Re: [MBZ] Advance auto parts

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Kaleb wrote:

> > I ordered a hydroboost for my Suburban on Tuesday night, it
> > arrived at the house today.

> Craig wrote:
> 
> And what, pray tell, is a hydroboost for a Surburban?

For either engines without vacuum, or for applications that might
require more than 15 psi for brake boost, GM makes a hydraulic
brake booster.  It uses a spring charged accumulator and the power
steering pump to store a whole lot of force to assist with brake
application.

The light duty suburban and pickups might have had vacuum brake
boosters driven by the mechanical vacuum pump, but the 3/4 ton and
larger diesels, and more than 1 ton gasoline I think all got
hydroboost.  At least through the 1990s.

It's a good system.  Simple, rugged, reliable, and the driver will
know there is a loss of hydraulic pressure because the steering
will be effected.

Maybe the fact that brakes and steering both change if pressure is
lost could be considered poor design...

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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Clay via Mercedes]

Personally I photosynthesize D vitamin in the buff.  That tends to reduce 
contact with others.  Prominent protrusions are masked for my safety.

I did encounter a brand new level of hell.   Mosquitoes all over, thick as 
freshmen on a keg

clay 

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> On May 21, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well the study says that is not the case, the mask will not filter the 
> smaller particles.  Worse, the mask may impart a false sense of security, so 
> the infected and victim remain too close for too long, and transmission / 
> infection happens.
> 
> If I were worried, I'd talk with my doctor about prophylactic use of 
> hydroxochloroquine / zinc to protect me from infection, or just stay home.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> May 21, 2020 3:00:47 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> 
>>  It's the ones who are not showing symptoms yet but are spewing virii 
>> that 
>> 
>> the mask will protect YOU from if THEY are wearing one. 
>> 
>> That's how a mask helps to reduce the spread of the virus. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:11 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < 
>> 
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory 
>>> 
>>> protection and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of 
>>> 
>>> Chicago (Brosseau is retired). On Apr. 1, they published a paper[ 
>>> 
>>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data]
>>>  for 
>>> 
>>> the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in which they stated 
>>> 
>>> bluntly: "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have 
>>> 
>>> symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical 
>>> 
>>> masks." 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Max Dillon 
>>> 
>>> Charleston SC 
>>> 
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>> OK Don 
>> 
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to 
>> 
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain 
>> 
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
>> Wernher 
>> 
>> Von Braun 
>> 
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg 
>> 
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 
>> 
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Clay via Mercedes]

That is the whole basis of the current plague.  Back down some very dark hole, 
long ago, some bad man in china did a bad thing with a bad virus.  Maybe he was 
provided assistance by a doctor who works in allergy and infections in USA, or 
a chinese researcher stole lab samples out of Canada, or a bat took a dump on 
the head of a weapons lab worker in Wuhan.  Nobody will know the truth, because 
WHO can ever really know, since all the data in the beginning was hand selected 
for dissemination, and has been shuffled, dealt from from the bottom of the 
deck, marked and mangled into a tangled mass with stray strands of whatever a 
person now chooses to take as gospel.

First Amendment Faith Based protected speech instead of the your local or 
federal mandated belief system related to facial apparel, work habits, 
excretory ablutions, or choice of medications for treatment.

clay 

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> On May 21, 2020, at 10:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's called cherry picking.
> 
> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:11 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
>> 
>> Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory
>> protection and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of
>> Chicago (Brosseau is retired). On Apr. 1, they published a paper[
>> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data]
>>  for
>> the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in which they stated
>> bluntly: "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have
>> symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical
>> masks."
>> 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Advance auto parts

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On Thu, 21 May 2020 20:22:09 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It’s a brake booster that runs off the power steering pump rather than
> vacuum. 

Oh!


Craig

> > On May 21, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 21 May 2020 18:49:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> I ordered a hydroboost for my Suburban on Tuesday night, it arrived
> >> at the house today.
> > 
> > And what, pray tell, is a hydroboost for a Surburban?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>> They should have simply said "there are not >>enough masks and we need to 
>> save them for >>healthcare workers, so for now we don't >>recommend the 
>> public wear them. "

>Exactly.  As I used to say when applying corporal >punishment to my son:
>"It's the _lying_ that got you the worst punishment."

It's the lying that causes many, who are skeptical of any official 
pronouncement, to not believe anything a government agency says. 

Three words you will never hear from a government official or The Fonz. I. Was. 
Wrong. 

https://youtu.be/uwkU8-d1gIk

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Re: [MBZ] OK I am really liking this 211 E320 wagon

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I really like my 05 E320 4matic's handling  & ride. Doesn't stir my soul
like a,123  but a fine automobile. Wait till you try your 4matic in the
rain. Amazing response.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, May 21, 2020, 5:17 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> After getting the tensioner sorted last evening and forgiving that
> transgression, I took the car out for a longish ride today. I love this
> thing, it is soo much more refined and comfortable than the 210
> E320, there is very little comparison.  Quieter, rides better, handles
> better, feels much more solid.  The 4matic seems to introduce some
> interesting dynamics in the handling/steering, I can feel it is much
> different from a RWD car although I am sure it is most of the time
> biased toward the rear.
>
> This gonna be a nice ride.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I read today that there are still shortages of PPE for health care workers,
would you believe.

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 9:38 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > They should have simply said "there are not enough masks and
> > we need to save them for healthcare workers, so for now we don't
> recommend
> > the public wear them. "
>
> Exactly.  As I used to say when applying corporal punishment to my son:
> "It's the _lying_ that got you the worst punishment."
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 I like my clean new 2014 bluetec 250 GLK small SUV.  30 mpg with plenty of
turbocharged 4 cylinder power.  How do they do it?

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 7:45 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> an ol smokey OM621 190Dc is healthier for you than a Lektrick car.
> Probably that OM636 they've been talking up on the buttercup list is
> safer.   More modern MB Diesels are much safer
>
> > G Mann via Mercedes 
> > May 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM
> > Tesla and crash scenes.
> > Several months ago, I read a piece published by some fire fighter / first
> > res ponder association.
> > The focus of the article was how first responders must not use normal
> > response to remove injured persons from an electric vehicle crash scene,
> > due to the high risk of electrical fire, toxic smoke and fumes, and
> > electrical shock to emergency persons.
> > Further, the use of water to put down vehicle fire, post crash, was
> > cautioned against... ie, EV response would be "Wait for the special truck
> > equipped to handle EV fire and safety, before trying to extricate the
> > injured passengers...
> > S... my take on such cars would be.. "Increased Risk" while you bleed
> > out from a bloody nose and a torn fingernail, waiting for the "special
> > truck" to cut the exit path to haul you out..
> > while the battery bank is shorting out and filling the car with toxic
> > materials.
> >
> > Certainly questions I would want answered before I bought a Tesla, or
> > another EV... I see several crashes every week in the city of some 1.8
> > million bad drivers.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> They should have simply said "there are not enough masks and
> we need to save them for healthcare workers, so for now we don't recommend
> the public wear them. "

Exactly.  As I used to say when applying corporal punishment to my son:
"It's the _lying_ that got you the worst punishment."

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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Well said, Karl.  I wear a mask simply to improve my chances.  I have no
illusion that it will be 100 percent effective if I enter a roomful of
infected patients on ventilators.

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 4:59 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Brosseau is very knowledgable in terms of the science behind masks. She is
> much less of an expert in the science of how viruses are transmitted, and
> she and many others have been caught with their pants down by covid 19. In
> March, CIDRAP published this piece by her, which was essentially saying
> that we dont know that covid 19 is NOT transmitted through the air:
>
>
> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/commentary-covid-19-transmission-messages-should-hinge-science
>
> At the end of the piece she says that it is ok that we dont have evidence
> one way or the other. She also says that policy should be driven by
> science.
>
> Unfortunately for Brousseau and CIDRAP, policy cannot always wait for
> science. Policymakers frequently have to make decisions based upon
> inconclusive data, in the absence of scientific certainty. This was the
> point Rand Paul was making to Tony Fauci the other day, and which Fauci
> completely agreed with: scientists don't get to make policies unless they
> are elected. A lot of policy has very little science to back it up, but
> there needs to be a policy, so one is created.
>
>  When COVID 19 started, no one recommended masks for the public -including
> the CDC. In retrospect this seems to have been driven by the fact that
> there was no proof of airborne spread and there were not enough masks for
> the general public. There were not even enough masks for people who work in
> hospitals. The major policy organizations wanted to discourage mask
> hoarding by the public. So the big organizations and their experts
> emphasized the lack of evidence for airborne transmission to make the case
> that the public should not wear masks.
>
> But using science to justify that policy was a mistake, because, as
> Brousseau herself said: there is no good science to justify the public not
> wearing masks. They should have simply said "there are not enough masks and
> we need to save them for healthcare workers, so for now we dont recommend
> the public wear them. "
>
> It turns out covid 19 is transmitted very readily by the general public to
> each other by airborne routes, and the absence of evidence is not the same
> as evidence for absence (of airborne transmission). Several papers have
> emerged since March detailing outbreaks in restaurants in China, choir
> practices in Washington state and now the aerobics class in Korea where the
> virus was clearly spread through the air without any close contact at all,
> to 3/4 of the choir from a single person in that outbreak and to over a
> hundred aerobics students by infected instructors in Korea.
>
> So now the recommendations are changing - again despite the lack of
> conclusive scientific evidence. It is clear the virus spreads through the
> air, particularly indoors. We still dont have high quality evidence that
> surgical and cloth masks prevent transmission, but there is pretty good
> evidence that they trap the particle sizes of interest and decrease the
> amount that escape into the air when people exhale. So there is some reason
> to think masks are helpful, and because airborne transmission has now been
> extremely well documented among members of the public, pretty much all of
> the experts that were so against masks for the general public are having to
> backpedal on their previous policy statements, including the CDC itself.
> The countries that have done the best at containing this outbreak all have
> universal mask wearing. Increasingly everyone in the scientific community
> is admitting that our previous understanding of transmission routes for
> respiratory viruses was completely inadequate, based on outdated evidence
> and now we have to modify our thinking and our policy to deal with the
> reality before us.
>
> I cannot guarantee scientifically that surgical masks protect other members
> of the public from Sars CoV 2. But I am willing to wear a mask in public,
> because it doesnt cost me anything and because it looks increasingly likely
> that it might be an important part of how we as a society control this
> disease and get back to something closer to normal.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2020, 11:11 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
> >
> > Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory
> > protection and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of
> > Chicago (Brosseau is retired). On Apr. 1, they published a paper[
> >
> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data]
> for
> > the 

Re: [MBZ] I know it’s a 1st year 211 but seems nice and a decent deal

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Looks nice, low miles, probably decent. A little negotiation would be a good 
ride

--FT
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> On May 21, 2020, at 9:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1177589139262109/
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Re: [MBZ] Advance auto parts

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Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes  writes:

> I was looking to get some oil and a filter for the M112. Amazon have 2
> Mann fleece filters for $17 free delivery in a week if you select 2day
> (???), Walmart have 0W40 for less than $23/5qt, delivery to the house
> tomorrow. Stuff is getting cheepcheep and delivery is getting crazy
> good.

Last parts I ordered from Amazon took almost 20 days. I'm done with them.

Allan

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[MBZ] I know it’s a 1st year 211 but seems nice and a decent deal

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1177589139262109/


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Re: [MBZ] Advance auto parts

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It’s a brake booster that runs off the power steering pump rather than vacuum. 

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> On May 21, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 21 May 2020 18:49:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I ordered a hydroboost for my Suburban on Tuesday night, it arrived at 
>> the house today.
> 
> And what, pray tell, is a hydroboost for a Surburban?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Advance auto parts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I was looking to get some oil and a filter for the M112. Amazon have 2 Mann 
fleece filters for $17 free delivery in a week if you select 2day (???), 
Walmart have 0W40 for less than $23/5qt, delivery to the house tomorrow. Stuff 
is getting cheepcheep and delivery is getting crazy good. 

--FT
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> On May 21, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I ordered a hydroboost for my Suburban on Tuesday night, it arrived at the 
> house today.
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Jack Stand Recall

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

I have some harbor freight jack stands brand new in the box. I was going to use 
one to support the boat trailer while I put new tires on it, but I ended up 
selling the boat first!
Kevin and Hillsboro, Oregon

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> Hi:
> 
> 
> 
> I saw this on another list, might pertain to some. I'll have to check mine 
> for the numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Harbor Freight's recall notice
> 
> 
> 
> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] Advance auto parts

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On Thu, 21 May 2020 18:49:34 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I ordered a hydroboost for my Suburban on Tuesday night, it arrived at 
> the house today.

And what, pray tell, is a hydroboost for a Surburban?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK I am really liking this 211 E320 wagon

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep

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> On May 21, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Working on getting kicked out of that FB group, too?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 5:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep they 211 is way nicer than the 210. I still like the 210 though. On a 
>> 210 fakebook group a guy was asking why nobody would buy his 210 diesel for 
>> $4k or something like that. I explained it was because you could get a 211 
>> diesel for close to the same money. Some other dude argued that the 210 was 
>> way better and nobody wants a 211. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 21, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> After getting the tensioner sorted last evening and forgiving that 
>>> transgression, I took the car out for a longish ride today. I love this 
>>> thing, it is soo much more refined and comfortable than the 210 E320, 
>>> there is very little comparison.  Quieter, rides better, handles better, 
>>> feels much more solid.  The 4matic seems to introduce some interesting 
>>> dynamics in the handling/steering, I can feel it is much different from a 
>>> RWD car although I am sure it is most of the time biased toward the rear.
>>> 
>>> This gonna be a nice ride.
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --FT
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OK I am really liking this 211 E320 wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Working on getting kicked out of that FB group, too?

-D

> On May 21, 2020, at 5:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yep they 211 is way nicer than the 210. I still like the 210 though. On a 210 
> fakebook group a guy was asking why nobody would buy his 210 diesel for $4k 
> or something like that. I explained it was because you could get a 211 diesel 
> for close to the same money. Some other dude argued that the 210 was way 
> better and nobody wants a 211. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> After getting the tensioner sorted last evening and forgiving that 
>> transgression, I took the car out for a longish ride today. I love this 
>> thing, it is soo much more refined and comfortable than the 210 E320, 
>> there is very little comparison.  Quieter, rides better, handles better, 
>> feels much more solid.  The 4matic seems to introduce some interesting 
>> dynamics in the handling/steering, I can feel it is much different from a 
>> RWD car although I am sure it is most of the time biased toward the rear.
>> 
>> This gonna be a nice ride.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice E320 CDI

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That has NO electronics?   I suppose that would be the 603s. They have 
electronics but mainly for idle control and/or boost control on the 
later ones but can be made to run without it.


On 5/21/2020 7:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Decline. What's the most modern diesel that doesn't have any electronics?

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:


Yes, it is.

-D


On May 21, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

love the color combo.  is that one I could get the monster tune on and blow off 
the boy racers with a dizzel?  Not at $8600 though...

--FT

On 5/21/20 3:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi/7127968282.html
 


A little pricey for the way the car is optioned, but not bad.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Nice E320 CDI

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Decline. What's the most modern diesel that doesn't have any electronics?

Allan

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Yes, it is.
>
> -D
>
>> On May 21, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> love the color combo.  is that one I could get the monster tune on and blow 
>> off the boy racers with a dizzel?  Not at $8600 though...
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 5/21/20 3:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi/7127968282.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A little pricey for the way the car is optioned, but not bad.
>>> 
>>> -D

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Re: [MBZ] Jack Stand Recall

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have several sets but I think mine might have been bought before these 
in question.


On 5/21/2020 7:10 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

I have some that look very much like those, but I didn't get them from
Harbor Fright. All of my jack stands were purchased from bargain
retailers though, and I'm really thinking for that sort of thing it
makes a lot more sense to spend the money for quality.

Any recommendations?

Allan

Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes  writes:


Hi:

I saw this on another list, might pertain to some. I'll have to check mine for 
the numbers.

  

 Harbor Freight's recall notice

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Jack Stand Recall

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I have some that look very much like those, but I didn't get them from
Harbor Fright. All of my jack stands were purchased from bargain
retailers though, and I'm really thinking for that sort of thing it
makes a lot more sense to spend the money for quality.

Any recommendations?

Allan

Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes  writes:

> Hi:
>
> I saw this on another list, might pertain to some. I'll have to check mine 
> for the numbers.
>
>  
> 
>  Harbor Freight's recall notice
>
> Greg

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[MBZ] Advance auto parts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I ordered a hydroboost for my Suburban on Tuesday night, it arrived at 
the house today.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

an ol smokey OM621 190Dc is healthier for you than a Lektrick car.  
Probably that OM636 they've been talking up on the buttercup list is 
safer.   More modern MB Diesels are much safer



G Mann via Mercedes 
May 21, 2020 at 5:45 PM
Tesla and crash scenes.
Several months ago, I read a piece published by some fire fighter / first
res ponder association.
The focus of the article was how first responders must not use normal
response to remove injured persons from an electric vehicle crash scene,
due to the high risk of electrical fire, toxic smoke and fumes, and
electrical shock to emergency persons.
Further, the use of water to put down vehicle fire, post crash, was
cautioned against... ie, EV response would be "Wait for the special truck
equipped to handle EV fire and safety, before trying to extricate the
injured passengers...
S... my take on such cars would be.. "Increased Risk" while you bleed
out from a bloody nose and a torn fingernail, waiting for the "special
truck" to cut the exit path to haul you out..
while the battery bank is shorting out and filling the car with toxic
materials.

Certainly questions I would want answered before I bought a Tesla, or
another EV... I see several crashes every week in the city of some 1.8
million bad drivers.

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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** Jack Stand Recall

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Hi:

 

I saw this on another list, might pertain to some. I'll have to check mine for 
the numbers.

 

 

 

 Harbor Freight's recall notice

 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Tesla and crash scenes.
Several months ago, I read a piece published by some fire fighter / first
res ponder association.
The focus of the article was how first responders must not use normal
response to remove injured persons from an electric vehicle crash scene,
due to the high risk of electrical fire, toxic smoke and fumes, and
electrical shock to emergency persons.
Further, the use of water to put down vehicle fire, post crash, was
cautioned against... ie, EV response would be "Wait for the special truck
equipped to handle EV fire and safety, before trying to extricate the
injured passengers...
S... my take on such cars would be.. "Increased Risk" while you bleed
out from a bloody nose and a torn fingernail, waiting for the "special
truck" to cut the exit path to haul you out..
while the battery bank is shorting out and filling the car with toxic
materials.

Certainly questions I would want answered before I bought a Tesla, or
another EV... I see several crashes every week in the city of some 1.8
million bad drivers.

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> Montgomery County has an excellent website tracking the progress/recession
> of COVID 19:
>
> https://montgomerycountymd.gov/HHS/RightNav/Coronavirus-data.html
>
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:16 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> >  Teslas are likely to do very well in terms of safety due to the mass of
> > the vehicle but I am curious to know if they actually get in fewer
> > accidents with all their autopilot doodads as well.
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2020, 7:25 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > They didn't show statistics for an S class. I suspect that it would
> be
> > > at the top of the list.
> > >
> > > The trouble with statistics is that there are a lot of variables.  My
> > > Camaro, for example,
> > > had a TERRIBLE safety rating.  But, that's mostly because of the sorts
> of
> > > folks who
> > > liked to buy the things.  It always felt _very_ safe to me.  Solid,
> > > stable, low to the ground.
> > > And, in the minor quartering head-on I was in, I drove home afterwards,
> > > the Mustang
> > > I tangled with left on a hook, dripping fluids.  So, durable also.  If
> > all
> > > you looked at was
> > > the numbers, you'd be misled about the car itself.  It was the bozos
> who
> > > bought them,
> > > myself perhaps included, and the way they liked to drive them that was
> > the
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > So, what do the Tesla numbers actually tell you?
> > >
> > > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OK I am really liking this 211 E320 wagon

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Yep they 211 is way nicer than the 210. I still like the 210 though. On a 210 
fakebook group a guy was asking why nobody would buy his 210 diesel for $4k or 
something like that. I explained it was because you could get a 211 diesel for 
close to the same money. Some other dude argued that the 210 was way better and 
nobody wants a 211. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> After getting the tensioner sorted last evening and forgiving that 
> transgression, I took the car out for a longish ride today. I love this 
> thing, it is soo much more refined and comfortable than the 210 E320, 
> there is very little comparison.  Quieter, rides better, handles better, 
> feels much more solid.  The 4matic seems to introduce some interesting 
> dynamics in the handling/steering, I can feel it is much different from a RWD 
> car although I am sure it is most of the time biased toward the rear.
> 
> This gonna be a nice ride.
> 
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[MBZ] OK I am really liking this 211 E320 wagon

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

After getting the tensioner sorted last evening and forgiving that 
transgression, I took the car out for a longish ride today. I love this 
thing, it is soo much more refined and comfortable than the 210 
E320, there is very little comparison.  Quieter, rides better, handles 
better, feels much more solid.  The 4matic seems to introduce some 
interesting dynamics in the handling/steering, I can feel it is much 
different from a RWD car although I am sure it is most of the time 
biased toward the rear.


This gonna be a nice ride.

--
--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Nice E320 CDI

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Yes, it is.

-D

> On May 21, 2020, at 4:47 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> love the color combo.  is that one I could get the monster tune on and blow 
> off the boy racers with a dizzel?  Not at $8600 though...
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 5/21/20 3:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi/7127968282.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> A little pricey for the way the car is optioned, but not bad.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

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Brosseau is very knowledgable in terms of the science behind masks. She is
much less of an expert in the science of how viruses are transmitted, and
she and many others have been caught with their pants down by covid 19. In
March, CIDRAP published this piece by her, which was essentially saying
that we dont know that covid 19 is NOT transmitted through the air:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/commentary-covid-19-transmission-messages-should-hinge-science

At the end of the piece she says that it is ok that we dont have evidence
one way or the other. She also says that policy should be driven by
science.

Unfortunately for Brousseau and CIDRAP, policy cannot always wait for
science. Policymakers frequently have to make decisions based upon
inconclusive data, in the absence of scientific certainty. This was the
point Rand Paul was making to Tony Fauci the other day, and which Fauci
completely agreed with: scientists don't get to make policies unless they
are elected. A lot of policy has very little science to back it up, but
there needs to be a policy, so one is created.

 When COVID 19 started, no one recommended masks for the public -including
the CDC. In retrospect this seems to have been driven by the fact that
there was no proof of airborne spread and there were not enough masks for
the general public. There were not even enough masks for people who work in
hospitals. The major policy organizations wanted to discourage mask
hoarding by the public. So the big organizations and their experts
emphasized the lack of evidence for airborne transmission to make the case
that the public should not wear masks.

But using science to justify that policy was a mistake, because, as
Brousseau herself said: there is no good science to justify the public not
wearing masks. They should have simply said "there are not enough masks and
we need to save them for healthcare workers, so for now we dont recommend
the public wear them. "

It turns out covid 19 is transmitted very readily by the general public to
each other by airborne routes, and the absence of evidence is not the same
as evidence for absence (of airborne transmission). Several papers have
emerged since March detailing outbreaks in restaurants in China, choir
practices in Washington state and now the aerobics class in Korea where the
virus was clearly spread through the air without any close contact at all,
to 3/4 of the choir from a single person in that outbreak and to over a
hundred aerobics students by infected instructors in Korea.

So now the recommendations are changing - again despite the lack of
conclusive scientific evidence. It is clear the virus spreads through the
air, particularly indoors. We still dont have high quality evidence that
surgical and cloth masks prevent transmission, but there is pretty good
evidence that they trap the particle sizes of interest and decrease the
amount that escape into the air when people exhale. So there is some reason
to think masks are helpful, and because airborne transmission has now been
extremely well documented among members of the public, pretty much all of
the experts that were so against masks for the general public are having to
backpedal on their previous policy statements, including the CDC itself.
The countries that have done the best at containing this outbreak all have
universal mask wearing. Increasingly everyone in the scientific community
is admitting that our previous understanding of transmission routes for
respiratory viruses was completely inadequate, based on outdated evidence
and now we have to modify our thinking and our policy to deal with the
reality before us.

I cannot guarantee scientifically that surgical masks protect other members
of the public from Sars CoV 2. But I am willing to wear a mask in public,
because it doesnt cost me anything and because it looks increasingly likely
that it might be an important part of how we as a society control this
disease and get back to something closer to normal.





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> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
>
> Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory
> protection and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of
> Chicago (Brosseau is retired). On Apr. 1, they published a paper[
> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data]
>  for
> the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in which they stated
> bluntly: "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have
> symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical
> masks."
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Re: [MBZ] Nice E320 CDI

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

love the color combo.  is that one I could get the monster tune on and 
blow off the boy racers with a dizzel?  Not at $8600 though...


--FT

On 5/21/20 3:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi/7127968282.html
 


A little pricey for the way the car is optioned, but not bad.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Nice E320 CDI

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is a window option sticker. My old company used to produce those for 
dealers. They have companies such as my old one that would come out and shoot 
the photos and print those stickers. They just cut the borders off it that 
would have the dealers logos etc. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. And I think it’s a dealer posing as a private seller. Note on one of 
> the pictures where they have the information listed that there is a line for 
> “stock number”.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nice but overpriced. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 21, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> A little pricey for the way the car is optioned, but not bad.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice E320 CDI

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Agreed. And I think it’s a dealer posing as a private seller. Note on one of 
the pictures where they have the information listed that there is a line for 
“stock number”.

-D

> On May 21, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice but overpriced. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi/7127968282.html
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> A little pricey for the way the car is optioned, but not bad.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Well the study says that is not the case, the mask will not filter the smaller 
particles.  Worse, the mask may impart a false sense of security, so the 
infected and victim remain too close for too long, and transmission / infection 
happens.

If I were worried, I'd talk with my doctor about prophylactic use of 
hydroxochloroquine / zinc to protect me from infection, or just stay home.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
May 21, 2020 3:00:47 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

>   It's the ones who are not showing symptoms yet but are spewing virii 
> that 
>  
> the mask will protect YOU from if THEY are wearing one. 
>  
> That's how a mask helps to reduce the spread of the virus. 
>  
>  
>  On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:11 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < 
>  
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: 
>  
>  
>   
>  
> >  
> >   
> > https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
> >  
> >   
> >  
> >   Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory 
> >   
> > protection and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of 
> >   
> > Chicago (Brosseau is retired). On Apr. 1, they published a paper[ 
> >   
> > https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data]
> >  for 
> >   
> > the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in which they stated 
> >   
> > bluntly: "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have 
> >   
> > symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical 
> >   
> > masks." 
> >   
> >  
> >   Max Dillon 
> >   
> > Charleston SC 
> >   
> >  
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>  
> OK Don 
>  
>  
>  "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to 
>  
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain 
>  
>  
>  “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  
> Wernher 
>  
> Von Braun 
>  
> 2013 F150, 18 mpg 
>  
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 
>  
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice E320 CDI

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Nice but overpriced. 

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> wrote:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi/7127968282.html
>  
> 
> 
> A little pricey for the way the car is optioned, but not bad.
> 
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[MBZ] Nice E320 CDI

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/tampa-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi/7127968282.html
 


A little pricey for the way the car is optioned, but not bad.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's the ones who are not showing symptoms yet but are spewing virii that
the mask will protect YOU from if THEY are wearing one.
That's how a mask helps to reduce the spread of the virus.

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:11 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
>
> Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory
> protection and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of
> Chicago (Brosseau is retired). On Apr. 1, they published a paper[
> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data]
>  for
> the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in which they stated
> bluntly: "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have
> symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical
> masks."
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's called cherry picking.

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:11 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and
>
> Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory
> protection and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of
> Chicago (Brosseau is retired). On Apr. 1, they published a paper[
> https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data]
>  for
> the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in which they stated
> bluntly: "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have
> symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical
> masks."
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/mask-use-rises-dramatically-evidence-their-effectiveness-sparse-and

Lisa Brosseau and Margaret Sietsema are both experts on respiratory protection 
and infectious diseases who have taught at the University of Chicago (Brosseau 
is retired). On Apr. 1, they published a 
paper[https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data]
 for the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in which they stated 
bluntly: "We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have 
symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks."

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I walked up the very tall Metro escalator at Bethesda wearing my N95 mask
and was slightly winded at the top, but not much more so than normally
(sans mask).  Maybe 5 percent?

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:51 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Surgical masks and cloth masks are far less restrictive than n95s. Here is
> an article on n95s in healthcare workers. If a nurse can do this for 12h
> walking all over the place without any issues, the rest of us can tolerate
> cloth masks for a trip to the grocery store.
>
>
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20420727/?fbclid=IwAR2i2WntsznayV4nJcAf0Nzi6kaHV5lLfdqhvQOKemqBCBN9bmBLpjoMaBk
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020, 4:11 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Very few people outside hospitals wear or have access to surgical
> > masks.   Most people are wearing home made is lam coverings.   THe
> > oxygen deprivation and/or CO2 accumulation is unknown for these, and is
> > probably in line with the results of the study you want to trash
> outright.
> >
> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> > > May 20, 2020 at 4:33 PM
> > > Masks could be helpful. The evidence is not great as Max alludes, but
> > they
> > > definitely do not increase transmission and look increasingly like they
> > > provide benefit in preventing transmission. There are no harmful
> effects;
> > > whoever wrote the O2 thing is full of BS.
> > >
> > > This was a recent summary, with refs:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=137495654570048=100553591597588
> > >
> > > Facemasks, facemasks, facemasks! The transmission control strategy so
> > > effective, safe, and nice, we say it thrice! (Now, with numbers!)
> > >
> > > FACEMASKS: SAFE FOR DOCTORS AND THOSE WHO PLAY THEM ON TV
> > >
> > > Much of the worry about masks centers on misunderstandings about carbon
> > > dioxide.
> > >
> > > Ever had surgery? Did you notice all the fully alert, bustling, masked
> > > people- many of whom wear masks for 24+ hours in a row (‍♀️been
> > there,
> > > got the scrub top). Medical types prefer to keep their wits about them.
> > > Operating, making snappy decisions, flirting with the scrub nurse
> (that’s
> > > for the TV docs)- it requires those masked people to be firing on all
> > > cylinders. If wearing a mask led to re-inhalation of one’s own carbon
> > > dioxide (called “hypercapnia”) and the resultant sleepiness and trouble
> > > thinking as mask detractors claim, we’d all be wandering around maimed
> > > from
> > > zombified surgeons. And there would be way fewer baby showers for the
> > > TV OR
> > > staff.
> > >
> > > More specifically, the porous nature of the material used for both
> > > medical-grade masks and cloth masks fully permits normal respiration.
> If
> > > you can inhale through it, you can exhale through it. There is no
> > trapping
> > > and recirculating of air (otherwise it would blow up like a balloon
> when
> > > you breathe out).
> > >
> > > LYING ABOUT HAVING AN OBSTRUCTIVE AIRWAY DISEASE IS LIKE BUYING A
> SERVICE
> > > DOG VEST FOR YOUR IGUANA AND I DON’T WANT TO SIT NEXT TO YOUR IGUANA,
> > > KAREN
> > >
> > > Also circulating around is a printable card citing the Americans with
> > > Disabilities Act and stating the bearer does not need to comply with
> > > masking, which anyone can print.
> > >
> > > Firstly, COPD patients are extremely vulnerable to viral infections and
> > > could use the extra protection masking affords. Many people with mild,
> > > well-controlled COPD can tolerate a mask just fine, since the added
> > > resistance is minimal, but people with more severe disease cannot.
> > >
> > > Ever been on a flight with someone’s pet in a fake service dog vest?
> How
> > > did lying work out? Don’t be an emotional support peacock.
> > >
> > > FACEMASKS: THEY’RE ABOUT YOUR FACE, BUT NOT AN ABOUT-FACE
> > >
> > > There is confusion about why initially masks were NOT recommended, but
> > now
> > > they are. In early March the world experienced a catastrophic shortage
> in
> > > Personal Protective Equipment, most of which was made in China.
> Frontline
> > > health care workers were barebacking it, despite caring for patients
> > > suffering from a lethal infectious disease. Many became infected, and
> > some
> > > died. Hospitals rationed equipment like it was the elixir of life. We
> > came
> > > up with clever ways to reuse and sterilize masks. We all remembered
> > fondly
> > > the days when we just *threw the extra gloves which come out of the
> > > box all
> > > glommed together away* like we were glove billionaires or something.
> > >
> > > Against that backdrop the public was advised not to wear masks. That
> was
> > > not because masks weren’t safe, effective, or a great idea. It was
> > because
> > > masks were RATIONED where they were needed most.
> > >
> > > Now, things have opened up- medical masks are available again. Cloth
> face
> > > coverings, 

Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Surgical masks and cloth masks are far less restrictive than n95s. Here is
an article on n95s in healthcare workers. If a nurse can do this for 12h
walking all over the place without any issues, the rest of us can tolerate
cloth masks for a trip to the grocery store.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20420727/?fbclid=IwAR2i2WntsznayV4nJcAf0Nzi6kaHV5lLfdqhvQOKemqBCBN9bmBLpjoMaBk

On Wed, May 20, 2020, 4:11 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Very few people outside hospitals wear or have access to surgical
> masks.   Most people are wearing home made is lam coverings.   THe
> oxygen deprivation and/or CO2 accumulation is unknown for these, and is
> probably in line with the results of the study you want to trash outright.
>
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> > May 20, 2020 at 4:33 PM
> > Masks could be helpful. The evidence is not great as Max alludes, but
> they
> > definitely do not increase transmission and look increasingly like they
> > provide benefit in preventing transmission. There are no harmful effects;
> > whoever wrote the O2 thing is full of BS.
> >
> > This was a recent summary, with refs:
> >
> >
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=137495654570048=100553591597588
> >
> > Facemasks, facemasks, facemasks! The transmission control strategy so
> > effective, safe, and nice, we say it thrice! (Now, with numbers!)
> >
> > FACEMASKS: SAFE FOR DOCTORS AND THOSE WHO PLAY THEM ON TV
> >
> > Much of the worry about masks centers on misunderstandings about carbon
> > dioxide.
> >
> > Ever had surgery? Did you notice all the fully alert, bustling, masked
> > people- many of whom wear masks for 24+ hours in a row (‍♀️been
> there,
> > got the scrub top). Medical types prefer to keep their wits about them.
> > Operating, making snappy decisions, flirting with the scrub nurse (that’s
> > for the TV docs)- it requires those masked people to be firing on all
> > cylinders. If wearing a mask led to re-inhalation of one’s own carbon
> > dioxide (called “hypercapnia”) and the resultant sleepiness and trouble
> > thinking as mask detractors claim, we’d all be wandering around maimed
> > from
> > zombified surgeons. And there would be way fewer baby showers for the
> > TV OR
> > staff.
> >
> > More specifically, the porous nature of the material used for both
> > medical-grade masks and cloth masks fully permits normal respiration. If
> > you can inhale through it, you can exhale through it. There is no
> trapping
> > and recirculating of air (otherwise it would blow up like a balloon when
> > you breathe out).
> >
> > LYING ABOUT HAVING AN OBSTRUCTIVE AIRWAY DISEASE IS LIKE BUYING A SERVICE
> > DOG VEST FOR YOUR IGUANA AND I DON’T WANT TO SIT NEXT TO YOUR IGUANA,
> > KAREN
> >
> > Also circulating around is a printable card citing the Americans with
> > Disabilities Act and stating the bearer does not need to comply with
> > masking, which anyone can print.
> >
> > Firstly, COPD patients are extremely vulnerable to viral infections and
> > could use the extra protection masking affords. Many people with mild,
> > well-controlled COPD can tolerate a mask just fine, since the added
> > resistance is minimal, but people with more severe disease cannot.
> >
> > Ever been on a flight with someone’s pet in a fake service dog vest? How
> > did lying work out? Don’t be an emotional support peacock.
> >
> > FACEMASKS: THEY’RE ABOUT YOUR FACE, BUT NOT AN ABOUT-FACE
> >
> > There is confusion about why initially masks were NOT recommended, but
> now
> > they are. In early March the world experienced a catastrophic shortage in
> > Personal Protective Equipment, most of which was made in China. Frontline
> > health care workers were barebacking it, despite caring for patients
> > suffering from a lethal infectious disease. Many became infected, and
> some
> > died. Hospitals rationed equipment like it was the elixir of life. We
> came
> > up with clever ways to reuse and sterilize masks. We all remembered
> fondly
> > the days when we just *threw the extra gloves which come out of the
> > box all
> > glommed together away* like we were glove billionaires or something.
> >
> > Against that backdrop the public was advised not to wear masks. That was
> > not because masks weren’t safe, effective, or a great idea. It was
> because
> > masks were RATIONED where they were needed most.
> >
> > Now, things have opened up- medical masks are available again. Cloth face
> > coverings, which are insufficient for frontline health care work around
> > massive doses of virus, have been proven effective for the general
> public.
> > Masking is now strongly recommended. Nothing about the virus or our
> > understanding of it has changed.
> >
> > YOUR MASK IS NOT A VIRUS CLUB MED
> >
> > Some people have argued that breathing into your mask sprays it chock
> full
> > o’virus, and then you’ll reinfect yourself constantly, like some kind of
> > COVID Dutch oven. Firstly- 

Re: [MBZ] OT: The Bug was Re: Sticking my neck out

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Montgomery County has an excellent website tracking the progress/recession
of COVID 19:

https://montgomerycountymd.gov/HHS/RightNav/Coronavirus-data.html


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:16 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Teslas are likely to do very well in terms of safety due to the mass of
> the vehicle but I am curious to know if they actually get in fewer
> accidents with all their autopilot doodads as well.
>
> On Wed, May 20, 2020, 7:25 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > They didn't show statistics for an S class. I suspect that it would be
> > at the top of the list.
> >
> > The trouble with statistics is that there are a lot of variables.  My
> > Camaro, for example,
> > had a TERRIBLE safety rating.  But, that's mostly because of the sorts of
> > folks who
> > liked to buy the things.  It always felt _very_ safe to me.  Solid,
> > stable, low to the ground.
> > And, in the minor quartering head-on I was in, I drove home afterwards,
> > the Mustang
> > I tangled with left on a hook, dripping fluids.  So, durable also.  If
> all
> > you looked at was
> > the numbers, you'd be misled about the car itself.  It was the bozos who
> > bought them,
> > myself perhaps included, and the way they liked to drive them that was
> the
> > problem.
> >
> > So, what do the Tesla numbers actually tell you?
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's it - I'm out.

Bigtime DC lawyer had a similar car in S class. The dash comprised  about
1/2 of a 90 year old walnut (?) tree.  Considering how ordinary the
exterior looked the impact of that wood was enough to blow your mind.

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:01 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> It’s not an S-class. The “regular” models were just Bakelite trim, I
> believe.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Why no massive wood dash?
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:09 PM Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:17:24 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz/180d/2401588.html
> >>
> >> Edgewood is where we shop for groceries and where our local Wal-Mart is.
> >>
> >> If anyone wants me to look at it, it's 10 - 20 miles from me.
> >>
> >> What kind of engine is that?
> >>
> >> I do recall our '72 220D/8 with an OM615 had the injection pump on the
> >> driver's side of the engine.
> >>
> >> I don't recall what our '64 190Dc had for an engine, nor specifically
> >> which side of the engine the injection pump was on, but I do recall
> >> replacing a gasket on the lift pump in my parents' garage in Eugene, OR,
> >> and that was on the driver's side, implying the injection pump was there
> >> as well.
> >>
> >> This car's engine appears to have the injection pump on the passenger's
> >> side with the lines going over to the driver's side. And what are those
> >> things on the side of the head above where the exhaust manifold
> connects?
> >>
> >> Very strange!
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s not an S-class. The “regular” models were just Bakelite trim, I believe.

-D

> On May 21, 2020, at 11:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why no massive wood dash?
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:09 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:17:24 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz/180d/2401588.html
>> 
>> Edgewood is where we shop for groceries and where our local Wal-Mart is.
>> 
>> If anyone wants me to look at it, it's 10 - 20 miles from me.
>> 
>> What kind of engine is that?
>> 
>> I do recall our '72 220D/8 with an OM615 had the injection pump on the
>> driver's side of the engine.
>> 
>> I don't recall what our '64 190Dc had for an engine, nor specifically
>> which side of the engine the injection pump was on, but I do recall
>> replacing a gasket on the lift pump in my parents' garage in Eugene, OR,
>> and that was on the driver's side, implying the injection pump was there
>> as well.
>> 
>> This car's engine appears to have the injection pump on the passenger's
>> side with the lines going over to the driver's side. And what are those
>> things on the side of the head above where the exhaust manifold connects?
>> 
>> Very strange!
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Mercedes-Benz 180D for sale #2401588 - Hemmings Motor News

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Why no massive wood dash?

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:09 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sat, 16 May 2020 22:17:24 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> >
> https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz/180d/2401588.html
>
> Edgewood is where we shop for groceries and where our local Wal-Mart is.
>
> If anyone wants me to look at it, it's 10 - 20 miles from me.
>
> What kind of engine is that?
>
> I do recall our '72 220D/8 with an OM615 had the injection pump on the
> driver's side of the engine.
>
> I don't recall what our '64 190Dc had for an engine, nor specifically
> which side of the engine the injection pump was on, but I do recall
> replacing a gasket on the lift pump in my parents' garage in Eugene, OR,
> and that was on the driver's side, implying the injection pump was there
> as well.
>
> This car's engine appears to have the injection pump on the passenger's
> side with the lines going over to the driver's side. And what are those
> things on the side of the head above where the exhaust manifold connects?
>
> Very strange!
>
>
> Craig
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[MBZ] Hahvahd

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Has anyone heard if the poor destitute Hahvahd Univ. (with their 40 
billion endowment) ever returned the PPP loan they so desperately needed 
to survive?


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[MBZ] Flooding in Michigan

[Craig via Mercedes]

Mitch,

Are you caught up in the flooding in your state?



Craig

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Present: '93 E300D/2.5 Turbo   354 kmi
 '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville   210 kmi
 (the Big Red Van, BRV)
 '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi

   Past: '90 E300D/2.5 Turbo   265 kmi   RIP
 '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi
 '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
 '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
 '82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
 '87 Dodge Grand Caravan RIP
 '86 190E/2.3
 '72 220/8
 '61 Willys Utility Wagon
 '59 Willys Utility Wagon
 '67 Volkswagen Fastback
 '64 190Dc  Emma
 '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi
 '69 Lotus Europa
 '64 Alfa Romeo Turrisimo Internationale
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Excellent. Thanks

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Wed, May 20, 2020, 10:44 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dwight inquires:
>
> >Will driving a,MB protect you?
>
> In a word, yes. From all manner of things.
> Speaking of newer Mercedes, of course.
> It will protect against allergens, provided you change the cabin filters.
> It will protect against foul odors from the outside environment when you
> activate the activated charcoal filter. It will protect against rear end
> collisions, with it's adaptive cruise control. I could go on, but here's a
> link. The next generation of previously owned Mercedes for our purchase
> will be awesome.
>
>
> https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/innovation/autonomous/the-new-s-class-intelligent-drive-next-level/
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT Study says: face masks are bad for you, don't protect you.

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> They have a cloth face mask, and are holding it under the blow dryer. Why?

Likely they washed it at the sink.

-- Jim


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