[MBZ] That 280E yuro 123 in Chitcago...(SW Burbs)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You can buy it for $1500.  It is a pretty nice car for that price.  
Holler of ya want pictures.  It is gruen, and nice lookin'.


Mao will probably make a deal to drive it out to you.  It is maybe 30 
miles from his house.


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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 Your numbers are pure fantasy. You need to come down to earth.

On Jun 19, 2017 10:25 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> For $500 I would have shipped a good one to you
>
> No you have wasted a day and you will still pay $375, probably with
> freight added.
>
> $375
> + 8 hr X $50.hr = $400
> + freight?
> = $775 +
>
> All to save from paying me $500.
>
> Yeah, I know:  " a million here, a few million there, it is all pencil
> dust"  The  Dishonorable Senator Tom Harkin (D) Bermuda.
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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

For $500 I would have shipped a good one to you

No you have wasted a day and you will still pay $375, probably with 
freight added.


$375
+ 8 hr X $50.hr = $400
+ freight?
= $775 +

All to save from paying me $500.

Yeah, I know:  " a million here, a few million there, it is all pencil 
dust"  The  Dishonorable Senator Tom Harkin (D) Bermuda.



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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> Thanks for proving my point, Kurlie.

Good one!!
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Slight oil leak

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Condition: Salvage. (can't accuse them of false advertising)

> On June 19, 2017 at 7:02 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 1991 MERCEDES BENZ
> http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/6180181160.html
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[MBZ] Slight oil leak

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1991 MERCEDES BENZ
http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/6180181160.html

via cPro for Craigslist
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[MBZ] Little girl

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https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/6183874879.html


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

Man, wish I could have "pony'd" up to this "foxy" lady!

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> This time-warp, retro "classic" resides in DC.  Fascinating window into the
> latest in early 80s technology and luxury.  How many barrels of crude were
> sacrificed to craft so many aces of faux wood?
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-lincoln-continental/
>
> I doubt this will crash through the $7500 barrier.
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Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Exactly.  I contacted the seller and addressed his pricing.  He admitted that 
he was “asking high” so he “had room to negotiate.”  I pointed out that pricing 
his car outrageously high would drive off a lot o potential buyers up front.  
He had started out at $8000, so he lowered his asking price to $7700.

Some concession.

I may go look at it later this week if I have time.  There are a couple other 
prospects I’m considering, and I’m also considering just sitting out for a 
month or so before I get serious.  Not sure what I’m going to do….

-D



> On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A 97 should be about $3-4K. A really like new clean one with low mikes maybe 
> $5k on a good day.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, but given the choice if I went diesel I would rather have a turbo.  
>> There are a couple 97 non-turbos in the local market, but people seem to 
>> think they're made of some sort of precious metal.  I talked to this seller 
>> last week:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6173396562.html
>> 
>> It sounds like a really nice car - one owner, service records, 108k on the 
>> clock, etc., etc., but $7700???  I don't see how. Maybe, just maybe I could 
>> see $5k.  But not $7700. Funny thing, he agreed with me, but he still wants 
>> that price.
>> 
>> Or am I being unrealistic?  I don't see him getting that kind of money for 
>> this car, especially since it's a bare bones model, too - it even has MBTex, 
>> not leather as he describes in the ad (I pulled the data card on it.)
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No reason to avoid a 97 non turbo. You already have one in the 124.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 Not sure if I put the word out or not, so if I'm repeating myself just 
 chalk it up to my advancing age...
 
 Since the 1994 S420 went the way of the big Coparts auction, I'm looking 
 for a later model suitable for his use.  This would be a nice E320 W210 
 from 1998 through 2001/2, or whenever they stopped making them.  A 
 1998-2000 diesel would be ideal (1997 was non-turbo, something I would 
 like to avoid) but an M112 gasser would be just fine, too.
 
 I know many of these cars suffered from the tinworm, so cars from north of 
 the Mason-Dixon Line are probably not candidates.
 
 Lots of E320s down here, but many beaters.  I want a nice one and am 
 willing to pay. 4Matic would be icing on the cake, but not required.
 
 If you see something locally let me know. I'll travel/transport for the 
 right car.  I've got roughly three months to find a car, so time is on my 
 side. Just wanted to put this out there so people would be aware in case 
 they see something.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I will offer you mine for the low low price of $1000 and for that you 
get FREE SHIPPING!!!


Act now, this offer won't last!

I took some pics, my phone is misbehaving to send mails for some reason 
not clear, and getting the pics onto this computer if I can't email them 
is also problematic


On 6/19/17 1:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I actually found a decent one for $100. The catch was that the junkyard
didn't deliver, so I would have had to drive 6 hours in a car missing a
rear bumper in order to pick it up. LOL :-(

On Jun 19, 2017 1:50 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


A few years back SWMBO was stopped at a light in the 300TD when a full
size motorcycle drove into her at speed. The motorcycle was totaled, but
luckily the rider was not seriously hurt. The rear bumper was imperceptibly
dented in the center. She did not want to bother to make a claim, so I
offered to do the work. I went to the shop where the adjuster held court
once a week. I received a check for $1,700.00 for the surface scuff on the
rear hatch where the rider's helmet hit the rear hatch and $1,100.00 for
the cost of a USED replacement bumper since new were NLA! ELEVEN HUNDRED
DOLLARS!

It was just before Christmas too.

Greg

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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

My rear bumper literally fell off  the bumper shocks this afternoon with
no warning and I was unable to shove it back one.  I've been told this is
not repairable and if this is true then need to replace it.  I have a used
spare front bumper, but no rear, alas...

My first hope is that someone in this community has a spare rear bumper,
but failing that, are there any junkyards that still sell used W123 parts?

Andrew
1983 300TD  SAD
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Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

A 97 should be about $3-4K. A really like new clean one with low mikes maybe 
$5k on a good day.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, but given the choice if I went diesel I would rather have a turbo.  
> There are a couple 97 non-turbos in the local market, but people seem to 
> think they're made of some sort of precious metal.  I talked to this seller 
> last week:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6173396562.html
> 
> It sounds like a really nice car - one owner, service records, 108k on the 
> clock, etc., etc., but $7700???  I don't see how. Maybe, just maybe I could 
> see $5k.  But not $7700. Funny thing, he agreed with me, but he still wants 
> that price.
> 
> Or am I being unrealistic?  I don't see him getting that kind of money for 
> this car, especially since it's a bare bones model, too - it even has MBTex, 
> not leather as he describes in the ad (I pulled the data card on it.)
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No reason to avoid a 97 non turbo. You already have one in the 124.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not sure if I put the word out or not, so if I'm repeating myself just 
>>> chalk it up to my advancing age...
>>> 
>>> Since the 1994 S420 went the way of the big Coparts auction, I'm looking 
>>> for a later model suitable for his use.  This would be a nice E320 W210 
>>> from 1998 through 2001/2, or whenever they stopped making them.  A 
>>> 1998-2000 diesel would be ideal (1997 was non-turbo, something I would like 
>>> to avoid) but an M112 gasser would be just fine, too.
>>> 
>>> I know many of these cars suffered from the tinworm, so cars from north of 
>>> the Mason-Dixon Line are probably not candidates.
>>> 
>>> Lots of E320s down here, but many beaters.  I want a nice one and am 
>>> willing to pay. 4Matic would be icing on the cake, but not required.
>>> 
>>> If you see something locally let me know. I'll travel/transport for the 
>>> right car.  I've got roughly three months to find a car, so time is on my 
>>> side. Just wanted to put this out there so people would be aware in case 
>>> they see something.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I drilled the bumper on my 83 240D and ran screws through it and the mount. 
With the screws countersunk they would have been hidden my the trim, if I'd 
ever reinstalled it...

Curt

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  On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes wrote:   My son went hunting with a friend who 
has a late model Dodge Ram truck. 
Nice black truck with leather interior etc.
The friend, while driving it through the bush, caught the front bumper 
on something when turning around and pretty much ripped it off.
Not a problem. He used his cordless impact and some drywall screws to 
re-attach it.

Got to think ourside the box.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well, if I were a welder..

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My son went hunting with a friend who has a late model Dodge Ram truck.
> Nice black truck with leather interior etc.
> The friend, while driving it through the bush, caught the front bumper on
> something when turning around and pretty much ripped it off.
> Not a problem. He used his cordless impact and some drywall screws to
> re-attach it.
>
> Got to think ourside the box.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My son went hunting with a friend who has a late model Dodge Ram truck. 
Nice black truck with leather interior etc.
The friend, while driving it through the bush, caught the front bumper 
on something when turning around and pretty much ripped it off.
Not a problem. He used his cordless impact and some drywall screws to 
re-attach it.


Got to think ourside the box.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

And, don't forget that when he gets there, he may find the offerd bumper 
to be junk.


RB

On 19/06/2017 3:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Lessee: Bumper: $100
  Driving 6 Hr@60mph= 360 miles x whazza IRS rate? 
57¢/mile? = $207.20
   Andrew's time:  $50/hr give or take, cuz we don't know 
his pay grade = $300
TOTAL: $607.20  vs paying me $500.  Yep! he is saving money, almost 
goobermnt style.  To make it goobermnt style, he's need to add afew 
zeros behind the $607.




Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM

Why would you worry about driving the car without a rear bumper?
It has obviously been of no real value for some time, or it would not 
have just fallen off.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks for proving my point, Kurlie.  BTW, I have two offers on the table
for < $375.00

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Lessee:  Bumper: $100
>   Driving 6 Hr@60mph= 360 miles x whazza IRS rate?  57¢/mile?
> = $207.20
>Andrew's time:  $50/hr give or take, cuz we don't know his
> pay grade = $300
> TOTAL: $607.20  vs paying me $500.  Yep! he is saving money, almost
> goobermnt style.  To make it goobermnt style, he's need to add afew zeros
> behind the $607.
>
>
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> June 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM
>>
>> Why would you worry about driving the car without a rear bumper?
>> It has obviously been of no real value for some time, or it would not
>> have just fallen off.
>>
>> RB
>>
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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Lessee:  Bumper: $100
  Driving 6 Hr@60mph= 360 miles x whazza IRS rate?  
57¢/mile? = $207.20
   Andrew's time:  $50/hr give or take, cuz we don't know 
his pay grade = $300
TOTAL: $607.20  vs paying me $500.  Yep! he is saving money, almost 
goobermnt style.  To make it goobermnt style, he's need to add afew 
zeros behind the $607.




Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 1:41 PM

Why would you worry about driving the car without a rear bumper?
It has obviously been of no real value for some time, or it would not 
have just fallen off.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

True on you.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 1:35 PM

No one is going to want it.
From what I hear, it is so diapitated, that the back bumper quite 
literally fell off.

Probably not even good for parts.



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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

IE - PL Premium
comes in a tube like caulking and found down at Home Depot or Lowes etc.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Loctite-PL-Premium-10-fl-oz-Polyurethane-Construction-Adhesive-1390595/202020473

RB

On 19/06/2017 2:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Get some construction adhesive, clean off the old glue, smear some construction 
adhesive on the pads, put the bumper in place. Use ratchet straps to hold it on 
until the adhesive sets. Good as new.
-Curt


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Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

The bumper was normal one minute, on the pavement the next.  Since the

backup lights are integral to the bumper I cannot legally drive without it
- let alone for 6 hours!

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 19/06/2017 12:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


I actually found a decent one for $100. The catch was that the junkyard
didn't deliver, so I would have had to drive 6 hours in a car missing a
rear bumper in order to pick it up. LOL :-(

Why would you worry about driving the car without a rear bumper?

It has obviously been of no real value for some time, or it would not have
just fallen off.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Get some construction adhesive, clean off the old glue, smear some construction 
adhesive on the pads, put the bumper in place. Use ratchet straps to hold it on 
until the adhesive sets. Good as new.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 3:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD
   
The bumper was normal one minute, on the pavement the next.  Since the
backup lights are integral to the bumper I cannot legally drive without it
- let alone for 6 hours!

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 19/06/2017 12:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I actually found a decent one for $100. The catch was that the junkyard
>> didn't deliver, so I would have had to drive 6 hours in a car missing a
>> rear bumper in order to pick it up. LOL :-(
>>
>> Why would you worry about driving the car without a rear bumper?
> It has obviously been of no real value for some time, or it would not have
> just fallen off.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The car is awesome and not for sale.  Eat your heart out.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 19/06/2017 12:30 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> No, Andrew will be making a club out of a tree with only wooden or rock
>> tools, and moving to a cave near the swamp.His other wagon is now
>> available to the first taker.
>>
>>
>> No one is going to want it.
> From what I hear, it is so diapitated, that the back bumper quite
> literally fell off.
> Probably not even good for parts.
>
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The bumper was normal one minute, on the pavement the next.  Since the
backup lights are integral to the bumper I cannot legally drive without it
- let alone for 6 hours!

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 19/06/2017 12:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I actually found a decent one for $100. The catch was that the junkyard
>> didn't deliver, so I would have had to drive 6 hours in a car missing a
>> rear bumper in order to pick it up. LOL :-(
>>
>> Why would you worry about driving the car without a rear bumper?
> It has obviously been of no real value for some time, or it would not have
> just fallen off.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I got a title for it, but it is for an 87 Ford Ranger pickup.  I presume 
the real title burned up with the key and this is what the guy had and 
gave to the guy I bought it from.  I'm not sure how I could get a title 
or a bill of sale (I suppose I could do that but the guy doesn't have 
the title for the car he sold me) but I could probably get a BoS from 
the guy I bought it from and maybe that would keep the MB gods happy.


BTW I think the last key I got from the stealer for an SD was like $35 
or 50 if I recall.  Whatever it was, it seemed way high to me but what 
do i know.


-_FT


On 6/19/17 1:41 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Good point. A hard key for these should cost you less than $20 at a stealer, more like 
$12-$15 unless they're giving you the "MBCA discount".

-D


On Jun 19, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

Personally, I'd get a key from the stealer.  That way if it is junked, you have 
a complete sent of locks and keys to sell for $$$ in place of a couple door 
handles for $10 each.
Or, if someone gets the car, then it is worth more with a working key, lock and 
steering lock.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 12:18 PM

So, I had the right idea, but the wrong implementation?
If you don't need to unlock the steering wheel, non-destructive removal of the 
ignition switch and using a screwdriver for a switch knob does indeed sound 
much easier than anything else.


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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/06/2017 12:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I actually found a decent one for $100. The catch was that the junkyard
didn't deliver, so I would have had to drive 6 hours in a car missing a
rear bumper in order to pick it up. LOL :-(


Why would you worry about driving the car without a rear bumper?
It has obviously been of no real value for some time, or it would not 
have just fallen off.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/06/2017 12:30 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
No, Andrew will be making a club out of a tree with only wooden or 
rock tools, and moving to a cave near the swamp.His other wagon is 
now available to the first taker.




No one is going to want it.
From what I hear, it is so diapitated, that the back bumper quite 
literally fell off.

Probably not even good for parts.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I actually found a decent one for $100. The catch was that the junkyard
didn't deliver, so I would have had to drive 6 hours in a car missing a
rear bumper in order to pick it up. LOL :-(

On Jun 19, 2017 1:50 PM, "Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A few years back SWMBO was stopped at a light in the 300TD when a full
> size motorcycle drove into her at speed. The motorcycle was totaled, but
> luckily the rider was not seriously hurt. The rear bumper was imperceptibly
> dented in the center. She did not want to bother to make a claim, so I
> offered to do the work. I went to the shop where the adjuster held court
> once a week. I received a check for $1,700.00 for the surface scuff on the
> rear hatch where the rider's helmet hit the rear hatch and $1,100.00 for
> the cost of a USED replacement bumper since new were NLA! ELEVEN HUNDRED
> DOLLARS!
>
> It was just before Christmas too.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:48 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD
>
> My rear bumper literally fell off  the bumper shocks this afternoon with
> no warning and I was unable to shove it back one.  I've been told this is
> not repairable and if this is true then need to replace it.  I have a used
> spare front bumper, but no rear, alas...
>
> My first hope is that someone in this community has a spare rear bumper,
> but failing that, are there any junkyards that still sell used W123 parts?
>
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD  SAD
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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

When I faced this problem with my 124 Cab, the 3 screws you reference are
covered by metal; you cannot simply unscrew them until you open up the
whole assembly.  It is a Chinese puzzle, and the only way to get it apart
was by cutting if one could not turn the ignition cylinder to position #1.
I cut through metal at the point just below the screw heads, so that the
electrical switch could be pulled off the mechanical part.

The good news is that the only piece of metal that is super hard is the
plate over the face of the tumbler, which is the part that you would have
to drill to remove the tumbler. The rest of the lock assembly is soft mild
steel, and a sawz-all or dremel tool will make short work of it.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes!  that is far easier than butchering.   And it is easier to take out
> the 3 screws for the electric switch than to try to saw it off.  Once the
> screws are out, you can turn the switch with a screwdriver or a needlenose.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

A few years back SWMBO was stopped at a light in the 300TD when a full size 
motorcycle drove into her at speed. The motorcycle was totaled, but luckily the 
rider was not seriously hurt. The rear bumper was imperceptibly dented in the 
center. She did not want to bother to make a claim, so I offered to do the 
work. I went to the shop where the adjuster held court once a week. I received 
a check for $1,700.00 for the surface scuff on the rear hatch where the rider's 
helmet hit the rear hatch and $1,100.00 for the cost of a USED replacement 
bumper since new were NLA! ELEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS!

It was just before Christmas too.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew 
Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 7:48 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

My rear bumper literally fell off  the bumper shocks this afternoon with no 
warning and I was unable to shove it back one.  I've been told this is not 
repairable and if this is true then need to replace it.  I have a used spare 
front bumper, but no rear, alas...

My first hope is that someone in this community has a spare rear bumper, but 
failing that, are there any junkyards that still sell used W123 parts?

Andrew
1983 300TD  SAD
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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Good point. A hard key for these should cost you less than $20 at a stealer, 
more like $12-$15 unless they're giving you the "MBCA discount".

-D

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Personally, I'd get a key from the stealer.  That way if it is junked, you 
> have a complete sent of locks and keys to sell for $$$ in place of a couple 
> door handles for $10 each.
> Or, if someone gets the car, then it is worth more with a working key, lock 
> and steering lock.
> 
> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> June 19, 2017 at 12:18 PM
>> 
>> So, I had the right idea, but the wrong implementation?
>> If you don't need to unlock the steering wheel, non-destructive removal of 
>> the ignition switch and using a screwdriver for a switch knob does indeed 
>> sound much easier than anything else.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Personally, I'd get a key from the stealer.  That way if it is junked, 
you have a complete sent of locks and keys to sell for $$$ in place of a 
couple door handles for $10 each.
Or, if someone gets the car, then it is worth more with a working key, 
lock and steering lock.




Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 12:18 PM

So, I had the right idea, but the wrong implementation?
If you don't need to unlock the steering wheel, non-destructive 
removal of the ignition switch and using a screwdriver for a switch 
knob does indeed sound much easier than anything else.




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Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

The W124 with the OM606 isn't bad, but I'm not sure I would use the adjective 
"peppy" describing it.  Using that as a reference, the W210 is probably similar 
in performance.

-D

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Reports are that the non-turbo 606 is as peppy as the OM603 turbo, so I see 
> no reason to avoid the 606NA.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dan--- via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 11:58 AM
it even has MBTex, not leather as he describes in the ad (I pulled the 
data card on it.)


-D
MBTex is a plus..  You can always get a tree to hang from the mirror so 
it smells like "rich corinthian leather"

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Re: [MBZ] WAS '82 Lincoln NOW ka-boom

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Randy wrote:

> So what happened in Lac Megantic?
> I would not have thought that crude oil was much of a danger to
> explode either but it appears that it did.
> Why was it so volatile?

I don't know about Lac Megantic.  But crude oil contains a very
broad range of components - some (many?) of which are very
volatile.  One it's vapor, it can burn much more easily than as a
liquid.

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No, Andrew will be making a club out of a tree with only wooden or rock 
tools, and moving to a cave near the swamp.His other wagon is now 
available to the first taker.

Don't need no stinking Lektrick!


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 11:04 AM
Ahh but where does the electric come from?

Don't say solar, you've no idea how much solar you're going to need to charge 
an electric car. Right now your electricity comes from fossil fuel and nuclear, 
a tiny (though rising) percentage is renewable...

Electric cars are not "no emissions" they're non-local emissions.
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I wonder is all that smoke counts as emissions for lektrick cahs?


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 10:59 AM


https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr=VHRIWLu5GIGbMYZ_#q=winde+turbine+failures 



Green stuff malfunctions too.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Reports are that the non-turbo 606 is as peppy as the OM603 turbo, so I 
see no reason to avoid the 606NA.



Dan--- via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 9:54 AM
Not sure if I put the word out or not, so if I'm repeating myself just 
chalk it up to my advancing age...


Since the 1994 S420 went the way of the big Coparts auction, I'm 
looking for a later model suitable for his use. This would be a nice 
E320 W210 from 1998 through 2001/2, or whenever they stopped making 
them. A 1998-2000 diesel would be ideal (1997 was non-turbo, something 
I would like to avoid) but an M112 gasser would be just fine, too.


I know many of these cars suffered from the tinworm, so cars from 
north of the Mason-Dixon Line are probably not candidates.


Lots of E320s down here, but many beaters. I want a nice one and am 
willing to pay. 4Matic would be icing on the cake, but not required.


If you see something locally let me know. I'll travel/transport for 
the right car. I've got roughly three months to find a car, so time is 
on my side. Just wanted to put this out there so people would be aware 
in case they see something.


Thanks,

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On June 19, 2017 at 1:07 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes!  that is far easier than butchering.   And it is easier to take out 
> the 3 screws for the electric switch than to try to saw it off.  Once 
> the screws are out, you can turn the switch with a screwdriver or a 
> needlenose.

So, I had the right idea, but the wrong implementation?
If you don't need to unlock the steering wheel, non-destructive removal of the 
ignition switch and using a screwdriver for a switch knob does indeed sound 
much easier than anything else.

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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

that does not stop you from unplugging at the engine and hotwiring the 
engine there.  You need far to the coil; Benzine though the injection 
system and into the cylinder, and air through the finlter and intake 
system.  Add compression and far the spark at the right time, and you 
should have far in the hole!



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 9:24 AM
I'm under the impression that in order to unplug the switch wiring harness
from the back of the switch, one needs to have the key in the switch in
position 1. Floyd has no key for this car.

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes!  that is far easier than butchering.   And it is easier to take out 
the 3 screws for the electric switch than to try to saw it off.  Once 
the screws are out, you can turn the switch with a screwdriver or a 
needlenose.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
June 19, 2017 at 7:37 AM
If you just want to test the engine, unplug the switch wiring harness, 
jump the appropriate terminals for run, and temporarily jump the 
terminals for start.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

True, but look at the number of pipeline accidents that result in fatalities 
compared with the number of fatalities from over the road tankers.  It's like 
comparing travel by air versus driving a car.

-D

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Really BAD stuff happens when an oil pipeline ruptures.  Doesn't matter if 
> it's "only" occasionally.
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> +1
>> 
>> Having worked with pipeline operators, I can attest to their strong 
>> commitment to safety.  Far, far safer and more reliable than over the road 
>> or rail transport of this stuff will ever be.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > True dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that 
>> > regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever 
>> > measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this 
>> > record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe," 
>> > it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise 
>> > solutions.
>> >
>> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
>> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you 
>> >> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of 
>> >> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big 
>> >> but they don't happen often.
>> >>
>> >> -Curt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>> >>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>> >> 
>> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
>> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>> >>Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> But pipelines are bad...
>> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're 
>> >> Mao's buddies or what.
>> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here 
>> >> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and 
>> >> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us 
>> >> much, we don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some 
>> >> people got pinched.
>> >> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about rising 
>> >> prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think he's 
>> >> thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that 
>> >> energy is cheaper...
>> >> -Curt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> >>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> >> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
>> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>> >>
>> >> Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral EquivaleTrue dat.  
>> >> USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
>> > regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever 
>> > measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this 
>> > record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe," 
>> > it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise 
>> > solutions.
>> >
>> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
>> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
>> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you 
>> >> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of 
>> >> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big 
>> >> but they don't happen often.
>> >>
>> >> -Curt
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>> >>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>> >> 
>> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
>> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>> >>Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> But pipelines are bad...
>> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're 
>> >> Mao's buddies or what.
>> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here 
>> >> spiked 

Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Yeah, but given the choice if I went diesel I would rather have a turbo.  There 
are a couple 97 non-turbos in the local market, but people seem to think 
they're made of some sort of precious metal.  I talked to this seller last week:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6173396562.html

It sounds like a really nice car - one owner, service records, 108k on the 
clock, etc., etc., but $7700???  I don't see how. Maybe, just maybe I could see 
$5k.  But not $7700. Funny thing, he agreed with me, but he still wants that 
price.

Or am I being unrealistic?  I don't see him getting that kind of money for this 
car, especially since it's a bare bones model, too - it even has MBTex, not 
leather as he describes in the ad (I pulled the data card on it.)

-D

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No reason to avoid a 97 non turbo. You already have one in the 124.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure if I put the word out or not, so if I'm repeating myself just chalk 
>> it up to my advancing age...
>> 
>> Since the 1994 S420 went the way of the big Coparts auction, I'm looking for 
>> a later model suitable for his use.  This would be a nice E320 W210 from 
>> 1998 through 2001/2, or whenever they stopped making them.  A 1998-2000 
>> diesel would be ideal (1997 was non-turbo, something I would like to avoid) 
>> but an M112 gasser would be just fine, too.
>> 
>> I know many of these cars suffered from the tinworm, so cars from north of 
>> the Mason-Dixon Line are probably not candidates.
>> 
>> Lots of E320s down here, but many beaters.  I want a nice one and am willing 
>> to pay. 4Matic would be icing on the cake, but not required.
>> 
>> If you see something locally let me know. I'll travel/transport for the 
>> right car.  I've got roughly three months to find a car, so time is on my 
>> side. Just wanted to put this out there so people would be aware in case 
>> they see something.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] WAS '82 Lincoln NOW ka-boom

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/06/2017 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
LNG is pretty benign actually, even if there is a tank(er) rupture. 
Natural gas has a very narrow band where it will burn, and the flame 
front is not too fast, and does not explode unless confined.  The 
limiting factors on how fast LNG can burn are 1) oxygen availability 
and 2) enough heat transfer to vaporize the gas to where it can mix 
with whatever air is available, and to get into the flammable range 
(which if I recall is a fairly narrow band, just a few percent).  
Other aspects are the stuff is cold, so it tends to stay close to the 
surface and takes a lot of energy to warm it and make it dissipate too 
far, there is a limit to how fast heat can transfer from water or soil 
( see 2 above).  One of my first real jobs was running models for risk 
analysis on LNG tanks and tankers in Boston Harbor.  No matter how 
"bad" we set up the models (i.e., worst-case scenario) the outcome of 
a catastrophic failure was not particularly devastating.  It generally 
appeared that the best way to deal with it (depending on 
circumstances) was to set it off and let it burn itself out without 
spreading too much, esp if it was on the water.  The flame helped heat 
it enough to burn without spreading further than it would if not 
burning, which would limit the damage area.  A big concern was the 
stuff getting into cellars, warming up, then getting set off by pilot 
lights or electrical arcs or something like that, and stuff started 
blowing up everywhere.


The tanks had dikes around them to contain a spill, it could be dealt 
with in situ, probably by burning if it came to that, or maybe to let 
it dissipate to where it wasn't flammable, which could be problematic 
depending...


A ship tanker was a different deal.  Trucking the stuff around was a 
bigger issue, but most loads were hauled in the middle of the night 
when traffic was minimal, and I think they had police escort.  I don't 
know how it is done now, even if at all.  I think Boston shut down one 
of the tanks (there were 2), maybe both?


--FT



So what happened in Lac Megantic?
I would not have thought that crude oil was much of a danger to explode 
either but it appears that it did.

Why was it so volatile?

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

LNG is pretty benign actually, even if there is a tank(er) rupture.  
Natural gas has a very narrow band where it will burn, and the flame 
front is not too fast, and does not explode unless confined.  The 
limiting factors on how fast LNG can burn are 1) oxygen availability and 
2) enough heat transfer to vaporize the gas to where it can mix with 
whatever air is available, and to get into the flammable range (which if 
I recall is a fairly narrow band, just a few percent).  Other aspects 
are the stuff is cold, so it tends to stay close to the surface and 
takes a lot of energy to warm it and make it dissipate too far, there is 
a limit to how fast heat can transfer from water or soil ( see 2 
above).  One of my first real jobs was running models for risk analysis 
on LNG tanks and tankers in Boston Harbor.  No matter how "bad" we set 
up the models (i.e., worst-case scenario) the outcome of a catastrophic 
failure was not particularly devastating.  It generally appeared that 
the best way to deal with it (depending on circumstances) was to set it 
off and let it burn itself out without spreading too much, esp if it was 
on the water.  The flame helped heat it enough to burn without spreading 
further than it would if not burning, which would limit the damage 
area.  A big concern was the stuff getting into cellars, warming up, 
then getting set off by pilot lights or electrical arcs or something 
like that, and stuff started blowing up everywhere.


The tanks had dikes around them to contain a spill, it could be dealt 
with in situ, probably by burning if it came to that, or maybe to let it 
dissipate to where it wasn't flammable, which could be problematic 
depending...


A ship tanker was a different deal.  Trucking the stuff around was a 
bigger issue, but most loads were hauled in the middle of the night when 
traffic was minimal, and I think they had police escort.  I don't know 
how it is done now, even if at all.  I think Boston shut down one of the 
tanks (there were 2), maybe both?


--FT


On 6/19/17 11:52 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

-Curt wrote:

As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.

What about LNG?
mao

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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Ahh but where does the electric come from?

Don't say solar, you've no idea how much solar you're going to need to charge 
an electric car. Right now your electricity comes from fossil fuel and nuclear, 
a tiny (though rising) percentage is renewable...

Electric cars are not "no emissions" they're non-local emissions.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond  
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 12:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
   
Agree. That's why I'm gravitating toward Electric.
On Jun 19, 2017 11:59 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

You'd rather not have fuel?
Really really bad things happen when train cars slam into towns.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
  
Really BAD stuff happens when an oil pipeline ruptures.  Doesn't matter if
it's "only" occasionally.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> +1
>
> Having worked with pipeline operators, I can attest to their strong
> commitment to safety.  Far, far safer and more reliable than over the road
> or rail transport of this stuff will ever be.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > True dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
> regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever
> measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe,"
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise
> solutions.
> >
> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
> >
> >
> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_ disaster
> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you
> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of
> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but
> they don't happen often.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>      From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>    Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> But pipelines are bad...
> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if
> they're Mao's buddies or what.
> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here
> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and
> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much,
> we don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people
> got pinched.
> >> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about
> rising prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think
> he's thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that
> energy is cheaper...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>      From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>
> >> Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral EquivaleTrue
> dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
> > regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever
> measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe,"
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise
> solutions.
> >
> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
> >
> >
> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_ disaster
> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you
> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of
> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but
> they don't happen often.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>      From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> 

Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/06/2017 10:57 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Dan wrote:

Since the 1994 S420 went the way of the big Coparts auction...

A week ago my son drove a 2017 QX30 for a couple weeks work and
visited here.  He stopped down the road at a friend's house.  It was a
windy day.  Yep, Act of God totaled - 24" limb right on the driver
seat.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You'd rather not have fuel?
Really really bad things happen when train cars slam into towns.
-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 11:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
   
Really BAD stuff happens when an oil pipeline ruptures.  Doesn't matter if
it's "only" occasionally.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> +1
>
> Having worked with pipeline operators, I can attest to their strong
> commitment to safety.  Far, far safer and more reliable than over the road
> or rail transport of this stuff will ever be.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > True dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
> regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever
> measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe,"
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise
> solutions.
> >
> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
> >
> >
> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you
> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of
> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but
> they don't happen often.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>      From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>    Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> But pipelines are bad...
> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if
> they're Mao's buddies or what.
> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here
> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and
> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much,
> we don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people
> got pinched.
> >> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about
> rising prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think
> he's thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that
> energy is cheaper...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>      From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>
> >> Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral EquivaleTrue
> dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
> > regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever
> measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe,"
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise
> solutions.
> >
> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
> >
> >
> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you
> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of
> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but
> they don't happen often.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>      From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>    Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> But pipelines are bad...
> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if
> they're Mao's buddies or what.
> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here
> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and
> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much,
> 

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 19/06/2017 10:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Really BAD stuff happens when an oil pipeline ruptures.  Doesn't matter if
it's "only" occasionally.



https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr=VHRIWLu5GIGbMYZ_#q=winde+turbine+failures

Green stuff malfunctions too.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Dan wrote:
> Since the 1994 S420 went the way of the big Coparts auction...

A week ago my son drove a 2017 QX30 for a couple weeks work and
visited here.  He stopped down the road at a friend's house.  It was a
windy day.  Yep, Act of God totaled - 24" limb right on the driver
seat.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The 722.6 came in 97. 96 still has the old fashioned mechanical 722.3 or .4

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> On Jun 19, 2017, at 10:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A few basic comments on the model years:
> 2wd 210 sedans made from 1996-2002. Wagons 1998-2003, 4matic 1998-up. 2003 
> wagons seem to be rare, I don't think they were made for a full year.
> 
> Diesels (OM606) in USA from 1996-1999, turbocharged/intercooled 98-99.
> I guess the ultimate diesel would be a 99 with optional ESP. 
> 
> Facelift in 2000 model year included lowering the suspension and putting turn 
> signals in the side view mirror housings. So, for deep snow, 1998-99 4Matic 
> is probably the best, other than that facelifted versions are good. 
> 
> The later the year, the more likely to have COMAND. 
> 
> ESP was optional in 1999, may have been available in 1998, standard equipment 
> from 2000 onward. 
> 
> I can't remember when the five speed electronic transmission was introduced, 
> maybe 1997? I think they eliminated the torque converter drain plug mid year 
> in 1999, my 99 wagon has it.
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Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No reason to avoid a 97 non turbo. You already have one in the 124.

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> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not sure if I put the word out or not, so if I'm repeating myself just chalk 
> it up to my advancing age...
> 
> Since the 1994 S420 went the way of the big Coparts auction, I'm looking for 
> a later model suitable for his use.  This would be a nice E320 W210 from 1998 
> through 2001/2, or whenever they stopped making them.  A 1998-2000 diesel 
> would be ideal (1997 was non-turbo, something I would like to avoid) but an 
> M112 gasser would be just fine, too.
> 
> I know many of these cars suffered from the tinworm, so cars from north of 
> the Mason-Dixon Line are probably not candidates.
> 
> Lots of E320s down here, but many beaters.  I want a nice one and am willing 
> to pay. 4Matic would be icing on the cake, but not required.
> 
> If you see something locally let me know. I'll travel/transport for the right 
> car.  I've got roughly three months to find a car, so time is on my side. 
> Just wanted to put this out there so people would be aware in case they see 
> something.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That is correct.

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> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm under the impression that in order to unplug the switch wiring harness
> from the back of the switch, one needs to have the key in the switch in
> position 1.  Floyd has no key for this car.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> If you just want to test the engine, unplug the switch wiring harness,
>> jump the appropriate terminals for run, and temporarily jump the terminals
>> for start.
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-Curt wrote:
> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.

What about LNG?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're 
> Mao's buddies or what.

FreeTalkLive is the program 7-days each week 7-10pm ET but they pretty
much stick to Liberty topics, not political.  Maybe they are connected
to those protestors but the protests that pique my attention are the
CopBlock protests that they mention.  LibertyRadioNetwork
https://www.lrn.fm/ FreeTalkLive https://www.freetalklive.com/
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Really BAD stuff happens when an oil pipeline ruptures.  Doesn't matter if
it's "only" occasionally.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:

> +1
>
> Having worked with pipeline operators, I can attest to their strong
> commitment to safety.  Far, far safer and more reliable than over the road
> or rail transport of this stuff will ever be.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > True dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
> regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever
> measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe,"
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise
> solutions.
> >
> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
> >
> >
> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you
> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of
> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but
> they don't happen often.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> But pipelines are bad...
> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if
> they're Mao's buddies or what.
> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here
> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and
> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much,
> we don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people
> got pinched.
> >> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about
> rising prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think
> he's thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that
> energy is cheaper...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> >>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>
> >> Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral EquivaleTrue
> dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that
> > regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever
> measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe,"
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise
> solutions.
> >
> > --FT (not being political, but technical)
> >
> >
> >> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
> >> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you
> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of
> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but
> they don't happen often.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
> >>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
> >>Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> But pipelines are bad...
> >> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if
> they're Mao's buddies or what.
> >> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here
> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and
> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much,
> we don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people
> got pinched.
> >> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about
> rising prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think
> he's thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that
> energy is cheaper...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>   From: 

Re: [MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

A few basic comments on the model years:
2wd 210 sedans made from 1996-2002. Wagons 1998-2003, 4matic 1998-up. 2003 
wagons seem to be rare, I don't think they were made for a full year.

Diesels (OM606) in USA from 1996-1999, turbocharged/intercooled 98-99.
I guess the ultimate diesel would be a 99 with optional ESP. 

Facelift in 2000 model year included lowering the suspension and putting turn 
signals in the side view mirror housings. So, for deep snow, 1998-99 4Matic is 
probably the best, other than that facelifted versions are good. 

The later the year, the more likely to have COMAND. 

ESP was optional in 1999, may have been available in 1998, standard equipment 
from 2000 onward. 

I can't remember when the five speed electronic transmission was introduced, 
maybe 1997? I think they eliminated the torque converter drain plug mid year in 
1999, my 99 wagon has it.

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

+1

Having worked with pipeline operators, I can attest to their strong commitment 
to safety.  Far, far safer and more reliable than over the road or rail 
transport of this stuff will ever be.

-D

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> True dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that regard, 
> pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever measure you 
> want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this record, while 
> still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe," it's the nature 
> of our advanced world. But there are best compromise solutions.
> 
> --FT (not being political, but technical)
> 
> 
>> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
>> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you 
>> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of 
>> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but 
>> they don't happen often.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>> 
>>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>>Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> But pipelines are bad...
>> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're 
>> Mao's buddies or what.
>> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here 
>> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and we 
>> had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much, we 
>> don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people got 
>> pinched.
>> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about rising 
>> prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think he's 
>> thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that energy 
>> is cheaper...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>> 
>> Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral EquivaleTrue dat.  
>> USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that 
> regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever 
> measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this 
> record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% "safe," 
> it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best compromise 
> solutions.
> 
> --FT (not being political, but technical)
> 
> 
>> On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
>> Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you 
>> consider the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of 
>> leaks are minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but 
>> they don't happen often.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>> 
>>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>>Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> But pipelines are bad...
>> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're 
>> Mao's buddies or what.
>> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here 
>> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and we 
>> had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much, we 
>> don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people got 
>> pinched.
>> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about rising 
>> prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think he's 
>> thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that energy 
>> is cheaper...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>> 
>> Those 

Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

True dat.  USDOT Office of Pipeline Safety has oodles of data in that 
regard, pipelines are the safest means of transport of all by whatever 
measure you want to take.  The pipeline industry is quite proud of this 
record, while still acknowledging "stuff happens." Nothing is 100% 
"safe," it's the nature of our advanced world. But there are best 
compromise solutions.


--FT (not being political, but technical)


On 6/19/17 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you consider 
the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of leaks are 
minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but they don't 
happen often.

-Curt


   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.


On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

But pipelines are bad...
I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're Mao's 
buddies or what.
A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here spiked because 
theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and we had a really cold winter 
with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much, we don't use a lot of electrons 
and heat with oil and wood but some people got pinched.
My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about rising prices 
because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think he's thought 
through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that energy is 
cheaper...
-Curt


   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral Equivalent of War
(MEOW) about the A-rabs screwing us on oil.

An interesting dimension of that whole deal back then I got from a
friend I had gone to school with along in there, who worked for GATX
Corp. which basically owned all the rail tankers and storage facilities
for oil, gasoline, etc.  He told me that every tanker they owned at the
time was parked on railroad sidings hold oil etc. while there were
"shortages" and prices were spiking.  There was not one drop of capacity
anywhere to ship anything, which was causing lots of other issues, and
there was no capacity to store any more product.  But their inventory of
tankers etc. was completely booked which was good for their profits.
Magically the "shortage" ended with high prices, and everyone was making
big money.  Thanks, Jimmuh!  BTW I think Warren Buffett is in that
business now... which makes one wonder why certain pipelines were delayed...

--FT


On 6/19/17 10:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Wow. Ford Fairmont. My brother had a two door Ford Fairmont, in green.  Totally 
forgot about it until I read this.

What a POS that car was

-D


On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

"1982 was the first year for the all-new downsized Lincoln Continental, based on the 
Ford Fox platform."

I knew that all the luxo-barges were being downsized in my high school days in 
an effort to meet emissions and CAFE requirements, but I didn't know the 
Continental was put on the Mustang/Fairmont platform. Is that true?

Mitch.

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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[MBZ] Car Hunt - W210 E320

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Not sure if I put the word out or not, so if I'm repeating myself just chalk it 
up to my advancing age...

Since the 1994 S420 went the way of the big Coparts auction, I'm looking for a 
later model suitable for his use.  This would be a nice E320 W210 from 1998 
through 2001/2, or whenever they stopped making them.  A 1998-2000 diesel would 
be ideal (1997 was non-turbo, something I would like to avoid) but an M112 
gasser would be just fine, too.

I know many of these cars suffered from the tinworm, so cars from north of the 
Mason-Dixon Line are probably not candidates.

Lots of E320s down here, but many beaters.  I want a nice one and am willing to 
pay. 4Matic would be icing on the cake, but not required.

If you see something locally let me know. I'll travel/transport for the right 
car.  I've got roughly three months to find a car, so time is on my side. Just 
wanted to put this out there so people would be aware in case they see 
something.

Thanks,

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

As opposed to railroads that occasionally take out towns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster
Pipelines are the safest way to move oil of any type. Really when you consider 
the amount of oil moved around the world every day the amount of leaks are 
minor. Its like airline crashes, when they happen they're big but they don't 
happen often.

-Curt


  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
   
Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.  

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

But pipelines are bad...
I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're Mao's 
buddies or what.
A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here spiked 
because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and we had a 
really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much, we don't use 
a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people got pinched.
My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about rising prices 
because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think he's thought 
through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that energy is 
cheaper...
-Curt


      From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral Equivalent of War
(MEOW) about the A-rabs screwing us on oil.

An interesting dimension of that whole deal back then I got from a
friend I had gone to school with along in there, who worked for GATX
Corp. which basically owned all the rail tankers and storage facilities
for oil, gasoline, etc.  He told me that every tanker they owned at the
time was parked on railroad sidings hold oil etc. while there were
"shortages" and prices were spiking.  There was not one drop of capacity
anywhere to ship anything, which was causing lots of other issues, and
there was no capacity to store any more product.  But their inventory of
tankers etc. was completely booked which was good for their profits. 
Magically the "shortage" ended with high prices, and everyone was making
big money.  Thanks, Jimmuh!  BTW I think Warren Buffett is in that
business now... which makes one wonder why certain pipelines were delayed...

--FT


On 6/19/17 10:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Wow. Ford Fairmont. My brother had a two door Ford Fairmont, in green.  
> Totally forgot about it until I read this.
>
> What a POS that car was
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> "1982 was the first year for the all-new downsized Lincoln Continental, 
>> based on the Ford Fox platform."
>>
>> I knew that all the luxo-barges were being downsized in my high school days 
>> in an effort to meet emissions and CAFE requirements, but I didn't know the 
>> Continental was put on the Mustang/Fairmont platform. Is that true?
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Pipelines are GREAT until they leak/ignite.

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But pipelines are bad...
> I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're
> Mao's buddies or what.
> A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here
> spiked because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and
> we had a really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much,
> we don't use a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people
> got pinched.
> My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about rising
> prices because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think he's
> thought through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that
> energy is cheaper...
> -Curt
>
>
>   From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Floyd Thursby 
>  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
>
> Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral Equivalent of War
> (MEOW) about the A-rabs screwing us on oil.
>
> An interesting dimension of that whole deal back then I got from a
> friend I had gone to school with along in there, who worked for GATX
> Corp. which basically owned all the rail tankers and storage facilities
> for oil, gasoline, etc.  He told me that every tanker they owned at the
> time was parked on railroad sidings hold oil etc. while there were
> "shortages" and prices were spiking.  There was not one drop of capacity
> anywhere to ship anything, which was causing lots of other issues, and
> there was no capacity to store any more product.  But their inventory of
> tankers etc. was completely booked which was good for their profits.
> Magically the "shortage" ended with high prices, and everyone was making
> big money.  Thanks, Jimmuh!  BTW I think Warren Buffett is in that
> business now... which makes one wonder why certain pipelines were
> delayed...
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 6/19/17 10:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > Wow. Ford Fairmont. My brother had a two door Ford Fairmont, in green.
> Totally forgot about it until I read this.
> >
> > What a POS that car was
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> "1982 was the first year for the all-new downsized Lincoln Continental,
> based on the Ford Fox platform."
> >>
> >> I knew that all the luxo-barges were being downsized in my high school
> days in an effort to meet emissions and CAFE requirements, but I didn't
> know the Continental was put on the Mustang/Fairmont platform. Is that true?
> >>
> >> Mitch.
> >>
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

But pipelines are bad...
I see the protestors almost every week in Keene. I'm not sure if they're Mao's 
buddies or what.
A couple years ago the price of natural gas (and thus electricity) here spiked 
because theres only one pipeline that feeds all of New England and we had a 
really cold winter with the "polar vortex". Didn't bother us much, we don't use 
a lot of electrons and heat with oil and wood but some people got pinched.
My neighbor is against any pipelines, says he's not worried about rising prices 
because he doesn't use many electrons either. I don't think he's thought 
through what will happen if his employer moves somewhere that energy is 
cheaper...
-Curt


  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?
   
Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral Equivalent of War 
(MEOW) about the A-rabs screwing us on oil.

An interesting dimension of that whole deal back then I got from a 
friend I had gone to school with along in there, who worked for GATX 
Corp. which basically owned all the rail tankers and storage facilities 
for oil, gasoline, etc.  He told me that every tanker they owned at the 
time was parked on railroad sidings hold oil etc. while there were 
"shortages" and prices were spiking.  There was not one drop of capacity 
anywhere to ship anything, which was causing lots of other issues, and 
there was no capacity to store any more product.  But their inventory of 
tankers etc. was completely booked which was good for their profits.  
Magically the "shortage" ended with high prices, and everyone was making 
big money.  Thanks, Jimmuh!  BTW I think Warren Buffett is in that 
business now... which makes one wonder why certain pipelines were delayed...

--FT


On 6/19/17 10:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Wow. Ford Fairmont. My brother had a two door Ford Fairmont, in green.  
> Totally forgot about it until I read this.
>
> What a POS that car was
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> "1982 was the first year for the all-new downsized Lincoln Continental, 
>> based on the Ford Fox platform."
>>
>> I knew that all the luxo-barges were being downsized in my high school days 
>> in an effort to meet emissions and CAFE requirements, but I didn't know the 
>> Continental was put on the Mustang/Fairmont platform. Is that true?
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm under the impression that in order to unplug the switch wiring harness
from the back of the switch, one needs to have the key in the switch in
position 1.  Floyd has no key for this car.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 8:37 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If you just want to test the engine, unplug the switch wiring harness,
> jump the appropriate terminals for run, and temporarily jump the terminals
> for start.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Those were the product of Jimmuh Cahtah and his Moral Equivalent of War 
(MEOW) about the A-rabs screwing us on oil.


An interesting dimension of that whole deal back then I got from a 
friend I had gone to school with along in there, who worked for GATX 
Corp. which basically owned all the rail tankers and storage facilities 
for oil, gasoline, etc.  He told me that every tanker they owned at the 
time was parked on railroad sidings hold oil etc. while there were 
"shortages" and prices were spiking.  There was not one drop of capacity 
anywhere to ship anything, which was causing lots of other issues, and 
there was no capacity to store any more product.  But their inventory of 
tankers etc. was completely booked which was good for their profits.  
Magically the "shortage" ended with high prices, and everyone was making 
big money.  Thanks, Jimmuh!  BTW I think Warren Buffett is in that 
business now... which makes one wonder why certain pipelines were delayed...


--FT


On 6/19/17 10:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

Wow. Ford Fairmont. My brother had a two door Ford Fairmont, in green.  Totally 
forgot about it until I read this.

What a POS that car was

-D


On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

"1982 was the first year for the all-new downsized Lincoln Continental, based on the 
Ford Fox platform."

I knew that all the luxo-barges were being downsized in my high school days in 
an effort to meet emissions and CAFE requirements, but I didn't know the 
Continental was put on the Mustang/Fairmont platform. Is that true?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Wow. Ford Fairmont. My brother had a two door Ford Fairmont, in green.  Totally 
forgot about it until I read this.

What a POS that car was

-D

> On Jun 19, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> "1982 was the first year for the all-new downsized Lincoln Continental, based 
> on the Ford Fox platform."
> 
> I knew that all the luxo-barges were being downsized in my high school days 
> in an effort to meet emissions and CAFE requirements, but I didn't know the 
> Continental was put on the Mustang/Fairmont platform. Is that true?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

"1982 was the first year for the all-new downsized Lincoln Continental, based 
on the Ford Fox platform."

I knew that all the luxo-barges were being downsized in my high school days in 
an effort to meet emissions and CAFE requirements, but I didn't know the 
Continental was put on the Mustang/Fairmont platform. Is that true?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have one on my old TD I am going to knacker after I dismantle it, so I 
guess I could start now.  Make me an offer that does not include any el 
merde del gato.  I can go take pics of it and send them along, I think 
it is in OK condition.


--FT


On 6/18/17 10:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My rear bumper literally fell off  the bumper shocks this afternoon with no
warning and I was unable to shove it back one.  I've been told this is not
repairable and if this is true then need to replace it.  I have a used
spare front bumper, but no rear, alas...

My first hope is that someone in this community has a spare rear bumper,
but failing that, are there any junkyards that still sell used W123 parts?

Andrew
1983 300TD  SAD
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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:56:07 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I think that is basically a loft for extra storage.

Yes, I added that, and the fold-down stairs for extra storage. If I were
putting all boxes inside the trailer, I could just stack them to the
ceiling. Since I'm putting stuff in there that's heavy and can't have
boxes put on top of it (like a radial-arm saw, a car, and such things),
I added the deck to increase the storage.


Craig


> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > What's the upper deck in that one trailer used for?

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[MBZ] Anybody want an '82 Lincoln Continental on BAT?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

This time-warp, retro "classic" resides in DC.  Fascinating window into the
latest in early 80s technology and luxury.  How many barrels of crude were
sacrificed to craft so many aces of faux wood?

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-lincoln-continental/

I doubt this will crash through the $7500 barrier.
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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

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On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:14:58 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Bravo Craig & Shirley!
> 
> When do you begin touring the country?

I don't know yet.

The next major thing up is Shirley's total hip replacement on 14 July.
She has her pre-op appointment tomorrow.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Craig is a bigger man than I am

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On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 12:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Did Craig follow list wisdom and buy a pair of Time Windows? (left of
> center in image 7)

I did not buy them. When they came up on the Los Alamos freecycle list
just before we moved, I followed list wisdom and got them as quickly as I
could. They are a little rough and one of the speakers in one of the
housings was out when I got them. I have the speaker, but haven't figured
out how to reinstall it, since I'm sure the phasing is important. They
also need new coverings and some wood repair.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT UV lights for HVAC

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

We went for the 6" thick pleated hepa or near hepa box filter in the plenum
figuring no mold spores are going to get through it, and you get all the
pollen etc also. You can wash and reuse them. Just shorten the main outlet
plenum a bit and stick it inbetween the fan inlet and the plenum, in a
place you can pull the drawer out.

On Jun 18, 2017 5:56 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Thanks Dan, I'll take a look at those.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Max,
> >
> > I just did this as a part of an AC replacement back in March.
> >
> > You’ve got it right - there are two types of UV lights, the ones used to
> > keep mold off of the coils and the other that kills stuff in the plenum
> as
> > air flows over it.
> >
> > We did the plenum mounted UV light:
> >
> > http://www.rgf.com/products/air/guardian-air-qr/
> >
> > While this has no effect on airborne particulates like dust, it does kill
> > bacteria, mold and viruses.  I can’t really qualify that it makes a
> > noticeable difference in air quality, but it definitely reduces odors if
> > we’ve been cooking, for example.  We have a very clean HVAC system so I
> > can’t speak for mold or the effects on it.  No one has been sick in the
> > house since we installed it, but I’m not sure it’s a result of the UV
> light.
> >
> > I’m satisfied that it’s doing what we want.  How to quantify that is a
> > whole ‘nother matter…
> >
> > Ours was about $300 additional when the AC was installed, I believe.  You
> > have to replace the cell about every 3 years and I believe they’re around
> > $200.
> >
> > -D
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

If you just want to test the engine, unplug the switch wiring harness, jump the 
appropriate terminals for run, and temporarily jump the terminals for start. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] ISO W123 rear bumper for my 300TD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You are too kind... PGA doesn't have one but I have a couple leads for way
less than $500.

On Jun 18, 2017 11:46 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
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> Nuttin' but the best for Andrew.  I figgered he already had yuro bumpers
> on HIS cars.
>
> I found a right side Yuro headlight for 123.  He could buy it too , then
> have one yuro and one US headlight!  It would be unique!
>
> But yes, I would cut him a deal for both bumpers so he can upgrade his TD.
>
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>> June 18, 2017 at 10:32 PM
>> So buy both of them and call it an upgrade.
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Re: [MBZ] AC Compressors

[MG via Mercedes]

Sounds like a sure recipe for disaster. Or at least it would be 
if I was to do the welding. That's why I was wondering about the 
swap idea. I've never even seen a 603/Nippondenso mount. I have 
seen pictures of an aluminum mount that was on some MB that 
someone had put on a 617 that looked like it would work. I don't 
remember if it was for a Nippondenso or a Sanden though. 
Unfortunately I can't find the info right now. I'll try and find 
it again when I have the time. If I recall that idea either never 
got done or did and I never saw the results.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Hmmm, cast aluminum 603/Nippondenso mount, plus cast aluminum 617/R4 mount (do 
they make this in aluminum?) plus band saw, plus MIG welder...

Mitch


On June 18, 2017 at 7:05 PM MG via Mercedes  wrote:


It's basically the same thing as the using that aftermarket kit 
to put in a Sanden compressor except I'm not too impressed with 
the quality of those kits. They still seem to have unresolved 
problems. I figure if the mount for the Nippondenso bolts onto a 
617 then all I have to do is use the hose ends from that to 
connect it in place of the R4.


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Re: [MBZ] AC Compressors

[MG via Mercedes]

Yes two different ones or there were, haven't looked it up in 
about a year now but last info I saw still had problems with 
cracking in the mount. That's why I figured that an MB original 
would be designed right and work without problems.


Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Isn't there a conversion kit to run a ND, or sanyo or some such in place 
of the GM, or is that only to replace yorkies?



MG via Mercedes 
June 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM
Don't care about the hoses. What I want is to be able to use the 
Nippondenso in place of the R4. Redoing the hoses is inconsequential.




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[MBZ] 420SEL turd engine test method

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Floyd,

Thinking about this over the weekend, I believe that the best approach will
be to start with the sawz-all and cut the steering lock off the column (cut
whatever needed out of the way, just watch out for the wiring harness to
the ignition switch), and then use dremel tool with cut-off wheel to
separate the electrical portion of the ignition from the mechanical.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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