[MBZ] 2002 C320 Wagon - 135k miles - $2,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Do you suppose this just needs a new fan motor? Bad bearings causing overload 
and blowing fuses?

Boring colors but looks fairly nice otherwise and has a tow hitch.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/hendersonville-2002-mercedes-c320-wagon/7431145925.html

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Re: [MBZ] Needs oil pump?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

It ingested bits of balance shaft gear.


Rick

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Not can’t imagine what would cause the oil pump to be bad and if so did it 
trash the engine

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> Does that require engine to be taken out?
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Re: [MBZ] Looks to be an easy fix if I can get it cheap

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No

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:19 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
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> 
> The hitch is factory.
> And it has optional off road package.
> Was the 642 subject to the 272 balance shaft woes?
> 
> Interesting serial number, 41.
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Re: [MBZ] Needs oil pump?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking too but I have seen that something in there can 
go bad. Who knows. 

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 11:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Not can’t imagine what would cause the oil pump to be bad and if so did it 
> trash the engine 
> 
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>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does that require engine to be taken out?
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Looks to be an easy fix if I can get it cheap

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The hitch is factory.
And it has optional off road package.
Was the 642 subject to the 272 balance shaft woes?

Interesting serial number, 41.
https://mb-teilekatalog.info/view_DatacardAction.php?lang=E=4JGBF22E98A41

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[MBZ] Seems a little crackish for needing a head

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Re: [MBZ] Looks to be an easy fix if I can get it cheap

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I found them for around $3-400

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> On 2022-01-10 22:17, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Appears to just need a rear bumper.  Carfax shows rear damage front
>> airbags deployed.  Why would front airbags deploy in a rear
>> collision?  Does not look like they deployed in pics.
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/66500701/salvage-2008-mercedes-benz-gl-320-cdi-tx-san-antonio
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> Front bumper has Parktronic sensors in it.
> Does that make the back bumper a more expensive proposition?
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Re: [MBZ] Looks to be an easy fix if I can get it cheap

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On 2022-01-10 22:17, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Appears to just need a rear bumper.  Carfax shows rear damage front
airbags deployed.  Why would front airbags deploy in a rear
collision?  Does not look like they deployed in pics.

https://www.copart.com/lot/66500701/salvage-2008-mercedes-benz-gl-320-cdi-tx-san-antonio


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Does that make the back bumper a more expensive proposition?

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Re: [MBZ] Needs oil pump?

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Not can’t imagine what would cause the oil pump to be bad and if so did it 
trash the engine 

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> Does that require engine to be taken out?
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Re: [MBZ] Needs oil pump?

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Does that require engine to be taken out?

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[MBZ] Needs oil pump?

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2007 Mercedes ML500

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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

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That’s a good question. My guess is that since it was bought in the US, it gets 
ordered with US specs. They probably didn’t ask where its ultimate destination 
would be.

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
> That is why I thought it was interesting that it did not have the Euro 
> headlights.
> 
> Did the company assume it would be brought to the USA and thus ordered it 
> with USA equipment?
> 
> Randy
> 
>> On 1/10/2022 5:56 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> My parents bought it new at a NYC dealership (Helms Brothers) and picked it 
>> up via European delivery and drove it to Greece. It’s never been to the US.
>> 
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>>> 
>>> Interesting that it has North American style headlights.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
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 My dad with his 71 220 sometime in the mid seventies:
 
 
 
 Me with the same car in 2008:
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[MBZ] Looks to be an easy fix if I can get it cheap

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Appears to just need a rear bumper.  Carfax shows rear damage front 
airbags deployed.  Why would front airbags deploy in a rear collision?  
Does not look like they deployed in pics.


https://www.copart.com/lot/66500701/salvage-2008-mercedes-benz-gl-320-cdi-tx-san-antonio


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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

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Cars are heavier to be safer now - that costs fuel economy as well.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 8:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> They keep making them more powerful. Small engines turn out pretty
> amazing power these days but that comes at the expense of fuel economy.
>
> If people were happy with less power, the mileage would likely be better.
>
> Randy
>
> On 1/10/2022 7:53 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Its amazing cars are not getting 60-70mpg by now.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

But I suspect that now, it would also have to meet US regulations. Maybe 
not back in 1971.


Randy

On 1/10/2022 8:16 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Euro delivery has nothing to do with the build - the car is spec'ed out for the 
destination country, they deliver it to you at the customer delivery center in 
Mannheim with temporary (Euro) plates, and either they handle the shipping or 
you do. At least that's the way it used to be done. I suspect that now they 
handle the delivery.

-D

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

That is why I thought it was interesting that it did not have the Euro
headlights.

Did the company assume it would be brought to the USA and thus ordered
it with USA equipment?

Randy

On 1/10/2022 5:56 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

My parents bought it new at a NYC dealership (Helms Brothers) and picked it up 
via European delivery and drove it to Greece. It’s never been to the US.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 10, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

Interesting that it has North American style headlights.

Randy



On 10/01/2022 4:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
My dad with his 71 220 sometime in the mid seventies:



Me with the same car in 2008:






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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

They keep making them more powerful. Small engines turn out pretty 
amazing power these days but that comes at the expense of fuel economy.


If people were happy with less power, the mileage would likely be better.

Randy

On 1/10/2022 7:53 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Its amazing cars are not getting 60-70mpg by now.




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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

What was it that caused Craig to have surgery on his neck?

Randy

On 1/9/2022 9:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called.  Been going on for 
years but I have very limited range of motion on my neck.  Can not 
turn it very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift 
head very far such as trying to look at something directly overhead 
like a car on lift.  Also if drinking a can of soda or something like 
that, can't tilt head back far enough to get the last bit out while 
standing.  If I sit and can lean back I can. Also, when leaned over a 
car working on something for a little bit of time, takes me a few 
minute so be able to stand back upright.


Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays.  I have arthritis and I 
guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected 
vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd.  Have some 
narrowing in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to 
some pinched nerves.  This was discovered after I had a MRI.  I was 
then referred to spinal expert.  At first glance he says it appears I 
am going to need surgery.  I am not really having any other symptoms I 
have noticed except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers 
that might be part of this.  Given I have this blood clotting deal and 
have to be on warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless 
symptoms become worse.  In other words, I guess I just have to live 
with stiff sore hurting neck.


This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a 
chiropractor could help with?  Never been to one or know much about it.





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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

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Euro delivery has nothing to do with the build - the car is spec'ed out for the 
destination country, they deliver it to you at the customer delivery center in 
Mannheim with temporary (Euro) plates, and either they handle the shipping or 
you do. At least that's the way it used to be done. I suspect that now they 
handle the delivery.

-D

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To: Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

That is why I thought it was interesting that it did not have the Euro
headlights.

Did the company assume it would be brought to the USA and thus ordered
it with USA equipment?

Randy

On 1/10/2022 5:56 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> My parents bought it new at a NYC dealership (Helms Brothers) and picked it 
> up via European delivery and drove it to Greece. It’s never been to the US.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Interesting that it has North American style headlights.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>>> On 10/01/2022 4:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>>> My dad with his 71 220 sometime in the mid seventies:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Me with the same car in 2008:
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

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That is why I thought it was interesting that it did not have the Euro 
headlights.


Did the company assume it would be brought to the USA and thus ordered 
it with USA equipment?


Randy

On 1/10/2022 5:56 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

My parents bought it new at a NYC dealership (Helms Brothers) and picked it up 
via European delivery and drove it to Greece. It’s never been to the US.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 10, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

Interesting that it has North American style headlights.

Randy



On 10/01/2022 4:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
My dad with his 71 220 sometime in the mid seventies:



Me with the same car in 2008:






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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

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No rust on this one!

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:55 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
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> It looks exactly like the '70 220D that my Grandfather bought new. I owned
> it until it became too rusty to be safe to drive (first 100k in MN).
> 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

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It looks exactly like the '70 220D that my Grandfather bought new. I owned
it until it became too rusty to be safe to drive (first 100k in MN).

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> My dad with his 71 220 sometime in the mid seventies:
>
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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

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My parents bought it new at a NYC dealership (Helms Brothers) and picked it up 
via European delivery and drove it to Greece. It’s never been to the US.

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting that it has North American style headlights.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 10/01/2022 4:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> My dad with his 71 220 sometime in the mid seventies:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Me with the same car in 2008:
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

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She's a massage therapist which doesn't help. She's on her feet all day. To 
make it worse she's all frustrated that she can't "fix herself" which is crazy 
because she always says "I can't fix you"...
Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   What does she do Curt?

Randy


On 10/01/2022 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  I get it, she's a sole proprietor so if she's not working she's not making 
>any money
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

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Interesting that it has North American style headlights.

Randy


On 10/01/2022 4:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

My dad with his 71 220 sometime in the mid seventies:



Me with the same car in 2008:






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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

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> Don’t they mostly emit UV or something close then the phosphors absorb and 
> re-emit whatever color they are tuned to?  

Usually not.  I think mainstream is blue shining through a yellow phosphor.
The phosphors (multiple) emit the red and green wavelengths.  The result
is white(-ish).

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Re: [MBZ] Legacy of a /8

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Awesome! It's great you have the car!

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On 1/10/22 5:17 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

My dad with his 71 220 sometime in the mid seventies:



Me with the same car in 2008:






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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

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What does she do Curt?

Randy


On 10/01/2022 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  I get it, she's a sole proprietor so if she's not working she's not making 
any money

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

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used to need a flashlight to see dash lights on my 240D's

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>  How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with.
> The dash lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on
> the LEDs made a good improvement.
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via
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>  I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed.
> But maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but
> the bulb sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the
> bulb will be in "backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping
> > up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with
> > no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash
> > ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach
> > signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS
> > is causing the problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the
> > ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got
> > suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
> >
> > Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED
> > solution to better the OE type light bubs?
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[MBZ] This car is also a TV and Movie Star, 1972 Mercedes-Benz 250c, $5, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks fairly nice, green/tan

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[MBZ] My son could not bother to have it checked out. Needs transmission work 1999 Mercedes-Benz E-Class, $1, 400

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Fluid change/ conductor plate?

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Re: [MBZ] 2004 C240 4-Matic Wagon - 164k miles - $3,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I really need to just get off my butt and get the transmission fixed in the 
Element. That would serve the purpose. I procrastinated, and now it's cold.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 2:55 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> A neighbor in Houston had one of those in about that vintage, it was 
> constantly in the shop with electrical problems.  They finally gave her 
> full credit on it for a new one a coupla years newer and that one was fine.
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/10/22 2:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> I'm keeping an eye out for something like this to replace the old Ford Focus 
>> wagon. This example looks rusty, but hard to see the extent from the 
>> flip-phone photos posted.
>>
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-2004-mercedes-benz-c240-matic/7431032087.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2004 C240 4-Matic Wagon - 164k miles - $3,500

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A neighbor in Houston had one of those in about that vintage, it was 
constantly in the shop with electrical problems.  They finally gave her 
full credit on it for a new one a coupla years newer and that one was fine.


--FT

On 1/10/22 2:44 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

I'm keeping an eye out for something like this to replace the old Ford Focus 
wagon. This example looks rusty, but hard to see the extent from the flip-phone 
photos posted.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-2004-mercedes-benz-c240-matic/7431032087.html

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[MBZ] 2004 C240 4-Matic Wagon - 164k miles - $3,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I'm keeping an eye out for something like this to replace the old Ford Focus 
wagon. This example looks rusty, but hard to see the extent from the flip-phone 
photos posted.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-2004-mercedes-benz-c240-matic/7431032087.html

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[MBZ] This car is a piece of s*** and I curse Mercedes everyday for producing it

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] 2001 C230 - 91k miles - $5,500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Well you know what PTB said

Plus, the temp gauge was showing -40 which is not encouraging as to the 
functionality of the oldmanmobile 

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:28 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> So how is it "below KBB value" then?
> 
> There must be people paying that kind of money for that kind of car.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> Worth maybe half that on a good day
>> 
>> --FT
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>> 
 On Jan 10, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Isn't that a lot of $$s for a humble 20 year old C class with frosted
>>> headlamps?
>>> 
 On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:05 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 "Driven by 87 year old marine pilot"
 
 Presumably an estate sale, or the gentleman can no longer drive.
 
 
 https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2001-mercedes-c230/7430803045.html
 
 Looks like a nice car if you don't care about the color.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Don’t they mostly emit UV or something close then the phosphors absorb and 
re-emit whatever color they are tuned to?  

--FT
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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 1:08 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Cool white LEDs are usually kind of blue, most people prefer warm white 
>> which is actually a mix of white and yellow LEDs...
> 
> IIRC, all current 'white' LEDs are a mix of blue and yellow.
> A blue LED excites a yellow phosphor, and the balance is
> carefully tweaked in manufacture in order to yield the
> desired color balance.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

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> Cool white LEDs are usually kind of blue, most people prefer warm white which 
> is actually a mix of white and yellow LEDs...

IIRC, all current 'white' LEDs are a mix of blue and yellow.
A blue LED excites a yellow phosphor, and the balance is
carefully tweaked in manufacture in order to yield the
desired color balance.

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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s what contingency funds are for. When we were young we scraped to save 
the recommended six months of income. Fortunately, we never had to tap it, but 
just having it made decision making over things like this a lot less stressful.

-D

-D

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Her problem is that she won't take a solid week off to let it heal.
> 
> My brother broke his heel a few years ago.  The docs said that he had to stay 
> off of it for something
> like 90 days.  Same story: "I can't afford to do that..."
> 
> So now he's on permanent disability.  It never healed correctly and he 
> re-broke it a time or two during recovery.
> Can't stand for very long, and in continuous pain.  He talks about just 
> having it cut off sometimes.
> 
> Dumbass!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

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> Her problem is that she won't take a solid week off to let it heal.

My brother broke his heel a few years ago.  The docs said that he had to stay 
off of it for something
like 90 days.  Same story: "I can't afford to do that..."

So now he's on permanent disability.  It never healed correctly and he re-broke 
it a time or two during recovery.
Can't stand for very long, and in continuous pain.  He talks about just having 
it cut off sometimes.

Dumbass!

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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That sounds familiar.

Spousal unit wanted to come out to Flagstaff to see if an extended stay would 
help her arthritis due to previous experiences/stays.

Three-four days in she’s doing great, then she decides rather that turn up the 
thermostat she’s going to haul a load of wood in for the wood stove. And of 
course the result was a day or two of recovery. Duh!

I had a very stern talking-to with her about it, so that’s that, but it’s much 
the same. “I know I shouldn’t/should do something to recover, but this is more 
important so I’ll do it and just recover on the backside.”

Nope. Not how it works.

-D

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  As we age that healing takes longer and longer.Angie over-did it at the gym 
> back in November and her sciatic nerve either got pinched or rubbed on. It's 
> been 2 months of discomfort and pain.
> Her problem is that she won't take a solid week off to let it heal. She'll 
> take a day off, feel a little better and then try to do a full day's work. I 
> get it, she's a sole proprietor so if she's not working she's not making any 
> money but she's getting to where she needs 2 days off to put in one day so 
> she'll take one day off and work a half day...
> We had kind of a blowout about it this morning, she's getting worried about 
> money but can't break out of her cycle. I told her that if she wants to get 
> serious about letting herself heal I'll help her with the money but if she 
> wants to persist with her current tactic she might as well just close the 
> business. I'm not going to pay for her to follow a road we know leads to 
> failure.
> It's tough love but sometimes she needs these ultimatums to get her to do 
> what she already knows she needs to do.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>>On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:52:12 AM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable.
> 
> 
> It is. Six months post surgery, no pain, but I've still not regained my pre 
> injury strength. Still doing therapy. Getting better every day, but it is a 
> long slow process.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

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I consider both the W123 300D and the W116 300SD to be pretty noisy cars.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 12:24 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Not that I remember. The turbo would help to quiet the exhaust note at least.
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 12:12:14 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
>  So in such a light car do you hear the engine noise more loudly than in a
> 240 d?
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 8:49 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>  Mine is a 2015 with the common rail 2.0. Angie's Golf is a 2005 with the
>> 1.9L "Pump Deuce" engine. Her car regularly gets in the high 40s but rarely
>> breaks 50.
>> My old '98 Jetta with the old 1.9L engine was generally over 50mpg but
>> that was a light little rattle trap of a car. I loved it...
>> -Curt
>>
>>    On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:25:55 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>
>>  What year is that TDI?
>>
>> On 1/9/2022 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> > My '85 190D 2.2l 5spd did in the low 40's pretty consistently, I think
>> > the top was around 45mpg.
>> > Much more drivable than a 240D but nothing compared to a TDI. My Jetta
>> > is 240D size or maybe a little bigger and rarely gets under 48mpg.
>> >
>> > -Curt
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:18:08 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
>> > Mercedes  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Just got to thinking, with the rising fuel prices, I am probably going
>> > to have to break out the 190D 2.2 5 speed. But perhaps a CDI gets about
>> > the same mileage?
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2001 C230 - 91k miles - $5,500

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So how is it "below KBB value" then?

There must be people paying that kind of money for that kind of car.

Allan

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Worth maybe half that on a good day
>
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>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Isn't that a lot of $$s for a humble 20 year old C class with frosted
>> headlamps?
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:05 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> "Driven by 87 year old marine pilot"
>>> 
>>> Presumably an estate sale, or the gentleman can no longer drive.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2001-mercedes-c230/7430803045.html
>>> 
>>> Looks like a nice car if you don't care about the color.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

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 Not that I remember. The turbo would help to quiet the exhaust note at least.
-Curt

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 12:12:14 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 So in such a light car do you hear the engine noise more loudly than in a
240 d?

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>  Mine is a 2015 with the common rail 2.0. Angie's Golf is a 2005 with the
> 1.9L "Pump Deuce" engine. Her car regularly gets in the high 40s but rarely
> breaks 50.
> My old '98 Jetta with the old 1.9L engine was generally over 50mpg but
> that was a light little rattle trap of a car. I loved it...
> -Curt
>
>    On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:25:55 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  What year is that TDI?
>
> On 1/9/2022 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > My '85 190D 2.2l 5spd did in the low 40's pretty consistently, I think
> > the top was around 45mpg.
> > Much more drivable than a 240D but nothing compared to a TDI. My Jetta
> > is 240D size or maybe a little bigger and rarely gets under 48mpg.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:18:08 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just got to thinking, with the rising fuel prices, I am probably going
> > to have to break out the 190D 2.2 5 speed. But perhaps a CDI gets about
> > the same mileage?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

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So in such a light car do you hear the engine noise more loudly than in a
240 d?

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, 8:49 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>  Mine is a 2015 with the common rail 2.0. Angie's Golf is a 2005 with the
> 1.9L "Pump Deuce" engine. Her car regularly gets in the high 40s but rarely
> breaks 50.
> My old '98 Jetta with the old 1.9L engine was generally over 50mpg but
> that was a light little rattle trap of a car. I loved it...
> -Curt
>
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:25:55 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  What year is that TDI?
>
> On 1/9/2022 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > My '85 190D 2.2l 5spd did in the low 40's pretty consistently, I think
> > the top was around 45mpg.
> > Much more drivable than a 240D but nothing compared to a TDI. My Jetta
> > is 240D size or maybe a little bigger and rarely gets under 48mpg.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:18:08 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just got to thinking, with the rising fuel prices, I am probably going
> > to have to break out the 190D 2.2 5 speed. But perhaps a CDI gets about
> > the same mileage?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2001 C230 - 91k miles - $5,500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Worth maybe half that on a good day

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Isn't that a lot of $$s for a humble 20 year old C class with frosted
> headlamps?
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:05 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> "Driven by 87 year old marine pilot"
>> 
>> Presumably an estate sale, or the gentleman can no longer drive.
>> 
>> 
>> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2001-mercedes-c230/7430803045.html
>> 
>> Looks like a nice car if you don't care about the color.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Going with slightly higher wattage lamps in the W123 did make a noticeable 
difference, and as long as you didn’t max them out they wouldn’t melt anything.

-D

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:51 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree. W123 (and W116) dash lights at full brightness, with all bulbs 
> working, are just adequate at best. And I don't like a bright dashboard. On 
> other cars I typically set the dash lights somewhere between 50% - 75% of 
> full brightness.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I don't think I've ever driven a 124 at night but my 201s had pretty 
>> good dash lighting stock. 123 dash lights stink, the LEDs were a real 
>> upgrade.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:20:45 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:  
>> 
>> The bulbs typically last forever... there are more issues with dirty
>> contacts than the bulbs themselves, which LEDs won't solve.  Keep the look
>> original, it worked for 30+ years, it'll continue to work.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:16 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That’s one of my complaints when it comes to the “LED conversions” for
>>> older vehicles. I pay close attention to the color temperature of the LEDs,
>>> as higher = whiter/bluer.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 True, though when I got my Element I think every bulb but maybe one was
>>> burned out. The LEDs were OK, my main issues were that even though I
>>> ordered "white" LEDS, the light had a bluish cast which I didn't care for.
>>> Also the light did not seem to spread very well, so the instruments were
>>> unevenly illuminated with brighter and dimmer areas.
 
 The lighting was definitely usable and adequate, but I wasn't 100%
>>> satisfied.
 
 
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
> How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with.
>>> The dash lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on
>>> the LEDs made a good improvement.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed.
>>> But maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but
>>> the bulb sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the
>>> bulb will be in "backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping
>> up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0
>>> with
>> no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash
>> ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.  I know the tach
>> signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the
>>> EDS
>> is causing the problem.  On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the
>> ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got
>> suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
>> 
>> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED
>> solution to better the OE type light bubs?
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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 As we age that healing takes longer and longer.Angie over-did it at the gym 
back in November and her sciatic nerve either got pinched or rubbed on. It's 
been 2 months of discomfort and pain.
Her problem is that she won't take a solid week off to let it heal. She'll take 
a day off, feel a little better and then try to do a full day's work. I get it, 
she's a sole proprietor so if she's not working she's not making any money but 
she's getting to where she needs 2 days off to put in one day so she'll take 
one day off and work a half day...
We had kind of a blowout about it this morning, she's getting worried about 
money but can't break out of her cycle. I told her that if she wants to get 
serious about letting herself heal I'll help her with the money but if she 
wants to persist with her current tactic she might as well just close the 
business. I'm not going to pay for her to follow a road we know leads to 
failure.
It's tough love but sometimes she needs these ultimatums to get her to do what 
she already knows she needs to do.

-Curt

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:52:12 AM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable.


It is. Six months post surgery, no pain, but I've still not regained my pre 
injury strength. Still doing therapy. Getting better every day, but it is a 
long slow process.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

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> The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable.


It is. Six months post surgery, no pain, but I've still not regained my pre 
injury strength. Still doing therapy. Getting better every day, but it is a 
long slow process.


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

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I agree. W123 (and W116) dash lights at full brightness, with all bulbs 
working, are just adequate at best. And I don't like a bright dashboard. On 
other cars I typically set the dash lights somewhere between 50% - 75% of full 
brightness.

Allan

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I don't think I've ever driven a 124 at night but my 201s had pretty 
> good dash lighting stock. 123 dash lights stink, the LEDs were a real 
> upgrade.
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:20:45 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via 
> Mercedes  wrote:  
> 
>  The bulbs typically last forever... there are more issues with dirty
> contacts than the bulbs themselves, which LEDs won't solve.  Keep the look
> original, it worked for 30+ years, it'll continue to work.
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:16 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> That’s one of my complaints when it comes to the “LED conversions” for
>> older vehicles. I pay close attention to the color temperature of the LEDs,
>> as higher = whiter/bluer.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > True, though when I got my Element I think every bulb but maybe one was
>> burned out. The LEDs were OK, my main issues were that even though I
>> ordered "white" LEDS, the light had a bluish cast which I didn't care for.
>> Also the light did not seem to spread very well, so the instruments were
>> unevenly illuminated with brighter and dimmer areas.
>> >
>> > The lighting was definitely usable and adequate, but I wasn't 100%
>> satisfied.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with.
>> The dash lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on
>> the LEDs made a good improvement.
>> >>
>> >> -Curt
>> >>
>> >> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed.
>> But maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but
>> the bulb sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the
>> bulb will be in "backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.
>> >>
>> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> >>> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping
>> >>> up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0
>> with
>> >>> no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash
>> >>> ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.  I know the tach
>> >>> signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the
>> EDS
>> >>> is causing the problem.  On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the
>> >>> ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got
>> >>> suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
>> >>>
>> >>> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED
>> >>> solution to better the OE type light bubs?
>> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

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Shoulders benefit from active therapy - even after rotator cuff surgery
(which I had on each shoulder 11 years apart).  The pain is quite powerful
but the results are worth it.  I've experienced no discomfort in either
shoulder since completing surgery and followup PT.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I strained my rotator cuff a couple years ago. Mentioned it to my
> chiropractor, he said "Oh yeah, I can help with that." I'll be danged but
> he was right. He made an adjustment and gave me a stretch for it and about
> 2 weeks later it was back to normal.He said that many rotator cuff tears
> were the result of people ignoring a strain, the muscle woudl weaken and
> then tear later.
> The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable.
> -Curt
>
> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:18:49 AM EST, dan penoff.com via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  Shoulders are different than necks AFAIK.
>
> I had a similar issue with my left shoulder that my PA said was an
> inflammation of the “capsule” around the joint. After an injection and
> round of oral steroids it was a lot better, and in less than maybe six
> months or so I’ve regained mobility that I had lost.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Already did that, did not help.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume
> they would have referred you if it could.
> >>
> >> I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last
> two years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as
> good as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it
> seemed to get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise.
> >>
> >>
>  On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called.  Been going on for
> years
> >>> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck.  Can not turn it
> >>> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head
> very
> >>> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car
> on
> >>> lift.  Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't
> tilt
> >>> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing.  If I sit
> >>> and can lean back I can.  Also, when leaned over a car working on
> >>> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able
> to
> >>> stand back upright.
> >>>
> >>> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays.  I have arthritis and I
> >>> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected
> >>> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd.  Have some
> narrowing
> >>> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some
> pinched
> >>> nerves.  This was discovered after I had a MRI.  I was then referred
> to
> >>> spinal expert.  At first glance he says it appears I am going to need
> >>> surgery.  I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed
> >>> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be
> >>> part of this.  Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on
> >>> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms
> become
> >>> worse.  In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore
> >>> hurting neck.
> >>>
> >>> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a
> >>> chiropractor could help with?  Never been to one or know much about it.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I don't think I've ever driven a 124 at night but my 201s had pretty good dash 
lighting stock. 123 dash lights stink, the LEDs were a real upgrade.
-Curt

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:20:45 AM EST, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The bulbs typically last forever... there are more issues with dirty
contacts than the bulbs themselves, which LEDs won't solve.  Keep the look
original, it worked for 30+ years, it'll continue to work.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:16 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s one of my complaints when it comes to the “LED conversions” for
> older vehicles. I pay close attention to the color temperature of the LEDs,
> as higher = whiter/bluer.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > True, though when I got my Element I think every bulb but maybe one was
> burned out. The LEDs were OK, my main issues were that even though I
> ordered "white" LEDS, the light had a bluish cast which I didn't care for.
> Also the light did not seem to spread very well, so the instruments were
> unevenly illuminated with brighter and dimmer areas.
> >
> > The lighting was definitely usable and adequate, but I wasn't 100%
> satisfied.
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> >>
> >> How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with.
> The dash lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on
> the LEDs made a good improvement.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed.
> But maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but
> the bulb sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the
> bulb will be in "backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping
> >>> up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0
> with
> >>> no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash
> >>> ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.  I know the tach
> >>> signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the
> EDS
> >>> is causing the problem.  On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the
> >>> ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got
> >>> suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
> >>>
> >>> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED
> >>> solution to better the OE type light bubs?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

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 I strained my rotator cuff a couple years ago. Mentioned it to my 
chiropractor, he said "Oh yeah, I can help with that." I'll be danged but he 
was right. He made an adjustment and gave me a stretch for it and about 2 weeks 
later it was back to normal.He said that many rotator cuff tears were the 
result of people ignoring a strain, the muscle woudl weaken and then tear later.
The strain I had sure hurt, a tear must be miserable.
-Curt

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 11:18:49 AM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Shoulders are different than necks AFAIK.

I had a similar issue with my left shoulder that my PA said was an inflammation 
of the “capsule” around the joint. After an injection and round of oral 
steroids it was a lot better, and in less than maybe six months or so I’ve 
regained mobility that I had lost.

-D

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Already did that, did not help. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume they 
>> would have referred you if it could.
>> 
>> I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last two 
>> years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as good 
>> as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it seemed 
>> to get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise.
>> 
>> 
 On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called.  Been going on for years 
>>> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck.  Can not turn it 
>>> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very 
>>> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on 
>>> lift.  Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt 
>>> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing.  If I sit 
>>> and can lean back I can.  Also, when leaned over a car working on 
>>> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to 
>>> stand back upright.
>>> 
>>> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays.  I have arthritis and I 
>>> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected 
>>> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd.  Have some narrowing 
>>> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched 
>>> nerves.  This was discovered after I had a MRI.  I was then referred to 
>>> spinal expert.  At first glance he says it appears I am going to need 
>>> surgery.  I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed 
>>> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be 
>>> part of this.  Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on 
>>> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become 
>>> worse.  In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore 
>>> hurting neck.
>>> 
>>> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a 
>>> chiropractor could help with?  Never been to one or know much about it.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Cool white LEDs are usually kind of blue, most people prefer warm white which 
is actually a mix of white and yellow LEDs...
-Curt

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:44:20 AM EST, Allan Streib 
 wrote:  
 
 True, though when I got my Element I think every bulb but maybe one was burned 
out. The LEDs were OK, my main issues were that even though I ordered "white" 
LEDS, the light had a bluish cast which I didn't care for. Also the light did 
not seem to spread very well, so the instruments were unevenly illuminated with 
brighter and dimmer areas.

The lighting was definitely usable and adequate, but I wasn't 100% satisfied.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with. The dash 
lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on the LEDs 
made a good improvement.

-Curt

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed. But 
maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but the bulb 
sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the bulb will be in 
"backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.

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> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping 
> up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with 
> no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash 
> ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach 
> signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS 
> is causing the problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the 
> ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got 
> suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
>
> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED 
> solution to better the OE type light bubs?
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Re: [MBZ] Got plates on the E500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Incorrect. The masses are mostly boring. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe to you but not to the masses.
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 10:29 AM Buggered Benzmail 
>>  wrote:
>> It actually doesn’t look too bad all cleaned up but it’s still quite boring 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Fancy color - you're a PLAYER.
>>> 
 On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:05 AM Floyd Thursby  
 wrote:
 693U TRAVERTINE BEIGE - METALLIC PAINT
 
 
 835A AMARETTA/LEATHER/NAPPA/SEMI-ANILINE - BEIGE
 
 
 
 
 
 On 1/9/22 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Smoke silver?  Mocha?  Silver beige?
> 
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 6:55 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Good to know, might need to hit you up for advice when I get ready to do 
>> it.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 1/9/22 5:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>> > My brother has it's twin.  Just did the front end last year -- struts 
>> > and control arms.
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
>> > On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> >
>> >> And a wash and wax on a 70F January day. Looks quite spiffy for 
>> >> boring beige.  It’s a quite nice car.  Needs new front tires and ball 
>> >> joints and control arms though. More to come!
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

The bulbs typically last forever... there are more issues with dirty
contacts than the bulbs themselves, which LEDs won't solve.  Keep the look
original, it worked for 30+ years, it'll continue to work.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:16 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s one of my complaints when it comes to the “LED conversions” for
> older vehicles. I pay close attention to the color temperature of the LEDs,
> as higher = whiter/bluer.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > True, though when I got my Element I think every bulb but maybe one was
> burned out. The LEDs were OK, my main issues were that even though I
> ordered "white" LEDS, the light had a bluish cast which I didn't care for.
> Also the light did not seem to spread very well, so the instruments were
> unevenly illuminated with brighter and dimmer areas.
> >
> > The lighting was definitely usable and adequate, but I wasn't 100%
> satisfied.
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> >>
> >> How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with.
> The dash lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on
> the LEDs made a good improvement.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed.
> But maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but
> the bulb sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the
> bulb will be in "backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping
> >>> up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0
> with
> >>> no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash
> >>> ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach
> >>> signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the
> EDS
> >>> is causing the problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the
> >>> ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got
> >>> suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
> >>>
> >>> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED
> >>> solution to better the OE type light bubs?
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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Shoulders are different than necks AFAIK.

I had a similar issue with my left shoulder that my PA said was an inflammation 
of the “capsule” around the joint. After an injection and round of oral 
steroids it was a lot better, and in less than maybe six months or so I’ve 
regained mobility that I had lost.

-D

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Already did that, did not help. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume they 
>> would have referred you if it could.
>> 
>> I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last two 
>> years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as good 
>> as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it seemed 
>> to get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise.
>> 
>> 
 On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called.  Been going on for years 
>>> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck.  Can not turn it 
>>> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very 
>>> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on 
>>> lift.  Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt 
>>> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing.  If I sit 
>>> and can lean back I can.  Also, when leaned over a car working on 
>>> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to 
>>> stand back upright.
>>> 
>>> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays.  I have arthritis and I 
>>> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected 
>>> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd.  Have some narrowing 
>>> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched 
>>> nerves.  This was discovered after I had a MRI.  I was then referred to 
>>> spinal expert.  At first glance he says it appears I am going to need 
>>> surgery.  I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed 
>>> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be 
>>> part of this.  Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on 
>>> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become 
>>> worse.  In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore 
>>> hurting neck.
>>> 
>>> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a 
>>> chiropractor could help with?  Never been to one or know much about it.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2001 C230 - 91k miles - $5,500

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Isn't that a lot of $$s for a humble 20 year old C class with frosted
headlamps?

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:05 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> "Driven by 87 year old marine pilot"
>
> Presumably an estate sale, or the gentleman can no longer drive.
>
>
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2001-mercedes-c230/7430803045.html
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s one of my complaints when it comes to the “LED conversions” for older 
vehicles. I pay close attention to the color temperature of the LEDs, as higher 
= whiter/bluer.

-D

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 8:45 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> True, though when I got my Element I think every bulb but maybe one was 
> burned out. The LEDs were OK, my main issues were that even though I ordered 
> "white" LEDS, the light had a bluish cast which I didn't care for. Also the 
> light did not seem to spread very well, so the instruments were unevenly 
> illuminated with brighter and dimmer areas.
> 
> The lighting was definitely usable and adequate, but I wasn't 100% satisfied.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>> 
>> How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with. The 
>> dash lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on the 
>> LEDs made a good improvement.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed. But 
>> maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but the 
>> bulb sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the bulb 
>> will be in "backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping 
>>> up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with 
>>> no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash 
>>> ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach 
>>> signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS 
>>> is causing the problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the 
>>> ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got 
>>> suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
>>> 
>>> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED 
>>> solution to better the OE type light bubs?
>>> 
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[MBZ] 2001 C230 - 91k miles - $5,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"Driven by 87 year old marine pilot"

Presumably an estate sale, or the gentleman can no longer drive.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2001-mercedes-c230/7430803045.html

Looks like a nice car if you don't care about the color.

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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Already did that, did not help. 

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume they 
> would have referred you if it could.
> 
> I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last two 
> years through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as good 
> as the right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it seemed to 
> get worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called.  Been going on for years 
>> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck.  Can not turn it 
>> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very 
>> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on 
>> lift.  Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt 
>> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing.  If I sit 
>> and can lean back I can.  Also, when leaned over a car working on 
>> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to 
>> stand back upright.
>> 
>> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays.  I have arthritis and I 
>> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected 
>> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd.  Have some narrowing 
>> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched 
>> nerves.  This was discovered after I had a MRI.  I was then referred to 
>> spinal expert.  At first glance he says it appears I am going to need 
>> surgery.  I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed 
>> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be 
>> part of this.  Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on 
>> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become 
>> worse.  In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore 
>> hurting neck.
>> 
>> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a 
>> chiropractor could help with?  Never been to one or know much about it.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Got plates on the E500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe to you but not to the masses.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 10:29 AM Buggered Benzmail <
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> It actually doesn’t look too bad all cleaned up but it’s still quite
> boring
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Fancy color - you're a PLAYER.
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:05 AM Floyd Thursby 
> wrote:
>
>> 693U TRAVERTINE BEIGE - METALLIC PAINT
>>
>>
>> 835A AMARETTA/LEATHER/NAPPA/SEMI-ANILINE - BEIGE
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/9/22 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> Smoke silver?  Mocha?  Silver beige?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 6:55 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Good to know, might need to hit you up for advice when I get ready to do
>>> it.
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>> On 1/9/22 5:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>>> > My brother has it's twin.  Just did the front end last year -- struts
>>> and control arms.
>>> >
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>> > On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> And a wash and wax on a 70F January day. Looks quite spiffy for
>>> boring beige.  It’s a quite nice car.  Needs new front tires and ball
>>> joints and control arms though. More to come!
>>> >>
>>> >> 
>>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] First 7500 takes her home - $7, 500 (Raleigh) 08 MERCDES BENZ ML320 diesel, 3.0 motor, 150k on the motor,

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So why not cdi?  Very confusing.  I need a drink.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 10:30 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Bluetec started in 2009.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > In that case where is the bluetec badge?
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 10:12 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> BZZZT. Wrong!
> >>
> >> There were diesel W164s, which is what this is.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ML 320 is gas SUV.  Unless this is an ML350?
> >>>
>  On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:52 AM mitch--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>  wrote:
> 
>  150k on the motor implies that the odometer says something else.
> 
> > On 2022-01-10 09:10, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > Realtor spec, needs a grille
> >
> >
> 
> >>
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-first-7500-takes-her-home/7430926162.html
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

True, though when I got my Element I think every bulb but maybe one was burned 
out. The LEDs were OK, my main issues were that even though I ordered "white" 
LEDS, the light had a bluish cast which I didn't care for. Also the light did 
not seem to spread very well, so the instruments were unevenly illuminated with 
brighter and dimmer areas.

The lighting was definitely usable and adequate, but I wasn't 100% satisfied.


On Mon, Jan 10, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
> How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with. The 
> dash lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on the 
> LEDs made a good improvement.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
> I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed. But 
> maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but the 
> bulb sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the bulb will 
> be in "backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping 
> > up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with 
> > no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash 
> > ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach 
> > signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS 
> > is causing the problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the 
> > ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got 
> > suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
> >
> > Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED 
> > solution to better the OE type light bubs?
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 How good you think LEDs are probably depends on what you started with. The 
dash lighting in a 123 stinks to begin with so the improved lighting on the 
LEDs made a good improvement.
-Curt

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 10:33:02 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed. But 
maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but the bulb 
sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the bulb will be in 
"backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping 
> up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with 
> no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash 
> ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach 
> signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS 
> is causing the problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the 
> ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got 
> suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
>
> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED 
> solution to better the OE type light bubs?
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I tried LED dash bulbs in one of my Honda cars, and was not impressed. But 
maybe it was the bulbs. Also they are diodes, so polarity matters, but the bulb 
sockets are not polarized. So you have a 50:50 chance that the bulb will be in 
"backwards" and you'll have to turn it 180 degrees.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping 
> up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with 
> no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash 
> ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach 
> signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS 
> is causing the problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the 
> ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got 
> suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?
>
> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED 
> solution to better the OE type light bubs?
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Re: [MBZ] Went to the neck doctor

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Might also ask if physical therapy could help, though I would assume they would 
have referred you if it could.

I have a sore left shoulder that has *slowly* improved over the last two years 
through range of motion and strength exercises. It still isn't as good as the 
right side, but it is better than it was, though at times it seemed to get 
worse for a while depending on the intensity of the exercise.


On Sun, Jan 9, 2022, at 10:38 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> AKA spinal surgeon or whatever they are called.  Been going on for years 
> but I have very limited range of motion on my neck.  Can not turn it 
> very far from side to side, and the big struggle is can't lift head very 
> far such as trying to look at something directly overhead like a car on 
> lift.  Also if drinking a can of soda or something like that, can't tilt 
> head back far enough to get the last bit out while standing.  If I sit 
> and can lean back I can.  Also, when leaned over a car working on 
> something for a little bit of time, takes me a few minute so be able to 
> stand back upright.
>
> Started off with ortho doctor who did xrays.  I have arthritis and I 
> guess bone spurs, some of which have grown to the point of connected 
> vertebrae in 2 spots and trying to do it in a 3rd.  Have some narrowing 
> in the spinal canal in some spots which could be leading to some pinched 
> nerves.  This was discovered after I had a MRI.  I was then referred to 
> spinal expert.  At first glance he says it appears I am going to need 
> surgery.  I am not really having any other symptoms I have noticed 
> except for some possible weakness in a couple of fingers that might be 
> part of this.  Given I have this blood clotting deal and have to be on 
> warfarin, there is really nothing he wants to do unless symptoms become 
> worse.  In other words, I guess I just have to live with stiff sore 
> hurting neck.
>
> This then got me to thinking, I wonder if this is something a 
> chiropractor could help with?  Never been to one or know much about it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Got plates on the E500

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

It actually doesn’t look too bad all cleaned up but it’s still quite boring 

--FT
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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:02 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Fancy color - you're a PLAYER.
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:05 AM Floyd Thursby  
>> wrote:
>> 693U TRAVERTINE BEIGE - METALLIC PAINT
>> 
>> 
>> 835A AMARETTA/LEATHER/NAPPA/SEMI-ANILINE - BEIGE
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/9/22 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> Smoke silver?  Mocha?  Silver beige?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 6:55 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
 Good to know, might need to hit you up for advice when I get ready to do 
 it.
 
 --FT
 
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 > My brother has it's twin.  Just did the front end last year -- struts 
 > and control arms.
 >
 > Peter
 >
 > On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
 >
 >> And a wash and wax on a 70F January day. Looks quite spiffy for boring 
 >> beige.  It’s a quite nice car.  Needs new front tires and ball joints 
 >> and control arms though. More to come!
 >>
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Re: [MBZ] First 7500 takes her home - $7, 500 (Raleigh) 08 MERCDES BENZ ML320 diesel, 3.0 motor, 150k on the motor,

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Bluetec started in 2009.

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> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> In that case where is the bluetec badge?
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 10:12 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> BZZZT. Wrong!
>> 
>> There were diesel W164s, which is what this is.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ML 320 is gas SUV.  Unless this is an ML350?
>>> 
 On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:52 AM mitch--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
 150k on the motor implies that the odometer says something else.
 
> On 2022-01-10 09:10, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Realtor spec, needs a grille
> 
> 
 
>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-first-7500-takes-her-home/7430926162.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] First 7500 takes her home - $7, 500 (Raleigh) 08 MERCDES BENZ ML320 diesel, 3.0 motor, 150k on the motor,

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No it is diesel. Gas version is 350. 

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> ML 320 is gas SUV.  Unless this is an ML350?
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:52 AM mitch--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 150k on the motor implies that the odometer says something else.
>> 
>>> On 2022-01-10 09:10, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Realtor spec, needs a grille
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-first-7500-takes-her-home/7430926162.html
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Re: [MBZ] First 7500 takes her home - $7, 500 (Raleigh) 08 MERCDES BENZ ML320 diesel, 3.0 motor, 150k on the motor,

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In that case where is the bluetec badge?

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 10:12 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> BZZZT. Wrong!
>
> There were diesel W164s, which is what this is.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ML 320 is gas SUV.  Unless this is an ML350?
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:52 AM mitch--- via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> 150k on the motor implies that the odometer says something else.
> >>
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> >>> Realtor spec, needs a grille
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] First 7500 takes her home - $7, 500 (Raleigh) 08 MERCDES BENZ ML320 diesel, 3.0 motor, 150k on the motor,

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

BZZZT. Wrong!

There were diesel W164s, which is what this is.

-D

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> ML 320 is gas SUV.  Unless this is an ML350?
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:52 AM mitch--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 150k on the motor implies that the odometer says something else.
>> 
>>> On 2022-01-10 09:10, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Realtor spec, needs a grille
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Got plates on the E500

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Fancy color - you're a PLAYER.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:05 AM Floyd Thursby 
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>
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> On 1/9/22 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Smoke silver?  Mocha?  Silver beige?
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 6:55 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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>
>> Good to know, might need to hit you up for advice when I get ready to do
>> it.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 1/9/22 5:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>> > My brother has it's twin.  Just did the front end last year -- struts
>> and control arms.
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >
>> > On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> >
>> >> And a wash and wax on a 70F January day. Looks quite spiffy for boring
>> beige.  It’s a quite nice car.  Needs new front tires and ball joints and
>> control arms though. More to come!
>> >>
>> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] First 7500 takes her home - $7, 500 (Raleigh) 08 MERCDES BENZ ML320 diesel, 3.0 motor, 150k on the motor,

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ML 320 is gas SUV.  Unless this is an ML350?

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 9:52 AM mitch--- via Mercedes 
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> 150k on the motor implies that the odometer says something else.
>
> On 2022-01-10 09:10, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > Realtor spec, needs a grille
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] First 7500 takes her home - $7, 500 (Raleigh) 08 MERCDES BENZ ML320 diesel, 3.0 motor, 150k on the motor,

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

150k on the motor implies that the odometer says something else.

On 2022-01-10 09:10, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Realtor spec, needs a grille

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-first-7500-takes-her-home/7430926162.html


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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

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On 2022-01-10 09:22, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

They can, Mitch has reported some pretty good numbers with his gasser
Cruze.


I was trying pretty hard on that 630 mile tank. But that mainly involved 
trying not to drive through town, which was typically 25mpg.
Wanted to show the folks at Cruzetalk what was possible, and I had about 
50psi in the tires.


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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

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 They can, Mitch has reported some pretty good numbers with his gasser Cruze. 
The thing is that as efficiency rises people say "Oh good, now I can have a big 
SUV that gets "good" mileage." and squander all the efficiency on upsizing. You 
see this in houses too, as building practices get more efficient people just 
build bigger houses. The result is the same amount of energy used but more 
space consumed...
-Curt

On Monday, January 10, 2022, 08:53:40 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Its amazing cars are not getting 60-70mpg by now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mine is a 2015 with the common rail 2.0. Angie's Golf is a 2005 with the 1.9L 
> "Pump Deuce" engine. Her car regularly gets in the high 40s but rarely breaks 
> 50.
> 
> My old '98 Jetta with the old 1.9L engine was generally over 50mpg but that 
> was a light little rattle trap of a car. I loved it...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:25:55 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> 
> What year is that TDI?
> 
> On 1/9/2022 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > My '85 190D 2.2l 5spd did in the low 40's pretty consistently, I think 
> > the top was around 45mpg.
> > Much more drivable than a 240D but nothing compared to a TDI. My Jetta 
> > is 240D size or maybe a little bigger and rarely gets under 48mpg.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:18:08 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
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> >
> > Just got to thinking, with the rising fuel prices, I am probably going
> > to have to break out the 190D 2.2 5 speed. But perhaps a CDI gets about
> > the same mileage?
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[MBZ] First 7500 takes her home - $7, 500 (Raleigh) 08 MERCDES BENZ ML320 diesel, 3.0 motor, 150k on the motor,

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Realtor spec, needs a grille

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/raleigh-first-7500-takes-her-home/7430926162.html

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Re: [MBZ] Got plates on the E500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

693U TRAVERTINE BEIGE - METALLIC PAINT


835A AMARETTA/LEATHER/NAPPA/SEMI-ANILINE - BEIGE



On 1/9/22 10:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Smoke silver?  Mocha?  Silver beige?

On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 6:55 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Good to know, might need to hit you up for advice when I get ready
to do it.

--FT

On 1/9/22 5:45 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
> My brother has it's twin.  Just did the front end last year --
struts and control arms.
>
> Peter
>
> On Jan 9, 2022, at 4:31 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> And a wash and wax on a 70F January day. Looks quite spiffy for
boring beige.  It’s a quite nice car.  Needs new front tires and
ball joints and control arms though. More to come!
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

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Its amazing cars are not getting 60-70mpg by now. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mine is a 2015 with the common rail 2.0. Angie's Golf is a 2005 with the 1.9L 
> "Pump Deuce" engine. Her car regularly gets in the high 40s but rarely breaks 
> 50.
> 
> My old '98 Jetta with the old 1.9L engine was generally over 50mpg but that 
> was a light little rattle trap of a car. I loved it...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:25:55 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What year is that TDI?
> 
> On 1/9/2022 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > My '85 190D 2.2l 5spd did in the low 40's pretty consistently, I think 
> > the top was around 45mpg.
> > Much more drivable than a 240D but nothing compared to a TDI. My Jetta 
> > is 240D size or maybe a little bigger and rarely gets under 48mpg.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:18:08 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just got to thinking, with the rising fuel prices, I am probably going
> > to have to break out the 190D 2.2 5 speed. But perhaps a CDI gets about
> > the same mileage?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I don't know about 124 cars but I put LEDs into my 240Ds and the upgrade was 
fantastic. The annoying thing was that the bulbs I got were polarized so they 
had to go in the right way but neither the bulbs nor the fixture were marked so 
I had to put them in, reinstall the dash pod and see if it worked, then pull it 
back out and correct them.
I *think* I got the ones I used on eBay but I'm not sure, it's been a long 
time, I'm sure there are better options now.
-Curt

On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 10:40:46 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping 
up to about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with 
no pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash 
ground, with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach 
signal goes through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS 
is causing the problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the 
ground, but this seems to be something different.  Anyone got 
suggestions what to look for or how to cure this?

Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED 
solution to better the OE type light bubs?

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Re: [MBZ] Rising fuel prices

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Mine is a 2015 with the common rail 2.0. Angie's Golf is a 2005 with the 1.9L 
"Pump Deuce" engine. Her car regularly gets in the high 40s but rarely breaks 
50.
My old '98 Jetta with the old 1.9L engine was generally over 50mpg but that was 
a light little rattle trap of a car. I loved it...
-Curt

On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:25:55 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 What year is that TDI?

On 1/9/2022 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> My '85 190D 2.2l 5spd did in the low 40's pretty consistently, I think 
> the top was around 45mpg.
> Much more drivable than a 240D but nothing compared to a TDI. My Jetta 
> is 240D size or maybe a little bigger and rarely gets under 48mpg.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, January 9, 2022, 09:18:08 PM EST, Kaleb Striplin via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>
> Just got to thinking, with the rising fuel prices, I am probably going
> to have to break out the 190D 2.2 5 speed. But perhaps a CDI gets about
> the same mileage?
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D tach & cluster lights

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Check the connector on the back of the engine for the crank position sensor 
(which can also be bad).

Idle will be erratic if that sensor or the connector is bad.

Peter
On Jan 4, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> The tach is squirrelly in the 87 300D.  It has been constantly jumping up to 
> about true rpm then down somewhere below that, sometimes to 0 with no 
> pattern.  I tried a couple years ago to remove and tighten the dash ground, 
> with no difference.  I know the EDS is bad.   I know the tach signal goes 
> through the EDS, then to the tach, so it is possible the EDS is causing the 
> problem.   On the 123/OM617, the fault is usually the ground, but this seems 
> to be something different.  Anyone got suggestions what to look for or how to 
> cure this?
> 
> Also most of the dash light bubs are burned out.  Is there a LED solution to 
> better the OE type light bubs?
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