[MBZ] Using lift to replace shocks

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

One of the next projects with the lift will be replacing the shocks on 
the 99 E300.  Never done it with a lift and looking for whatever 
procedure you guys with lifts use.  Do you remove the top nuts while its 
on the ground, then lift, replace shocks, set it back on the ground and 
reinstall top nuts?



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[MBZ] V12 Biturbo AMG

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Carmax offered a $70k car for $36k.
Widebody 124 AMG coupe content at end of video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIwmEIRp0X8

Widebody AMG 560SEC:
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Re: [MBZ] 09S550 walk-around

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Nice looking car. Should clean up well with some effort.

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes. It works.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> Subject: [MBZ] 09S550 walk-around
> 
> I was looking at the car before the guy got there.  We got it started
> once we got a good battery to put in it, it was spewing tranny fluid out
> the cooler, and no coolant, so did not drive it but it did move forward
> and backward before the fluid got too low.  Ran OK otherwise.
> 
> The guy at the yard put a new hood and fender on it from one he had in
> the yard so that is good.  Needs a little alignment but saves having to
> source that.
> 
> It's coming Monday, some guy is hauling it down here for me for $250
> which is not a bad deal as it saves me the time, headache and gas to go
> up and back to fetch it.
> 
> I made a youtuber!  Let me know if it works.  The sound is not real good
> as I was using my ifōn and there was a lot of road noise nearby but you
> can mostly hear me.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyhzdhFIcZ0=PLWqf4iZ_lFsWdmeef_K30pdvF9Wy4BbJ1
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

This is the first time hearing the sound of an OM606 Diesel engine!! It seems 
pretty smooth and quiet! I like the look (feel) of the W210 chassis. One of 
those would be nice to cruise around here in NC! It wouldn’t be just putting 
around town since we live in the country. A Diesel would get to hwy speeds 
since everything is at least 8 miles away. I’m going to have to search for 
another Mercedes Diesel.Kevin in Lexington, NC

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Well, it's from Okie, so it might be half fast.


Rick

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Pretty sure it’s fast.

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
> Are these as Poky as a non aspirated w123 300D?
>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 4:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> 1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel
>>
>>
>> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/nowata-1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/7424736388.html
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

well if you don’t sell it before next week, I’m gonna call those knuckleheads 
back and ask him again with a specific year and model.

AZBob

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I will make you a good deal
> 
>> On 12/24/2021 4:26 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> So I wonder why one of the breathalyzer places said that we couldn’t put a 
>> breathalyzer on a diesel. I’m a little confused. Maybe I should call another 
>> place, because this is just what the boy, who is in rehab right now by the 
>> way, needs.
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s 134hp so faster than a 617 turbo.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
 wrote:
 
 
 Are these as Poky as a non aspirated w123 300D?
 
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 4:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel
> 
> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/nowata-1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/7424736388.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 09S550 walk-around

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yes. It works.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] 09S550 walk-around

I was looking at the car before the guy got there.  We got it started
once we got a good battery to put in it, it was spewing tranny fluid out
the cooler, and no coolant, so did not drive it but it did move forward
and backward before the fluid got too low.  Ran OK otherwise.

The guy at the yard put a new hood and fender on it from one he had in
the yard so that is good.  Needs a little alignment but saves having to
source that.

It's coming Monday, some guy is hauling it down here for me for $250
which is not a bad deal as it saves me the time, headache and gas to go
up and back to fetch it.

I made a youtuber!  Let me know if it works.  The sound is not real good
as I was using my ifōn and there was a lot of road noise nearby but you
can mostly hear me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyhzdhFIcZ0=PLWqf4iZ_lFsWdmeef_K30pdvF9Wy4BbJ1

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[MBZ] 09S550 walk-around

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I was looking at the car before the guy got there.  We got it started 
once we got a good battery to put in it, it was spewing tranny fluid out 
the cooler, and no coolant, so did not drive it but it did move forward 
and backward before the fluid got too low.  Ran OK otherwise.


The guy at the yard put a new hood and fender on it from one he had in 
the yard so that is good.  Needs a little alignment but saves having to 
source that.


It's coming Monday, some guy is hauling it down here for me for $250 
which is not a bad deal as it saves me the time, headache and gas to go 
up and back to fetch it.


I made a youtuber!  Let me know if it works.  The sound is not real good 
as I was using my ifōn and there was a lot of road noise nearby but you 
can mostly hear me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyhzdhFIcZ0=PLWqf4iZ_lFsWdmeef_K30pdvF9Wy4BbJ1

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

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I will make you a good deal

On 12/24/2021 4:26 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

So I wonder why one of the breathalyzer places said that we couldn’t put a 
breathalyzer on a diesel. I’m a little confused. Maybe I should call another 
place, because this is just what the boy, who is in rehab right now by the way, 
needs.

AZBob

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On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

It’s 134hp so faster than a 617 turbo.

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On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:


Are these as Poky as a non aspirated w123 300D?


On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 4:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/nowata-1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/7424736388.html


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Probably ignorance on their part. A modern diesel starts just like a gasoline 
car. Unless their thing can’t deal with a delay in starting while the engine 
glows?

-D

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 5:26 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So I wonder why one of the breathalyzer places said that we couldn’t put a 
> breathalyzer on a diesel. I’m a little confused. Maybe I should call another 
> place, because this is just what the boy, who is in rehab right now by the 
> way, needs.
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s 134hp so faster than a 617 turbo. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are these as Poky as a non aspirated w123 300D?
>>> 
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 4:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel
 
 https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/nowata-1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/7424736388.html
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

So I wonder why one of the breathalyzer places said that we couldn’t put a 
breathalyzer on a diesel. I’m a little confused. Maybe I should call another 
place, because this is just what the boy, who is in rehab right now by the way, 
needs.

AZBob

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s 134hp so faster than a 617 turbo. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Are these as Poky as a non aspirated w123 300D?
>> 
 On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 4:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel
>>> 
>>> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/nowata-1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/7424736388.html
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

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It’s 134hp so faster than a 617 turbo. 

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Are these as Poky as a non aspirated w123 300D?
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 4:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel
>> 
>> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/nowata-1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/7424736388.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E-350 4Matic - 139k miles - $4,200

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Only issue would be waiting for the sample and not having a baseline, either. A 
single sample is just a snapshot in time, without trending it’s not terribly 
useful unless things have already started to go south internally.

The alternative is if you get a decent deal and just drive it until it pukes 
(if it does.)

-D

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> I've thought about that too. I would think excess iron would show up in an 
> oil sample if things were going South. Maybe spot a good candidate, pull an 
> oil sample, and make a decision on that. I know Larry used to sell oil tests, 
> I hope he chimes in.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2006 E-350 4Matic - 139k miles - $4,200
> 
> I don't know about that, but I'm pretty sure that Larry Turner's car was
> well maintained at the time it failed. Maybe Larry could chime in with a
> more detailed history.
> 
> On 2021-12-24 13:21, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> So here’s what I find interesting about the M272 balance shaft issue:
>> 
>> I’ve see some cars in the affected range that have gone many miles,
>> like well past 100k, or even 150k, that never had an issue. I’m
>> wondering if there is a common thread with these, like regular oil
>> changes, for example? If that could be determined I would be far more
>> likely to risk owning one under the right circumstances.
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Pretty sure it’s fast.

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are these as Poky as a non aspirated w123 300D?
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 4:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel
>> 
>> 
>> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/nowata-1996-mercedes-benz-e300-diesel/7424736388.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Are these as Poky as a non aspirated w123 300D?

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 4:43 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel
>
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E-350 4Matic - 139k miles - $4,200

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I've thought about that too. I would think excess iron would show up in an oil 
sample if things were going South. Maybe spot a good candidate, pull an oil 
sample, and make a decision on that. I know Larry used to sell oil tests, I 
hope he chimes in.


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2006 E-350 4Matic - 139k miles - $4,200

I don't know about that, but I'm pretty sure that Larry Turner's car was
well maintained at the time it failed. Maybe Larry could chime in with a
more detailed history.

On 2021-12-24 13:21, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> So here’s what I find interesting about the M272 balance shaft issue:
>
> I’ve see some cars in the affected range that have gone many miles,
> like well past 100k, or even 150k, that never had an issue. I’m
> wondering if there is a common thread with these, like regular oil
> changes, for example? If that could be determined I would be far more
> likely to risk owning one under the right circumstances.


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[MBZ] Anybody want this fine automobile?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

1996 Mercedes-Benz E300 Diesel

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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E-350 4Matic - 139k miles - $4,200

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I don't know about that, but I'm pretty sure that Larry Turner's car was 
well maintained at the time it failed. Maybe Larry could chime in with a 
more detailed history.


On 2021-12-24 13:21, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

So here’s what I find interesting about the M272 balance shaft issue:

I’ve see some cars in the affected range that have gone many miles,
like well past 100k, or even 150k, that never had an issue. I’m
wondering if there is a common thread with these, like regular oil
changes, for example? If that could be determined I would be far more
likely to risk owning one under the right circumstances.



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Re: [MBZ] Seats cover leather for different car brand new different color my address 5900 Arlington Rd., $100

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That would spoil all the fun.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 12:27 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I wonder if he has any idea what is what and what all he has
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/250552393691447
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E-350 4Matic - 139k miles - $4,200

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So here’s what I find interesting about the M272 balance shaft issue:

I’ve see some cars in the affected range that have gone many miles, like well 
past 100k, or even 150k, that never had an issue. I’m wondering if there is a 
common thread with these, like regular oil changes, for example? If that could 
be determined I would be far more likely to risk owning one under the right 
circumstances.

-D

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 12:43 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He didn’t indicate it was munched. You might get some more miles out of it 
> but I would not pay that much for it given it will likely fail. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Offer $2K, find a wrecked E350 with a good engine, have a nice car? Looks 
>> clean and nice otherwise. The burl wood really looks good with the dark 
>> interior.
>> 
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/d/new-lenox-2006-mercedes-benz-350-4matic/7424411298.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E-350 4Matic - 139k miles - $4,200

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He didn’t indicate it was munched. You might get some more miles out of it but 
I would not pay that much for it given it will likely fail. 

--FT
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> 
> Offer $2K, find a wrecked E350 with a good engine, have a nice car? Looks 
> clean and nice otherwise. The burl wood really looks good with the dark 
> interior.
> 
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[MBZ] Seats cover leather for different car brand new different color my address 5900 Arlington Rd., $100

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I wonder if he has any idea what is what and what all he has

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/250552393691447

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Exactly correct.  I go up/down my driveway (which is somewhat bumpy with 
various tree roots in the tracks, if I was staying here I would get a 
coupla loads of gravel) in the 211 wagon and it is your typical MB sedan 
ride, absorbs the bumps with no drama. The E500 with air ride, which is 
now working, is stiffer than the wagon even on the "comfort" setting and 
you can feel the bumps but it does not bounce or pound.  The ML is 
rough, it hits and bounces on every one and is not particularly 
pleasant.  It does not take road bumps well either.  But it will tow a 
good load, and haul a fair amount of impedimenta, and will get through a 
lot of unpleasant stuff if you need to.


--FT

On 12/24/21 11:51 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I’m not sure I would say they’re “fun” to drive, but if you’re looking for a 
truck-like ride they fit the bill. They’re heavy and ride harshly, just as you 
would expect a 4WD truck on a frame to be.

I like them, but as a truck or SUV. I don’t think I would want to make any long 
trips in one, but the seating and appointments are good. You’re going to feel 
every bump in the road for sure.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

No not really, they are a "truck" and as such ride and handle like one 
with a stiff suspension and a higher ground clearance. But if you want 
to tow stuff, and have the AWD that can get you through some significant 
stuff, they are a good choice. Fun would be in off-roading, they are 
quite capable in that regard and can be lifted some too for bigger 
tires, a lot of guys are doing that.  Being higher they are easy to get 
in/out so that is a positive, and are quite roomy.  The 211 wagon can 
haul a good amount too and is much more refined but I wouldn't put a 
hitch on it to tow anything (maybe for a bike rack). The 4m can get you 
through a lot of stuff too but there is not a lot of ground clearance.


But for kinda all-around stuff, a real "SUV" not some poser soccer mommy 
ride, these are great in that regard.  I think MB did a really good job 
on the first-gen 163 for a good solid all-around SUV, the 164 is good 
too in the drive train (although the 722.9 is more concerning than the 
722.6) but has more nannies and seems to be more of a mall-crawler.  The 
163 is not bad to work on, mostly (aside from the stuff Dan has talked 
about as being a PITA) as there is a fair amount of room to get at most 
stuff.


--FT

On 12/24/21 11:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

So when all is said and done are they fun to drive?

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The 500s are the worst, they’ll tear the mounts apart, especially the
passenger side mount. The mounts are very different from the typical
Mercedes motor mount, and when the metal separates from the rubber you’ll
get some serious metal to metal contact, hence the “clunk” when you
accelerate or put the car in gear. Here’s what thtey look like:


https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-engine-mount-1632400317-1632400318

When they fail, and they do with regularity, the metal piece with the stud
on top tears loose from the rubber part and the engine can really flail
around. The metal bits bang against each other as the engine moves around,
so they make some nasty noises when this occurs.

Like most Mercedes mounts, the passenger side isn’t bad, but the driver’s
side is a real pig. On both you have to access them from the wheel well,
pulling the liner out and heat shields. Not a fun job. Some say you have to
remove the AC compressor, but I’ve been able to do it without going that
far.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at them,
thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.

--FT

On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan penoff.com  via Mercedes
wrote:
Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel
at significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg.
Straight out highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the
owners don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and
the OE parts are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive
so people often forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration
you’ll often hear them knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I
haven’t built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I
expect a number of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain
a level of functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make.
This ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com  via
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a
couple of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the
exception of the engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher
level, but other than that I would focus on service history.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Nuclear Operations Training Instructor
5801 South Wintersburg Road, Tonopah, AZ 

Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’m not sure I would say they’re “fun” to drive, but if you’re looking for a 
truck-like ride they fit the bill. They’re heavy and ride harshly, just as you 
would expect a 4WD truck on a frame to be.

I like them, but as a truck or SUV. I don’t think I would want to make any long 
trips in one, but the seating and appointments are good. You’re going to feel 
every bump in the road for sure.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So when all is said and done are they fun to drive?

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
The 500s are the worst, they’ll tear the mounts apart, especially the passenger 
side mount. The mounts are very different from the typical Mercedes motor 
mount, and when the metal separates from the rubber you’ll get some serious 
metal to metal contact, hence the “clunk” when you accelerate or put the car in 
gear. Here’s what thtey look like:

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-engine-mount-1632400317-1632400318

When they fail, and they do with regularity, the metal piece with the stud on 
top tears loose from the rubber part and the engine can really flail around. 
The metal bits bang against each other as the engine moves around, so they make 
some nasty noises when this occurs.

Like most Mercedes mounts, the passenger side isn’t bad, but the driver’s side 
is a real pig. On both you have to access them from the wheel well, pulling the 
liner out and heat shields. Not a fun job. Some say you have to remove the AC 
compressor, but I’ve been able to do it without going that far.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:

Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at them, 
thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.

--FT

On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedes wrote:
Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
  wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
  wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of 
MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
that I would focus on service history.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
  wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So when all is said and done are they fun to drive?

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:45 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 500s are the worst, they’ll tear the mounts apart, especially the
> passenger side mount. The mounts are very different from the typical
> Mercedes motor mount, and when the metal separates from the rubber you’ll
> get some serious metal to metal contact, hence the “clunk” when you
> accelerate or put the car in gear. Here’s what thtey look like:
>
>
> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-engine-mount-1632400317-1632400318
>
> When they fail, and they do with regularity, the metal piece with the stud
> on top tears loose from the rubber part and the engine can really flail
> around. The metal bits bang against each other as the engine moves around,
> so they make some nasty noises when this occurs.
>
> Like most Mercedes mounts, the passenger side isn’t bad, but the driver’s
> side is a real pig. On both you have to access them from the wheel well,
> pulling the liner out and heat shields. Not a fun job. Some say you have to
> remove the AC compressor, but I’ve been able to do it without going that
> far.
>
> -D
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at them,
> thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
> wrote:
> Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel
> at significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg.
> Straight out highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.
>
> I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the
> owners don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and
> the OE parts are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive
> so people often forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration
> you’ll often hear them knock.
>
> The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I
> haven’t built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I
> expect a number of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain
> a level of functionality at that location so I can do the work.
>
> -D
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>
> I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.
>
> Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make.
> This ML could be an option for him if he asks.
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:
>
> Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no
> lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a
> couple of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the
> exception of the engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher
> level, but other than that I would focus on service history.
>
> -D
>
> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>
> Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
> So far away…..
>
> AZBob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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>
> Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] Realtor spec 2001 E430 - 153k miles - $1,900

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

look underneath for rust

--FT

On 12/24/21 11:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Looks fairly clean; price seems low in this market? Wonder what's wrong with it.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/carpentersville-2001-mercedes-benz-e430/7424546378.html

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

The 500s are the worst, they’ll tear the mounts apart, especially the passenger 
side mount. The mounts are very different from the typical Mercedes motor 
mount, and when the metal separates from the rubber you’ll get some serious 
metal to metal contact, hence the “clunk” when you accelerate or put the car in 
gear. Here’s what thtey look like:

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-engine-mount-1632400317-1632400318

When they fail, and they do with regularity, the metal piece with the stud on 
top tears loose from the rubber part and the engine can really flail around. 
The metal bits bang against each other as the engine moves around, so they make 
some nasty noises when this occurs.

Like most Mercedes mounts, the passenger side isn’t bad, but the driver’s side 
is a real pig. On both you have to access them from the wheel well, pulling the 
liner out and heat shields. Not a fun job. Some say you have to remove the AC 
compressor, but I’ve been able to do it without going that far.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at them, 
thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.

--FT

On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of 
MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
that I would focus on service history.

-D

On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>  wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Realtor spec 2001 E430 - 153k miles - $1,900

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s cheap but being Chicago probably has a lot of rust, it which case run. 

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:31 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Looks fairly clean; price seems low in this market? Wonder what's wrong with 
> it.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/carpentersville-2001-mercedes-benz-e430/7424546378.html
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Those are cheap to replace if you need one, just plastic stuff and they 
are also quite brittle so easy to ding or break


--FT

On 12/24/21 11:23 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

It looks like he may have entered his parking garage a little aggressively 
because the front bumper looks a little wonky.

AZBob

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On Dec 24, 2021, at 9:19 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of 
MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
that I would focus on service history.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] OT: step van conversions

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah that is a really nice feature, he put a lot of thought into the 
build.  He has a good plan, that will help him get ahead. But he should 
take out massive school loans and then the gummint will forgive them.


--FT

On 12/24/21 10:56 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

On 2021-12-24 10:29, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

I bet that thing is noisy as hell to drive


The bunkhouse is incredibly insulated, but the cab is still 1990s 
Grumman.
It's for living, not for driving. He's a college student on the GI 
Bill, and then he's going to be an entry level pilot trying to build 
hours and living in an airport parking lot.


But there's something really original going on here. Jump to 19 
minutes and check out his "garage" space.


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Re: [MBZ] Realtor spec 2001 E430 - 153k miles - $1,900

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

End of year tax loss sale.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 11:31 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks fairly clean; price seems low in this market? Wonder what's wrong
> with it.
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/carpentersville-2001-mercedes-benz-e430/7424546378.html
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[MBZ] Realtor spec 2001 E430 - 153k miles - $1,900

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks fairly clean; price seems low in this market? Wonder what's wrong with it.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/d/carpentersville-2001-mercedes-benz-e430/7424546378.html

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Maybe that is what is clunking in my ML500, did not think to look at 
them, thought it was something in the suspension.  Good call.


--FT

On 12/24/21 11:18 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks.

AZBob

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of 
MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
that I would focus on service history.

-D


On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

It looks like he may have entered his parking garage a little aggressively 
because the front bumper looks a little wonky. 

AZBob

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 9:19 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
> significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
> highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.
> 
> I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the 
> owners don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the 
> OE parts are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so 
> people often forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll 
> often hear them knock.
> 
> The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
> built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a 
> number of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
> functionality at that location so I can do the work.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.
>> 
>> Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. 
>> This ML could be an option for him if he asks. 
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
>>> lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a 
>>> couple of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the 
>>> exception of the engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher 
>>> level, but other than that I would focus on service history.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
 So far away…..
 
 AZBob
 
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Re: [MBZ] Attractive silver blue 240D on BAT

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

LOL. Honestly didn't look that closely.


On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> You're going to skip over the turbo?
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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> 
>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 11:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 1977 Mercedes 240D, California car - $3,200
>> 
>> https://lasalle.craigslist.org/cto/d/wyanet-1977-mercedes-240d-california-car/7424512985.html
>> 
>> Probably needs glow plugs, a valve adjustment, M1 oil, and a few Italian 
>> tuneups
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, at 8:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> > Sold for $16.5.
>> > 
>> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 5:12 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >> Terrible color scheme.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, at 5:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> > And that automagical transmission. A real driver rows his own gears...
>> >> > -Curt
>> >> >
>> >> >On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 12:10:00 PM EST, Randy Bennell via 
>> >> > Mercedes  wrote:  
>> >> > 
>> >> >  Bah! Humbug! It is one of those new fangled W123 models.
>> >> > Mercedes hasn't built a decent car since the W115!
>> >> >
>> >> > Randy
>> >> >
>> >> > On 23/12/2021 10:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> >> With power windows for a change.  Seems like an honest 104k mile car.
>> >> >> Wonder how high it will go.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-240d-37/
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Do realize that these are far from efficient vehicles, and suck down fuel at 
significant volumes. A good tank will get you between 14-16 mpg. Straight out 
highway and nothing else a little more, but not much.

I woud look at motor mounts on any of these, as they’re often bad as the owners 
don’t want to pony up for replacement. It’s not a bad DIY job and the OE parts 
are relatively cheap, like $35/each, but it’s labor intensive so people often 
forego the work. You’ll know it as during acceleration you’ll often hear them 
knock.

The 2003 ML350 in Flagstaff needs mounts. They’re on the shelf, but I haven’t 
built up my tool chest there well enough that I can do them. I expect a number 
of gift cards for the holiday that will enable me to attain a level of 
functionality at that location so I can do the work.

-D

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.
> 
> Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. 
> This ML could be an option for him if he asks. 
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
>> lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple 
>> of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
>> engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
>> that I would focus on service history.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
>>> So far away…..
>>> 
>>> AZBob
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That looks pretty nice for the price, the miles are not "low" but it 
looks good and not in some rustbelt area so should be very clean.  
Nothing particularly exotic about these, be aware it's a "truck" and 
ride like one.  The 500 is quite powerful and can provide some fun in 
that regard, good tow vehicle, fuel economy is not too exciting but for 
what it is it does OK. Solid engine.  The AWD is very good if you do any 
snow or off-roading.  Having driven my 05ML500 now for a year and a half 
or so, I like it, good hauler, OK for road trips (a little noisy and 
somewhat tiring) but the 211 05E320 wagon is MUCH better, quieter and 
more refined in that regard.


Fly in and drive home, maybe beat on the seller a bit, but in this 
market that is a decent deal.


--FT

On 12/24/21 10:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no lights 
lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of MLs at 
this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the engine. 
ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than that I 
would focus on service history.

-D


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wrote:

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Attractive silver blue 240D on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

English red.  Might need a block heater.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 9:02 AM Curt Raymond  wrote:

> You're going to skip over the turbo?
>
> Curt
>
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>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 11:47 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 1977 Mercedes 240D, California car - $3,200
>
>
> https://lasalle.craigslist.org/cto/d/wyanet-1977-mercedes-240d-california-car/7424512985.html
>
> Probably needs glow plugs, a valve adjustment, M1 oil, and a few Italian
> tuneups
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, at 8:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > Sold for $16.5.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 5:12 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Terrible color scheme.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, at 5:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> > And that automagical transmission. A real driver rows his own gears...
> >> > -Curt
> >> >
> >> >On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 12:10:00 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
> >> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >  Bah! Humbug! It is one of those new fangled W123 models.
> >> > Mercedes hasn't built a decent car since the W115!
> >> >
> >> > Randy
> >> >
> >> > On 23/12/2021 10:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> >> With power windows for a change.  Seems like an honest 104k mile car.
> >> >> Wonder how high it will go.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-240d-37/
> >> >>
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I have been able to expand my foundational knowledge at your expense.

Future SIL overheated his 4runner, and now he has big boy choices to make. This 
ML could be an option for him if he asks. 

AZBob

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> On Dec 24, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no 
> lights lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple 
> of MLs at this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the 
> engine. ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than 
> that I would focus on service history.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
>> So far away…..
>> 
>> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] I wonder how much he made off this video?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I love this guy.

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 10:07 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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Re: [MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Just the usual stuff, like service records, etc. As long as there are no lights 
lit in the cluster you’re probably good. You’ve been through a couple of MLs at 
this point, they’re essentially the same with the exception of the engine. 
ML500s are typically optioned out at a higher level, but other than that I 
would focus on service history.

-D

> On Dec 24, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
> So far away…..
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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> Begin forwarded message:
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>> To: azbob...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/los-angeles-mercedes-benz-ml500-low/7424142790.html
>> 
>> 
>> Bob Rentfro
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>> Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072
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Re: [MBZ] OT: step van conversions

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2021-12-24 10:29, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

I bet that thing is noisy as hell to drive


The bunkhouse is incredibly insulated, but the cab is still 1990s 
Grumman.
It's for living, not for driving. He's a college student on the GI Bill, 
and then he's going to be an entry level pilot trying to build hours and 
living in an airport parking lot.


But there's something really original going on here. Jump to 19 minutes 
and check out his "garage" space.


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[MBZ] ‘03 ML500

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Looks nice. What ML500 specific questions would I ask?
So far away…..

AZBob

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> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/los-angeles-mercedes-benz-ml500-low/7424142790.html
>  
> 
> Bob Rentfro
> Nuclear Operations Training Instructor
> 5801 South Wintersburg Road, Tonopah, AZ 85354-7529, M.S. 7896
> Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072
>  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: step van conversions

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I bet that thing is noisy as hell to drive

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On 12/24/21 9:00 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

Could do it with a hi-top Sprinter too.
Better than average interior construction here, but I bet resale value 
is still far below lower quality commercial RVs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZzqBh9LOTs

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[MBZ] I wonder how much he made off this video?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVIeouihG1k


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Re: [MBZ] Attractive silver blue 240D on BAT

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You're going to skip over the turbo?
Curt

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  On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 11:47 PM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   1977 Mercedes 240D, California car - 
$3,200

https://lasalle.craigslist.org/cto/d/wyanet-1977-mercedes-240d-california-car/7424512985.html

Probably needs glow plugs, a valve adjustment, M1 oil, and a few Italian tuneups



On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, at 8:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Sold for $16.5.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 5:12 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Terrible color scheme.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021, at 5:09 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> > And that automagical transmission. A real driver rows his own gears...
>> > -Curt
>> >
>> >    On Thursday, December 23, 2021, 12:10:00 PM EST, Randy Bennell via 
>> > Mercedes  wrote:  
>> > 
>> >  Bah! Humbug! It is one of those new fangled W123 models.
>> > Mercedes hasn't built a decent car since the W115!
>> >
>> > Randy
>> >
>> > On 23/12/2021 10:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> With power windows for a change.  Seems like an honest 104k mile car.
>> >> Wonder how high it will go.
>> >>
>> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-240d-37/
>> >>
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[MBZ] OT: step van conversions

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Could do it with a hi-top Sprinter too.
Better than average interior construction here, but I bet resale value 
is still far below lower quality commercial RVs.


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Re: [MBZ] Attractive silver blue 240D on BAT

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

If that's a 240D, the wheels, OM617.951, and probably paint aren't 
original.


On 2021-12-23 23:44, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

1977 Mercedes 240D, California car - $3,200

https://lasalle.craigslist.org/cto/d/wyanet-1977-mercedes-240d-california-car/7424512985.html

Probably needs glow plugs, a valve adjustment, M1 oil, and a few 
Italian tuneups


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Re: [MBZ] No mechanical problems ar any kind of liks - 2010 ML350 - 220k miles - $8, 750

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I like liks on my cars

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