Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Ice at ballistic speeds aimed at the incoming airplanes (Fire Island with the 
windmills is in the flight path and across the water from ANC.  Imagine the 
fireworks if a chunk struck the engine of an incoming 747 800 instead of some 
Iranian missile hitting a plane taking off.

clay


> On Jan 25, 2020, at 8:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> that's true if you hang a gallon water jug at the end of one rotor.   
> However, my thought is that if the blades are spinning, the buildup would be 
> pretty equal on each blade surface.   But I believe they shut down the 
> windmills when potential icing conditions exist.   but like I said, who needs 
> power with it is dark and cold and windy?Once they are shutdown, they 
> would have to stay that way until conditions melt off the ice.   You sure 
> would NOT want them slinging ice off at whatever the rotational velocity is.
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> January 25, 2020 at 12:33 PM
>> < The rotors turn so slow, I am not sure imbalance is a big problem.>>>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
that's true if you hang a gallon water jug at the end of one rotor.   
However, my thought is that if the blades are spinning, the buildup 
would be pretty equal on each blade surface.   But I believe they shut 
down the windmills when potential icing conditions exist.   but like I 
said, who needs power with it is dark and cold and windy?    Once they 
are shutdown, they would have to stay that way until conditions melt off 
the ice.   You sure would NOT want them slinging ice off at whatever the 
rotational velocity is.



G Mann via Mercedes 
January 25, 2020 at 12:33 PM
< The rotors turn so slow, I am not sure imbalance is a big 
problem.>>>


Blades are, say, 90 ft long Ice [water] is roughly 8 lb per gallon...
for the sake of simple math, let's put a single 8 lb load 90 ft from
rotational center. Now, do the math for 8 lbs, with a 90 ft moment arm
How much out of balance load does that represent at 1 RPM at 20 RPM...
at the wind shutdown limit speed? [what ever that may be.]...
Could become "interesting" rather quickly because the cord of the blade
[total surface area to collect ice] would factor in the real world 
equation

as well...
My... how reality sucks when you live in a perfect fantasy* world...*



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Re: [MBZ] Booting the axle

2020-01-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
All the expanders I have seen appear to be the same thing, with 
different paint colors/seller brands.   All chineseum.  I'll have to 
look at Diesel giant and see if he has any better boots.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 25, 2020 at 12:02 PM


Oh, I thought you got the Diesel Giant expander and a bunch of Advance 
Auto Dorman boots. I always thought of Dorman as 'good enough for an 
emergency' parts, due to the Dorman supplies racks I see by the door 
at the FLAPS.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Many new super-insulated houses use insulation on the outside (vs 2x12 studs).  
Vapor and air barriers (sometimes separate things) are critical to prevent 
water collection inside walls.

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 4:41 PM
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> Cc: Clay 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for
> wind turbines
> 
> Leading edges delaminate and increase drag until a fresh set of blades are
> installed.  In the event of high enough relative humidity in big cold, the 
> wind
> farms tend to idle the blades.  That way nothing gets hurt.  Nor are electrons
> made.  A viable solution with that giant push away from combustion process
> for heat creating.  Just switch it all to electric heat and you get to save 
> the
> world.
> 
> I was reading about the super efficient homes getting built.  Something like 
> R40
> walls and R80 ceilings.  2x12 framing, super air tight, triple glazed 
> windows, but
> you only get a handful, so a big need for artificial lighting.  Some guy was
> quoted that he would be able to heat the place with a pair of hair driers.  
> Three
> kilowatt x 24, 72 kilowatt a day?  Toss in a fridge, box freezer, lots of LED 
> lights,
> induction stove and microwave, washer and dryer, humidity controls, plug in
> car, outdoor lighting…. $0.35 kilowatt hour.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> > On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > How do large wind mill blades preform with ice conditions?
> > Ice destroys aerodynamic  life quickly on airplanes, with wind
> > turbines, you have to contend with the balance issue caused by ice as 
> > well
> > Easily, I could see a self destruct happening with strong winds and ice...
> > in AK
> >
> > Hmmm,, not a perfect world for alternate energy yet again..
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Kleb Car

2020-01-25 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
And dying geezers whose kids don’t want to deal with their crap 

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> It’s Floriduh, man! No rust! Just toasted interiors and paint sometimes.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dang it it seems to be a Mecca or decently looking cheap cars down there. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 24, 2020, at 7:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like it might be a deal:
>>> 
>>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/ellenton-mercedes-e300/7062517160.html
>>> 
>>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe on BAT

2020-01-25 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
How much? I purchased a rusty example in way better condition but still
rough about 30 years ago for $2,800.

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> I actually brokered the sale of this car from the owner to the guy flipping
> it.  We ended up getting much more for it than the owner though it was
> worth.  It'll be interesting to see how much more was left it in. I figured
> it would end up in Europe somewhere for restoration.
>
> I will say, it cleaned up nicely.  Haha.
>
> Jaime
>
>
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> > "Project car" doesn't begin to describe this horror show.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Clay via Mercedes
AK has massive trapped natural gas resource.  Only able to access the stuff in 
Cook Inlet, close to ANC.  The stuff up north requires around $40bn to get 
south enough for urban use or export.  Nobody wants to spend that much on the 
pipeline, let alone have the state and private venture folks figured out where 
to route it.  Probably not going to happen.  There is a plan to build an off 
shore CNG port and plant once the ice cap recedes enough for easy shipping to 
Asia.  Seems the West Coast has banned the use of NG.  Let them burn kale to 
keep warm

clay monroe


> On Jan 25, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the large new windmill fields are often shut down in those conditions.   
>  Lessee... extreme cold, short days, people inside, needing heat, aux. 
> electric heat is probably on.   Yeah, perfect time to shut down the 
> windmills, cuz Lektric demand is down.   
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> January 25, 2020 at 10:59 AM
>> How do large wind mill blades preform with ice conditions?
>> Ice destroys aerodynamic life quickly on airplanes, with wind turbines,
>> you have to contend with the balance issue caused by ice as well
>> Easily, I could see a self destruct happening with strong winds and ice...
>> in AK
>> 
>> Hmmm,, not a perfect world for alternate energy yet again..

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Leading edges delaminate and increase drag until a fresh set of blades are 
installed.  In the event of high enough relative humidity in big cold, the wind 
farms tend to idle the blades.  That way nothing gets hurt.  Nor are electrons 
made.  A viable solution with that giant push away from combustion process for 
heat creating.  Just switch it all to electric heat and you get to save the 
world.

I was reading about the super efficient homes getting built.  Something like 
R40 walls and R80 ceilings.  2x12 framing, super air tight, triple glazed 
windows, but you only get a handful, so a big need for artificial lighting.  
Some guy was quoted that he would be able to heat the place with a pair of hair 
driers.  Three kilowatt x 24, 72 kilowatt a day?  Toss in a fridge, box 
freezer, lots of LED lights, induction stove and microwave, washer and dryer, 
humidity controls, plug in car, outdoor lighting…. $0.35 kilowatt hour.

clay


> On Jan 25, 2020, at 7:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> How do large wind mill blades preform with ice conditions?
> Ice destroys aerodynamic  life quickly on airplanes, with wind turbines,
> you have to contend with the balance issue caused by ice as well
> Easily, I could see a self destruct happening with strong winds and ice...
> in AK
> 
> Hmmm,, not a perfect world for alternate energy yet again..

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Bowling, UK style...

2020-01-25 Thread Frederick Moir via Mercedes
Mitch.
Thanks!
I have never played indoor bowls nor crown bowls.
The ball curves because one side of the ball is weighted, curves more the
slower it goes.
Some of those guys must understand ballistics as second-nature.
Thanks again, enjoyed it.
Fred.

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> I figured at least Fred would get a kick out of this.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ohG2I0NA8
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Yet, there are thousands of them out there operating in icing conditions
today -

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 12:34 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

>  Could become "interesting" rather quickly because the cord of the blade
> [total surface area to collect ice] would factor in the real world equation
> as well...
> My... how reality sucks when you live in a perfect fantasy* world...*
>
>
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"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Wait for it to melt!

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:34 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Typically wind turbines are braked and shut down in periods of high wind.
> But how do you start it back up when it's out of balance from ice
> accumulation?
>
>
-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
With a multi blade installation the ice weight balance point is very
likely different for each blade... equating to out of balance load against
the rotational center of mass.
Should be fun to watch... from a distance... through heavy lens.

Thanks Craig... I knew we had a learned expert math fellow in our midst.
You nail it nicely with the formula.

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:28 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 11:51:21 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Wait til spring?The rotors turn so slow, I am not sure imbalance is
> > a big problem.
>
>   4 pi^2 m r
> F = --
>  t^2
> where,  F = Centrifugal force
>pi = 3.14159...
> m = mass
> r = radius of mass
> t = rotational period
>
> t may be smaller than we are used to in automobiles, etc., but m can be
> rather high and r can be huge.
>
> I would say imbalance can be a problem.
>
> Now if the blades are heated ...
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> P.S. The formula above is where my domain name came from.
>
>
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > > January 25, 2020 at 11:33 AM
> > >
> > > Typically wind turbines are braked and shut down in periods of high
> > > wind. But how do you start it back up when it's out of balance from
> > > ice accumulation?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
 < The rotors turn so slow, I am not sure imbalance is a big problem.>>>

Blades are, say, 90 ft long Ice [water] is roughly 8 lb per gallon...
for the sake of simple math, let's put a single 8 lb load 90 ft from
rotational center. Now, do the math for 8 lbs, with a 90 ft moment arm
How much out of balance load does that represent at 1 RPM at 20 RPM...
at the wind shutdown limit speed? [what ever that may be.]...
Could become "interesting" rather quickly because the cord of the blade
[total surface area to collect ice] would factor in the real world equation
as well...
My... how reality sucks when you live in a perfect fantasy* world...*

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 10:52 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Wait til spring?The rotors turn so slow, I am not sure imbalance is
> a big problem.
>
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > January 25, 2020 at 11:33 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Typically wind turbines are braked and shut down in periods of high wind.
> > But how do you start it back up when it's out of balance from ice
> > accumulation?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Network Wiring Day!

2020-01-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 07:55:15 -0600 tyee165 via Mercedes
 wrote:

> OK, I understand, old house. We have stripped a bunch of stills but our
> house was built in 1981 s0 n0 asbestos in the stipple. Another
> alternative would be a new layer of drywall and leave the stipple in
> place.RB

How do you know there is no asbestos?

Does Canada have a law forbidding sale of products containing asbestos?

The United States does not. Products containing asbestos are for sale in
home improvement centers today.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 11:51:21 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Wait til spring?    The rotors turn so slow, I am not sure imbalance is 
> a big problem.

  4 pi^2 m r
F = --
 t^2
where,  F = Centrifugal force
   pi = 3.14159...
m = mass
r = radius of mass
t = rotational period

t may be smaller than we are used to in automobiles, etc., but m can be
rather high and r can be huge.

I would say imbalance can be a problem.

Now if the blades are heated ...


Craig


P.S. The formula above is where my domain name came from.


> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > January 25, 2020 at 11:33 AM
> >
> > Typically wind turbines are braked and shut down in periods of high
> > wind. But how do you start it back up when it's out of balance from
> > ice accumulation?

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe on BAT

2020-01-25 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
I actually brokered the sale of this car from the owner to the guy flipping
it.  We ended up getting much more for it than the owner though it was
worth.  It'll be interesting to see how much more was left it in. I figured
it would end up in Europe somewhere for restoration.

I will say, it cleaned up nicely.  Haha.

Jaime


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> "Project car" doesn't begin to describe this horror show.
>
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[MBZ] OT: Bowling, UK style...

2020-01-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

I figured at least Fred would get a kick out of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ohG2I0NA8

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Re: [MBZ] Booting the axle

2020-01-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
It was sold as a kit with the expander, 12 boots, 12 grease packets and 
24 clamps.   How can you say they weren't made to be expanded?  But yes, 
I'd say the quality was mediocre.  The pictures of the flexx boot look 
like better stuff.


Oh, I thought you got the Diesel Giant expander and a bunch of Advance Auto 
Dorman boots. I always thought of Dorman as 'good enough for an emergency' 
parts, due to the Dorman supplies racks I see by the door at the FLAPS.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Wait til spring?    The rotors turn so slow, I am not sure imbalance is 
a big problem.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 25, 2020 at 11:33 AM



Typically wind turbines are braked and shut down in periods of high wind.
But how do you start it back up when it's out of balance from ice 
accumulation?




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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe on BAT

2020-01-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
January 25, 2020 at 11:14 AM
Welcome to the Club. What took you so long?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
the large new windmill fields are often shut down in those conditions.   
 Lessee... extreme cold, short days, people inside, needing heat, 
aux. electric heat is probably on.   Yeah, perfect time to shut down the 
windmills, cuz Lektric demand is down.   



G Mann via Mercedes 
January 25, 2020 at 10:59 AM
How do large wind mill blades preform with ice conditions?
Ice destroys aerodynamic life quickly on airplanes, with wind turbines,
you have to contend with the balance issue caused by ice as well
Easily, I could see a self destruct happening with strong winds and ice...
in AK

Hmmm,, not a perfect world for alternate energy yet again..


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Re: [MBZ] Booting the axle

2020-01-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
It was sold as a kit with the expander, 12 boots, 12 grease packets and 
24 clamps.   How can you say they weren't made to be expanded?  But yes, 
I'd say the quality was mediocre.  The pictures of the flexx boot look 
like better stuff.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 25, 2020 at 10:39 AM


They weren't made for that, and are probably made of a resin selected 
for low price rather than high elasticity.

But you might increase your chances by boiling them in water.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

How do large wind mill blades preform with ice conditions?
Ice destroys aerodynamic  life quickly on airplanes, with wind turbines,
you have to contend with the balance issue caused by ice as well
Easily, I could see a self destruct happening with strong winds and ice...
in AK



Typically wind turbines are braked and shut down in periods of high wind.
But how do you start it back up when it's out of balance from ice accumulation?

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe on BAT

2020-01-25 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Welcome to the Club.  What took you so long?

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> $1,200 for the car... only another $40,000 to make it "nice"... it will
> never be a perfect restored car.. the bones are bad
> For once, I can agree with Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Thorium reactors 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 10:08 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No easy solutions...
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 1:54 AM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > Alaska, having energy islands and no viable grid to deliver electrons,
> > seems almost able to financially justify (with a bunch of Greenie Weenie
> > huzzah) installing wind platforms.  The original option for electric
> > utility power has been those generator sets Dan knows about.  Industrial
> > diesel engines that belch out smoke and cost close to $15/gallon to
> power.
> > The fuel has to be barged in by the barrel.  Propellors allow the utility
> > to cut back on all those gallons, but with a giant investment in
> stability
> > measures (battery, flywheel).  Not sure I recall what base load providers
> > are.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > > On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:34 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > All "Drink the Alternate Energy Koolaid" aside, I have yet to see any
> > > financial report that presents a viable Return on Investment where
> costs
> > of
> > > build/install/land cost for a "wind farm" has returned a profit in
> actual
> > > energy produced and sold.
> > >
> > > Bottom line remains. If Government money were not thrown at projects
> for
> > > wind farms, they would fold instantly for lack of profit...
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 8:21 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
How do large wind mill blades preform with ice conditions?
Ice destroys aerodynamic  life quickly on airplanes, with wind turbines,
you have to contend with the balance issue caused by ice as well
Easily, I could see a self destruct happening with strong winds and ice...
in AK

Hmmm,, not a perfect world for alternate energy yet again..

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> No easy solutions...
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 1:54 AM Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > Alaska, having energy islands and no viable grid to deliver electrons,
> > seems almost able to financially justify (with a bunch of Greenie Weenie
> > huzzah) installing wind platforms.  The original option for electric
> > utility power has been those generator sets Dan knows about.  Industrial
> > diesel engines that belch out smoke and cost close to $15/gallon to
> power.
> > The fuel has to be barged in by the barrel.  Propellors allow the utility
> > to cut back on all those gallons, but with a giant investment in
> stability
> > measures (battery, flywheel).  Not sure I recall what base load providers
> > are.
> >
> > clay
> >
> > > On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:34 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > All "Drink the Alternate Energy Koolaid" aside, I have yet to see any
> > > financial report that presents a viable Return on Investment where
> costs
> > of
> > > build/install/land cost for a "wind farm" has returned a profit in
> actual
> > > energy produced and sold.
> > >
> > > Bottom line remains. If Government money were not thrown at projects
> for
> > > wind farms, they would fold instantly for lack of profit...
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 8:21 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe on BAT

2020-01-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
$1,200 for the car... only another $40,000 to make it "nice"... it will
never be a perfect restored car.. the bones are bad
For once, I can agree with Andrew

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Re: [MBZ] Booting the axle

2020-01-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
the first 3 Dorman boots I tried all ripped at the small end when I put 
them in the expander and expanded them.


They weren't made for that, and are probably made of a resin selected for low 
price rather than high elasticity.

But you might increase your chances by boiling them in water.


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[MBZ] Cheap 280SE 3.5 W111 coupe on BAT

2020-01-25 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
"Project car" doesn't begin to describe this horror show.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Life cycle costs for manufacturing waste, recycling for wind turbines

2020-01-25 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
No easy solutions...

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 1:54 AM Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Alaska, having energy islands and no viable grid to deliver electrons,
> seems almost able to financially justify (with a bunch of Greenie Weenie
> huzzah) installing wind platforms.  The original option for electric
> utility power has been those generator sets Dan knows about.  Industrial
> diesel engines that belch out smoke and cost close to $15/gallon to power.
> The fuel has to be barged in by the barrel.  Propellors allow the utility
> to cut back on all those gallons, but with a giant investment in stability
> measures (battery, flywheel).  Not sure I recall what base load providers
> are.
>
> clay
>
> > On Jan 22, 2020, at 6:34 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > All "Drink the Alternate Energy Koolaid" aside, I have yet to see any
> > financial report that presents a viable Return on Investment where costs
> of
> > build/install/land cost for a "wind farm" has returned a profit in actual
> > energy produced and sold.
> >
> > Bottom line remains. If Government money were not thrown at projects for
> > wind farms, they would fold instantly for lack of profit...
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Caulk tube cap

2020-01-25 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
OK, I'm convinced!  I'll try this as well.  I've used other methods with
varying degrees of success (sandwich bad and rubber bands - worked OK but
time-consuming to find the parts in the house, store-bought caps - worked
on a couple tubes then broke off).
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 12:32 AM fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > > Max wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Hmm, I thought the threads inside a wire nut are a spring. I'm
> > > sceptical that will be a good seal.
>
> Well - try it!  Or don't.
>
> > FT wrote:
>
> > The big ones are just threaded plastic
>
> The ones I used are both.  Threads molded into the plastic the
> whole inside.  Then a steel spring way down in the tip.  I'm
> pretty sure on the tubes I used it on the steel isn't contacting
> anything.
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Re: [MBZ] Booting the axle

2020-01-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
124   I think 126, 201 and late 107 are the same. 210, 202 may be the 
same.  I think 129 is the same.  These are the first gen bolt on axle.  
you can use them on 123 if you get the ends that go in the diff.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 25, 2020 at 9:27 AM
Are you working on 124 or 123 axles? In order to use the factory tool /
parts on 123 boots, you need to destroy / remove the can, and then affix a
new can which requires a special tool to roll the edge and make a seal.
I've heard of skilled DIYers that have rolled the edge with hand tools and
gotten the job done without the special tool. There was an MB garage here
in Mt. Plastic that had the special tool, and quoted me hundreds of 
dollars

per axle to re-boot. A used axle with good boots at $25 or $50 was a much
better deal.

No idea on the 124, might be similar?
-
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Charleston SC



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Re: [MBZ] Booting the axle

2020-01-25 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Are you working on 124 or 123 axles?  In order to use the factory tool /
parts on 123 boots, you need to destroy / remove the can, and then affix a
new can which requires a special tool to roll the edge and make a seal.
I've heard of skilled DIYers that have rolled the edge with hand tools and
gotten the job done without the special tool.  There was an MB garage here
in Mt. Plastic that had the special tool, and quoted me hundreds of dollars
per axle to re-boot.  A used axle with good boots at $25 or $50 was a much
better deal.

No idea on the 124, might be similar?
-
Max
Charleston SC


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>
> I wanna look again at the parts diagram and see if there is a way to
> reboot with MB boots.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Kleb Car

2020-01-25 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It’s Floriduh, man! No rust! Just toasted interiors and paint sometimes.

-D


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> Dang it it seems to be a Mecca or decently looking cheap cars down there. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> Looks like it might be a deal:
>> 
>> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/ellenton-mercedes-e300/7062517160.html
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Re: [MBZ] Possible Kleb Car

2020-01-25 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Dang it it seems to be a Mecca or decently looking cheap cars down there. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> Looks like it might be a deal:
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Re: [MBZ] CL post of the day

2020-01-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
murder beach is in Montana?    miles look suspicious.   Sumpin doesn't 
add up.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 25, 2020 at 8:31 AM
"For Sale"

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/conway-for-sale/7062591310.html



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[MBZ] CL post of the day

2020-01-25 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

"For Sale"

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/conway-for-sale/7062591310.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Network Wiring Day!

2020-01-25 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I just stripped off that popcorn crap from the ceiling in my laundry 
room yesterday.  It scrapes off easily but it is a mess and now I have 
to do some skim coating of the old joint compound that was underneath


PITA

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On 1/25/20 8:55 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes wrote:

OK, I understand, old house. We have stripped a bunch of stills but our house 
was built in 1981 s0 n0 asbestos in the stipple. Another alternative would be a 
new layer of drywall and leave the stipple in place.RBSent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Clay via Mercedes  Date: 2020-01-25  12:38 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: 
Clay  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Network Wiring Day! Asbestos abatement to clear off the popcorn ceiling to get to the original lathe and plaster coved beauty.  Then 
there is this mess.  Half the main floor has had the popcorn removed and needs plasteringclay > On Jan 21, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:> > On 21/01/2020 3:44 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:>> Two decades ago I did a major remodel to the homestead.  Tore off the old half story and built out the full space.  We 
were out camping one weekend to allow the crew to do big things.  I return home to find an 18 inch hole in my living room ceiling.  All plastered up and stippled which does not match the 
popcorn in the room.>> >> Now that we are contemplating the sale of the house, I wish the guy big pain in the nuts for the reduction in value this has caused.>> >> 
clay>> >> > Messy job, but the answer is to strip the ceiling and paint it. Stipple has sort of gone out of fashion. However, if the ceiling is rough stipple hides a lot of 
imperfections. If that is the case, strip it and have it resprayed with stipple. If you do the strip it should not cost a lot to have someone spray it.> > RB> > > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Network Wiring Day!

2020-01-25 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
OK, I understand, old house. We have stripped a bunch of stills but our house 
was built in 1981 s0 n0 asbestos in the stipple. Another alternative would be a 
new layer of drywall and leave the stipple in place.RBSent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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 Date: 2020-01-25  12:38 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Clay  
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Network Wiring Day! Asbestos abatement to clear off the 
popcorn ceiling to get to the original lathe and plaster coved beauty.  Then 
there is this mess.  Half the main floor has had the popcorn removed and needs 
plasteringclay > On Jan 21, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:> > On 21/01/2020 3:44 PM, Clay via Mercedes 
wrote:>> Two decades ago I did a major remodel to the homestead.  Tore off the 
old half story and built out the full space.  We were out camping one weekend 
to allow the crew to do big things.  I return home to find an 18 inch hole in 
my living room ceiling.  All plastered up and stippled which does not match the 
popcorn in the room.>> >> Now that we are contemplating the sale of the house, 
I wish the guy big pain in the nuts for the reduction in value this has 
caused.>> >> clay>> >> > Messy job, but the answer is to strip the ceiling and 
paint it. Stipple has sort of gone out of fashion. However, if the ceiling is 
rough stipple hides a lot of imperfections. If that is the case, strip it and 
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Re: [MBZ] Could be a good Mog

2020-01-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Same basic engine as the Pisten Bully although ours is turbo and intercooled. 
IIRC this would be about 140HP. The PB is around 200.
Curt

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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-mercedes-benz-unimog-416/

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