[MBZ] chevy trux

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Chip has a nice chevy truck for sale on BAT.   best year for the body type.

I don't like the black paint.  my preference would be the original dark 
green lacquer, with other choices being medium green, sea foam green or 
yellow, in the original lacquer.  The wheels suck big time, but those 
are easy to change and some nerd would love to buy those to finance 
appropriate wheels.


http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1953-chevrolet-1953-12-3100-5-window-pickup/

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles! $15000

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Stupid bumpers, stupid A/C, shot upholstery, shot suspension, run, don't
walk away.

-MMM-

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> lol
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> >
> > For the quotes page...
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
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> >> If you want that kind of money you need to get it up.
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap E320 w/Easy Fix in Vegas

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Craig inquires:

>‎What would cause a transmission to go >into limp mode?

Conductor plate.  

‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKWyn7tcqdc&sns=em

‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImUYRu-VhCE&sns=em

‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG5CPd0pnhk&sns=em

‎https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upA2lx1_vK8&sns=em

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Re: [MBZ] M103 Air Flow Meter Boot

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

There is a frame that holds the boot to the fuel distributor.  Be very careful, 
there is ONE short screw, and if you put a long one in that hole you can crush 
the transducer for the meter plate position sensor.  

Replace the idle valve hoses at the same time, the one between the valve and 
intake is almost impossible to replace if the fuel distributor is installed.

When you re-install the fuel distributor with the new boot in place, get the 
back (engine) side of the boot on first, it's probably impossible to get 
anything back there to roll the lip over the throttle body.  You can reach the 
outer side with some contortions.

Peter


-Original Message-
>From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>Sent: Apr 19, 2017 8:45 PM
>To: Mercedes List 
>Cc: Dan Penoff 
>Subject: [MBZ] M103 Air Flow Meter Boot
>
>In anticipation of replacing all of the rubber bits on the 300SEL/M13, I was 
>trying to figure out what I would need for the boot between the air flow meter 
>and throttle valve.  It’s not at all what I thought was there…
>
>I was looking at some parts diagrams and was confused - I assumed the boot 
>would be a cylindrical rubber piece connecting the bottom of the air flow 
>meter to the throttle valve with a large diameter hose clamp.  While the clamp 
>is there, looking at the part it appears that the portion that connects to the 
>bottom of the air flow meter is actually rectangular in shape and funnels down 
>to a circular opening that goes over the throttle valve.
>
>How is this secured to the air flow meter?  Does it just snap over the bottom 
>and is held in place with a friction fit, or is there some sort of bracket or 
>clamps that hold it on?
>
>I want to have everything I need on hand before I start taking things apart, 
>and this appears to be something I’ll need and suspect is probably old and 
>hard as a rock.
>
>Confused.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 Mercedes 300D 2.5 turbo diesel 244k miles $2300

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks to be an honest seller and (almost) fair price.

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>
> 1992 Mercedes 300D 2.5 turbo diesel 244k miles
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/6094372375.html
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Benz 300SD VERY RARE Good Condition Auto Classic Beauty $3995

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Nice looking car but too bad about the cracked dash.

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>
> 1985 Mercedes Benz 300SD VERY RARE Good Condition Auto Classic Beauty
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap E320 w/Easy Fix in Vegas

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:15:25 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Make a trip to Vegas, drive it home:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2809786-fs-1997-e320.html#post15905370
> 

I'm selling my 1997 E320. I'm posting it here before anywhere
else in hopes that an enthusiast will appreciate it as much
as I have throughout the years.

There is a problem with the Transmission and it is currently
in limp mode, I don't have the skills to fix this type of
problem and can't afford a 5k rebuild. Outside of the
transmission and minor shopping cart dings, the car is in
excellent condition, its been garaged and babied its whole
life and its never been in an accident. I'm asking 1300.00.

Location - Las Vegas Nevada
Year - 1997
Color - Gold
Mileage - 142,447

What Baumeister is a '97 E320?

What would cause a transmission to go into limp mode?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Turbo cleaner in a can

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Is bio-diesel available in your area? I've always found a tank or two of that 
really helps clean the carbon out, especially when combined with a good hard 
drive...
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: clay 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:02 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Turbo cleaner in a can
   
 I went to FLAPS yesterday for a new tube of glazing putty.  I found a can of 
CRC intake and turbo spray magical stuff.  I figured what the heck, why not?

The SD has not been running like a champ, the way the SDL did after its long 
journey.  I know I will need to adjust valves, but have not yet.  This stuff 
could not hurt… much.  You get the engine warm, open up the air intake area or 
turbo hose.  I went for the hose.  Keep engine spinning at 2k (needed a helper, 
but only had a board and a big rock) then spray this in bursts until the can 
goes empty.  You need the fuel going in, or the spray makes a really nasty 
noise come out of the engine.  There is lots of smoke that exits the back end 
of the car for a while, but goes away eventually.  I noticed a fair amount of 
blowby while shooting this goo.

Once the stuff is gone, you rev the engine a few times to just under 3500 rpm, 
then turn the car off and allow it to sit, heat soaking this stuff for an hour 
or so.  I went inside to get some water and toast.  Once the heat had done its 
job, I took it for the obligatory (it says so on the can) drive on the highway, 
at speed for 10 minutes.

Starting the car was a little harder, and much smoke, of the Sea Foam type took 
place.  The drive was uneventful.  I kind of noticed the car ran much better 
once it warmed up.  The transmission needs adjusting of modulator.  But, the 
engine was able to make better power across the band and the turbo was not 
restricting the engine when the Go Pedal gets mashed to the floor.  Maybe the 
waste gate is working now.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
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1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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[MBZ] Turbo cleaner in a can

[clay via Mercedes]

 I went to FLAPS yesterday for a new tube of glazing putty.  I found a can of 
CRC intake and turbo spray magical stuff.  I figured what the heck, why not?

The SD has not been running like a champ, the way the SDL did after its long 
journey.  I know I will need to adjust valves, but have not yet.  This stuff 
could not hurt… much.  You get the engine warm, open up the air intake area or 
turbo hose.  I went for the hose.  Keep engine spinning at 2k (needed a helper, 
but only had a board and a big rock) then spray this in bursts until the can 
goes empty.  You need the fuel going in, or the spray makes a really nasty 
noise come out of the engine.  There is lots of smoke that exits the back end 
of the car for a while, but goes away eventually.  I noticed a fair amount of 
blowby while shooting this goo.

Once the stuff is gone, you rev the engine a few times to just under 3500 rpm, 
then turn the car off and allow it to sit, heat soaking this stuff for an hour 
or so.  I went inside to get some water and toast.  Once the heat had done its 
job, I took it for the obligatory (it says so on the can) drive on the highway, 
at speed for 10 minutes.

Starting the car was a little harder, and much smoke, of the Sea Foam type took 
place.  The drive was uneventful.  I kind of noticed the car ran much better 
once it warmed up.  The transmission needs adjusting of modulator.  But, the 
engine was able to make better power across the band and the turbo was not 
restricting the engine when the Go Pedal gets mashed to the floor.  Maybe the 
waste gate is working now.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

ROFL!
Can't do that here at Walmart. If you pounce on something one of the 
Walmartians wants, your life could be danger.
Gerry

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> I'm glad you asked.
> I stalk the poultry section of the local Giant, and then pounce when turkey
> breasts (fresh OR frozen) go on sale.  I then proceed with stealth to the
> checkout line so as not to arouse any angry males ("toms"), pay with a
> credit card and affinity card to obtain the maximum discount, and then make
> my escape into the sunny outdoors.  Not for the faint of heart, but the
> thrill of the hunt makes it all worthwhile.

Curley McLain wrote:
> > So, Andrew, how often do you go turkey hunting?  Should be easy as
> > standin' on a corner where you live.   Curious minds want to know:  What do
> > you use for turkey huntin'?   What technique do you use?  Sit in a Blind
> > and call em in?  Crawl up to em on yer belly, injun style?   Use Pepto
> > bismol as bait?  Live trap?  Other methods?
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> April 19, 2017 at 12:35 PM
> >> And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto Bismol" has
> >> bismuth.

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[MBZ] M103 Air Flow Meter Boot

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

In anticipation of replacing all of the rubber bits on the 300SEL/M13, I was 
trying to figure out what I would need for the boot between the air flow meter 
and throttle valve.  It’s not at all what I thought was there…

I was looking at some parts diagrams and was confused - I assumed the boot 
would be a cylindrical rubber piece connecting the bottom of the air flow meter 
to the throttle valve with a large diameter hose clamp.  While the clamp is 
there, looking at the part it appears that the portion that connects to the 
bottom of the air flow meter is actually rectangular in shape and funnels down 
to a circular opening that goes over the throttle valve.

How is this secured to the air flow meter?  Does it just snap over the bottom 
and is held in place with a friction fit, or is there some sort of bracket or 
clamps that hold it on?

I want to have everything I need on hand before I start taking things apart, 
and this appears to be something I’ll need and suspect is probably old and hard 
as a rock.

Confused.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The 450 was iron on iron.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All of the 380 and 560 engines were aluminum head on aluminum block.  I'm
> unsure of the 450, it might be a mixed-metal engine.  You don't _need_ a
> steel liner for longevity, but the details matter.
>
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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

All of the 380 and 560 engines were aluminum head on aluminum block.  I'm
unsure of the 450, it might be a mixed-metal engine.  You don't _need_ a
steel liner for longevity, but the details matter.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Looking at pickups ...

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

96, 97, and 1/2 98 have the inline P7100 mechanical injection pump on the
12-valve motor.  Very similar to the pump in the OM603, in that respect.
My 97 (stickshift) can get 25-26MPG on a highway trip, on stock tires and
me holding it to about 60MPH.  That IP is _not_ destroyed if the lift pump
goes out, or you run it out of fuel.  Not true of anything before or since,
at least until the advent of the common-rail system.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] Cheap E320 w/Easy Fix in Vegas

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Make a trip to Vegas, drive it home:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2809786-fs-1997-e320.html#post15905370
 


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Re: [MBZ] Sludge!

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Unless it won't turn over due to seized bearings, no.
I don't see how sludge would get into the combustion chamber to foul the
plugs.
From Wikipedia:
"The term is also sometimes used as a generic term for solids separated
from suspension in a liquid; this 'soupy' material usually contains
significant quantities of 'interstitial' water (between the solid
particles)."

An engine engine that is run very little and never kept at operating
temperature long enough to remove all the water that collects in the
crankcase, it will collect sludge in the oil and crankcase. Damage to
bearings is the most common result.


On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 7:52 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It wasn't me.
>
> Has anyone ever known of a car not starting from "too much sludge" unless
> the sludge fouled the plugs, and has anyone ever heard of "removing the oil
> pan to clean out the sludge"; in a car that has regular oil/filter changes;
> since the advent of detergent oil additives in the 1950s? That sounds like
> it might be "creative maintainence"; especially if it was done at a dealer.
>
> Gerry
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > Didn't somebody buy a frequently maintained diesel Benz from an
> acquaintance and find the decaying remains of the original oil filter in it?
> > Wilton? Gerry?
>
> Curley wrote:
> > > Quickie oil change? meaning no oil change but a charge and paperwork
> for
> > > an oil change.
> > > M1?
> > >
> > > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> > > > April 19, 2017 at 11:27 AM
> > > > Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent an engine from sludging up
> > > > apart from "drive it like you stole it"?
> > > >
> > > > An older friend has a late model (maybe 3 year old) Dodge Dart that
> > > > has been causing him troubles. It has maybe 15K miles on it.
> > > >
> > > > Had to have it towed in earlier this week as it would not start. They
> > > > have told him that it is so sludged up that it will not run. They are
> > > > going to clean out the oilpan and the intake manifold for $600.
> > > >
> > > > The car is leased and has had regular oilchanges. I don't think he
> > > > ever drives it out of town. Has command start and has been warming it
> > > > up all winter before coming for coffee so that likely does not help.
> > > >
> > > > Additives? Different oil - might be a problem to change since he
> takes
> > > > it to the dealer.
> > > >
> > > > RB
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Re: [MBZ] Sludge!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well, what were the symptoms beyond "wouldn't start"?  

Sludge in the oil system would not foul spark plugs, but in today's complicated 
engines with variable valve timing and sensors galore, I can believe that a 
massive sludge problem could cause some real issues.  Maybe the computers were 
smart enough to sense low oil pressure and wouldn't allow the engine to start.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On April 19, 2017 8:52:27 PM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>It wasn't me.
> 
>Has anyone ever known of a car not starting from "too much sludge"
>unless the sludge fouled the plugs, and has anyone ever heard of
>"removing the oil pan to clean out the sludge"; in a car that has
>regular oil/filter changes; since the advent of detergent oil additives
>in the 1950s? That sounds like it might be "creative maintainence";
>especially if it was done at a dealer.
>
>Gerry
>
>
>Mitch Haley wrote:
>> Didn't somebody buy a frequently maintained diesel Benz from an
>acquaintance and find the decaying remains of the original oil filter
>in it?
>> Wilton? Gerry?
> 
>Curley wrote:
>> > Quickie oil change? meaning no oil change but a charge and
>paperwork for 
>> > an oil change.
>> > M1?
>> > 
>> > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> > > April 19, 2017 at 11:27 AM
>> > > Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent an engine from sludging
>up 
>> > > apart from "drive it like you stole it"?
>> > >
>> > > An older friend has a late model (maybe 3 year old) Dodge Dart
>that 
>> > > has been causing him troubles. It has maybe 15K miles on it.
>> > >
>> > > Had to have it towed in earlier this week as it would not start.
>They 
>> > > have told him that it is so sludged up that it will not run. They
>are 
>> > > going to clean out the oilpan and the intake manifold for $600.
>> > >
>> > > The car is leased and has had regular oilchanges. I don't think
>he 
>> > > ever drives it out of town. Has command start and has been
>warming it 
>> > > up all winter before coming for coffee so that likely does not
>help.
>> > >
>> > > Additives? Different oil - might be a problem to change since he
>takes 
>> > > it to the dealer.
>> > >
>> > > RB
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Sludge!

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

It wasn't me.
 
Has anyone ever known of a car not starting from "too much sludge" unless the 
sludge fouled the plugs, and has anyone ever heard of "removing the oil pan to 
clean out the sludge"; in a car that has regular oil/filter changes; since the 
advent of detergent oil additives in the 1950s? That sounds like it might be 
"creative maintainence"; especially if it was done at a dealer.

Gerry


Mitch Haley wrote:
> Didn't somebody buy a frequently maintained diesel Benz from an acquaintance 
> and find the decaying remains of the original oil filter in it?
> Wilton? Gerry?
 
Curley wrote:
> > Quickie oil change? meaning no oil change but a charge and paperwork for 
> > an oil change.
> > M1?
> > 
> > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> > > April 19, 2017 at 11:27 AM
> > > Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent an engine from sludging up 
> > > apart from "drive it like you stole it"?
> > >
> > > An older friend has a late model (maybe 3 year old) Dodge Dart that 
> > > has been causing him troubles. It has maybe 15K miles on it.
> > >
> > > Had to have it towed in earlier this week as it would not start. They 
> > > have told him that it is so sludged up that it will not run. They are 
> > > going to clean out the oilpan and the intake manifold for $600.
> > >
> > > The car is leased and has had regular oilchanges. I don't think he 
> > > ever drives it out of town. Has command start and has been warming it 
> > > up all winter before coming for coffee so that likely does not help.
> > >
> > > Additives? Different oil - might be a problem to change since he takes 
> > > it to the dealer.
> > >
> > > RB
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles! $15000

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lol 

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> For the quotes page...
> 
> -
> Max
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>> If you want that kind of money you need to get it up.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles! $15000

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For the quotes page...

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> If you want that kind of money you need to get it up.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles! $15000

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The whole suspension is on the ground. If you want that kind of money you need 
to get it up.

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>  wrote:
> 
> The only 116 I ever wanted.  might be decent but probably not for the price.  
> rear is low, so I doubt that part of the description.  It is in hous ton 
> scam alert!   Something does not add up:  "dad" drove it to work every day 
> for 15 years"Only 60k miles"  that alone dictates that it only had 4k per 
> year.  Possible, but highly doubtful.  That would be only 13 miles a day with 
> NO driving to the store, to the kid'd soccer, or on weekends.
> 
> Few people paid the price for the best Mercedes and then did not drive it.  
> ...  A LOT!
> 
> 
> Still a 6.9 in reasonably good shape IS collectable, and getting hard to come 
> by.  Floyd need to add this to his chick magnet collection.  It is probably 
> faster than his new acquisition!
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> April 19, 2017 at 5:44 PM
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>> 1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles!
>> http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/6095244611.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Looking at pickups ...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

96 dogde with cummins would be the best for fuel economy.


Craig via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 5:54 PM
I'm thinking about exchanging our '89 Chevy G20 Beauville van for a
pickup and ran across:

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6077314895.html
'93 chevy cheyanne 1500 - $1800 (Moriarty)

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6056185421.html
1977 Chevrolet Truck - $1995

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6070130821.html
1999 Dodge Ram 1500 - $2000

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6087518826.html
1997 f 150 4x4 - $2000

Which one should I pick or avoid?

Why?


Craig

P.S. I'm leaning toward the '77

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles! $15000

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The only 116 I ever wanted.  might be decent but probably not for the 
price.  rear is low, so I doubt that part of the description.  It is in 
hous ton scam alert!   Something does not add up:  "dad" drove it to 
work every day for 15 years"Only 60k miles"  that alone dictates 
that it only had 4k per year.  Possible, but highly doubtful.  That 
would be only 13 miles a day with NO driving to the store, to the kid'd 
soccer, or on weekends.


Few people paid the price for the best Mercedes and then did not drive 
it.  ...  A LOT!



Still a 6.9 in reasonably good shape IS collectable, and getting hard to 
come by.  Floyd need to add this to his chick magnet collection.  It is 
probably faster than his new acquisition!

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 5:44 PM

1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles!
http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/6095244611.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Looking at pickups ...

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On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:46:39 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Vans in general are a pain to work on. 

That is most certainly true!!!


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> > On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:15:32 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> I tend to stick with chevy as they are easy to work on and parts are
> >> cheap. 
> > 
> > If Chevy vans are easier to work on than other vans, I sure would not
> > want to try to work on one of those!

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Re: [MBZ] It's green

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

2 or 3 tone gruén  from what I can tell.  Looks like it could be pretty 
decent with some paint and trim.



Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 5:34 PM

1978 Mercedes 240D
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Looking at pickups ...

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Look at the layout to see if it fits your mission. When we were looking for
our truck, we wanted a single cab and 8' bed. The only US truck that had
usable room behind the front (only) seat was the Ford. My first choice
would have been Chevy for the reasons Kleb mentioned, but it was quickly
ruled out when we saw them in person.
I'm sure that your requirements are different from mine, there were NO
trucks configured like we wanted in the OK, northern TX, southern KS area -
we custom spec'ed and had it built to order.

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> I tend to stick with chevy as they are easy to work on and parts are cheap.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking about exchanging our '89 Chevy G20 Beauville van for a
> > pickup and ran across:
> >
> > https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6077314895.html
> > '93 chevy cheyanne 1500 - $1800 (Moriarty)
> >
> > https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6056185421.html
> > 1977 Chevrolet Truck - $1995
> >
> > https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6070130821.html
> > 1999 Dodge Ram 1500 - $2000
> >
> > https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6087518826.html
> > 1997 f 150 4x4 - $2000
> >
> > Which one should I pick or avoid?
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > P.S. I'm leaning toward the '77
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Looking at pickups ...

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Vans in general are a pain to work on. 

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> On Apr 19, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:15:32 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I tend to stick with chevy as they are easy to work on and parts are
>> cheap. 
> 
> If Chevy vans are easier to work on than other vans, I sure would not
> want to try to work on one of those!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Looking at pickups ...

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 18:15:32 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I tend to stick with chevy as they are easy to work on and parts are
> cheap. 

If Chevy vans are easier to work on than other vans, I sure would not
want to try to work on one of those!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Looking at pickups ...

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I tend to stick with chevy as they are easy to work on and parts are cheap. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I'm thinking about exchanging our '89 Chevy G20 Beauville van for a
> pickup and ran across:
> 
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6077314895.html
> '93 chevy cheyanne 1500 - $1800 (Moriarty) 
> 
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6056185421.html
> 1977 Chevrolet Truck - $1995
> 
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6070130821.html
> 1999 Dodge Ram 1500 - $2000
> 
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6087518826.html
> 1997 f 150 4x4 - $2000
> 
> Which one should I pick or avoid?
> 
> Why?
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> P.S. I'm leaning toward the '77
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[MBZ] OT: Looking at pickups ...

[Craig via Mercedes]

I'm thinking about exchanging our '89 Chevy G20 Beauville van for a
pickup and ran across:

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6077314895.html
'93 chevy cheyanne 1500 - $1800 (Moriarty) 

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6056185421.html
1977 Chevrolet Truck - $1995

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6070130821.html
1999 Dodge Ram 1500 - $2000

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/6087518826.html
1997 f 150 4x4 - $2000

Which one should I pick or avoid?

Why?


Craig

P.S. I'm leaning toward the '77

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[MBZ] 1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles! $15000

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1979 Mercedes 6.9L *Collectors Item* Less than 60K Miles!
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[MBZ] 1992 Mercedes 300D 2.5 turbo diesel 244k miles $2300

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1992 Mercedes 300D 2.5 turbo diesel 244k miles
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Re: [MBZ] It's green

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Beautiful.

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[MBZ] 1985 Mercedes Benz 300SD VERY RARE Good Condition Auto Classic Beauty $3995

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1985 Mercedes Benz 300SD VERY RARE Good Condition Auto Classic Beauty
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[MBZ] It's green

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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Theres a lethal dose limit for everything, if you drink too much water you'll 
die...
-Curt

  From: MG via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
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 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 5:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style
   
I beg to differ. In the first place just because something is 
"medicinal" that does not automatically make it harmless. This is 
proven over and over on a daily basis in hospitals.

In the second place, while bismuth is less poisonous than other 
heavy metals, people who are exposed to it daily such as plumbers 
for instance are cautioned to be on the watch for symptoms of 
over exposure. In the case of the aforesaid plumbers it would be 
  from the inhalation of soldering fumes. It can kill you.

Just saying.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto Bismol" has
> bismuth.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
>> Not for turkey, that's for waterfowl and not for anything without
>> removable choke tubes, the steel is mighty hard on the barrel.
>> If I were going for waterfowl I'd use bismuth shot, heavier and softer
>> than steel.
>>
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
>>  wrote:
>> DO you use steel shot?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'll be turkey hunting next week. Got to spend some time with my muzzle
>> loading shotgun last Tuesday. Bit of a humbling experience, I'd thought it
>> was an 18 gauge which is unusual but not unheard of. The muzzle measures
>> .635" which is bigger than 20ga but smaller than 16.I had bought some 18ga
>> wads but they won't hold tight in the barrel so the pellets were falling
>> back out... I used some wadded up newspaper which worked pretty well. I've
>> ordered some 16ga ones that I'll try next week. On paper it patterns well
>> enough with the newspaper that I ought to be able to take out a turkey out
>> to 20 yards or so. Hopefully with better wads I'll be able to go farther
>> out.
>> -Curt
>>
>>      From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>>  Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:47 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style
>>
>> Speaking of which I was cycling over on Seabrook last week and a 5
>> footer ambled across the road in front of me, going from one pond to
>> another.
>>
>> On a related note regarding eating the local wildlife, there have been
>> lots of turkeys around, I let a coupla boys who work for the power
>> company hunt a coupla weeks ago on the vast estate and they each got one
>> at different times.  Husband of a friend got one too on some of the
>> family property up the road, I was visiting their new baby and he was
>> cooking it up, frying breast chunks, it was quite tasty.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 4/18/17 3:28 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Being me, I would have asked for the tail at least. Good eating there
>>> for a while when added to gumbo.
>>>
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
 http://www.postandcourier.com/ news/alligator-climbs-to-a-
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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[MG via Mercedes]

I beg to differ. In the first place just because something is 
"medicinal" that does not automatically make it harmless. This is 
proven over and over on a daily basis in hospitals.


In the second place, while bismuth is less poisonous than other 
heavy metals, people who are exposed to it daily such as plumbers 
for instance are cautioned to be on the watch for symptoms of 
over exposure. In the case of the aforesaid plumbers it would be 
 from the inhalation of soldering fumes. It can kill you.


Just saying.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto Bismol" has
bismuth.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Not for turkey, that's for waterfowl and not for anything without
removable choke tubes, the steel is mighty hard on the barrel.
If I were going for waterfowl I'd use bismuth shot, heavier and softer
than steel.


Curt

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On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
 wrote:
DO you use steel shot?

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I'll be turkey hunting next week. Got to spend some time with my muzzle
loading shotgun last Tuesday. Bit of a humbling experience, I'd thought it
was an 18 gauge which is unusual but not unheard of. The muzzle measures
.635" which is bigger than 20ga but smaller than 16.I had bought some 18ga
wads but they won't hold tight in the barrel so the pellets were falling
back out... I used some wadded up newspaper which worked pretty well. I've
ordered some 16ga ones that I'll try next week. On paper it patterns well
enough with the newspaper that I ought to be able to take out a turkey out
to 20 yards or so. Hopefully with better wads I'll be able to go farther
out.
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

Speaking of which I was cycling over on Seabrook last week and a 5
footer ambled across the road in front of me, going from one pond to
another.

On a related note regarding eating the local wildlife, there have been
lots of turkeys around, I let a coupla boys who work for the power
company hunt a coupla weeks ago on the vast estate and they each got one
at different times.  Husband of a friend got one too on some of the
family property up the road, I was visiting their new baby and he was
cooking it up, frying breast chunks, it was quite tasty.

--FT


On 4/18/17 3:28 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Being me, I would have asked for the tail at least. Good eating there
for a while when added to gumbo.

Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.postandcourier.com/ news/alligator-climbs-to-a-

second-story-mount-pleasant- porch-through/article_
62f3764c-238a-11e7-9bb4- eb7197b7df98.html


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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal...

Medicinal bismuth sounds better than drug-resistant.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-drug-resistant-bacteria-travel-from-the-farm-to-your-table/

tin.tin

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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Now we're talking.

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> For Wild Turkey, Andrew would hove to visit a different aisle of Giant
> Foods.
> http://wildturkeybourbon.com/
>
> > On April 19, 2017 at 2:50 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That is not wild turkey.
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Re: [MBZ] Sludge!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Didn't somebody buy a frequently maintained diesel Benz from an acquaintance 
and find the decaying remains of the original oil filter in it?
Wilton? Gerry?
Mitch.

> On April 19, 2017 at 2:29 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Quickie oil change? meaning no oil change but a charge and paperwork for 
> an oil change.
> 
> M1?
> 
> > Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> > April 19, 2017 at 11:27 AM
> > Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent an engine from sludging up 
> > apart from "drive it like you stole it"?
> >
> > An older friend has a late model (maybe 3 year old) Dodge Dart that 
> > has been causing him troubles. It has maybe 15K miles on it.
> >
> > Had to have it towed in earlier this week as it would not start. They 
> > have told him that it is so sludged up that it will not run. They are 
> > going to clean out the oilpan and the intake manifold for $600.
> >
> > The car is leased and has had regular oilchanges. I don't think he 
> > ever drives it out of town. Has command start and has been warming it 
> > up all winter before coming for coffee so that likely does not help.
> >
> > Additives? Different oil - might be a problem to change since he takes 
> > it to the dealer.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

For Wild Turkey, Andrew would hove to visit a different aisle of Giant Foods.
http://wildturkeybourbon.com/

> On April 19, 2017 at 2:50 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That is not wild turkey.

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Re: [MBZ] Turkey Hunting Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'm starting small, I've got a starter call. I've listened to a lot of calls 
and can more or less replicate what I've heard. I also understand that calling 
is a matter where "less is more", call a little, take a break. When a bird 
responds call once more and shut up for awhile, make him crazy to find a lady 
friend or run off competition.
Big lead is required for long ranges, since I'm working with smaller shot loads 
(16ga, best I can do is about an ounce and a quarter) I'll need to get a 
shorter range shot. My patterning tests so far indicate I'm good at 20 yards, 
my last shot had 9 pellets in the vital head and neck, my reading suggests 
anything greater than 5 consistently is adequate. With proper 16ga wads I think 
my pattern will tighten up a bit. I think 25 yards will work, will need to test 
some for 30. I certainly won't be getting the 50 yard shots the 3 1/2" magnum 
12ga, extra full choke guys are capable of.
Its an experiment, the turkey tag only cost me $5...
-Curt

  From: Greg Fiorentino 
 To: 'Curt Raymond' ; 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 3:34 PM
 Subject: RE: [MBZ] Turkey Hunting Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style
   
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{}#yiv6735006742 I do not claim to be an expert on turkey hunting, but did have 
the opportunity to partner with one on a couple of hunts. We hunted over decoys 
using calls. Calling works when done expertly, and chases birds away when not 
done expertly. In spring the toms will display to attract the hens. A decoy set 
will include hens and jakes (immature toms). The toms will be PO'd about the 
jakes getting the hens, so may come in to teach the interlopers a lesson. 
According to my wildlife biologist expert, trying to get the toms to come to 
the hens is "fighting nature".  We set up in the treeline near the corner of a 
field. It was not a blind, but we were invisible in full camo with the trees 
behind breaking up our shapes.  On guns and ammo, turkeys need a lot of lead or 
steel where required by law. A 12 ga. magnum is "the right stuff". The head and 
neck are the target, but patterns tend to hit high from a shotgun, so hold for 
the upper chest. If laws allow you to take more than one, remain in your spot 
after taking one and scattering the others. Don't pick up your kill yet. They 
will return soon and you will have the opportunity to take another.  Some 
hunters skin out the breasts and discard the rest. That goes against my desire 
not to waste the sacrifice of the magnificent creature. The legs and thighs of 
a wild turkey can be very tough, but very flavorful. Long and slow braising 
will reward you.  Greg  From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Almost National Bird Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style  
First for both. Maine charges you for the turkey tag and then a fee for each 
bird to the point it wasn't worth it. Mass is a $5 tag, register the birds 
online.  A friend would like some turkeys removed from his backyard so its a 
service to him. The season starts a week from yesterday but I won't be able to 
hunt the first day as I forgot to get my mandatory "don't shoot other hunters" 
safety sticker what must be affixed to the barrel of my gun.  -Curt  From: Greg 
Fiorentino via Mercedes 
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Almost National Bird Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style  
Is this your first turkey hunt, or just the first with the BP shotgun? Keep us 
posted.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley 
McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 

Re: [MBZ] Turkey Hunting Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I love wild turkey leg!  Low and slow, same as brisket.  Low slow 
smoking is superb!



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 2:33 PM
I do not claim to be an expert on turkey hunting, but did have the 
opportunity to partner with one on a couple of hunts. We hunted over 
decoys using calls. Calling works when done expertly, and chases birds 
away when not done expertly. In spring the toms will display to 
attract the hens. A decoy set will include hens and jakes (immature 
toms). The toms will be PO'd about the jakes getting the hens, so may 
come in to teach the interlopers a lesson. According to my wildlife 
biologist expert, trying to get the toms to come to the hens is 
"fighting nature".




We set up in the treeline near the corner of a field. It was not a 
blind, but we were invisible in full camo with the trees behind 
breaking up our shapes.




On guns and ammo, turkeys need a lot of lead or steel where required 
by law. A 12 ga. magnum is "the right stuff". The head and neck are 
the target, but patterns tend to hit high from a shotgun, so hold for 
the upper chest. If laws allow you to take more than one, remain in 
your spot after taking one and scattering the others. Don't pick up 
your kill yet. They will return soon and you will have the opportunity 
to take another.




Some hunters skin out the breasts and discard the rest. That goes 
against my desire not to waste the sacrifice of the magnificent 
creature. The legs and thighs of a wild turkey can be very tough, but 
very flavorful. Long and slow braising will reward you.




Greg



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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Of course!  Consult your veetnamese or pilipino populations for favorite 
Canis familiaris recipies.  They should work just dandy for red fox.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 2:22 PM
No turkeys have been observed in our environs, but we do have a resident
red fox. Are they edible?



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Re: [MBZ] Turkey Hunting Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I was out loading a log onto my trailer 3-4weeks ago using a 
come-along.  Every time I cranked on it it would screech. Crank-screech 
GOBBLEGOBBLE Crank-screech GOBBLEGOBBLE  from out in the woods.  It was 
too funny, went on for some time.  Day or two later I was out early in 
the morning and there was one right up behind the trailer in the woods, 
I don't know if it had determined where the noise had been coming from 
or what but there it was gobbling like crazy.  A few mornings later I 
heard 3 or 4 of them around in the woods gobbling, one I think was out 
on the island. I told this power company boy about them, he and his 
buddy came and he got one right there near where I had heard that one by 
the trailer in front of the house, then the next weekend they came out 
and the buddy got one right up by the driveway where I had seen one 
strutting one morning next to the driveway it had just run across.


The boy said they were out there before sunrise, which is when I was 
hearing them start gobbling right about sunrise.  He said they put out a 
tom and a hen decoy then settled in about 20ft from them.  They had an 
owl call that they used and they stirred up a tom up in a tree, then he 
flew down and saw the tom decoy and went crazy on it which is when the 
boy shot him.  The thing was pretty big and had a beard about 10in long 
(no jokes now!) and extremely sharp spurs.  It was quite beautiful, 
probably was gonna taste good too.


Few days later I had the windows open, woke up hearing a trash truck 
picking up a dumpster at the little housing development a coupla hundred 
yards next door through the woods, the truck dropped the dumpster on the 
ground and it banged loud, which set off 3 or 4 more turkeys to 
gobbling!  It was pretty funny.  I guess they are primed for these 
sounds.  I have not heard any since, maybe I am just not hearing them or 
maybe they have moved on.  I have seen some flocks up the road right 
near the road in open areas, so there are lots of the things still around.


--FT


On 4/19/17 3:33 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

I do not claim to be an expert on turkey hunting, but did have the opportunity to partner 
with one on a couple of hunts. We hunted over decoys using calls. Calling works when done 
expertly, and chases birds away when not done expertly. In spring the toms will display 
to attract the hens. A decoy set will include hens and jakes (immature toms). The toms 
will be PO'd about the jakes getting the hens, so may come in to teach the interlopers a 
lesson. According to my wildlife biologist expert, trying to get the toms to come to the 
hens is "fighting nature".

  


We set up in the treeline near the corner of a field. It was not a blind, but 
we were invisible in full camo with the trees behind breaking up our shapes.

  


On guns and ammo, turkeys need a lot of lead or steel where required by law. A 12 ga. 
magnum is "the right stuff". The head and neck are the target, but patterns 
tend to hit high from a shotgun, so hold for the upper chest. If laws allow you to take 
more than one, remain in your spot after taking one and scattering the others. Don't pick 
up your kill yet. They will return soon and you will have the opportunity to take another.

  


Some hunters skin out the breasts and discard the rest. That goes against my 
desire not to waste the sacrifice of the magnificent creature. The legs and 
thighs of a wild turkey can be very tough, but very flavorful. Long and slow 
braising will reward you.

  


Greg

  


From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Almost National Bird Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

  


First for both. Maine charges you for the turkey tag and then a fee for each 
bird to the point it wasn't worth it. Mass is a $5 tag, register the birds 
online.

  


A friend would like some turkeys removed from his backyard so its a service to him. The 
season starts a week from yesterday but I won't be able to hunt the first day as I forgot 
to get my mandatory "don't shoot other hunters" safety sticker what must be 
affixed to the barrel of my gun.

  


-Curt

  


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From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Almost National Bird Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

  


Is this your first turkey hunt, or just the first with the BP shotgun? Keep us 
posted.

Greg

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley 
McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: [MBZ] Almost National Bird Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

Good luck!  BP is fun.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes  April 18,
2017 at 6:12 PM I'll be turkey hunting next week. Got to spend

Re: [MBZ] Turkey Hunting Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I do not claim to be an expert on turkey hunting, but did have the opportunity 
to partner with one on a couple of hunts. We hunted over decoys using calls. 
Calling works when done expertly, and chases birds away when not done expertly. 
In spring the toms will display to attract the hens. A decoy set will include 
hens and jakes (immature toms). The toms will be PO'd about the jakes getting 
the hens, so may come in to teach the interlopers a lesson. According to my 
wildlife biologist expert, trying to get the toms to come to the hens is 
"fighting nature".

 

We set up in the treeline near the corner of a field. It was not a blind, but 
we were invisible in full camo with the trees behind breaking up our shapes.

 

On guns and ammo, turkeys need a lot of lead or steel where required by law. A 
12 ga. magnum is "the right stuff". The head and neck are the target, but 
patterns tend to hit high from a shotgun, so hold for the upper chest. If laws 
allow you to take more than one, remain in your spot after taking one and 
scattering the others. Don't pick up your kill yet. They will return soon and 
you will have the opportunity to take another.

 

Some hunters skin out the breasts and discard the rest. That goes against my 
desire not to waste the sacrifice of the magnificent creature. The legs and 
thighs of a wild turkey can be very tough, but very flavorful. Long and slow 
braising will reward you.

 

Greg

 

From: Curt Raymond [mailto:curtlud...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:57 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Greg Fiorentino
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Almost National Bird Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

 

First for both. Maine charges you for the turkey tag and then a fee for each 
bird to the point it wasn't worth it. Mass is a $5 tag, register the birds 
online.

 

A friend would like some turkeys removed from his backyard so its a service to 
him. The season starts a week from yesterday but I won't be able to hunt the 
first day as I forgot to get my mandatory "don't shoot other hunters" safety 
sticker what must be affixed to the barrel of my gun.

 

-Curt

 

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To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'  
Cc: Greg Fiorentino 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Almost National Bird Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

 

Is this your first turkey hunt, or just the first with the BP shotgun? Keep us 
posted.

Greg

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McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 5:28 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: [MBZ] Almost National Bird Wuz: OT Land Shark - low country style

Good luck!  BP is fun.

> Curt Raymond via Mercedes  April 18, 
> 2017 at 6:12 PM I'll be turkey hunting next week. Got to spend some 
> time with my muzzle loading shotgun last Tuesday. Bit of a humbling 
> experience, I'd thought it was an 18 gauge which is unusual but not 
> unheard of. The muzzle measures .635" which is bigger than 20ga but 
> smaller than 16.I had bought some 18ga wads but they won't hold tight 
> in the barrel so the pellets were falling back out... I used some 
> wadded up newspaper which worked pretty well. I've ordered some 16ga 
> ones that I'll try next week. On paper it patterns well enough with 
> the newspaper that I ought to be able to take out a turkey out to 20 
> yards or so. Hopefully with better wads I'll be able to go farther 
> out.
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No turkeys have been observed in our environs, but we do have a resident
red fox.  Are they edible?

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> LOL!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:42 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style
>
> I'm glad you asked.
>
> I stalk the poultry section of the local Giant, and then pounce when
> turkey breasts (fresh OR frozen) go on sale.  I then proceed with stealth
> to the checkout line so as not to arouse any angry males ("toms"), pay with
> a credit card and affinity card to obtain the maximum discount, and then
> make my escape into the sunny outdoors.  Not for the faint of heart, but
> the thrill of the hunt makes it all worthwhile.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > So, Andrew, how often do you go turkey hunting?  Should be easy as
> > standin' on a corner where you live.   Curious minds want to know:  What
> do
> > you use for turkey huntin'?   What technique do you use?  Sit in a Blind
> > and call em in?  Crawl up to em on yer belly, injun style?   Use Pepto
> > bismol as bait?  Live trap?  Other methods?
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >> April 19, 2017 at 12:35 PM
> >> And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto
> >> Bismol" has bismuth.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

LOL!

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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

I'm glad you asked.

I stalk the poultry section of the local Giant, and then pounce when turkey 
breasts (fresh OR frozen) go on sale.  I then proceed with stealth to the 
checkout line so as not to arouse any angry males ("toms"), pay with a credit 
card and affinity card to obtain the maximum discount, and then make my escape 
into the sunny outdoors.  Not for the faint of heart, but the thrill of the 
hunt makes it all worthwhile.





On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So, Andrew, how often do you go turkey hunting?  Should be easy as
> standin' on a corner where you live.   Curious minds want to know:  What do
> you use for turkey huntin'?   What technique do you use?  Sit in a Blind
> and call em in?  Crawl up to em on yer belly, injun style?   Use Pepto
> bismol as bait?  Live trap?  Other methods?
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> April 19, 2017 at 12:35 PM
>> And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto 
>> Bismol" has bismuth.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is not wild turkey.   There are two kinds of wild turkeys to hunt 
in the MD, DC, VA area:  the kind the have feathers, and the kind that 
get goobermnt paychecks and should be tarred and feathered.  In 1817, 
they would have been.  The second kind are quite prolific  in your 
neighborhood.  GO after 'em.



Andrew Strasfogel 
April 19, 2017 at 1:42 PM
I'm glad you asked.

I stalk the poultry section of the local Giant, and then pounce when 
turkey breasts (fresh OR frozen) go on sale.  I then proceed with 
stealth to the checkout line so as not to arouse any angry males 
("toms"), pay with a credit card and affinity card to obtain the 
maximum discount, and then make my escape into the sunny outdoors.  
Not for the faint of heart, but the thrill of the hunt makes it all 
worthwhile.







Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 12:35 PM
And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto Bismol" has
bismuth.

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
April 18, 2017 at 10:06 PM
Not for turkey, that's for waterfowl and not for anything without 
removable choke tubes, the steel is mighty hard on the barrel.If I 
were going for waterfowl I'd use bismuth shot, heavier and softer than 
steel.


Curt

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On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Andrew 
Strasfogel wrote: DO you use steel shot?


On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I'll be turkey hunting next week. Got to spend some time with my 
muzzle loading shotgun last Tuesday. Bit of a humbling experience, I'd 
thought it was an 18 gauge which is unusual but not unheard of. The 
muzzle measures .635" which is bigger than 20ga but smaller than 16.I 
had bought some 18ga wads but they won't hold tight in the barrel so 
the pellets were falling back out... I used some wadded up newspaper 
which worked pretty well. I've ordered some 16ga ones that I'll try 
next week. On paper it patterns well enough with the newspaper that I 
ought to be able to take out a turkey out to 20 yards or so. Hopefully 
with better wads I'll be able to go farther out.

-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

Speaking of which I was cycling over on Seabrook last week and a 5
footer ambled across the road in front of me, going from one pond to
another.

On a related note regarding eating the local wildlife, there have been
lots of turkeys around, I let a coupla boys who work for the power
company hunt a coupla weeks ago on the vast estate and they each got one
at different times.  Husband of a friend got one too on some of the
family property up the road, I was visiting their new baby and he was
cooking it up, frying breast chunks, it was quite tasty.

--FT


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large or petty,

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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
April 18, 2017 at 8:50 PM
DO you use steel shot?

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
April 18, 2017 at 6:12 PM
I'll be turkey hunting next week. Got to spend some time with my 
muzzle loading shotgun last Tuesday. Bit of a humbling experience, I'd 
thought it was an 18 gauge which is unusual but not unheard of. The 
muzzle measures .635" which is bigger than 20ga but smaller than 16.I 
had bought some 18ga wads but they won't hold tight in the barrel so 

Re: [MBZ] Sludge!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think he's going to have to learn to actually drive his car... Does the 
dealership do his oil changes? I wonder if he's getting conventional oil. His 
usage profile is definitely what I would call "severe duty".
-Curt

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Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 12:27 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Sludge!
   
Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent an engine from sludging up apart 
from "drive it like you stole it"?

An older friend has a late model (maybe 3 year old) Dodge Dart that has 
been causing him troubles. It has maybe 15K miles on it.

Had to have it towed in earlier this week as it would not start. They 
have told him that it is so sludged up that it will not run. They are 
going to clean out the oilpan and the intake manifold for $600.

The car is leased and has had regular oilchanges. I don't think he ever 
drives it out of town. Has command start and has been warming it up all 
winter before coming for coffee so that likely does not help.

Additives? Different oil - might be a problem to change since he takes 
it to the dealer.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm glad you asked.

I stalk the poultry section of the local Giant, and then pounce when turkey
breasts (fresh OR frozen) go on sale.  I then proceed with stealth to the
checkout line so as not to arouse any angry males ("toms"), pay with a
credit card and affinity card to obtain the maximum discount, and then make
my escape into the sunny outdoors.  Not for the faint of heart, but the
thrill of the hunt makes it all worthwhile.





On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So, Andrew, how often do you go turkey hunting?  Should be easy as
> standin' on a corner where you live.   Curious minds want to know:  What do
> you use for turkey huntin'?   What technique do you use?  Sit in a Blind
> and call em in?  Crawl up to em on yer belly, injun style?   Use Pepto
> bismol as bait?  Live trap?  Other methods?
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> April 19, 2017 at 12:35 PM
>> And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto Bismol" has
>> bismuth.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

So, Andrew, how often do you go turkey hunting?  Should be easy as 
standin' on a corner where you live.   Curious minds want to know:  What 
do you use for turkey huntin'?   What technique do you use?  Sit in a 
Blind and call em in?  Crawl up to em on yer belly, injun style?   Use 
Pepto bismol as bait?  Live trap?  Other methods?



Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 12:35 PM
And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto Bismol" has
bismuth.


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Re: [MBZ] Sludge!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Quickie oil change? meaning no oil change but a charge and paperwork for 
an oil change.


M1?


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 11:27 AM
Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent an engine from sludging up 
apart from "drive it like you stole it"?


An older friend has a late model (maybe 3 year old) Dodge Dart that 
has been causing him troubles. It has maybe 15K miles on it.


Had to have it towed in earlier this week as it would not start. They 
have told him that it is so sludged up that it will not run. They are 
going to clean out the oilpan and the intake manifold for $600.


The car is leased and has had regular oilchanges. I don't think he 
ever drives it out of town. Has command start and has been warming it 
up all winter before coming for coffee so that likely does not help.


Additives? Different oil - might be a problem to change since he takes 
it to the dealer.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Or almost as good a law that sez states must comply with fed 
lawsOOPS!  that already exists  Hmmm .  Maybe it needs to 
say that states must also comply with runaway regulations from unelected 
regulators (who stay there in their cushy job for life)



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
April 19, 2017 at 10:40 AM
Article says no mention of bringing that engine to 'Merica. Guess we'll
have to lobby for changes to emission standards so we can get it. Maybe
encourage Kalifornia to secede from the Union and then our cars won't be
ruled by CARB idiocy?

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] BDub dizzels

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Pictures or it didn't happen. :)

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Now, there will be two Moonrock silver Beatles with beige tops and
> interiors in town, and they will both be in my driveway!
> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
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Re: [MBZ] BDub dizzels

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

In my case, the buyback is going to cover all but $1000 of the OTD price.  
Basically, this means that I am able to upgrade  my 2014 with a brand-new 2015 
for $1000!  Of course, I could get a blah gray color Beetle with a black 
interior and top within 40 miles of me, but I don't like the black top and 
seats since they get   so hot in the sun!! Now, there will be two Moonrock 
silver Beatles with beige tops and interiors in town, and they will both be in 
my driveway!
Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

Sent from my cell   

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>  wrote:
> 
>> On 19/04/2017 10:37 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://jalopnik.com/you-can-now-buy-brand-new-tdi-volkswagens-with-crazy-di-1794431334
>>  
>> 
>> 
> I don't see the discount as being anywhere near big enough.
> 
> One would be buying a new car that is heading for 3 years old. Depreciation 
> on a new car is greater than what they are offering.
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

And bismuth is not only harmless, it's medicinal, as in "Pepto Bismol" has
bismuth.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Not for turkey, that's for waterfowl and not for anything without
> removable choke tubes, the steel is mighty hard on the barrel.
> If I were going for waterfowl I'd use bismuth shot, heavier and softer
> than steel.
>
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
>  wrote:
> DO you use steel shot?
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I'll be turkey hunting next week. Got to spend some time with my muzzle
> loading shotgun last Tuesday. Bit of a humbling experience, I'd thought it
> was an 18 gauge which is unusual but not unheard of. The muzzle measures
> .635" which is bigger than 20ga but smaller than 16.I had bought some 18ga
> wads but they won't hold tight in the barrel so the pellets were falling
> back out... I used some wadded up newspaper which worked pretty well. I've
> ordered some 16ga ones that I'll try next week. On paper it patterns well
> enough with the newspaper that I ought to be able to take out a turkey out
> to 20 yards or so. Hopefully with better wads I'll be able to go farther
> out.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>  Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:47 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Land Shark - low country style
>
> Speaking of which I was cycling over on Seabrook last week and a 5
> footer ambled across the road in front of me, going from one pond to
> another.
>
> On a related note regarding eating the local wildlife, there have been
> lots of turkeys around, I let a coupla boys who work for the power
> company hunt a coupla weeks ago on the vast estate and they each got one
> at different times.  Husband of a friend got one too on some of the
> family property up the road, I was visiting their new baby and he was
> cooking it up, frying breast chunks, it was quite tasty.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 4/18/17 3:28 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> > Being me, I would have asked for the tail at least. Good eating there
> > for a while when added to gumbo.
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> http://www.postandcourier.com/ news/alligator-climbs-to-a-
> second-story-mount-pleasant- porch-through/article_
> 62f3764c-238a-11e7-9bb4- eb7197b7df98.html
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Re: [MBZ] Sludge!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds like the engine is not getting up to operating temperature.
Thermostat faulty?  Drive it for at least 30 minutes once a week?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent an engine from sludging up apart
> from "drive it like you stole it"?
>
> An older friend has a late model (maybe 3 year old) Dodge Dart that has
> been causing him troubles. It has maybe 15K miles on it.
>
> Had to have it towed in earlier this week as it would not start. They have
> told him that it is so sludged up that it will not run. They are going to
> clean out the oilpan and the intake manifold for $600.
>
> The car is leased and has had regular oilchanges. I don't think he ever
> drives it out of town. Has command start and has been warming it up all
> winter before coming for coffee so that likely does not help.
>
> Additives? Different oil - might be a problem to change since he takes it
> to the dealer.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] BDub dizzels

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/04/2017 10:37 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
https://jalopnik.com/you-can-now-buy-brand-new-tdi-volkswagens-with-crazy-di-1794431334 





I don't see the discount as being anywhere near big enough.

One would be buying a new car that is heading for 3 years old. 
Depreciation on a new car is greater than what they are offering.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The problem with the Vega engine design was the block was some new fancy
silicone aluminum, and the head was cast iron.. the coolant was some
special miracle material that was supposed to last forever...

What happened however was a dis-similar metals reaction between the exotic
aluminum and the cast iron head accelerated by the coolant and the low
clamping pressure of the head bolts [couldn't clamp the head on tight
enough without pulling the threads in the aluminum block.. This caused
erosion of the head gasket area on the block, followed by head gasket
failure, followed by engine overheating when the fancy coolant went out the
tail pipe while the unsuspecting public drove down the road.. thus, total
engine toast failure..

This happened rather quickly in a lot of cases. I owned one that was given
to me free, post failure.. I bored the cylinders out to accept steel
sleeves with flange at the top which resolved the block erosion. I then
drove it like I stole it for another 80,000 miles with zero issues. Removed
that engine, sold it to another Vega owner with block failure, then
replaced it with a V6 and 5 speed out of a later Cheby product wrecked
car.. and then really drove it like I stole it


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> The M119 has that, and I am sure other newer engines. The 119 is quite
> robust.
>
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> > Uh,Oh. No steel cylinder liner? Aluminum cylinder? Wasn't it the
> CHevette that tried that with a high silicone etched aluminum block? Or am
> I out of date on cylinder technology?
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Re: [MBZ] Key shtuff.

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Is the key issue something that all Mercedes potentially suffer or it is 
more likely with certain models?


My old 76 115 300D likely has the original ignition cylinder. I have 
never experienced any issues with it that would indicate a problem but I 
cannot say that I want to suffer like Fred.


I periodically have an issue getting the driver door to lock. Seems to 
help if I close it harder.


RB

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[MBZ] Sludge!

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent an engine from sludging up apart 
from "drive it like you stole it"?


An older friend has a late model (maybe 3 year old) Dodge Dart that has 
been causing him troubles. It has maybe 15K miles on it.


Had to have it towed in earlier this week as it would not start. They 
have told him that it is so sludged up that it will not run. They are 
going to clean out the oilpan and the intake manifold for $600.


The car is leased and has had regular oilchanges. I don't think he ever 
drives it out of town. Has command start and has been warming it up all 
winter before coming for coffee so that likely does not help.


Additives? Different oil - might be a problem to change since he takes 
it to the dealer.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The M119 has that, and I am sure other newer engines. The 119 is quite robust.

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> Floyd Thursby wrote:
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>> https://jalopnik.com/the-inline-six-engine-is-back-for-mercedes-benz-1794424745
> 
> Uh,Oh. No steel cylinder liner? Aluminum cylinder? Wasn't it the CHevette 
> that tried that with a high silicone etched aluminum block? Or am I out of 
> date on cylinder technology?
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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The Vega had like a 1 gallon cooling system and "lifetime" coolant which didn't 
help overheating issues...
-Curt

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On 19/04/2017 10:10 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Floyd Thursby wrote:
>
>> https://jalopnik.com/the-inline-six-engine-is-back-for-mercedes-benz-1794424745
> Uh,Oh. No steel cylinder liner? Aluminum cylinder? Wasn't it the CHevette 
> that tried that with a high silicone etched aluminum block? Or am I out of 
> date on cylinder technology?
> Gerry
>
>
Vega rather than Chevette.

Was mostly a problem where you folks are. If they overheated, they were 
toast. I had a new Vega in 1974. Only drove it about 54K miles before 
swapping it but the engine had no issues here for me in the cold GWN.

However, that was the era of recycled steel and I had holes in both 
front fenders within 18 months. To their credit, GM did replace the 
fenders for me.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

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On 19/04/2017 10:10 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd Thursby wrote:


https://jalopnik.com/the-inline-six-engine-is-back-for-mercedes-benz-1794424745

Uh,Oh. No steel cylinder liner? Aluminum cylinder? Wasn't it the CHevette that 
tried that with a high silicone etched aluminum block? Or am I out of date on 
cylinder technology?
Gerry



Vega rather than Chevette.

Was mostly a problem where you folks are. If they overheated, they were 
toast. I had a new Vega in 1974. Only drove it about 54K miles before 
swapping it but the engine had no issues here for me in the cold GWN.


However, that was the era of recycled steel and I had holes in both 
front fenders within 18 months. To their credit, GM did replace the 
fenders for me.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

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Article says no mention of bringing that engine to 'Merica.  Guess we'll
have to lobby for changes to emission standards so we can get it.  Maybe
encourage Kalifornia to secede from the Union and then our cars won't be
ruled by CARB idiocy?

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Max
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[MBZ] BDub dizzels

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https://jalopnik.com/you-can-now-buy-brand-new-tdi-volkswagens-with-crazy-di-1794431334


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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

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Floyd Thursby wrote:

> https://jalopnik.com/the-inline-six-engine-is-back-for-mercedes-benz-1794424745

Uh,Oh. No steel cylinder liner? Aluminum cylinder? Wasn't it the CHevette that 
tried that with a high silicone etched aluminum block? Or am I out of date on 
cylinder technology?
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Re: [MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

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Interesting

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> -- 
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] MB attempts to build new rodbender

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https://jalopnik.com/the-inline-six-engine-is-back-for-mercedes-benz-1794424745


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Re: [MBZ] 1979 RARE MERCEDES BENZ 300D DIESEL MUST SEE ANTIQUE CLASSIC WOW CLEAN $6499

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Katy, TX, a bit higher end on the scam scale

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On 4/18/17 8:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Hous ton ...  home of the car scammers, and nigerian scammers.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
April 18, 2017 at 6:56 PM

1979 RARE MERCEDES BENZ 300D DIESEL MUST SEE ANTIQUE CLASSIC WOW CLEAN
http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/6093561112.html


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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking early 560

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks nice, prob not $3500 nice but somewhere toward that number.  I 
like the colors.


--R


On 4/18/17 9:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Seems to have been well maintained and the dude sounds honest.  I would
offer $2K if I wanted to buy it.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



Mercedes 560 SEL 1986 w126
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/6080176275.html

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