Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My grown son just called from LA and threatened to move to MD to make sure
I did not expose myself to crowds, since I am in the vulnerable age
bracket.  He also shared this sobering article about asymptomatic spreading
of the virus.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/health/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread/index.html


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:15 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> No problem
>
> --FT
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> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 11:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mind if I share this, if I don't attribute it to anyone specifically?
> I'll x out education and work stats.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] fan temp sensor W124 OM602

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 10:57 PM:

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 22:23:35 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


So if the fans come on at higher resistance, the would seem that the
resistance should get higher as the temp gets warmer.   Instead, the
resistance gets lower as the temp gets higher.

I am so far, not convinced that the sensor is good or is bad.   It is
still suspect because I don't know what the specs are for its
performance.

To what does the sensor connect?
In the text:  One wire is at 5v. (From terminal 8 of the ACC PBU.)   The 
other goes to ground. via ACC air delivery (whatever that is)


Is there a module which could be malfunctioning?

Yes.   ACC pushbutton, ACC Air delivery (whatever that is)

I read on a PP forum that unplugging a relay and pluggin it in cured a 
problem (Seat adjustment not working, both front seats)   Maybe it is 
not unusual tha tpulling the relay and putting it back in cured the problem.


Craig





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Re: [MBZ] fan temp sensor W124 OM602

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 22:23:35 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So if the fans come on at higher resistance, the would seem that the 
> resistance should get higher as the temp gets warmer.   Instead, the 
> resistance gets lower as the temp gets higher.
> 
> I am so far, not convinced that the sensor is good or is bad.   It is 
> still suspect because I don't know what the specs are for its
> performance.

To what does the sensor connect?

Is there a module which could be malfunctioning?


Craig

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[MBZ] fan temp sensor W124 OM602

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

with cold engine, the fan temp sensor at the top front of the head has 
5,000 ohm resistance.   At 80 to 82ºC coolant temp, it is 600 ohms.


One wire is at 5v. (From terminal 8 of the ACC PBU.)   The other goes to 
ground. via ACC air delivery (whatever that is)



At infinity ohms (plug unhooked,) the fans will come on with the key on.

So if the fans come on at higher resistance, the would seem that the 
resistance should get higher as the temp gets warmer.   Instead, the 
resistance gets lower as the temp gets higher.


I am so far, not convinced that the sensor is good or is bad.   It is 
still suspect because I don't know what the specs are for its performance.



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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

No problem 

--FT
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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 11:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mind if I share this, if I don't attribute it to anyone specifically? I'll x 
out education and work stats. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

hm  maybe that is why your Klima guys don't sell one?   Or is that 
not the original number for the 87?


If that number supercedes the original part in 85-9x models, then it 
likely is the 134a condensor, while the originals may not have been. 
I'll try to look at both cars side by side to see if the condensors look 
the same.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 7:13 PM:

The 1991 uses a condensor 124 830 16 70

I looked at a facelift gasser W124 and it uses the same one, so it appears 
they’re using the same condensor across the board no matter what. Hard to say 
it’s a parallel flow without seeing it, but I would guess it probably is.

They’re cheap as wine - a Nissens is $131.00 and a Behr is $95.00 both at FCP 
Euro.

Hope that helps.

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Floyd,
You raised  a good Dr boy. I think his,advice squares with the best
research & policy i have read. Tinker one of those $500 MB's in the interim.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 10:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am not one to get too exercised about this Covid thing but that might
> have changed.
>
> Dr. Boy (Villanova, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Brown U
> resident Internal Medicine, currently Stanford U Fellow in Pulmonary
> Critical Care) called me a little while ago to check in on my situation. He
> is pretty low key but no bullsh*t. Tells it straight. And he’s pretty smart
> if I do say so...
>
> They have several covid patients at the hospital now. They are preparing
> for an onslaught of more patients the next week or two. Turning ORs and
> other spaces into ICUs right now.  The expectation is that his hospital, as
> well as every other hospital, will be completely overwhelmed before long.
>
> Apparently this is now happening in Italy and is rolling into other EU
> countries though that has not been widely reported. It’s bad. No one
> believes what China are reporting though their draconian measures to
> contain the contagion *might* have helped lower the fatalities. The view is
> that it is really bad there and will likely be so in other places.
>
> The limiting factor will be ventilators to deal with respiratory failure
> or compromise. If (and this could be a big if) you get to the hospital, and
> if they have room, and there are no ventilators and you need one you will
> be SOL. Reality as there is a limited supply of these things and it is not
> large.
>
> He strongly suggested, even though I am quite healthy, that I severely
> limit my interaction with the world.  Even being healthy the chances of
> catching this and having adverse effects are not trivial given the expected
> infection rate and effects.  I am situated as to where that would not be
> too difficult to do, save some occasional trips to the grocery and Lowe’s
> and such. I’m working on my house, getting it ready to sell, so can just
> focus on that rather than social intercourse.
>
> I am digesting this but strongly considering revising my view on all this
> given I absolutely trust the boy, and this is the first time he has been
> this serious about something.
>
> As always, YMMV...
>
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[MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I am not one to get too exercised about this Covid thing but that might have 
changed. 

Dr. Boy (Villanova, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Brown U resident 
Internal Medicine, currently Stanford U Fellow in Pulmonary Critical Care) 
called me a little while ago to check in on my situation. He is pretty low key 
but no bullsh*t. Tells it straight. And he’s pretty smart if I do say so...

They have several covid patients at the hospital now. They are preparing for an 
onslaught of more patients the next week or two. Turning ORs and other spaces 
into ICUs right now.  The expectation is that his hospital, as well as every 
other hospital, will be completely overwhelmed before long. 

Apparently this is now happening in Italy and is rolling into other EU 
countries though that has not been widely reported. It’s bad. No one believes 
what China are reporting though their draconian measures to contain the 
contagion *might* have helped lower the fatalities. The view is that it is 
really bad there and will likely be so in other places. 

The limiting factor will be ventilators to deal with respiratory failure or 
compromise. If (and this could be a big if) you get to the hospital, and if 
they have room, and there are no ventilators and you need one you will be SOL. 
Reality as there is a limited supply of these things and it is not large. 

He strongly suggested, even though I am quite healthy, that I severely limit my 
interaction with the world.  Even being healthy the chances of catching this 
and having adverse effects are not trivial given the expected infection rate 
and effects.  I am situated as to where that would not be too difficult to do, 
save some occasional trips to the grocery and Lowe’s and such. I’m working on 
my house, getting it ready to sell, so can just focus on that rather than 
social intercourse. 

I am digesting this but strongly considering revising my view on all this given 
I absolutely trust the boy, and this is the first time he has been this serious 
about something.

As always, YMMV...

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes we put ours in mostly for AC but it heats to 30F. Our church just put
two units in the vicarage that heat  down to 4F which is what you might
want in Maine

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 8:32 PM Dimitri Seretakis 
wrote:

> I’m thinking about mini splits for my garage.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:43 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,  putting in mini splits was,best thing we did in our house. Ours
> are
> > Fujitsu. Do you know how many BTU's? I can look up specs & price for
> ours.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 5:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB
> >> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a
> >> set of precharged lines for $650.
> >>
> >> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I may just have my AC guys do the whole thing. I’ll see what they want for it, 
as they’ve treated me well in the past, and I’ve been a very good customer for 
them for probably 20+ years…

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I put my units in, all the install, hooked up everything then called my AC 
> guy to pull the vacuum, check for leaks, and do the charging. Gives me the 
> warranty. Nothing exotic, easy to do. 
> 
> A cheap unit for garage is probably reasonable. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 8:34 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan,  
>> That is a good price but you can get a similar new unit from several online 
>> sources for a couple hundred more.
>> I installed a 9K BTU system (1 ton is 12K BTU) in my outbuilding a couple 
>> years ago and have been happy with it.  Mine was brand name "Pioneer" bought 
>> from https://www.highseer.com/ .  The details of my outdoor unit appear 
>> identical to a Mitsubishi unit so suspect it (and many other brands) is just 
>> a relabeled version of a big name Asian product.  
>> Install is not hard, especially if you mount the outdoor unit on the ground 
>> and you have a concrete block or standard 16 or 24 inch stud wall (neither 
>> the case where I had to install mine).
>> These come in 110v and 220v so consider the available power at your location.
>> There are high efficiency units with one orifice and one electronic 
>> expansion valve and higher efficiency units with two expansion valves (like 
>> 18 vs 22 SEER).  Heating efficiency doesn't vary much.
>> Unlike a standard AC/heat pump, getting a unit that is "too big" is less of 
>> a problem because the compressor and blower will run slower to match lower 
>> heating/cooling needs.
>> You will probably need to trim (shorten) the refrigerant line set and you'll 
>> want a good flare tool for this; cheapie tools will leak.  Mine came with a 
>> tiny tune of stuff (sealant) to put on the flare connections and mine never 
>> leaked at those connections.
>> You can get prefab plastic cover kits for the exposed outside refrigerant 
>> lines, wires and condensate drain.  Worthwhile IMO for UV protection if 
>> nothing else.
>> Once everything is connected it's best to run a leak test with dry nitrogen 
>> but that requires a N2 bottle and regulator plus hose.  Then you'll need a 
>> vacuum pump to suck out the air/N2 and water vapor before releasing the 
>> refrigerant (that's stored in the outdoor unit) into the system.  You may 
>> need to add/remove refrigerant if your lines are much shorter or longer than 
>> standard.  By the way, these things come with a 5/16 in (not 1/4) service 
>> fitting.
>> Only at this point (installed, charged, and powered) will you know if it 
>> actually works or not.  That's why I think warranty is important.  Some 
>> systems must be installed by a licensed HVAC person for the warranty to be 
>> valid.  IMO, it's worth hiring a local HVAC guy to make final connections 
>> and do startup unless you happen to have all the required tools.
>> Unlike normal split AC/heat pumps, in a mini-split both the liquid (small) 
>> and vapor (big) lines must be insulated.  All the expansion valves (and 
>> other controls) are in the outdoor unit.  Unlike a standard split AC system, 
>> the pressure is the same in both (liquid and vapor) lines because the 
>> expansion valve is in the outdoor unit.  Same during heat cycle.
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 5:57 PM
>> To: Mercedes List 
>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split
>> 
>> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB 
>> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a set 
>> of precharged lines for $650.
>> 
>> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I put my units in, all the install, hooked up everything then called my AC guy 
to pull the vacuum, check for leaks, and do the charging. Gives me the 
warranty. Nothing exotic, easy to do. 

A cheap unit for garage is probably reasonable. 

--FT
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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 8:34 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan,  
> That is a good price but you can get a similar new unit from several online 
> sources for a couple hundred more.
> I installed a 9K BTU system (1 ton is 12K BTU) in my outbuilding a couple 
> years ago and have been happy with it.  Mine was brand name "Pioneer" bought 
> from https://www.highseer.com/ .  The details of my outdoor unit appear 
> identical to a Mitsubishi unit so suspect it (and many other brands) is just 
> a relabeled version of a big name Asian product.  
> Install is not hard, especially if you mount the outdoor unit on the ground 
> and you have a concrete block or standard 16 or 24 inch stud wall (neither 
> the case where I had to install mine).
> These come in 110v and 220v so consider the available power at your location.
> There are high efficiency units with one orifice and one electronic expansion 
> valve and higher efficiency units with two expansion valves (like 18 vs 22 
> SEER).  Heating efficiency doesn't vary much.
> Unlike a standard AC/heat pump, getting a unit that is "too big" is less of a 
> problem because the compressor and blower will run slower to match lower 
> heating/cooling needs.
> You will probably need to trim (shorten) the refrigerant line set and you'll 
> want a good flare tool for this; cheapie tools will leak.  Mine came with a 
> tiny tune of stuff (sealant) to put on the flare connections and mine never 
> leaked at those connections.
> You can get prefab plastic cover kits for the exposed outside refrigerant 
> lines, wires and condensate drain.  Worthwhile IMO for UV protection if 
> nothing else.
> Once everything is connected it's best to run a leak test with dry nitrogen 
> but that requires a N2 bottle and regulator plus hose.  Then you'll need a 
> vacuum pump to suck out the air/N2 and water vapor before releasing the 
> refrigerant (that's stored in the outdoor unit) into the system.  You may 
> need to add/remove refrigerant if your lines are much shorter or longer than 
> standard.  By the way, these things come with a 5/16 in (not 1/4) service 
> fitting.
> Only at this point (installed, charged, and powered) will you know if it 
> actually works or not.  That's why I think warranty is important.  Some 
> systems must be installed by a licensed HVAC person for the warranty to be 
> valid.  IMO, it's worth hiring a local HVAC guy to make final connections and 
> do startup unless you happen to have all the required tools.
> Unlike normal split AC/heat pumps, in a mini-split both the liquid (small) 
> and vapor (big) lines must be insulated.  All the expansion valves (and other 
> controls) are in the outdoor unit.  Unlike a standard split AC system, the 
> pressure is the same in both (liquid and vapor) lines because the expansion 
> valve is in the outdoor unit.  Same during heat cycle.
> Scott
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 5:57 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split
> 
> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB 
> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a set 
> of precharged lines for $650.
> 
> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Loosening the horizontal console wood

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well then, maybe someone else will chime in. I'm guessing the radio is going to 
be stubborn, so you may need to work it around a bit to get it to release.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 14, 2020 8:22:37 PM Craig via Mercedes :

> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 22:22:06 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Factory radio? Make sure you have the orientation of the keys right,
> > and fully inserted. Shouldn't take much effort to pull it out, but I've
> > only removed a couple of them.
> > 
> 
> I put the keys in in the orientation shown in the attached screenshot,
> with the notches toward the center of the car.
> 
> I pushed them in until I felt them lock into the notches.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good stuff, Scott. Thanks!

I noticed the cheapie one I saw was only AC, no heat. I would think that AC 
only ones would be less expensive if they’re offered. I don’t need heat.

I can do 120 or 240 - the distribution panel is on the wall where this would be 
mounted, so that part is easy. Flower bed on the exterior wall, so no problem 
with putting a little precast concrete pad there, either. Only real issue is 
that it’s an exterior block wall, so I’ll have to drill/punch through concrete 
block for the lines and power. Not a big deal.

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan,  
> That is a good price but you can get a similar new unit from several online 
> sources for a couple hundred more.
> I installed a 9K BTU system (1 ton is 12K BTU) in my outbuilding a couple 
> years ago and have been happy with it.  Mine was brand name "Pioneer" bought 
> from https://www.highseer.com/ .  The details of my outdoor unit appear 
> identical to a Mitsubishi unit so suspect it (and many other brands) is just 
> a relabeled version of a big name Asian product.  
> Install is not hard, especially if you mount the outdoor unit on the ground 
> and you have a concrete block or standard 16 or 24 inch stud wall (neither 
> the case where I had to install mine).
> These come in 110v and 220v so consider the available power at your location.
> There are high efficiency units with one orifice and one electronic expansion 
> valve and higher efficiency units with two expansion valves (like 18 vs 22 
> SEER).  Heating efficiency doesn't vary much.
> Unlike a standard AC/heat pump, getting a unit that is "too big" is less of a 
> problem because the compressor and blower will run slower to match lower 
> heating/cooling needs.
> You will probably need to trim (shorten) the refrigerant line set and you'll 
> want a good flare tool for this; cheapie tools will leak.  Mine came with a 
> tiny tune of stuff (sealant) to put on the flare connections and mine never 
> leaked at those connections.
> You can get prefab plastic cover kits for the exposed outside refrigerant 
> lines, wires and condensate drain.  Worthwhile IMO for UV protection if 
> nothing else.
> Once everything is connected it's best to run a leak test with dry nitrogen 
> but that requires a N2 bottle and regulator plus hose.  Then you'll need a 
> vacuum pump to suck out the air/N2 and water vapor before releasing the 
> refrigerant (that's stored in the outdoor unit) into the system.  You may 
> need to add/remove refrigerant if your lines are much shorter or longer than 
> standard.  By the way, these things come with a 5/16 in (not 1/4) service 
> fitting.
> Only at this point (installed, charged, and powered) will you know if it 
> actually works or not.  That's why I think warranty is important.  Some 
> systems must be installed by a licensed HVAC person for the warranty to be 
> valid.  IMO, it's worth hiring a local HVAC guy to make final connections and 
> do startup unless you happen to have all the required tools.
> Unlike normal split AC/heat pumps, in a mini-split both the liquid (small) 
> and vapor (big) lines must be insulated.  All the expansion valves (and other 
> controls) are in the outdoor unit.  Unlike a standard split AC system, the 
> pressure is the same in both (liquid and vapor) lines because the expansion 
> valve is in the outdoor unit.  Same during heat cycle.
> Scott
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 5:57 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split
> 
> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB 
> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a set 
> of precharged lines for $650.
> 
> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Dan,  
That is a good price but you can get a similar new unit from several online 
sources for a couple hundred more.
I installed a 9K BTU system (1 ton is 12K BTU) in my outbuilding a couple years 
ago and have been happy with it.  Mine was brand name "Pioneer" bought from 
https://www.highseer.com/ .  The details of my outdoor unit appear identical to 
a Mitsubishi unit so suspect it (and many other brands) is just a relabeled 
version of a big name Asian product.  
Install is not hard, especially if you mount the outdoor unit on the ground and 
you have a concrete block or standard 16 or 24 inch stud wall (neither the case 
where I had to install mine).
These come in 110v and 220v so consider the available power at your location.
There are high efficiency units with one orifice and one electronic expansion 
valve and higher efficiency units with two expansion valves (like 18 vs 22 
SEER).  Heating efficiency doesn't vary much.
Unlike a standard AC/heat pump, getting a unit that is "too big" is less of a 
problem because the compressor and blower will run slower to match lower 
heating/cooling needs.
You will probably need to trim (shorten) the refrigerant line set and you'll 
want a good flare tool for this; cheapie tools will leak.  Mine came with a 
tiny tune of stuff (sealant) to put on the flare connections and mine never 
leaked at those connections.
You can get prefab plastic cover kits for the exposed outside refrigerant 
lines, wires and condensate drain.  Worthwhile IMO for UV protection if nothing 
else.
Once everything is connected it's best to run a leak test with dry nitrogen but 
that requires a N2 bottle and regulator plus hose.  Then you'll need a vacuum 
pump to suck out the air/N2 and water vapor before releasing the refrigerant 
(that's stored in the outdoor unit) into the system.  You may need to 
add/remove refrigerant if your lines are much shorter or longer than standard.  
By the way, these things come with a 5/16 in (not 1/4) service fitting.
Only at this point (installed, charged, and powered) will you know if it 
actually works or not.  That's why I think warranty is important.  Some systems 
must be installed by a licensed HVAC person for the warranty to be valid.  IMO, 
it's worth hiring a local HVAC guy to make final connections and do startup 
unless you happen to have all the required tools.
Unlike normal split AC/heat pumps, in a mini-split both the liquid (small) and 
vapor (big) lines must be insulated.  All the expansion valves (and other 
controls) are in the outdoor unit.  Unlike a standard split AC system, the 
pressure is the same in both (liquid and vapor) lines because the expansion 
valve is in the outdoor unit.  Same during heat cycle.
Scott


-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 5:57 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
Subject: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB marketplace 
has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a set of precharged 
lines for $650.

Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I’m thinking about mini splits for my garage.

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:43 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan,  putting in mini splits was,best thing we did in our house. Ours are
> Fujitsu. Do you know how many BTU's? I can look up specs & price for ours.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 5:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB
>> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a
>> set of precharged lines for $650.
>> 
>> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Loosening the horizontal console wood

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On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 22:22:06 + (UTC) Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Factory radio? Make sure you have the orientation of the keys right,
> and fully inserted. Shouldn't take much effort to pull it out, but I've
> only removed a couple of them.

I put the keys in in the orientation shown in the attached screenshot,
with the notches toward the center of the car.

I pushed them in until I felt them lock into the notches.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

When I looked at it a long time ago it was all the same part number. Since r134 
works great in the later cars that came with it I just assumed the part number 
was probably superseded way back in the 90s to work with 134.  

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 7:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The 1991 uses a condensor 124 830 16 70
> 
> I looked at a facelift gasser W124 and it uses the same one, so it appears 
> they’re using the same condensor across the board no matter what. Hard to say 
> it’s a parallel flow without seeing it, but I would guess it probably is.
> 
> They’re cheap as wine - a Nissens is $131.00 and a Behr is $95.00 both at FCP 
> Euro.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 8:05 PM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> WDBEB28D1MB364746   1991 300D 2.5
>> 
>> The other one is an 87 300D.  Don't have that VIN in front of me but the 
>> chassis is 12.515240
>> 
>> So maybe I could snag a couple condensers from the PnP? (from 1992 or newer 
>> 124s)
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 6:07 PM:
>>> What year is his car? I can look up the part number and see if it 
>>> superseded.
>>> 
>>> I wonder how they deal with that - I wonder if they can supply an R12 
>>> condensor with the laws and stuff, even though it was original equipment?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Since the 124 had 134 starting in 92-93 I’m sure the current part number 
 is probably parallel flow.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got mine for a W126 from the Klima Works guys, but I don’t think they 
> make anything for the W124. I don’t recall ever doing a crossflow 
> condensor in a W124.
> 
> https://klimakit.com/products/
> 
> Can’t hurt to ask them. Maybe the sizes are close on one of the ones they 
> make.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan,   where did you find the crossflow condensor for the SDL?
>>> 
>>> Since the AC is flat, and this 300D was converted to 134A, I was 
>>> thinking now is a good time to put in a crossflow condensor.   I have 
>>> to change the serp belt tensioner arm anyhow...
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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 19:07:17 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> What year is his car? I can look up the part number and see if it
> superseded.
> 
> I wonder how they deal with that - I wonder if they can supply an R12
> condensor with the laws and stuff, even though it was original
> equipment?

The R134 condenser will be more efficient than the R12 condenser, so they
will probably only supply that.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The 1991 uses a condensor 124 830 16 70

I looked at a facelift gasser W124 and it uses the same one, so it appears 
they’re using the same condensor across the board no matter what. Hard to say 
it’s a parallel flow without seeing it, but I would guess it probably is.

They’re cheap as wine - a Nissens is $131.00 and a Behr is $95.00 both at FCP 
Euro.

Hope that helps.

-D





> On Mar 14, 2020, at 8:05 PM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> WDBEB28D1MB364746   1991 300D 2.5
> 
> The other one is an 87 300D.  Don't have that VIN in front of me but the 
> chassis is 12.515240
> 
> So maybe I could snag a couple condensers from the PnP? (from 1992 or newer 
> 124s)
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 6:07 PM:
>> What year is his car? I can look up the part number and see if it superseded.
>> 
>> I wonder how they deal with that - I wonder if they can supply an R12 
>> condensor with the laws and stuff, even though it was original equipment?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since the 124 had 134 starting in 92-93 I’m sure the current part number is 
>>> probably parallel flow.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I got mine for a W126 from the Klima Works guys, but I don’t think they 
 make anything for the W124. I don’t recall ever doing a crossflow 
 condensor in a W124.
 
 https://klimakit.com/products/
 
 Can’t hurt to ask them. Maybe the sizes are close on one of the ones they 
 make.
 
 -D
 
> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan,   where did you find the crossflow condensor for the SDL?
> 
> Since the AC is flat, and this 300D was converted to 134A, I was thinking 
> now is a good time to put in a crossflow condensor.   I have to change 
> the serp belt tensioner arm anyhow...
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Re: [MBZ] SOT: Ugly German car

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

looks  like a camry transformer thing with a big hole cut in the 
front.    Fgly!


I can't think of a 4 wheel BMW I like made after 1980, although the 
80-2000 ones were tolerable.


I don't even like the 2 wheel bmws after the R100, but still would 
prefer a /6 (or R90S) over an R100


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 5:48 PM:

BMW, ugh

https://www.amlu.com/2020/03/12/bmw-i4-presses-confidently-ahead-with-progressive-design-for-the-new-decade 






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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

R134a was mandated for use in 1994. The 124 got the facelift in 1994, so I'm 
not sure if the condenser is interchangeable, but if it is, Bob's your uncle c

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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What year is his car? I can look up the part number and see if it superseded.

I wonder how they deal with that - I wonder if they can supply an R12 condensor 
with the laws and stuff, even though it was original equipment?

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Since the 124 had 134 starting in 92-93 I’m sure the current part number is 
> probably parallel flow.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I got mine for a W126 from the Klima Works guys, but I don’t think they 
>> make anything for the W124. I don’t recall ever doing a crossflow condensor 
>> in a W124.
>> 
>> https://klimakit.com/products/
>> 
>> Can’t hurt to ask them. Maybe the sizes are close on one of the ones they 
>> make.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan,   where did you find the crossflow condensor for the SDL?
>>> 
>>> Since the AC is flat, and this 300D was converted to 134A, I was thinking 
>>> now is a good time to put in a crossflow condensor.   I have to change the 
>>> serp belt tensioner arm anyhow...
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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Since the 124 had 134 starting in 92-93 I’m sure the current part number is 
probably parallel flow.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I got mine for a W126 from the Klima Works guys, but I don’t think they make 
> anything for the W124. I don’t recall ever doing a crossflow condensor in a 
> W124.
> 
> https://klimakit.com/products/
> 
> Can’t hurt to ask them. Maybe the sizes are close on one of the ones they 
> make.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan,   where did you find the crossflow condensor for the SDL?
>> 
>> Since the AC is flat, and this 300D was converted to 134A, I was thinking 
>> now is a good time to put in a crossflow condensor.   I have to change the 
>> serp belt tensioner arm anyhow...
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[MBZ] SOT: Ugly German car

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

BMW, ugh

https://www.amlu.com/2020/03/12/bmw-i4-presses-confidently-ahead-with-progressive-design-for-the-new-decade

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Imo, Warranty is what matters in this case.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 18:35 Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> As stated, Home Despot sells them. Can’t tell who makes them, but the
> company is based in Miami and appears to be an importer. Something made
> offshore, no doubt.
>
> https://www.premiumus.com/product_listing.cfm?category_id=184=1 <
> https://www.premiumus.com/product_listing.cfm?category_id=184=1>
>
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Ductless-Mini-Splits/PREMIUM/N-5yc1vZc4m1Z44r
> <
> https://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Ductless-Mini-Splits/PREMIUM/N-5yc1vZc4m1Z44r
> >
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > That’s the brand?  Never heard of it. Try to find out who makes it.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB
> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a
> set of precharged lines for $650.
> >>
> >> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Dan,  putting in mini splits was,best thing we did in our house. Ours are
Fujitsu. Do you know how many BTU's? I can look up specs & price for ours.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 5:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
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> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB
> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a
> set of precharged lines for $650.
>
> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
>
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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I got mine for a W126 from the Klima Works guys, but I don’t think they make 
anything for the W124. I don’t recall ever doing a crossflow condensor in a 
W124.

https://klimakit.com/products/

Can’t hurt to ask them. Maybe the sizes are close on one of the ones they make.

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan,   where did you find the crossflow condensor for the SDL?
> 
> Since the AC is flat, and this 300D was converted to 134A, I was thinking now 
> is a good time to put in a crossflow condensor.   I have to change the serp 
> belt tensioner arm anyhow...
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

As stated, Home Despot sells them. Can’t tell who makes them, but the company 
is based in Miami and appears to be an importer. Something made offshore, no 
doubt.

https://www.premiumus.com/product_listing.cfm?category_id=184=1 


https://www.homedepot.com/b/Heating-Venting-Cooling-Ductless-Mini-Splits/PREMIUM/N-5yc1vZc4m1Z44r
 


-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That’s the brand?  Never heard of it. Try to find out who makes it. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB 
>> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a set 
>> of precharged lines for $650.
>> 
>> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
>> 
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[MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dan,   where did you find the crossflow condensor for the SDL?

Since the AC is flat, and this 300D was converted to 134A, I was 
thinking now is a good time to put in a crossflow condensor.   I have to 
change the serp belt tensioner arm anyhow...


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Re: [MBZ] Loosening the horizontal console wood

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Factory radio? Make sure you have the orientation of the keys right, and fully 
inserted. Shouldn't take much effort to pull it out, but I've only removed a 
couple of them.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 14, 2020 5:52:07 PM Craig via Mercedes :

> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:30:19 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Use a bright light, find the two screws inside the console box, one each
> > side, I think toward the front of the box. Get that console box out of
> > the way and you'll find the screw to remove so you can get the center
> > console wood piece out.
> > 
> 
> Thank you, Max, for the reply. It turns out I did just what you said and
> came back to the computer to post I had found the solution and saw your
> email.
> 
> The two screws are at the extreme front end of the console box on the
> outside corners underneath fuzz, hair, and other cruft so they were
> hidden. Once that was out of the way, yes, the screw to remove was
> visible and now the ashtray is out.
> 
> I put the radio removal tools I got from Floyd's link on Amazon and am
> now trying to pull the radio out so I can disconnect the electrical plugs.
> 
> The radio, however, does not want to cooperate.
> 
> Do I just pull harder?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

thanks Dan.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 5:03 PM:

Here’s a BW thread about using a resistor to lower the resistance of the sensor 
on the block:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/auxillary-fan-turn-on-set-point-resistor-modification.1629476/

It’s kind of convoluted reading, but I seem to recall using a couple of 2.2k 
ohm resistors in parallel to get my cut in point to about 92C.

-D


On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

Found relays K9 and K10. pulled them out, and when I put one (k10) in I had low 
speed!   Put the other in and had high speed!(Dryer switch jumped and top 
sensor unplugged.)

With both relays back in , I plugged in the top sensor, and the dryer switch 
and went for a drive.  all ok for a while,  Temp stable at 82.  Then temp 
climbing/no fans.  Stopped  pulled out the top sensor plug. fans running/ temp 
going back to normal.

Came home, pulled the relays.   changed the low speed one. everything appears 
to be working again.

Could be a bad relay, bad contact on the pins or bad connection on the pins 
where the relay plugs in.

The 87 has a double top sensor.  one 2 pin and one 1pin.  resistance, cold 
between the 2 pins is infinity, compared to 5K ohm on the 91 with a 2 pin 
sensor.  SDL has the same 3 pin sensor.  I need to go back and pull the plug 
off it and check cold resistance.   (it was stuck too tight to get it off by 
hand)  Since they are not he same as the 91 OM602, I don't know if their 
resistance is meaningful for comparison or not.

I stole a relay from the SDL and stuck it in the low speed (k10) slot.

We will see what happens now.

I think the dryer switch may be ok, but no way to test it right now.
not sure if the top sensor is right and I don't know what its resistance 
cold/hot  should be.   Anyone got information about it?


I also did further testing on the viscous clutch. It is low on oil.  Had a 
spare used MB one, but it had leaked oil all over.   Not a good sign!

Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 3:04 PM:

I think that low speed fan circuit has a big resistor between the ABS pump and 
the fender. If that resistor is open circuit, no fan operation. Had that on my 
'87.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 14, 2020 3:42:46 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :


Done that. it has no effect whatsoever. (indicates electrical problem, not 
mechanical)

Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 2:30 PM:


otherwise, the next fix is to put a manual switch on the fans or wire
them to run whenever the key is on.


You can do that by shorting the terminals at the receiver/filter/dryer I
mentioned in one of my emails. I had to do that on our '90 E300D because
the switch on the side of the receiver/filter/driver was bad and removing
it would have opened the A/C system.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That’s the brand?  Never heard of it. Try to find out who makes it. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB 
> marketplace has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a set 
> of precharged lines for $650.
> 
> Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Win XP needed

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

https://download.cnet.com/Microsoft-Windows-XP-Service-Pack-3/3000-18513_4-190061.html

Fred

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Does anybody have a ISO or something somewhere to download to make a
> bootable WIN XP installation disk?  I am attempting to restore an
> installation of an Xentry SSD I have on my old system. I am wanting to
> move that drive to a different computer but get the BSOD everytime I try
> to boot it.  I think its something to do with drivers or something.  One
> suggestion was to boot from XP disk, run a few things or try to do a
> repair install.  I have not been able to locate my install cd since the
> move 5 years ago.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here’s a BW thread about using a resistor to lower the resistance of the sensor 
on the block:

https://www.benzworld.org/threads/auxillary-fan-turn-on-set-point-resistor-modification.1629476/

It’s kind of convoluted reading, but I seem to recall using a couple of 2.2k 
ohm resistors in parallel to get my cut in point to about 92C.

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Found relays K9 and K10. pulled them out, and when I put one (k10) in I had 
> low speed!   Put the other in and had high speed!(Dryer switch jumped and 
> top sensor unplugged.)
> 
> With both relays back in , I plugged in the top sensor, and the dryer switch 
> and went for a drive.  all ok for a while,  Temp stable at 82.  Then temp 
> climbing/no fans.  Stopped  pulled out the top sensor plug. fans running/ 
> temp going back to normal.
> 
> Came home, pulled the relays.   changed the low speed one. everything appears 
> to be working again.
> 
> Could be a bad relay, bad contact on the pins or bad connection on the pins 
> where the relay plugs in.
> 
> The 87 has a double top sensor.  one 2 pin and one 1pin.  resistance, cold 
> between the 2 pins is infinity, compared to 5K ohm on the 91 with a 2 pin 
> sensor.  SDL has the same 3 pin sensor.  I need to go back and pull the plug 
> off it and check cold resistance.   (it was stuck too tight to get it off by 
> hand)  Since they are not he same as the 91 OM602, I don't know if their 
> resistance is meaningful for comparison or not.
> 
> I stole a relay from the SDL and stuck it in the low speed (k10) slot.
> 
> We will see what happens now.
> 
> I think the dryer switch may be ok, but no way to test it right now.
> not sure if the top sensor is right and I don't know what its resistance 
> cold/hot  should be.   Anyone got information about it?
> 
> 
> I also did further testing on the viscous clutch. It is low on oil.  Had a 
> spare used MB one, but it had leaked oil all over.   Not a good sign!
> 
> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 3:04 PM:
>> I think that low speed fan circuit has a big resistor between the ABS pump 
>> and the fender. If that resistor is open circuit, no fan operation. Had that 
>> on my '87.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> Mar 14, 2020 3:42:46 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Done that. it has no effect whatsoever. (indicates electrical problem, not 
>>> mechanical)
>>> 
>>> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 2:30 PM:
>>> 
> otherwise, the next fix is to put a manual switch on the fans or wire
> them to run whenever the key is on.
> 
 You can do that by shorting the terminals at the receiver/filter/dryer I
 mentioned in one of my emails. I had to do that on our '90 E300D because
 the switch on the side of the receiver/filter/driver was bad and removing
 it would have opened the A/C system.
 
 
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[MBZ] OT - Mini-Split

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I know some of you are familiar with these. Some guy on my local FB marketplace 
has a 1 ton “Premium” mini-split brand new in the box with a set of precharged 
lines for $650.

Looks like Home Despot sells these. Anyone know if they’re any good?

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Found relays K9 and K10. pulled them out, and when I put one (k10) in I 
had low speed!   Put the other in and had high speed!    (Dryer switch 
jumped and top sensor unplugged.)


With both relays back in , I plugged in the top sensor, and the dryer 
switch and went for a drive.  all ok for a while,  Temp stable at 82.  
Then temp climbing/no fans.  Stopped  pulled out the top sensor plug. 
fans running/ temp going back to normal.


Came home, pulled the relays.   changed the low speed one. everything 
appears to be working again.


Could be a bad relay, bad contact on the pins or bad connection on the 
pins where the relay plugs in.


The 87 has a double top sensor.  one 2 pin and one 1pin.  resistance, 
cold between the 2 pins is infinity, compared to 5K ohm on the 91 with a 
2 pin sensor.  SDL has the same 3 pin sensor.  I need to go back and 
pull the plug off it and check cold resistance.   (it was stuck too 
tight to get it off by hand)  Since they are not he same as the 91 
OM602, I don't know if their resistance is meaningful for comparison or not.


I stole a relay from the SDL and stuck it in the low speed (k10) slot.

We will see what happens now.

I think the dryer switch may be ok, but no way to test it right now.
not sure if the top sensor is right and I don't know what its resistance 
cold/hot  should be.   Anyone got information about it?



I also did further testing on the viscous clutch. It is low on oil.  Had 
a spare used MB one, but it had leaked oil all over.   Not a good sign!


Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 3:04 PM:

I think that low speed fan circuit has a big resistor between the ABS pump and 
the fender. If that resistor is open circuit, no fan operation. Had that on my 
'87.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 14, 2020 3:42:46 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :


Done that. it has no effect whatsoever. (indicates electrical problem, not 
mechanical)

Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 2:30 PM:


otherwise, the next fix is to put a manual switch on the fans or wire
them to run whenever the key is on.


You can do that by shorting the terminals at the receiver/filter/dryer I
mentioned in one of my emails. I had to do that on our '90 E300D because
the switch on the side of the receiver/filter/driver was bad and removing
it would have opened the A/C system.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

[Clay via Mercedes]

This was the existential crisis/mass hysteria of the moment as the whoohoo flu 
was just kicking off, early Dec. 2019.  Media produced lies and muckraking 
where three months later Death and TP depletion took hold.

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2019/12/promoters-of-climate-anxiety.html

clay

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:52 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 01:46:17 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, but how does COVIF-19 compare (medical risk, media coverage, and
>> the public reaction) with Swine Flu, for example.  And why do you think
>> it's different?
> 
> Have a look at:
> 
> https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/03/panic-and-coronavirus-is-there-is.html
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Re: [MBZ] Loosening the horizontal console wood

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On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:30:19 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Use a bright light, find the two screws inside the console box, one each
> side, I think toward the front of the box.  Get that console box out of
> the way and you'll find the screw to remove so you can get the center
> console wood piece out.

Thank you, Max, for the reply. It turns out I did just what you said and
came back to the computer to post I had found the solution and saw your
email.

The two screws are at the extreme front end of the console box on the
outside corners underneath fuzz, hair, and other cruft so they were
hidden. Once that was out of the way, yes, the screw to remove was
visible and now the ashtray is out.

I put the radio removal tools I got from Floyd's link on Amazon and am
now trying to pull the radio out so I can disconnect the electrical plugs.

The radio, however, does not want to cooperate.

Do I just pull harder?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Loosening the horizontal console wood

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Use a bright light, find the two screws inside the console box, one each
side, I think toward the front of the box.  Get that console box out of the
way and you'll find the screw to remove so you can get the center console
wood piece out.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:00 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Now I need some help with my 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo
>
> I want to remove the ashtray.
>
> I have already taken out the two Phillips screws in the upper rear of the
> ashtray assembly.
>
> I know I need to slide the horizontal console wood (the one through which
> the shift lever pokes) to the rear, but the console "glove" box is over
> where the end of the wood is.
>
> On our previous E300D (1990), I could readily access the the aft end of
> the wood, remove a screw, and slide the wood backwards. This one does not
> seem to have that option.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Even though this wiring diagram says it is for 93 and later, I think it
will work for your car for the aux fan circuits.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:24 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> There are two relays: K9, which operates the high speed function of the
> aux fans, and K10 which is for the low speed function (low speed circuit
> goes through a big resistor to drop the voltage).  K9 is in position C in
> the fuse box, K10 is position B in the fuse box.
>
> High speed circuit:  Test by jumping the  temperature sensor/switch at the
> top front of head, makes both fans run in high speed, I think you've
> confirmed that this works.
>
> This information is for an '87 diesel, and also works for a '93 diesel, so
> I think it will cover your '91 diesel.
>
> Low speed circuit: Signaling side of the relay: Fuse 7 to K10 pin 4.  K10
> pin 5 goes to S32 (refrigerant pressure switch) which goes to ground.
> Powering side of the relay: K10 pin 3 is power from Fuse D.  K10 pin 1 goes
> to the resister (located by the ABS pump and the reciever/dryer, behind the
> left front headlight), then to the fans.
>
>
> Test for power from Fuse 7 to K10 pin 4 with key on.  Test for power from
> Fuse D to K10 pin 3 with key on.  Test if the resistor is open or 0.2 ohms
> (correct value is 0.2 ohms).  Test that K10 pin 5 has continuity to one of
> the connections as the S32 pressure switch, and test that the other
> connector has continuity to ground.  Test that there is continuity from the
> resistor to the motors.
>
> Order a new t-stat, so that after you get all that straightened out and
> the car is still running too hot, you can fix the real problem (I predict)
> which is a bad t-stat.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
>
>
>>


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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

There are two relays: K9, which operates the high speed function of the aux
fans, and K10 which is for the low speed function (low speed circuit goes
through a big resistor to drop the voltage).  K9 is in position C in the
fuse box, K10 is position B in the fuse box.

High speed circuit:  Test by jumping the  temperature sensor/switch at the
top front of head, makes both fans run in high speed, I think you've
confirmed that this works.

This information is for an '87 diesel, and also works for a '93 diesel, so
I think it will cover your '91 diesel.

Low speed circuit: Signaling side of the relay: Fuse 7 to K10 pin 4.  K10
pin 5 goes to S32 (refrigerant pressure switch) which goes to ground.
Powering side of the relay: K10 pin 3 is power from Fuse D.  K10 pin 1 goes
to the resister (located by the ABS pump and the reciever/dryer, behind the
left front headlight), then to the fans.


Test for power from Fuse 7 to K10 pin 4 with key on.  Test for power from
Fuse D to K10 pin 3 with key on.  Test if the resistor is open or 0.2 ohms
(correct value is 0.2 ohms).  Test that K10 pin 5 has continuity to one of
the connections as the S32 pressure switch, and test that the other
connector has continuity to ground.  Test that there is continuity from the
resistor to the motors.

Order a new t-stat, so that after you get all that straightened out and the
car is still running too hot, you can fix the real problem (I predict)
which is a bad t-stat.
-
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Charleston SC




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[MBZ] Win XP needed

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Does anybody have a ISO or something somewhere to download to make a 
bootable WIN XP installation disk?  I am attempting to restore an 
installation of an Xentry SSD I have on my old system. I am wanting to 
move that drive to a different computer but get the BSOD everytime I try 
to boot it.  I think its something to do with drivers or something.  One 
suggestion was to boot from XP disk, run a few things or try to do a 
repair install.  I have not been able to locate my install cd since the 
move 5 years ago.



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[MBZ] Loosening the horizontal console wood

[Craig via Mercedes]

Now I need some help with my 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

I want to remove the ashtray.

I have already taken out the two Phillips screws in the upper rear of the
ashtray assembly.

I know I need to slide the horizontal console wood (the one through which
the shift lever pokes) to the rear, but the console "glove" box is over
where the end of the wood is.

On our previous E300D (1990), I could readily access the the aft end of
the wood, remove a screw, and slide the wood backwards. This one does not
seem to have that option.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The 190 had an electric clutch if I remember correctly, while the W124 has a 
> viscous clutch.


W201's vary.  Ours (diesel) has a visco-clutch.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

[Clay via Mercedes]

Cliff Mass was one of the best professors I ever had.  We were still learning 
about the coming ice age when I took his class.  El Nino was a brand new 
phenomenon and AIDS had a band preceding it.

clay

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:52 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 01:46:17 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, but how does COVIF-19 compare (medical risk, media coverage, and
>> the public reaction) with Swine Flu, for example.  And why do you think
>> it's different?
> 
> Have a look at:
> 
> https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/03/panic-and-coronavirus-is-there-is.html
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT no politics but observation on situation

[Clay via Mercedes]

Now toss in a grown kid, since the schools are shut down.  

I really enjoy the quiet time with SWMBA out of the house.  College child will 
be here with his other stranded friends from all over the USA, returned to 
their homes to prevent contagion on school grounds.  I told SWMBA that it would 
be a bit too contentious at home loud younglings cavorting, and feet of snow on 
the ground, so too cold for me to take a book outside to read.

The impact of spring break trips has hit up north.  Fairbanks firefighter 
returned to work after vacationing in the lower 48.  He fell ill at work and 
now the whole shift is out of commission for the next few weeks.

Firemen who responded to the ill chinese cargo pilot in ANC are also out on 
containment.  Add a few thousand college kids with no place to go coming in 
from all over the US into an area the size of Rhode Island. 

I would be interested to see how this shakes out nationwide as college dorms 
and fraternities empty out, returning possible vectors to their home cities 
long before summer job season kicks in, if the economy is even capable of 
absorbing the labor, as it lays off and shuts down all the places the kids 
would normally work.

Fill out your census forms.  That Census enumerator may be spreading disease if 
he rings your doorbell

clay

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>>> In early 2021 there will be a spike in births and they will be called 
>>> Covidians.
>> and/or a spike in divorces ...
> 
> Both wouldn't surprise me, even in the same couples!
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think that low speed fan circuit has a big resistor between the ABS pump and 
the fender. If that resistor is open circuit, no fan operation. Had that on my 
'87.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 14, 2020 3:42:46 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes :

> Done that. it has no effect whatsoever. (indicates electrical problem, not 
> mechanical)
> 
> Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 2:30 PM:
> 
> > 
> > > otherwise, the next fix is to put a manual switch on the fans or wire
> > > them to run whenever the key is on.
> > > 
> > You can do that by shorting the terminals at the receiver/filter/dryer I
> > mentioned in one of my emails. I had to do that on our '90 E300D because
> > the switch on the side of the receiver/filter/driver was bad and removing
> > it would have opened the A/C system.
> > 
> > 
> > Craig
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Done that.  it has no effect whatsoever.  (indicates electrical problem, 
not mechanical)


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 2:30 PM:

otherwise, the next fix is to put a manual switch on the fans or wire
them to run whenever the key is on.

You can do that by shorting the terminals at the receiver/filter/dryer I
mentioned in one of my emails. I had to do that on our '90 E300D because
the switch on the side of the receiver/filter/driver was bad and removing
it would have opened the A/C system.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT: = ON TOPIC 124 2.5 overheating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

On the schematic, the low speed circuit is easier to follow from fuses 
(2) to the fans and ground.   I will start by troubleshooting that 
part.   The high speed side gets power from K4/10 and I have not yet 
located that device or its function.


Possible points of failure on the high speed side:
no power from K4/10
Bad relay k9
No power to K9 from fuse fuzzy (perhaps 7?)
bad PBU, so K9 does not engage
B10/8 bad
there is also a x11/4 (impulse readout) involved via the PBU but I can't 
figure out what it does or how it is involved.


Since there is no low speed fan, if it is made to work properly, it 
could restore all functions as they should be.


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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Clay via Mercedes]

Maybe the cure should be put in CBD vaping pens.  That atomized stuff gets 
really deep into lungs, so would be able to combat infection from the insides.

clay

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 10:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As the Klingons say:  "It is a good day to..."
> 
> Quit smoking!
> 
> One thing the mediaocrats have failed is to hype the fact that those with 
> smoke damaged lungs are more likely to die from the mexican beer virus.   So 
> they should all be hyping the sheeple to quit smoking NOW!The fact that 
> they aren't is yet another indication of the insincerity of their efforts.
> 
> Or  "The media wants ALL smokers to DIE!" Oh, the percentage of 
> smokers is higher in asia and some other countries. RACIST!  


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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 13:52:28 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I do not see any way to take off/take out the front shroud and fans, 
> other than removing radiator, condensor etc.  Trying to avoid that for
> now.

For sure, you do not have to remove the condenser. IIRC, you also do not
have to remove the radiator. You may have to loosen the mounting clips
and tip it backwards with the condenser.


> If anyone can find a wiring diagram, that would be very helpful.

I already posted them to the List; check your email.


> I have been looking at the manual on Dave M's site and on the 
> w124-zone.com site, I don't find any diagnostic for the fan circuits 
> other than the 83-544 posted earlier for the dryer switch.


> If I could get to it, I'd be tempted to cut out the lower part of the 
> front shroud to allow airflow other than past the electric fans.   But 
> will run as designed if I can find the problem.

No, don't do that! If you cut out the lower portion of the front shroud
you will greatly reduce the effect of the auxiliary fans when they are
needed.


> otherwise, the next fix is to put a manual switch on the fans or wire
> them to run whenever the key is on.

You can do that by shorting the terminals at the receiver/filter/dryer I
mentioned in one of my emails. I had to do that on our '90 E300D because
the switch on the side of the receiver/filter/driver was bad and removing
it would have opened the A/C system.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yep got that.

Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 12:39 PM:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:26:04 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


I think in some prior discussion I remember that the )M60x has 2 fan
switches.  Apparently they are in parallel.   Anyone know if or where
this other switch could be?

I sent the schematics with another email.

Attached is the picture of the A/C filter dryer/reservoir and its
switches. The auxiliary fan switch is the red one with the flying leads
which connect with faston terminals to two wires which go off into the
wiring harness.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I've reviewed them, but I don't write them.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 14, 2020 3:09:54 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes :

> Continuity Of Operations Plan. Nobody does this?
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Knoble via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:09 AM
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> Cc: Rick Knoble
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!
> 
> Greg asks:
> 
> 
> > Any COOP experts here?
> > 
> 
> Co-op, coupe, or COPD?
> 
> Rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Continuity Of Operations Plan. Nobody does this?

Greg

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Greg asks:

>Any COOP experts here?

Co-op, coupe, or COPD?

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ok, here is the latest.

Top sensor, 2 pin, at the top of the head, next to 1 pin temp sensor 
(coolant exit to radiator)

5,000 ohm resistance, cold between the 2 pins
Blue/white wire: 5 v
brown wire 0 volts


Dryer fan switch
Infinite resistance cold = open circuit
Brown/Blue wire 12v
brown wire  0 volts.

with key on, fans are running with plug on top sensor disconnected. the 
dryer fan connectors open or jumped made no difference.



Took loose the rear shroud
took loose the radiator.
Front of radiator/back or condensor are clean.

I do not see any way to take off/take out the front shroud and fans, 
other than removing radiator, condensor etc.  Trying to avoid that for now.


Because there is 5 v., not 12v. on the blue/brown wire at the top 
sensor, there has to be some other device in the circuit that is 
reducing voltage from 12 to 5.Is this the resistor near the dryer?


If anyone can find a wiring diagram, that would be very helpful.

I have replace many viscous clutches, and refilled 3 or 4 others.   This 
viscous clutch is ok.   It looks like it may have been replaced when the 
radiator was replaced.


I have been looking at the manual on Dave M's site and on the 
w124-zone.com site, I don't find any diagnostic for the fan circuits 
other than the 83-544 posted earlier for the dryer switch.


As for changing antifreeze,  that has been planned for months for after 
everything is working and the shakedown is done.   right now, I want to 
get the electric fan controls fixed before I change the antifreeze, so I 
am trying to leave the coolant system intact and trying to leave the 
refrigerant system intact for now.


If I could get to it, I'd be tempted to cut out the lower part of the 
front shroud to allow airflow other than past the electric fans.   But 
will run as designed if I can find the problem.   otherwise, the next 
fix is to put a manual switch on the fans or wire them to run whenever 
the key is on.

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Re: [MBZ] Adaptive cruise control

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You can adjust the following distance to what you want. You can also stomp
on the accelerator to speed up, then just take your foot off once around
the slow car.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 12:35 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I had my first experience with this in a rental Subaru this week.
> Actually kind of a neat and perhaps useful feature.  I set the cruise
> control after I left the airport in Nashville and it was on the whole 45
> minute drive to the airport all the way thru the main part of town.  Car
> automatically would speed up and slow down as required, even applied the
> brakes when needed.  The only annoying part was if you are on the
> highway and a car is way ahead of you, within a certain distance car
> will slow down to match their speed.  You are too far away from then to
> move to the left lane to pass, so you have to move over early then the
> car speeds back up assuming there are no equally slow cars in the left
> lane. This could sometimes cause problems if you moved over and it took
> a few seconds for the car to speed up and in the mean time some other
> car would come up from behind and want to pass.
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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Greg asks:

>Any COOP experts here?

Co-op, coupe, or COPD?

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT: = ON TOPIC 124 2.5 overheating

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Almost identical to the 190e. The switches are hot and when they close, provide 
a ground path for the relays to energize, providing the fans with power. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OffT I wanna be this guy

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Last week I saw the film "Ford vs Ferrari", that was fun. GT-40 vs the best the 
Italians could muster.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

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> https://jalopnik.com/man-builds-incredible-custom-super-bronco-by-welding-a-1842127571
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Curley and Andrew become admins

--FT

On 3/14/20 1:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

We need a succession plan for the worst case scenario (demise of K and D)

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:05 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:




On Mar 14, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

You have the beer virus

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I’ve had one for about the last month, but I would attribute it to the

oak pollen that blankets the area this time of year. The ML is parked
outside, and it’s got a thick film of yellow dust all over it.

-D


On Mar 14, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Hmmm, seems like there were lots of people on the planes with a dry

cough.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 14, 2020, at 2:13 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Reports I'm seeing thus far on Corona virus is that it attacks the

actual

lung tissue and destroys it , were Swine Flu caused congestion and

mucous

which could be Coughed up Covid 19 has a dry cough.. no fluids,

while

the lung itself dissolves and you drown from lack of lung function.

Significant different infection vectors in play, in comparison.

Presuming

what I'm seeing is factual and accurate. Which would match the

reports that

say smokers [damaged lung tissue already] are much more likely to be

hit

harder.. or die.


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:57 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

As the Klingons say:  "It is a good day to..."

Quit smoking!

One thing the mediaocrats have failed is to hype the fact that those
with smoke damaged lungs are more likely to die from the mexican beer
virus.   So they should all be hyping the sheeple to quit smoking
NOW!The fact that they aren't is yet another indication of the
insincerity of their efforts.

Or  "The media wants ALL smokers to DIE!" Oh, the

percentage

of smokers is higher in asia and some other countries. RACIST!



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Re: [MBZ] OffT I wanna be this guy

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Ford should build that.

Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 01:46:17 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> OK, but how does COVIF-19 compare (medical risk, media coverage, and
> the public reaction) with Swine Flu, for example.  And why do you think
> it's different?

Have a look at:

https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/03/panic-and-coronavirus-is-there-is.html


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Any COOP experts here?

Greg

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We need a succession plan for the worst case scenario (demise of K and D)

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:05 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You have the beer virus
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’ve had one for about the last month, but I would attribute it to the
> oak pollen that blankets the area this time of year. The ML is parked
> outside, and it’s got a thick film of yellow dust all over it.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm, seems like there were lots of people on the planes with a dry
> cough.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 2:13 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Reports I'm seeing thus far on Corona virus is that it attacks the
> actual
>  lung tissue and destroys it , were Swine Flu caused congestion and
> mucous
>  which could be Coughed up Covid 19 has a dry cough.. no fluids,
> while
>  the lung itself dissolves and you drown from lack of lung function.
> 
>  Significant different infection vectors in play, in comparison.
> Presuming
>  what I'm seeing is factual and accurate. Which would match the
> reports that
>  say smokers [damaged lung tissue already] are much more likely to be
> hit
>  harder.. or die.
> 
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> >
> > As the Klingons say:  "It is a good day to..."
> >
> > Quit smoking!
> >
> > One thing the mediaocrats have failed is to hype the fact that those
> > with smoke damaged lungs are more likely to die from the mexican beer
> > virus.   So they should all be hyping the sheeple to quit smoking
> > NOW!The fact that they aren't is yet another indication of the
> > insincerity of their efforts.
> >
> > Or  "The media wants ALL smokers to DIE!" Oh, the
> percentage
> > of smokers is higher in asia and some other countries. RACIST!
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Re: [MBZ] Crab landing

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And the warranty on the landing gear struts.

I liked the comment:

Arabs: i can drift on the runway

Emirates: hold my beer

-D



> On Mar 14, 2020, at 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Thanks - impressive videos!  I wonder if that voids the tire warranty.
> 
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>>> Please explain crab landing.
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/roS6oFjCDhc
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT no politics but observation on situation

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Corona is a unisex name.

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> >> In early 2021 there will be a spike in births and they will be called
> Covidians.
> > and/or a spike in divorces ...
>
> Both wouldn't surprise me, even in the same couples!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Crab landing

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks - impressive videos!  I wonder if that voids the tire warranty.

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> >Please explain crab landing.
>
> https://youtu.be/roS6oFjCDhc
>
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[MBZ] Adaptive cruise control

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I had my first experience with this in a rental Subaru this week.  
Actually kind of a neat and perhaps useful feature.  I set the cruise 
control after I left the airport in Nashville and it was on the whole 45 
minute drive to the airport all the way thru the main part of town.  Car 
automatically would speed up and slow down as required, even applied the 
brakes when needed.  The only annoying part was if you are on the 
highway and a car is way ahead of you, within a certain distance car 
will slow down to match their speed.  You are too far away from then to 
move to the left lane to pass, so you have to move over early then the 
car speeds back up assuming there are no equally slow cars in the left 
lane. This could sometimes cause problems if you moved over and it took 
a few seconds for the car to speed up and in the mean time some other 
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Re: [MBZ] Photography Assignment OR Mercedes 1963 220SB Fintail W111 - For Parts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Probably worth it for someone doing a  restoration, provided the bumpers
are undented.

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> I saw the photos and the location and immediately knew it wasn’t in LA.
> It’s out in Antelope Valley.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This clown looks like he is submitting a photography assignment not
> making a Craigslist ad.
> >
> > Bob R
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> >> From: nore...@craigslist.org
> >> Date: March 14, 2020 at 8:48:21 AM MST
> >> To: azbob...@gmail.com
> >> Subject: Mercedes 1963 220SB Fintail W111 - For Parts
> >>
> >> 
> >> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
> >>
> >> Mercedes 1963 220SB Fintail W111 - For Parts
> >>
> >> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/7091010283.html
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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We need a succession plan for the worst case scenario (demise of K and D)

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:05 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You have the beer virus
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’ve had one for about the last month, but I would attribute it to the
> oak pollen that blankets the area this time of year. The ML is parked
> outside, and it’s got a thick film of yellow dust all over it.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm, seems like there were lots of people on the planes with a dry
> cough.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 2:13 AM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Reports I'm seeing thus far on Corona virus is that it attacks the
> actual
>  lung tissue and destroys it , were Swine Flu caused congestion and
> mucous
>  which could be Coughed up Covid 19 has a dry cough.. no fluids,
> while
>  the lung itself dissolves and you drown from lack of lung function.
> 
>  Significant different infection vectors in play, in comparison.
> Presuming
>  what I'm seeing is factual and accurate. Which would match the
> reports that
>  say smokers [damaged lung tissue already] are much more likely to be
> hit
>  harder.. or die.
> 
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:57 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > As the Klingons say:  "It is a good day to..."
> >
> > Quit smoking!
> >
> > One thing the mediaocrats have failed is to hype the fact that those
> > with smoke damaged lungs are more likely to die from the mexican beer
> > virus.   So they should all be hyping the sheeple to quit smoking
> > NOW!The fact that they aren't is yet another indication of the
> > insincerity of their efforts.
> >
> > Or  "The media wants ALL smokers to DIE!" Oh, the
> percentage
> > of smokers is higher in asia and some other countries. RACIST!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Correct 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 190 had an electric clutch if I remember correctly, while the W124 has a 
> viscous clutch.  
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The 190 had an electric clutch if I remember correctly, while the W124 has a 
viscous clutch.  
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Re: [MBZ] OT no politics but observation on situation

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>> In early 2021 there will be a spike in births and they will be called 
>> Covidians.
> and/or a spike in divorces ...

Both wouldn't surprise me, even in the same couples!

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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

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>Are you sure the fan clutch kicks on at 80? 

In my 190e 2.6 it is supposed to come on at 100c or 105c, but not 80c. There is 
a resistor mod you can do at the temp sensor connector that can lower it 
(assuming they are similarly set up).  Dan posted on that years ago when he had 
the 140 coupe. 

Rick


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[MBZ] 1971 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel $1300

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Could be a reasonable project

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/640437533413173/

1971 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel
Raleigh, NC· about a day ago 
· 


$1,300

 * About This Vehicle

 *
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 o Driven 67,000 miles
 *
 o

 o Manual transmission
 *
 o

 o Exterior color: Blue · Interior color: Blue
 *
 o

 o Very good condition
   

Seller's Description

1971 mercedes 220 diesel project car is in great condition engine is new 
never run new clutch 4 speed call for details [hidden information] bill 
of sale will be given Less 



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[MBZ] Armored car! Has armored glass and body.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Probably degraded wiring.  Price is excessive.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/620809828765742/

1995 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Charleston, SC· 2 days ago 
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$3,000

 * About This Vehicle

 *
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 o Driven 137,250 miles
 *
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 o Automatic transmission
 *
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 o Exterior color: Blue · Interior color: Tan
 *
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 o Fair condition
   

Seller's Description

Armored car! Has armored glass and body. Needs engine repair. Was told 
it needs new throttle body or actuator. Will need to be towed to 
mechanic! Driver and passenger seats have cracked leather. Backseat in 
good condition. Sold As Is! Pick up James Island Less 




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Re: [MBZ] Crab landing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Please explain crab landing.

https://youtu.be/roS6oFjCDhc

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes overheating in my 90 300D 2.5t (now Dimitri's) was cured by a new fan
clutch.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:39 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>  If the engine fan is working and its 75F and its overheating you've got
> some other problem(s). The aux fans should be unneeded in those conditions.
> I agree that a thermostat would be one of my first things to test. The car
> has sat awhile no? I'd probably swap the coolant too.
> Angie's Golf had a mystery coolant leak only discovered when my TDI guru
> used a pressure tester. Perhaps you're loosing pressure somewhere, a
> cracked tank maybe?
> I drove 2 different 190Ds with bad fan clutches, those use an electric
> clutch. In each case the car was fine as long as it didn't have to sit in
> heavy traffic. The second car had a working aux fan so it'd just cycle up
> to 105F, the fan would come on and bring it down, then it would cycle back
> up. The first car I had to be dammed careful in heavy traffic...
> -Curt
>
> On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 1:59:59 AM EDT, Curley McLain via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Yes, the belt driven fan is whirring away nicely, otherwise, it would be
> dead in the water in about 200 yards. (or suffer an engine meltdown if
> you didn't stop)  It keeps the temp from getting abouve ~105º C.
>
> This one is different in that the front of the radiator is blocked by a
> front shroud, except for the 2 electric fans.  apparently they are
> supposed to run at one speed for normal driving and at a higher speed
> for running with the air cond. on.   When they are stopped, they block
> the airflow to the radiator even more.
>
> That is why I have to find out how to get them to run as they are
> supposed to.
>
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 12:25 AM:
> > Stupid question. Is the fan clutch working?
> > You would be amazed at the difference a working vs. non-working fan
> clutch can make. Most folks think that above 30 mph, the fan has no impact,
> but I can tell you with first hand experience, that is not true.
> >
> > Rick
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT no politics but observation on situation

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Third Floydsby sez:

>In early 2021 there will be a spike in births and they will be called 
>Covidians.


That and/or a spike in divorces when couples have been quarantined together for 
two or three weeks and realize the contempt they have for one another. 

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[MBZ] OffT: Airplane pR0n

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/meet-the-ilyushin-il-102-the-most-gorgeously-ugly-comb-1601030964

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[MBZ] OffT I wanna be this guy

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://jalopnik.com/man-builds-incredible-custom-super-bronco-by-welding-a-1842127571

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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

SO maybe we should do the same?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:59 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Chinese: It is amazing what you can do when there are NO EPA, FDA, safety
> controls, and human life is conveniently expendable for the communist good,
> as dictated by those in power...
>
> "Testing,, we don't need no stinking testing... we try it and that's the
> test. We have to many people anyway, so no one will miss a few thousand if
> it doesn't work..."
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:17 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Chinese say they have had preliminary success with a combination of an
> > anti-malarial drug and drugs that have successfully suppressed AIDS.
> > Gerry
> > ...
> > On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:06:47 + (UTC)
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > > Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for
> > testing.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/
> > >
> > >
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston SC
> > >
> > > Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > >:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of
> > the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President
> > Donald Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within
> the
> > next year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of
> months
> > better.”
> > > >
> > > > But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of
> > months, and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit,
> > director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of
> > Philadelphia, is the co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took
> roughly
> > 26 years to perfect that protection against a disease that, according to
> > the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for
> > severe diarrhea in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
> > > >
> > > > Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
> > months?
> > > >
> > > > Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested
> > in making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple
> > months ago. That’s not long.
> > > >
> > > > [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what
> > approach you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model
> > testing to make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in
> > animals, and that it induces an immune response which would likely be
> > protective. Then you gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s
> safe,
> > and then to make sure that it induces an immune response. That takes
> time,
> > a lot of time, typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put
> it
> > into people to see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
> > > >
> > > > In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola
> > outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental
> > vaccine very quickly.
> > > >
> > > > I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in
> West
> > Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within
> weeks,
> > people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
> > > >
> > > > But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
> > vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
> > the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
> > > >
> > > > But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
> > scratch.
> > > >
> > > > What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a
> vaccine
> > will be available?
> > > >
> > > > I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
> > infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types
> of]
> > coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
> > > >
> > > > But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS,
> > and now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come
> and
> > gone.
> > > >
> > > > I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
> > different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
> > And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
> > quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
> > they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
> > virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
> > respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
> > of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have
> the
> > same 

Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Roughly 80C at the fan clutch I think.  Might be a bit warmer, but well below 
"overheat" on the temp gauge.

I think I've replaced three over the years.  
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Re: [MBZ] Crab landing

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Please explain crab landing.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:24 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Those are the most fun - require more focus and skill.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:10 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> > Had to make a crab landing into Tulsa. The beer virus didn’t get me, or
> at
> > least I won’t know for many days.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Photography Assignment OR Mercedes 1963 220SB Fintail W111 - For Parts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I saw the photos and the location and immediately knew it wasn’t in LA. It’s 
out in Antelope Valley.

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> This clown looks like he is submitting a photography assignment not making a 
> Craigslist ad. 
> 
> Bob R
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>> Date: March 14, 2020 at 8:48:21 AM MST
>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>> Subject: Mercedes 1963 220SB Fintail W111 - For Parts
>> 
>> 
>> azbob...@gmail.com forwarded you this from craigslist:
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>> Mercedes 1963 220SB Fintail W111 - For Parts
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[MBZ] Photography Assignment OR Mercedes 1963 220SB Fintail W111 - For Parts

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

This clown looks like he is submitting a photography assignment not making a 
Craigslist ad. 

Bob R

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 80C at the fan itself though right? I was under the impression that the 
viscous fan clutch requires itself to get hot to operate.
-Curt

On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 10:43:59 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Are you sure the fan clutch kicks on at 80? I thought the thermostat didn’t 
even start opening till 80 or so and was not fully opened till warmer than 
that. 

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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> The fan clutch kicks in around 80C and should keep you at normal operating 
> temp unless you have the AC on, in which case as long as there is high 
> temperature on the high pressure side of the compressor the fans will run at 
> low speed.
> 
> They should NOT be on in normal driving.
> 
> You have a bad fan clutch -- easy to test.  With the engine warm enough for 
> the clutch to be engaged you should hear it roaring and when the engine is 
> shut of it should stop within a second or two.  On startup cold you should 
> hear it run for a few seconds as the clutch fluid spins out of the plates.
> 
> If it's not pushing quite a bit of air with a warm engine, it's dead and 
> needs to be replaced.
> 
> Been there a number of times, probably 90% of your trouble is a dead visco 
> clutch.
> 
> The rest of it is either a bad ground or a bad electric fan motor or two.  
> Since they both run it's not the last issue, something stuck in them to 
> prevent rotation.
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Re: [MBZ] happy π (Pi) day 3.14

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My friend's birthday is today!  She is a π girl!

--FT

On 3/14/20 11:24 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Happy π day to one and all!

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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 If the engine fan is working and its 75F and its overheating you've got some 
other problem(s). The aux fans should be unneeded in those conditions.
I agree that a thermostat would be one of my first things to test. The car has 
sat awhile no? I'd probably swap the coolant too.
Angie's Golf had a mystery coolant leak only discovered when my TDI guru used a 
pressure tester. Perhaps you're loosing pressure somewhere, a cracked tank 
maybe?
I drove 2 different 190Ds with bad fan clutches, those use an electric clutch. 
In each case the car was fine as long as it didn't have to sit in heavy 
traffic. The second car had a working aux fan so it'd just cycle up to 105F, 
the fan would come on and bring it down, then it would cycle back up. The first 
car I had to be dammed careful in heavy traffic...
-Curt

On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 1:59:59 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, the belt driven fan is whirring away nicely, otherwise, it would be 
dead in the water in about 200 yards. (or suffer an engine meltdown if 
you didn't stop)  It keeps the temp from getting abouve ~105º C.

This one is different in that the front of the radiator is blocked by a 
front shroud, except for the 2 electric fans.  apparently they are 
supposed to run at one speed for normal driving and at a higher speed 
for running with the air cond. on.   When they are stopped, they block 
the airflow to the radiator even more.

That is why I have to find out how to get them to run as they are 
supposed to.

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 12:25 AM:
> Stupid question. Is the fan clutch working?
> You would be amazed at the difference a working vs. non-working fan clutch 
> can make. Most folks think that above 30 mph, the fan has no impact, but I 
> can tell you with first hand experience, that is not true.
>
> Rick
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The beauty of a pickup is you can peekup the bed...
-Curt

On Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:42:07 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 but I believe you have to drop the tank to change the pump.   at least 
you have to on GM peekups and grand caravans.   (or you could cut a hole 
in the floor above it.) not a fun job.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 8:29 PM:
> A truck of that year would not have DEF. I think that started around 2012 for 
> Ram. Duramax had it in 2011
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[MBZ] happy π (Pi) day 3.14

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Happy π day to one and all!

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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

On that engine, the t-stat starts to open at 85. They run a little hotter than 
earlier engines.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 14, 2020 10:43:59 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Are you sure the fan clutch kicks on at 80? I thought the thermostat didn’t 
> even start opening till 80 or so and was not fully opened till warmer than 
> that.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > The fan clutch kicks in around 80C and should keep you at normal operating 
> > temp unless you have the AC on, in which case as long as there is high 
> > temperature on the high pressure side of the compressor the fans will run 
> > at low speed.
> > 
> > They should NOT be on in normal driving.
> > 
> > You have a bad fan clutch -- easy to test. With the engine warm enough for 
> > the clutch to be engaged you should hear it roaring and when the engine is 
> > shut of it should stop within a second or two. On startup cold you should 
> > hear it run for a few seconds as the clutch fluid spins out of the plates.
> > 
> > If it's not pushing quite a bit of air with a warm engine, it's dead and 
> > needs to be replaced.
> > 
> > Been there a number of times, probably 90% of your trouble is a dead visco 
> > clutch.
> > 
> > The rest of it is either a bad ground or a bad electric fan motor or two. 
> > Since they both run it's not the last issue, something stuck in them to 
> > prevent rotation.
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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You have the beer virus 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve had one for about the last month, but I would attribute it to the oak 
>> pollen that blankets the area this time of year. The ML is parked outside, 
>> and it’s got a thick film of yellow dust all over it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmmm, seems like there were lots of people on the planes with a dry cough. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Mar 14, 2020, at 2:13 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
 
 Reports I'm seeing thus far on Corona virus is that it attacks the actual
 lung tissue and destroys it , were Swine Flu caused congestion and mucous
 which could be Coughed up Covid 19 has a dry cough.. no fluids, while
 the lung itself dissolves and you drown from lack of lung function.
 
 Significant different infection vectors in play, in comparison. Presuming
 what I'm seeing is factual and accurate. Which would match the reports that
 say smokers [damaged lung tissue already] are much more likely to be hit
 harder.. or die.
 
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:57 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> As the Klingons say:  "It is a good day to..."
> 
> Quit smoking!
> 
> One thing the mediaocrats have failed is to hype the fact that those
> with smoke damaged lungs are more likely to die from the mexican beer
> virus.   So they should all be hyping the sheeple to quit smoking
> NOW!The fact that they aren't is yet another indication of the
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> 
> Or  "The media wants ALL smokers to DIE!" Oh, the percentage
> of smokers is higher in asia and some other countries. RACIST!  
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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

You have the beer virus 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve had one for about the last month, but I would attribute it to the oak 
> pollen that blankets the area this time of year. The ML is parked outside, 
> and it’s got a thick film of yellow dust all over it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm, seems like there were lots of people on the planes with a dry cough. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 14, 2020, at 2:13 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Reports I'm seeing thus far on Corona virus is that it attacks the actual
>>> lung tissue and destroys it , were Swine Flu caused congestion and mucous
>>> which could be Coughed up Covid 19 has a dry cough.. no fluids, while
>>> the lung itself dissolves and you drown from lack of lung function.
>>> 
>>> Significant different infection vectors in play, in comparison. Presuming
>>> what I'm seeing is factual and accurate. Which would match the reports that
>>> say smokers [damaged lung tissue already] are much more likely to be hit
>>> harder.. or die.
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:57 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 As the Klingons say:  "It is a good day to..."
 
 Quit smoking!
 
 One thing the mediaocrats have failed is to hype the fact that those
 with smoke damaged lungs are more likely to die from the mexican beer
 virus.   So they should all be hyping the sheeple to quit smoking
 NOW!The fact that they aren't is yet another indication of the
 insincerity of their efforts.
 
 Or  "The media wants ALL smokers to DIE!" Oh, the percentage
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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve had one for about the last month, but I would attribute it to the oak 
pollen that blankets the area this time of year. The ML is parked outside, and 
it’s got a thick film of yellow dust all over it.

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, seems like there were lots of people on the planes with a dry cough. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2020, at 2:13 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Reports I'm seeing thus far on Corona virus is that it attacks the actual
>> lung tissue and destroys it , were Swine Flu caused congestion and mucous
>> which could be Coughed up Covid 19 has a dry cough.. no fluids, while
>> the lung itself dissolves and you drown from lack of lung function.
>> 
>> Significant different infection vectors in play, in comparison. Presuming
>> what I'm seeing is factual and accurate. Which would match the reports that
>> say smokers [damaged lung tissue already] are much more likely to be hit
>> harder.. or die.
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:57 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As the Klingons say:  "It is a good day to..."
>>> 
>>> Quit smoking!
>>> 
>>> One thing the mediaocrats have failed is to hype the fact that those
>>> with smoke damaged lungs are more likely to die from the mexican beer
>>> virus.   So they should all be hyping the sheeple to quit smoking
>>> NOW!The fact that they aren't is yet another indication of the
>>> insincerity of their efforts.
>>> 
>>> Or  "The media wants ALL smokers to DIE!" Oh, the percentage
>>> of smokers is higher in asia and some other countries. RACIST!  
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Are you sure the fan clutch kicks on at 80? I thought the thermostat didn’t 
even start opening till 80 or so and was not fully opened till warmer than 
that. 

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The fan clutch kicks in around 80C and should keep you at normal operating 
> temp unless you have the AC on, in which case as long as there is high 
> temperature on the high pressure side of the compressor the fans will run at 
> low speed.
> 
> They should NOT be on in normal driving.
> 
> You have a bad fan clutch -- easy to test.  With the engine warm enough for 
> the clutch to be engaged you should hear it roaring and when the engine is 
> shut of it should stop within a second or two.  On startup cold you should 
> hear it run for a few seconds as the clutch fluid spins out of the plates.
> 
> If it's not pushing quite a bit of air with a warm engine, it's dead and 
> needs to be replaced.
> 
> Been there a number of times, probably 90% of your trouble is a dead visco 
> clutch.
> 
> The rest of it is either a bad ground or a bad electric fan motor or two.  
> Since they both run it's not the last issue, something stuck in them to 
> prevent rotation.
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Re: [MBZ] Quit Smoking!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Hmmm, seems like there were lots of people on the planes with a dry cough. 

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 2:13 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Reports I'm seeing thus far on Corona virus is that it attacks the actual
> lung tissue and destroys it , were Swine Flu caused congestion and mucous
> which could be Coughed up Covid 19 has a dry cough.. no fluids, while
> the lung itself dissolves and you drown from lack of lung function.
> 
> Significant different infection vectors in play, in comparison. Presuming
> what I'm seeing is factual and accurate. Which would match the reports that
> say smokers [damaged lung tissue already] are much more likely to be hit
> harder.. or die.
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:57 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> As the Klingons say:  "It is a good day to..."
>> 
>> Quit smoking!
>> 
>> One thing the mediaocrats have failed is to hype the fact that those
>> with smoke damaged lungs are more likely to die from the mexican beer
>> virus.   So they should all be hyping the sheeple to quit smoking
>> NOW!The fact that they aren't is yet another indication of the
>> insincerity of their efforts.
>> 
>> Or  "The media wants ALL smokers to DIE!" Oh, the percentage
>> of smokers is higher in asia and some other countries. RACIST!  
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Re: [MBZ] Oily film in the air filter pan

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes that is normal. No you can’t wash the filter, it must be replaced. 

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> On Mar 14, 2020, at 12:44 AM, Euan Kennedy via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Gentlemen, and others
> 
> Hello again from the Antipodes. It’s been a while.
> 
> I’m on a mission to get my 300TD engine clattering like new again. 
> 
> Tell me, should I expect to find a film of oil on the floor of my air filter 
> canister? It’s not a pond, only a film. And it’s confined to the inner 
> circumference of the filter. Is this normal?
> 
> While in the canister, can an OEM air filter be washed to remove debris and 
> dust? My filter has done only 25,000 miles but it looks a bit cruddy. 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Euan
> 
> W123 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
> 223K miles
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The VP44, fragile little snowflake that it is, is not used in 2003+ (?) 
common-rail engines.

-- Jim (smug P7100 owner)


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Re: [MBZ] OT no politics but observation on situation

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nice. Just like the spike after blizzards and blackouts.

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 10:02 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In early 2021 there will be a spike in births and they will be called 
> Covidians. 
> 
> --FT
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