Re: [MBZ] OT Mac Pro

[clay via Mercedes]

I much prefer a larger case than some oversize beer can.  I am not sure the 
beer cans upgrade as well as the pro bodies.  Stacks of ram, buckets of drives, 
built in optical drives and swappable components.

clay




> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seems the trash can Mac pro is on the way out.  No clue what the new one will 
> look like.
> 
> https://blog.macsales.com/40446-apple-updates-mac-pro-confirms-new-modular-model-in-the-works?
> 
> I think that is a good thing.   The only thing I like about it was the design 
>  for cooling air to take advantage and flow the flow of natural convection.
> 
> The prior big heavy aluminum cases were much more adaptable.
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Cool! Does he still drive it?
Gerry

> My dad owns the '48 Hudson that belonged to his grandmother, that he learned 
> to drive - without adult help our supervision - when he was about 12.
> Max Dillon
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> On April 7, 2017 11:45:18 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
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> >If I were buying a 1950s car and planned to drive it, I would buy a
> >1951-54  Hudson Hornet and drive it on long trips since it was the
> >smoothest riding and best handling car I've ever driven. Its repair
> >record was very good as well.
> >Show room quality models nowadays sell for around $30,000.
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Hornet
> >
> >~~~
> >> And who would buy the Packard with the expectation of using it as a
> >daily driver?  Far cooler, much less expensive than the wagon in many
> >ways.
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay
> >cooler car. You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car show
> >nobody is going to look at the BMW...
> >> > -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

My dad owns the '48 Hudson that belonged to his grandmother, that he learned to 
drive - without adult help our supervision - when he was about 12.
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On April 7, 2017 11:45:18 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>If I were buying a 1950s car and planned to drive it, I would buy a
>1951-54  Hudson Hornet and drive it on long trips since it was the
>smoothest riding and best handling car I've ever driven. Its repair
>record was very good as well.
>Show room quality models nowadays sell for around $30,000.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Hornet
>
>~~~
>> And who would buy the Packard with the expectation of using it as a
>daily driver?  Far cooler, much less expensive than the wagon in many
>ways.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> > On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay
>cooler car. You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car show
>nobody is going to look at the BMW...
>> > -Curt
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

If I were buying a 1950s car and planned to drive it, I would buy a 1951-54  
Hudson Hornet and drive it on long trips since it was the smoothest riding and 
best handling car I've ever driven. Its repair record was very good as well.
Show room quality models nowadays sell for around $30,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_Hornet

~~~
> And who would buy the Packard with the expectation of using it as a daily 
> driver?  Far cooler, much less expensive than the wagon in many ways.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay cooler 
> > car. You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car show nobody is 
> > going to look at the BMW...
> > -Curt
> > 
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[MBZ] UPDATE on : #*&@ Car payment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Below is the post from when I installed the new exhaust system last fall 
on the 240D.  The car has only gone 300-400  miles and a good bit of 
that was after the new pipe broke in front of the resonator in March.  
It was all Bosal.  The broken resonator pipe says it was made in czech 
republic.  The KEY phrase in the original post is that the new pipe is 
.5mm thinner wall than the original pipe.  Thus the breakage.  They 
saved what? 20¢?  Something less than a dollar by cheaping out on the pipe!


If you need new exhaust parts, the Bosal of now is not the Bosal of old.

I put the second new resonator on today.  Looks like it is going to cost 
me $25 to send the broken one back.   This time I put a bandaid between 
the front of the resonator pipe and the back of the front pipe to absorb 
some of the vibration.  I hope that will help the new pipe last a few 
more than 300 miles.



*From:* Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
*Date:* August 18, 2016 at 11:11 AM
*To:* Mercedes_Discussion_List 
*Subject:* #*&@ Car payment
For more than 20 years I  have been putting bandaids on the exhaust 
pipe of the 240D from Dallas (81).   It has so many patches fore and 
aft that the section under the passenger compartment keeps twisting 
down between the bandaids.  I have been tying it up with wire, and the 
wire keeps breaking.  The front pipe is now rusted off up to the bend 
from down to back.  So, last week when the wire broke again, I sighed 
deep, and figured maybe it was time to make a car payment.


So I ordered  a new Bosal exhaust pipe and resonator section from 
crock auto.  It came in Tuesday, and I put it on yesterday.   The 
resonator and muffler were ok, but I had to saw off the good pipe 
between the muffler and resonator to put the new pipe and resonator in 
front of the muffler.  The only problem was that the old and new pipes 
were the same size, and I had no wheels to go to flaps to borrow the 
swedge tool.  But I had a 4" piece on the old pipe as one of the 
patches that went over both pipes.   I salvaged it off the old pipe, 
it was crushed somewhat from the clamp, so I  had to beat on it to 
flatten the sidewall and expand it enough it would slide over both 
pipes.  In this process, I found out the MB pipe was maybe half a mm 
larger than the Bosal pipe.  I believe the old pipes from  behind the 
down pipe are original.  The Resonator has the MB star and number 
embossed.  I think the down pipe was replaced before we got it was 
replaced with a thin aftermarket pipe (that caused it to keep rusting 
away)


Now in my shed I have a good muffler off the other 240D, and the MB 
resonator off this car, if anyone needs either.


Crock auto does sell the complete kit.  On the other 240D, I put on 
the whole system, even though the muffler was ok.


Total car payment was about $160.  So this one was cheaper than the 
prior one when I put on rotors and calipers.





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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac Pro

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Why turn it off?  Put it to sleep instead, and wake it with the keyboard.
I rarely need the button on any Mac.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Avoid the A1050 and related models (which are getting a bit long in the tooth 
anyway) -- the NVidia chip has a distressing tendency to crack loose from the 
logic board.  This seems to be an issue with the chip itself, it does the same 
thing on contemporary video cards and PlayStations.  The fix is, of course, to 
have someone reflow the chip with better solder, but typically it will not last.

I personally suspect the chip flexes with heat, and failure is more or less 
certain with use.  Not helped at all by Apple not turning the fans on until the 
chip is hot enough to boil water, which is another issue, those aluminum case 
'books run HOT unless you get aftermarket software to turn the damned fans on 
before your skin burns.  

Later ones are fine.  Apple, whatever else you think about them, does make top 
quality machines -- I'm still using my TI book circa 03 for dragging to work.  
No internet access to speak of, very few web sites will run on those ancient 
versions of Safari or Firefox, but for personal use it's great.  Needs are 
replacement logic board battery I have but have not managed to get installed, 
but it works fine.

Peter
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Re: [MBZ] test?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 18:36:20 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Your email regarding Delo oil arrived twice.

Yup, I sent it twice, since it didn't come through the first time.
Now, much later, both have come through.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac Pro

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Power button is a momentary pushbutton.  A power bar won’t do anything.  And 
you definitely don’t want to be shutting it down by turning off he pwer to it…

-D


> On Apr 7, 2017, at 4:44 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Get a power bar and plug it into that. Put the power bar somewhere more 
> accessible.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 07/04/2017 3:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I've got a trashcan, its a nice computer if all you need is a computer, if 
>> you need to add anything to it its a PITA. Its realy quiet which is 
>> great.
>> Whoever decided the power button should be right above the power cord should 
>> be slapped around. Obviously the idea was you should never shut it off but 
>> once you hang a bunch of accessories it gets hard to get to the power 
>> button. My current desk wants the computers underneath and its really 
>> annoying to have to basically crawl under the desk to turn the computer on. 
>> This summer I plan on a new desk which will eliminate that problem.
>> -Curt
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] test?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Your email regarding Delo oil arrived twice.
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On April 7, 2017 5:24:48 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>test?
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Re: [MBZ] test?

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

pass

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig via 
Mercedes
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 2:25 PM
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Cc: Craig
Subject: [MBZ] test?

test?

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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

But you can drive the BMW as it would be essentially like a new car.
The Packard is nice but driving it daily would likely wear thin pretty 
quick unless you are a glutton for punishment.
That is the nice thing about the 70's and 80's MB. They remain quite 
modern and drive like a late model car. My old diesel is a bit noisy but 
apart from that, it is good. I don't feel like I am driving an antique 
although I suppose I am. I suggest the Packard would feel like an antique.


RB


On 07/04/2017 2:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

There are more people with stupid money who think the BMW is worth more.

To the "IN" society, a rare or special modern BMW means something.  A 
packard does not.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
April 7, 2017 at 1:00 PM
Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay 
cooler car. You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car 
show nobody is going to look at the BMW...

-Curt


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[MBZ] test?

[Craig via Mercedes]

test?

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Re: [MBZ] Delo 400 Changes?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 18:58:43 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I was thinking along the same lines as Craig except a thought occurred
> to me, maybe the existing oil met the new spec without any changes.
> Remember its always "meets or exceeds" perhaps exceeding the old spec
> made it already ready for the new one in which case no new SKU because
> its the same stuff... -Curt

Yes, that is a possibility.

See http://dieseloilmatters.com/ for more information.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Delo 400 Changes?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 18:58:43 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I was thinking along the same lines as Craig except a thought occurred
> to me, maybe the existing oil met the new spec without any changes.
> Remember its always "meets or exceeds" perhaps exceeding the old spec
> made it already ready for the new one in which case no new SKU because
> its the same stuff... -Curt

Yes, that is a possibility.

See http://dieseloilmatters.com/ for more information.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've got one of those folding head ratchets that would probably work perfect 
but it came without the screw that holds the head on. I found one that is close 
but it doesn't put enough pressure on so the head flops around, not good when 
you're trying to keep the tensioner from crushing your fingers.
Thats one of those things that I'll fix when I remember to take the screw with 
me to the hardware store and find the right thing...
-Curt


  From: Randy Bennell 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 4:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change
   
Just get the SnapOn truck to stop by and do it up right.

RB

On 07/04/2017 3:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> LOL.
> I got my long 1/2" breaker bar in a pile of tools a guy gave me which is by 
> far my favorite way to get tools. For this job however I think a ratchet is 
> preferable as theres a lot of stuff you can run into. The ratchet allows you 
> to easily reposition. My littlest bottle jack's handle works well as a 
> cheater. It wouldn't hold up to high pressure applications but in this case 
> its plenty.
> -Curt
>



   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Just get the SnapOn truck to stop by and do it up right.

RB

On 07/04/2017 3:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

LOL.
I got my long 1/2" breaker bar in a pile of tools a guy gave me which is by far 
my favorite way to get tools. For this job however I think a ratchet is preferable 
as theres a lot of stuff you can run into. The ratchet allows you to easily 
reposition. My littlest bottle jack's handle works well as a cheater. It wouldn't 
hold up to high pressure applications but in this case its plenty.
-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac Pro

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Get a power bar and plug it into that. Put the power bar somewhere more 
accessible.


RB

On 07/04/2017 3:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've got a trashcan, its a nice computer if all you need is a computer, if you 
need to add anything to it its a PITA. Its realy quiet which is great.
Whoever decided the power button should be right above the power cord should be 
slapped around. Obviously the idea was you should never shut it off but once 
you hang a bunch of accessories it gets hard to get to the power button. My 
current desk wants the computers underneath and its really annoying to have to 
basically crawl under the desk to turn the computer on. This summer I plan on a 
new desk which will eliminate that problem.
-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its not the price its the having of older tools. My breaker bar has some miles 
on it, it feels better in the hand for having some wear.
I was tempted to write that its "broken in" but didn't want to give you the 
laugh line.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond  
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 4:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change
   
cheapa$$ yankee

no cure!


   Curt Raymond  April 7, 2017 at 3:10 PM  LOL.
I got my long 1/2" breaker bar in a pile of tools a guy gave me which is by far 
my favorite way to get tools. For this job however I think a ratchet is 
preferable as theres a lot of stuff you can run into. The ratchet allows you to 
easily reposition. My littlest bottle jack's handle works well as a cheater. It 
wouldn't hold up to high pressure applications but in this case its plenty.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 4:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change
  
HF can cure that.  They have some nice shiny chrome long breaker bars in 
3 sizes.

Now you know why you NEED it!
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> April 7, 2017 at 2:43 PM
> This one was pretty strong, I put an 18" jack handle on the end of a 
> socket. I don't have a 3/8" breaker bar, my 1/2" with adapter was too 
> big, no place to swing it.
> -Curt

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  Curley McLain  April 7, 2017 at 3:03 PM  
HF can cure that.  They have some nice shiny chrome long breaker bars in 3 
sizes.    

Now you know why you NEED it!

   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  April 7, 2017 at 2:43 PM  This one was pretty 
strong, I put an 18" jack handle on the end of a socket. I don't have a 3/8" 
breaker bar, my 1/2" with adapter was too big, no place to swing it.
-Curt

 From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 3:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change
 
That is how they work on my trucks too, they don't have too much spring 
force so not too hard.  A long breaker bar works best.

--FT


   Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  April 7, 2017 at 2:20 PM  That is how they work 
on my trucks too, they don't have too much spring force so not too hard.  A 
long breaker bar works best.

--FT




   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  April 7, 2017 at 2:13 PM  The belt on our Dodge 
pickup was getting squeaky I got a replacement and then stared blankly at the 
tensioner. Normally a big wrench loosens 'em but not this one.
Turns out you use a 3/8" ratchet with a cheater. The body of the tensioner has 
a square cut in it. Works slicker than snot.
Onliest downside is as always getting the belt routed all around. This thing 
has a massive fan shroud. My forearms got pretty chewed up...
Woulda been pretty quick but the dope at Autozone sold me the wrong belt the 
first time, that one had to be shipped in from afar, they had the correct one 
there on the shelf and it was $6 cheaper than the one they ordered in...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

LOL.
I got my long 1/2" breaker bar in a pile of tools a guy gave me which is by far 
my favorite way to get tools. For this job however I think a ratchet is 
preferable as theres a lot of stuff you can run into. The ratchet allows you to 
easily reposition. My littlest bottle jack's handle works well as a cheater. It 
wouldn't hold up to high pressure applications but in this case its plenty.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 4:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change
   
HF can cure that.  They have some nice shiny chrome long breaker bars in 
3 sizes.

Now you know why you NEED it!
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> April 7, 2017 at 2:43 PM
> This one was pretty strong, I put an 18" jack handle on the end of a 
> socket. I don't have a 3/8" breaker bar, my 1/2" with adapter was too 
> big, no place to swing it.
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

HF can cure that.  They have some nice shiny chrome long breaker bars in 
3 sizes.


Now you know why you NEED it!

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
April 7, 2017 at 2:43 PM
This one was pretty strong, I put an 18" jack handle on the end of a 
socket. I don't have a 3/8" breaker bar, my 1/2" with adapter was too 
big, no place to swing it.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mac Pro

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've got a trashcan, its a nice computer if all you need is a computer, if you 
need to add anything to it its a PITA. Its realy quiet which is great.
Whoever decided the power button should be right above the power cord should be 
slapped around. Obviously the idea was you should never shut it off but once 
you hang a bunch of accessories it gets hard to get to the power button. My 
current desk wants the computers underneath and its really annoying to have to 
basically crawl under the desk to turn the computer on. This summer I plan on a 
new desk which will eliminate that problem.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 3:58 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Mac Pro
   
Seems the trash can Mac pro is on the way out.  No clue what the new one 
will look like.

https://blog.macsales.com/40446-apple-updates-mac-pro-confirms-new-modular-model-in-the-works?

I think that is a good thing.  The only thing I like about it was the 
design  for cooling air to take advantage and flow the flow of natural 
convection.

The prior big heavy aluminum cases were much more adaptable.

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[MBZ] OT Mac Pro

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Seems the trash can Mac pro is on the way out.  No clue what the new one 
will look like.


https://blog.macsales.com/40446-apple-updates-mac-pro-confirms-new-modular-model-in-the-works?

I think that is a good thing.   The only thing I like about it was the 
design  for cooling air to take advantage and flow the flow of natural 
convection.


The prior big heavy aluminum cases were much more adaptable.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

This one was pretty strong, I put an 18" jack handle on the end of a socket. I 
don't have a 3/8" breaker bar, my 1/2" with adapter was too big, no place to 
swing it.
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 3:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change
   
That is how they work on my trucks too, they don't have too much spring 
force so not too hard.  A long breaker bar works best.

--FT


On 4/7/17 3:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> The belt on our Dodge pickup was getting squeaky I got a replacement and then 
> stared blankly at the tensioner. Normally a big wrench loosens 'em but not 
> this one.
> Turns out you use a 3/8" ratchet with a cheater. The body of the tensioner 
> has a square cut in it. Works slicker than snot.
> Onliest downside is as always getting the belt routed all around. This thing 
> has a massive fan shroud. My forearms got pretty chewed up...
> Woulda been pretty quick but the dope at Autozone sold me the wrong belt the 
> first time, that one had to be shipped in from afar, they had the correct one 
> there on the shelf and it was $6 cheaper than the one they ordered in...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There are more people with stupid money who think the BMW is worth more.

To the "IN" society, a rare or special modern BMW means something.  A 
packard does not.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
April 7, 2017 at 1:00 PM
Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay 
cooler car. You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car show 
nobody is going to look at the BMW...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Both idler and tensioner seem fine, no obvious wobble and they don't make any 
noise.The old belt wasn't real bad, not much cracking but it made a little 
chirp on startup that went away when it warmed up. That noise is gone.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 3:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change
   
Did you check the condiion o fthe idler?

RB

On 07/04/2017 2:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> The belt on our Dodge pickup was getting squeaky I got a replacement and then 
> stared blankly at the tensioner. Normally a big wrench loosens 'em but not 
> this one.
> Turns out you use a 3/8" ratchet with a cheater. The body of the tensioner 
> has a square cut in it. Works slicker than snot.
> Onliest downside is as always getting the belt routed all around. This thing 
> has a massive fan shroud. My forearms got pretty chewed up...
> Woulda been pretty quick but the dope at Autozone sold me the wrong belt the 
> first time, that one had to be shipped in from afar, they had the correct one 
> there on the shelf and it was $6 cheaper than the one they ordered in...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Did you check the condiion o fthe idler?

RB

On 07/04/2017 2:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

The belt on our Dodge pickup was getting squeaky I got a replacement and then 
stared blankly at the tensioner. Normally a big wrench loosens 'em but not this 
one.
Turns out you use a 3/8" ratchet with a cheater. The body of the tensioner has 
a square cut in it. Works slicker than snot.
Onliest downside is as always getting the belt routed all around. This thing 
has a massive fan shroud. My forearms got pretty chewed up...
Woulda been pretty quick but the dope at Autozone sold me the wrong belt the 
first time, that one had to be shipped in from afar, they had the correct one 
there on the shelf and it was $6 cheaper than the one they ordered in...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That is how they work on my trucks too, they don't have too much spring 
force so not too hard.  A long breaker bar works best.


--FT


On 4/7/17 3:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

The belt on our Dodge pickup was getting squeaky I got a replacement and then 
stared blankly at the tensioner. Normally a big wrench loosens 'em but not this 
one.
Turns out you use a 3/8" ratchet with a cheater. The body of the tensioner has 
a square cut in it. Works slicker than snot.
Onliest downside is as always getting the belt routed all around. This thing 
has a massive fan shroud. My forearms got pretty chewed up...
Woulda been pretty quick but the dope at Autozone sold me the wrong belt the 
first time, that one had to be shipped in from afar, they had the correct one 
there on the shelf and it was $6 cheaper than the one they ordered in...
-Curt
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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] OT: Dodge RAM 1500 belt change

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The belt on our Dodge pickup was getting squeaky I got a replacement and then 
stared blankly at the tensioner. Normally a big wrench loosens 'em but not this 
one.
Turns out you use a 3/8" ratchet with a cheater. The body of the tensioner has 
a square cut in it. Works slicker than snot.
Onliest downside is as always getting the belt routed all around. This thing 
has a massive fan shroud. My forearms got pretty chewed up...
Woulda been pretty quick but the dope at Autozone sold me the wrong belt the 
first time, that one had to be shipped in from afar, they had the correct one 
there on the shelf and it was $6 cheaper than the one they ordered in...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

That guy drove his Model A every day for a year... Of course a Model A is waaay 
easier to get parts for...
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 2:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT
   
Why not?

-_FT


On 4/7/17 2:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> And who would buy the Packard with the expectation of using it as a daily 
> driver?  Far cooler, much less expensive than the wagon in many ways.
>
> -D
>
>
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay cooler car. 
>> You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car show nobody is going 
>> to look at the BMW...
>> -Curt
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Delo 400 Changes?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was thinking along the same lines as Craig except a thought occurred to me, 
maybe the existing oil met the new spec without any changes. Remember its 
always "meets or exceeds" perhaps exceeding the old spec made it already ready 
for the new one in which case no new SKU because its the same stuff...
-Curt

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 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 2:56 PM
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 09:42:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just noticed the latest 2.5 gallon jug I got a Wally World is labeled
> differently.  Looks like the ratings changed and now cover API CK-4 as
> opposed to CJ-4.

Yes, ratings have changed. The API (American Petroleum Institute is in
the process of certifying oils to the new standard.


> Not sure if that matters.  Same SKU so it must be the same stuff.

Not exactly the same; improved in some aspects.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Why not?

-_FT


On 4/7/17 2:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

And who would buy the Packard with the expectation of using it as a daily 
driver?  Far cooler, much less expensive than the wagon in many ways.

-D



On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
wrote:

Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay cooler car. 
You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car show nobody is going to 
look at the BMW...
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Delo 400 Changes?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 09:42:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just noticed the latest 2.5 gallon jug I got a Wally World is labeled
> differently.  Looks like the ratings changed and now cover API CK-4 as
> opposed to CJ-4.

Yes, ratings have changed. The API (American Petroleum Institute is in
the process of certifying oils to the new standard.


> Not sure if that matters.  Same SKU so it must be the same stuff.

Not exactly the same; improved in some aspects.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And who would buy the Packard with the expectation of using it as a daily 
driver?  Far cooler, much less expensive than the wagon in many ways.

-D


> On Apr 7, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay cooler car. 
> You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car show nobody is going to 
> look at the BMW...
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah thats the thing I don't understand. That Packard is a waaay cooler car. 
You park that and the BMW next to each other at a car show nobody is going to 
look at the BMW...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 1:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT
   
The stupid part is owning a $65k collector wagon that's too precious to
risk driving daily.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Got to have deep pockets to buy things like that. Got to have a good place
> to store it and to pay insurance on it so that you can take it to a car
> show or two. Not something anyone is likely to use as a daily commuter.
>
> The BMW wagon, on the other hand, could easily be driven daily.
>
> RB
>
> On 07/04/2017 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Bummer.  I’m surprised it brought that much in bidding, as it was sort of
>> a “meh” kind of classic car.  I’m not criticizing, and I think it was
>> pretty cool, but I don’t think there’s a lot of value there.  $10k would
>> have been a pretty good price, I would think.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Packard didn't sell - failed to meet the reserve price.
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The battery I could pass on, the motherboard doesn't impress me...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 12:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook
   
Not many 2006 cars around that still have the original battery, unless 
the car has been "was running when parked" for a few years, and I'd call 
that unreliable.


> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> April 7, 2017 at 11:22 AM
> Ummm, having its motherboard and battery replaced makes it mildly 
> un-reliable. If you'd had to have the engine replaced in a 2006 car 
> you'd call that unreliable I think...
> I have an HP laptop from 2004 that still works fine although it could 
> use a new battery. On that one the battery swap is super easy.
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The stupid part is owning a $65k collector wagon that's too precious to
risk driving daily.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Got to have deep pockets to buy things like that. Got to have a good place
> to store it and to pay insurance on it so that you can take it to a car
> show or two. Not something anyone is likely to use as a daily commuter.
>
> The BMW wagon, on the other hand, could easily be driven daily.
>
> RB
>
> On 07/04/2017 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Bummer.  I’m surprised it brought that much in bidding, as it was sort of
>> a “meh” kind of classic car.  I’m not criticizing, and I think it was
>> pretty cool, but I don’t think there’s a lot of value there.  $10k would
>> have been a pretty good price, I would think.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Packard didn't sell - failed to meet the reserve price.
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Got to have deep pockets to buy things like that. Got to have a good 
place to store it and to pay insurance on it so that you can take it to 
a car show or two. Not something anyone is likely to use as a daily 
commuter.


The BMW wagon, on the other hand, could easily be driven daily.

RB

On 07/04/2017 12:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Bummer.  I’m surprised it brought that much in bidding, as it was sort of a 
“meh” kind of classic car.  I’m not criticizing, and I think it was pretty 
cool, but I don’t think there’s a lot of value there.  $10k would have been a 
pretty good price, I would think.

-D



On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Packard didn't sell - failed to meet the reserve price.


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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Bummer.  I’m surprised it brought that much in bidding, as it was sort of a 
“meh” kind of classic car.  I’m not criticizing, and I think it was pretty 
cool, but I don’t think there’s a lot of value there.  $10k would have been a 
pretty good price, I would think.

-D


> On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Packard didn't sell - failed to meet the reserve price.


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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Packard didn't sell - failed to meet the reserve price.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> With BMWs it's all about cachet, as George Costanza would have said.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
>> Seeing this after the Packard from the other day brought only $10,500 is
>> a travesty...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> *To:* Mercedes Discussion List 
>> *Cc:* Andrew Strasfogel 
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 7, 2017 11:51 AM
>> *Subject:* [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT
>>
>> Insanely expensive but it's a pretty color.
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-bmw-m5-2/
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Not many 2006 cars around that still have the original battery, unless 
the car has been "was running when parked" for a few years, and I'd call 
that unreliable.




Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
April 7, 2017 at 11:22 AM
Ummm, having its motherboard and battery replaced makes it mildly 
un-reliable. If you'd had to have the engine replaced in a 2006 car 
you'd call that unreliable I think...
I have an HP laptop from 2004 that still works fine although it could 
use a new battery. On that one the battery swap is super easy.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not really.  I bought it used at a highly discounted price, and used it a
couple years before the MB and battery went south.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Ummm, having its motherboard and battery replaced makes it mildly
> un-reliable. If you'd had to have the engine replaced in a 2006 car you'd
> call that unreliable I think...
>
> I have an HP laptop from 2004 that still works fine although it could use
> a new battery. On that one the battery swap is super easy.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
> *From:* Andrew Strasfogel 
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> *Cc:* Curt Raymond ; Jim Cathey <
> jim.cathey...@gmail.com>; Fred Moir 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 7, 2017 11:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook
>
> My 2006 MBP had its motherboard and battery replaced by Apple during my 6
> years of ownership.  Can't complain - very reliable.
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

With BMWs it's all about cachet, as George Costanza would have said.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Seeing this after the Packard from the other day brought only $10,500 is a
> travesty...
>
> -Curt
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> *From:* Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> *Sent:* Friday, April 7, 2017 11:51 AM
> *Subject:* [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT
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> Insanely expensive but it's a pretty color.
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-bmw-m5-2/
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I missed the close on the Packard.  I was wondering what it sold for.  That was 
a cool car.

-D


> On Apr 7, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seeing this after the Packard from the other day brought only $10,500 is a 
> travesty...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:51 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT
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> Insanely expensive but it's a pretty color.
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

No mention that the AC BLOWS ICE COLD.

They also forgot to say it gets 30+ mpg.

-
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ummm, having its motherboard and battery replaced makes it mildly un-reliable. 
If you'd had to have the engine replaced in a 2006 car you'd call that 
unreliable I think...
I have an HP laptop from 2004 that still works fine although it could use a new 
battery. On that one the battery swap is super easy.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
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Cc: Curt Raymond ; Jim Cathey ; 
Fred Moir 
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook
   
My 2006 MBP had its motherboard and battery replaced by Apple during my 6 years 
of ownership.  Can't complain - very reliable.

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The 2007's will run El Capitan, and are fairly cheap now.  We have three...
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Re: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Seeing this after the Packard from the other day brought only $10,500 is a 
travesty...
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:51 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT
   
Insanely expensive but it's a pretty color.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-bmw-m5-2/
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Re: [MBZ] Delo 400 Changes?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A quick check with Google gives us: 
http://rotella.shell.com/products/pc-11.html?gclid=CjwKEAjw8ZzHBRCUwrrV59XinXUSJADSTE5kWZY1Ar94TDcpJiJv-FNUIoyc2KzHY7Q6l_QA6KBMsRoCWoDw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
Looks like increased protection from higher temperatures but not much else...
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Friday, April 7, 2017 11:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Delo 400 Changes?
   
I doubt you can rely upon the fact that the SKU did not change to 
indicate it is the same stuff.
It is the replacement stuff for whatever they were selling.
More research required to determine whether the change in labelling 
indicates a change in content or just some change to what they wish to 
tell us.

RB

On 07/04/2017 8:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Just noticed the latest 2.5 gallon jug I got a Wally World is labeled 
> differently.  Looks like the ratings changed and now cover API CK-4 as 
> opposed to CJ-4.
>
> Not sure if that matters.  Same SKU so it must be the same stuff.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My 2006 MBP had its motherboard and battery replaced by Apple during my 6
years of ownership.  Can't complain - very reliable.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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[MBZ] Cult car - 1995 BMW wagon on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Insanely expensive but it's a pretty color.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1995-bmw-m5-2/
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Re: [MBZ] Delo 400 Changes?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I doubt you can rely upon the fact that the SKU did not change to 
indicate it is the same stuff.

It is the replacement stuff for whatever they were selling.
More research required to determine whether the change in labelling 
indicates a change in content or just some change to what they wish to 
tell us.


RB

On 07/04/2017 8:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Just noticed the latest 2.5 gallon jug I got a Wally World is labeled 
differently.  Looks like the ratings changed and now cover API CK-4 as opposed 
to CJ-4.

Not sure if that matters.  Same SKU so it must be the same stuff.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Random current leak

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I like all of these suggestions. Thank you respondents all! Will post
follow up.

Karl

On Apr 6, 2017 6:25 AM, "archer75--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Apr 2017 13:17:45 -0700
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > The transplanted 606 keeps draining its battery when parked. Slowly, but
> > still fast enough to drain it in a week or two. Is there a logical way to
> > track where the current is going, analogous to troubleshooting vacuum
> > leaks? Otherwise I am just going to buy a disconnect for it.
> > ___
> Disconnect the main circuits one by one and measure milliamps with a good
> meter. Then compare the readings.
> If there is little or no difference, do it agains using a microammeter.
> That should be diagnostic.
> After you find the leaking circuit, post it back on Mercedes list and
> someone is likely to know the source.
> My bet would be the radio and/or radio accessories.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cobalt Milk Shake??

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Probably nothing to worry about. I'm going to guess its had significant 
"deferred maintenance" over the years. Swap all the fluids and observe.
-Curt

  From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
 Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:53 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: Cobalt Milk Shake??
   
Just helped my son do an oil change on his 2008 Chev Cobalt 4 cyl. vergasser 5 
spd man trans. Checking fluids, we found:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3kitg76ve2xncd6/milk%20shake.jpg?dl=0

 

on the inside of the coolant overflow tank lid. The car runs well and the oil 
itself shows no problem. The car has about 100 kmi. and uses no oil between 
changes.

 

Is this a concern? Is a coolant flush and replacement indicated?

 

Also, is there a decent aftermarket repair manual for this car? He says it's 
due for a brake job.

 

Is someone going to offer $500 for this POS?

 

TIA,

 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm typing this on a 2013 Macbook Pro. This is the first of the retina 
Macbooks. Zero issues so far other than I broke the cord wrap tabs on the power 
supply. All laptops ought to come with 2 power supplies so you can have one for 
home and one for travel...
-Curt

  From: Fred Moir via Mercedes 
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Cc: Fred Moir 
 Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:35 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Mackbook
   
A question for all of you Mac gurus out there.

My grand daughter has been offered a good job that requires the use of a 
Macintosh appliance.

My research has highlighted that some of the earlier Macbook Pros have failure 
prone video.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a reasonable (hah!) Macbook Pro or other 
unit?

Ta, very much.

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.
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[MBZ] Delo 400 Changes?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just noticed the latest 2.5 gallon jug I got a Wally World is labeled 
differently.  Looks like the ratings changed and now cover API CK-4 as opposed 
to CJ-4.

Not sure if that matters.  Same SKU so it must be the same stuff.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT: He could've shot them boys in the leg.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

cuz they die (sooner) feeling all smug cuz they are "peaceful."   RIP


fmiser via Mercedes 
April 7, 2017 at 1:31 AM


Andrew wrote:

And I suggest you visit the Peace Garden.
https://www.peacegarden.com/


And how will that stop the folks invading my house?  Or protect
the innocent people from the criminal invaders?



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Re: [MBZ] OT Mackbook

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Usually several small dogs…

Really, really good people. I have dealt with them and OWC for close to 25 
years, and never been disappointed by either one.

Mac -D

> On Apr 6, 2017, at 11:23 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Plus, if you order from Small Dog, they include a small dog in every order!
> 
> -MMM-
> 
> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Refurbs from Apple are ideal if she’s in the market for a newer second
>> generation machine of some sort.  If not, OWC is a good second choice for
>> older refurbs.  Not that far from you is Small Dog if you’re looking for a
>> trip to Vermont.  Super customer service and one of the oldest Apple VARs
>> in the country.  They really know their stuff.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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