date:20200218


DIng! DIng! DIng! DIng! We have a winner.   Correct analysis Randy!


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 18, 2020 at 4:47 PM
I am not a farmer but this did not make much sense to me. If those of 
you who know better think I am wrong on some of these points, please 
feel free to set me straight.


First off, how could they be a profitable farm for generations growing 
hay and alfalfa on only 24 acres? I would think a small plot like that 
needed to be a market garden or maybe an orchard.
Then they say that tomatoes and peppers will grow better with shade. 
We have pretty much given up on our little garden because the trees 
have grown bigger and we don't get enough sun. We should be good to go 
with that shade but it does not work here.


They suggest these folks are going to make money on a 5 acre plot of 
vegetables and that they are going to give the veggies away to folks 
who invest in their project to install solar panels. That does not 
sound like a successful farm. It sounds like an indirect way to cover 
farm land with solar panels and thus reduce the amount of farm land - 
not a really good thing for those of us who enjoy eating.


They also talk about using small tractors and hand picking the 
produce. That doesn't sound all that efficient to me. It may require 
importing more folks from Mexico and the fellow in the White House 
seems opposed to that unless these folks work on a golf course.


But isn't it interesting how the writer puts a spin on it so it sounds 
so idyllic? Gee, free electricity and free veggies. Do they make a 
Prius tractor yet?


RB








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Re: [MBZ] OT: Article on Solar Panels for cash-strapped farms.

First of all:   Assuming all 24 acres is arable, (very doubtful) there 
would be a house and outbuildings taking up an acre or more.   22 - 24 
acres does not make a viable farm, even in the age of horse or mule 
drawn equipment (40 acres and a mule.)  My grandfather and 
greatgrandfather managed 160 acres with 3 teams, but probably 1/4 was 
timber.   So to begin with this alfalfa crop was not enough production 
to support the family, as was implied in the article.


Second: "providing shade for crops like tomatoes, peppers, kale, and 
beans"   These are sun loving plants. Shading them will reduce 
production.  Pi$$ poor choice..   Any agronomist or horticulturalist 
would have searched out plants that need shade.   Ginseng may be a 
viable option, but they are 900 or 1000 miles from the market in the 
USA.  For the minimal production under 5 acres with some unknown 
percentage of coverage, that small amount of ginseng might be able to be 
sold in the local east range market, if sufficient resources were spent 
to develop a new market.   The solar panel racks would make ideal 
structure to hang shadecloth from for the ginseng.


Third:   Tomato harvesters have been around for 40 years.  Small 
combines have been built for more than 50 years by universal harvester, 
Almaco and others.  (but it would still have to be a very high value 
crop to justify the expense of a combine and harvesting.)  The small 
combines are made for seed companies who get $100 a bushel and more for 
their crop.


fourth:  The only way to make this anything but a hobby farm is 
production of high value crops:  Fruits and vegetables for the local 
restaurant market, but this is Horticulture:  By definition LABOR 
INTENSIVE.   So unless the family intends to quit their jobs and go 
without health insurance, it ain't gonna happen on a scale sufficient to 
support a family


Fifth:   My guess is that this guy is very well connected politically, 
and has greased the skids for taxpayer money to fund this.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 18, 2020 at 4:17 PM
This is a long article so I am providing only a link. It's amazing the
synergy between some - but not all - farms and money-making solar panels.

https://grist.org/food/cash-strapped-farms-are-growing-a-new-crop-solar-panels/?utm_campaign=Rockies%20Today&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Revue%20newsletter


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Re: [MBZ] I might have to pursue this one

2020-02-18 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Yep. 

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> On Feb 18, 2020, at 6:49 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Kaleb wrote:
> 
>> About an hour ago I checked into the Embassy Suites here in
>> Little Rock. A few minutes later I get an alert that I won the
>> auction. CRAP. Why could that have not happened yesterday so I
>> could have brought the trailer. I guess now this broke glow plug
>> is my problem. The car does appear to be nice though. I guess
>> I’m going to have to make another trip.  Very inconvenient
> 
> Shoulda dragged the trailer along just in case!
> 
> If you had, though, you would have gotten notice just after
> getting home again...
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Re: [MBZ] I might have to pursue this one

2020-02-18 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Kaleb wrote:

> About an hour ago I checked into the Embassy Suites here in
> Little Rock. A few minutes later I get an alert that I won the
> auction. CRAP. Why could that have not happened yesterday so I
> could have brought the trailer. I guess now this broke glow plug
> is my problem. The car does appear to be nice though. I guess
> I’m going to have to make another trip.  Very inconvenient

Shoulda dragged the trailer along just in case!

If you had, though, you would have gotten notice just after
getting home again...

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Re: [MBZ] Quiet day on the list

2020-02-18 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 16:12:53 -0600 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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> Well, this one was #68 so I am a bit beyond 39.

39 and some months ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Article on Solar Panels for cash-strapped farms.

To make it into a community (co-op) farm I could see it. I know little to 
nothing about growing vegetables, so how viable it is for what they propose is 
beyond me. It is Colorado, so it’s quite sunny most of the year. Maybe that’s 
how they get around the shade issue? Lots more sun, even indirectly?

We have a big co-op farm south of me in Wimauma, which is a huge tomato and 
cucumber growing area. So large they have packing plants located there to 
handle the harvest. You pay $5/year to belong, and twice a month for $20 you 
get a big basket’s worth of locally grown produce that’s based on seasonal 
availability. I’ve done it a couple of times, but it’s too much for us and a 
lot of it gets wasted. It’s a good idea, and I see a lot of people who are 
clearly feeding large families that are probably doing well with it as compared 
to buying the stuff at the local grocery store.

Our local electric utility (TECO) is trying to build a big “solar farm” in a 
rural county to the north of us. The locals want no part of it. I don’t 
understand, as they complain that it will ruin the “look” of the area. Right 
now it’s a huge open pasture. Not sure why covering it with solar panels would 
make a difference.

Oh - and to give you an idea of how messed up our solar stuff is in Florida due 
to the legislators being in the pockets of the utilities - you can pay extra to 
buy power produced from solar if you want to be “green".

-D

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 7:00 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Randy wrote:
> 
>> First off, how could they be a profitable farm for generations
>> growing hay and alfalfa on only 24 acres?
> 
> Profitable?  Maybe.  Make a living - no.  Alfalfa has a good
> market for those with horses, but not _that_ good so far as I can
> tell.
> 
>> Then they say that tomatoes and peppers will grow better with
>> shade.
> 
> There are plants that do best with open shade.  None of the
> tomatoes that I know of will.  I don't know about peppers, but
> they are the same plant family...
> 
>> They suggest these folks are going to make money on a 5 acre...
> 
>> They also talk about using small tractors and hand picking the
>> produce. That doesn't sound all that efficient to me.
> 
> It is the best way to get top quality product.  And with only 5
> acres it's possible.  But it is not efficient.
> 
>> Do they make a Prius tractor yet?
> 
> Yes!  And the front wheels are extra small so it is going downhill
> all the time!  It makes the battery last longer!!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Article on Solar Panels for cash-strapped farms.

2020-02-18 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Randy wrote:

> First off, how could they be a profitable farm for generations
> growing hay and alfalfa on only 24 acres?

Profitable?  Maybe.  Make a living - no.  Alfalfa has a good
market for those with horses, but not _that_ good so far as I can
tell.

> Then they say that tomatoes and peppers will grow better with
> shade.

There are plants that do best with open shade.  None of the
tomatoes that I know of will.  I don't know about peppers, but
they are the same plant family...

> They suggest these folks are going to make money on a 5 acre...

> They also talk about using small tractors and hand picking the
> produce. That doesn't sound all that efficient to me.

It is the best way to get top quality product.  And with only 5
acres it's possible.  But it is not efficient.

> Do they make a Prius tractor yet?

Yes!  And the front wheels are extra small so it is going downhill
all the time!  It makes the battery last longer!!

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Re: [MBZ] I might have to pursue this one

2020-02-18 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Auction ended yesterday with me on top at $675. I then received a counter offer 
for $1025 or whatever it was. I simply clicked stay at my bid. Fast forward to 
today. I drove to Little Rock for my work trip and stopped along the way to 
look at the car. It was cold and sprinkling and I found the car. It was 
basically parked with a huge mud hole around it but I was able to get in and 
look interior is very clean except the drivers seat has a couple of tears in 
the leather. This is the first time I have seen these sort of seats in person. 
Evidentially this style has Tex on the sides with leather in the middle. Data 
card calls it Tex leather. All of the parts including head, turbo etc are in 
the trunk. All of the bolts and screws are in ziplock bags and labeled. Head 
looks good and crack free. Has all new glows plugs in all but #1 which has an 
easy out sticking out of it. So we figured out the problem. I don’t know if the 
easy out is stuck or not. I thought with the head off a broke off plug is easy 
to remove. Maybe not. I could not get the hood open. It felt like it was popped 
but would not release. Since the photos show the under hood it has to open 
somehow. I wanted to see what the cylinders looked like. 

About an hour ago I checked into the Embassy Suites here in Little Rock. A few 
minutes later I get an alert that I won the auction. CRAP. Why could that have 
not happened yesterday so I could have brought the trailer. I guess now this 
broke glow plug is my problem. The car does appear to be nice though. I guess 
I’m going to have to make another trip.  Very inconvenient

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> I got this fairly decent 184kmi E300 I picked up for $500, cranks but won’t 
> start, I think it’s that relay which I can pull off the one I smashed. 
> Haven’t been to the smashed car yet to get it. I hate the color and this E320 
> is running pretty well so I might flip it fast, maybe sell the E320 too and 
> get something newer like a 211 wagon although they are probably more of a 
> PITA to deal with. Or get this ML500 sorted and just drive that. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well auction just ended. I got caught up in bidding and went WAY too high. 
>> Ended at $675 with me on top. After fees will be $9xx.  It’s pending seller 
>> approval. Only reason I bid was I’m going to Little Rock tomorrow for work 
>> so can pick it up and haul it back while there. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2020, at 9:57 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 80k miles and the head is off?
>>> 
>>> https://www.copart.com/lot/29462430
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Article on Solar Panels for cash-strapped farms.

Unfortunately, the thing we liked the most were fresh tomatoes and they 
don't grow well in the shade. We have mostly given up and buy our fresh 
veggies from the local market garden when they are in season. We are 
also fortunate to have good neighbors who have a larger garden on some 
land out of the city that belongs to her brother. They are quite 
generous with vegetables too.


RB

On 18/02/2020 5:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I don't know about solar panels and farms, seems like you could have 
one or the other but not both on the same plot, but here are some 
suggestions of veggies to grow in more shaded areas


https://www.ruralsprout.com/shade-vegetables

--FT




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Article on Solar Panels for cash-strapped farms.

I don't know about solar panels and farms, seems like you could have one
or the other but not both on the same plot, but here are some
suggestions of veggies to grow in more shaded areas

https://www.ruralsprout.com/shade-vegetables

--FT

26 Vegetables To Grow In The Shade

On 2/18/20 5:47 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
I am not a farmer but this did not make much sense to me. If those of
you who know better think I am wrong on some of these points, please
feel free to set me straight.

First off, how could they be a profitable farm for generations growing
hay and alfalfa on only 24 acres? I would think a small plot like that
needed to be a market garden or maybe an orchard.
Then they say that tomatoes and peppers will grow better with shade.
We have pretty much given up on our little garden because the trees
have grown bigger and we don't get enough sun. We should be good to go
with that shade but it does not work here.

They suggest these folks are going to make money on a 5 acre plot of
vegetables and that they are going to give the veggies away to folks
who invest in their project to install solar panels. That does not
sound like a successful farm. It sounds like an indirect way to cover
farm land with solar panels and thus reduce the amount of farm land -
not a really good thing for those of us who enjoy eating.

They also talk about using small tractors and hand picking the
produce. That doesn't sound all that efficient to me. It may require
importing more folks from Mexico and the fellow in the White House
seems opposed to that unless these folks work on a golf course.

But isn't it interesting how the writer puts a spin on it so it sounds
so idyllic? Gee, free electricity and free veggies. Do they make a
Prius tractor yet?

On 18/02/2020 4:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

This is a long article so I am providing only a link. It's amazing the
synergy between some - but not all - farms and money-making solar
panels.

https://grist.org/food/cash-strapped-farms-are-growing-a-new-crop-solar-panels/?utm_campaign=Rockies%20Today&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Revue%20newsletter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Article on Solar Panels for cash-strapped farms.

I am not a farmer but this did not make much sense to me. If those of
you who know better think I am wrong on some of these points, please
feel free to set me straight.

First off, how could they be a profitable farm for generations growing
hay and alfalfa on only 24 acres? I would think a small plot like that
needed to be a market garden or maybe an orchard.
Then they say that tomatoes and peppers will grow better with shade. We
have pretty much given up on our little garden because the trees have
grown bigger and we don't get enough sun. We should be good to go with
that shade but it does not work here.

They suggest these folks are going to make money on a 5 acre plot of
vegetables and that they are going to give the veggies away to folks who
invest in their project to install solar panels. That does not sound
like a successful farm. It sounds like an indirect way to cover farm
land with solar panels and thus reduce the amount of farm land - not a
really good thing for those of us who enjoy eating.

They also talk about using small tractors and hand picking the produce.
That doesn't sound all that efficient to me. It may require importing
more folks from Mexico and the fellow in the White House seems opposed
to that unless these folks work on a golf course.

But isn't it interesting how the writer puts a spin on it so it sounds
so idyllic? Gee, free electricity and free veggies. Do they make a Prius
tractor yet?

On 18/02/2020 4:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

This is a long article so I am providing only a link. It's amazing the
synergy between some - but not all - farms and money-making solar panels.

https://grist.org/food/cash-strapped-farms-are-growing-a-new-crop-solar-panels/?utm_campaign=Rockies%20Today&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Revue%20newsletter
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[MBZ] OT: Article on Solar Panels for cash-strapped farms.

This is a long article so I am providing only a link.  It's amazing the
synergy between some - but not all - farms and money-making solar panels.

https://grist.org/food/cash-strapped-farms-are-growing-a-new-crop-solar-panels/?utm_campaign=Rockies%20Today&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Revue%20newsletter
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Re: [MBZ] Quiet day on the list

But your Mercedes is WAY younger...

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> Well, this one was #68 so I am a bit beyond 39.
>
> RB
>
> On 18/02/2020 4:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yes, Happy 39th birthday! (jack Benny reference)
> >
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Well, this one was #68 so I am a bit beyond 39.

RB

On 18/02/2020 4:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, Happy 39th birthday! (jack Benny reference)





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Yes, Happy 39th birthday! (jack Benny reference)



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Re: [MBZ] Quiet day on the list


I do, but I won't.   The maytags are still great.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
February 18, 2020 at 3:30 PM
We are reduced to talking about washing machines.

Anyone got a spare MB tri-star emblem that they can install on their 
washer and then post a photo of so that we can remain sort of on topic?


RB



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OT:  Happy Birthday Randy

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> We are reduced to talking about washing machines.
>
> Anyone got a spare MB tri-star emblem that they can install on their
> washer and then post a photo of so that we can remain sort of on topic?
>
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We are reduced to talking about washing machines.

Anyone got a spare MB tri-star emblem that they can install on their 
washer and then post a photo of so that we can remain sort of on topic?


RB


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Re: [MBZ] OT front loading washing machine bearings

Did you look online for information on the make and model? With ours, it 
was easy to find out how to open the top. On it, there are 2 clips on 
the front between the top and the front panel. Pushing in with a putty 
knife releases the clips and then one can pivot the top upwards out of 
the way and access screws that hold the front panel onto the side 
panels. Remove one screw on each side at the top and the front panel 
then tilts out and can be removed. That opens up the washer to the point 
where most of it is accessible.


I had an old friend, who has since passed on at the age of 93, who was 
quite proud of the fact that they were still using a dryer that they had 
purchased in the 40's. He had replaced bits of it a number of times and 
retrofitted newer parts to take the place of items no longer available. 
It had become a challenge for him to keep it going as long as he could. 
I believe it outlived him.


One of the concerns with longevity of our washer is that it is rusting 
in the bottom. I was not going to mess around with paint so I sprayed 
Boeshield B9 (I think that is the name of the stuff) on the rusty spots 
in the bottom in an effort to slow down the rusting. I have used it on 
things in the garage and it seems to work well. That is good as the 
stuff is expensive.


RB

On 18/02/2020 3:08 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
I am painting and putting new tile down in my laundry room so I have 
been moving the W/D around.  The washer cabinet has come undone from 
the top, which appears to have all the guts bolted to it somehow.  The 
big sheet metal screws that hold the cabinet to the top, screwed in 
from underneath, are all rusted out where they screw into the top.  
This washer (sears) is probably at least 20yo, maybe older, I don't 
recall when I bought it, might have been when we moved to Houston or 
maybe we brought it there from the old house so it could be going on 
30yo.  Rather than fooling with it (and I am not even sure of how I 
would screw something inside the cabinet like that) I think I am just 
going to use some metal plates like for joining wood rafters and 
joists and what not and screw the top to the sides and be done with 
it.  I have some in the garage  I don't care what it looks like as 
long as it washes clothes.  Probably will get me another 20 years from 
the thing.





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Re: [MBZ] OT front loading washing machine bearings

I am painting and putting new tile down in my laundry room so I have 
been moving the W/D around.  The washer cabinet has come undone from the 
top, which appears to have all the guts bolted to it somehow.  The big 
sheet metal screws that hold the cabinet to the top, screwed in from 
underneath, are all rusted out where they screw into the top.  This 
washer (sears) is probably at least 20yo, maybe older, I don't recall 
when I bought it, might have been when we moved to Houston or maybe we 
brought it there from the old house so it could be going on 30yo.  
Rather than fooling with it (and I am not even sure of how I would screw 
something inside the cabinet like that) I think I am just going to use 
some metal plates like for joining wood rafters and joists and what not 
and screw the top to the sides and be done with it.  I have some in the 
garage  I don't care what it looks like as long as it washes clothes.  
Probably will get me another 20 years from the thing.


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Re: [MBZ] OT front loading washing machine bearings

We had a somewhat similar issue with a Maytag top loading washer 
recently. It was becoming unglued on the spin cycle too. It vibrated a 
lot which caused the control panel to vibrate against the top of the 
washer which created a lot of noise. I kept saying I would have a look 
at it and she kept saying she just wanted to buy a new washer.  I had a 
look online and the best suggestion seemed to be that 6 springs that go 
between the base and the drum around the tub become weak over time. The 
cost was pretty reasonable so I got a set and installed them. That 
reduced the vibration substantially. We don't recall what it was like 
when new but it appears to be much improved and much quieter so she is 
happy once again. The control panel housing still rattled against the 
top of the washer and there did not appear to means to tighten it so I 
cut some pieces of fairly soft plastic out of something from the 
recycling bin and pushed them into the crack between the top and the 
housing and that solved the problem. I think a bead of silicon would 
have worked fine but she was concerned that it would be hard to keep 
clean so I looked for another alternative.


I can say that changing out the springs was a miserable job. The 3 in 
front were not bad but the 3 in the back were hardly possible so I cut a 
good sized hole in the back of the cabinet and worked on it from behind. 
An air nibbler made short work of cutting a neat hole. I did not bother 
to put the piece back in. It cannot be seen on the back and the cabinet 
did not appear to be weakened.


I had difficulty stretching the new springs into position. They used to 
sell a tool for doing the job but it is not longer available. I ended up 
using a set of long vice grips and a set of small vice grips plus a 
block of 6 X 6 about 6 inches high. The long vice grips would not grip 
the spring wire hard enough not to slip so I put the small set of vice 
grips on the wire and then used the long ones under the little ones and 
pried the spring up using the block of wood as the fulcrum. It took me 
most of a week working for a bit every night. I took it apart on Sunday 
evening and removed the old springs on Monday evening. I was busy 
Tuesday evening and did not work on it. Wednesday night I cut the hole 
in the back and fought with it. Thursday we got the set of long vice 
grips because I did not have enough leverage to get the springs on 
further into the cabinet where it was more difficult to reach while 
laying on the floor behind the washer. Thursday night I got the 3 back 
springs on. Then I got interrupted  when my son in Ottawa called to wish 
me a happy birthday and gave up for the night. Friday night I got the 3 
front springs on and put the cabinet back together. Saturday, I opened 
up the dryer and cleaned the lint out of it. Then we hooked both the 
washer and dryer back up and ran them and all was well. Not really my 
idea of fun. I am happy that I did not become an appliance repairman but 
I was happy to repair the thing so that it will work for a while longer.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5

Pretty color, more commonly seen in the W111 coupe of similar vintage (I
owned two in champagne).  Might be worth $12k.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:12 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> wow.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/884248342007840/
>
> 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5
> Barnesville, GA· about a day ago
> <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/884248342007840/?ref=product_details>·
>
>
> $18,000
>
>   * About This Vehicle
>
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Driven 63,000 miles
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Automatic transmission
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Exterior color: Gold · Interior color: Tan
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Excellent condition
> 
>
> Seller's Description
>
> Immaculate condition Still original Run and drive perfectly
>
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Re: [MBZ] Just needs to replace the timing change

I bet a lot of these malaprops are a result of dictation and failure to
proofread.

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> 2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D
> Emporia, VA· 22 hours ago
> <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/200685317714692/?ref=product_details>·
>
>
> $1,500
>
>   * About This Vehicle
>   *
>
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Driven 200,000 miles
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Automatic transmission
>   *
>   o
>
>   o Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Tan
>   *
>   o
>
>   o 17.0 MPG city · 25.0 MPG highway · 20.0 MPG combined
>
> Seller's Description
>
> Clean car fully loaded no dents or bad paint! Just needs to replace the
> timing change
>
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Re: [MBZ] Injector Black Death [was: Re: I leave town and people get a brilliant idea to buy the kid a car while I am gone]

M642, I think.

There’s a forked shaped clamp that holds the injector in place, with a copper 
crush washer at the nozzle that seals (or tries to) against combustion gasses. 
A couple of issues with this design:

The bolt that holds the forked clamp is small and tends to stretch over time as 
it ages. That means the pressure on the injector decreases, allowing combustion 
gasses to leak past the crush ring. The injector is long, maybe 6”- 8”, and has 
a correspondingly long bore through the head. These escaping gasses move out of 
the bore, cooling as they go, eventually allowing the condensed fuel and gasses 
to bubble up around the injector and puddle in the “valley” on top of the head, 
where they harden into a solid mass of nastiness. Black Death, as it’s known.

The bolts and the bores they go into in the head are weak. That is, the bore 
for the bolt ends just above the water jacket in the head. If you don’t make 
sure there’s absolutely NOTHING in the bore before you thread one of the clamp 
bolts in, the bolt will build up pressure in the bore with any fluid in it and 
literally punch a hole through into the water jacket. This appears to be very 
common. If it occurs, you can end up having leaks from the water jacket around 
the bolt.

The design is not bad, just sort of half-assed if you ask me.

Replacing a sealing ring can be tricky. You have to cut a new seat fo the ring 
inside the injector bore, as the escaping gasses will erode the seat. If you 
just pop a new sealing ring in place and call it a day you’ll have leaks right 
out of the gate, guaranteed.

The torque on the bolts is infinitesimally small. 7 inch pounds, if I recall 
correctly. There’s also a tightening sequence, as they are stretch bolts. You 
hit the prescribed torque, then tighten a half turn in quarter turn increments. 
This is one of the scariest things I’ve ever done on a car, as you’re just 
waiting for the bolt to break off. And they do. Most people are doing a quarter 
turn and that’s all. I don’t blame them.

It’s a sad situation, as these are really great engines/cars from what little 
exposure I’ve had to them. Sort of the pinnacle of late 90s engineering and 
design. As I mentioned previously, they’re really easy to work on like a W210 
and the chassis is pretty robust in the same sense. I would seriously consider 
owning one myself if I could find one that was solid and had been properly 
maintained.

-D

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 11:12 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I gather: rather than being screwed into the prechamber ring as on prior OM 
> engines, these injector nozzle holders are held in place with a single clamp 
> bolt?   What model number engines are afflicted by this?
> 
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> February 18, 2020 at 9:31 AM
>> 
>> The injector seals start weeping combustion gases, and the injectors become 
>> ever more seized in place by carbon deposits. The longer it is neglected, 
>> the more difficult it is to remove them v
>> 
>> It is a great negotiating point, if has just started and is not too far gone.
>> 
>> Other than that, and maybe a few other things, these are probably the best 
>> cars MB ever produced.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
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[MBZ] 250 Project on BAT

Looks clean.  Selling at NR.  I predict $3500.

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Re: [MBZ] STOP ME!!!


Why?  for $200 you can fill another parking place!


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Injector Black Death [was: Re: I leave town and people get a brilliant idea to buy the kid a car while I am gone]

I gather: rather than being screwed into the prechamber ring as on prior 
OM engines, these injector nozzle holders are held in place with a 
single clamp bolt?   What model number engines are afflicted by this?



Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
February 18, 2020 at 9:31 AM

The injector seals start weeping combustion gases, and the injectors 
become ever more seized in place by carbon deposits. The longer it is 
neglected, the more difficult it is to remove them v


It is a great negotiating point, if has just started and is not too 
far gone.


Other than that, and maybe a few other things, these are probably the 
best cars MB ever produced.


Rick



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[MBZ] 1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5


wow.

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1972 Mercedes-Benz 280 SEL 4.5
Barnesville, GA· about a day ago 
· 


$18,000

 * About This Vehicle

 *
 o

 o Driven 63,000 miles
 *
 o

 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Gold · Interior color: Tan
 *
 o

 o Excellent condition
   

Seller's Description

Immaculate condition Still original Run and drive perfectly

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Re: [MBZ] STOP ME!!!

2020-02-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes


OK IT WORKED

--FT

On 2/18/20 10:54 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

What a mess. Why would you even consider this unless you need some parts off of 
it?

-D


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 wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/235610501175072/

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Re: [MBZ] STOP ME!!!

What a mess. Why would you even consider this unless you need some parts off of 
it?

-D

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/235610501175072/
> 
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[MBZ] 2007 Mercedes Benz Sb5 with b12 twin turbo


2007 391196981458827 Sb5
Mt Pleasant, SC· 5 days ago 
· 


$29,000

 * About This Vehicle

 *
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 o Driven 76,500 miles
 *
 o

 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Grey
 *
 o

 o Excellent condition
   

Seller's Description

b12 twin turbo 76,500 miles all maintenance utd new brakes 2000 miles ago

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[MBZ] Just needs to replace the timing change


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2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D
Emporia, VA· 22 hours ago 
· 


$1,500

 * About This Vehicle
 *

 *
 o

 o Driven 200,000 miles
 *
 o

 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Black · Interior color: Tan
 *
 o

 o 17.0 MPG city · 25.0 MPG highway · 20.0 MPG combined

Seller's Description

Clean car fully loaded no dents or bad paint! Just needs to replace the 
timing change


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[MBZ] #Attention #DeeVoSaid: I am the KING of Mercedes Benz


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King of Benz
Atlanta, GA· 11 hours ago 
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$1,800

#Attention #DeeVoSaid: I am the KING of Mercedes Benz. They Start around 
$1800.00 down and go up from there. NO CREDIT CHECK LUXURY IS HERE! Call 
[hidden information] 24 hours a day for INSTANT APPROVAL!! ALL YOU NEED 
IS: 1. Proof of income 📑📑 2. Proof of residence 💒💒 3. Valid GA 
Drivers License 💳💳 4. Drive off same day 🚘 #DaCarPlug 🔌🔌 
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[MBZ] The elusive SE20 crackmobile


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1995 Mercedes-Benz SE20
Sumter, SC· 16 hours ago 
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$65,000

 * About This Vehicle

 *
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 o Driven 120,000 miles
 *
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 o Automatic transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Silver
 *
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 o Excellent condition
   

Seller's Description

Excellent condition with 120,000 original miles.

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[MBZ] STOP ME!!!


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/235610501175072/

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Re: [MBZ] Injector Black Death [was: Re: I leave town and people get a brilliant idea to buy the kid a car while I am gone]

Yeah, it’s a really great car in a lot of respects, as it seems to bridge the 
reliability and ease of service from the W210s to the complexity and difficulty 
of service of later models.

While this particular car is a little “tired”, so to speak, it’s still got some 
miles left in it if properly cared for.

-D

> On Feb 18, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>>> What causes the Injector Black Death thing?
> 
> The injector seals start weeping combustion gases, and the injectors become 
> ever more seized in place by carbon deposits. The longer it is neglected, the 
> more difficult it is to remove them v
> 
> It is a great negotiating point, if has just started and is not too far gone. 
> 
> Other than that, and maybe a few other things, these are probably the best 
> cars MB ever produced. 
> 
> Rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Injector Black Death [was: Re: I leave town and people get a brilliant idea to buy the kid a car while I am gone]

2020-02-18 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

>> What causes the Injector Black Death thing?

The injector seals start weeping combustion gases, and the injectors become 
ever more seized in place by carbon deposits. The longer it is neglected, the 
more difficult it is to remove them v

It is a great negotiating point, if has just started and is not too far gone. 

Other than that, and maybe a few other things, these are probably the best cars 
MB ever produced. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Injector Black Death [was: Re: I leave town and people get a brilliant idea to buy the kid a car while I am gone]