Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
IIRC, in the original post you said your dad bought the trailer new and never used it? They came with an "owners manual" so if that is tucked in a drawer somewhere, it should give you all the skinny on power requirements. I have a 5th wheel, same setup, roof air, and it takes 220v but pulls 110 off of one leg of the 220 to run the blower, while the compressor is 220. Coleman unit, which is very common for the travel trailer industry. About the only thing that changes from installations is the BTU rating of the AC unit, or the number of units on the roof. On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 8:18 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I sure figured these ran on 220 and the shore power cord if rather large, > but I’m pretty sure the label next to the power cord says something like > 125v 30 amp. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 8, 2021, at 10:07 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Almost forgot, LUBE THE SLIDE.. a lot... slides like to stick and hang > at > > the worst possible time, like when you are moments from pulling out of > > camp. I use dry film silicone because it doesn't absorb dirt as easily as > > some others. While you are at it, lube the jacks, they will work with > much > > less effort. > > Somewhere in the trailer storage bays there will be a power cord to hook > up > > at a RV park power plug. I'm taking bets that it has a 220 V / 30 amp > plug. > > If you are trying to run the AC on 110, the compressor is only getting > 110 > > on one leg of a 220 V compressor, so it says.. this isn't right, and > shuts > > down when it tries to cycle on the compressor. > > > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:53 PM G Mann wrote: > >> > >> When you replace the roof vents, use the metal ones. They are easily > >> available, and don't break into dust at the first hail stone. Same sizes > >> made in both metal and plastic, within pennies of the same cost. > >> Most 5th wheel roof air runs on 220 / 30 amp for the compressor, but the > >> blower fan is 110, thermostat could be AA or AAA battery, or 12V. Go on > >> the roof, pull the plastic cover, and read the data plate. Also, get the > >> Mfg and model. Then go to google university for all the details. > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Yea, there is just no telling. I need to do some research and see if I > >>> can find any sort of good info on diagnosing these things. > >>> > >>> On 8/8/2021 9:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Ah I missed that it was the AC that was tripping out, I thought you > >>> were talking about the slide motor. > > So the overall current reqirement should be enough to run the AC plus > >>> whatever other appliances might be in use in the camper. Fridge, TV, > >>> microwave, etc. I would think 20 amps would be enough to run the AC by > >>> itself. Yes I agree if it was drawing more than 20 amps your shop > breaker > >>> should have tripped. > > Maybe the freon has leaked down and the low pressure limit is cutting > >>> out when the compressor is trying to come on. > > Allan > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > I found the breaker panel, nothing tripped or any fuses blow but > can’t > >>> really tell if that strange fuse for the slide is blown. Will check > closer. > > > > So if the AC unit was working and it it was pulling too many amps it > >>> should simply trip the breaker in the shop? I seem to recall when I > had a > >>> camper several years ago it did the same thing when plugged into a > normal > >>> 110 20 amp outlet. Will probably just install a 30 amp out there and > see > >>> what happens > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 8, 2021, at 8:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> I think the 30 amp requirement is just to handle the various lights > >>> and appliances that campers might be using. > >> > >> There should be a panel somewhere with a couple of breakers. > Probably > >>> worth trying to find a Jayco forum online somewhere, with people who > know > >>> about these. > >> > >> Allan > >> > >> > >>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and > >>> haul > >>> it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used > it > >>> so > >>> it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at > >>> all, > >>> does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in > >>> manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual > >>> jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated > 2008. > >>> Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be > >>> cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were > broke
Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
RV's are, universally, either 120V 30A, or 220V 50A. The 30A is so that you can run the AC _and_ everything else on one circuit. It is possible that your adapter (and/or something else) has enough resistance in it that an attempt to draw more than 20A drops the voltage enough to trip the AC off, while not actually drawing more than 20A from the source breaker. You simply must investigate. Monitor the AC voltage in the camper when the AC attempts to start. That should tell you if there's a resistance problem. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
I sure figured these ran on 220 and the shore power cord if rather large, but I’m pretty sure the label next to the power cord says something like 125v 30 amp. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2021, at 10:07 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > Almost forgot, LUBE THE SLIDE.. a lot... slides like to stick and hang at > the worst possible time, like when you are moments from pulling out of > camp. I use dry film silicone because it doesn't absorb dirt as easily as > some others. While you are at it, lube the jacks, they will work with much > less effort. > Somewhere in the trailer storage bays there will be a power cord to hook up > at a RV park power plug. I'm taking bets that it has a 220 V / 30 amp plug. > If you are trying to run the AC on 110, the compressor is only getting 110 > on one leg of a 220 V compressor, so it says.. this isn't right, and shuts > down when it tries to cycle on the compressor. > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:53 PM G Mann wrote: >> >> When you replace the roof vents, use the metal ones. They are easily >> available, and don't break into dust at the first hail stone. Same sizes >> made in both metal and plastic, within pennies of the same cost. >> Most 5th wheel roof air runs on 220 / 30 amp for the compressor, but the >> blower fan is 110, thermostat could be AA or AAA battery, or 12V. Go on >> the roof, pull the plastic cover, and read the data plate. Also, get the >> Mfg and model. Then go to google university for all the details. >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> Yea, there is just no telling. I need to do some research and see if I >>> can find any sort of good info on diagnosing these things. >>> >>> On 8/8/2021 9:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Ah I missed that it was the AC that was tripping out, I thought you >>> were talking about the slide motor. So the overall current reqirement should be enough to run the AC plus >>> whatever other appliances might be in use in the camper. Fridge, TV, >>> microwave, etc. I would think 20 amps would be enough to run the AC by >>> itself. Yes I agree if it was drawing more than 20 amps your shop breaker >>> should have tripped. Maybe the freon has leaked down and the low pressure limit is cutting >>> out when the compressor is trying to come on. Allan On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > I found the breaker panel, nothing tripped or any fuses blow but can’t >>> really tell if that strange fuse for the slide is blown. Will check closer. > > So if the AC unit was working and it it was pulling too many amps it >>> should simply trip the breaker in the shop? I seem to recall when I had a >>> camper several years ago it did the same thing when plugged into a normal >>> 110 20 amp outlet. Will probably just install a 30 amp out there and see >>> what happens > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 8, 2021, at 8:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I think the 30 amp requirement is just to handle the various lights >>> and appliances that campers might be using. >> >> There should be a panel somewhere with a couple of breakers. Probably >>> worth trying to find a Jayco forum online somewhere, with people who know >>> about these. >> >> Allan >> >> >>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >>> Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and >>> haul >>> it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used it >>> so >>> it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at >>> all, >>> does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in >>> manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual >>> jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated 2008. >>> Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be >>> cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were broken >>> in >>> a hail store and he had them covered with trash bags, a piece of >>> wood, a >>> plastic storage tub lid, and bricks. I will replace those asap. I >>> assumed these things ran off of 220 so I parked it by the shop to >>> plug >>> it in but I guess its actually 120 30 amp. Do not have one of those >>> so >>> I used an adapter and plugged it into the regular 20 amp outlets. I >>> wanted to see if the AC would work and it sounds like it kicks on >>> for a >>> second then shuts off. I figured if the 20 amp would not run it, it >>> would simply trip the breaker when trying to kick on. So the question >>> is, with it running on 20amp, would this be the reason it will not >>> stay >>> running? Does not have enough amps? I would not think that would be >>> the >>> reason the
Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
Almost forgot, LUBE THE SLIDE.. a lot... slides like to stick and hang at the worst possible time, like when you are moments from pulling out of camp. I use dry film silicone because it doesn't absorb dirt as easily as some others. While you are at it, lube the jacks, they will work with much less effort. Somewhere in the trailer storage bays there will be a power cord to hook up at a RV park power plug. I'm taking bets that it has a 220 V / 30 amp plug. If you are trying to run the AC on 110, the compressor is only getting 110 on one leg of a 220 V compressor, so it says.. this isn't right, and shuts down when it tries to cycle on the compressor. On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:53 PM G Mann wrote: > When you replace the roof vents, use the metal ones. They are easily > available, and don't break into dust at the first hail stone. Same sizes > made in both metal and plastic, within pennies of the same cost. > Most 5th wheel roof air runs on 220 / 30 amp for the compressor, but the > blower fan is 110, thermostat could be AA or AAA battery, or 12V. Go on > the roof, pull the plastic cover, and read the data plate. Also, get the > Mfg and model. Then go to google university for all the details. > > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Yea, there is just no telling. I need to do some research and see if I >> can find any sort of good info on diagnosing these things. >> >> On 8/8/2021 9:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >> > Ah I missed that it was the AC that was tripping out, I thought you >> were talking about the slide motor. >> > >> > So the overall current reqirement should be enough to run the AC plus >> whatever other appliances might be in use in the camper. Fridge, TV, >> microwave, etc. I would think 20 amps would be enough to run the AC by >> itself. Yes I agree if it was drawing more than 20 amps your shop breaker >> should have tripped. >> > >> > Maybe the freon has leaked down and the low pressure limit is cutting >> out when the compressor is trying to come on. >> > >> > Allan >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> >> I found the breaker panel, nothing tripped or any fuses blow but can’t >> really tell if that strange fuse for the slide is blown. Will check closer. >> >> >> >> So if the AC unit was working and it it was pulling too many amps it >> should simply trip the breaker in the shop? I seem to recall when I had a >> camper several years ago it did the same thing when plugged into a normal >> 110 20 amp outlet. Will probably just install a 30 amp out there and see >> what happens >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 8:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I think the 30 amp requirement is just to handle the various lights >> and appliances that campers might be using. >> >>> >> >>> There should be a panel somewhere with a couple of breakers. Probably >> worth trying to find a Jayco forum online somewhere, with people who know >> about these. >> >>> >> >>> Allan >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and >> haul >> it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used it >> so >> it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at >> all, >> does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in >> manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual >> jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated 2008. >> Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be >> cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were broken >> in >> a hail store and he had them covered with trash bags, a piece of >> wood, a >> plastic storage tub lid, and bricks. I will replace those asap. I >> assumed these things ran off of 220 so I parked it by the shop to >> plug >> it in but I guess its actually 120 30 amp. Do not have one of those >> so >> I used an adapter and plugged it into the regular 20 amp outlets. I >> wanted to see if the AC would work and it sounds like it kicks on >> for a >> second then shuts off. I figured if the 20 amp would not run it, it >> would simply trip the breaker when trying to kick on. So the question >> is, with it running on 20amp, would this be the reason it will not >> stay >> running? Does not have enough amps? I would not think that would be >> the >> reason the slide is not working, maybe a fuse or something. I >> checked >> the fuses but it has some sort of strange fuse for the slide. Maybe >> its >> like some sort of circuit breaker fuse, not sure. Need to replace >> the >> tires and repack the wheel bearings before I attempt to use it. Wife >> has a deal she is go
Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
When you replace the roof vents, use the metal ones. They are easily available, and don't break into dust at the first hail stone. Same sizes made in both metal and plastic, within pennies of the same cost. Most 5th wheel roof air runs on 220 / 30 amp for the compressor, but the blower fan is 110, thermostat could be AA or AAA battery, or 12V. Go on the roof, pull the plastic cover, and read the data plate. Also, get the Mfg and model. Then go to google university for all the details. On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 7:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yea, there is just no telling. I need to do some research and see if I > can find any sort of good info on diagnosing these things. > > On 8/8/2021 9:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > > Ah I missed that it was the AC that was tripping out, I thought you were > talking about the slide motor. > > > > So the overall current reqirement should be enough to run the AC plus > whatever other appliances might be in use in the camper. Fridge, TV, > microwave, etc. I would think 20 amps would be enough to run the AC by > itself. Yes I agree if it was drawing more than 20 amps your shop breaker > should have tripped. > > > > Maybe the freon has leaked down and the low pressure limit is cutting > out when the compressor is trying to come on. > > > > Allan > > > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >> I found the breaker panel, nothing tripped or any fuses blow but can’t > really tell if that strange fuse for the slide is blown. Will check closer. > >> > >> So if the AC unit was working and it it was pulling too many amps it > should simply trip the breaker in the shop? I seem to recall when I had a > camper several years ago it did the same thing when plugged into a normal > 110 20 amp outlet. Will probably just install a 30 amp out there and see > what happens > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Aug 8, 2021, at 8:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I think the 30 amp requirement is just to handle the various lights > and appliances that campers might be using. > >>> > >>> There should be a panel somewhere with a couple of breakers. Probably > worth trying to find a Jayco forum online somewhere, with people who know > about these. > >>> > >>> Allan > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and haul > it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used it > so > it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at all, > does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in > manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual > jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated 2008. > Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be > cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were broken > in > a hail store and he had them covered with trash bags, a piece of > wood, a > plastic storage tub lid, and bricks. I will replace those asap. I > assumed these things ran off of 220 so I parked it by the shop to plug > it in but I guess its actually 120 30 amp. Do not have one of those > so > I used an adapter and plugged it into the regular 20 amp outlets. I > wanted to see if the AC would work and it sounds like it kicks on for > a > second then shuts off. I figured if the 20 amp would not run it, it > would simply trip the breaker when trying to kick on. So the question > is, with it running on 20amp, would this be the reason it will not > stay > running? Does not have enough amps? I would not think that would be > the > reason the slide is not working, maybe a fuse or something. I checked > the fuses but it has some sort of strange fuse for the slide. Maybe > its > like some sort of circuit breaker fuse, not sure. Need to replace the > tires and repack the wheel bearings before I attempt to use it. Wife > has a deal she is going to in September and it would be nice to have > it > for that. Its a 3 day show of some sort for her business and this > would > save driving back and forth. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> ___
Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
Yea, there is just no telling. I need to do some research and see if I can find any sort of good info on diagnosing these things. On 8/8/2021 9:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Ah I missed that it was the AC that was tripping out, I thought you were talking about the slide motor. So the overall current reqirement should be enough to run the AC plus whatever other appliances might be in use in the camper. Fridge, TV, microwave, etc. I would think 20 amps would be enough to run the AC by itself. Yes I agree if it was drawing more than 20 amps your shop breaker should have tripped. Maybe the freon has leaked down and the low pressure limit is cutting out when the compressor is trying to come on. Allan On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I found the breaker panel, nothing tripped or any fuses blow but can’t really tell if that strange fuse for the slide is blown. Will check closer. So if the AC unit was working and it it was pulling too many amps it should simply trip the breaker in the shop? I seem to recall when I had a camper several years ago it did the same thing when plugged into a normal 110 20 amp outlet. Will probably just install a 30 amp out there and see what happens Sent from my iPhone On Aug 8, 2021, at 8:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I think the 30 amp requirement is just to handle the various lights and appliances that campers might be using. There should be a panel somewhere with a couple of breakers. Probably worth trying to find a Jayco forum online somewhere, with people who know about these. Allan On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and haul it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used it so it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at all, does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated 2008. Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were broken in a hail store and he had them covered with trash bags, a piece of wood, a plastic storage tub lid, and bricks. I will replace those asap. I assumed these things ran off of 220 so I parked it by the shop to plug it in but I guess its actually 120 30 amp. Do not have one of those so I used an adapter and plugged it into the regular 20 amp outlets. I wanted to see if the AC would work and it sounds like it kicks on for a second then shuts off. I figured if the 20 amp would not run it, it would simply trip the breaker when trying to kick on. So the question is, with it running on 20amp, would this be the reason it will not stay running? Does not have enough amps? I would not think that would be the reason the slide is not working, maybe a fuse or something. I checked the fuses but it has some sort of strange fuse for the slide. Maybe its like some sort of circuit breaker fuse, not sure. Need to replace the tires and repack the wheel bearings before I attempt to use it. Wife has a deal she is going to in September and it would be nice to have it for that. Its a 3 day show of some sort for her business and this would save driving back and forth. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2011 E350 Sport 4Matic - 107k miles - $12,500
Looks pretty clean... https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/west-chester-mercedes-e350-sport/7362935433.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Brand new 22 inch wheels and rims
Never seen a wrap of just half of the car... https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/decatur-2007-mercedes-benz/7362924364.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 2010 ML350 Bluetec - 135k miles - $7,500
Black over black -- but might be a reasonable deal? https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2010-mercedes-benz-ml350/7362932193.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
Ah I missed that it was the AC that was tripping out, I thought you were talking about the slide motor. So the overall current reqirement should be enough to run the AC plus whatever other appliances might be in use in the camper. Fridge, TV, microwave, etc. I would think 20 amps would be enough to run the AC by itself. Yes I agree if it was drawing more than 20 amps your shop breaker should have tripped. Maybe the freon has leaked down and the low pressure limit is cutting out when the compressor is trying to come on. Allan On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 10:10 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > I found the breaker panel, nothing tripped or any fuses blow but can’t really > tell if that strange fuse for the slide is blown. Will check closer. > > So if the AC unit was working and it it was pulling too many amps it should > simply trip the breaker in the shop? I seem to recall when I had a camper > several years ago it did the same thing when plugged into a normal 110 20 amp > outlet. Will probably just install a 30 amp out there and see what happens > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 8, 2021, at 8:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > I think the 30 amp requirement is just to handle the various lights and > > appliances that campers might be using. > > > > There should be a panel somewhere with a couple of breakers. Probably worth > > trying to find a Jayco forum online somewhere, with people who know about > > these. > > > > Allan > > > > > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > >> Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and haul > >> it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used it so > >> it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at all, > >> does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in > >> manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual > >> jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated 2008. > >> Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be > >> cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were broken in > >> a hail store and he had them covered with trash bags, a piece of wood, a > >> plastic storage tub lid, and bricks. I will replace those asap. I > >> assumed these things ran off of 220 so I parked it by the shop to plug > >> it in but I guess its actually 120 30 amp. Do not have one of those so > >> I used an adapter and plugged it into the regular 20 amp outlets. I > >> wanted to see if the AC would work and it sounds like it kicks on for a > >> second then shuts off. I figured if the 20 amp would not run it, it > >> would simply trip the breaker when trying to kick on. So the question > >> is, with it running on 20amp, would this be the reason it will not stay > >> running? Does not have enough amps? I would not think that would be the > >> reason the slide is not working, maybe a fuse or something. I checked > >> the fuses but it has some sort of strange fuse for the slide. Maybe its > >> like some sort of circuit breaker fuse, not sure. Need to replace the > >> tires and repack the wheel bearings before I attempt to use it. Wife > >> has a deal she is going to in September and it would be nice to have it > >> for that. Its a 3 day show of some sort for her business and this would > >> save driving back and forth. > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Gazelle - Ford platform - $15,000
Whenever I see these I think the tires are much too wide. I guess it makes for better handling and safety but just looks wrong. Tires in 1929 were much narrower. https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/hebron-1929-mercedes-gazelle/7362867098.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
I found the breaker panel, nothing tripped or any fuses blow but can’t really tell if that strange fuse for the slide is blown. Will check closer. So if the AC unit was working and it it was pulling too many amps it should simply trip the breaker in the shop? I seem to recall when I had a camper several years ago it did the same thing when plugged into a normal 110 20 amp outlet. Will probably just install a 30 amp out there and see what happens Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2021, at 8:26 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think the 30 amp requirement is just to handle the various lights and > appliances that campers might be using. > > There should be a panel somewhere with a couple of breakers. Probably worth > trying to find a Jayco forum online somewhere, with people who know about > these. > > Allan > > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and haul >> it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used it so >> it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at all, >> does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in >> manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual >> jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated 2008. >> Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be >> cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were broken in >> a hail store and he had them covered with trash bags, a piece of wood, a >> plastic storage tub lid, and bricks. I will replace those asap. I >> assumed these things ran off of 220 so I parked it by the shop to plug >> it in but I guess its actually 120 30 amp. Do not have one of those so >> I used an adapter and plugged it into the regular 20 amp outlets. I >> wanted to see if the AC would work and it sounds like it kicks on for a >> second then shuts off. I figured if the 20 amp would not run it, it >> would simply trip the breaker when trying to kick on. So the question >> is, with it running on 20amp, would this be the reason it will not stay >> running? Does not have enough amps? I would not think that would be the >> reason the slide is not working, maybe a fuse or something. I checked >> the fuses but it has some sort of strange fuse for the slide. Maybe its >> like some sort of circuit breaker fuse, not sure. Need to replace the >> tires and repack the wheel bearings before I attempt to use it. Wife >> has a deal she is going to in September and it would be nice to have it >> for that. Its a 3 day show of some sort for her business and this would >> save driving back and forth. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes
Redneck engineering works! --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 8, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was at Harbor Freight today and they had a cheap overhead valve spring > compressor so I bought it. I tried it but could not see how to release the > spring keeper on the top of the valve stem. The compressor hooks around the > lower turns of the spring and then has a screw to press the top down. All it > did was pull the bottom of the spring up. > > So I gave up on that and used a hose clamp, a wooden block, and a pry bar to > operate the rocker arm with the pushrods removed. The valve seemed to move > fine; it felt the same as the one next to it anyway. > > New pushrod installed, clearances set, new spark plugs -- and it's running on > 4 cylinders now. Verified by checking exhaust pipe temps with infrared > thermometer. Also sounds better. > > Drives somewhat better, still stumbles when I put my foot down. Now that it's > running on 4 cylinders, my carb balancing is off. So I need to go through > that again. I'm going to play with the timing a bit also, it's roughly right > but maybe I can advance it a bit more. > > And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs apart and > go through them. > > Allan > >> On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 12:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >> Could be. Rotate engine so that cylinder is "up" and then remove the valve >> springs for exhaust and intake. They should move by finger. >> >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> >> Aug 7, 2021 11:52:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes : >> >>> Think it is possible that the valve siezed up from sitting and that's what >>> bent the pushrod when someone finally tried to start it? >>> >>> Thinking about trying to rig something up so I can press the valve stem >>> with a pry bar to see if it moves. >>> >>> Allan >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 6:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive. -D > On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three > are straight. > > It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these? > > https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000 > > Pretty inexpensive! > > Allan > > > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up >> against the cam lobe. >> >> -D >> >>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, >>> but I >>> really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember. >>> What >>> a great book! >>> >>> OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel >>> and >>> below the crankshaft? Is that right? IIRC that is the setup. Probably >>> not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end >>> in >>> the head somewhere. >>> - >>> Max >>> Charleston SC >>> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Travel trailers
I think the 30 amp requirement is just to handle the various lights and appliances that campers might be using. There should be a panel somewhere with a couple of breakers. Probably worth trying to find a Jayco forum online somewhere, with people who know about these. Allan On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and haul > it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used it so > it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at all, > does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in > manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual > jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated 2008. > Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be > cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were broken in > a hail store and he had them covered with trash bags, a piece of wood, a > plastic storage tub lid, and bricks. I will replace those asap. I > assumed these things ran off of 220 so I parked it by the shop to plug > it in but I guess its actually 120 30 amp. Do not have one of those so > I used an adapter and plugged it into the regular 20 amp outlets. I > wanted to see if the AC would work and it sounds like it kicks on for a > second then shuts off. I figured if the 20 amp would not run it, it > would simply trip the breaker when trying to kick on. So the question > is, with it running on 20amp, would this be the reason it will not stay > running? Does not have enough amps? I would not think that would be the > reason the slide is not working, maybe a fuse or something. I checked > the fuses but it has some sort of strange fuse for the slide. Maybe its > like some sort of circuit breaker fuse, not sure. Need to replace the > tires and repack the wheel bearings before I attempt to use it. Wife > has a deal she is going to in September and it would be nice to have it > for that. Its a 3 day show of some sort for her business and this would > save driving back and forth. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes
I was at Harbor Freight today and they had a cheap overhead valve spring compressor so I bought it. I tried it but could not see how to release the spring keeper on the top of the valve stem. The compressor hooks around the lower turns of the spring and then has a screw to press the top down. All it did was pull the bottom of the spring up. So I gave up on that and used a hose clamp, a wooden block, and a pry bar to operate the rocker arm with the pushrods removed. The valve seemed to move fine; it felt the same as the one next to it anyway. New pushrod installed, clearances set, new spark plugs -- and it's running on 4 cylinders now. Verified by checking exhaust pipe temps with infrared thermometer. Also sounds better. Drives somewhat better, still stumbles when I put my foot down. Now that it's running on 4 cylinders, my carb balancing is off. So I need to go through that again. I'm going to play with the timing a bit also, it's roughly right but maybe I can advance it a bit more. And then if it's still not right I guess I need to take the carbs apart and go through them. Allan On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 12:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > Could be. Rotate engine so that cylinder is "up" and then remove the valve > springs for exhaust and intake. They should move by finger. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > > Aug 7, 2021 11:52:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes : > > > Think it is possible that the valve siezed up from sitting and that's what > > bent the pushrod when someone finally tried to start it? > > > > Thinking about trying to rig something up so I can press the valve stem > > with a pry bar to see if it moves. > > > > Allan > > > > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 6:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three > >>> are straight. > >>> > >>> It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these? > >>> > >>> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000 > >>> > >>> Pretty inexpensive! > >>> > >>> Allan > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up > against the cam lobe. > > -D > > > On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, > > but I > > really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember. > > What > > a great book! > > > > OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel > > and > > below the crankshaft? Is that right? IIRC that is the setup. Probably > > not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end > > in > > the head somewhere. > > - > > Max > > Charleston SC > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Travel trailers
Today's project was to pickup my fathers 2006 Jayco 5th wheel and haul it home. He bought it in 2014 and hauled it home, and never used it so it has sat. When we plugged it in the slide would not retract at all, does not even act like its trying to do anything so I cranked it in manually. It is also somewhat of a basic trailer so it has manual jacks, not electric jacks. Tires are dry rotted and are dated 2008. Anyway hooked it up and got it home without incident. Needs to be cleaned up and both roof vents need to be replace. They were broken in a hail store and he had them covered with trash bags, a piece of wood, a plastic storage tub lid, and bricks. I will replace those asap. I assumed these things ran off of 220 so I parked it by the shop to plug it in but I guess its actually 120 30 amp. Do not have one of those so I used an adapter and plugged it into the regular 20 amp outlets. I wanted to see if the AC would work and it sounds like it kicks on for a second then shuts off. I figured if the 20 amp would not run it, it would simply trip the breaker when trying to kick on. So the question is, with it running on 20amp, would this be the reason it will not stay running? Does not have enough amps? I would not think that would be the reason the slide is not working, maybe a fuse or something. I checked the fuses but it has some sort of strange fuse for the slide. Maybe its like some sort of circuit breaker fuse, not sure. Need to replace the tires and repack the wheel bearings before I attempt to use it. Wife has a deal she is going to in September and it would be nice to have it for that. Its a 3 day show of some sort for her business and this would save driving back and forth. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inverter mini-split and Generators
I had several surges when I first moved in, destroying several pieces of electronics. The main problem then was that someone had connected the main power ground to one of the lightning rod grounds. Removing that jumper solved a lot. Now I have a Duke Power suppressor under the meter, suppressors in the sub panels and grounded UPS for network and TV stuff. So far, so good. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 8:48 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List My 3 LG units all want 30A 220V breakers. No idea if they reach even close to 30A. Note that one unit has fried 2 main circuit boards at like $400 a pop. They seem very sensitive to spikes, once from a system spike (that also fried some of our water company controllers/monitors down the road, those were MUCH more costly to repair) so you might also want some surge suppressors on the feed from the generator. --FT Sent from iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, a question for Jaime or other NE folk
Bay Ridge is far from downtown. There are subways everywhere. It would be insane to rent a car unless your work day involves driving around the Bay Ridge area. How much time will you have? Take the Staten Island ferry - great trip. Or the circle Line around Manhattan. Visit lower Manhattan to see the 911 memorial and then take the ferry to Liberty Island. Plenty of great museums and Broadway theaters may be opening up. On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 12:58 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If you rent a car, remember this: No right turn on red! > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > > Aug 7, 2021 10:48:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >: > > > It looks like I might be working with a dealership in Brooklyn a couple > of weeks. I am a simple country boy from Okie Acres and have not every > been in the NYC area. JFK or Laguardia? Is this a situation where I > should uber everywhere or rent a car like I usually do? The dealership > appears to be in the Bay Bridge area as far as I can tell on the maps. > Closest Hilton property I can find is about 5-6 miles north of there. Not > sure if I will do it, but I may take SWMBO with me and stay after I am done > working for a few days to do some sight seeing. Never really had a desire > to go there myself but the wife does. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I kind of like this
Red interior is VERY popular. That dog will hunt. On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That red interior is sort of jarring to the eye. > > I’ve never cared for the R107. They’re big, heavy, lumbering beasts. Maybe > a 560, but nothing less. > > -D > > > On Aug 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/278520100708998/ > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I kind of like this
That red interior is sort of jarring to the eye. I’ve never cared for the R107. They’re big, heavy, lumbering beasts. Maybe a 560, but nothing less. -D > On Aug 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/278520100708998/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I kind of like this
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/278520100708998/ Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (Corrected) 1985 Euro 500SL - $15,500
My typo in subject line -- 1985. On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 1:59 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > The Euro 107 cars also have the bolted-on foglights under the bumper? I had > thought that was only the American versions with the DOT headlights. > > https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/chicago-ridge-mercedes-500-sl/7362621929.html > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 1995 Euro 500SL - $15,500
The Euro 107 cars also have the bolted-on foglights under the bumper? I had thought that was only the American versions with the DOT headlights. https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/chicago-ridge-mercedes-500-sl/7362621929.html Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inverter mini-split and Generators
I have Goldstar microwave from the late 1980s in my kitchen, still works fine. Allan On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, at 5:54 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > Scott, that's pretty much as I figured. > It's good to know the cheaper Pioneer/Gree class works about like I > thought the Mitsubishi/Fujitsu class units worked. > > It appears that Pioneer and Gree are now established names, if not top > tier names. I just did a search on Gree to make sure I was spelling it > right, and found out that Home Depot sells 114 items of that name. > Remember, in the 1980s, Goldstar (LG) and Samsung were no-name, but by > 1990 or so we figured out they held up better than RCA etc. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Barn Find 1969 280SE - $2,500
What strikes me is how durable those interior materials were at the time. Virtually indestructible On Sun, Aug 8, 2021 at 9:57 AM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > The power window harness is worth quite a bit. Assuming it hasn't rusted > away. > > On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, 12:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Yeah 25 years’ worth. Lot of rust in that last pic behind the rear door. >> It looks nice but closer inspection would likely show a sieve >> >> --FT >> Sent from iPhone >> >> > On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > Looks like the "barn" was under a tree. >> > >> > >> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/east-saint-louis-barn-find-1969/7362491631.html >> > >> > Allan >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Barn Find 1969 280SE - $2,500
The power window harness is worth quite a bit. Assuming it hasn't rusted away. On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, 12:29 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yeah 25 years’ worth. Lot of rust in that last pic behind the rear door. > It looks nice but closer inspection would likely show a sieve > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > > > On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Looks like the "barn" was under a tree. > > > > > https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/east-saint-louis-barn-find-1969/7362491631.html > > > > Allan > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, a question for Jaime or other NE folk
If you rent a car, remember this: No right turn on red! Max Dillon Charleston SC Aug 7, 2021 10:48:29 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > It looks like I might be working with a dealership in Brooklyn a couple of > weeks. I am a simple country boy from Okie Acres and have not every been in > the NYC area. JFK or Laguardia? Is this a situation where I should uber > everywhere or rent a car like I usually do? The dealership appears to be in > the Bay Bridge area as far as I can tell on the maps. Closest Hilton > property I can find is about 5-6 miles north of there. Not sure if I will do > it, but I may take SWMBO with me and stay after I am done working for a few > days to do some sight seeing. Never really had a desire to go there myself > but the wife does. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Ghia notes
Could be. Rotate engine so that cylinder is "up" and then remove the valve springs for exhaust and intake. They should move by finger. Max Dillon Charleston SC Aug 7, 2021 11:52:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes : > Think it is possible that the valve siezed up from sitting and that's what > bent the pushrod when someone finally tried to start it? > > Thinking about trying to rig something up so I can press the valve stem with > a pry bar to see if it moves. > > Allan > > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 6:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> It’s a VW - everything is, for the most part, inexpensive. >> >> -D >> >>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Pushrod is definitely bent based on the glass pane test. The other three >>> are straight. >>> >>> It's marked MPR-1000 on the rod so I guess it's these? >>> >>> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mel-mpr-1000 >>> >>> Pretty inexpensive! >>> >>> Allan >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: Solid tappet/follower in a bore in the crankcase that runs right up against the cam lobe. -D > On Aug 7, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yeah I was remembering something like that follower on the inner end, but > I > really need my "Complete Idiots Guide" exploded diagram to remember. What > a great book! > > OK so that follower is motivated by a separate shaft that runs parallel > and > below the crankshaft? Is that right? IIRC that is the setup. Probably > not going to be a concern here, problem is most likely at the outer end in > the head somewhere. > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:01 PM G Mann via Mercedes > > wrote: > >> … > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] interior was burned an fixed. 2014 s550 56k miles salvage - $24 (ATL)
The noive! On Sun, Aug 8, 2021, 12:19 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > no low balls please or trades. > > > https://brunswick.craigslist.org/cto/d/kingsland-2014-s550-56k-miles-salvage/7362239664.html > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] interior was burned an fixed. 2014 s550 56k miles salvage - $24 (ATL)
no low balls please or trades. https://brunswick.craigslist.org/cto/d/kingsland-2014-s550-56k-miles-salvage/7362239664.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Duramax
No idea. I did fill it back up yesterday so it is full right now. Will see how it starts in a little bit. On 8/8/2021 12:14 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Is there a check valve that keeps the fuel system pressurized? Rick From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: August 7, 2021 8:29 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: striplinka...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] The Duramax So yesterday truck sat for about a week at started right up as normal. It was right around half a tank of diesel. I filled it up then made about a 30 minute stop and it started fine but did seem to crank a little longer. This was with a full tank. This morning it’s at about 3/4 a tank and it started OK but had to crank longer than normal. It’s almost like it has an air leak when 3/4 full or more. Strange. I got the kit to rebuild the fuel filter head so will probably just go ahead and do that. How that I think about it, even before the injector job it do recall a few longer than normal crank times on occasion, I just thought it was due to bad injectors. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inverter mini-split and Generators
That was the reputation of LG, 5-10 years ago. And probably a good reason not to run one on dirty power. Just because my Fuitsu never minded running on a cheap genset doesn't mean it was safe. But they do appear to be more robust than LG. My current setup, if I fry the board in my condenser, I can always take out the $50 Rheem board and put the original Goodman board back in. Frying the board in the furnace might be a bit more expensive, but I got through a five day ice storm on a 1980s Coleman generator, so it seems safe enough. On 2021-08-08 08:47, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: My 3 LG units all want 30A 220V breakers. No idea if they reach even close to 30A. Note that one unit has fried 2 main circuit boards at like $400 a pop. They seem very sensitive to spikes, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb you need to track this guy down and go educate him
Oh yeah for sure but it’s for his youtuber content so he’ll make money on that. You could probably pick it up for a lot less once he squeezes it dry on that front. Aside from the paint it looked very clean. He had a nice S63 he unloaded to that news guy there. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:09 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > He overpaid. > >> On 8/7/2021 10:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: >> He bought a 240D 4spd At copart for a bit more than $2k. Aside from the >> paint it looks pretty good. He knows nothing about the car. He’s somewhere >> in or around Tulsa I think >> >> https://youtu.be/0k09jUZ1OKI >> >> --FT >> Sent from iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercamino
Benzamino. I’ve seen one around here. Very cool build. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/475727920381134/ > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inverter mini-split and Generators
My 3 LG units all want 30A 220V breakers. No idea if they reach even close to 30A. Note that one unit has fried 2 main circuit boards at like $400 a pop. They seem very sensitive to spikes, once from a system spike (that also fried some of our water company controllers/monitors down the road, those were MUCH more costly to repair) so you might also want some surge suppressors on the feed from the generator. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 8, 2021, at 1:23 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Bottom line: I took some measurements and I think it is very feasible to > power an INVERTER style mini-split HVAC from a generator. > > > > Last night I discovered that my cheapie Harbor Freight Cen-Tech clamp meter > had a peak-hold function. I don't know the meter's sample rate but I don't > think that matters because the readings were very consistent. > > I ran the heat pump in cooling initially but that wasn't really loading the > compressor so I switched to the heat function. > > I never saw a typical motor inrush spike. > > Initially, the unit always pulled 0.17-0.25 amps, for the low-speed blower > in the indoor unit, I thin. This is needed to sense indoor temperature. > > Then the outdoor fan came on with a peaks near 3 amps but a RMS current near > 1 amp. > > Finally the compressor began to ramp up; the average and peak currents > gradually increased as pressure built but there were no motor inrush spikes. > > > When the system stabilized on max heat the average RMS current was about 7-8 > amps with peaks at about 12-13 amps. These peaks were brief but continuous, > probably caused by charging input capacitors in the inverter. > > At this max heat setting the indoor unit pumped out very hot air. > > This Pioneer system is rated at 12K btu. The minimum circuit breaker spec > is 15 amps and the rated run current is 10 amps max. > > All this seems well within the capability of my 15KW Generac. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CLK320
That might be a reasonable deal if it is in reasonable condition, I see them around here on offer for around twice that. They are sort of a curious build build not unattractive. I kinda like them, the convertibles in particular but they all seem to have blown hydraulics. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 7, 2021, at 10:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > What's a decent-looking 2001 CLK320 worth? Is it worth owning? > Unknown (as yet) mechanical condition, but decent cosmetics. > Purple paint. Brother's thinking maybe he can get for $1500. > > -- Jim > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT got nailed by a hornet or bee or something this afternoon
Owie! No fun. Strong work on the fridge though. I hauled a large washer machine in mine, the poodles were not particularly happy they had to share the back with it but they endured. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 8, 2021, at 6:52 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > On 2021-08-07 20:49, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: >> No fun! Amazing how those insects figure out what the threat is and attack >> it. > > Got nailed by a baldface hornet walking by the ML350 a week ago. > Usually they're not that aggressive. > Later saw them congregating in the driver's door mirror. > Car's been parked since June, when my mom got a new fridge and I had the > delivery guys stick the old on in my car. > > Yes, you can put a 26 cu ft LG fridge in a W163. > No, there is not room for the thighs of a 5'9" male between the driver's seat > and the dashboard after running the seat forward enough to put a large fridge > in the back. It was fun driving home from mom's house that day. > > If my shoulder ever stops hurting, I need to clean out the garage and put my > new fridge in there. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The 300TurD lives!!!! PT 3
Correct but once I got it running again on tank fuel it ran fine, drove it up and down the driveway and it was fine. It is still likely full of gunk anyway but since the fuel was completely full, as in right up to the filler cap, I will probably never run it down to near empty or drain it. Fun times! --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 8, 2021, at 2:22 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > I recall there is an in tank fuel filter that sits at the bottom of the > tank where the fuel line attaches. I wager that the filter is completely > clogged with "something". I would attach a cheap 12v fuel pump to the tank > outlet fitting and try to pump fuel into a container. If that fails to > produce fuel, then insert a section of fuel line into the tank via the fill > tube and pump out as much fuel as you can to reduce what happens when you > unscrew that tank bottom fuel filter from the tank [it will be messy, plan > for it.] > Once that tank filter is out, you can assess how to proceed. > > >> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 4:46 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> I poured a quart of tranny fluid in and that got it moving. Drove it up >> and down the driveway, ran pretty well. Engine mounts are shot. Brakes hard >> but shutoff worked So there’s vacuum. Rear suspension pumped all the way >> up, I think the linkage is probably broken and the spheres are probably >> shot. I’ll look at that tomorrow. >> >> But a good feeling to resurrect a car that’s been sitting by the beach and >> who knows what abuse for 3 or more years. It’s still pretty much a turd but >> hey it runs! >> >> --FT >> Sent from iPhone >> >>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:34 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Cool. I was going to suggest compressed air into the line from the tank >> to see if it was clogged, but apparently not. If the fuel smells sketchy I >> wouldn’t risk running the tank out, I woudl try draining it and filling >> with fresh fuel. >>> >>> -D >>> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Tried one more thing. Took out the old inline filter and ran the line >> to the primer pump straight to the fuel feed line. Tried to prime it a >> bunch but felt like air in there. So figured what the hell and tried to >> start it again, fired off in about 15sec and is sitting here purring right >> along on whatever is in the tank. 2 windows even work! There are bottles of ATF in the car which suggests >> the tranny might not be Happy. Gonna try to move it in a bit. --FT Sent from iPhone >> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:01 PM, Buggered Benzmail < >> buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So I disconnected the fuel line and filled the line and the big >> inline filter. Primed it and filled the filter again and hooked it back up. >> Glowed and cranked and again it started and ran but only for a few minutes >> then started running rough. Would not increase RPMs then it died. I’m >> guessing whatever is in the tank is nasty. So I guess I will drain all that >> out and try with some fresh fuel. > > --FT > Sent from iPhone > >> On Aug 7, 2021, at 5:43 PM, Buggered Benzmail < >> buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Success >> >> I decided to fool with this thing a bit this afternoon. I got it for >> $300 a few months ago and it has been sitting. When I picked it up the guy >> who had it had been trying to start it without success from a jug of fuel. >> >> I charged up the battery a coupla days ago (nice Bosch battery) and >> gave it a go today. I could hear the glow plug relay clicking so it was >> working. Electrons were going to the glow plugs so that was good. I tried a >> few times to start it, nothing. So I disconnected the fuel line, which is >> going to a big in-line filter, and stuck it in a liter bottle of fuel. I >> pumped the primer and it seemed to be pulling fuel but it wasn’t before >> when the line was hooked to the tank. >> >> Glowed 3X then started cranking. After about 30seconds it lit right >> off!!! Yay me!!! And it ran quite nicely and the rear end even pumped up. >> It ran fine for a few minutes until the fuel in the bottle ran out. >> >> I hooked the line back to the tank line and tried starting no luck. >> The fuel gauge said the tank was full but who knows. I opened the tank cap >> and it was full right to the top. H. But it smells like paint thinner >> so who knows what it is. I tried the primer pump again but it seems like it >> is sucking air. Maybe I need to get some fuel in the line and see if I can >> start it again and then try to move it. >> >> Anyway, mostly successful! I’m excited. Now it becomes somewhat >> saleable maybe. >> >> >> >> >> --FT >> Sent from iPhone ___ http://
Re: [MBZ] The 300TurD lives!!!!
Great running project car. Offer it to the 123 facebook bunch for $1000. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT got nailed by a hornet or bee or something this afternoon
On 2021-08-07 20:49, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: No fun! Amazing how those insects figure out what the threat is and attack it. Got nailed by a baldface hornet walking by the ML350 a week ago. Usually they're not that aggressive. Later saw them congregating in the driver's door mirror. Car's been parked since June, when my mom got a new fridge and I had the delivery guys stick the old on in my car. Yes, you can put a 26 cu ft LG fridge in a W163. No, there is not room for the thighs of a 5'9" male between the driver's seat and the dashboard after running the seat forward enough to put a large fridge in the back. It was fun driving home from mom's house that day. If my shoulder ever stops hurting, I need to clean out the garage and put my new fridge in there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CLK320
IIRC the CLK was half C-class, half e-class, with S-class price tag. Seems like that makes it not as good as a W210 but not horrible either, except when it comes to buying model specific parts. Kinda like a SEC in the parts department. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inverter mini-split and Generators
Scott, that's pretty much as I figured. It's good to know the cheaper Pioneer/Gree class works about like I thought the Mitsubishi/Fujitsu class units worked. It appears that Pioneer and Gree are now established names, if not top tier names. I just did a search on Gree to make sure I was spelling it right, and found out that Home Depot sells 114 items of that name. Remember, in the 1980s, Goldstar (LG) and Samsung were no-name, but by 1990 or so we figured out they held up better than RCA etc. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
