Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In germany, the trains are clean, well maintained, and run on time, with 
efficient and courteous staff.


In Italy, the trains run, mostly, except when they don't.  I am not 
being critical,  It is a cultural difference, and I love both, because 
they ARE different.
One shortline haul, from Foggia to Metaponto and points eastward is a 
case in point.   The train was late leaving, ran maybe 40-60 miles and 
stopped.  Not at a station.   After a while, the train crew were 
standing beside the cab of the engine, with a dirty (well used) manual 
and having what I call an Italian conversation.  Each pointing to one or 
the other, or the book, with other hands flailing, voices alternately 
raised or lowered, each passionately arguing his point.   then one to 
three would disappear, then they'd reconvene and carry on the 
troubleshooting conversation.   Eventually they got the locomotive 
started, and we arrived at dark.  were were 6-8 hours late on a 1.5 to 2 
hour trainride.  The taxis had all gone home.   The van that was 
supposed to meet us had left.  Nobody spoke english.   we could not call 
because we did not have an italian phone card.  We had not been able to 
get lire yet, we had only DM or Pounds.  Finally the last man left at 
the station waiting for his ride took pity on us, and loaned us his 
phone card.  He was not an Italian.   with his broken Italian and our 
English we determined that he was an "Alb" and we figured out we knew 
that as albanian.   We thanked him for his kindness and tried to offer 
DM but he refused.    I absolutely love Italy and Italians, but they do 
not think or act like Germans ot English or Americans.   Others have 
already mentioned the interaction and closeness, but there are other 
cultural differences too, as I have attempted to point out in this 
experience.


The week in Southern Italy is one of the highlights of my life.


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 10:29 PM:

2 reasons:
1) The Chinese are lying about everything to do with this disease
2) the disease has overwhelmed the ability of the medical system to deal with 
the afflicted

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 15, 2020, at 10:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote:

What I don’t understand about Italy is why their mortality rate from this 
disease is over 7%. I get how they have an older population but still. Very 
scary.





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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

2 reasons:
1) The Chinese are lying about everything to do with this disease 
2) the disease has overwhelmed the ability of the medical system to deal with 
the afflicted 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 10:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What I don’t understand about Italy is why their mortality rate from this 
> disease is over 7%. I get how they have an older population but still. Very 
> scary.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You're exactly right Curt, Italians are much more affectionate, and their 
>> idea of personal space is much closer than ours.
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> Mar 15, 2020 8:22:51 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :
>> 
>>> Italy is a very different country from the USA and I find it difficult to 
>>> draw any conclusions on how things will be here based on there. They have 
>>> very little "country" or at least the way we think of it. Even out in the 
>>> hinterlands people are packed into villages and interact with each other 
>>> much more closely than we do here.
>>> 
>>> They also touch each other WAY more than we do. When we were there last 
>>> spring people we'd just met were hugging us and kissing our cheeks in a way 
>>> we'd only do for close family or friends here.
>>> 
>>> Interesting times anyway...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
 On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:56:07 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I should say that I/we will be very happy to be proven incorrect, but Italy
>>> is up to 1800 deaths from 25000 cases, which is much higher than China's
>>> reported figures.
>>> 
>>> This guy is pretty close to the coal face:
>>> 
>>> https://youtu.be/9mrPHO-nkVE
>>> 
 On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 
 Thanks, Karl. We appreciate your candor.
 
 Dan
 
 
> On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> 
> Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
> sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is
> 
 saying.
 
> My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
> respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage patients
> without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
> tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle are
> reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.
> 
> The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in putting
> appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the biggest
> failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already being
> used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then was
> flawed, and now has reagent shortages.
> 
> The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on demand. It
> enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and implement
> appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where each
> public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there
> 
 has
 
> been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
> intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
> taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
> processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested, you
> know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
> spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being
> 
 implemented
 
> in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and the
> suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
> severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is early
> and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of
> 
 the
 
> infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
> reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are good
> reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
> containment measures are taken.
> 
> If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
> there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals may
> 
 be
 
> unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter the
> cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc
> 
 would
 
> all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources). Italy is
> in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We
> 
 are
 
> not accustomed to having to make tough , 

Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes higher than China, & S. Korea

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:01 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What I don’t understand about Italy is why their mortality rate from this
> disease is over 7%. I get how they have an older population but still. Very
> scary.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > You're exactly right Curt, Italians are much more affectionate, and
> their idea of personal space is much closer than ours.
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Mar 15, 2020 8:22:51 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  >:
> >
> >> Italy is a very different country from the USA and I find it difficult
> to draw any conclusions on how things will be here based on there. They
> have very little "country" or at least the way we think of it. Even out in
> the hinterlands people are packed into villages and interact with each
> other much more closely than we do here.
> >>
> >> They also touch each other WAY more than we do. When we were there
> last spring people we'd just met were hugging us and kissing our cheeks in
> a way we'd only do for close family or friends here.
> >>
> >> Interesting times anyway...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:56:07 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I should say that I/we will be very happy to be proven incorrect, but
> Italy
> >> is up to 1800 deaths from 25000 cases, which is much higher than China's
> >> reported figures.
> >>
> >> This guy is pretty close to the coal face:
> >>
> >> https://youtu.be/9mrPHO-nkVE
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Karl. We appreciate your candor.
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> 
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
>  sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is
> 
> >>> saying.
> >>>
>  My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
>  respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage
> patients
>  without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
>  tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle
> are
>  reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.
> 
>  The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in
> putting
>  appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the
> biggest
>  failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already
> being
>  used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then
> was
>  flawed, and now has reagent shortages.
> 
>  The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on
> demand. It
>  enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and
> implement
>  appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where
> each
>  public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there
> 
> >>> has
> >>>
>  been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
>  intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
>  taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
>  processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested,
> you
>  know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
>  spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being
> 
> >>> implemented
> >>>
>  in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and
> the
>  suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
>  severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is
> early
>  and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of
> 
> >>> the
> >>>
>  infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
>  reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are
> good
>  reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
>  containment measures are taken.
> 
>  If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
>  there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals
> may
> 
> >>> be
> >>>
>  unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter
> the
>  cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc
> 
> >>> would
> >>>
>  all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources).
> Italy is
>  in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We
> 
> >>> are
> >>>
>  not accustomed to having to make tough , 

Re: [MBZ] Holy crap

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The LKQ in MD no longer sells pre-1990 parts.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 9:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Its at LKQ so no rescuing it.
>
> On 3/15/2020 8:41 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
> > So rescue it.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 6:46 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > The local LKQ has a 72 350SL euro with manny tranny, manual windows
> > etc.  Looks pretty darn nice.  It is unbelievable it ended up at
> > the pnp.
> >
> > 10704310014645
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Crackhead in Max’s hood

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A pretty and somewhat rare color (dark blue) is probably worth a grand.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 9:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is crackhead.
>
> On 3/15/2020 8:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/815254258979433/
> >
> > 1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 300D Sedan 4D
> > $5500
> >
> > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

What I don’t understand about Italy is why their mortality rate from this 
disease is over 7%. I get how they have an older population but still. Very 
scary.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> You're exactly right Curt, Italians are much more affectionate, and their 
> idea of personal space is much closer than ours.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Mar 15, 2020 8:22:51 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :
> 
>> Italy is a very different country from the USA and I find it difficult to 
>> draw any conclusions on how things will be here based on there. They have 
>> very little "country" or at least the way we think of it. Even out in the 
>> hinterlands people are packed into villages and interact with each other 
>> much more closely than we do here.
>> 
>> They also touch each other WAY more than we do. When we were there last 
>> spring people we'd just met were hugging us and kissing our cheeks in a way 
>> we'd only do for close family or friends here.
>> 
>> Interesting times anyway...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:56:07 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I should say that I/we will be very happy to be proven incorrect, but Italy
>> is up to 1800 deaths from 25000 cases, which is much higher than China's
>> reported figures.
>> 
>> This guy is pretty close to the coal face:
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/9mrPHO-nkVE
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Karl. We appreciate your candor.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
 
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 
 Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
 sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is
 
>>> saying.
>>> 
 My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
 respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage patients
 without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
 tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle are
 reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.
 
 The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in putting
 appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the biggest
 failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already being
 used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then was
 flawed, and now has reagent shortages.
 
 The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on demand. It
 enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and implement
 appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where each
 public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there
 
>>> has
>>> 
 been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
 intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
 taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
 processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested, you
 know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
 spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being
 
>>> implemented
>>> 
 in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and the
 suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
 severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is early
 and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of
 
>>> the
>>> 
 infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
 reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are good
 reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
 containment measures are taken.
 
 If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
 there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals may
 
>>> be
>>> 
 unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter the
 cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc
 
>>> would
>>> 
 all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources). Italy is
 in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We
 
>>> are
>>> 
 not accustomed to having to make tough , resource constrained decisions
 about which patient to save. Of course 80% of patients will be able to
 
>>> ride
>>> 
 it out without hospitalization, but that isnt setting a very high bar by
 any modern healthcare standard.
 
 Comparing annualized incidence numbers of influenza fatalities to a novel
 disease with an epidemic in its infancy is obviously not meaningful 

Re: [MBZ] Holy crap

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Its at LKQ so no rescuing it.

On 3/15/2020 8:41 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

So rescue it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 6:46 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


The local LKQ has a 72 350SL euro with manny tranny, manual windows
etc.  Looks pretty darn nice.  It is unbelievable it ended up at
the pnp.

10704310014645


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Re: [MBZ] Holy crap

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

So rescue it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 6:46 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The local LKQ has a 72 350SL euro with manny tranny, manual windows
> etc.  Looks pretty darn nice.  It is unbelievable it ended up at the pnp.
>
> 10704310014645
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Re: [MBZ] Crackhead in Max’s hood

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is crackhead.

On 3/15/2020 8:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/815254258979433/

1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 300D Sedan 4D
$5500

--FT
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[MBZ] Crackhead in Max’s hood

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/815254258979433/

1995 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 300D Sedan 4D
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Re: [MBZ] Video - was: Ok y’all **it just got real

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> I also have to help Angie work out how to give online tai-chi classes. 

> ...I suggested we at least try it her way first. Then I
> offered extra lights and a microphone. We'll see...

The quickest, cheapest way to improve a video is to close mic the
talent.  Then get light on their face.

If you are going to bother doing it - at least do a fair job!  

My opinion (well documented at NOT being the least effort, or the
fastest...)

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[MBZ] Fwd: Now live: 30% Off & Special Price for Health Providers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just got this a few minutes ago. How can we leverage this Covid-19 thing?

-D

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Wholesale Cabinets 
> Subject: Now live: 30% Off & Special Price for Health Providers
> Date: March 15, 2020 at 7:32:01 PM EDT
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

You're exactly right Curt, Italians are much more affectionate, and their idea 
of personal space is much closer than ours.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 15, 2020 8:22:51 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> Italy is a very different country from the USA and I find it difficult to 
> draw any conclusions on how things will be here based on there. They have 
> very little "country" or at least the way we think of it. Even out in the 
> hinterlands people are packed into villages and interact with each other much 
> more closely than we do here.
> 
> They also touch each other WAY more than we do. When we were there last 
> spring people we'd just met were hugging us and kissing our cheeks in a way 
> we'd only do for close family or friends here.
> 
> Interesting times anyway...
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:56:07 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I should say that I/we will be very happy to be proven incorrect, but Italy
> is up to 1800 deaths from 25000 cases, which is much higher than China's
> reported figures.
> 
> This guy is pretty close to the coal face:
> 
> https://youtu.be/9mrPHO-nkVE
> 
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Thanks, Karl. We appreciate your candor.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > > On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > > 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
> > > sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is
> > > 
> > saying.
> > 
> > > My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
> > > respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage patients
> > > without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
> > > tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle are
> > > reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.
> > > 
> > > The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in putting
> > > appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the biggest
> > > failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already being
> > > used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then was
> > > flawed, and now has reagent shortages.
> > > 
> > > The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on demand. It
> > > enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and implement
> > > appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where each
> > > public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there
> > > 
> > has
> > 
> > > been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
> > > intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
> > > taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
> > > processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested, you
> > > know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
> > > spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being
> > > 
> > implemented
> > 
> > > in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and the
> > > suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
> > > severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is early
> > > and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of
> > > 
> > the
> > 
> > > infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
> > > reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are good
> > > reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
> > > containment measures are taken.
> > > 
> > > If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
> > > there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals may
> > > 
> > be
> > 
> > > unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter the
> > > cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc
> > > 
> > would
> > 
> > > all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources). Italy is
> > > in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We
> > > 
> > are
> > 
> > > not accustomed to having to make tough , resource constrained decisions
> > > about which patient to save. Of course 80% of patients will be able to
> > > 
> > ride
> > 
> > > it out without hospitalization, but that isnt setting a very high bar by
> > > any modern healthcare standard.
> > > 
> > > Comparing annualized incidence numbers of influenza fatalities to a novel
> > > disease with an epidemic in its infancy is obviously not meaningful due
> > > 
> > to
> > 
> > > the fact that this is only weeks old and good prevalence/incidence data
> > > 
> > for
> > 
> > > covid 19 is simply lacking in the general population. We do know that it
> > > can put enough people into respiratory 

Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

no.  no free play

Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 6:24 PM:

Thanks -- I checked out a couple of videos on Youtube. Looks like outer
end is easy. Inner requries Ford special tool to remove, or dropping the
lower control arm for access and then using a pipe wrench.

Definitely need to do the outer on the right side. Not sure how to tell
on the inner since you can't really see it. Should there be ANY free
play if I pull/push the wheel from side to side?

Allan





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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I'm not allowing myself to give in and go to the shops repeatedly. We have 
"enough" in fact in some stuff we've probably got too much, Angie spent some 
time cleaning out stuff we don't eat recently.
Its easy to say "I'll just get a little more" and make yourself crazy...
-Curt

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 8:19:39 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m giving some serious thought to going out early tomorrow morning and 
swinging by our local farmer’s market that opens at 4:30 am to see what’s there.

They have a massive cold section with tons of fresh and frozen meat. I’m 
wondering what they have, and if there are any shortages. These are the same 
guys that supply many of the local restaurants, too.

Hmm. May have to turn in shortly.

-D


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Italy is a very different country from the USA and I find it difficult to draw 
any conclusions on how things will be here based on there. They have very 
little "country" or at least the way we think of it. Even out in the 
hinterlands people are packed into villages and interact with each other much 
more closely than we do here. 

They also touch each other WAY more than we do. When we were there last 
spring people we'd just met were hugging us and kissing our cheeks in a way 
we'd only do for close family or friends here. 

Interesting times anyway...
-Curt

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:56:07 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I should say that I/we will be very happy to be proven incorrect, but Italy
is up to 1800 deaths from 25000 cases, which is much higher than China's
reported figures.

This guy is pretty close to the coal face:

https://youtu.be/9mrPHO-nkVE

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Karl. We appreciate your candor.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
> > sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is
> saying.
> > My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
> > respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage patients
> > without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
> > tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle are
> > reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.
> >
> > The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in putting
> > appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the biggest
> > failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already being
> > used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then was
> > flawed, and now has reagent shortages.
> >
> > The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on demand. It
> > enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and implement
> > appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where each
> > public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there
> has
> > been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
> > intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
> > taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
> > processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested, you
> > know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
> > spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being
> implemented
> > in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and the
> > suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
> > severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is early
> > and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of
> the
> > infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
> > reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are good
> > reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
> > containment measures are taken.
> >
> > If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
> > there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals may
> be
> > unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter the
> > cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc
> would
> > all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources). Italy is
> > in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We
> are
> > not accustomed to having to make tough , resource constrained decisions
> > about which patient to save. Of course 80% of patients will be able to
> ride
> > it out without hospitalization, but that isnt setting a very high bar by
> > any modern healthcare standard.
> >
> > Comparing annualized incidence numbers of influenza fatalities to a novel
> > disease with an epidemic in its infancy is obviously not meaningful due
> to
> > the fact that this is only weeks old and good prevalence/incidence data
> for
> > covid 19 is simply lacking in the general population. We do know that it
> > can put enough people into respiratory failure rapidly enough to overload
> > the hospital system of a fairly advanced industrial democracy. How big a
> > problem that is depends upon whether you or your loved one are a patient
> or
> > not, and how many people have friends or family members who end up being
> > hospitalized or dying during this epidemic, for any reason. Your
> likelihood
> > of being in that group depends in part upon how long the system remains
> in
> > a resource constrained mode of operation, and upon how large the mismatch
> > is. The 

Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m giving some serious thought to going out early tomorrow morning and 
swinging by our local farmer’s market that opens at 4:30 am to see what’s there.

They have a massive cold section with tons of fresh and frozen meat. I’m 
wondering what they have, and if there are any shortages. These are the same 
guys that supply many of the local restaurants, too.

Hmm. May have to turn in shortly.

-D

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Which reminds me, we went to the food Co-op in Keene, NH last night. No 
> shortages of anything that I could see although I did forget to check on TP. 
> We did buy the only can of whipped cream but I think that was a "we're too 
> good for canned whip cream" thing. Not many people in there and the streets 
> of Keene were dead which is unsurprising in a college town where the college 
> is shut.
> Peeked at the grocery store this morning after breakfast, it was packed at 
> 9am, we just headed on by.
> 
> Next weekend is the "sausage party" where we turn last fall's accumulated 
> venison bits into sausage. The guys are already griping about "shortages". 
> They won't like what it costs to buy at the co-op but stuff is available...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 9:06:45 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m like a lot of the group, barely on the fringe of the high risk tier. I 
> walk 2-3 miles daily at least and do a fair amount of physical activity, get 
> plenty of sleep and take 1000mg of C daily. I could eat better, but I think I 
> do fairly well in that area. I’m not concerned about myself at this point, 
> but I am concerned about others around me…
> 
> The neighborhood had a big gathering yesterday that went well into the 
> evening. I stayed away, but the wife, who is a social butterfly, was there 
> almost the whole time. I’m still trying to understand the logic behind food 
> anxiety one day and the inability to avoid crowds as directed by the CDC the 
> next. I’m not bringing up the topics unless they come up, as I’m sure it will 
> end poorly…
> 
> -D who just finished hauling and spreading 10 - 4 CF bags of cypress mulch 
> around the yard. And it’s only 9:00 am! Plenty of time for more fun!
> 
> > On Mar 15, 2020, at 2:00 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Andrew sez:
> > 
> >> since I am in the vulnerable age
> > 
> > I would suspect that you are in quite good aerobic health, Andrew. Racket 
> > ball would seem to be a good sport for athletic conditioning. 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yikes. I like cats, but I only have one, and she’s 16 years old. A rescue the 
wife picked up on the side of the road in a thunderstorm. Weighed .8 lbs. when 
she was rescued, vet said she’d be unlikely to live more than a day or two.

16 years later, she’s still here. Feisty yet lovable. Used to give the other 
three purebred (Chartreux) cats we had pure hell as well as the wife’s former 
Shitzu. Definitely a cat raised on the streets, outlived the others and 
probably has another good 3-6 years.

-D

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:06 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, I have no problem reaching the free shipping threshold.  I 
> have 5 house cats plus 12 rescues that live outside and in the "barn" (where 
> I have the mini split heat pump).
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
>> Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:57 PM
>> To: Okie Benz 
>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real
>> 
>> I didn’t find them to be competitive for cat related stuff, at least not by 
>> the
>> time I added in shipping. If I ordered enough to hit the free shipping nut I
>> would have been laying in six months of supplies.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been ordering most pet supplies from Chewy (thanks for tip Andrew).  I
>> just checked on my next subscribed order (regular scheduled monthly
>> deliveries) and it showed delayed "out of stock."  So I ordered several 
>> cases of
>> other food that were "in stock."  Within hours I got an email saying to 
>> expect a
>> 3-5 day delay.  Chewy ALWAYS delivered in two days before this.  Not sure
>> what this means but glad I keep a couple weeks of critter food in reserve.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From:  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>> 
>>> Cat litter is scarce around here.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Which reminds me, we went to the food Co-op in Keene, NH last night. No 
shortages of anything that I could see although I did forget to check on TP. We 
did buy the only can of whipped cream but I think that was a "we're too good 
for canned whip cream" thing. Not many people in there and the streets of Keene 
were dead which is unsurprising in a college town where the college is 
shut.Peeked at the grocery store this morning after breakfast, it was packed at 
9am, we just headed on by.
Next weekend is the "sausage party" where we turn last fall's accumulated 
venison bits into sausage. The guys are already griping about "shortages". They 
won't like what it costs to buy at the co-op but stuff is available...

-Curt

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 9:06:45 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m like a lot of the group, barely on the fringe of the high risk tier. I 
walk 2-3 miles daily at least and do a fair amount of physical activity, get 
plenty of sleep and take 1000mg of C daily. I could eat better, but I think I 
do fairly well in that area. I’m not concerned about myself at this point, but 
I am concerned about others around me…

The neighborhood had a big gathering yesterday that went well into the evening. 
I stayed away, but the wife, who is a social butterfly, was there almost the 
whole time. I’m still trying to understand the logic behind food anxiety one 
day and the inability to avoid crowds as directed by the CDC the next. I’m not 
bringing up the topics unless they come up, as I’m sure it will end poorly…

-D who just finished hauling and spreading 10 - 4 CF bags of cypress mulch 
around the yard. And it’s only 9:00 am! Plenty of time for more fun!

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 2:00 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew sez:
> 
>> since I am in the vulnerable age
> 
> I would suspect that you are in quite good aerobic health, Andrew. Racket 
> ball would seem to be a good sport for athletic conditioning. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 It is worth noting that the large majority of people infected have little to 
no problem at all. Symptoms reported are mostly a dry cough and they recover 
quickly.
Reported infection rates will of course rise as testing is done, there are 
probably lots of folks walking around "sick" that don't really know about it.
I think I'm in the minority here being fairly young but I'm really not worried. 
We neglected to go play cards with Angie's grandmother tonight to limit her 
exposure to us, not the other way around.
I'm thinking tomorrow if the weather is nice I might go try to shoot some 
crows. Going shooting on Mondays seems like a nice diversion.
I also have to help Angie work out how to give online tai-chi classes. She 
teaches at a cancer treatment center and, as most of those folks are immuno 
compromised they want to limit contact. She was just going to wing it, but as 
I've got some experience with online classes I suggested we at least try it her 
way first. Then I offered extra lights and a microphone. We'll see...

-Curt

On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 10:21:26 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Floyd,
You raised  a good Dr boy. I think his,advice squares with the best
research & policy i have read. Tinker one of those $500 MB's in the interim.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 10:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am not one to get too exercised about this Covid thing but that might
> have changed.
>
> Dr. Boy (Villanova, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Brown U
> resident Internal Medicine, currently Stanford U Fellow in Pulmonary
> Critical Care) called me a little while ago to check in on my situation. He
> is pretty low key but no bullsh*t. Tells it straight. And he’s pretty smart
> if I do say so...
>
> They have several covid patients at the hospital now. They are preparing
> for an onslaught of more patients the next week or two. Turning ORs and
> other spaces into ICUs right now.  The expectation is that his hospital, as
> well as every other hospital, will be completely overwhelmed before long.
>
> Apparently this is now happening in Italy and is rolling into other EU
> countries though that has not been widely reported. It’s bad. No one
> believes what China are reporting though their draconian measures to
> contain the contagion *might* have helped lower the fatalities. The view is
> that it is really bad there and will likely be so in other places.
>
> The limiting factor will be ventilators to deal with respiratory failure
> or compromise. If (and this could be a big if) you get to the hospital, and
> if they have room, and there are no ventilators and you need one you will
> be SOL. Reality as there is a limited supply of these things and it is not
> large.
>
> He strongly suggested, even though I am quite healthy, that I severely
> limit my interaction with the world.  Even being healthy the chances of
> catching this and having adverse effects are not trivial given the expected
> infection rate and effects.  I am situated as to where that would not be
> too difficult to do, save some occasional trips to the grocery and Lowe’s
> and such. I’m working on my house, getting it ready to sell, so can just
> focus on that rather than social intercourse.
>
> I am digesting this but strongly considering revising my view on all this
> given I absolutely trust the boy, and this is the first time he has been
> this serious about something.
>
> As always, YMMV...
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Win XP needed

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I was able to download an iso of it. Actually just going to do a windows 10 
install then try installing xentry from scratch. I finally was able to get a 
torrent downloading. It’s going to take a while though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know where mine is but it'll take me a couple days to dig it out and, more 
> importantly, find a machine with an optical drive to put it into...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 5:15:57 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anybody have a ISO or something somewhere to download to make a 
> bootable WIN XP installation disk?  I am attempting to restore an
> installation of an Xentry SSD I have on my old system. I am wanting to 
> move that drive to a different computer but get the BSOD everytime I try 
> to boot it.  I think its something to do with drivers or something.  One 
> suggestion was to boot from XP disk, run a few things or try to do a 
> repair install.  I have not been able to locate my install cd since the 
> move 5 years ago.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Unfortunately, I have no problem reaching the free shipping threshold.  I have 
5 house cats plus 12 rescues that live outside and in the "barn" (where I have 
the mini split heat pump).

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:57 PM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real
> 
> I didn’t find them to be competitive for cat related stuff, at least not by 
> the
> time I added in shipping. If I ordered enough to hit the free shipping nut I
> would have been laying in six months of supplies.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Mar 15, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I've been ordering most pet supplies from Chewy (thanks for tip Andrew).  I
> just checked on my next subscribed order (regular scheduled monthly
> deliveries) and it showed delayed "out of stock."  So I ordered several cases 
> of
> other food that were "in stock."  Within hours I got an email saying to 
> expect a
> 3-5 day delay.  Chewy ALWAYS delivered in two days before this.  Not sure
> what this means but glad I keep a couple weeks of critter food in reserve.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From:  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> >
> > Cat litter is scarce around here.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Win XP needed

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I know where mine is but it'll take me a couple days to dig it out and, more 
importantly, find a machine with an optical drive to put it into...

-Curt

On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 5:15:57 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Does anybody have a ISO or something somewhere to download to make a 
bootable WIN XP installation disk?  I am attempting to restore an 
installation of an Xentry SSD I have on my old system. I am wanting to 
move that drive to a different computer but get the BSOD everytime I try 
to boot it.  I think its something to do with drivers or something.  One 
suggestion was to boot from XP disk, run a few things or try to do a 
repair install.  I have not been able to locate my install cd since the 
move 5 years ago.


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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Interesting, yours is a 602 NA?Mine were both 601 and both were electric.
-Curt

On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 4:38:06 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > The 190 had an electric clutch if I remember correctly, while the W124 has 
 > a viscous clutch.


W201's vary.  Ours (diesel) has a visco-clutch.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Air filters - OEM or others?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You most likely won't see a difference in performance or fuel consumption
with different air filters. What you will see is a difference in engine
longevity. Cheap filters usually mean more dirt in the cylinders.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:56 PM Euan Kennedy via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the assurance and advice about my oily air filter canister.
>
> A new OEM filter costs $NZ85.00 at this end of the world. Yikes!
>
> Do I stay with the stock filter or fit a quality filter from another
> maker? Does it make any difference to performance and fuel efficiency?
>
> Which brands do you recommend? Anything else to look out for?
>
> Thanks
>
> Euan
>
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> 223K miles
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The boy says this is worth a listen.  this one is a coupla days old, 
there is a newer one he says.  This doc is a former Stanford surgeon, 
all business no bullshit


https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-peter-attia-drive/id1400828889?i=1000468407666

the boy agrees on the Italy situation, and what is developing elsewhere.

-_FT

On 3/15/20 6:55 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

I should say that I/we will be very happy to be proven incorrect, but Italy
is up to 1800 deaths from 25000 cases, which is much higher than China's
reported figures.

This guy is pretty close to the coal face:

https://youtu.be/9mrPHO-nkVE


--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Thanks -- I checked out a couple of videos on Youtube. Looks like outer
end is easy. Inner requries Ford special tool to remove, or dropping the
lower control arm for access and then using a pipe wrench.

Definitely need to do the outer on the right side. Not sure how to tell
on the inner since you can't really see it. Should there be ANY free
play if I pull/push the wheel from side to side?

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> I had some Focii in the family during a dark period of my life, but I never 
> had to get into the suspension on one, sorry. As you might expect, there are 
> some good forums online.
>
> I believe I used FocusFanatics for reference when necessary.
>
> https://www.focusfanatics.com/forums/
>
> -D
>
>> On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think there's some Ford Focus experience on the list?
>> 
>> Need to replace tie rod end on the boy's 2001. Anything out of the
>> ordinary?
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Air filters - OEM or others?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Euen,

Don't know if you ever see WIX brand  filters there, but they are 
passable.   THe best of the USA brands.


Stay Healthy!

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 5:53 PM:

Mann or Hengst are OE, will work perfectly, and will be significantly cheaper.

Dan





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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I didn’t find them to be competitive for cat related stuff, at least not by the 
time I added in shipping. If I ordered enough to hit the free shipping nut I 
would have been laying in six months of supplies.

-D

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've been ordering most pet supplies from Chewy (thanks for tip Andrew).  I 
> just checked on my next subscribed order (regular scheduled monthly 
> deliveries) and it showed delayed "out of stock."  So I ordered several cases 
> of other food that were "in stock."  Within hours I got an email saying to 
> expect a 3-5 day delay.  Chewy ALWAYS delivered in two days before this.  Not 
> sure what this means but glad I keep a couple weeks of critter food in 
> reserve.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> 
> Cat litter is scarce around here.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Air filters - OEM or others?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Mann, Knecht, or Hengst are preferred, with mann being the most 
trustworthy so far.   We in the US may be seeing fewer german brands 
madein china.  But for now, that is the story.


Euan Kennedy via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 4:55 PM:

Thanks for the assurance and advice about my oily air filter canister.

A new OEM filter costs $NZ85.00 at this end of the world. Yikes!

Do I stay with the stock filter or fit a quality filter from another maker? 
Does it make any difference to performance and fuel efficiency?

Which brands do you recommend? Anything else to look out for?

Thanks

Euan

W123 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
223K miles




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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I should say that I/we will be very happy to be proven incorrect, but Italy
is up to 1800 deaths from 25000 cases, which is much higher than China's
reported figures.

This guy is pretty close to the coal face:

https://youtu.be/9mrPHO-nkVE

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 10:12 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Karl. We appreciate your candor.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
> > sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is
> saying.
> > My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
> > respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage patients
> > without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
> > tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle are
> > reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.
> >
> > The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in putting
> > appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the biggest
> > failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already being
> > used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then was
> > flawed, and now has reagent shortages.
> >
> > The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on demand. It
> > enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and implement
> > appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where each
> > public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there
> has
> > been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
> > intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
> > taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
> > processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested, you
> > know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
> > spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being
> implemented
> > in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and the
> > suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
> > severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is early
> > and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of
> the
> > infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
> > reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are good
> > reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
> > containment measures are taken.
> >
> > If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
> > there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals may
> be
> > unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter the
> > cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc
> would
> > all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources). Italy is
> > in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We
> are
> > not accustomed to having to make tough , resource constrained decisions
> > about which patient to save. Of course 80% of patients will be able to
> ride
> > it out without hospitalization, but that isnt setting a very high bar by
> > any modern healthcare standard.
> >
> > Comparing annualized incidence numbers of influenza fatalities to a novel
> > disease with an epidemic in its infancy is obviously not meaningful due
> to
> > the fact that this is only weeks old and good prevalence/incidence data
> for
> > covid 19 is simply lacking in the general population. We do know that it
> > can put enough people into respiratory failure rapidly enough to overload
> > the hospital system of a fairly advanced industrial democracy. How big a
> > problem that is depends upon whether you or your loved one are a patient
> or
> > not, and how many people have friends or family members who end up being
> > hospitalized or dying during this epidemic, for any reason. Your
> likelihood
> > of being in that group depends in part upon how long the system remains
> in
> > a resource constrained mode of operation, and upon how large the mismatch
> > is. The mismatch between available resources and sick patients on any
> given
> > day depends in large part upon the incidence (new cases per day), which
> is
> > most effectively limited through early control of transmission.  People
> in
> > respiratory failure die fairly quickly, and it would be particularly
> tragic
> > to lose a large number of people due to critical care bed shortages when
> > many patients seem to be able to recover from it given proper supportive
> > measures. Social distancing is going to be a key part of limiting the
> > spread, because there are many cases with mild symptoms who still shed
> the
> > virus. Isolating very sick people is 

Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had some Focii in the family during a dark period of my life, but I never had 
to get into the suspension on one, sorry. As you might expect, there are some 
good forums online.

I believe I used FocusFanatics for reference when necessary.

https://www.focusfanatics.com/forums/

-D

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think there's some Ford Focus experience on the list?
> 
> Need to replace tie rod end on the boy's 2001. Anything out of the
> ordinary?
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Air filters - OEM or others?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mann or Hengst are OE, will work perfectly, and will be significantly cheaper.

Dan

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Euan Kennedy via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the assurance and advice about my oily air filter canister.
> 
> A new OEM filter costs $NZ85.00 at this end of the world. Yikes!
> 
> Do I stay with the stock filter or fit a quality filter from another maker? 
> Does it make any difference to performance and fuel efficiency? 
> 
> Which brands do you recommend? Anything else to look out for?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Euan
> 
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> 223K miles
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[MBZ] Holy crap

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The local LKQ has a 72 350SL euro with manny tranny, manual windows 
etc.  Looks pretty darn nice.  It is unbelievable it ended up at the pnp.


10704310014645


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[MBZ] Air filters - OEM or others?

[Euan Kennedy via Mercedes]

Thanks for the assurance and advice about my oily air filter canister.

A new OEM filter costs $NZ85.00 at this end of the world. Yikes!

Do I stay with the stock filter or fit a quality filter from another maker? 
Does it make any difference to performance and fuel efficiency? 

Which brands do you recommend? Anything else to look out for?

Thanks

Euan

W123 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
223K miles
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[MBZ] OT Ford Focus

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I think there's some Ford Focus experience on the list?

Need to replace tie rod end on the boy's 2001. Anything out of the
ordinary?

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT no politics but observation on situation

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

WE got our form several days ago telling us to go online
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 2:22 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Clay via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Fill out your census forms.  That Census enumerator may be spreading
> disease if he rings your doorbell
>
> Has anyone received forms? I have not heard/seen anything about the
> census. I assumed it would be online this time around, at least
> optionally.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I've been ordering most pet supplies from Chewy (thanks for tip Andrew).  I 
just checked on my next subscribed order (regular scheduled monthly deliveries) 
and it showed delayed "out of stock."  So I ordered several cases of other food 
that were "in stock."  Within hours I got an email saying to expect a 3-5 day 
delay.  Chewy ALWAYS delivered in two days before this.  Not sure what this 
means but glad I keep a couple weeks of critter food in reserve.

-Original Message-
From:  Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Cat litter is scarce around here.



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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Cat litter is scarce around here.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 1:37 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I went to the World of Wally this morning much later than I usually do -
> around 7:30 am (I usually go around 5:30-6:00 am).
>
> It was packed for that hour on a Sunday.
>
> I wanted to stock up on some vitamin C, despite having a week or two left,
> and get some kitty food.
>
> NO vitamin C. The vitamin and supplement aisle was destroyed, shelves were
> empty. ???
>
> Kitty food was plentiful, so at least we can keep the cat well fed until
> we’re forced to eat her.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > yep, basically what the boy was saying with more detail.  I think I am
> just going to hunker in the bunker best I can, got plenty of food to
> minimize my need to go out (though I did go to the grocery store this
> morning for a few random things, it was quite busy, I think turistas and
> spring break time, oh boy...  well stocked except for pasta and rice, I did
> not check TP...)
> >
> > Stay well y'all...
> >
> > --FT
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] British Solution to the Coronavirus

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Note that South Korea's national health system seems to be doing a good
job.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:15 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don't think the Health Service had any input on the political decision
> to essentially do nothing.
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Re: [MBZ] OT no politics but observation on situation

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I got mine late last week. It gives you a web link and a code to enter, and 
then you can fill everything out online. Took me about 10 minutes, if that, for 
four adults at our house.

One thing I thought was sort of a PITA was when they ask your race, there’s a 
box alongside that asks where you’re “from”. I’m from the U.S.A. If I listed 
where my parents were from it would be the same. If I went back another 
generation I would have at least two and maybe more choices. If you leave them 
blank you get a nag screen one time then you can click through.

Pretty straightforward for the most part.

-D

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Clay via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Fill out your census forms.  That Census enumerator may be spreading disease 
>> if he rings your doorbell
> 
> Has anyone received forms? I have not heard/seen anything about the
> census. I assumed it would be online this time around, at least
> optionally.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT no politics but observation on situation

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Clay via Mercedes  writes:

> Fill out your census forms.  That Census enumerator may be spreading disease 
> if he rings your doorbell

Has anyone received forms? I have not heard/seen anything about the
census. I assumed it would be online this time around, at least
optionally.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I went to the World of Wally this morning much later than I usually do - around 
7:30 am (I usually go around 5:30-6:00 am).

It was packed for that hour on a Sunday.

I wanted to stock up on some vitamin C, despite having a week or two left, and 
get some kitty food.

NO vitamin C. The vitamin and supplement aisle was destroyed, shelves were 
empty. ???

Kitty food was plentiful, so at least we can keep the cat well fed until we’re 
forced to eat her.

-D

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yep, basically what the boy was saying with more detail.  I think I am just 
> going to hunker in the bunker best I can, got plenty of food to minimize my 
> need to go out (though I did go to the grocery store this morning for a few 
> random things, it was quite busy, I think turistas and spring break time, oh 
> boy...  well stocked except for pasta and rice, I did not check TP...)
> 
> Stay well y'all...
> 
> --FT
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

yep, basically what the boy was saying with more detail.  I think I am 
just going to hunker in the bunker best I can, got plenty of food to 
minimize my need to go out (though I did go to the grocery store this 
morning for a few random things, it was quite busy, I think turistas and 
spring break time, oh boy...  well stocked except for pasta and rice, I 
did not check TP...)


Stay well y'all...

--FT

On 3/15/20 1:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is saying.
My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage patients
without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle are
reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.

The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in putting
appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the biggest
failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already being
used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then was
flawed, and now has reagent shortages.

The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on demand. It
enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and implement
appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where each
public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there has
been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested, you
know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being implemented
in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and the
suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is early
and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of the
infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are good
reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
containment measures are taken.

If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals may be
unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter the
cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc would
all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources). Italy is
in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We are
not accustomed to having to make tough , resource constrained decisions
about which patient to save. Of course 80% of patients will be able to ride
it out without hospitalization, but that isnt setting a very high bar by
any modern healthcare standard.

Comparing annualized incidence numbers of influenza fatalities to a novel
disease with an epidemic in its infancy is obviously not meaningful due to
the fact that this is only weeks old and good prevalence/incidence data for
covid 19 is simply lacking in the general population. We do know that it
can put enough people into respiratory failure rapidly enough to overload
the hospital system of a fairly advanced industrial democracy. How big a
problem that is depends upon whether you or your loved one are a patient or
not, and how many people have friends or family members who end up being
hospitalized or dying during this epidemic, for any reason. Your likelihood
of being in that group depends in part upon how long the system remains in
a resource constrained mode of operation, and upon how large the mismatch
is. The mismatch between available resources and sick patients on any given
day depends in large part upon the incidence (new cases per day), which is
most effectively limited through early control of transmission.  People in
respiratory failure die fairly quickly, and it would be particularly tragic
to lose a large number of people due to critical care bed shortages when
many patients seem to be able to recover from it given proper supportive
measures. Social distancing is going to be a key part of limiting the
spread, because there are many cases with mild symptoms who still shed the
virus. Isolating very sick people is not enough.

Karl

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 7:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I am not one to get too exercised about this Covid thing but that might
have changed.

Dr. Boy (Villanova, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Brown U
resident Internal Medicine, 

Re: [MBZ] British Solution to the Coronavirus

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I don't think the Health Service had any input on the political decision to 
essentially do nothing.  
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Karl. We appreciate your candor.

Dan

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
> sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is saying.
> My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
> respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage patients
> without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
> tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle are
> reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.
> 
> The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in putting
> appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the biggest
> failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already being
> used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then was
> flawed, and now has reagent shortages.
> 
> The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on demand. It
> enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and implement
> appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where each
> public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there has
> been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
> intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
> taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
> processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested, you
> know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
> spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being implemented
> in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and the
> suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
> severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is early
> and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of the
> infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
> reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are good
> reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
> containment measures are taken.
> 
> If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
> there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals may be
> unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter the
> cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc would
> all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources). Italy is
> in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We are
> not accustomed to having to make tough , resource constrained decisions
> about which patient to save. Of course 80% of patients will be able to ride
> it out without hospitalization, but that isnt setting a very high bar by
> any modern healthcare standard.
> 
> Comparing annualized incidence numbers of influenza fatalities to a novel
> disease with an epidemic in its infancy is obviously not meaningful due to
> the fact that this is only weeks old and good prevalence/incidence data for
> covid 19 is simply lacking in the general population. We do know that it
> can put enough people into respiratory failure rapidly enough to overload
> the hospital system of a fairly advanced industrial democracy. How big a
> problem that is depends upon whether you or your loved one are a patient or
> not, and how many people have friends or family members who end up being
> hospitalized or dying during this epidemic, for any reason. Your likelihood
> of being in that group depends in part upon how long the system remains in
> a resource constrained mode of operation, and upon how large the mismatch
> is. The mismatch between available resources and sick patients on any given
> day depends in large part upon the incidence (new cases per day), which is
> most effectively limited through early control of transmission.  People in
> respiratory failure die fairly quickly, and it would be particularly tragic
> to lose a large number of people due to critical care bed shortages when
> many patients seem to be able to recover from it given proper supportive
> measures. Social distancing is going to be a key part of limiting the
> spread, because there are many cases with mild symptoms who still shed the
> virus. Isolating very sick people is not enough.
> 
> Karl
> 
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 7:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am not one to get too exercised about this Covid thing but that might
>> have changed.
>> 
>> Dr. Boy (Villanova, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Brown U
>> resident Internal Medicine, currently Stanford U Fellow in Pulmonary
>> Critical Care) called me a little while ago to check in on my situation. He
>> is pretty low key but no bullsh*t. Tells it straight. And he’s pretty smart

Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Dan asked me a couple of days ago to comment. This is the draft I had
sitting in the outbox. It tracks pretty well with what your son is saying.
My hospital is preparing for an overload of infectious patients in
respiratory failure. We have tents up outside the ER to triage patients
without exposing other patients. We have a few cases in house but the
tsunami has not really hit here yet. ER docs in Houston and Seattle are
reporting heavy volume. The feeling it is only a matter of time.

The CDC bungle on diagnostic testing put us really far behind in putting
appropriate measures in place to control transmission. One of the biggest
failures was not immediately adopting the diagnostic tests already being
used in other countries, in favor of developing our own, which then was
flawed, and now has reagent shortages.

The key in South Korea was immediate free testing available on demand. It
enabled them to rapidly quantify the scale of the problem and implement
appropriate isolation policies. Here we have had several weeks where each
public health dept lab could process perhaps 20 samples only. So there has
been virtually no community level testing. Docs have patients in ICU
intubated with CT scans consistent with COVID and even this week it is
taking 4 days to get a test result from quest after quest started
processing tests Monday. If hospital docs cannot get patients tested, you
know no one in the community is getting tested. Meanwhile the virus is
spreading exponentially because social distancing is not being implemented
in a timely manner. We will have more testing available each day and the
suspicion is we will uncover a large number of cases eventually. The
severely ill have not hit the hospital in numbers yet because it is early
and the numbers of infected people are building rapidly but not all of the
infected people who will get sick are sick yet. Basically there is no
reason to suspect this will be any better than Italy, and there are good
reasons to suspect the disease will spread further before appropriate
containment measures are taken.

If it runs its course without intervention, or even with intervention,
there could be a considerable amount of time during which hospitals may be
unable to care for all patients with respiratory failure, no matter the
cause of the respiratory failure (trauma, heart attacks, strokes etc would
all be competing with covid 19 patients for hospital resources). Italy is
in that situation now and the problem is still getting worse daily. We are
not accustomed to having to make tough , resource constrained decisions
about which patient to save. Of course 80% of patients will be able to ride
it out without hospitalization, but that isnt setting a very high bar by
any modern healthcare standard.

Comparing annualized incidence numbers of influenza fatalities to a novel
disease with an epidemic in its infancy is obviously not meaningful due to
the fact that this is only weeks old and good prevalence/incidence data for
covid 19 is simply lacking in the general population. We do know that it
can put enough people into respiratory failure rapidly enough to overload
the hospital system of a fairly advanced industrial democracy. How big a
problem that is depends upon whether you or your loved one are a patient or
not, and how many people have friends or family members who end up being
hospitalized or dying during this epidemic, for any reason. Your likelihood
of being in that group depends in part upon how long the system remains in
a resource constrained mode of operation, and upon how large the mismatch
is. The mismatch between available resources and sick patients on any given
day depends in large part upon the incidence (new cases per day), which is
most effectively limited through early control of transmission.  People in
respiratory failure die fairly quickly, and it would be particularly tragic
to lose a large number of people due to critical care bed shortages when
many patients seem to be able to recover from it given proper supportive
measures. Social distancing is going to be a key part of limiting the
spread, because there are many cases with mild symptoms who still shed the
virus. Isolating very sick people is not enough.

Karl

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 7:07 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am not one to get too exercised about this Covid thing but that might
> have changed.
>
> Dr. Boy (Villanova, Georgetown University School of Medicine, Brown U
> resident Internal Medicine, currently Stanford U Fellow in Pulmonary
> Critical Care) called me a little while ago to check in on my situation. He
> is pretty low key but no bullsh*t. Tells it straight. And he’s pretty smart
> if I do say so...
>
> They have several covid patients at the hospital now. They are preparing
> for an onslaught of more patients the next week or two. Turning ORs and
> other spaces into ICUs right now.  The expectation is that his hospital, as
> well as every 

Re: [MBZ] OT - World's Most Powerful Handheld Laser

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That kid's narrative is incredibly annoying, but the vid is good

--FT

On 3/15/20 9:49 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

It’s home made, too!

https://youtu.be/W6FbUiiwutQ

-D
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Re: [MBZ] British Solution to the Coronavirus

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It is the system that worked so well with the Black Plague, why change now..

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 9:30 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> "Leaving those that have been infected and survive. How did we come to
> this?” a citizen tweeted on Saturday, whose sentiments resonated with
> the views of several other commentators."
> It is called nationalized "healthcare" system.   That is how "we get to
> this"  it is to save the payer money.Subjects, not citizens.
>
> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 10:36 AM:
> > Rather than widespread diagnosis, quarantining infected individuals and
> their close contacts under medical observation, steps similar to those in
> China and Italy, the UK is reportedly adopting an appeasement strategy to
> allow more than a half of its population to contract COVID-19 so it can
> build up a “herd immunity,” which experts believe will imperil some
> people’s health or even life.
> >
> > The country’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance told BBC on
> Friday the government wants around 60 percent of the UK's 66.4 million
> population to contract the novel coronavirus to try and create “herd
> immunity” to prevent the virus from becoming an annual crisis, the UK media
> reported on Friday.
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> - -
> > “Without vaccinations, the herd immunity approach is that we, as a
> civilized society have agreed that the weak, the old, the infirmed, as well
> as random healthy people die. Leaving those that have been infected and
> survive. How did we come to this?” a citizen tweeted on Saturday, whose
> sentiments resonated with the views of several other commentators.
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> - - -
> >
> https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-going-to-be-daunting-uk-considers-opposite-approach-to-the-uss-by-allowing-more-people-to-contract-coronavirus-2020-03-14
> >
> >
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/europe/coronavirus-britain-boris-johnson.html
> >
> >
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/uk/uk-coronavirus-response-boris-johnson-intl-gbr/index.html
> >
> > 
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] British Solution to the Coronavirus

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

"Leaving those that have been infected and survive. How did we come to 
this?” a citizen tweeted on Saturday, whose sentiments resonated with 
the views of several other commentators."
It is called nationalized "healthcare" system.   That is how "we get to 
this"  it is to save the payer money.    Subjects, not citizens.


archer75--- via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 10:36 AM:

Rather than widespread diagnosis, quarantining infected individuals and their 
close contacts under medical observation, steps similar to those in China and 
Italy, the UK is reportedly adopting an appeasement strategy to allow more than 
a half of its population to contract COVID-19 so it can build up a “herd 
immunity,” which experts believe will imperil some people’s health or even life.

The country’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance told BBC on Friday 
the government wants around 60 percent of the UK's 66.4 million population to 
contract the novel coronavirus to try and create “herd immunity” to prevent the 
virus from becoming an annual crisis, the UK media reported on Friday.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
“Without vaccinations, the herd immunity approach is that we, as a civilized 
society have agreed that the weak, the old, the infirmed, as well as random 
healthy people die. Leaving those that have been infected and survive. How did 
we come to this?” a citizen tweeted on Saturday, whose sentiments resonated 
with the views of several other commentators.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-going-to-be-daunting-uk-considers-opposite-approach-to-the-uss-by-allowing-more-people-to-contract-coronavirus-2020-03-14

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/europe/coronavirus-britain-boris-johnson.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/uk/uk-coronavirus-response-boris-johnson-intl-gbr/index.html





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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

this picture of the new one has two lines at the inlet and outlet, so it 
is apparently a parallel flow


The ones in the 87 and 91 300Ds also have two inlet and outlet tubes.   
I guess that is why the klima guys don't have a 124 model.


So it looks like we are good.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 7:13 PM:

124 83016 70


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Re: [MBZ] fan temp sensor W124 OM602

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Just get deoxit on the pins and work them in and out.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curley 
McLain via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:45 AM
To: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fan temp sensor W124 OM602

Yesterday the low speed worked when I pulled and replaced the relay k10, 
with the top sensor pulled and the pressure switch by the dryer jumped.  
But then it quit again on the test drive.   I replaced the relay with 
one I stole from the SDL, but have not driven it yet.   It worked in the 
same static test, pulling and replacing the relay.  I suppose I should 
dig out the deoxit and spray the pins and sockets, but it is not i n an 
easy place to get to.

I still don't know if the pins were not making contact, if the relay is 
intermittent or if the wires connecting to the relay socket are 
flakey.   I think one of the first two, or a combination.

I guess it makes sense that disconnecting the top sensor activates a 
fail safe. that would explain the action of the sensor running counter 
to observed activity.

 Wish these cars had manual h-A/C controls!   I still despise ACC 
in any number.  To me, engine heat management belongs in the cooling 
section, not in ACC section.   It is a critical component of engine 
operation.   The cooling section should at least have references to 
where they buried the engine heat management stuff.  Did I ever mention 
I don't like ACC?   

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 6:37 AM:
> Read FSM 83-600, sections I thru K.  That explains how the aux fan circuits
> function.  The high speed is controlled via the HVAC PBU; I suspect that
> when you disconnect that temperature sensor, the HVAC has a circuit which
> defaults to turning the fans on (emergency fail-safe).  In other words, the
> PBU will turn on the fans if the temperature sensor gives a high
> temperature reading (looks like 107 deg C) OR the PBU will turn on the fans
> if there is an open circuit and it doesn't know what the engine temperature
> is.
>
> Did you verify that the low speed side is working correctly?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>


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[MBZ] British Solution to the Coronavirus

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Rather than widespread diagnosis, quarantining infected individuals and their 
close contacts under medical observation, steps similar to those in China and 
Italy, the UK is reportedly adopting an appeasement strategy to allow more than 
a half of its population to contract COVID-19 so it can build up a “herd 
immunity,” which experts believe will imperil some people’s health or even life.

The country’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance told BBC on Friday 
the government wants around 60 percent of the UK's 66.4 million population to 
contract the novel coronavirus to try and create “herd immunity” to prevent the 
virus from becoming an annual crisis, the UK media reported on Friday.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
“Without vaccinations, the herd immunity approach is that we, as a civilized 
society have agreed that the weak, the old, the infirmed, as well as random 
healthy people die. Leaving those that have been infected and survive. How did 
we come to this?” a citizen tweeted on Saturday, whose sentiments resonated 
with the views of several other commentators.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-going-to-be-daunting-uk-considers-opposite-approach-to-the-uss-by-allowing-more-people-to-contract-coronavirus-2020-03-14

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/europe/coronavirus-britain-boris-johnson.html

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/13/uk/uk-coronavirus-response-boris-johnson-intl-gbr/index.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT - World's Most Powerful Handheld Laser

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Fast forward to about 2:50 and the laser stuff starts. I skipped over all that 
gaming garbage at the beginning.

-D

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nothing but bait to watch an ad for some dumb video game.   Save your time.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 8:49 AM:
>> It’s home made, too!
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/W6FbUiiwutQ
>> 
>> -D
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - World's Most Powerful Handheld Laser

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nothing but bait to watch an ad for some dumb video game.   Save your time.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 8:49 AM:

It’s home made, too!

https://youtu.be/W6FbUiiwutQ

-D



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[MBZ] OT - World's Most Powerful Handheld Laser

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s home made, too!

https://youtu.be/W6FbUiiwutQ

-D
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Re: [MBZ] fan temp sensor W124 OM602

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yesterday the low speed worked when I pulled and replaced the relay k10, 
with the top sensor pulled and the pressure switch by the dryer jumped.  
But then it quit again on the test drive.   I replaced the relay with 
one I stole from the SDL, but have not driven it yet.   It worked in the 
same static test, pulling and replacing the relay.  I suppose I should 
dig out the deoxit and spray the pins and sockets, but it is not i n an 
easy place to get to.


I still don't know if the pins were not making contact, if the relay is 
intermittent or if the wires connecting to the relay socket are 
flakey.   I think one of the first two, or a combination.


I guess it makes sense that disconnecting the top sensor activates a 
fail safe. that would explain the action of the sensor running counter 
to observed activity.


 Wish these cars had manual h-A/C controls!   I still despise ACC 
in any number.  To me, engine heat management belongs in the cooling 
section, not in ACC section.   It is a critical component of engine 
operation.   The cooling section should at least have references to 
where they buried the engine heat management stuff.  Did I ever mention 
I don't like ACC?   


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/15/20 6:37 AM:

Read FSM 83-600, sections I thru K.  That explains how the aux fan circuits
function.  The high speed is controlled via the HVAC PBU; I suspect that
when you disconnect that temperature sensor, the HVAC has a circuit which
defaults to turning the fans on (emergency fail-safe).  In other words, the
PBU will turn on the fans if the temperature sensor gives a high
temperature reading (looks like 107 deg C) OR the PBU will turn on the fans
if there is an open circuit and it doesn't know what the engine temperature
is.

Did you verify that the low speed side is working correctly?
-
Max
Charleston SC





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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m like a lot of the group, barely on the fringe of the high risk tier. I walk 
2-3 miles daily at least and do a fair amount of physical activity, get plenty 
of sleep and take 1000mg of C daily. I could eat better, but I think I do 
fairly well in that area. I’m not concerned about myself at this point, but I 
am concerned about others around me…

The neighborhood had a big gathering yesterday that went well into the evening. 
I stayed away, but the wife, who is a social butterfly, was there almost the 
whole time. I’m still trying to understand the logic behind food anxiety one 
day and the inability to avoid crowds as directed by the CDC the next. I’m not 
bringing up the topics unless they come up, as I’m sure it will end poorly…

-D who just finished hauling and spreading 10 - 4 CF bags of cypress mulch 
around the yard. And it’s only 9:00 am! Plenty of time for more fun!

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 2:00 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew sez:
> 
>> since I am in the vulnerable age
> 
> I would suspect that you are in quite good aerobic health, Andrew. Racket 
> ball would seem to be a good sport for athletic conditioning. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] fan temp sensor W124 OM602

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Read FSM 83-600, sections I thru K.  That explains how the aux fan circuits
function.  The high speed is controlled via the HVAC PBU; I suspect that
when you disconnect that temperature sensor, the HVAC has a circuit which
defaults to turning the fans on (emergency fail-safe).  In other words, the
PBU will turn on the fans if the temperature sensor gives a high
temperature reading (looks like 107 deg C) OR the PBU will turn on the fans
if there is an open circuit and it doesn't know what the engine temperature
is.

Did you verify that the low speed side is working correctly?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:24 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> with cold engine, the fan temp sensor at the top front of the head has
> 5,000 ohm resistance.   At 80 to 82ºC coolant temp, it is 600 ohms.
>
> One wire is at 5v. (From terminal 8 of the ACC PBU.)   The other goes to
> ground. via ACC air delivery (whatever that is)
>
>
> At infinity ohms (plug unhooked,) the fans will come on with the key on.
>
> So if the fans come on at higher resistance, the would seem that the
> resistance should get higher as the temp gets warmer.   Instead, the
> resistance gets lower as the temp gets higher.
>
> I am so far, not convinced that the sensor is good or is bad.   It is
> still suspect because I don't know what the specs are for its performance.
>
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Re: [MBZ] crossflow refrig condensor for 134a

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would make sense.

It’s the same number across the board for both models. I don’t see a 
supersession in the EPC, but it’s possible the old number was cleared out years 
ago.

-D

> On Mar 14, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> hm  maybe that is why your Klima guys don't sell one?   Or is that not 
> the original number for the 87?
> 
> If that number supercedes the original part in 85-9x models, then it likely 
> is the 134a condensor, while the originals may not have been. I'll try to 
> look at both cars side by side to see if the condensors look the same.
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/14/20 7:13 PM:
>> The 1991 uses a condensor 124 830 16 70
>> 
>> I looked at a facelift gasser W124 and it uses the same one, so it appears 
>> they’re using the same condensor across the board no matter what. Hard to 
>> say it’s a parallel flow without seeing it, but I would guess it probably is.
>> 
>> They’re cheap as wine - a Nissens is $131.00 and a Behr is $95.00 both at 
>> FCP Euro.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ok y’all **it just got real

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Andrew sez:

>since I am in the vulnerable age

I would suspect that you are in quite good aerobic health, Andrew. Racket ball 
would seem to be a good sport for athletic conditioning. 

Rick
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