[MBZ] Happy Patriots Day everybody

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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices spiking

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On 2022-04-19 19:16, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:

Looks like Lansing is about 30 cents cheaper than around here.  I am
located on the west side about 5 miles from Lake Michigan.


Believe it or not, Charlotte got to 3.69 before Lansing did. It was 3.69 
here when Costo was 3.75, which is not sustainable in the long term, but 
we'd been under Costco/Sams/BJs for about a month straight.


But yesterday morning, some stations in Charlotte went to 3.89, and it 
looks like today they went to 3.99, while others are still stuck at 
3.69. I can see that last week's spike in crude oil might have made 
wholesale prices start climbing, but with crude bombing from 108 to 102 
today, and all those stations in West Lansing at 3.69, I'm thinking 3.69 
might stick for a while.


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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices spiking

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Looks like Lansing is about 30 cents cheaper than around here.  I am located on 
the west side about 5 miles from Lake Michigan.  

Michael E. Esh


> On Apr 19, 2022, at 2:56 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-04-19 14:00, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:
>> Whitehall, Michigan. $3.98 for no lead and $4.99 for diesel.
> 
> https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=48917=1
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Re: [MBZ] OT tractor and equipment $1200

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Hmm. If it's still available this weekend I might have to figure out a trailer 
and take a trip to Tennessee.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, at 3:56 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Allan,
>
> Looks like parts and support is right in your back yard!
>
> https://www.powerkingtractor.com/parts/
>
> -D
>
>> On Apr 19, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is pretty far away but seems like it might be a decent deal?
>> 
>> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/grd/d/clarksville-economy-tractor/7472972274.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT tractor and equipment $1200

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Allan,

Looks like parts and support is right in your back yard!

https://www.powerkingtractor.com/parts/

-D

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 2:52 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> This is pretty far away but seems like it might be a decent deal?
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/grd/d/clarksville-economy-tractor/7472972274.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT tractor and equipment $1200

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Looks like a miniature Ford 8N sort of. Very utilitarian. The offset steering 
is sort of weird.

Curt, is there anything available for these as far as parts? The Kohler engine 
won’t be a problem, but I wonder about the rest?

-D

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 3:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Economy (and Power King, same thing, a little bigger) tractors are rad. 
> Bigger than a normal lawn tractor they're much more capable.
> 
> That seems like a pretty good set although I don't see a plow there. 
> Plow/harrow combo is a lot more work to break ground than a rototiller. 
> Faster for a large area, not that great for a normal garden...
> 
> That seems like a pretty fair price.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 02:54:21 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is pretty far away but seems like it might be a decent deal?
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/grd/d/clarksville-economy-tractor/7472972274.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT tractor and equipment $1200

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Economy (and Power King, same thing, a little bigger) tractors are rad. Bigger 
than a normal lawn tractor they're much more capable.

That seems like a pretty good set although I don't see a plow there. 
Plow/harrow combo is a lot more work to break ground than a rototiller. Faster 
for a large area, not that great for a normal garden...

That seems like a pretty fair price.

-Curt






On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 02:54:21 PM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





This is pretty far away but seems like it might be a decent deal?

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/grd/d/clarksville-economy-tractor/7472972274.html

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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

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The Sonos speakers or sound systems got bricked because the manufacturer 
decided to stop supporting it. Rather than just letting things die a slow 
death, they tell users to put the speakers in “recycle mode” which disabled 
things when the EoL came. I’ll have to look it up and see, I just know that I 
made a mental note to never buy their product.

The other side of this is when you’ve got something that has functionality 
that’s cloud-based and the manufacturer decides to abandon it. I had a Nest 
thermostat that was essentially useless when Google bought Nest, as they 
decided to stop supporting the first couple generations of Nest thermostats. 
Sure, it still works as a thermostat, but the ability to access it remotely is 
gone, which is one of the features I bought it for.

Never again.

-D

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here's another example of what can happen when devices depend on "the cloud" 
> to operate...
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/04/shameful-insteon-looks-dead-just-like-its-users-smart-homes/
> 
> ... oopps, the mother ship shut down, and now all the satellite devices are 
> as good as bricked.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s like a SaaS model for cars 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:33 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
 I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things 
 after the fact.
>>> 
>>> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan.
>>> 
>>> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only for 
>>> software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on 
>>> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year.
>>> 
>>> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car.
>>> 
>>> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy."
>>> Klaus Schwab
>>> 
>>> 
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Here's another example of what can happen when devices depend on "the cloud" to 
operate...

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/04/shameful-insteon-looks-dead-just-like-its-users-smart-homes/

... oopps, the mother ship shut down, and now all the satellite devices are as 
good as bricked.




On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 6:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> It’s like a SaaS model for cars 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:33 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things 
>>> after the fact.
>> 
>> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan.
>> 
>> Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only for 
>> software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on 
>> automobiles. Want heated seats? That will be $59.95 for the year.
>> 
>> https://www.consumerreports.org/automotive-industry/why-you-might-need-to-subscribe-to-get-certain-features-on-your-next-car-a6575794430/#:~:text=At%20least%20five%20automakers%E2%80%94%20Audi%2C%20BMW%2C%20Cadillac%2C%20Porsche%2C,those%20features%20are%20already%20built%20into%20the%20car.
>> 
>> "You will own nothing, and you will be happy."
>> Klaus Schwab
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices spiking

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On 2022-04-19 14:00, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:

Whitehall, Michigan. $3.98 for no lead and $4.99 for diesel.


https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=48917=1

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[MBZ] OT tractor and equipment $1200

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

This is pretty far away but seems like it might be a decent deal?

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/grd/d/clarksville-economy-tractor/7472972274.html

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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices spiking

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Whitehall, Michigan. $3.98 for no lead and $4.99 for diesel.   




> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:22 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Filled up at Costco today premium $4.40. Down 30cents since last fillup 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2022, at 11:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I see on the news oil prices are spiking which is causing gas prices to 
>> spike. I guess oil dropped but I sure as hell never saw gas prices drop. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice looking W126 420SEL - 90k miles - $12,000

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96k miles suggests she spent a lot of time going to from church 

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> On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> "For real it was owned by a "little old lady" who only drove it to 
> church - you know the rest of the story."
> 
> Paul Harvey's car?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Does This Guy Know His Crack or does he Know the Market?

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I love the text of the ad: "the dashboard has no cracks"

and then right above it I'm looking at a picture of the dash, with a giant
crack emanating from the passenger side speaker grille!


On Tue, 19 Apr 2022, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> Priced to sell so I will not budge even one dime. Even if it never sells.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 11:39 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > 1984 MERCEDES 300D SHOWROOM CONDITION (craigslist.org)
> > <
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/studio-city-1984-mercedes-300d-showroom/7473039618.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > AZBob
> >
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[MBZ] Nice looking W126 420SEL - 90k miles - $12,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

"For real it was owned by a "little old lady" who only drove it to church - 
you know the rest of the story."

Paul Harvey's car?

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/columbus-1986-mercedes-sel-8-42liter/7473039229.html
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting car -- 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300SE 5-Speed Manual

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Says it's a Euro version. Instrumentation is also metric.

Manuals are much more popular in Europe, guessing there are a lot of manual 
options that were never offerd in North America.


On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, at 10:21 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2022-04-19 09:56, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> https://thembmarket.com/1992-mercedes-benz-300se-5-speed-manual
>
> Dogleg?
> Did they use the gearbox from the 190E 2.5-16 Evolution?
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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

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My guess is, once the manufacturing has ended, much of this information gets 
"misplaced."



On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, at 12:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> At some point (20yr? Less) manufacturers should be required to publish 
> code, schematics, wiring/connector diagrams, etc for the aftermarket to 
> step in and provide replacement parts. Some of it can be reverse 
> engineered it seems but it’s not always compatible. I’m thinking “OEM” 
> ECUs and that kind of stuff. 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Apr 19, 2022, at 11:52 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, back to Mercedes talk, for a moment.
>> It has become virtually routine that someone posts a car that is offered
>> for sale that has issues which have turned it into a mechanical brick,
>> caused by "something electrical" in the "electrical to mechanical controls
>> systems" [now a myriad of systems, often hidden deep within various
>> "computers" which cause the car to operate to an owners satisfaction [and
>> emissions dictates imposed by controlling government agencies].
>> 
>> Via this discussion thread, it seems well established that computer
>> electrical components have a service life which is followed by "failure to
>> function as designed", however, it seems car manufacturers have failed to
>> identify and inform buyers [or after owners] what that service life is.
>> 
>> Mechanical case in point: With each vehicle regardless of the manufacturer,
>> there are published maintenance intervals.. ie.. oil change, brake flush,
>> transmission oil change, coolant change, filter change.. etc etc etc...
>> Yet, there are NO maintenance intervals established, or published, for
>> electrical components.
>> Should that be addressed? If so, exactly how?
>> Presently, NLA is the most common response when searching for a replacement
>> electrical component that has failed and bricked an otherwise useful car.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 8:33 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think most SSD manufacturers try to disguise the wear out
>>> characteristics of their drives.
>>> 
>>> I talk about SSD life in class and many of my students are shocked to hear
>>> it...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:20:39 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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>>> 
 You get what you pay for here too, like most things.
>>> 
>>> If only.  The wear-out characteristics of most flash devices is NOT
>>> something
>>> they advertise, and on lower-cost stuff it isn't even known.  (To you.)
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

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On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> You get what you pay for here too, like most things.
>
> If only.  The wear-out characteristics of most flash devices is NOT something
> they advertise, and on lower-cost stuff it isn't even known.  (To you.)

Yeah in the consumer market probably not. For servers you can get "data center" 
grade SSDs that claim to be more durable. They are expensive. Maybe the flash 
isn't more durable, there is just more of it to allow for longer service life?

You can also get them optimized for reading or for writing, whatever you might 
want to put in your RFP the vendors will have an option so they can say "YES."


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Re: [MBZ] Does This Guy Know His Crack or does he Know the Market?

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I was put off by the seller's attitude, then I realized he is in "Beverly
Hills", thus being self absorbed and rude is socially accepted...
Not to worry, I won't be calling him and he doesn't "know my number".

On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:34 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Priced to sell so I will not budge even one dime. Even if it never sells.
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, 11:39 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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>
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> > <
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Does This Guy Know His Crack or does he Know the Market?

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Priced to sell so I will not budge even one dime. Even if it never sells.

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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

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IMHO the designs should be required to be escrowed, and the escrow
is released as soon as the manufacturer can/will no longer supply replacements.

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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

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To that exact point.
In the aircraft industry, service life is determined on two things [or
more]. 1. Number of hours of operation. 2. Number of cycles of operation.
[startup / shutdown].
This standard works for both mechanical and electrical components.
Car manufacturers are certainly advanced enough to install such counters in
each component, are they not?
Thus, instead of a simple "check engine light", which means nothing to the
car owner, why not a message screen that says "Your transmission control
module has 3 hours or 92 shift cycles remaining before replacement is
required."


On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> At some point (20yr? Less) manufacturers should be required to publish
> code, schematics, wiring/connector diagrams, etc for the aftermarket to
> step in and provide replacement parts. Some of it can be reverse engineered
> it seems but it’s not always compatible. I’m thinking “OEM” ECUs and that
> kind of stuff.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Apr 19, 2022, at 11:52 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, back to Mercedes talk, for a moment.
> > It has become virtually routine that someone posts a car that is offered
> > for sale that has issues which have turned it into a mechanical brick,
> > caused by "something electrical" in the "electrical to mechanical
> controls
> > systems" [now a myriad of systems, often hidden deep within various
> > "computers" which cause the car to operate to an owners satisfaction [and
> > emissions dictates imposed by controlling government agencies].
> >
> > Via this discussion thread, it seems well established that computer
> > electrical components have a service life which is followed by "failure
> to
> > function as designed", however, it seems car manufacturers have failed to
> > identify and inform buyers [or after owners] what that service life is.
> >
> > Mechanical case in point: With each vehicle regardless of the
> manufacturer,
> > there are published maintenance intervals.. ie.. oil change, brake flush,
> > transmission oil change, coolant change, filter change.. etc etc etc...
> > Yet, there are NO maintenance intervals established, or published, for
> > electrical components.
> > Should that be addressed? If so, exactly how?
> > Presently, NLA is the most common response when searching for a
> replacement
> > electrical component that has failed and bricked an otherwise useful car.
> >
> >> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 8:33 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think most SSD manufacturers try to disguise the wear out
> >> characteristics of their drives.
> >>
> >> I talk about SSD life in class and many of my students are shocked to
> hear
> >> it...
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:20:39 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You get what you pay for here too, like most things.
> >>
> >> If only.  The wear-out characteristics of most flash devices is NOT
> >> something
> >> they advertise, and on lower-cost stuff it isn't even known.  (To you.)
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

At some point (20yr? Less) manufacturers should be required to publish code, 
schematics, wiring/connector diagrams, etc for the aftermarket to step in and 
provide replacement parts. Some of it can be reverse engineered it seems but 
it’s not always compatible. I’m thinking “OEM” ECUs and that kind of stuff. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Apr 19, 2022, at 11:52 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok, back to Mercedes talk, for a moment.
> It has become virtually routine that someone posts a car that is offered
> for sale that has issues which have turned it into a mechanical brick,
> caused by "something electrical" in the "electrical to mechanical controls
> systems" [now a myriad of systems, often hidden deep within various
> "computers" which cause the car to operate to an owners satisfaction [and
> emissions dictates imposed by controlling government agencies].
> 
> Via this discussion thread, it seems well established that computer
> electrical components have a service life which is followed by "failure to
> function as designed", however, it seems car manufacturers have failed to
> identify and inform buyers [or after owners] what that service life is.
> 
> Mechanical case in point: With each vehicle regardless of the manufacturer,
> there are published maintenance intervals.. ie.. oil change, brake flush,
> transmission oil change, coolant change, filter change.. etc etc etc...
> Yet, there are NO maintenance intervals established, or published, for
> electrical components.
> Should that be addressed? If so, exactly how?
> Presently, NLA is the most common response when searching for a replacement
> electrical component that has failed and bricked an otherwise useful car.
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 8:33 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think most SSD manufacturers try to disguise the wear out
>> characteristics of their drives.
>> 
>> I talk about SSD life in class and many of my students are shocked to hear
>> it...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:20:39 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> You get what you pay for here too, like most things.
>> 
>> If only.  The wear-out characteristics of most flash devices is NOT
>> something
>> they advertise, and on lower-cost stuff it isn't even known.  (To you.)
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Ok, back to Mercedes talk, for a moment.
It has become virtually routine that someone posts a car that is offered
for sale that has issues which have turned it into a mechanical brick,
caused by "something electrical" in the "electrical to mechanical controls
systems" [now a myriad of systems, often hidden deep within various
"computers" which cause the car to operate to an owners satisfaction [and
emissions dictates imposed by controlling government agencies].

Via this discussion thread, it seems well established that computer
electrical components have a service life which is followed by "failure to
function as designed", however, it seems car manufacturers have failed to
identify and inform buyers [or after owners] what that service life is.

Mechanical case in point: With each vehicle regardless of the manufacturer,
there are published maintenance intervals.. ie.. oil change, brake flush,
transmission oil change, coolant change, filter change.. etc etc etc...
Yet, there are NO maintenance intervals established, or published, for
electrical components.
Should that be addressed? If so, exactly how?
Presently, NLA is the most common response when searching for a replacement
electrical component that has failed and bricked an otherwise useful car.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think most SSD manufacturers try to disguise the wear out
> characteristics of their drives.
>
> I talk about SSD life in class and many of my students are shocked to hear
> it...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:20:39 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > You get what you pay for here too, like most things.
>
> If only.  The wear-out characteristics of most flash devices is NOT
> something
> they advertise, and on lower-cost stuff it isn't even known.  (To you.)
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

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When I wrote that white paper, for work, I was surprised at just how
many failure mechanisms were in play.  This, on top of any other
common electronic failure mechanisms.  (Die contamination,
metal fatigue, electrophoretic migration, tin whiskers, oxidation, etc.)

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Does This Guy Know His Crack or does he Know the Market?

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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

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I think most SSD manufacturers try to disguise the wear out characteristics of 
their drives.

I talk about SSD life in class and many of my students are shocked to hear it...

-Curt


On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:20:39 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote: 

> You get what you pay for here too, like most things.

If only.  The wear-out characteristics of most flash devices is NOT something
they advertise, and on lower-cost stuff it isn't even known.  (To you.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Please do not come in my inbox and lowball me 2002 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 55 Sedan 4D, $6, 000

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Worked hard and put away wet.  I do covet the tool kit, however.

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> This vehicle was $130,000 back in the day! Can you believe that?
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1040835493182493
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Re: [MBZ] Interesting car -- 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300SE 5-Speed Manual

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On 2022-04-19 09:56, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

https://thembmarket.com/1992-mercedes-benz-300se-5-speed-manual


Dogleg?
Did they use the gearbox from the 190E 2.5-16 Evolution?

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Re: [MBZ] Truth On Repairability

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> IIRC they were doing a lot of writing of data to solid-state storage and 
> wearing it out.

Yep, we had some customers that turned on the debug logging features, to '11', 
and
left them on.  Took out the onboard flash in about a year.  Not too cool, 
losing six-figure
network backbone systems to that.  The stupid logs slowed it way down, too.  
Nobody
ever figured someone would do that.  But the 'hard disk' mentality takes time 
to go away.

> Yes, like a spinning hard drive, solid-state drives can wear out. They will 
> take a limited number of writes before they start throwing errors.

Hard disks basically don't wear out, they fail suddenly.  But until they do, 
they perform
as if new.  Not, not, NOT true of flash-based devices:

http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html 


> You get what you pay for here too, like most things.

If only.  The wear-out characteristics of most flash devices is NOT something
they advertise, and on lower-cost stuff it isn't even known.  (To you.)

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] OT There are no wings or cowling. 1958 Cessna 175 skylark parts plane., $4, 500

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Starter plane for beginners.

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> Flew when parked
>
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Re: [MBZ] KALEB ALERT!!!! selling 2 e500s as a package deal 2003 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 Sedan 4D, $2, 999

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Has the rare parchment seat covering.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:55 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I don't think MB will "fix" it if it ain't broken, there has to be some
> fault or failure.  And if it is the counter, they will just reset it and
> say yer good ta go.  Mine had a bad accumulator, which is a $75 part and
> easy to replace (with the fancy computer to force it to depressurize), I
> don't know if they did anything else while in there.
>
> --FT
>
> On 4/19/22 9:40 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > On 2022-04-19 09:25, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> One has brake problems - SBC under warranty?  Could be a good deal
> >> for both
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/705937944162768
> >
> > It kind of surprised me when The Wizard was fixing up a car for his
> > wife, and they got rid of a dash warning light by resetting the SBC
> > counter to zero. He said MBZ conservatively set the life at 200k brake
> > cycles when it had a useful life of 300-500k.
> > And it's not like your brakes totally die when it fails, so we'll just
> > wait to fix it until it fails. I'd have taken it in under warranty, or
> > maybe planned on doing it just before warranty expires. Maybe Wizard
> > was waiting for the warranty to get closer to running out, but didn't
> > want to say it out loud...
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Re: [MBZ] Gas prices spiking

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I reported $4.29 for diesel but that was during the MD tax holiday.  Now
the price is $4.89.

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>
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[MBZ] Interesting car -- 1992 Mercedes-Benz 300SE 5-Speed Manual

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https://thembmarket.com/1992-mercedes-benz-300se-5-speed-manual

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Re: [MBZ] KALEB ALERT!!!! selling 2 e500s as a package deal 2003 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 Sedan 4D, $2, 999

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't think MB will "fix" it if it ain't broken, there has to be some 
fault or failure.  And if it is the counter, they will just reset it and 
say yer good ta go.  Mine had a bad accumulator, which is a $75 part and 
easy to replace (with the fancy computer to force it to depressurize), I 
don't know if they did anything else while in there.


--FT

On 4/19/22 9:40 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

On 2022-04-19 09:25, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
One has brake problems - SBC under warranty?  Could be a good deal 
for both


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/705937944162768


It kind of surprised me when The Wizard was fixing up a car for his 
wife, and they got rid of a dash warning light by resetting the SBC 
counter to zero. He said MBZ conservatively set the life at 200k brake 
cycles when it had a useful life of 300-500k.
And it's not like your brakes totally die when it fails, so we'll just 
wait to fix it until it fails. I'd have taken it in under warranty, or 
maybe planned on doing it just before warranty expires. Maybe Wizard 
was waiting for the warranty to get closer to running out, but didn't 
want to say it out loud...


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[MBZ] OT There are no wings or cowling. 1958 Cessna 175 skylark parts plane., $4, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Flew when parked

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/695688241478511

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Re: [MBZ] KALEB ALERT!!!! selling 2 e500s as a package deal 2003 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 Sedan 4D, $2, 999

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-04-19 09:25, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
One has brake problems - SBC under warranty?  Could be a good deal for 
both


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/705937944162768


It kind of surprised me when The Wizard was fixing up a car for his 
wife, and they got rid of a dash warning light by resetting the SBC 
counter to zero. He said MBZ conservatively set the life at 200k brake 
cycles when it had a useful life of 300-500k.
And it's not like your brakes totally die when it fails, so we'll just 
wait to fix it until it fails. I'd have taken it in under warranty, or 
maybe planned on doing it just before warranty expires. Maybe Wizard was 
waiting for the warranty to get closer to running out, but didn't want 
to say it out loud...


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[MBZ] Please do not come in my inbox and lowball me 2002 Mercedes-Benz s-class S 55 Sedan 4D, $6, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This vehicle was $130,000 back in the day! Can you believe that?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1040835493182493

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[MBZ] Another munched 350 -- 2006 Mercedes-Benz e350 engine problem Mechanic special, $1, 800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

engine problem no title (lost title)only bill of sale engine no runs

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1045402906055336

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[MBZ] Ran when parked. 1991 Mercedes-Benz 500sl,$1,600

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So why was it parked?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/299895635610772

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[MBZ] KALEB ALERT!!!! selling 2 e500s as a package deal 2003 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 500 Sedan 4D, $2, 999

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

One has brake problems - SBC under warranty?  Could be a good deal for both

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/705937944162768

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[MBZ] AMG wheels worth some $$ 1997 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 420 Sedan 4D, $1, 400

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This car will run and drive been an accident has salvage title will need 
to be towed due to no exhaust very loud 


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/799836064244361

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[MBZ] Yes it has rust. Yes it will take some money and know-how to fix correctly. 1981 Mercedes-Benz g-class, $9, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I am moving across the country and this is a project I do not want to 
part ways with but it is not in the cards to bring it with me. My loss 
is your gain.


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/555726959182709

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Re: [MBZ] Oh boy

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

“Doubled the horsepower”?

Proof, please.

-D

> On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The last Learjet has been delivered

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Right up there with Ima Hogg, a wealthy Houston oil heiress matron

—FT

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> On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:08 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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> Bill Lear had an odd sensayuma.  He named his daughter Shanda, frixample...
> -MMM-
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>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:40 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> Another iconic brand is now officially history
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>> https://www.flyingmag.com/the-learjet-era-ends-with-a-final-delivery/
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