time.  It wasn’t happy about it, but with a 
lot of back and forthing it eventually came out.

Just reamed the glow plug bores.  Nothing significant, but messy.  Reamed them 
twice then used a lint free swab to get as much of the grease and remaining 
crud out of the prechamber.

Just took the heat shields out, too.

Interesting, as I’ve never done this on an OM603, just an OM617 - there are 
plastic “sleeves” in the injector bores.  Not sure what they’re for other than 
maybe to provide a thermal break.  I took them out and will be cleaning them 
with some soap and a brush as they’re dirty.  It’s the Martha in me…

Once they’re done the injectors will go in and the reassembly will commence.  
Had to come in and get the torque values for everything as I begin to 
reassemble….

Thanks!

Dan


> On Nov 11, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you've got that #6 injector out, rig a plastic tube to dribble some
> Kroil on the inside end of the glow plug, and keep working it slowly back
> and forth.
> 
> The OM603 engines are NOT known for glow plugs breaking off like the OM606,
> but you don't want to be the first!
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Just came in for a break.
>> 
>> Started at 8:30 with a hot engine.  Got manifold, lines, injectors and all
>> but one glow plug out so far.  Some observations:
>> 
>> Someone in a previous time was a ham-handed oaf.  I broke a 14mm flare nut
>> wrench removing the line nut on the number two injector line at the pump.
>> Holy mother of pearl was that thing tight!  I was really scared I wouldn’t
>> be able to get it loose.  Found similar none-torque wrench issues
>> elsewhere, such as on the injectors.  I would like to beat whoever did this
>> on and about the head and face with my torque wrench.
>> 
>> Glow plugs were strange.  Treating them carefully, I had soaked all with
>> Kroil several times this week, and again this morning before starting.
>> Number one was “crunchy”, but by carefully working it back and forth maybe
>> 20-30 degrees at a time it finally came out.  Number two was similar, but
>> 3-5 were not a problem at all.
>> 
>> Number six is still in place.  It’s tight.  It’s not hard to get to on
>> this engine, but I only got maybe 10-20 degrees out of it before it put up
>> some serious resistance.  I soaked it with some more Kroil and took a
>> break.  I’m sure it will come out, but it might be the worst of the bunch.
>> I’m wondering if it’s an original due to it’s complete difference in
>> removal compared to the others.
>> 
>> When I head back out I’ll take another stab at the number six injector,
>> then commence with reaming all of the injector holes.  When completed, it
>> will be new glow plugs with lots of anti-seize, rebuilt injectors with new
>> heat shields, then reassembly of everything with new gaskets, clips, pads,
>> etc.  Hopefully I’ll be done in time for a late lunch.
>> 
>> Plenty of pictures will be posted and I’ll probably write a DIY for
>> BenzWorld, too.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Larry,

Arguably your '91 300D is one of the best, I'd say put your cash into
keeping that car going.  I think you can easily get to 500k if you keep up
with maintenance and repairs.  My '87 wagon is now up to about 362k miles,
no sign of quitting.  '95 E300 with OM606 is up to about 371k.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Larry T via Mercedes  wrote:

> Speaking of 90's W124's; my 91 300D 2.5 has 270K miles on it. A recent Oil
> Analysis shows it to be in excellent condition showing no problem areas.
>
> I'm wondering what the upper mileage limits are for these cars? My 91
> needs a paint job but the running gear and interior are great but I need to
> decide whether to invest in a paint job...
>
> What do ya'll think?
> LarryT
>
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Re: [MBZ] Veterans' Day

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Tim and Dan and all the rest whom I know are thinking warm thoughts.

Fellow Veterans (foreign allies included - that's you Fred!) - SALUTE!!!

Chipotle has BOGO on burritos for Military, I'm going to roll the dice and
hope all those military vaccinations will protect me from whatever microbes
they may be serving on the side...

-
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> Absolutely.  Deepest thanks to all of you for keeping our country free and
> safe.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much for your willingness to serve us all.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Part One

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If you've got that #6 injector out, rig a plastic tube to dribble some
Kroil on the inside end of the glow plug, and keep working it slowly back
and forth.

The OM603 engines are NOT known for glow plugs breaking off like the OM606,
but you don't want to be the first!

-
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On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just came in for a break.
>
> Started at 8:30 with a hot engine.  Got manifold, lines, injectors and all
> but one glow plug out so far.  Some observations:
>
> Someone in a previous time was a ham-handed oaf.  I broke a 14mm flare nut
> wrench removing the line nut on the number two injector line at the pump.
> Holy mother of pearl was that thing tight!  I was really scared I wouldn’t
> be able to get it loose.  Found similar none-torque wrench issues
> elsewhere, such as on the injectors.  I would like to beat whoever did this
> on and about the head and face with my torque wrench.
>
> Glow plugs were strange.  Treating them carefully, I had soaked all with
> Kroil several times this week, and again this morning before starting.
> Number one was “crunchy”, but by carefully working it back and forth maybe
> 20-30 degrees at a time it finally came out.  Number two was similar, but
> 3-5 were not a problem at all.
>
> Number six is still in place.  It’s tight.  It’s not hard to get to on
> this engine, but I only got maybe 10-20 degrees out of it before it put up
> some serious resistance.  I soaked it with some more Kroil and took a
> break.  I’m sure it will come out, but it might be the worst of the bunch.
> I’m wondering if it’s an original due to it’s complete difference in
> removal compared to the others.
>
> When I head back out I’ll take another stab at the number six injector,
> then commence with reaming all of the injector holes.  When completed, it
> will be new glow plugs with lots of anti-seize, rebuilt injectors with new
> heat shields, then reassembly of everything with new gaskets, clips, pads,
> etc.  Hopefully I’ll be done in time for a late lunch.
>
> Plenty of pictures will be posted and I’ll probably write a DIY for
> BenzWorld, too.
>
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[MBZ] Injector and Glow Plug Swap, Part One

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just came in for a break.

Started at 8:30 with a hot engine.  Got manifold, lines, injectors and all but 
one glow plug out so far.  Some observations:

Someone in a previous time was a ham-handed oaf.  I broke a 14mm flare nut 
wrench removing the line nut on the number two injector line at the pump.  Holy 
mother of pearl was that thing tight!  I was really scared I wouldn’t be able 
to get it loose.  Found similar none-torque wrench issues elsewhere, such as on 
the injectors.  I would like to beat whoever did this on and about the head and 
face with my torque wrench.

Glow plugs were strange.  Treating them carefully, I had soaked all with Kroil 
several times this week, and again this morning before starting.  Number one 
was “crunchy”, but by carefully working it back and forth maybe 20-30 degrees 
at a time it finally came out.  Number two was similar, but 3-5 were not a 
problem at all.

Number six is still in place.  It’s tight.  It’s not hard to get to on this 
engine, but I only got maybe 10-20 degrees out of it before it put up some 
serious resistance.  I soaked it with some more Kroil and took a break.  I’m 
sure it will come out, but it might be the worst of the bunch.  I’m wondering 
if it’s an original due to it’s complete difference in removal compared to the 
others.

When I head back out I’ll take another stab at the number six injector, then 
commence with reaming all of the injector holes.  When completed, it will be 
new glow plugs with lots of anti-seize, rebuilt injectors with new heat 
shields, then reassembly of everything with new gaskets, clips, pads, etc.  
Hopefully I’ll be done in time for a late lunch.

Plenty of pictures will be posted and I’ll probably write a DIY for BenzWorld, 
too.

Dan
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[MBZ] OT for today

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGorjBVag0I

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Re: [MBZ] Veterans' Day

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Absolutely.  Deepest thanks to all of you for keeping our country free and safe.

Dan

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Tim Crone via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much for your willingness to serve us all.
> 
> Best,
> Tim
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[MBZ] Veterans' Day

[Tim Crone via Mercedes]

Thank you very much for your willingness to serve us all.

Best,
Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Those aren't the million-mile engines Mercedes is known for

--FT


On 11/11/16 9:42 AM, Larry T wrote:
Speaking of 90's W124's; my 91 300D 2.5 has 270K miles on it.  A 
recent Oil Analysis shows it to be in excellent condition showing no 
problem areas.


I'm wondering what the upper mileage limits are for these cars?  My 91 
needs a paint job but the running gear and interior are great but I 
need to decide whether to invest in a paint job...


What do ya'll think?
LarryT


*From: *"Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
*To: *mercedes@okiebenz.com
*Cc: *"Floyd Thursby" 
*Sent: *Friday, November 11, 2016 9:17:03 AM
*Subject: *Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

Payday Loan!

--FT


On 11/11/16 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Yea, I would be all over it if I was not broke at the moment.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

>>
>> That doesn't look half bad, you could probably beat him down to $1200
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>>> On 11/9/16 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I'm in Little Rock till Friday
>>>
>>> 1995 Mercedes-Benz E300
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>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Comments about Possible Purchase

[Larry T via Mercedes]

True. If I had followed that advice we would have never discovered our present 
91 300D 2.5 which we love. Just shows you cannot follow rules hard and fast. 
LarryT 

- Original Message -

From: "Craig via Mercedes"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Cc: "Craig"  
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 12:04:38 AM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Comments about Possible Purchase 

On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:32:18 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

> Larry, buy the youngest car you can, avoid the 90's C & E class. 
> Quality, especially electronics, hit a low point. 

But you also include many W124s in the avoid area that way. 


Craig 

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

[Larry T via Mercedes]

Speaking of 90's W124's; my 91 300D 2.5 has 270K miles on it. A recent Oil 
Analysis shows it to be in excellent condition showing no problem areas. 

I'm wondering what the upper mileage limits are for these cars? My 91 needs a 
paint job but the running gear and interior are great but I need to decide 
whether to invest in a paint job... 

What do ya'll think? 
LarryT 

- Original Message -

From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes"  
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: "Floyd Thursby"  
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 9:17:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this? 

Payday Loan! 

--FT 


On 11/11/16 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: 
> Yea, I would be all over it if I was not broke at the moment. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> That doesn't look half bad, you could probably beat him down to $1200 
>> 
>> --FT 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/9/16 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: 
>>> I'm in Little Rock till Friday 
>>> 
>>> 1995 Mercedes-Benz E300 
>>> http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/5868476189.html 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Comments about Possible Purchase

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I have never had a problem with the wiring on a 2.5. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 11, 2016 at 12:04 AM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:32:18 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Larry, buy the youngest car you can, avoid the 90's C & E class.
>>> Quality, especially electronics, hit a low point.
>> 
>> But you also include many W124s in the avoid area that way.
> 
> Some of the first biodegradable wiring harnesses were in the W124 2.5, weren't
> they?
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Re: [MBZ] Comments about Possible Purchase

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> On November 11, 2016 at 12:04 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:32:18 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Larry, buy the youngest car you can, avoid the 90's C & E class.
> > Quality, especially electronics, hit a low point.
> 
> But you also include many W124s in the avoid area that way.

Some of the first biodegradable wiring harnesses were in the W124 2.5, weren't
they?

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

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Somebody want to loan me some money till I get paid?

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> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Payday Loan!
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 11/11/16 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yea, I would be all over it if I was not broke at the moment.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That doesn't look half bad, you could probably beat him down to $1200
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/9/16 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 I'm in Little Rock till Friday
 
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 http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/5868476189.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

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Payday Loan!

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On 11/11/16 9:13 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Yea, I would be all over it if I was not broke at the moment.

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

That doesn't look half bad, you could probably beat him down to $1200

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On 11/9/16 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I'm in Little Rock till Friday

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

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Yea, I would be all over it if I was not broke at the moment.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That doesn't look half bad, you could probably beat him down to $1200
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 11/9/16 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this?

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That doesn't look half bad, you could probably beat him down to $1200

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On 11/9/16 8:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I'm in Little Rock till Friday

1995 Mercedes-Benz E300
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Re: [MBZ] The coming poop powered cars

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This microaggression has sent me to my safe space for trauma counseling

--FT, the melting snowflake whose participation trophy is failing him


On 11/9/16 8:39 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Mao,

It's liberal code speak for "The EPA f@)*$$ed us again"...

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


clay wrote:

But the Priapus drivers can use all the poo fuel from ghetto folk who

have no cars and get lots of miles and eco cred

Here is a term heard online the other day - ecosexuality -
Ecosexuality is a term used to indicate the ecological entanglements
of human sexuality.
Oh, well.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Comments about Possible Purchase

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Oh, and as with S123/124, the wagons have rear SLS. 
And the 210 SLS fluid is pretty much unique to the 210, you don't use 123 fluid
in it. 
When these cars were new, MBZ had figured out that more transmission failures
during the warranty period were caused by people getting dirt on the dipstick
than by running out of fluid, so they did away with the dipstick and claimed the
transmissions were 'sealed for life'. Well, if you expect to get 200-400k on a
transmission, you aren't going to get there on the original fluid. MBZ later
came out with a fluid change schedule. 
Some of these very low mile, possibly city, cars you're looking at might have
done more shifting than my 260k highway / rural car, and they might still have
the original fluid inside. Or they might be garage queens that only come out for
family vacations and other occasions that need AWD or station wagons. 
One owner vehicles serviced by MBZ dealers are always a plus. 

I'm still maybe kicking myself for not buying a 180k ML350 that was a nice dark
shade of green, one owner, and dealer serviced for the first 100k. The last few
years, they'd been taking it to Instant Oil Change every 10-12k, probably
whenever the service reminder light came on. I hope IOC used the right oil and
fleece filters for that drain schedule. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Comments about Possible Purchase

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

W210s have their upper spring mounts on the body, lower mount in the middle of
the lower control arm. 

4matic puts a drive shaft right through the middle of the spring, so the spring
had to be moved. They put the 4matic springs around the shocks, making the
shocks more expensive but getting rid of the problem of the spring perch falling
off the body. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Borked the tilt roof

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Broken lift angles is the main suspect here.

Not a huge job, but a pain.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Borked the tilt roof

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Might be as easy as adjusting the clutch tighter?

My 124 cars are smart enough that moving the switch the wrong way won't Bork 
the sunroof.  Either it has broken lift levers in the tilt mechanism, the 
clutch needs adjusting, or a seal has slipped and is jamming it.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 11, 2016 12:01:58 AM EST, clay via Mercedes  
wrote:
>I had the tilt roof up and then, being a dork, tried to close it by
>sliding it back instead of making it down.  Now it is not moving. 
>Motor makes noise.  Roof rear  is not level.  minor motion when button
>is activated, but it is all jammed up somewhere.  How do I go about
>unbuggering this mess?  1986 SDL, so same so W201 and W124.   I looked
>online and there was a link to Okiebenz, but it came back 404
>
>clay 
>
>2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>1986 SDL - Polei
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>retired models-
>1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] Comments about Possible Purchase

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I should have said the W210 E class, the W202 C class.
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'95 E300

On November 11, 2016 12:04:38 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Nov 2016 21:32:18 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> Larry, buy the youngest car you can, avoid the 90's C & E class.
>> Quality, especially electronics, hit a low point.
>
>But you also include many W124s in the avoid area that way.
>
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>Craig
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