Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

At what point will all EVs have universal charging ports?

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 8:14 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On April 29, 2019 at 7:57 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  The autopilot was kind of frightening to have operational. I think I'd
> probably never use it, the car is lovely to drive, if I had one I'd want to
> drive it myself.
>
> Did you try Ludicrous Mode?
> From what I hear, it removes the soft start function and slams you forward
> like you got smacked in the butt with a giant sledgehammer.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

The combined water/sewer/trash bill arrived this morning on the house in 
Seattle.  For the pleasure of using no water from Jan.1 until April 16, I got a 
bill for $146.78.  No rebate for being on “vacation”.  The trash service did 
charge me an extra $6.50 to be on vacation, but gave a credit for not putting 
out yard waste/compost or recycling.

Sometimes I wish bad things would happen to bad civic leaders.  Why could the 
crane have not fallen on the mayor and squished her car?

clay, 

> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:02 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> In other words:  T'ain't practical unless you rob other people at gun
>> point to pay for it.


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Re: [MBZ] old and older

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

The year my youngest was elegable for his Socialist Fund dispersal, I think 
SWMBA spent more than this for mental health counseling so he would remain 
alive in up here.

clay
> On Apr 27, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> I think my sanity would be worth more than $3k


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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On April 29, 2019 at 7:57 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  The autopilot was kind of frightening to have operational. I think I'd 
> probably never use it, the car is lovely to drive, if I had one I'd want to 
> drive it myself.

Did you try Ludicrous Mode?
>From what I hear, it removes the soft start function and slams you forward 
>like you got smacked in the butt with a giant sledgehammer. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

The whole point of Tesla is it's not supposed to be a local only car, although 
I bet that's how 95% of the miles are driven in them.
 
IIRC, a car with 200 mile range should be able to go all over Michigan's lower 
peninsula (far from a hotbed of EV activity) stopping at Tesla Superchargers 
along the way. 
It's the J1772 plugs that are too hard to find around here. 
EDIT: I just checked, and Tesla availability is about what I remember from 2 
1/2 years ago, but the 240V Level 2 J1772 population is several times bigger 
than it was in 2016.
DC Combo (J1772 based level 3 fast chargers) are still useless once you get 
north of Grand Rapids however, everything up north that I can find on 
Chargepoint is Level 1, Level 2, or Tesla. 
https://na.chargepoint.com/charge_point

If I had a Spark EV with its slow speed 3.3kW level 2 charger (Level 2 on a 
Spark is about 15 miles per hour or 7 hours for a full charge) I could travel 
all over Michigan now. But I'd be limited to about 100 miles on an overnight 
charge if I ventured past Grand Rapids or Lansing into the great north. As long 
as I stay in the highly populated region, I can drive around and grab a 20 
minute half charge off a Level 3 station every 40-50 miles. But that still 
doesn't compare to putting gas in a car every 400-600 miles. It's a huge 
improvement though, for in 2016 I'd pretty much have to go to Windsor or 
Chicago to find a Chevy compatible Level 3 station. 

Mitch. 
 
> On April 29, 2019 at 7:28 PM archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There are a number of Tesla owners on another list.
> They spend a lot of time justifying all the hoops they have to jump through 
> before and during a trip beyond the Teslas range. 
> Others think Tesla and it's coming clones from MB, BMW, VW, and others will 
> become "local" cars which seldom make long trips; barring the invention of 
> much higher capacity batteries or other power storing devices.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The autopilot was kind of frightening to have operational. I think I'd 
probably never use it, the car is lovely to drive, if I had one I'd want to 
drive it myself.

-Curt

On Monday, April 29, 2019, 2:55:16 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> One wonders at the vehicle maintenance and repair costs

In theory, they should be low.

Electric drivetrain is relatively simple and robust, software is updated
over-the-air.

The stuff I've heard of going wrong is mostly nuisance stuff such as
door handles, and the Autopilot occasionally driving into a stationary
object at 70mph.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:54:29 -0400
Allan Streib via Mercedes  wrote:

> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
> > One wonders at the vehicle maintenance and repair costs
> 
> In theory, they should be low.
> 
> Electric drivetrain is relatively simple and robust, software is updated
> over-the-air.
> 
> The stuff I've heard of going wrong is mostly nuisance stuff such as
> door handles, and the Autopilot occasionally driving into a stationary
> object at 70mph.
> 
> Allan
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There are a number of Tesla owners on another list.
They spend a lot of time justifying all the hoops they have to jump through 
before and during a trip beyond the Teslas range. 
Others think Tesla and it's coming clones from MB, BMW, VW, and others will 
become "local" cars which seldom make long trips; barring the invention of much 
higher capacity batteries or other power storing devices.
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Getting Another Key

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Go to dealer with registration and valid ID and order one or two.

-D

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 6:12 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So someone needs to remind me. What is the procedure on getting another key 
> from Mercedes? I haven’t done it in a good long while and I don’t remember.
> 
> Bob R
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[MBZ] Getting Another Key

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

So someone needs to remind me. What is the procedure on getting another key 
from Mercedes? I haven’t done it in a good long while and I don’t remember.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah, the Tonga dealer didn’t have any in stock. 

--FT
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> On Apr 29, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> They probably had a send someone with ID and a copy of the registration to 
> the closest dealer to get the key…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In 1972, the leader of one of the very tiniest countries (Tonga) imported a
>> grosser 600 to drive around his island nation (8 miles of roads).
>> Unfortunately, the 600 arrived sans key so it sat on the docks for two
>> months waiting for a replacement key from Germany.
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:09 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
 On 29/04/2019 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 It is impossible to credibly use Ford Focus and Chauffeur in the same
 sentence.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Err uh, err uh, Senatah Kennedy (D-UI) was err uh not in favah of them offshoah 
in err uh Nantucket Sound as they would err uh represent an impediment to his 
err uh sailing prowess, especially err uh while SUI. 

But he has err uh been sobah now for err uh 7 or 8 yeahs so he might err uh 
have a different opinion now. 

--FT
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> On Apr 29, 2019, at 4:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, rich upright primates don't like them either.   There have been some 
> pretty spectacular NIMBY cases out east.
> 
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 3:28 PM:
>> Wind ain’t no picnic you know. Wildlife promptly evacuate areas within miles 
>> of windfarms. They don’t like the sound of the turbines.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bergey Windpower is located on the airport in Norman, OK - used to see
>>> their test and experimental models all the time when we lived near there.
>>> Back then, most of their sales were to developing regions, not the US.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/04/2019 1:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

One wonders at the vehicle maintenance and repair costs

If one can afford a Tesla, one does not worry about maintenance and 
repair costs . . . .


AND one would not be able to find parts or knowledgeable service folks 
anyway so . . . .



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Siting issues are a problem for all energy sources:  oil and gas wells,
centralized solar, pipelines, coal mines, nuclear power plants and waste
repositories, and wind turbines.  Best solution for wind is offshore - out
of sight and with less chances of avian mortalities.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:33 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, rich upright primates don't like them either.   There have been
> some pretty spectacular NIMBY cases out east.
>
> Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 3:28 PM:
> > Wind ain’t no picnic you know. Wildlife promptly evacuate areas within
> miles of windfarms. They don’t like the sound of the turbines.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Bergey Windpower is located on the airport in Norman, OK - used to see
> >> their test and experimental models all the time when we lived near
> there.
> >> Back then, most of their sales were to developing regions, not the US.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They probably had a send someone with ID and a copy of the registration to the 
closest dealer to get the key…

-D


> On Apr 29, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In 1972, the leader of one of the very tiniest countries (Tonga) imported a
> grosser 600 to drive around his island nation (8 miles of roads).
> Unfortunately, the 600 arrived sans key so it sat on the docks for two
> months waiting for a replacement key from Germany.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:09 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 29/04/2019 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> It is impossible to credibly use Ford Focus and Chauffeur in the same
>>> sentence.
>>> 
>> Unless, one is the dictator in a very small country.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In 1972, the leader of one of the very tiniest countries (Tonga) imported a
grosser 600 to drive around his island nation (8 miles of roads).
Unfortunately, the 600 arrived sans key so it sat on the docks for two
months waiting for a replacement key from Germany.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 4:09 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 29/04/2019 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > It is impossible to credibly use Ford Focus and Chauffeur in the same
> > sentence.
> >
> Unless, one is the dictator in a very small country.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, rich upright primates don't like them either.   There have been 
some pretty spectacular NIMBY cases out east.


Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 3:28 PM:

Wind ain’t no picnic you know. Wildlife promptly evacuate areas within miles of 
windfarms. They don’t like the sound of the turbines.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

Bergey Windpower is located on the airport in Norman, OK - used to see
their test and experimental models all the time when we lived near there.
Back then, most of their sales were to developing regions, not the US.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, we had friends who lived "off the grid", primarily because there 
was no Lektrick to their place, and the cost of running it there varied 
from the low 5 figgers to high 5 figgers and up.  For them, wind and 
solar make sense.   The cost per KwH is high, but they learn to live 
with few KwH.  Propane stoves and refr are pretty common amongst "off 
the gridders."   Not many people buy a servell propane refr when they 
can use an elektrick one.


One family ran a PTO generator, but the HS aged daughter with long hair 
was not extremely careful, and not her hair wound up in the PTO.   Not 
pretty.  She lived, but was scalped alive.   Everything has advantages 
and disadvantages.


The military is a big consumer of flexible solar cells, because they 
have need to be in "off the grid" places or not being tied into the grid.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 2:52 PM:

Bergey Windpower is located on the airport in Norman, OK - used to see
their test and experimental models all the time when we lived near there.
Back then, most of their sales were to developing regions, not the US.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Wind ain’t no picnic you know. Wildlife promptly evacuate areas within miles of 
windfarms. They don’t like the sound of the turbines.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:52 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Bergey Windpower is located on the airport in Norman, OK - used to see
> their test and experimental models all the time when we lived near there.
> Back then, most of their sales were to developing regions, not the US.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> In fact, the Northeast, along with the West Coast, have some of the most
>> robust policies encouraging renewable energy development, and that's what's
>> driving the installations, said Mike Bergey, chief executive officer of
>> turbine supplier Bergey Windpower.
>> 
>> "If it was related to wind, Montana or Wyoming would be in the lead," he
>> said, but "New York and Massachusetts in particular have been aggressive on
>> promoting clean energy at both large and small scale." *— Gerald Porter,
>> Jr., Bloomberg*
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Floyd and Curley violently agree

--FT
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> On Apr 29, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, absolutely.   I have always been for no gummit intervention in the free 
> market.  No incentives/subsidies/tax breaks  for wind, solar, coal, NG, CNG, 
> propane, petroleum, etc.   That said, things like the REA for bringing 
> lektrick or internet to areas where no private company can justify building 
> lines has some justification.
> 
> The gummit should get out of areas not specified in the constitution. They 
> SHOULD mind the business specified in the Constitution, like protecting the 
> country from all enemies, domestic and foreign.
> 
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote on 4/29/19 1:06 PM:
> 
> Would you agree to get rid of fossil fuel subsidies as well?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yes, absolutely.   I have always been for no gummit intervention in the 
free market.  No incentives/subsidies/tax breaks  for wind, solar, coal, 
NG, CNG, propane, petroleum, etc.   That said, things like the REA for 
bringing lektrick or internet to areas where no private company can 
justify building lines has some justification.


The gummit should get out of areas not specified in the constitution. 
They SHOULD mind the business specified in the Constitution, like 
protecting the country from all enemies, domestic and foreign.



Andrew Strasfogel wrote on 4/29/19 1:06 PM:

Would you agree to get rid of fossil fuel subsidies as well?

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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/04/2019 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

It is impossible to credibly use Ford Focus and Chauffeur in the same
sentence.


Unless, one is the dictator in a very small country.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Bergey Windpower is located on the airport in Norman, OK - used to see
their test and experimental models all the time when we lived near there.
Back then, most of their sales were to developing regions, not the US.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 12:56 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> In fact, the Northeast, along with the West Coast, have some of the most
> robust policies encouraging renewable energy development, and that's what's
> driving the installations, said Mike Bergey, chief executive officer of
> turbine supplier Bergey Windpower.
>
> "If it was related to wind, Montana or Wyoming would be in the lead," he
> said, but "New York and Massachusetts in particular have been aggressive on
> promoting clean energy at both large and small scale." *— Gerald Porter,
> Jr., Bloomberg*
>
>

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> One wonders at the vehicle maintenance and repair costs

In theory, they should be low.

Electric drivetrain is relatively simple and robust, software is updated
over-the-air.

The stuff I've heard of going wrong is mostly nuisance stuff such as
door handles, and the Autopilot occasionally driving into a stationary
object at 70mph.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks Greg - very encouraging. Percocets are so awesome that I made it a
point to stop taking them as soon as possible.  Celebrex not as effective,
so I switched to ibuprofen  Now am only taking a baby aspirin 2x daily and
apply massive ice packs ice when the knee starts to ache.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:28 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Best wishes to Andrew and MMM for quick and complete recoveries!
>
> I wanted to be able to double-clutch again, so I had both done at the same
> time. It was partly a financial decision, as I had reached my maximum
> out-of-pocket for the year. Mine were total replacements using a zirconium
> implant, which has a longer expected service life than other alloys.
> Recovery took a while, but the only real problem was some withdrawal
> symptoms from the opioids. I took much less than the prescribed dosage, and
> was thus surprised by the result. I should have tapered off rather than
> stop suddenly.
>
> The end result was very good and so worth it all.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 6:05 PM
> To: Mercedes List
> Cc: Dan Penoff
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:
>
> Did you do them both at the same time? Just curious…
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes but having knee replacements was best thing I could have done. Now I
> could double clutch my old 240D. (Mercedes content.)
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:38 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Double ditto.
> >
> > Andrew - hope you didn’t do both at the same time….ouch!
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ditto.
> > >
> > > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
>
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Re: [MBZ] Prescription drug abuse in the more well-off parts of the community

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You will be so NOT disappointed.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 10:29 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Always premium Gas with 93 octane was used.  only recommended advanced
> fully synthetic Mobil 1 0w-40 motor oil was used
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Best wishes to Andrew and MMM for quick and complete recoveries!

I wanted to be able to double-clutch again, so I had both done at the same 
time. It was partly a financial decision, as I had reached my maximum 
out-of-pocket for the year. Mine were total replacements using a zirconium 
implant, which has a longer expected service life than other alloys. Recovery 
took a while, but the only real problem was some withdrawal symptoms from the 
opioids. I took much less than the prescribed dosage, and was thus surprised by 
the result. I should have tapered off rather than stop suddenly.

The end result was very good and so worth it all.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff 
via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 6:05 PM
To: Mercedes List
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

Did you do them both at the same time? Just curious…

-D


> On Apr 28, 2019, at 9:02 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Yes but having knee replacements was best thing I could have done. Now I 
> could double clutch my old 240D. (Mercedes content.)
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 8:38 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> Double ditto.
> 
> Andrew - hope you didn’t do both at the same time….ouch!
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Apr 28, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Ditto.
> > 
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It is impossible to credibly use Ford Focus and Chauffeur in the same
sentence.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> True. However, I don’t have servants, but I do have family members that
> would help out in times of need.
>
> Heck, if I could get someone else to drive me around that would be great!
> I would still want to have the ability to come and go as I please,
> toothere’s much to be said for independence.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Depends on if you value independence or having servants more.
> >
> > My ancestry has always come down on the independence side.   So far,
> I've seen no record of any servants in any of my ancestors.   I come down
> on the independent side.
> >
> > Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 7:50 AM:
> >> Why drive with your left foot when you can have someone chauffeur you
> around?
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

One wonders at the vehicle maintenance and repair costs

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:19 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I asked that and yes, it puts on the brake lights during regen braking.
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:14 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> writes:
>
> > The regenative braking is quit aggressive, a bit like riding the brake
> as you come off the accelerator which means you rarely need the brakes in
> normal driving. I imagine the brakes will last a long time...
>
> Offset by the number of people who run into you from behind because they
> don't see any brake lights and don't realize you're slowing down.
>
> Or does the Tesla illuminate the brake lights when it's doing regen
> braking?
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Would you agree to get rid of fossil fuel subsidies as well?

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:18 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did not read, does it list for comparison the various takings from the
> taxpayers to make it "cheap?"  The utility aspect is pure politics, who
> is in the pocket of the utilities to allow them to make the most money.
>
> Whether or not wind power is viable should come down to what it costs to
> install and operate a machine and deliver power to an end user, with all
> aspects being equal to other options.
>
> --FT
>
> On 4/29/19 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I think all of us take advantage of tax breaks - it's  the American way!
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:02 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In other words:  T'ain't practical unless you rob other people at gun
> >> point to pay for it.
> >>
> >> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 12:56 PM:
> >>> Curt et al -  fyi
> >>> RENEWABLESBiggest U.S. market for tiny wind farms isn't the
> >> breeziestPublished:
> >>> Monday, April 29, 2019
> >>>
> >>> Turns out the best place to install a small turbine in the U.S. isn't
> the
> >>> Plains, where winds blow the strongest, but the Northeast where the
> >>> incentives are better.
> >>>
> >>> The Northeast is home to the most capacity of net-metered wind power —
> >> the
> >>> small-scale, behind-the-meter kind installed by homes and businesses —
> >> with
> >>> Massachusetts having the most in the U.S., Energy Information
> >>> Administration data show. States in the region offer net-metering
> >> programs
> >>> that allow customers to install wind turbines and credit them for the
> >> power
> >>> they supply to the grid.
> >>>
> >>> In fact, the Northeast, along with the West Coast, have some of the
> most
> >>> robust policies encouraging renewable energy development, and that's
> >> what's
> >>> driving the installations, said Mike Bergey, chief executive officer of
> >>> turbine supplier Bergey Windpower.
> >>>
> >>> "If it was related to wind, Montana or Wyoming would be in the lead,"
> he
> >>> said, but "New York and Massachusetts in particular have been
> aggressive
> >> on
> >>> promoting clean energy at both large and small scale." *— Gerald
> Porter,
> >>> Jr., Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Did not read, does it list for comparison the various takings from the 
taxpayers to make it "cheap?"  The utility aspect is pure politics, who 
is in the pocket of the utilities to allow them to make the most money.


Whether or not wind power is viable should come down to what it costs to 
install and operate a machine and deliver power to an end user, with all 
aspects being equal to other options.


--FT

On 4/29/19 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I think all of us take advantage of tax breaks - it's  the American way!

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:02 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


In other words:  T'ain't practical unless you rob other people at gun
point to pay for it.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 12:56 PM:

Curt et al -  fyi
RENEWABLESBiggest U.S. market for tiny wind farms isn't the

breeziestPublished:

Monday, April 29, 2019

Turns out the best place to install a small turbine in the U.S. isn't the
Plains, where winds blow the strongest, but the Northeast where the
incentives are better.

The Northeast is home to the most capacity of net-metered wind power —

the

small-scale, behind-the-meter kind installed by homes and businesses —

with

Massachusetts having the most in the U.S., Energy Information
Administration data show. States in the region offer net-metering

programs

that allow customers to install wind turbines and credit them for the

power

they supply to the grid.

In fact, the Northeast, along with the West Coast, have some of the most
robust policies encouraging renewable energy development, and that's

what's

driving the installations, said Mike Bergey, chief executive officer of
turbine supplier Bergey Windpower.

"If it was related to wind, Montana or Wyoming would be in the lead," he
said, but "New York and Massachusetts in particular have been aggressive

on

promoting clean energy at both large and small scale." *— Gerald Porter,
Jr., Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I think all of us take advantage of tax breaks - it's  the American way!

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:02 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In other words:  T'ain't practical unless you rob other people at gun
> point to pay for it.
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 12:56 PM:
> > Curt et al -  fyi
> > RENEWABLESBiggest U.S. market for tiny wind farms isn't the
> breeziestPublished:
> > Monday, April 29, 2019
> >
> > Turns out the best place to install a small turbine in the U.S. isn't the
> > Plains, where winds blow the strongest, but the Northeast where the
> > incentives are better.
> >
> > The Northeast is home to the most capacity of net-metered wind power —
> the
> > small-scale, behind-the-meter kind installed by homes and businesses —
> with
> > Massachusetts having the most in the U.S., Energy Information
> > Administration data show. States in the region offer net-metering
> programs
> > that allow customers to install wind turbines and credit them for the
> power
> > they supply to the grid.
> >
> > In fact, the Northeast, along with the West Coast, have some of the most
> > robust policies encouraging renewable energy development, and that's
> what's
> > driving the installations, said Mike Bergey, chief executive officer of
> > turbine supplier Bergey Windpower.
> >
> > "If it was related to wind, Montana or Wyoming would be in the lead," he
> > said, but "New York and Massachusetts in particular have been aggressive
> on
> > promoting clean energy at both large and small scale." *— Gerald Porter,
> > Jr., Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In other words:  T'ain't practical unless you rob other people at gun 
point to pay for it.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 12:56 PM:

Curt et al -  fyi
RENEWABLESBiggest U.S. market for tiny wind farms isn't the breeziestPublished:
Monday, April 29, 2019

Turns out the best place to install a small turbine in the U.S. isn't the
Plains, where winds blow the strongest, but the Northeast where the
incentives are better.

The Northeast is home to the most capacity of net-metered wind power — the
small-scale, behind-the-meter kind installed by homes and businesses — with
Massachusetts having the most in the U.S., Energy Information
Administration data show. States in the region offer net-metering programs
that allow customers to install wind turbines and credit them for the power
they supply to the grid.

In fact, the Northeast, along with the West Coast, have some of the most
robust policies encouraging renewable energy development, and that's what's
driving the installations, said Mike Bergey, chief executive officer of
turbine supplier Bergey Windpower.

"If it was related to wind, Montana or Wyoming would be in the lead," he
said, but "New York and Massachusetts in particular have been aggressive on
promoting clean energy at both large and small scale." *— Gerald Porter,
Jr., Bloomberg*
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[MBZ] OT: Cheapest place to install wind power

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Curt et al -  fyi
RENEWABLESBiggest U.S. market for tiny wind farms isn't the breeziestPublished:
Monday, April 29, 2019

Turns out the best place to install a small turbine in the U.S. isn't the
Plains, where winds blow the strongest, but the Northeast where the
incentives are better.

The Northeast is home to the most capacity of net-metered wind power — the
small-scale, behind-the-meter kind installed by homes and businesses — with
Massachusetts having the most in the U.S., Energy Information
Administration data show. States in the region offer net-metering programs
that allow customers to install wind turbines and credit them for the power
they supply to the grid.

In fact, the Northeast, along with the West Coast, have some of the most
robust policies encouraging renewable energy development, and that's what's
driving the installations, said Mike Bergey, chief executive officer of
turbine supplier Bergey Windpower.

"If it was related to wind, Montana or Wyoming would be in the lead," he
said, but "New York and Massachusetts in particular have been aggressive on
promoting clean energy at both large and small scale." *— Gerald Porter,
Jr., Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I asked that and yes, it puts on the brake lights during regen braking.

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:14 AM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 writes:

> The regenative braking is quit aggressive, a bit like riding the brake as you 
> come off the accelerator which means you rarely need the brakes in normal 
> driving. I imagine the brakes will last a long time...

Offset by the number of people who run into you from behind because they don't 
see any brake lights and don't realize you're slowing down.

Or does the Tesla illuminate the brake lights when it's doing regen braking?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes  writes:

> The regenative braking is quit aggressive, a bit like riding the brake as you 
> come off the accelerator which means you rarely need the brakes in normal 
> driving. I imagine the brakes will last a long time...

Offset by the number of people who run into you from behind because they don't 
see any brake lights and don't realize you're slowing down.

Or does the Tesla illuminate the brake lights when it's doing regen braking?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] FS just up the road

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Yes he flew it yesterday morning early before the winds picked up.  It's 
not waterproof, so that aspect is a bit concerning, esp if launching 
from a boat or it crashes in the water.  I told him to zip tie some 
plastic bottles to it to give some flotation. $1500 is not cheap, but it 
is worth the risk I guess.


--FT

On 4/29/19 9:09 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

The limiting factor will be wind, especially at sea, so hopefully he knows
the limits of the machine and keeps "a weather-eye aloft".

Probably would be a good idea to develop plans for recovery of the drone in
high winds, like (1) recognize when winds exceed ability of the drone, and
(2) ID a down-wind recovery point, or (3) change altitude to get winds more
favorable to recovery.  Is it water proof and does it float?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:56 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


My buddy who does coral research just bought a $1500 quadcopter for
research purposes. Yesterday he had it out testing it using a takeoff,
programmed flight path, and return to takeoff position. All on autopilot
using the phone “remote controller” and copter gps locations.   He said it
would land consistently within a foot of its launch point after flying
around for about 30min. This performance using a probably $5 GPS chip the
size of a small cracker...

He programmed it (using an app on his phone that talks to the machine) to
fly a grid at a certain altitude and snap images every few meters that can
then be combined into a large high-res photogrammetry image that will have
sub-centimeter resolution and can be used to make 3D images too. This takes
a huge amount of time to process on a computer using some special software
that is readily available. His colleague has some camera filters they can
use to get multispectral images too, compile them into layers.

He’s taking it to Indonesia in a coupla weeks to do offshore coral
surveys.  I’m going to go visit some evening this week and check it out.



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[MBZ] Prescription drug abuse in the more well-off parts of the community

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Always premium Gas with 93 octane was used.  only recommended advanced 
fully synthetic Mobil 1 0w-40 motor oil was used


https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mount-pleasant-mercedes-benz-2003-s430/6875901297.html

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everybody thinks you're cool

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Re: [MBZ] FS just up the road

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

My buddy who does coral research just bought a $1500 quadcopter for research 
purposes. Yesterday he had it out testing it using a takeoff, programmed flight 
path, and return to takeoff position. All on autopilot using the phone “remote 
controller” and copter gps locations.   He said it would land consistently 
within a foot of its launch point after flying around for about 30min. This 
performance using a probably $5 GPS chip the size of a small cracker...

He programmed it (using an app on his phone that talks to the machine) to fly a 
grid at a certain altitude and snap images every few meters that can then be 
combined into a large high-res photogrammetry image that will have 
sub-centimeter resolution and can be used to make 3D images too. This takes a 
huge amount of time to process on a computer using some special software that 
is readily available. His colleague has some camera filters they can use to get 
multispectral images too, compile them into layers. 

He’s taking it to Indonesia in a coupla weeks to do offshore coral surveys.  
I’m going to go visit some evening this week and check it out. 

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> On Apr 29, 2019, at 12:26 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> For best Lat/Lon accuracy most civilian GPS units select the satellites 
> closest to the horizon.  This is poor geometry for computing altitude.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G
>> Mann via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 9:17 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: G Mann 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] FS just up the road
>> 
>> Military GPS signals are accurate to 3 ft. The signal released to civilian 
>> use is
>> "supposed " to be downgraded to "about 3 meters" give or take, so your target
>> accuracy will be off, I suppose.
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 6:08 PM fmiser via Mercedes
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
 G wrote:
>>> 
 GPS [civilian version] should give you altitude to within 3 meters
 anywhere you are.
 Do smart phones have GPS function?
>>> 
>>> Mine does.  And it reports altitude - but it seems to be a lot more
>>> less than 3 meter accuracy. 30? yes.
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[MBZ] Fire up the W123, we’re going for a drive

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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

True. However, I don’t have servants, but I do have family members that would 
help out in times of need.

Heck, if I could get someone else to drive me around that would be great! I 
would still want to have the ability to come and go as I please, toothere’s 
much to be said for independence.

-D


> On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depends on if you value independence or having servants more.
> 
> My ancestry has always come down on the independence side.   So far, I've 
> seen no record of any servants in any of my ancestors.   I come down on the 
> independent side.
> 
> Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 7:50 AM:
>> Why drive with your left foot when you can have someone chauffeur you around?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FS just up the road

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The limiting factor will be wind, especially at sea, so hopefully he knows
the limits of the machine and keeps "a weather-eye aloft".

Probably would be a good idea to develop plans for recovery of the drone in
high winds, like (1) recognize when winds exceed ability of the drone, and
(2) ID a down-wind recovery point, or (3) change altitude to get winds more
favorable to recovery.  Is it water proof and does it float?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 8:56 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My buddy who does coral research just bought a $1500 quadcopter for
> research purposes. Yesterday he had it out testing it using a takeoff,
> programmed flight path, and return to takeoff position. All on autopilot
> using the phone “remote controller” and copter gps locations.   He said it
> would land consistently within a foot of its launch point after flying
> around for about 30min. This performance using a probably $5 GPS chip the
> size of a small cracker...
>
> He programmed it (using an app on his phone that talks to the machine) to
> fly a grid at a certain altitude and snap images every few meters that can
> then be combined into a large high-res photogrammetry image that will have
> sub-centimeter resolution and can be used to make 3D images too. This takes
> a huge amount of time to process on a computer using some special software
> that is readily available. His colleague has some camera filters they can
> use to get multispectral images too, compile them into layers.
>
> He’s taking it to Indonesia in a coupla weeks to do offshore coral
> surveys.  I’m going to go visit some evening this week and check it out.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Depends on if you value independence or having servants more.

My ancestry has always come down on the independence side.   So far, 
I've seen no record of any servants in any of my ancestors.   I come 
down on the independent side.


Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 4/29/19 7:50 AM:

Why drive with your left foot when you can have someone chauffeur you around?

-D





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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Why drive with your left foot when you can have someone chauffeur you around?

-D

> On Apr 29, 2019, at 8:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Seriously, have you never learned to drive an auto trans (one pedal car) with 
> your left foot?   It is done all the time
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/28/19 10:10 PM:
>> Wow, thanks for all those sentiments!
>> 
>> ... The biggest
>> downside is that because the surgery was on the right knee I won't be able
>> to drive for at least 2 weeks, maybe a month.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> Temporary passenger in a Ford Focus.
>> 
>> 
> Naaa,   Good news!The world is safer now!;<)
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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Seriously, have you never learned to drive an auto trans (one pedal car) 
with your left foot?   It is done all the time


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 4/28/19 10:10 PM:

Wow, thanks for all those sentiments!

... The biggest
downside is that because the surgery was on the right knee I won't be able
to drive for at least 2 weeks, maybe a month.

Andrew
Temporary passenger in a Ford Focus.



Naaa,   Good news!    The world is safer now!    ;<)
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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Best wishes to Mitch and Andrew for speedy recoveries. 

My old doctor, who used to teach surgery at MSU in the 1970s, had both of his 
knees replaced in one surgery session. Obese guy, probably best to minimize his 
exposure to anesthesia. 
The next day he drove 20 miles to pick up his grandkids after school. Seemed 
plenty alert enough to drive, I doubt he was on any pain meds. (I worked for 
his son back then, he picked the kids up at my office) I don't think he went 
back to work until the following Monday. 

Mitch. 

> On April 28, 2019 at 9:04 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you do them both at the same time? Just curious…

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Re: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Best wishes for the best of health for you both!


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: April 28, 2019 6:27 PM
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Cc: 126die...@gmail.com
Subject: [MBZ] Send wishes for recovery to:


Hey all,

Send best wishes to:

Andrew, recovering from Knee surgery

and

MMM, also recovering from a stay in the horsepital.


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