Re: [MBZ] Aircraft nerding out

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

KC135 wet takeoffs are impressive inside the airplane too, especially in the 
cargo area behind the engines.

> -Original Message-
> From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> When I was a kid my dad worked at an army base in Riyadh and you could
> always tell when the 135s took off to refuel the awacs because the rafters
> would literally shake and the skylights would rattle. His office was basically
> right next to the runway. That was in the 70s and 80s, before the
> 135 engine upgrades. I used to climb up the parking shade structure and sit on
> the cinder block wall overlooking the airfield and watch these planes.
> It all seemed pretty normal.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Aircraft nerding out

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Back in the day I had an instructor who advised:  In the event of engine 
failure (in a single engine light aircraft) the safest thing to do is to crash 
straight ahead.  In a light twin with engine failure the safest thing to do is 
shut down the other engine and crash straight ahead.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 2:07 PM
> 
> 
> In a lot of the experimental incident reports I saw, it was 'mechanic error
> (owner/pilot/mechanic being the same person) > power loss > pilot error
> (often pulling the stick back in a panicky attempt to increase glide 
> distance) >
> fatality.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Temperature in MidEast just went up

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Daisy Cutter:  LZ in a can.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 5:18 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Temperature in MidEast just went up
> 
> I was told back in the day that one of those 16" HE shells did a fine job of
> opening up a helicopter landing zone.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In the immortal words of Deep Throat, "Follow the money."

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 11:09 PM
> To: G Mann via Mercedes 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - fires
> 
> It is amazing how its been proven they faked data in England, this dude made
> up the stuff, and other hoaxdom has been proven, yet albore and his minions
> keep motoring on as if all their religion is true.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Temperature in MidEast just went up

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Obsolete for sea battles.  Still useful as amphibious artillery.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 11:17 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Temperature in MidEast just went up
> 
> Battleships were obsolete in 1941, I really don't think anything has happened
> since then that would return them to utility!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:08:46 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It is amazing how its been proven they faked data in England, this dude 
> made up the stuff, and other hoaxdom has been proven, yet albore and
> his minions keep motoring on as if all their religion is true.

And the media and other people are going right along with it because it
lines their pockets -- the hoax generates about $1.5 trillion/year.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is amazing how its been proven they faked data in England, this dude 
made up the stuff, and other hoaxdom has been proven, yet albore and his 
minions keep motoring on as if all their religion is true.



G Mann via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 9:53 PM
Just for the record, I claim no kinship to the Mann PhD of climate change
hoaxdom..

I am a full fledged member of the "Salt the Earth Society" and understand
that CO2 is the material that makes plants grow and produce O2
"Herr Mann" ;)) [Thanks BTW]
Diesel on



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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Re: The Final Installment - We're on the way]

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

GOOD!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 9:28 PM
I could never quite figure out if Hendrik and Fay were/was one guy or two,
or conjoined siamese twins (one male, one female).



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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Just for the record, I claim no kinship to the Mann PhD of climate change
hoaxdom..

I am a full fledged member of the "Salt the Earth Society" and understand
that CO2 is the material that makes plants grow and produce O2
"Herr Mann" ;)) [Thanks BTW]
Diesel on

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:09 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Craig, Good info.  Yes, that other Mann (Not our Herr Mann) is a
> fruitcake:   Pathological liar,  proven fraud, narcissist, etc.He
> sued Mark Steyn
>
> On his loss on his attempt to sue Mark Steyn:
>
> This extraordinary outcome is expected to trigger severe legal
> repercussions for Dr Mann in the U.S. and may prove fatal to climate
> science claims that modern temperatures are "unprecedented." (snip)
>
> Dr Mann lost his case because he refused to show in open court his
> R2 regression numbers (the 'working out') behind the world-famous
> 'hockey stick' graph[.]
>
> Real science, not the phony "consensus" version, requires open access to
> data so skeptics (who play a key role in science) can see if results are
> reproducible.  Of course, there are no falsifiable experimental data
> associated with the global warming predictions of doom, so it doesn't
> really stand as science as Karl Popper defined it.
>
>
> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/michael_mann_creator_of_the_infamous_global_warming_hockey_stick_loses_lawsuit_against_climate_skeptic_ordered_to_pay_defendants_costs.html
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What's the most common road kill in Manitoba? Beaver?  Deer?

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:18 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 08/01/2020 4:06 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
> > I do not think there is a vet close by.  No wild pork on the hoof, but
> ample selection of ungulate and ursine road kill available in the area
> >
> > clay
> >
> >
> I had to look those up
>
> hoofed animals and those that resemble bears
>
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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Re: The Final Installment - We're on the way]

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I could never quite figure out if Hendrik and Fay were/was one guy or two,
or conjoined siamese twins (one male, one female).

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:17 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Ah, yes - quite the time with that lot ...
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:04 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Remember this?
> > Mitch
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Final Installment - We're on the way
> > Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 04:52:15 +0930
> > From: Hendrik & Fay 
> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Organization: Dingo Diggers Plus
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > References: 
> > <4c010c49.9010...@ozemail.com.au>   <
> > 20100529022918.ce989523.fmi...@gmail.com>
> >
> > Hi ya gang, well that's it we're just about off, gotta pack the bags, do
> > a final check and then face the trauma of customs.
> > A big thank you for all your help and advice, we look forward to
> > catching up with a few of the list members, unfortunately we can't get
> > to meet everyone :'( but then we are on a time schedule.
> > Maybe we'll make it down to Des Moines or up to that atomic place but
> > the problem is the more you look the more you see to do, like Chicago,
> > I've been busy planning our itinerary in Chicago and there is actually
> > lots to see, we have booked tickets to see a baseball game in Chicago,
> > then there is the fish tank in the shedd, navy pier, planetarium, we
> > won't be doing that big tower cause Fay is a bit cagey about high places
> > but we are thinking we might have to spend an extra day in Chicago. I am
> > guessing that is how it's going to be in just about every place we go,
> > we'll need a holiday when we come home ;-)
> > Anywho, we are kinda excited, kinda nervous, like we are before every
> > big trip we do.
> > I will try and catch up on the list whilst I am on the road and update
> > you people with how we are going in that place you call home. Although
> > the first US meal will probably kill me and that will be that :-) our
> > plan is to buy kids meals :-D
> >
> > Hendrik, Fay, Georgia and the Zakman
> > who are missing their Jack Russells after only 4 hours of separation
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Here's a debunking of that arsonist BS someone posted earlier:
https://www.snopes.com/collections/debunker-01-08-2020/


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:14 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> They moved about 2 yrs ago.  He gave up Dingo Diggers and is a long haul
> road train jockey.
>
> > OK Don via Mercedes 
> > January 8, 2020 at 8:11 PM
> > Thanks - didn't know they had moved from Adelaide. All the addresses
> other
> > than heni...@gmail.com bounced - still haven't heard back yet ...
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Send a fur sample to 23 And Me and see what they come up with.
https://www.23andme.com/dna-ancestry/

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 9:24 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This one has some problem solving abilities.  There are level 4 brain
> teasers for dogs.  He does half brute force and brain to get his treats.
> Too small to really brute force it.  SWMBA took him to training, but nobody
> enforces it.   Maybe if he was a trained up assistance dog, he would be
> more reliable.
>
> clay
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The ones the neighbor in Wi has are pretty much untrainable.   Not sure
> how bright they are or aren't.
>
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Re: [MBZ] $33k for a project 190SL?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I was low, you were high.  Averaged out ok.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:16 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> Wow. I stand calibrated.
>
> Bob R
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:13:43 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> I say >$75K
> >
> > Sold For $48,777 On 1/6/20
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Although the price will likely rise even more before bidding ends.
> >>>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-mercedes-benz-190sl-14/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-01-06
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[MBZ] OT: More fake news

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/ayatollah-mystified-that-he-is-the-only-dictator-trump-dislikes?source=EDT_NYR_EDIT_NEWSLETTER_0_imagenewsletter_Borowitz_ZZ_campaign=aud-dev_source=nl_brand=tny_mailing=TNY_Borowitz_010820_medium=email=5be9caed24c17c6adf39d959=51298706=right_rail_borowitz=_term=TNY_Borowitz
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Re: [MBZ] anyone need foot powered washer pump?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
These were used before the switch to electric washer pumps.   They were 
used in the 110, and 111 among other models.   I really liked them 
because you can vary the pressure, thus hit very high on the windshield, 
or middle or just inside the wiper arc, depending on where the bug 
accumulation was.


My mom's 1962 Rambler had one of those.
Great fun to play with on the floor when you're a little kid.

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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

This one has some problem solving abilities.  There are level 4 brain teasers 
for dogs.  He does half brute force and brain to get his treats.  Too small to 
really brute force it.  SWMBA took him to training, but nobody enforces it.   
Maybe if he was a trained up assistance dog, he would be more reliable.

clay 


> On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The ones the neighbor in Wi has are pretty much untrainable.   Not sure how 
> bright they are or aren't.


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Re: [MBZ] anyone need foot powered washer pump?

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

This one is only $497.95 plus shipping. 


https://www.authenticclassics.com/Windshield-Washer-Foot-Pump-with-Switch-p/auth-004336.htm



> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> These were used before the switch to electric washer pumps.   They were used 
> in the 110, and 111 among other models.   I really liked them because you can 
> vary the pressure, thus hit very high on the windshield, or middle or just 
> inside the wiper arc, depending on where the bug accumulation was.
> 
> Good deal in Yurp.   Shipping may be prohibitive, unless you are going to 
> yurp anyway.
> 
>  http://mbspecialist.com/mercedes_webcatalog/item/0008600126/
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They moved about 2 yrs ago.  He gave up Dingo Diggers and is a long haul 
road train jockey.



OK Don via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 8:11 PM
Thanks - didn't know they had moved from Adelaide. All the addresses other
than heni...@gmail.com bounced - still haven't heard back yet ...

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <




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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The ones the neighbor in Wi has are pretty much untrainable.   Not sure 
how bright they are or aren't.



Clay via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 8:07 PM
I am told it is a labradoodle. The claim is that it is Aussie doodle, 
but I doubt that, as the maker of those sort disavowed them recently. 
Came from a breeder in Tri-cities. SWMBA was at a swim meet in PDX for 
#2 boy four years ago and drove out to get him.


This one is not a viable guide pooch, as it startles at everything. 
Even its own shadow, or the ice maker. It is pretty much a velcro dog 
to the people in the house. 19 kilo lapdog.


clay




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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Thanks - didn't know they had moved from Adelaide. All the addresses other
than heni...@gmail.com bounced - still haven't heard back yet ...

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Here is Henny's reply:
>
> "we are fine being in the burps but did have a few smoky days and I have
> been held up doing interstate trucking. No, haven't heard anything from
> Dan in a long time, as you know I still hang around a few fb Merc groups
> but can't recall him being on them. Still lusting after a good 123 but
> just don't have the time to properly look after one, gave my mum my old
> 300TE but as we moved up to Brisbane, cannot maintain it, so it is going
> downhill. How is Aileen(?) going, you still running W126s?"
>
> > OK Don via Mercedes 
> > January 8, 2020 at 7:13 PM
> > Thanks! I'll try them all ...
>


-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Clay via Mercedes]

I am told it is a labradoodle.  The claim is that it is Aussie doodle, but I 
doubt that, as the maker of those sort disavowed them recently.  Came from a 
breeder in Tri-cities.  SWMBA was at a swim meet in PDX for #2 boy four years 
ago and drove out to get him.

This one is not a viable guide pooch, as it startles at everything.  Even its 
own shadow, or the ice maker.  It is pretty much a velcro dog to the people in 
the house.  19 kilo lapdog.

clay



> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:45 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Clay,
> What sort of Doodle is it, Labradoodle, Goldendoodle, Britneydoodle or?? 
> Doodles make wonderful guide dogs, at least the two Labradoodles that we have 
> had so far. The two Doodles in training to be our next guide dogs are 
> Goldendoodles. The pet Doodles  do like to bark at any activity going on 
> outside.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter 330 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der Doodlewagen
> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Not my pooch.  I am not a frivolous pet person.  Especially not for 
>> something that lives inside a house
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or trade the existing dog for an Alaskan sled dog who will live outside?
>>> 
>>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] anyone need foot powered washer pump?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I think Jaime may be the only of us on this list that has old enough 
cars to use one.   Maybe RTW cars still use foot pumps unless lektrick 
pump is specified.



OK Don via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 7:22 PM
Don't need one, but either or both the '70 220D and/or the '76 300D 
had the
foot pump washer sprayer. The nozzles were clogged once, and when I 
stomped

on it, the tube came out of the bulb and soaked my ankle. I ended up
replacing the assembly with a new one as the bulb outlet was cracking as
well ...

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Here is Henny's reply:

"we are fine being in the burps but did have a few smoky days and I have 
been held up doing interstate trucking. No, haven't heard anything from 
Dan in a long time, as you know I still hang around a few fb Merc groups 
but can't recall him being on them. Still lusting after a good 123 but 
just don't have the time to properly look after one, gave my mum my old 
300TE but as we moved up to Brisbane, cannot maintain it, so it is going 
downhill. How is Aileen(?) going, you still running W126s?"



OK Don via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 7:13 PM
Thanks! I'll try them all ...

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Henny just posted on fakebuch.  I sent him a message, but no reply 
yet.   "Live an kickin!"



OK Don via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 7:13 PM
Thanks! I'll try them all ...

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Re: [MBZ] anyone need foot powered washer pump?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Don't need one, but either or both the '70 220D and/or the '76 300D had the
foot pump washer sprayer. The nozzles were clogged once, and when I stomped
on it, the tube came out of the bulb and soaked my ankle. I ended up
replacing the assembly with a new one as the bulb outlet was cracking as
well ...

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:57 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> These were used before the switch to electric washer pumps.   They were
> used in the 110, and 111 among other models.   I really liked them
> because you can vary the pressure, thus hit very high on the windshield,
> or middle or just inside the wiper arc, depending on where the bug
> accumulation was.
>
> Good deal in Yurp.   Shipping may be prohibitive, unless you are going
> to yurp anyway.
>
>   http://mbspecialist.com/mercedes_webcatalog/item/0008600126/
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for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Re: The Final Installment - We're on the way]

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ah, yes - quite the time with that lot ...

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 6:04 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> Remember this?
> Mitch
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Final Installment - We're on the way
> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 04:52:15 +0930
> From: Hendrik & Fay 
> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Organization: Dingo Diggers Plus
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> References: 
> <4c010c49.9010...@ozemail.com.au>   <
> 20100529022918.ce989523.fmi...@gmail.com>
>
> Hi ya gang, well that's it we're just about off, gotta pack the bags, do
> a final check and then face the trauma of customs.
> A big thank you for all your help and advice, we look forward to
> catching up with a few of the list members, unfortunately we can't get
> to meet everyone :'( but then we are on a time schedule.
> Maybe we'll make it down to Des Moines or up to that atomic place but
> the problem is the more you look the more you see to do, like Chicago,
> I've been busy planning our itinerary in Chicago and there is actually
> lots to see, we have booked tickets to see a baseball game in Chicago,
> then there is the fish tank in the shedd, navy pier, planetarium, we
> won't be doing that big tower cause Fay is a bit cagey about high places
> but we are thinking we might have to spend an extra day in Chicago. I am
> guessing that is how it's going to be in just about every place we go,
> we'll need a holiday when we come home ;-)
> Anywho, we are kinda excited, kinda nervous, like we are before every
> big trip we do.
> I will try and catch up on the list whilst I am on the road and update
> you people with how we are going in that place you call home. Although
> the first US meal will probably kill me and that will be that :-) our
> plan is to buy kids meals :-D
>
> Hendrik, Fay, Georgia and the Zakman
> who are missing their Jack Russells after only 4 hours of separation
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Thanks! I'll try them all ...

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:45 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 08/01/2020 1:13 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
> > summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up
> an
> > email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
> >
> Hendrik Riessen
>
> Hendrik & Fay
>
> I show 3 email addresses
>
> heni...@ozemail.com.au
>
> heni...@gmail.com
>
> and
>
> mb82u1...@yahoo.com.au
>
> Randy who has not deleted much email in a long while
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda, 2 tops, automatic, runs & drives great

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Restored  they appear in the,Star for quarter mil

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020, 7:00 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> This isn’t ridiculous.
>
> Bob R
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: nore...@craigslist.org
> > Date: January 8, 2020 at 4:57:46 PM MST
> > To: azbob...@gmail.com
> > Subject: Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives
> great
> >
> > 
> > azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
> >
> > Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives great
> >
> > https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/7048074807.html
> >
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[MBZ] anyone need foot powered washer pump?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

These were used before the switch to electric washer pumps.   They were 
used in the 110, and 111 among other models.   I really liked them 
because you can vary the pressure, thus hit very high on the windshield, 
or middle or just inside the wiper arc, depending on where the bug 
accumulation was.


Good deal in Yurp.   Shipping may be prohibitive, unless you are going 
to yurp anyway.


 http://mbspecialist.com/mercedes_webcatalog/item/0008600126/



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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Clay,
What sort of Doodle is it, Labradoodle, Goldendoodle, Britneydoodle or?? 
Doodles make wonderful guide dogs, at least the two Labradoodles that we have 
had so far. The two Doodles in training to be our next guide dogs are 
Goldendoodles. The pet Doodles  do like to bark at any activity going on 
outside.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 330 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der Doodlewagen
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard

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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 2:24 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Not my pooch.  I am not a frivolous pet person.  Especially not for 
> something that lives inside a house
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Or trade the existing dog for an Alaskan sled dog who will live outside?
>> 
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda, 2 tops, automatic, runs & drives great

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Friend of mine, near the Merkun Pickers shed, has a 250SL he bought new 
in 68.   He said he'd never sell it and his son has dibs.   It is 
Silber.   Beautiful car. He used to bring it to MBCA events in the Quad 
Cities. Definitely will make any Mb lover drool.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 6:27 PM
A friend has a 66 230SL, white with black interior, 4spd, near 
showroom condition.  He bought in like 68.  I wonder what it would be 
worth


--FT




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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda, 2 tops, automatic, runs & drives great

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The late 280SL is the pinnacle of the model line, and the most desirable. 
230-250-280, they just kept getting better and more refined for the time.

-D


> On Jan 8, 2020, at 7:27 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A friend has a 66 230SL, white with black interior, 4spd, near showroom 
> condition.  He bought in like 68.  I wonder what it would be worth
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/8/20 7:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s not. I would say that’s pretty much in the range it should be.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This isn’t ridiculous.
>>> 
>>> Bob R
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: nore...@craigslist.org
 Date: January 8, 2020 at 4:57:46 PM MST
 To: azbob...@gmail.com
 Subject: Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives 
 great
 
 
 azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
 
 Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives great
 
 https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/7048074807.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda, 2 tops, automatic, runs & drives great

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A friend has a 66 230SL, white with black interior, 4spd, near showroom 
condition.  He bought in like 68.  I wonder what it would be worth


--FT

On 1/8/20 7:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

It’s not. I would say that’s pretty much in the range it should be.

-D



On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:


This isn’t ridiculous.

Bob R


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Subject: Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives great


azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:

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Re: [MBZ] $33k for a project 190SL?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Wow. I stand calibrated. 

Bob R

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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:13:43 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I say >$75K 
> 
> Sold For $48,777 On 1/6/20
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Although the price will likely rise even more before bidding ends.
>>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-mercedes-benz-190sl-14/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-01-06
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Re: [MBZ] $33k for a project 190SL?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:13:43 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I say >$75K 

Sold For $48,777 On 1/6/20


Craig


> > On Jan 6, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
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> > Although the price will likely rise even more before bidding ends.
> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1959-mercedes-benz-190sl-14/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-01-06

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda, 2 tops, automatic, runs & drives great

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s not. I would say that’s pretty much in the range it should be.

-D


> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> This isn’t ridiculous. 
> 
> Bob R 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: nore...@craigslist.org
>> Date: January 8, 2020 at 4:57:46 PM MST
>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives 
>> great
>> 
>> 
>> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
>> 
>> Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives great
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Last few months?

Last thing I heard from him was that he and one of his sons were being evicted 
(nicely) out of his rental house by the landlord and everything else was up in 
the air.

Can’t recall how long ago that was.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> What has become of mao?
> 
> 
> Do we know if Dan Gordon is still alive?
> His last few months of posts seemed pretty downhearted.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Craig, Good info.  Yes, that other Mann (Not our Herr Mann) is a 
fruitcake:   Pathological liar,  proven fraud, narcissist, etc.    He 
sued Mark Steyn


On his loss on his attempt to sue Mark Steyn:

   This extraordinary outcome is expected to trigger severe legal
   repercussions for Dr Mann in the U.S. and may prove fatal to climate
   science claims that modern temperatures are "unprecedented." (snip)

   Dr Mann lost his case because he refused to show in open court his
   R2 regression numbers (the 'working out') behind the world-famous
   'hockey stick' graph[.]

Real science, not the phony "consensus" version, requires open access to 
data so skeptics (who play a key role in science) can see if results are 
reproducible.  Of course, there are no falsifiable experimental data 
associated with the global warming predictions of doom, so it doesn't 
really stand as science as Karl Popper defined it.


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/michael_mann_creator_of_the_infamous_global_warming_hockey_stick_loses_lawsuit_against_climate_skeptic_ordered_to_pay_defendants_costs.html



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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Back in the day (mid 70s) a famous Mexican restaurant in Alamogordo NM was 
Jimmy Yee's Chinese Dragon. Go figure.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Clay via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 12:30 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Clay 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk
> 
> Down the road from the home of SWMBA is a chinese/pizza place.  I have not
> attempted to investigate, as the possibilities are troubling.  It does share a
> small building with a walk in clinic.
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Jan 7, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > The menu looks like your basic Eye-talyun ingredients.  Did I miss the 
> > cultural
> appropriation?  Or is it because a japanese guy doing eye-talyun?
> >
> > There is some Asian guy in Louisville maybe who is doing all kinds of
> interesting things with merkin food.  I guess it doesn't matter much about 
> your
> heritage it's what you like.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 1/7/20 4:53 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
> >> To all you pizza purists out there, let me share a tale of...either 
> >> wonderful
> EurAsian food fusion...or arrant cultural appropriation, depending on your PC
> stance:
> >>
> >> Daisuke Matsumoto
> >>
> >> and 
> >>
> >> He was introduced to me by my DIL, who had worked with him at another
> restaurant here. He learned pizza in Naples, had a truck with a wood-fired
> oven. Made good pizza with interesting ingredients.
> >>
> >> Last year IIRC there was a series in the Oregonian newspaper doing a search
> for the best pizza in the metropolitan area. Portland has a reputation as the
> location of some world-class restaurants, while the suburb across the river 
> that
> I call home is derided as a backward bunch of rubes: "Vantucky". And yet, the
> pizza truck in a microbrew parking lot won the Oregonian's top marks.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, pizza in not on my personal menu very often. And I must
> admit a certain chauvinistic aversion to Dice-K's, because of the Neapolitan 
> vs.
> Sicilian style. My lineage is Sicilian and Calabrese. But I welcome the 
> Japanese
> element!
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >> Who grew up on Brooklyn pizza.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 11:44 AM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >> Cc: Meade Dillon
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk
> >>
> >> I remember reading that as well.
> >>
> >> I'm totally spoiled, having eaten pizza in bella Napoli for years and
> >> years.  On the must-do list at every trip to Italy is pizza made in a
> >> real brick oven, the closer to Naples the better.
> >>
> >> Once when family was visiting, we all went to a local pizza
> >> ristorante to pick up about five pizzas.  The pizza oven was right up
> >> front next to the cashier, big wood fired brick oven, heated up like
> >> a blast furnace.  We had so much fun just watching the chef build
> >> each pizza, put them all into the oven, and then turn them a time or
> >> two and minutes after they went in, they came back out, perfectly
> >> done.  Family from the mid-west was suitably impressed, probably
> >> their favorite event of the day, talked about that pizza oven experience 
> >> for
> a long time afterward.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 1:26 PM Craig via Mercedes
> >> 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I mentioned recently about us talking about pizzas; well today I
> >>> found the original email. It's attached below.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:58:43 -0500
> >>> From: Allan Streib 
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] pizza oven talk
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Conveyor ovens are awful.  They do produce a consistent quality pie
> >>> without the need for any real skill on the part of the operator,
> >>> which is why the chain pizzarias use them.  Unfortunately for the
> >>> consumer, however, the consistent quality they achieve is not
> >>> excellent or even good, but medocre.
> >>>
> >>> In college I worked at a Domino's franchise.  Not world class pizza
> >>> maybe, but at the time really not bad.  Back then they used deck
> >>> ovens, which were later replaced by conveyors.  The pizza took a
> >>> noticable turn for the worse at that point.  Same dough, sauce,
> >>> cheese and toppings; the only difference was the ovens.
> >>>
> >>> The deck ovens could turn out a really nice crust, nicely browned
> >>> and crispy on the surface but moist, airy and flavorful on the
> >>> inside, cheese carmelized on the surface but melted and stringy
> >>> underneath, the tastes of the toppings individually discernable.
> >>> The conveyor ovens, with the same ingredients going in, turned out a
> 

[MBZ] [Fwd: Re: The Final Installment - We're on the way]

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Remember this?
Mitch
 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Final Installment - We're on the way
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 04:52:15 +0930
From: Hendrik & Fay 
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Organization: Dingo Diggers Plus
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
References:  
<4c010c49.9010...@ozemail.com.au>	<20100529022918.ce989523.fmi...@gmail.com>


Hi ya gang, well that's it we're just about off, gotta pack the bags, do
a final check and then face the trauma of customs.
A big thank you for all your help and advice, we look forward to
catching up with a few of the list members, unfortunately we can't get
to meet everyone :'( but then we are on a time schedule.
Maybe we'll make it down to Des Moines or up to that atomic place but
the problem is the more you look the more you see to do, like Chicago,
I've been busy planning our itinerary in Chicago and there is actually
lots to see, we have booked tickets to see a baseball game in Chicago,
then there is the fish tank in the shedd, navy pier, planetarium, we
won't be doing that big tower cause Fay is a bit cagey about high places
but we are thinking we might have to spend an extra day in Chicago. I am
guessing that is how it's going to be in just about every place we go,
we'll need a holiday when we come home ;-)
Anywho, we are kinda excited, kinda nervous, like we are before every
big trip we do.
I will try and catch up on the list whilst I am on the road and update
you people with how we are going in that place you call home. Although
the first US meal will probably kill me and that will be that :-) our
plan is to buy kids meals :-D

Hendrik, Fay, Georgia and the Zakman
who are missing their Jack Russells after only 4 hours of separation

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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

What has become of mao?



Do we know if Dan Gordon is still alive?
His last few months of posts seemed pretty downhearted.
Mitch.

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[MBZ] Fwd: Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda, 2 tops, automatic, runs & drives great

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

This isn’t ridiculous. 

Bob R 


Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: nore...@craigslist.org
> Date: January 8, 2020 at 4:57:46 PM MST
> To: azbob...@gmail.com
> Subject: Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives great
> 
> 
> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
> 
> Mercedes Benz 280SL 1971 pagoda,2 tops,automatic, runs & drives great
> 
> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/7048074807.html
> 
> Please go to the preferences page if you don't want to receive email-a-friend 
> messages in the future. 
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 Upgrade from 7

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Kaleb,
Have you run a search for logs?  There is a log folder under Windows.  It 
normally only holds "update" logs, but check anyway.  Also, did you go to your 
PC maker and get the latest BIOS?  I still think it's something simple which is 
being masked by the final error message.  Did you get my files?
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ok, trying to be a replica of the Chicago Museum of Science and 
Industry, which is itself a replica of the Deutsches Museum.   U-515 sub 
has been at chicago for 60+ years.



Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 1:31 PM
Oregon Museum of Science and Industry

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
Curley McLain via Mercedes

Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 11:05 AM
To: Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

what is OMSI?




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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yep.   Hendrick and Fay. He is still driving, but have not asked them 
about fars.   We all said Merry Christmas a couple weeks ago.   All 
alive and well then.



OK Don via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 1:13 PM
Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 



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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 13:13:28 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US
> one summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to
> look up an email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 


https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2020/01/07/report-arson-epidemic-not-climate-change-behind-australias-bushfires/

Report: Arson Epidemic, Not Climate Change, Behind Australia’s Bushfires

Australian law enforcement has arrested over 180 people for arson in
connection with the nation’s raging bushfires, as alarmists try to pin
the blazes on “climate change.”

All of the 183 alleged arsonists have been arrested since the start of
this year’s bushfire season, the Australian reported Tuesday, adding that
29 fires were deliberately started in the Shoalhaven region of southeast
New South Wales (NSW) in just three months.

Drawing on data from NSW Bureau of Crime and Statistics and Research, the
newspaper reported that “183 people have been charged or cautioned for
bushfire-related offences since November 8, and 24 arrested for
deliberately starting bushfires.”

The extent of the arson is vast, as police have arrested people for
lighting bushfires across Queensland, NSW, Victoria, South Australia, and
Tasmania in the past few months, police data reveals.

In Queensland alone, 101 people have been detained for setting fires in
the bush, 32 adults and 69 juveniles, police noted.

According to professor Janet Stanley of Melbourne University, the
arsonists are typically young males, aged 12 to 24, or older men in their
60s.

Meanwhile, alarmists have been excitedly pointing to the bush fires as
evidence of a worldwide climate emergency caused by fossil fuel emissions.

A Royal Australian Navy MH-60R Seahawk ‘Romeo’ Helicopter
departs HMAS Adelaide during Operation Bushfire Assist.
Army Reserve forces and other specialist capabilities have
been called in to help with firefighting efforts across
Australia, along with extra Defence ships and helicopters.
14 people have now died in the fires in NSW, Victoria and
South Australia since New Year’s Eve.
 (Australian Department of Defence via Getty Images)

On New Year’s day, the Guardian published an essay by Michael Mann,
arguably the world’s preeminent climate alarmist, who said he was
“watching climate change in action” while on holiday in Australia.

In his article “Australia, your country is burning – dangerous climate
change is here with you now,” Mann claimed he was witnessing the
devastating effects of climate change “first hand.”

Best known for his debunked “hockey stick” graph showing supposedly
unprecedented 20th-century global warming after centuries of allegedly
stable temperatures, Mann wrote that instead of “vast expanses of
rainforest framed by distant blue-tinged mountain ranges,” he looked out
into “smoke-filled valleys, with only the faintest ghosts of distant
ridges and peaks in the background.”

“The brown skies I observed in the Blue Mountains this week are a product
of human-caused climate change,” Mann asserted.

“The warming of our planet – and the changes in climate associated with
it – are due to the fossil fuels we’re burning: oil, whether at midnight
or any other hour of the day, natural gas, and the biggest culprit of
all, coal,” he declared.

Australians “need only wake up in the morning, turn on the television,
read the newspaper or look out the window to see what is increasingly
obvious to many – for Australia, dangerous climate change is already
here,” Mann stated.

“Australia is experiencing a climate emergency. It is literally burning,”
he said.

Well, burning, yes. Man-made, yes.

But it’s called arson, not climate change.

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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 17:15:01 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I do not think there has been anything from him in a long while.

I think so, too. I was thinking about him yesterday and wondered why he
had not posted in a while.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I do not think there has been anything from him in a long while.

Randy

On 08/01/2020 5:01 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Gone. Now we have tin man mao. Maybe still here?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 8, 2020 4:35:35 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes :


What has become of mao?

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] Mountain Man?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Gone. Now we have tin man mao. Maybe still here?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 8, 2020 4:35:35 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes :

> What has become of mao?
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

He is active on Facebook. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 4:06 PM, dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I’m pretty sure Hendrick is alive and well. I’ve seen him pop up on the 
> veteran’s FB group once in a while as well as on OZBenz, John’s MB forum.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yea we took them to outback. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hendrick? Wife Faye I think?
>>> Forgot the surname. 
>>> Traveled with son and daughter IIRC?
>>> Never met him, but enjoyed his story about eating at Outback Steakhouse. 
>>> 
 On January 8, 2020 at 2:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 
 Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
 summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
 email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
 
 -- 
 OK Don
 
 "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
 pause and reflect." Mark Twain
 
 "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
 learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
 for themselves."
 
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[MBZ] Fw: Re: Mercedes Option Codes

[Craig via Mercedes]

Here's an old email from Hendrick.


Craig


Begin forwarded message:

Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 19:50:01 +0930
From: Hendrik & Fay 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Option Codes


http://old.mbclub.ru/mb/code/?lng=eng

Hendrik

LarryT wrote:
> Hi !
> Thx to several of you I am pretty sure I have paint code #122M which 
> is Mother of Pearl Grey Metallic.
>
> I believe the paint for the plastic panels is 7122 but am not sure.
>
> There is also a Code 78 list under Paint Options but the description 
> says "No Code Designation Available"
>
> Are there any other sources for MB Option codes?  I tried Peachparts 
> without luck -
>
> Thx
> Larry
>


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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Clay via Mercedes]

Not my pooch.  I am not a frivolous pet person.  Especially not for something 
that lives inside a house

clay


> On Jan 8, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or trade the existing dog for an Alaskan sled dog who will live outside?
> 
> Randy

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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The beast is a mid size doodle.  It has “hair” or a pelt, not fur, according to 
SWMBA.  It does know better than to go outside just for kicks.  Potty breaks 
are pretty much out, drop it, and dash back in. It has not seemed worse for 
wear during walks.  The dog does have two rain coats, as it sucks up moisture 
like a rag mop which takes hours on end to dry.  

The mutt will sit outside in the falling snow for hours just waiting to bark at 
a moose or some poor kid walking home from school.


clay

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 11:28 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay,
> 
> Does the dog wear an extra coat? I would think an indoor dog would
> object to such cold weather without putting on another layer of
> insulation.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/01/2020 4:06 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

I do not think there is a vet close by.  No wild pork on the hoof, but ample 
selection of ungulate and ursine road kill available in the area

clay



I had to look those up

hoofed animals and those that resemble bears


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I do not think there is a vet close by.  No wild pork on the hoof, but ample 
selection of ungulate and ursine road kill available in the area

clay

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s not a veterinarian clinic is it?
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 12:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:30:22 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Down the road from the home of SWMBA is a chinese/pizza place.  I have
>>> not attempted to investigate, as the possibilities are troubling.  It
>>> does share a small building with a walk in clinic.
>> 
>> Coincidentally co-located?
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m pretty sure Hendrick is alive and well. I’ve seen him pop up on the 
veteran’s FB group once in a while as well as on OZBenz, John’s MB forum.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea we took them to outback. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hendrick? Wife Faye I think?
>> Forgot the surname. 
>> Traveled with son and daughter IIRC?
>> Never met him, but enjoyed his story about eating at Outback Steakhouse. 
>> 
>>> On January 8, 2020 at 2:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
>>> summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
>>> email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> OK Don
>>> 
>>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>>> 
>>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>> for themselves."
>>> 
>>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] Mountain Man?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

What has become of mao?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea we took them to outback. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hendrick? Wife Faye I think?
> Forgot the surname. 
> Traveled with son and daughter IIRC?
> Never met him, but enjoyed his story about eating at Outback Steakhouse. 
> 
>> On January 8, 2020 at 2:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
>> summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
>> email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
>> 
>> -- 
>> OK Don
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Hendrick 

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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:14 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
> summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
> email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 Upgrade from 7

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

On mine I disabled that pci card in device manager that said it needed a 
driver. I’m doing the install again right now and it appears to actually 
install windows 10, because it boots into it then downloads updates. It’s 
currently at 13% on updates. Will see if it works this time or not. I am not 
sure how far into updates it got before but I’m pretty sure it has at least 
made at least this far.

Well just restarted and now it’s undoing changes so failed again. 

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>  wrote:
> 
> I have not been able to make the upgrade work either. I have been trying to 
> do it on a laptop that really has no data etc that I would be concerned about.
> 
> It appears to work to begin but then hangs up when it is trying to download 
> the updates at 46%. I have tried a number of remedies that are claimed to 
> work but none of them appear to do so.
> 
> I am essentially frustrated with Microsoft once again. I have toyed with the 
> idea of moving to Ubuntu for a long while but never have. Now seems like a 
> good time to put it on this laptop and try it out.
> 
> I may be stuck with Windows on my office computer as there are a couple of 
> programs that I use that pretty much require it but apart from that the 
> office could no doubt go to linux as well.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 Upgrade from 7

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Probably but it is annoying that their upgrade program does not appear 
to work. I am not asking it to do anything odd.
The laptop is an Acer with an i5 chip and 6 G of RAM and lots of hard 
drive space.

It is a few years old but hardly an antique.

Randy

On 08/01/2020 12:12 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Randy - can you format (wipe) the hard drive in that laptop, and then try
to install Win 10 from a DVD or thumb drive?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:43 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I have not been able to make the upgrade work either. I have been trying
to do it on a laptop that really has no data etc that I would be
concerned about.

It appears to work to begin but then hangs up when it is trying to
download the updates at 46%. I have tried a number of remedies that are
claimed to work but none of them appear to do so.

I am essentially frustrated with Microsoft once again. I have toyed with
the idea of moving to Ubuntu for a long while but never have. Now seems
like a good time to put it on this laptop and try it out.

I may be stuck with Windows on my office computer as there are a couple
of programs that I use that pretty much require it but apart from that
the office could no doubt go to linux as well.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m not too happy about the removal of a headphone jack on the iPhone. 

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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Apple is downward spiraling all together, they're making products to sell 
> more products rather than "thinking different". They're removal of useful 
> ports that they pioneered just a couple years before is very telling. I 
> consider removal of the SD card slot to be a crime against humanity.
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 11:12:09 PM EST, Brian Toscano via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Macs are not what they used to be.
> 
> Years ago they were light years ahead of Microsoft but over time the two
> have converged.  Microsoft has gone up and Apple has gone down.  I remember
> back in 2007 or so using a neighbors printer with my Mac and he said I'd
> probably have to install some device drivers, etc.  I said I'll probably
> just connect the USB cable and hit print and it will print.  The printed
> pages came out and he was so impressed he bought Macs for his family.  This
> is why people used to say "Macs just work."
> 
> But it's just not the same anymore.  I'm sending this email from a
> Microsoft Surface Pro 7 running Windows 10...  The SSD in my Mac failed
> last Monday morning.  I tried to recover from Time Machine to an external
> drive and it restored but would not boot.  Then I tried to upgrade the OS
> on the recovery drive I was restoring to so it would be the same version as
> the Time Machine, but it would not install because it did not see a factory
> SSD.  I read of others having similar problems installing or upgrading Mac
> OS when the factory SSD drive is not seen.
> 
> Windows is not perfect, but its trending better and macOS is trending
> down...
> 
> I would try a fresh install on an empty hard drive rather than try to
> upgrade from Windows 7.  Too often the spec sheet says it will work, but
> it's just not a great idea even if it manages to work somehow.
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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We need to see a photo of said frozen doodle.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 3:32 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> Or trade the existing dog for an Alaskan sled dog who will live outside?
>
> Randy
>
> On 08/01/2020 2:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Clay,
> >
> > Does the dog wear an extra coat? I would think an indoor dog would
> > object to such cold weather without putting on another layer of
> > insulation.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jan 8, 2020 12:44:07 AM Clay via Mercedes :
> >
> >
> >> They finally plowed the street from the new years day storm. I get to
> drag the doodle dog around after putting Mushers Magic (looks like
> petroleum jelly) on his paws. Today’s walk awarded me with iced up eye
> brows and lashes, rime around the balaclava, and a four inch ice booger
> dangling from my chin. I feared my eyes would freeze.
> >>
> >> BTW, 4% relative humidity inside is really uncomfortable. The
> humidifier machines could not keep up, but a large pot of boiling water
> helps. Until I saw that it was escaping through the perished seals on the
> windows and icing up the glass outside.
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/01/2020 1:13 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 


Hendrik Riessen

Hendrik & Fay

I show 3 email addresses

heni...@ozemail.com.au

heni...@gmail.com

and

mb82u1...@yahoo.com.au

Randy who has not deleted much email in a long while


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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Or trade the existing dog for an Alaskan sled dog who will live outside?

Randy

On 08/01/2020 2:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Clay,

Does the dog wear an extra coat? I would think an indoor dog would
object to such cold weather without putting on another layer of
insulation.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 8, 2020 12:44:07 AM Clay via Mercedes :



They finally plowed the street from the new years day storm. I get to drag the 
doodle dog around after putting Mushers Magic (looks like petroleum jelly) on 
his paws. Today’s walk awarded me with iced up eye brows and lashes, rime 
around the balaclava, and a four inch ice booger dangling from my chin. I 
feared my eyes would freeze.

BTW, 4% relative humidity inside is really uncomfortable. The humidifier 
machines could not keep up, but a large pot of boiling water helps. Until I saw 
that it was escaping through the perished seals on the windows and icing up the 
glass outside.

clay






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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Anyone hear from Davide?

Bob R

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> On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:23 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Was his name Reisen or similar?
> Mitch. 
>> On January 8, 2020 at 3:04 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> You might be right and it was relatives that were Kiwi, maybe his wife's 
>> family. I found some messages from 2011 but I was on digest, they're a bit 
>> painful to muddle through.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/01/2020 1:13 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 

who was the list member in Chicago - mao? He loaned him a 240D to tour 
the country if I recall.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Clay,

Does the dog wear an extra coat? I would think an indoor dog would
object to such cold weather without putting on another layer of
insulation.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 8, 2020 12:44:07 AM Clay via Mercedes :


> They finally plowed the street from the new years day storm. I get to drag 
> the doodle dog around after putting Mushers Magic (looks like petroleum 
> jelly) on his paws. Today’s walk awarded me with iced up eye brows and 
> lashes, rime around the balaclava, and a four inch ice booger dangling from 
> my chin. I feared my eyes would freeze.
>
> BTW, 4% relative humidity inside is really uncomfortable. The humidifier 
> machines could not keep up, but a large pot of boiling water helps. Until I 
> saw that it was escaping through the perished seals on the windows and icing 
> up the glass outside.
>
> clay
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Was his name Reisen or similar?
Mitch. 
> On January 8, 2020 at 3:04 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  You might be right and it was relatives that were Kiwi, maybe his wife's 
> family. I found some messages from 2011 but I was on digest, they're a bit 
> painful to muddle through.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You might be right and it was relatives that were Kiwi, maybe his wife's 
family. I found some messages from 2011 but I was on digest, they're a bit 
painful to muddle through.
-Curt

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 2:53:11 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Curt wrote:

>  Its gotta be but IIRC he's a kiwi not a aussie. I remember them
> being hit with the earthquakes. -Curt

From OZ, not a kiwi.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

>  Its gotta be but IIRC he's a kiwi not a aussie. I remember them
> being hit with the earthquakes. -Curt

>From OZ, not a kiwi.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its gotta be but IIRC he's a kiwi not a aussie. I remember them being hit with 
the earthquakes.
-Curt

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 2:22:38 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Hendrick? Wife Faye I think?
Forgot the surname. 
Traveled with son and daughter IIRC?
Never met him, but enjoyed his story about eating at Outback Steakhouse. 

> On January 8, 2020 at 2:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
> summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
> email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Oregon Museum of Science and Industry

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley 
McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 11:05 AM
To: Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

what is OMSI?

> Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> January 8, 2020 at 11:23 AM
>
> The sub at OMSI is not to be missed. Docents vary, I believe one of 
> them on our day had actually commanded
> one of those boats. Knew his stuff, cold.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] I guess Clay can quit worrying about freezing rain...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I take it you're not in Tampa.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:44 AM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> They finally plowed the street from the new years day storm.  I get to
> drag the doodle dog around after putting Mushers Magic (looks like
> petroleum jelly) on his paws.  Today’s walk awarded me with iced up eye
> brows and lashes, rime around the balaclava, and a four inch ice booger
> dangling from my chin.   I feared my eyes would freeze.
>
> BTW, 4% relative humidity inside is really uncomfortable.  The humidifier
> machines could not keep up, but a large pot of boiling water helps.  Until
> I saw that it was escaping through the perished seals on the windows and
> icing up the glass outside.
>
> clay
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] OT - fires

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Hendrick? Wife Faye I think?
Forgot the surname. 
Traveled with son and daughter IIRC?
Never met him, but enjoyed his story about eating at Outback Steakhouse. 

> On January 8, 2020 at 2:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
> summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
> email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] OT - fires

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Does anyone remember our previous Australian member who toured the US one
summer? He came to our house, but I can't remember his name, to look up an
email address, to ask how the fires are effecting them 

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

what is OMSI?


Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 11:23 AM

The sub at OMSI is not to be missed. Docents vary, I believe one of 
them on our day had actually commanded

one of those boats. Knew his stuff, cold.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 Upgrade from 7

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I've moved from Ubuntu to Mint since I had one PC and one instance of a VM
that wouldn't properly install Ubuntu, but Mint worked.
https://linuxmint.com - installed it from a bootable usb stick.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:43 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> I have not been able to make the upgrade work either. I have been trying
> to do it on a laptop that really has no data etc that I would be
> concerned about.
>
> It appears to work to begin but then hangs up when it is trying to
> download the updates at 46%. I have tried a number of remedies that are
> claimed to work but none of them appear to do so.
>
> I am essentially frustrated with Microsoft once again. I have toyed with
> the idea of moving to Ubuntu for a long while but never have. Now seems
> like a good time to put it on this laptop and try it out.
>
> I may be stuck with Windows on my office computer as there are a couple
> of programs that I use that pretty much require it but apart from that
> the office could no doubt go to linux as well.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I did not see the email you mentioned so I you could forward it to me directly 
that would be great. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 11:53 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> I sent you some file attachments, but neither my email or the files seem to 
> have made it through to you.  If you get them, try the Upgrade Assistant 
> (original).  It was good at finding and showing actual reasons that your PC 
> is not ready for an upgrade.  It was the reason I found out that one of my 
> Vostros needed a BIOS upgrade first.
> And for the other naysayers, I've always upgraded because it keeps all my 
> settings and I don't have to waste time creating them again.  Also, I first 
> used Macs in the early 90s.  They had HD controller problems and other 
> issues.  Yes they had good graphics, but...   We all like what we use.  I 
> just don't use odd or non mainstream APPs.  Not worth the OS problems they 
> can cause.
> Again, good luck,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 Upgrade from 7

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Randy - can you format (wipe) the hard drive in that laptop, and then try
to install Win 10 from a DVD or thumb drive?
-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have not been able to make the upgrade work either. I have been trying
> to do it on a laptop that really has no data etc that I would be
> concerned about.
>
> It appears to work to begin but then hangs up when it is trying to
> download the updates at 46%. I have tried a number of remedies that are
> claimed to work but none of them appear to do so.
>
> I am essentially frustrated with Microsoft once again. I have toyed with
> the idea of moving to Ubuntu for a long while but never have. Now seems
> like a good time to put it on this laptop and try it out.
>
> I may be stuck with Windows on my office computer as there are a couple
> of programs that I use that pretty much require it but apart from that
> the office could no doubt go to linux as well.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Linux software - was: Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > fmiser wrote:
> > 
> > I banish those specialty applications to a virtual machine.
> > And I have a bunch. [sigh]  The host is GNU/Linux.  From the
> > host (Linux) I have good software ...

> Craig askes:
> 
> Are your "browser, email client, pdf viewer, pdf creating,
> image/photo editing, vector graphic editing, CAD, spreadsheet,
> word processing, music player, video player" all on Linux, or
> are some of the virtual machines for that?
> 
> If those are on Linux, which programs do you use for them?

All Linux

Browser - Firefox and Chromium, but also occasionally links2, or
lynx, dillo or hv3

email client - claws-mail and thunderbird

PDF viewer - evince, but not since GNOME3. Now MATEs version
atril.  And xpdf.

pdf creating - ghostscript, pdftk, and imagemagick, and CUPS.  But
many programs have a built-in "print to file".

image/photo editing - bitmap.  the GIMP, krita, imagemagick.

vector graphics - inskscape

CAD - libreCAD

spreadsheet - libreoffice, openoffice, and gnumeric

word processing - libreoffice, openoffice, and abiword

music player - rhythmbox, mpd, vlc, mplayer

video player - vlc, xine, mplayer, ffmpeg


And I missed a couple in my list of "can't live without".

emac, a text editor and more.

xcircuit for schematic drawing, and other drawings that benefit
from pre-defined objects.

fcron, system scheduler.  I find it more flexible and usable than
anacron or cron.

synergy, current open-source port called barrier.  Not the new,
Synergy2 which abandoned open-source, but the older one.  This
allows sharing keyboard and mouse across multiple computers.  So
as I sit here with my desktop's keyboard under my fingers, I can
move my mouse off the right end of my screen and it shows up on my
laptops's screen.  Now I can type, mouse, copy/paste on my laptop.



Further explanation on a few of the ones I did list.

sshfs.  Kinda like nfs, but not.  nfs requires setting config
files, has various issues, transfers  files in the clear, but
seems to not mind if the network disconnects and re-connects.  In
contrast, sshfs can be setup in fstab, but I mostly use it on the
fly, no config, simple command.  Transfers are encrypted, but it's
pretty unhappy if the network fails and will not reconnect on it's
own.  

I use it to view, edit, move, copy files on remote computers
- which might be the laptop sitting next to me, but could be my
Android 'phone, or a computer in another state.  Because the far
filesystem is mounted locally, I get to use all my tools.  So on
my 'phone, by installing a simple SSH server and mounting it on a
directory on my desktop computer with sshfs, I get all my desktop
tools (find, grep, emacs, GIMP, etc) to work on files on the
phone.  

Another slick use is to mount another users files as though they
were mine.  I have a system user (clicker) with limited privileges
that owns all the photos.  To protect these, none of the ordinary
users have write access.  So if I have photos on my 'phone that I
want copied to the photo directories I have a problem.  Clicker
doesn't have access to the phone ssh server.  I have access to the
phone, but don't have write access to clickers dir.  So I sshfs
mount the phone to Dir1, and sshfs mount as user clicker the photo
dir on Dir2.  Now I can just copy files from the phone to Dir1 to
Dir2 and all the permissions stay correct.


Unison - file synchronizing.  Fast and efficient.  And by default
shows me a list of all the files that will be changed, and whether
it's a real change or just a permissions change.

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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 Upgrade from 7

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

For work I am using Windows, both 7 and 10, under VMWare on a Macbook Pro.
Also Ubuntu.  I think we're completely done with W7, though.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Windows 10 Upgrade from 7

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have not been able to make the upgrade work either. I have been trying 
to do it on a laptop that really has no data etc that I would be 
concerned about.


It appears to work to begin but then hangs up when it is trying to 
download the updates at 46%. I have tried a number of remedies that are 
claimed to work but none of them appear to do so.


I am essentially frustrated with Microsoft once again. I have toyed with 
the idea of moving to Ubuntu for a long while but never have. Now seems 
like a good time to put it on this laptop and try it out.


I may be stuck with Windows on my office computer as there are a couple 
of programs that I use that pretty much require it but apart from that 
the office could no doubt go to linux as well.


Randy


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[MBZ] Windows 10 Upgrade from 7

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have not been able to make the upgrade work either. I have been trying 
to do it on a laptop that really has no data etc that I would be 
concerned about.


It appears to work to begin but then hangs up when it is trying to 
download the updates at 46%. I have tried a number of remedies that are 
claimed to work but none of them appear to do so.


I am essentially frustrated with Microsoft once again. I have toyed with 
the idea of moving to Ubuntu for a long while but never have. Now seems 
like a good time to put it on this laptop and try it out.


I may be stuck with Windows on my office computer as there are a couple 
of programs that I use that pretty much require it but apart from that 
the office could no doubt go to linux as well.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I like the science museum with the submarine. I’ve told the story about the 
> guy who was in one of my training classes there who served on the sister 
> boat. He went on the tour with me one time and ended up leading the tour 
> because he knew more than the docent. It was cool.

The sub at OMSI is not to be missed.  Docents vary, I believe one of them on 
our day had actually commanded
one of those boats.  Knew his stuff, cold.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks Jaime!   Good info

Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote on 1/8/20 5:15 AM:

I had a discussion with my alignment guy last week about this topic.  Hes
been at it almost 40 years and specializes in european cars.  He confirmed
that the the links can be torqued down without the spring installed.  Its
important that the axle is horizontal, as stated in the workshop manual (it
doesn't state the weight of the car should be on the suspension for most of
the links).  The critical point is to have the bushing held in a position
where they will not be under tension when the car is sitting on its
wheels.  How you achieve this (with/without spring, vehicle on the ground,
subframe out of the car, etc) isn't important.

After the 4 links are done and installed in the car, you can install the
spring and spring link, then support the car with a floor jack or the wheel
on blocks to bring the suspension to the correct position to torque down
the spring link.  Then install the sway bar and shock, as these will work
against you if you install them first.

Good luck,
Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks Karl.   That was the approach I was thinking of, more or less.  I 
can see having the diff and axles mounted, and I could also see 
installing without the diff and axles.   The aussie Rick showed did it 
with just the subframe and links, then added wheel carriers, diff and 
axles.


I think it makes sense to tighten everything on the bench in position, 
then drop one end of  the lca to add spring.  I think it COULD be done 
with springs in place, but that would be easier if you had threaded rods 
for guides in the subframe mounts.



Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
January 8, 2020 at 12:36 AM
I had all new links, new diff and axles and a new subframe, so I replaced
the lower carrier bearings then assembled the whole shooting match on a
table, then lowered it onto a dolly and slid it under the car with the car
on blocks. Then I put a jack under the diff and lifted the whole thing 
into

place. Lined up the front bolts each side first, then the rear bolts, one
bolt at a time. It takes a bit of fiddling to get the whole mess balanced
over the jack point; I used a 2x6 under the diff andtried several slight
movements of the jack on the 2x6 until it balanced. The new swaybar, upper
sway link bolts and upper sls strut bolts were installed before the
subframe went in, then attached.

The link tightening is far easier to do on the bench than on the car 
and it

is easy to position the carriers properly before tightening, to avoid too
much bushing torque at final ride height. Same with the axle bolts, outer
axle nuts, and diff mount bolts front and back. You can also eyeball the
toe links and adjust the eccentric bolts to similar positions to get it in
the ballpark for the drive to the alignment shop. I left the inner main
control arm bushings loose, then after bolting the subframe in put the
springs and new pads in and gingerly with appropriate trepidation and arms
length gently jacked the arm up until the main spherical bearing bolt hole
lined up with the carrier bearing, adding some blocks under it as I went.
Once that bolt is in you can relax a bit and fit the lower sls shock and
swaybar bolts by adjusting the height of the jack and wiggling the swaybar
links, and tighten the inner main control arm bolt. The first side took 30
minutes. The second side took 5 minutes.

Remount the brake calipers. Put the wheels on. Mount the new flex discs
and driveshaft/center bearing. Hook up the new parking brake cables and
adjust the length. Hook up the ABS sensor wire and any of that traction
control stuff if the car has it. Exhaust will need to go back on
eventually, and splash shields, but not needed for shakedown. Everything
else is already torqued, so test the brakes and take a ride. Dont 
forget to

add hydraulic fluid and or brake fluid if any was drained out, and check
for leaks. Check the diff fluid level or change it out while the subframe
is out of the car.

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 8:31 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[dan--- via Mercedes]

Our VDI environment is non-persistent VMs for the most part. Use it, toss it.

-D

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was going to say "we don't support video editing from a VM" but actually we 
> do. Go price an nVidia Tesla v100, I'll wait...
> Now you see why I don't care to edit video from a VM. ;) Plus you need a thin 
> client and theres an AV offset you have to compensate for, its kind of a 
> pain. Really cool for schools though, make the boot volume of the VM 
> non-presistent and reboot between students, sweet.
> -Curt
> 
>>On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 10:43:03 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> Curt wrote:
> 
>> If I didn't have specialty applications to support I'd run
>> Ubuntu Linux.
> 
> I banish those specialty applications to a virtual machine.  And I
> have a bunch. [sigh]  The host is GNU/Linux.  From the host
> (Linux) I have good software for browser, email client, pdf
> viewer, pdf creating, image/photo editing, vector graphic editing,
> CAD, spreadsheet, word processing, music player, video player,
> etc.  And then some programs that I rather depend on - some which
> might be Linux only, like sshfs, encfs, unison, ssh, SoX, ffmpeg,
> BASH, etc.
> 
> The virtual machine is for hardware specific software like audio
> DSP control, audio mixer remote control, wireless microphone
> management, and so on.  Wine doesn't work for most of 'em.
> 
> Audio editing in Linux is fair.  Audacity is good at what it does,
> but is not a real DAW. Ardour is kinda tricky and picky but is
> quite capable.
> 
> Video editing in Linux is not so great.  Cinelerra is the best
> I've found so far - clumsy, picky, and hard to use. Avid and
> FinalCutPro from 20 years ago was better.  I haven't use either in
> more than a decade so I don't know how those two are now - but I
> do miss FinalCutPro version 2 when I want to edit video.
> 
> Almost any Linux will be no more trouble than Apple or
> Microsoft.  Just different - and much more "within your control".
> 
>> I NEVER upgrade an OS if I can help it. All you're doing is
>> bringing bits of the old OS along which at best gives you a
>> mish-mosh of stuff and at worst sets you up for misery.
> 
> I think that is a description of Win10!!  The control prefs are
> such a pain.  New names for the same control.  Access path seems
> to be different every time I use it., control some stuff from
> here, some from there, some from dialogs from Win7, some from
> WinXP - maybe even some from Win95!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Apple is downward spiraling all together, they're making products to sell more 
products rather than "thinking different". They're removal of useful ports that 
they pioneered just a couple years before is very telling. I consider removal 
of the SD card slot to be a crime against humanity.
-Curt

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 11:12:09 PM EST, Brian Toscano via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Macs are not what they used to be.

Years ago they were light years ahead of Microsoft but over time the two
have converged.  Microsoft has gone up and Apple has gone down.  I remember
back in 2007 or so using a neighbors printer with my Mac and he said I'd
probably have to install some device drivers, etc.  I said I'll probably
just connect the USB cable and hit print and it will print.  The printed
pages came out and he was so impressed he bought Macs for his family.  This
is why people used to say "Macs just work."

But it's just not the same anymore.  I'm sending this email from a
Microsoft Surface Pro 7 running Windows 10...  The SSD in my Mac failed
last Monday morning.  I tried to recover from Time Machine to an external
drive and it restored but would not boot.  Then I tried to upgrade the OS
on the recovery drive I was restoring to so it would be the same version as
the Time Machine, but it would not install because it did not see a factory
SSD.  I read of others having similar problems installing or upgrading Mac
OS when the factory SSD drive is not seen.

Windows is not perfect, but its trending better and macOS is trending
down...

I would try a fresh install on an empty hard drive rather than try to
upgrade from Windows 7.  Too often the spec sheet says it will work, but
it's just not a great idea even if it manages to work somehow.
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I was going to say "we don't support video editing from a VM" but actually we 
do. Go price an nVidia Tesla v100, I'll wait...
Now you see why I don't care to edit video from a VM. ;) Plus you need a thin 
client and theres an AV offset you have to compensate for, its kind of a pain. 
Really cool for schools though, make the boot volume of the VM non-presistent 
and reboot between students, sweet.
-Curt

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 10:43:03 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Curt wrote:

> If I didn't have specialty applications to support I'd run
> Ubuntu Linux.

I banish those specialty applications to a virtual machine.  And I
have a bunch. [sigh]  The host is GNU/Linux.  From the host
(Linux) I have good software for browser, email client, pdf
viewer, pdf creating, image/photo editing, vector graphic editing,
CAD, spreadsheet, word processing, music player, video player,
etc.  And then some programs that I rather depend on - some which
might be Linux only, like sshfs, encfs, unison, ssh, SoX, ffmpeg,
BASH, etc.

The virtual machine is for hardware specific software like audio
DSP control, audio mixer remote control, wireless microphone
management, and so on.  Wine doesn't work for most of 'em.

Audio editing in Linux is fair.  Audacity is good at what it does,
but is not a real DAW. Ardour is kinda tricky and picky but is
quite capable.

Video editing in Linux is not so great.  Cinelerra is the best
I've found so far - clumsy, picky, and hard to use. Avid and
FinalCutPro from 20 years ago was better.  I haven't use either in
more than a decade so I don't know how those two are now - but I
do miss FinalCutPro version 2 when I want to edit video.

Almost any Linux will be no more trouble than Apple or
Microsoft.  Just different - and much more "within your control".

> I NEVER upgrade an OS if I can help it. All you're doing is
> bringing bits of the old OS along which at best gives you a
> mish-mosh of stuff and at worst sets you up for misery.

I think that is a description of Win10!!  The control prefs are
such a pain.  New names for the same control.  Access path seems
to be different every time I use it., control some stuff from
here, some from there, some from dialogs from Win7, some from
WinXP - maybe even some from Win95!


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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 No I meant from fresh media, by which I mean download the .iso for Win10 and 
use Rufus to make a boot disk.
Going to fresh media is a good idea too.
-Curt

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 7:31:21 PM EST, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
Do you mean "reinstall TO fresh media"?

A new SSD is cheap compared to buying a whole new PC. Maybe his system can 
accept two hard drives, so he can keep his existing drive as the data disc.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 7, 2020 7:23:29 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> If I didn't have specialty applications to support I'd run Ubuntu Linux. Its 
> stable, easy to use, easy to install and comes with a bunch of productivity 
> stuff built right in.
> Kaleb needs to back up his data and reinstall Windows from fresh media. I 
> NEVER upgrade an OS if I can help it. All you're doing is bringing bits of 
> the old OS along which at best gives you a mish-mosh of stuff and at worst 
> sets you up for misery.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 5:57:04 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Or he could buy another PC. After reading all the tooth gnashing and
> grumbling about the Macs on this list, it just confirms for me that there
> is no perfect system. I've (knocking on wood) had very little trouble with
> Microsoft's OS's, including the hated and reviled ones. I built the "image"
> for and supported over 8000 PC's when I was working last ...
> Given that Microsoft supports way more hardware and configurations than
> Apple's closed system, they do a very good job. Most issues like Kaleb's
> are self-inflicted, or the result of dying hardware.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Buy a Mac. You’ve already burned so many calories on this it’s not funny.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Attached 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Jan 7, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Where would I find the log? I went into event viewer and there are
> > > > 
> > > 
> > several categories? What sort of thing would I be looking for? It’s the
> > same error as before which I attached. I did notice on device manager there
> > was some sort of pci simple communication controller that that has yellow
> > triangle and said drivers not installed correctly. I tried update driver
> > but nothing. I am going to disable it and try the upgrade again.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > On Jan 6, 2020, at 5:18 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kaleb,
> > > > > What was the error code this time? And please look for a log file for
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > more specifics. I'll bet when you find the cause it is something simple.
> > Do you have any "strange apps" that Win10 needs to make compatible from
> > Win7? Take everything out of your startup folder and retry. You might
> > also go to Task Mgr. and look for any odd services that my be running. We
> > have all added lots of things to our PCs and hope that Windows will be
> > happy with them. Remember Win 3 that had all the DLL problems caused by
> > outside vendors and their Apps. It's always easier to blame MS than to
> > blame ourselves.
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Good luck,
> > > > > Roger
> > > > > Roger Hale
> > > > > Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> > > > > Monroe, Ga.
> > > > > 770-267-0850
> > > > > www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT too funny fake news

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 09:09:19 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> https://babylonbee.com/news/john-bolton-cant-believe-he-quit-just-before-war-with-iran


https://babylonbee.com/news/san-francisco-changes-term-convicted-felons-to-more-politically-correct-elected-officials


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT too funny fake news

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. The Bee is pretty good. 

Rick



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Subject: [MBZ] OT too funny fake news


https://babylonbee.com/news/john-bolton-cant-believe-he-quit-just-before-war-with-iran

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[MBZ] OT: Lithium sulfur battery developed in Oz

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Jan. 7, 2020

Australian scientists say they've developed a lithium-sulfur battery
durable enough to become the preferred power source for electric vehicles
with double the range of a Tesla.

Lithium-sulfur batteries are typically less expensive than lithium-ion
types now used in electric cars, but they degrade quickly when delivering
high volumes of energy.

The Australian breakthrough could change that by providing a more stable
cathode, the end of the battery that discharges electrical currents.

As described in a study published last weekend in *Science Advances*, the
lithium-sulfur technology could eventually power a car for well over 600
miles, far outstripping the range of lithium-ion and effectively wiping
away consumer concerns about the capabilities of electric models.

"The increased specific energy of this next generation of lithium batteries
should allow for 1000km (621 miles) [of range] and more," while preserving
cost advantages, wrote Mahdokht Shaibani, a research fellow and lead author
of the study by professors at Monash University in Melbourne.

The lithium-sulfur technology, she added, wouldn't use cobalt — a mineral
largely sourced from Congo and associated with reports of labor abuses.
Cobalt is expected to come into short supply over the next decade.

Sulfur, by contrast, is "historically very cheap to acquire" and "in
significant abundance," Shaibani noted in an email to E News.

The invention still needs work. The stability of the lithium anode needs to
be increased fivefold, she said, and the management system that monitors
and protects the battery is in its early stages.

It's also likely to face scrutiny from battery analysts who maintain
lithium-ion is here to stay as the reigning technology for EVs, especially
if supply chains mature in coming years. Some automakers, like Fiat
Chrysler Automobiles NV and General Motors Co., have also begun to invest
in plants where their cars' lithium-ion batteries will be assembled.

Still, other corners of the industry are hedging their bets. Majors like
Ford Motor Co. and Volkswagen AG have researchers working on
commercializing solid-state batteries with 500-mile-plus range. Governments
in the United States, Australia and Europe are also funding work on
lithium-sulfur.

Shaibani said her team was in talks with EV and aircraft companies over
possible funding and collaboration, underscoring that her battery's
chemistry could allow them to avoid the shortages of raw materials that
some analysts expect in coming years.

"The switch to an alternative battery is inevitable, and [lithium-sulfur]
seems to be the heir apparent to lithium-ion," she wrote.
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[MBZ] OT too funny fake news

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

https://babylonbee.com/news/john-bolton-cant-believe-he-quit-just-before-war-with-iran

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Karl, Jaime: what about fine tuning the alignment of the differential, once
you get to the point of connecting the driveshaft?  IIRC, when I swapped
differentials on my 124 last fall, new bushings were supposed to be
installed with a special tool in order to get the differential aimed
directly at the driveshaft so the entire assembly would be straight and (I
assume) minimize flexing at the flex disc and sideways loading on the
bearing at the nose of the differential.  I didn't have the special factory
tool, used a Mark 1 Mod 0 Eyeball and calipers, paid attention to alignment
of the old diff and focused on getting the new diff into the same
position.  The fore/aft depth of each bushing can affect the diff
alignment, if they are grossly different.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: Fw: Re: pizza oven talk

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It’s not a veterinarian clinic is it?

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2020, at 12:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:30:22 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Down the road from the home of SWMBA is a chinese/pizza place.  I have
>> not attempted to investigate, as the possibilities are troubling.  It
>> does share a small building with a walk in clinic.
> 
> Coincidentally co-located?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] repair undercoating

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>It says it provides a coating for a year.   I am looking for a permanent
thing.

Not sure if this will work. 

https://www.hirschauto.com/mobile/QUART-MIRACLE-PAINT/productinfo/MIR-QUART/


Rick

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curley asked:

>What is the best way to install the rear subframe?   >Who has BTDT?

Not me. That said, this Aussie fellow I follow on YouTube is doing a 
restoration on a W124, and he just happens to be installing the rear suspension 
at this point.

https://youtu.be/PDUyNNvdrmw

Rick
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