Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yup - my neighbor keeps the coons out of his chickens with a 20 ga.

On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 12:17 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just up the street from me I saw the local cat snackers sauntering through
> the intersection.  The coyotes are not smart enough to work the latch to
> the hens, so not an issue to me.  It is the coons, big as a baby bear, that
> need some predation.  Too big for those puny canids to take down.
>
> clay
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > The deer herds probably need thinning anyway. We heard coyotes howling at
> > night when we moved here five years ago, and saw them crossing road
> > occasionally, but have neither seen nor heard them for at least three
> years
> > now. I guess they've moved east . . .
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The thing is, they are much cleverer than we are.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have an old Alaska pipeline cold weather coat trimmed with eastern
> >>> coyote fur.
> >>>
> >>> One way to thin their ranks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fred Moir.
> >>> Lynn MA.
> >>> Diesel preferred.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> >>> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >>> Sent: 17 November 2017 14:35
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> >>> Subject: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners
> >>>
> >>> Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday,
> November
> >>> 17, 2017
> >>>
> >>> Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.
> >>>
> >>> Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which
> is
> >>> why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.
> >>>
> >>> The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and
> >> their
> >>> wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to
> >>> scientists.
> >>>
> >>> But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike
> >> creatures,
> >>> researchers said.
> >>>
> >>> "We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said
> >> Robert
> >>> Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research
> Center.
> >>> "The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution
> >>> itself."
> >>>
> >>> The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad
> >> news
> >>> for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top
> >>> predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press
> >>>  >>> 20/Getting-more-'wolflike'-is-the-key-to-the-future-for-coyotes>,
> >>> Nov. 17).
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Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Just up the street from me I saw the local cat snackers sauntering through the 
intersection.  The coyotes are not smart enough to work the latch to the hens, 
so not an issue to me.  It is the coons, big as a baby bear, that need some 
predation.  Too big for those puny canids to take down.

clay 
 







> On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The deer herds probably need thinning anyway. We heard coyotes howling at
> night when we moved here five years ago, and saw them crossing road
> occasionally, but have neither seen nor heard them for at least three years
> now. I guess they've moved east . . .
> 
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The thing is, they are much cleverer than we are.
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have an old Alaska pipeline cold weather coat trimmed with eastern
>>> coyote fur.
>>> 
>>> One way to thin their ranks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fred Moir.
>>> Lynn MA.
>>> Diesel preferred.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
>>> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> Sent: 17 November 2017 14:35
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners
>>> 
>>> Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, November
>>> 17, 2017
>>> 
>>> Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.
>>> 
>>> Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which is
>>> why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.
>>> 
>>> The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and
>> their
>>> wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to
>>> scientists.
>>> 
>>> But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike
>> creatures,
>>> researchers said.
>>> 
>>> "We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said
>> Robert
>>> Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research Center.
>>> "The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution
>>> itself."
>>> 
>>> The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad
>> news
>>> for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top
>>> predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press
>>> >> 20/Getting-more-'wolflike'-is-the-key-to-the-future-for-coyotes>,
>>> Nov. 17).
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> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Wikipedia says no. Something about a vast difference in the number of 
chromosomes.

Greg

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Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:37 PM
To: Dwight Giles
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

Could they interbreed with foxes?

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Dwight Giles 
wrote:

> I saw,one run up our street last week. Also saw a photo of one,at the 
> boat ramp at end of street. Curt- better warn Buster.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Nov 17, 2017 2:35 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, 
> November 17, 2017
>
> Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.
>
> Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which 
> is why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.
>
> The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and 
> their wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, 
> according to scientists.
>
> But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike 
> creatures, researchers said.
>
> "We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said 
> Robert Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research 
> Center.
> "The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution 
> itself."
>
> The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad 
> news for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the 
> top predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press 
>  Getting-more-'wolflike'-is-the-key-to-the-future-for-coyotes>,
> Nov. 17).
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Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I remember reading that the eastern coy-wolf originated in Algonquin Park in 
Canada and spread rapidly, having superior survival qualities.

Here in Vancouver WA we have coyotes as neighbors, also cougars. There have 
been confirmed sightings near my home, and even in downtown Vancouver. Wolves 
are becoming more common in Oregon. There was a recent case of a hunter 
shooting one in...he said...self-defense.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, November 17, 
2017

Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.

Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which is why 
they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.

The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and their 
wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to 
scientists.

But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike creatures, 
researchers said.

"We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said Robert 
Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research Center.
"The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution itself."

The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad news for 
deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top predator on the 
East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press 
,
Nov. 17).
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Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Could they interbreed with foxes?

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:28 PM, Dwight Giles 
wrote:

> I saw,one run up our street last week. Also saw a photo of one,at the boat
> ramp at end of street. Curt- better warn Buster.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Nov 17, 2017 2:35 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, November
> 17, 2017
>
> Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.
>
> Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which is
> why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.
>
> The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and their
> wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to
> scientists.
>
> But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike creatures,
> researchers said.
>
> "We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said Robert
> Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research Center.
> "The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution
> itself."
>
> The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad news
> for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top
> predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press
>  Getting-more-'wolflike'-is-the-key-to-the-future-for-coyotes>,
> Nov. 17).
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Navy Derringdo

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nor is my bladder large enough . . .

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 8:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You don't carry enough fuel to do one that size?
> Mitch.
> > On November 17, 2017 at 9:23 PM OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Now that I'm equipped with ADS-B out, and anyone can see my flight path
> on
> > flight-aware, I might have to indulge in some art, though on a smaller
> > scale than Boeing . . .
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Navy Derringdo

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

You don't carry enough fuel to do one that size?
Mitch.
> On November 17, 2017 at 9:23 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Now that I'm equipped with ADS-B out, and anyone can see my flight path on
> flight-aware, I might have to indulge in some art, though on a smaller
> scale than Boeing . . .
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Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I saw,one run up our street last week. Also saw a photo of one,at the boat
ramp at end of street. Curt- better warn Buster.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 17, 2017 2:35 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, November
17, 2017

Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.

Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which is
why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.

The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and their
wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to
scientists.

But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike creatures,
researchers said.

"We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said Robert
Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research Center.
"The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution
itself."

The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad news
for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top
predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press
,
Nov. 17).
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The current granite has some kind of a polymer seal that mitigates most of
the issues it first had as a counter top. THough we only lived there five
years after installing, the granite looked like new when we left. We still
have a slab of it on the dinning room table, and it still looks like new
with only wiping it down once in a while.

We had a new shower built/installed last year - a local company makes them
from the same stuff that Corian is made from, though he custom mixes his
own colors. It's pricy, but gorgeous (and the wife is now happy!).

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Wife selected (Corian?) when we built this house 22 years ago. It's held
> up better than Formica and essentially still looks like new. It gives the
> impression of marble but seems to be impervious to stains and rough
> treatment.
> Granite is great for tombstones, but I can't see the practicality of it
> being used for countertops.
> Gerry
> ~~
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > The biggest advantage of granite is that it teaches you the precise value
> > of infinity.  I dropped a plate on the counter and the shards went
> > everywhere.  I counted them up and it totaled exactly infinity.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I despise rock for a countertop.  Hard maple, or at least formica for
> me.
> > > Formica is superior to rock in many ways.  cheaper, lighter, trouble
> free,
> > > no maintenance, and a smoother surface to prevent bacteria growth.
> Maple
> > > has all that over rock, plus it is a natural antibacterial.
> > >
> > > I am glad to see that the rock countertop craze is dying.  Gimme a
> shovel
> > > to bury it.
> > >
> > >> OK Don via Mercedes 
> > >> November 16, 2017 at 8:27 PM
> > >> We think that our "blue pearl" granite is even more stunning than
> black -
> > >> it's black with blue iridescent flakes.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Navy Derringdo

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Now that I'm equipped with ADS-B out, and anyone can see my flight path on
flight-aware, I might have to indulge in some art, though on a smaller
scale than Boeing . . .

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> Boeing test pilot art is bigger:
> https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_31/2095391/
> 170804-boeing-flight-path-airplane-ew-103p_a865277d0a629f51c8ba3fa7932ee6
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Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The deer herds probably need thinning anyway. We heard coyotes howling at
night when we moved here five years ago, and saw them crossing road
occasionally, but have neither seen nor heard them for at least three years
now. I guess they've moved east . . .

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> The thing is, they are much cleverer than we are.
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I have an old Alaska pipeline cold weather coat trimmed with eastern
> > coyote fur.
> >
> > One way to thin their ranks.
> >
> >
> > Fred Moir.
> > Lynn MA.
> > Diesel preferred.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> > Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > Sent: 17 November 2017 14:35
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> > Subject: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners
> >
> > Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, November
> > 17, 2017
> >
> > Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.
> >
> > Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which is
> > why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.
> >
> > The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and
> their
> > wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to
> > scientists.
> >
> > But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike
> creatures,
> > researchers said.
> >
> > "We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said
> Robert
> > Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research Center.
> > "The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution
> > itself."
> >
> > The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad
> news
> > for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top
> > predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press
> >  > 20/Getting-more-'wolflike'-is-the-key-to-the-future-for-coyotes>,
> > Nov. 17).
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It seems that Walmart has already placed an order for five of them - can't
be totally out of the range of reality, they'd only order one if that were
the case?

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When a car costs 2/3 as much as a nicely appointed owner-operator grade
> conventional tractor, a super-cool tractor built like that car will cost a
> lot.
> And then there's the cost of duplicating 80 gallons of diesel fuel in
> lithium battery form. If they say $400k, I'll take their word for it.
> And like somebody (Fmiser?) said earlier, 80 gallons a day is short-haul,
> not OTR, fuel consumption.
> Mitch.
> > On November 17, 2017 at 2:19 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/609514/
> teslas-all-electric-semi-sounds-amazing-but-how-much-will-it-cost-exactly
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Navy Derringdo

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Boeing test pilot art is bigger:
https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_31/2095391/170804-boeing-flight-path-airplane-ew-103p_a865277d0a629f51c8ba3fa7932ee6a3.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Navy Derringdo

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Dingus chemtrails poisoning our precious bodily fluids. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2017, at 5:34 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Navy flyboy flings firmament phallus for flabbergasted folk
> 
> Highway to the donger zone
> 
> A US navy pilot in an F/A-18 GROWLER is facing stiff action – after crafting 
> a novel flight pattern that left much of central Washington state staring up 
> at an anatomy lesson.
> 
> The offending artist flew out of the Whidbey Island air station Thursday 
> morning and deliberately painted the sky over the city of Okanogan with the 
> ol' twig-n-berries.
> 
> Look, we'll stop beating about the bush: they drew a giant cock in the air. 
> It isn't a bird, it isn't just a plane, it's a super dong, too.
> 
> Residents seemed to take the sky-scribble stroke of genius in their stride, 
> with one mother telling the Spokesman-Review her 12-year-old son alerted her 
> to the pilot's masterwork. "I thought it was pretty funny, and so did he. A 
> lot of people have been talking about it," she said.
> 
> Unfortunately, the military's top brass, funnily enough, didn't care for the 
> thrusting flight pattern, and are taking a rather hard stance. Officials 
> argued that being able to control a multimillion-dollar war machine to trace 
> out a giant mural of one's wedding tackle in the heavens isn't actually that 
> amusing.
> 
> In a statement to The Register on Friday, a navy spokesperson said:
> 
> US Navy air crew, flying an F/A-18 Growler (Electronic Attack Aircraft) 
> assigned to Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 130 based at Naval Air Station 
> Whidbey Island, Wash., flew an air pattern over Okanogan County, Wash., on 
> Thursday, Nov. 16, that left a condensed air trail resembling an obscene 
> image to observers on the ground.
> 
> The Officers and Sailors of the United States Navy are professionals, held to 
> the highest standards, while serving our nation with pride around world. The 
> actions of this aircrew were wholly unacceptable and antithetical to Navy 
> core values. We have grounded the aircrew and are conducting a thorough 
> investigation - and we will hold those responsible accountable for their 
> actions. The Navy apologizes for this irresponsible and immature act.
> 
> The Navy apologizes to anyone who was offended by this unacceptable action.
> 
> An investigation into this flight will be conducted and if appropriate, the 
> aviator(s) responsible will be held accountable.
> 
> Yeah, and if they pull off a stunt like this again, they'll be flying a cargo 
> plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong – no, wait, that's Top Gun.
> 
> Far be it from us to tell the United States Navy how to go about its 
> business, but there does seem to be a valid point to be made that this pilot 
> may have been merely training for a career with NASA's extraterrestrial 
> exploration team.
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/17/us_navy_sky_rude_drawing/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 14:16:24 -0500 archer75--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> Wife selected (Corian?) when we built this house 22 years ago. It's
> held up better than Formica and essentially still looks like new. It
> gives the impression of marble but seems to be impervious to stains and
> rough treatment. Granite is great for tombstones, but I can't see the
> practicality of it being used for countertops. Gerry

We put LG Viatera countertops - similar to Corian -- in our house in Los
Alamos.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

[MG via Mercedes]

We raised 4 girls with 1 bathroom. Not a problem.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I don't understand double sinks, you can't brush your teeth together? I guess 
if both the husband and wife are doing their makeup at the same time.
The other day on Reddit I said that a 4 bedroom house wasn't modest. They 
jumped all over me, I think a 2 bedroom house is modest for a couple if you had 
4 kids a bigger house would make more sense but the folks that owned our house 
raised 2 kids in it...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:04 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:   On a related topic, I think huge master bathrooms really stupid.  Double sinks, separate tub and shower, toilet compartment, all fine.  But those huge bathrooms that can hold an entire "tour of homes" group are a poor use of space not to mention cleaning.

Scott.


-Original Message-
From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes
I despise rock for a countertop.  Hard maple, or at least formica for me.
Formica is superior to rock in many ways.  cheaper, lighter, trouble free, no
maintenance, and a smoother surface to prevent bacteria growth.  Maple has
all that over rock, plus it is a natural antibacterial.

I am glad to see that the rock countertop craze is dying.  Gimme a shovel to
bury it.



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[MBZ] OT: Navy Derringdo

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Navy flyboy flings firmament phallus for flabbergasted folk

Highway to the donger zone

A US navy pilot in an F/A-18 GROWLER is facing stiff action – after crafting a 
novel flight pattern that left much of central Washington state staring up at 
an anatomy lesson.

The offending artist flew out of the Whidbey Island air station Thursday 
morning and deliberately painted the sky over the city of Okanogan with the ol' 
twig-n-berries.

Look, we'll stop beating about the bush: they drew a giant cock in the air. It 
isn't a bird, it isn't just a plane, it's a super dong, too.

Residents seemed to take the sky-scribble stroke of genius in their stride, 
with one mother telling the Spokesman-Review her 12-year-old son alerted her to 
the pilot's masterwork. "I thought it was pretty funny, and so did he. A lot of 
people have been talking about it," she said.

Unfortunately, the military's top brass, funnily enough, didn't care for the 
thrusting flight pattern, and are taking a rather hard stance. Officials argued 
that being able to control a multimillion-dollar war machine to trace out a 
giant mural of one's wedding tackle in the heavens isn't actually that amusing.

In a statement to The Register on Friday, a navy spokesperson said:

US Navy air crew, flying an F/A-18 Growler (Electronic Attack Aircraft) 
assigned to Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 130 based at Naval Air Station 
Whidbey Island, Wash., flew an air pattern over Okanogan County, Wash., on 
Thursday, Nov. 16, that left a condensed air trail resembling an obscene image 
to observers on the ground.

The Officers and Sailors of the United States Navy are professionals, held to 
the highest standards, while serving our nation with pride around world. The 
actions of this aircrew were wholly unacceptable and antithetical to Navy core 
values. We have grounded the aircrew and are conducting a thorough 
investigation - and we will hold those responsible accountable for their 
actions. The Navy apologizes for this irresponsible and immature act.

The Navy apologizes to anyone who was offended by this unacceptable action.

An investigation into this flight will be conducted and if appropriate, the 
aviator(s) responsible will be held accountable.

Yeah, and if they pull off a stunt like this again, they'll be flying a cargo 
plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong – no, wait, that's Top Gun.

Far be it from us to tell the United States Navy how to go about its business, 
but there does seem to be a valid point to be made that this pilot may have 
been merely training for a career with NASA's extraterrestrial exploration team.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/17/us_navy_sky_rude_drawing/


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Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The thing is, they are much cleverer than we are.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have an old Alaska pipeline cold weather coat trimmed with eastern
> coyote fur.
>
> One way to thin their ranks.
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> Sent: 17 November 2017 14:35
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners
>
> Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, November
> 17, 2017
>
> Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.
>
> Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which is
> why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.
>
> The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and their
> wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to
> scientists.
>
> But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike creatures,
> researchers said.
>
> "We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said Robert
> Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research Center.
> "The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution
> itself."
>
> The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad news
> for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top
> predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press
>  20/Getting-more-'wolflike'-is-the-key-to-the-future-for-coyotes>,
> Nov. 17).
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When a car costs 2/3 as much as a nicely appointed owner-operator grade 
conventional tractor, a super-cool tractor built like that car will cost a lot. 
And then there's the cost of duplicating 80 gallons of diesel fuel in lithium 
battery form. If they say $400k, I'll take their word for it. 
And like somebody (Fmiser?) said earlier, 80 gallons a day is short-haul, not 
OTR, fuel consumption. 
Mitch. 
> On November 17, 2017 at 2:19 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/609514/teslas-all-electric-semi-sounds-amazing-but-how-much-will-it-cost-exactly
>

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Re: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

I have an old Alaska pipeline cold weather coat trimmed with eastern coyote fur.

One way to thin their ranks.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Andrew Strasfogel 
via Mercedes 
Sent: 17 November 2017 14:35
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: [MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, November
17, 2017

Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.

Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which is
why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.

The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and their
wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to
scientists.

But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike creatures,
researchers said.

"We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said Robert
Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research Center.
"The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution
itself."

The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad news
for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top
predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press
,
Nov. 17).
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[MBZ] Heads Up Curt, Fred and the rest of us easterners

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Coyote could become the wolf of the East CoastPublished: Friday, November
17, 2017

Coyotes might need to become the "wolves" of the East Coast to survive.

Coyotes in the East are actually a mix of coyote, wolf and dog, which is
why they tend to be bigger than their counterparts in the West.

The carnivores has expanded their territory in the past 80 years, and their
wolflike traits are helping them thrive on the East Coast, according to
scientists.

But humans will have to coexist with these increasingly wolflike creatures,
researchers said.

"We now have a novel, large canid to take over that new role," said Robert
Crabtree, chief scientist of the Yellowstone Ecological Research Center.
"The right size is going to be selected for us by biological evolution
itself."

The coyotes might become more effective predators, which could be bad news
for deer. Ultimately, it could mean that the coyote becomes the top
predator on the East Coast (Patrick Whittle, Associated Press
,
Nov. 17).
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[MBZ] Mose Day

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=17=YNG7_aAhyY4


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/609514/teslas-all-electric-semi-sounds-amazing-but-how-much-will-it-cost-exactly

--FT

On 11/17/17 1:14 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Max wrote:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/

More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a
standard diesel truck would be 20% more expensive to operate
than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per mile compared to $1.51 per mile.

Does that price per mile include battery replacement?  Or are they
ignoring that elephant in the closet?


...Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared
to a standard truck,

There is no "standard" truck!  Average can be approximately
determined, but without mentioning the engine, transmission, and
differential of the "standard" truck we really can't compare.


Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied this stat: a
500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds.

Ugh!  That isn't even a full "shift".  I drove one truck that only
had 200 gallons.  It was a day-cab used for local work only and
the range was still annoying.  On a truck used over-the-road, I
found less than 1000 mile range to be bothersome.  The article
then says "charging to 80% would take only 30 minutes".  With
that, it _might_ work.  HoS (Hours of Service) rules say a 30 min
break is required within the 11 hour driving shift.  But that
break would have to be taken at a charging station.  And a full
charge would take longer and also require a charging station,
presumably while the drive is off-duty.  It's hard enough to find
a parking spot for a truck that doesn't need to be recharged for
the next driving shift.

The article also says, "drive the cost-per-mile below that of
today’s gas-powered machines".  There are effectively zero
gasoline powered class 8 trucks.  Maybe a few with spark engines
running on propane... Makes me wonder about the accuracy of the
rest of it, though elsewhere it refers to diesel.

And the name bugs me. "semi" is in reference to tho "semi-trailer"
that most truck and trailer rigs in the US use.  With the wheels
at the far aft end, approx 50% of the trailer weight is on the
truck, thus making it not really a full trailer, just a partial,
incomplete, or semi-trailer.

I think the Nikola One is a better approach.  Using hydrogen it
can be "recharged" about as quickly as a diesel tank can be filled.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not practical unless you want to demonstrate the bell curve for the
distribution of shattered dish shards.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Wife selected (Corian?) when we built this house 22 years ago. It's held
> up better than Formica and essentially still looks like new. It gives the
> impression of marble but seems to be impervious to stains and rough
> treatment.
> Granite is great for tombstones, but I can't see the practicality of it
> being used for countertops.
> Gerry
> ~~
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > The biggest advantage of granite is that it teaches you the precise value
> > of infinity.  I dropped a plate on the counter and the shards went
> > everywhere.  I counted them up and it totaled exactly infinity.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I despise rock for a countertop.  Hard maple, or at least formica for
> me.
> > > Formica is superior to rock in many ways.  cheaper, lighter, trouble
> free,
> > > no maintenance, and a smoother surface to prevent bacteria growth.
> Maple
> > > has all that over rock, plus it is a natural antibacterial.
> > >
> > > I am glad to see that the rock countertop craze is dying.  Gimme a
> shovel
> > > to bury it.
> > >
> > >> OK Don via Mercedes 
> > >> November 16, 2017 at 8:27 PM
> > >> We think that our "blue pearl" granite is even more stunning than
> black -
> > >> it's black with blue iridescent flakes.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Greetings from RI

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I like the two-tone although champagne would also be unusual.  Does it have
burled or plain walnut interior?  Color of seats?

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> There are some photos I put up here:
> https://instagram.com/p/Bbk2VTgjiCY/
>
> It’s been sitting for 30 years, so despite the good looking paint it’s
> kinda rough. Someone Recently waxed it to prep for sale.   I’m not sure if
> it’s going to be better for parts, but I’m leaning that way.
>
> It’s two tone, but started out as all gold.  Brown leather is intact but
> the stitching is blown out on the front seats.  Wood is burl and very nice,
> no water damage.  Becker Grandprix still in place.
>
> Has a limited slip diff and fanfare horns.
>
> Body has damage to the front passenger fender and the front bumper is
> pushed in enough that the grill hits when closing.
>
> Air suspension rose up quickly with my 175psi compressor but a rear air bag
> sprung a small audible leak after a minute of two.  But it was enough to
> push out and load onto the trailer
>
> I bought a cheap portable winch on amazon for $90.  Outstanding buy.
> Pulled the car right up on the trailer no problem.  Slow and noisy but sure
> beats pushing and a come along!
>
> Jaime
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:43 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey how about some pictures or at least a basic description, e.g. 5 speed
> > transmission, never driven outside, ICE COLD air, great condition for
> it's
> > age, etc.
> >
> > Seriously - would really appreciate the color scheme so I can drool
> > privately.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Jamie great to hear from you.
> > >
> > > I'm in the great white North, we had a little snow overnight and it's
> > > fixing to do more today. I've managed to relax to the point that all
> the
> > > "go" has gone out of me. I might leave the camp to go farther than the
> > > outhouse today but I dunno.
> > > Good luck with your latest adventure!
> > > Curt
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> to
> > > pick up a 300sel 4.5 that’s been
> > > sitting 25 years in Attleboro MA.
> > >
> > > Wish I had time to solcialize, but gotta make it home by tonight.
> So...
> > > hello RI!
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Wife selected (Corian?) when we built this house 22 years ago. It's held up 
better than Formica and essentially still looks like new. It gives the 
impression of marble but seems to be impervious to stains and rough treatment.
Granite is great for tombstones, but I can't see the practicality of it being 
used for countertops.
Gerry
~~
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> The biggest advantage of granite is that it teaches you the precise value
> of infinity.  I dropped a plate on the counter and the shards went
> everywhere.  I counted them up and it totaled exactly infinity.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I despise rock for a countertop.  Hard maple, or at least formica for me.
> > Formica is superior to rock in many ways.  cheaper, lighter, trouble free,
> > no maintenance, and a smoother surface to prevent bacteria growth.  Maple
> > has all that over rock, plus it is a natural antibacterial.
> >
> > I am glad to see that the rock countertop craze is dying.  Gimme a shovel
> > to bury it.
> >
> >> OK Don via Mercedes 
> >> November 16, 2017 at 8:27 PM
> >> We think that our "blue pearl" granite is even more stunning than black -
> >> it's black with blue iridescent flakes.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Car for Snook - cheaper than a house?

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It would be double the price if it had an engine.

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/1984-mercedes-
> benz-300sd-5/6351589279.html
>
> Crack price, probably about a $4k car.
> -
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Re: [MBZ] OT gross story of the day - DON'T READ ANDREW!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm out of the cat litter composting business due to logistical challenges
in the new house...

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On November 17, 2017 at 8:53 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42021373
>
> I thought it might have something to do with cats.
> Close, it has something to do with poo.
>
> Parasites, especially worms, are thought to be widespread in North Korea.
> However, they also affect many developing countries where diets include
> uncooked vegetables fertilised with faeces.
>
> There are ways to treat faeces so they can be used as a safe fertiliser,
> but many poor countries neglect to do so. Prof Lankov says this seems to be
> the case in North Korea and Maryland.
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Re: [MBZ] M and R Heated Seats Class Action?

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> On November 16, 2017 at 6:16 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Just received a letter today from some outfit with a Class suit on some ML 
> (2000-2005) and some R vehicles pertaining to overheating seats burning holes 
> in seat covers. There's about 20 pages of legalese. From what little I know 
> about these class cases, they benefit mostly the lawyers.


Yup, lawyers get cash. We don't.
The problem with class actions is that there are 3 parties to the suit, and 
only two of them are represented. 
The 3 parties are:
1. the allegedly victimized consumers.
2. the lawyers allegedly working for the consumers.
3. the manufacturer. 
Should we be surprised that when parties #2 and #3 get together to discuss a 
settlement agreement, they agree to set it up so that #2 gets paid and #1 gets 
thrown under the bus while #3 walks away from potential liability?

I got my letter today, and the options are:
1. Do nothing and get the default settlement. When/if your seat heaters fail, 
MBZ will pay PART of the cost of the repair. Being part of the class action 
eliminates your right to sue MBZ over the seat heaters if your car should catch 
fire later. 
2. Opt for the seat heater bypass wiring upgrade by January, and MBZ will 
install it for free. Selecting this option means MBZ won't pay part of the cost 
if your seat heaters die later. Again, you lose your right to sue, because the 
class action lawyers already sued on their, I mean, your behalf.  
3. Opt out of the suit, and it's as if the class action never happened. You 
don't get squat from MBZ unless you sue them. 
4. Object to the settlement and hope the judge is on your side and not the side 
of the two parties that negotiated the settlement. 

Basically, it's a means for class action law firms to get a bunch of money in 
exchange for MBZ getting rid of liability for the seat heaters, but if you 
demand it, MBZ will rewire your seat heaters in exchange for getting rid of the 
liability for the seat heaters. I suppose if you take the fix and it catches 
fire later, you can start a new class action over the "dangerous fix" they 
applied to your car. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Max wrote:

> https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/
> 
> More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a
> standard diesel truck would be 20% more expensive to operate
> than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per mile compared to $1.51 per mile.

Does that price per mile include battery replacement?  Or are they
ignoring that elephant in the closet?

> ...Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared
> to a standard truck,

There is no "standard" truck!  Average can be approximately
determined, but without mentioning the engine, transmission, and
differential of the "standard" truck we really can't compare.

> Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied this stat: a
> 500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds.

Ugh!  That isn't even a full "shift".  I drove one truck that only
had 200 gallons.  It was a day-cab used for local work only and
the range was still annoying.  On a truck used over-the-road, I
found less than 1000 mile range to be bothersome.  The article
then says "charging to 80% would take only 30 minutes".  With
that, it _might_ work.  HoS (Hours of Service) rules say a 30 min
break is required within the 11 hour driving shift.  But that
break would have to be taken at a charging station.  And a full
charge would take longer and also require a charging station,
presumably while the drive is off-duty.  It's hard enough to find
a parking spot for a truck that doesn't need to be recharged for
the next driving shift.

The article also says, "drive the cost-per-mile below that of
today’s gas-powered machines".  There are effectively zero
gasoline powered class 8 trucks.  Maybe a few with spark engines
running on propane... Makes me wonder about the accuracy of the
rest of it, though elsewhere it refers to diesel.

And the name bugs me. "semi" is in reference to tho "semi-trailer"
that most truck and trailer rigs in the US use.  With the wheels
at the far aft end, approx 50% of the trailer weight is on the
truck, thus making it not really a full trailer, just a partial,
incomplete, or semi-trailer.

I think the Nikola One is a better approach.  Using hydrogen it
can be "recharged" about as quickly as a diesel tank can be filled.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's CoPart fun, a $225 S430

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 17, 2017 at 12:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Knacker fodder, no way they would get $1400.  Would take another $k or 2 
> to get it lifted unless you wanted to move to East LA

Yes, it's knacker fodder now, but did the insco pay the owner $1400 because 
they think that's what a W220 is worth, or because that's what they think a 
W220 with flat shocks is worth? I'm leaning towards "2000 S430, average retail 
$1400, pay the man and send his car to CoPart", but maybe they actually tried 
to appraise the pre-crash condition and base their offer on that.

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Re: [MBZ] Today's CoPart fun, a $225 S430

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Knacker fodder, no way they would get $1400.  Would take another $k or 2 
to get it lifted unless you wanted to move to East LA


--FT


On 11/17/17 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Reserve not met, but insurance company says it was worth $1400 before the 
crash, so they might accept the $225 high bid. Are those things really worth 
$1400 retail, or are they worth $1400 with flat suspension?
https://www.copart.com/lot/45313137

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The long awaited blackpowder pistol

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Doesn't work, there's always black on the sheet. Only about 80% of the powder 
actually burns. The traditional method is to keep adding powder until accuracy 
falls off and then dial back a bit. 

I'm going to shoot over dad's chronograph some and see where the velocity 
increase slows down, that'll be my hunting load, probably around 80 grains. I'd 
like to have the 127 grain ball moving around 2000fps.

Curt

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  On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 1:54 AM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:   > Curt wrote:

> I'm using 50 grains of powder in that but may go up
> to 60, my flintlock .45 likes that load a little better. 

I think the traditional way to figure the load is to lay the rifle
with the muzzle on a white sheet.  Increase the load until there
is lots of soot on the sheet.  That indicates wasted powder.  I
don't know how that effects the accuracy.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't understand double sinks, you can't brush your teeth together? I guess 
if both the husband and wife are doing their makeup at the same time.
The other day on Reddit I said that a 4 bedroom house wasn't modest. They 
jumped all over me, I think a 2 bedroom house is modest for a couple if you had 
4 kids a bigger house would make more sense but the folks that owned our house 
raised 2 kids in it...

Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   On a related topic, I think huge 
master bathrooms really stupid.  Double sinks, separate tub and shower, toilet 
compartment, all fine.  But those huge bathrooms that can hold an entire "tour 
of homes" group are a poor use of space not to mention cleaning.
Scott.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes
> I despise rock for a countertop.  Hard maple, or at least formica for me.
> Formica is superior to rock in many ways.  cheaper, lighter, trouble free, no
> maintenance, and a smoother surface to prevent bacteria growth.  Maple has
> all that over rock, plus it is a natural antibacterial.
> 
> I am glad to see that the rock countertop craze is dying.  Gimme a shovel to
> bury it.


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Re: [MBZ] Greetings from RI

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

There are some photos I put up here:
https://instagram.com/p/Bbk2VTgjiCY/

It’s been sitting for 30 years, so despite the good looking paint it’s
kinda rough. Someone Recently waxed it to prep for sale.   I’m not sure if
it’s going to be better for parts, but I’m leaning that way.

It’s two tone, but started out as all gold.  Brown leather is intact but
the stitching is blown out on the front seats.  Wood is burl and very nice,
no water damage.  Becker Grandprix still in place.

Has a limited slip diff and fanfare horns.

Body has damage to the front passenger fender and the front bumper is
pushed in enough that the grill hits when closing.

Air suspension rose up quickly with my 175psi compressor but a rear air bag
sprung a small audible leak after a minute of two.  But it was enough to
push out and load onto the trailer

I bought a cheap portable winch on amazon for $90.  Outstanding buy.
Pulled the car right up on the trailer no problem.  Slow and noisy but sure
beats pushing and a come along!

Jaime

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 2:43 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hey how about some pictures or at least a basic description, e.g. 5 speed
> transmission, never driven outside, ICE COLD air, great condition for it's
> age, etc.
>
> Seriously - would really appreciate the color scheme so I can drool
> privately.
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Jamie great to hear from you.
> >
> > I'm in the great white North, we had a little snow overnight and it's
> > fixing to do more today. I've managed to relax to the point that all the
> > "go" has gone out of me. I might leave the camp to go farther than the
> > outhouse today but I dunno.
> > Good luck with your latest adventure!
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >   On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I’m back in RI today, passing through to
> > pick up a 300sel 4.5 that’s been
> > sitting 25 years in Attleboro MA.
> >
> > Wish I had time to solcialize, but gotta make it home by tonight.  So...
> > hello RI!
> >
> > Jaime
> >
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[MBZ] Today's CoPart fun, a $225 S430

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Reserve not met, but insurance company says it was worth $1400 before the 
crash, so they might accept the $225 high bid. Are those things really worth 
$1400 retail, or are they worth $1400 with flat suspension?
https://www.copart.com/lot/45313137

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Re: [MBZ] OT gross story of the day - DON'T READ ANDREW!

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 17, 2017 at 8:53 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42021373

I thought it might have something to do with cats. 
Close, it has something to do with poo. 

Parasites, especially worms, are thought to be widespread in North Korea. 
However, they also affect many developing countries where diets include 
uncooked vegetables fertilised with faeces.

There are ways to treat faeces so they can be used as a safe fertiliser, but 
many poor countries neglect to do so. Prof Lankov says this seems to be the 
case in North Korea and Maryland.

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Re: [MBZ] OT The invasion has begun

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, we get those all the time. Those ET critters are mostly harmless.

On Nov 17, 2017 9:23 AM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> http://nuforc.org/webreports/ndxlSC.html
>
> --FT
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[MBZ] OT The invasion has begun

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://nuforc.org/webreports/ndxlSC.html

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Interesting.  I hope it works out.  Looks like he is incorporating solar 
power into the charging network which would remove the displaced 
emissions aspect of electrics.


--R


On 11/17/17 7:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/

..."Even with 80,000 pounds it'll get to 60 mph in 20 seconds," Musk said,
hopping out of a truck. "What about up a hill?"

More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a standard diesel
truck would be 20% more expensive to operate than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per
mile compared to $1.51 per mile.

...Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared to a
standard truck, he said. Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied
this stat: a 500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds."
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Max
Charleston SC
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[MBZ] OT gross story of the day - DON'T READ ANDREW!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42021373

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Re: [MBZ] The cath is done

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

That's the bad thing about high blood pressure, you don't feel bad when it's in 
the danger zone.  You feel bad when you have damaged your heart or had a stroke 
of some sort.

I can tell if mine is up -- I'm all fired up and ready to go at things.  When 
it's "normal" my butt is dragging and all I want to do is take a nap.


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[MBZ] Car for Snook - cheaper than a house?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/1984-mercedes-benz-300sd-5/6351589279.html

Crack price, probably about a $4k car.
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[MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/

..."Even with 80,000 pounds it'll get to 60 mph in 20 seconds," Musk said,
hopping out of a truck. "What about up a hill?"

More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a standard diesel
truck would be 20% more expensive to operate than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per
mile compared to $1.51 per mile.

...Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared to a
standard truck, he said. Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied
this stat: a 500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds."
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Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

OK, it’s early.  Yes, it was a really big house (+4,000 sf) but….

-D

> On Nov 17, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The master bath in our former house in Indianapolis had a really nice master 
> bath.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New/Old Home Purchase

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The master bath in our former house in Indianapolis had a really nice master 
bath.  It wasn’t huge, but it had a lot of nice amenities, such as heated 
floors, a “party shower” that was about 6’x6’ with two shower heads and body 
sprays, big soaking tub, etc.  The heated floors were especially nice in those 
cold winter months.

My youngest son, who was about 16 at the time, coined the phrase “party shower” 
when he first saw it.  Not sure where that came from, didn’t want to know….

-D


> On Nov 17, 2017, at 1:04 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On a related topic, I think huge master bathrooms really stupid.  Double 
> sinks, separate tub and shower, toilet compartment, all fine.  But those huge 
> bathrooms that can hold an entire "tour of homes" group are a poor use of 
> space not to mention cleaning.
> Scott.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Curley McLain via Mercedes
>> I despise rock for a countertop.  Hard maple, or at least formica for me.
>> Formica is superior to rock in many ways.  cheaper, lighter, trouble free, no
>> maintenance, and a smoother surface to prevent bacteria growth.  Maple has
>> all that over rock, plus it is a natural antibacterial.
>> 
>> I am glad to see that the rock countertop craze is dying.  Gimme a shovel to
>> bury it.
> 
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