[MBZ] 2000 E320 - 177k miles - $1,800

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Beater car but interior looks passable.

https://southbend.craigslist.org/cto/d/elkhart-2000-mercedes-benz-e320/7528841521.html
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: EMP PROOF

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks like the kid brother of a 300TD.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 7:15 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On 2022-09-01 18:56, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:
> > Once had one of these.
> >
>
> >
> https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/brentwood-emp-proof/7520249154.html
>
> I seem to remember Curt and Angie going to Iowa for one and deciding not
> to bring it home.
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Re: [MBZ] 2010 E350 - 101k miles - $13,500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's priced like an AWD Bluetec.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 2:06 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Photos are I guess intended to look dramatic, but are all so dark you
> can't really see any detail.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: EMP PROOF

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On 2022-09-01 18:56, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:

Once had one of these.




https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/brentwood-emp-proof/7520249154.html


I seem to remember Curt and Angie going to Iowa for one and deciding not 
to bring it home.


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[MBZ] Fwd: EMP PROOF

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Once had one of these.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Frederick Moir 
Date: Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 5:24 PM
Subject: EMP PROOF
To: Frederick Moir 


https://longisland.craigslist.org/cto/d/brentwood-emp-proof/7520249154.html

Sent from Mail  for Windows




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Lynn MA
Diesel preferred
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No, and they send me a 10% off shipping code all the time which helps a little 
bit. 

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> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> Shipping is probably not bad for you either, since they are in Laredo Texas.
> 
> 
> Rick
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> 
> Almost all of my orders lately have been going to them
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cheapest price I could find.
>> 
>> https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Shipping is probably not bad for you either, since they are in Laredo Texas.


Rick

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Almost all of my orders lately have been going to them

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> On Sep 1, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> Cheapest price I could find.
>
> https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They ship

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> On Sep 1, 2022, at 3:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But you have to go there to buy it. My stealer would charge $1000
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cheapest price I could find.
>> 
>> https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Almost all of my orders lately have been going to them 

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> On Sep 1, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> Cheapest price I could find.
> 
> https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That would be fine if the CP is completely fried. Sometimes if it just 
the speed sensors you can send it out for repair and that is like 
$200-250 with no cloning, or attempt it yourself.


Would be interesting to find out what they would charge to clone the new 
one to match the car, if they would want the car to be there to do it 
(can use the Xentry to do it but apparently you need to be online with a 
subscription to get the codes, maybe can copy and paste) or if they can 
do it on the bench either with the old one to clone or to write new code 
into the new one.  If you could send the old one to them as proof of 
ownership I'm not sure why they wouldn't sell you a new one and clone it 
or flash it straightaway if you had the title and ID etc.


I looked into getting a new one from a shop in CA, they wanted my old 
one and various bits of info and they would get a new one from MB 
(apparently) and do the programming then send it to me.  I ended up 
pulling one from a junker and sending both to a kid in CA who cloned the 
"new" one for me.


--FT

On 9/1/22 4:22 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

And since it’s a reman item, they wan the core back, too.

-D


On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:

But you have to go there to buy it. My stealer would charge $1000

--FT
Sent from iFōn


On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

Cheapest price I could find.

https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. I didn't see that at first.

Rick

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But you have to go there to buy it. My stealer would charge $1000

--FT
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> Cheapest price I could find.
>
> https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And since it’s a reman item, they wan the core back, too.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But you have to go there to buy it. My stealer would charge $1000
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Cheapest price I could find.
>> 
>> https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

But you have to go there to buy it. My stealer would charge $1000

--FT
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> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Cheapest price I could find.
> 
> https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Cheapest price I could find.

https://www.mbpartsource.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-automatic-transmission-valve-body-000270260080


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Realize that the information you see in the RevParts web sites is taken 
directly form the EPC as I understand it. As many terms, especially technical 
ones, don’t translate well, you often get some weird terms that don’t make 
sense or seem relevant to the part described.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 12:04 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No idea. Sometimes the descriptions and part numbers don’t match up. The 
> description below says
> 
> Genuine:
> 
> SKU:
> 000-270-26-00-80
> Positions:
> Upper
> Other Names:
> Remanufactured Rs Ctrr Unit Electrohyd, Exchange Rs Ctrr Unit Electrohyd
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> FCP has lifetime warranty.
>> 
>> But why do they call it a "conductor plate" and the covington site says it's 
>> a "valve body" and does not fit the car selected?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 13:31, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Same part number. Says it’s remanufactured which would be fine if it 
>>> has a warranty. Probably one that had bad speed sensors or something 
>>> and it was repaired. You can buy those off eBay for $250 but maybe not 
>>> warranty that would be as good?
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Yes the FCP part says it needs programming. But it's also 3x the price of 
 the part MB Covington listed. Are they really the same thing?
 
 https://www.mbofcovington.com/parts/order-parts.htm?path=%2Fsearch%3Fsearch_str%3D000270260080
 
 
 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:48, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> The part is sourced from MB. Only way to get a new one. But it is 
> “virgin “ and has no programming. You have to get MB or some third 
> party to clone it. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will 
>> talk to you about parts and applications over the phone.
>> 
>> Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant 
>> part. I’ll have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP 
>> buys this if that’s truly the case?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
>>> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my 
>>> car and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in 
>>> there, but I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or 
>>> "conductor" or by the menu navigation.
>>> 
>>> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
>>> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.
>>> 
>>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
>>> 
>>> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number 
>>> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called 
>>> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 
>>> Mercedes Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft 
>>> relevant part and is not available for purchase online. Please contact 
>>> your local dealer for more information." List price is $369 for this 
>>> "remanufactured" part.
>>> 
>>> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way 
>>> better. I'm not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 I totally understand this.
 
 However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
 dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
 discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
 speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
 from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
 
 For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
 ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
 MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
 
 Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
 dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
 
 Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
 MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their 
 cost. 
 As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
 often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

No idea. Sometimes the descriptions and part numbers don’t match up. The 
description below says

Genuine:

SKU:
000-270-26-00-80
Positions:
Upper
Other Names:
Remanufactured Rs Ctrr Unit Electrohyd, Exchange Rs Ctrr Unit Electrohyd

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> FCP has lifetime warranty.
> 
> But why do they call it a "conductor plate" and the covington site says it's 
> a "valve body" and does not fit the car selected?
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 13:31, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> Same part number. Says it’s remanufactured which would be fine if it 
>> has a warranty. Probably one that had bad speed sensors or something 
>> and it was repaired. You can buy those off eBay for $250 but maybe not 
>> warranty that would be as good?
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes the FCP part says it needs programming. But it's also 3x the price of 
>>> the part MB Covington listed. Are they really the same thing?
>>> 
>>> https://www.mbofcovington.com/parts/order-parts.htm?path=%2Fsearch%3Fsearch_str%3D000270260080
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:48, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
 The part is sourced from MB. Only way to get a new one. But it is 
 “virgin “ and has no programming. You have to get MB or some third 
 party to clone it. 
 
 --FT
 Sent from iFōn
 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will 
> talk to you about parts and applications over the phone.
> 
> Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant part. 
> I’ll have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP buys 
> this if that’s truly the case?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
>> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my 
>> car and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in 
>> there, but I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or 
>> "conductor" or by the menu navigation.
>> 
>> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
>> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.
>> 
>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
>> 
>> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number 
>> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called 
>> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 
>> Mercedes Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft 
>> relevant part and is not available for purchase online. Please contact 
>> your local dealer for more information." List price is $369 for this 
>> "remanufactured" part.
>> 
>> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way 
>> better. I'm not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I totally understand this.
>>> 
>>> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
>>> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
>>> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
>>> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
>>> from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
>>> 
>>> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
>>> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
>>> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
>>> 
>>> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
>>> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
>>> 
>>> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
>>> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. 
>>> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
>>> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of 
>>> Covington who marks up from cost.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and 
 talk to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere 
 I go on a regular basis otherwise.
 
 I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a 
 dealer 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

FCP has lifetime warranty.

But why do they call it a "conductor plate" and the covington site says it's a 
"valve body" and does not fit the car selected?


On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 13:31, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Same part number. Says it’s remanufactured which would be fine if it 
> has a warranty. Probably one that had bad speed sensors or something 
> and it was repaired. You can buy those off eBay for $250 but maybe not 
> warranty that would be as good?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes the FCP part says it needs programming. But it's also 3x the price of 
>> the part MB Covington listed. Are they really the same thing?
>> 
>> https://www.mbofcovington.com/parts/order-parts.htm?path=%2Fsearch%3Fsearch_str%3D000270260080
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:48, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The part is sourced from MB. Only way to get a new one. But it is 
>>> “virgin “ and has no programming. You have to get MB or some third 
>>> party to clone it. 
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iFōn
>>> 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will 
 talk to you about parts and applications over the phone.
 
 Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant part. 
 I’ll have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP buys 
 this if that’s truly the case?
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my 
> car and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in 
> there, but I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or 
> "conductor" or by the menu navigation.
> 
> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.
> 
> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
> 
> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number 
> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called 
> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes 
> Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft relevant part and 
> is not available for purchase online. Please contact your local dealer 
> for more information." List price is $369 for this "remanufactured" part.
> 
> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. 
> I'm not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I totally understand this.
>> 
>> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
>> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
>> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
>> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
>> from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
>> 
>> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
>> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
>> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
>> 
>> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
>> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
>> 
>> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
>> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. 
>> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
>> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of 
>> Covington who marks up from cost.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and 
>>> talk to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I 
>>> go on a regular basis otherwise.
>>> 
>>> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
>>> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the 
>>> OEM equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and 
>>> service is great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they 
>>> actually honor that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If 
>>> FCPEuro didn't have a part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer 
>>> websites.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Same part number. Says it’s remanufactured which would be fine if it has a 
warranty. Probably one that had bad speed sensors or something and it was 
repaired. You can buy those off eBay for $250 but maybe not warranty that would 
be as good?

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes the FCP part says it needs programming. But it's also 3x the price of 
> the part MB Covington listed. Are they really the same thing?
> 
> https://www.mbofcovington.com/parts/order-parts.htm?path=%2Fsearch%3Fsearch_str%3D000270260080
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:48, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> The part is sourced from MB. Only way to get a new one. But it is 
>> “virgin “ and has no programming. You have to get MB or some third 
>> party to clone it. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will 
>>> talk to you about parts and applications over the phone.
>>> 
>>> Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant part. 
>>> I’ll have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP buys this 
>>> if that’s truly the case?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
 mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my 
 car and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in 
 there, but I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or 
 "conductor" or by the menu navigation.
 
 On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
 "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.
 
 https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
 
 Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number 
 (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called 
 "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes 
 Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft relevant part and 
 is not available for purchase online. Please contact your local dealer for 
 more information." List price is $369 for this "remanufactured" part.
 
 So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. 
 I'm not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.
 
 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I totally understand this.
> 
> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
> from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
> 
> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
> 
> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
> 
> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. 
> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of 
> Covington who marks up from cost.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and 
>> talk to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I 
>> go on a regular basis otherwise.
>> 
>> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
>> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the 
>> OEM equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service 
>> is great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually 
>> honor that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't 
>> have a part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer websites.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington 
>>> uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due 
>>> to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks 
>>> ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Robert Massmann via Mercedes]

When I was buy parts for my oil cooler repair and OE trailer hitch most of the 
time shipping was a flat $35. No matter if it was a single part or multiple 
parts. I also was a bit disappointed that not more parts for a certain area 
were limited and had to go somewhere else to find the seal number I needed. 
There are many dealerships that have web part purchase venues and purchase 
price does vary between dealerships. Some of my part purchases came from a 
Mercedes dealer in Akron, Ohio, they actually called for clarification on a 
superseded part.

Bob Massmann
2012 ML-350 BT
2002 BMW 525i
Oregonia, Ohio

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes  On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via 
Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2022 12:01 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip off. 
The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
> 
> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer in 
> most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which certainly has 
> value.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
>> some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers are 
>> properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Jag

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It's too bumpy, and the curves are too understated. Only the XKE, XK120,
140, etc. are good looking Jags.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 1:08 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jag styling is great IMO, but that car would look way better in proper
> British green and with a tan leather interior.
>
>
> https://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/d/dorr-2001-jaguar-xk8/7528443584.html
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Re: [MBZ] prime

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Depends on the seller - who it is ultimately coming from. I have noticed
that the stated delivery date during checkout is pretty accurate.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 10:08 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It used to be if you had a Prime membership you could count on getting
> your items within 2 days, free.  Sometimes items would arrive the next
> day.  Heck, I have even had times where I ordered in the morning and it
> arrived say day.  Lately it seems worse and worse.  Now you are lucky to
> get items within a week.  For example, I wanted to order some stuff that
> I figured would arrive this weekend.  Nope, even prime items not
> arriving till next Tuesday. WTF?
>
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[MBZ] OT Jag

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Jag styling is great IMO, but that car would look way better in proper British 
green and with a tan leather interior.

https://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/d/dorr-2001-jaguar-xk8/7528443584.html

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[MBZ] 2010 E350 - 101k miles - $13,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Photos are I guess intended to look dramatic, but are all so dark you can't 
really see any detail.

https://holland.craigslist.org/cto/d/holland-2010-mercedes-benz-e350/7528587857.html

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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Yes the FCP part says it needs programming. But it's also 3x the price of the 
part MB Covington listed. Are they really the same thing?

https://www.mbofcovington.com/parts/order-parts.htm?path=%2Fsearch%3Fsearch_str%3D000270260080



On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 12:48, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> The part is sourced from MB. Only way to get a new one. But it is 
> “virgin “ and has no programming. You have to get MB or some third 
> party to clone it. 
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will talk 
>> to you about parts and applications over the phone.
>> 
>> Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant part. 
>> I’ll have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP buys this 
>> if that’s truly the case?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
>>> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my car 
>>> and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in there, 
>>> but I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or "conductor" 
>>> or by the menu navigation.
>>> 
>>> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
>>> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.
>>> 
>>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
>>> 
>>> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number 
>>> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called 
>>> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes 
>>> Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft relevant part and 
>>> is not available for purchase online. Please contact your local dealer for 
>>> more information." List price is $369 for this "remanufactured" part.
>>> 
>>> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. 
>>> I'm not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 I totally understand this.
 
 However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
 dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
 discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
 speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
 from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
 
 For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
 ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
 MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
 
 Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
 dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
 
 Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
 MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. 
 As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
 often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of 
 Covington who marks up from cost.
 
 -D
 
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and talk 
> to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I go on 
> a regular basis otherwise.
> 
> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the 
> OEM equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service 
> is great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually 
> honor that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't 
> have a part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer websites.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington 
>> uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due 
>> to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks 
>> ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the 
>> future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
>> 
>> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make 
>> the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because 
>> they get the business and I get the best price.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would probably buy a lot 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The part is sourced from MB. Only way to get a new one. But it is “virgin “ and 
has no programming. You have to get MB or some third party to clone it. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:21 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will talk 
> to you about parts and applications over the phone.
> 
> Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant part. 
> I’ll have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP buys this 
> if that’s truly the case?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
>> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my car 
>> and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in there, 
>> but I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or "conductor" or 
>> by the menu navigation.
>> 
>> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
>> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.
>> 
>> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
>> 
>> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number 
>> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called 
>> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes 
>> Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft relevant part and is 
>> not available for purchase online. Please contact your local dealer for more 
>> information." List price is $369 for this "remanufactured" part.
>> 
>> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. 
>> I'm not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I totally understand this.
>>> 
>>> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
>>> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
>>> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
>>> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
>>> from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
>>> 
>>> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
>>> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
>>> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
>>> 
>>> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
>>> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
>>> 
>>> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
>>> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. 
>>> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
>>> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of 
>>> Covington who marks up from cost.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and talk 
 to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I go on a 
 regular basis otherwise.
 
 I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
 relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the 
 OEM equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service 
 is great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually 
 honor that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't 
 have a part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer websites.
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington 
> uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due 
> to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks 
> ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the 
> future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
> 
> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make 
> the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because 
> they get the business and I get the best price.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip 
>> off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
>>> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
>>> 
>>> I mean, 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That is a good deal, then you’d have to get it programmed. They might be able 
to do it if you send them the old part they can clone or they might want it in 
the car. Call them and ask. The FCPEuro part will also need to be programmed  

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my car 
> and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in there, but 
> I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or "conductor" or by 
> the menu navigation.
> 
> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.
> 
> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
> 
> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number 
> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called 
> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes 
> Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft relevant part and is 
> not available for purchase online. Please contact your local dealer for more 
> information." List price is $369 for this "remanufactured" part.
> 
> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. I'm 
> not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I totally understand this.
>> 
>> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
>> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
>> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
>> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
>> from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
>> 
>> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
>> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
>> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
>> 
>> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
>> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
>> 
>> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
>> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. 
>> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
>> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of 
>> Covington who marks up from cost.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and talk 
>>> to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I go on a 
>>> regular basis otherwise.
>>> 
>>> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
>>> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the OEM 
>>> equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service is 
>>> great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually honor 
>>> that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't have a 
>>> part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer websites.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington 
 uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due 
 to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks 
 ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the 
 future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
 
 Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make 
 the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because 
 they get the business and I get the best price.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip 
> off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
>> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
>> 
>> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer 
>> in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which 
>> certainly has value.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible 
>>> although some cars that come they might fit 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Good point. However, MB of Covington does have a phone number and will talk to 
you about parts and applications over the phone.

Interesting that they consider the conductor plate a theft relevant part. I’ll 
have to ask my dealer guys/gals about this. I wonder how FCP buys this if 
that’s truly the case?

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
> mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my car 
> and tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in there, but 
> I could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or "conductor" or by 
> the menu navigation.
> 
> On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
> "conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.
> 
> https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600
> 
> Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number 
> (000270260080) that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called 
> "Automatic Transmission Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes 
> Benz E350" and is also "This item is considered a theft relevant part and is 
> not available for purchase online. Please contact your local dealer for more 
> information." List price is $369 for this "remanufactured" part.
> 
> So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. I'm 
> not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I totally understand this.
>> 
>> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
>> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
>> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
>> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
>> from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
>> 
>> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
>> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
>> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
>> 
>> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
>> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
>> 
>> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
>> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. 
>> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
>> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of 
>> Covington who marks up from cost.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and talk 
>>> to people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I go on a 
>>> regular basis otherwise.
>>> 
>>> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
>>> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the OEM 
>>> equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service is 
>>> great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually honor 
>>> that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't have a 
>>> part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer websites.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington 
 uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due 
 to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks 
 ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the 
 future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
 
 Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make 
 the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because 
 they get the business and I get the best price.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip 
> off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
>> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
>> 
>> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer 
>> in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which 
>> certainly has value.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

So this is an interesting example. Just as a random trial I went to 
mbofcovington.comn parts page and selected 2008 E350 "Base" model as my car and 
tried to find a transmission conductor plate. I'm sure it's in there, but I 
could not find it by searching for "conductor plate" or "conductor" or by the 
menu navigation.

On FCPEuro I found it easily by selecting that vehicle and searhing for 
"conductor plate" and it lists it as "Genuine Mercedes" for $949.

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-transmission-conductor-plate-genuine-mercedes-0002702600

Then I went back to MB Covington and searched for the SKU number (000270260080) 
that FCP Euro gave me. It came up with an entry called "Automatic Transmission 
Valve Body" that "Does not fit your 2008 Mercedes Benz E350" and is also "This 
item is considered a theft relevant part and is not available for purchase 
online. Please contact your local dealer for more information." List price is 
$369 for this "remanufactured" part.

So, as a non-professional customer, the FCPEuro experience is way better. I'm 
not even sure I'm finding the right part on MB Covington.


On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:40, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I totally understand this.
>
> However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts 
> dealers (dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good 
> discount models making OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively 
> speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, not OEM parts that you can buy 
> from a third party seller like FCPEuro.
>
> For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my 
> ML550. List was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, 
> MB of Covington wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.
>
> Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my 
> dealer about $200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.
>
> Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from 
> MSRP, or list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. 
> As cost varies wildly depending on the part and other factors you can 
> often get a much better deal working with an online dealer like MB of 
> Covington who marks up from cost.
>
> -D
>
>
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and talk to 
>> people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I go on a 
>> regular basis otherwise.
>> 
>> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
>> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the OEM 
>> equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service is 
>> great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually honor 
>> that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't have a 
>> part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer websites.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington 
>>> uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due 
>>> to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks 
>>> ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the 
>>> future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
>>> 
>>> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make 
>>> the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because 
>>> they get the business and I get the best price.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip 
 off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
> 
> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer 
> in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which 
> certainly has value.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible 
>> although some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my 
>> drivers are properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of 
>>> suppliers
>>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
>>> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again:

Walk in the door, explain that you spend x number of dollars on parts in a 
year, and you would like to spend it with them. Let them make you the offer.

I did that in 1996 at MB of Tampa and they took me up on it and gave me a 
commercial discount. I don’t have an account, I can’t charge anything there, 
I’m just in their system with that discount assigned to my name/phone number. 
It’s been a great relationship and a good deal for both of us. Some years they 
do well, others are slower. But in the grand scheme of things we’ve both 
benefitted from it, and it takes a sharp business to realize that value.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:44 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maybe I need to approach my dealer about some sort of price deal if I steer a 
> lot of my parts business to them.  I have dealt with them for many years. 
> Last time I was in there I had not been in for years but the old timers 
> remembered me. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 11:12 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington uses 
>> usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due to sales 
>> taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks ago and they 
>> said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the future I’ll price 
>> check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
>> 
>> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make the 
>> deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because they get the 
>> business and I get the best price.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip 
>>> off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
 dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
 
 I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer 
 in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which 
 certainly has value.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
> some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers 
> are properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of 
>> suppliers
>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
>> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
>> They're a business, not a parts charity.
>> 
>> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
>> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new 
>> or
>> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, 
>> raw
>> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine 
>> and
>> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
>> 
>> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
>> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
>> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is 
>> gone...
>> 
>> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
>> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
>> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
>> supplier).
>> 
>> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips 
>> don't
>> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
>> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
>> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
>> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
>> the target market for these solutions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum 
>>> pods
>>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers 
>>> or
>>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are 
>>> NLA.
>>> Perhaps they want to support very 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe I need to approach my dealer about some sort of price deal if I steer a 
lot of my parts business to them.  I have dealt with them for many years. Last 
time I was in there I had not been in for years but the old timers remembered 
me. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 11:12 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington uses 
> usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due to sales 
> taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks ago and they said 
> they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the future I’ll price check 
> using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
> 
> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make the 
> deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because they get the 
> business and I get the best price.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip off. 
>> The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
>>> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
>>> 
>>> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer in 
>>> most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which certainly 
>>> has value.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
 some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers are 
 properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of 
> suppliers
> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
> They're a business, not a parts charity.
> 
> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new 
> or
> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine 
> and
> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
> 
> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
> 
> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
> supplier).
> 
> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum 
>> pods
>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are 
>> NLA.
>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very true.
>>> 
>>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
>> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
>> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
>> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear 
>> swing
>> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
>>> 
>>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
>> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but 
>> not
>> NLA. Turns out, they had 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And sadly, that is often the case. That or they create some sort of discount 
construct where MBCA members get a 10% discount on parts, but what they don’t 
tell you is that they mark up retail sales 15%. So you’re still paying 5% over 
list.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:27 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I asked my local stealer why their price on a trim piece was over 2X what a 
> couple of the online stealers would charge (shipping of course added quite a 
> bit) and the parts guy told me that was their price, they wouldn’t discount. 
> So  them. I guess the stealer owner (who owns several different  
> stealerships around here) needs a bigger yacht. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington uses 
>> usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due to sales 
>> taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks ago and they 
>> said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the future I’ll price 
>> check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
>> 
>> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make the 
>> deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because they get the 
>> business and I get the best price.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip 
>>> off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
 dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
 
 I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer 
 in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which 
 certainly has value.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
> some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers 
> are properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of 
>> suppliers
>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
>> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
>> They're a business, not a parts charity.
>> 
>> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
>> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new 
>> or
>> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, 
>> raw
>> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine 
>> and
>> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
>> 
>> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
>> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
>> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is 
>> gone...
>> 
>> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
>> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
>> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
>> supplier).
>> 
>> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips 
>> don't
>> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
>> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
>> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
>> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
>> the target market for these solutions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum 
>>> pods
>>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers 
>>> or
>>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are 
>>> NLA.
>>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
>>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Very true.
 
 When I was 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I totally understand this.

However, if you’re buying online, there are any number of RevParts dealers 
(dealers who sell parts online) that sell with very good discount models making 
OE parts pretty darned cheap, relatively speaking. And I’m addressing OE parts, 
not OEM parts that you can buy from a third party seller like FCPEuro.

For example, I bought the driver’s side exterior mirror guts for my ML550. List 
was around $500, my dealer’s price to me was around $375, MB of Covington 
wanted $250 + about $17 to ship. Easy decision.

Same with a right side exterior mirror cover. List about $300, my dealer about 
$200, MB of Covington was like $140 + $17 shipping.

Dealers use different discount structures. Some discount “down” from MSRP, or 
list price. Others, like Covington, mark “up" from their cost. As cost varies 
wildly depending on the part and other factors you can often get a much better 
deal working with an online dealer like MB of Covington who marks up from cost.

-D


> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and talk to 
> people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I go on a 
> regular basis otherwise.
> 
> I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
> relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the OEM 
> equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service is 
> great, they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually honor 
> that warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't have a 
> part, I guess I'd start looking at dealer websites.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington 
>> uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due 
>> to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks 
>> ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the 
>> future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
>> 
>> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make 
>> the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because 
>> they get the business and I get the best price.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip 
>>> off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
 dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
 
 I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer 
 in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which 
 certainly has value.
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
> some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers 
> are properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of 
>> suppliers
>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
>> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
>> They're a business, not a parts charity.
>> 
>> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
>> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new 
>> or
>> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, 
>> raw
>> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine 
>> and
>> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
>> 
>> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
>> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
>> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is 
>> gone...
>> 
>> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
>> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
>> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
>> supplier).
>> 
>> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips 
>> don't
>> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
>> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
>> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> Does talk like that catch you a facebook ban?

In certain groups, yes.


Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: September 1, 2022 10:43 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement



On 2022-09-01 11:35, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> If your goal is to keep your beater on the road as long as possible
>> and cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
>
> A tactfully put way of saying "if you are stupid enough to cut a hole
> in your hood to roll coal onto the windscreen, we don't want your
> business".
>
> The older I get, the less tact I have. Not sure if being blunt is a
> flaw or a feature.


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I asked my local stealer why their price on a trim piece was over 2X what a 
couple of the online stealers would charge (shipping of course added quite a 
bit) and the parts guy told me that was their price, they wouldn’t discount. So 
 them. I guess the stealer owner (who owns several different  stealerships 
around here) needs a bigger yacht. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 12:12 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington uses 
> usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due to sales 
> taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks ago and they said 
> they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the future I’ll price check 
> using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
> 
> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make the 
> deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because they get the 
> business and I get the best price.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip off. 
>> The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
>>> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
>>> 
>>> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer in 
>>> most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which certainly 
>>> has value.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
 some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers are 
 properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of 
> suppliers
> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
> They're a business, not a parts charity.
> 
> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new 
> or
> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine 
> and
> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
> 
> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
> 
> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
> supplier).
> 
> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum 
>> pods
>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are 
>> NLA.
>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very true.
>>> 
>>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
>> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
>> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
>> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear 
>> swing
>> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
>>> 
>>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
>> the car 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

All well and good if you have a dealership where you can walk in and talk to 
people. I am 75 miles from an MB dealer, and it's not anywere I go on a regular 
basis otherwise.

I used to buy parts from Rusty back in the day. I think he had a dealer 
relationship where he could get OE parts when WorldPac didn't carry the OEM 
equivalent? These days I use FCPEuro because the website and service is great, 
they warranty everything they sell for life, and they actually honor that 
warranty without me jumping through hoops. If FCPEuro didn't have a part, I 
guess I'd start looking at dealer websites.


On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, at 11:11, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington 
> uses usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due 
> to sales taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks 
> ago and they said they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the 
> future I’ll price check using Covington and then go to my local dealer.
>
> Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make 
> the deal to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because 
> they get the business and I get the best price.
>
> -D
>
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip off. 
>> The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
>>> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
>>> 
>>> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer in 
>>> most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which certainly 
>>> has value.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
 some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers are 
 properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of 
> suppliers
> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
> They're a business, not a parts charity.
> 
> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new 
> or
> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine 
> and
> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
> 
> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
> 
> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
> supplier).
> 
> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum 
>> pods
>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are 
>> NLA.
>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very true.
>>> 
>>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
>> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
>> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
>> parts, both seals and suspension. A 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Depending on what the part is, the discount model that MB of Covington uses 
usually makes it a wash or slightly less than my local dealer due to sales 
taxes. However, I discussed this with my dealer a few weeks ago and they said 
they would match Covington’s price for me, so in the future I’ll price check 
using Covington and then go to my local dealer.

Maybe it’s an anomaly, but my dealer empowers their employees to make the deal 
to get a sale. That’s really great for both of us, because they get the 
business and I get the best price.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip off. 
> The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
>> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
>> 
>> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer in 
>> most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which certainly has 
>> value.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
>>> some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers are 
>>> properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of suppliers
 no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
 replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
 They're a business, not a parts charity.
 
 Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
 It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new or
 old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
 materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine and
 push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
 
 Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
 buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
 source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
 
 Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
 cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
 engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
 supplier).
 
 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
 exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
 But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
 market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
 beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
 the target market for these solutions.
 
 
 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum 
> pods
> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are 
> NLA.
> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Very true.
>> 
>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear 
> swing
> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
>> 
>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but 
> not
> NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new
> order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car
> was built!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
>>> 
>>> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
> source
>>> like 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I have had good luck with Mercedes Benz of Northlake (NC).  Ask for
wholesale parts and they will give you a discount and ship promptly.
https://www.mbnorthlake.com/parts/index.htm

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 12:01 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip
> off. The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the
> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
> >
> > I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer
> in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which certainly
> has value.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible
> although some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my
> drivers are properly maintained with OE or OEM parts.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of
> suppliers
> >>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
> >>> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
> >>> They're a business, not a parts charity.
> >>>
> >>> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too
> expensive.
> >>> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car,
> new or
> >>> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control,
> raw
> >>> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a
> machine and
> >>> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
> >>>
> >>> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
> >>> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
> >>> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is
> gone...
> >>>
> >>> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
> >>> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
> >>> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
> >>> supplier).
> >>>
> >>> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips
> don't
> >>> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
> >>> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
> >>> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep
> your
> >>> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're
> not
> >>> the target market for these solutions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>  coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC
> vacuum pods
>  are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil
> coolers or
>  126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126
> are NLA.
>  Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but
> middle
>  aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Very true.
> >
> > When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
>  parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how
> relatively
>  inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
>  parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear
> swing
>  arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
> >
> > The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner
> of
>  the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock,
> but not
>  NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a
> new
>  order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after
> the car
>  was built!
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy
> it is.
> >>
> >> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
>  source
> >> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty
>  remarkable
> >> what they do have.
> >>
> >> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a
> 300SEL
> >> 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I would probably buy a lot more dealer parts if my dealer was not a rip off. 
The shipping from the online places usually ends up being too much. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the 
> dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.
> 
> I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer in 
> most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which certainly has 
> value.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
>> some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers are 
>> properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of suppliers
>>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
>>> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
>>> They're a business, not a parts charity.
>>> 
>>> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
>>> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new or
>>> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
>>> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine and
>>> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
>>> 
>>> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
>>> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
>>> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
>>> 
>>> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
>>> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
>>> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
>>> supplier).
>>> 
>>> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
>>> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
>>> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
>>> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
>>> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
>>> the target market for these solutions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
 coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum pods
 are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are NLA.
 Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
 aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Very true.
> 
> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
 parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
 inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
 parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear swing
 arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
> 
> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
 the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but not
 NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new
 order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car
 was built!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
>> 
>> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
 source
>> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty
 remarkable
>> what they do have.
>> 
>> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
>> 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
>> 
>> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
>> into it, its still pretty special.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
>>> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
>>> nuts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It’s a privilege that comes with age, Rick. Enjoy it. I do.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:35 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> If your goal is to keep your beater on the road as long as possible and 
>> cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
> 
> A tactfully put way of saying "if you are stupid enough to cut a hole in your 
> hood to roll coal onto the windscreen, we don't want your business".
> 
> The older I get, the less tact I have. Not sure if being blunt is a flaw or a 
> feature.
> 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Does talk like that catch you a facebook ban?


On 2022-09-01 11:35, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
If your goal is to keep your beater on the road as long as possible 
and cheap as possible, you're not

the target market for these solutions.

A tactfully put way of saying "if you are stupid enough to cut a hole
in your hood to roll coal onto the windscreen, we don't want your
business".

The older I get, the less tact I have. Not sure if being blunt is a
flaw or a feature.



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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-09-01 11:21, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the
dealer?” OEM won’t make a difference.

I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the
dealer in most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part,
which certainly has value.


If the nearest dealers weren't 40 and 45 miles away, I'd pay 
RockAuto+shipping+10% for starmarked parts.
But it's a chicken and egg thing. They might do that for me if I spent 
$1000-2000 a year, and I might spend $1000+ a year if they did that for 
me, but the pricing isn't going to happen before the spending happens, 
and the spending isn't going to happen before the pricing happens. Not 
that it matters, as I'm not investing two plus hours and 80 miles in a 
run to the Okemos dealership, but about once a year my mom had a medical 
related appointment reasonably close to that dealer.
That's how I got my steering reservoir seals last year, I driving my mom 
in the neighborhood. Parts guy knew exactly what I wanted, went back and 
grabbed the cardboard bin off the shelves, then put the part number from 
the bin in the computer to invoice me.


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Haha, I thought I was already being blunt!



On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 11:35 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > If your goal is to keep your beater on the road as long as possible and
> cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
>
> A tactfully put way of saying "if you are stupid enough to cut a hole in
> your hood to roll coal onto the windscreen, we don't want your business".
>
> The older I get, the less tact I have. Not sure if being blunt is a flaw
> or a feature.
>
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> If your goal is to keep your beater on the road as long as possible and cheap 
> as possible, you're not
the target market for these solutions.

A tactfully put way of saying "if you are stupid enough to cut a hole in your 
hood to roll coal onto the windscreen, we don't want your business".

The older I get, the less tact I have. Not sure if being blunt is a flaw or a 
feature.


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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I simply search on eBay using the part number. There's a lot of New Old
Stock material out there as well as aftermarket stuff.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, 10:35 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All good points, Jaime. Thanks!
>
> It also seems (to me) that there’s a range of vehicles that continues to
> move forward based on their age, and right now that range is the 80s and
> 90s models. They’re not quite in the “classic” realm, but still in the
> daily driver realm for some. I think that has some bearing on demand for
> parts and where the owners are sourcing things, too, which has a big effect
> on why Mercedes does or does not continue to produce parts for them.
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of
> suppliers
> > no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
> > replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
> > They're a business, not a parts charity.
> >
> > Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
> > It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new
> or
> > old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control,
> raw
> > materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine
> and
> > push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
> >
> > Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
> > buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
> > source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is
> gone...
> >
> > Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
> > cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
> > engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
> > supplier).
> >
> > 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips
> don't
> > exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
> > But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
> > market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
> > beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
> > the target market for these solutions.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
> >> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum
> pods
> >> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers
> or
> >> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are
> NLA.
> >> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
> >> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Very true.
> >>>
> >>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
> >> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
> >> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
> >> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear
> swing
> >> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
> >>>
> >>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
> >> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but
> not
> >> NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new
> >> order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the
> car
> >> was built!
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it
> is.
> 
>  You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
> >> source
>  like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty
> >> remarkable
>  what they do have.
> 
>  For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a
> 300SEL
>  3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
> 
>  Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much
> effort
>  into it, its still pretty special.
> 
>  Jaime
> 
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example
> the
> > window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which
> is
> > nuts.
> >
> >
> > Kaleb Striplin wrote:
> > But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
> > Correct? The number of common 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I think the point is, “How many of those parts are you buying from the dealer?” 
OEM won’t make a difference.

I mean, I even buy my soft parts such as filters and such for the dealer in 
most cases. They’re maybe 10% more, but it’s an OE part, which certainly has 
value.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although 
> some cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers are 
> properly maintained with OE or OEM parts. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of suppliers
>> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
>> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
>> They're a business, not a parts charity.
>> 
>> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
>> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new or
>> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
>> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine and
>> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
>> 
>> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
>> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
>> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
>> 
>> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
>> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
>> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
>> supplier).
>> 
>> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
>> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
>> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
>> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
>> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
>> the target market for these solutions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum pods
>>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
>>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are NLA.
>>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
>>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Very true.
 
 When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
>>> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
>>> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
>>> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear swing
>>> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
 
 The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
>>> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but not
>>> NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new
>>> order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car
>>> was built!
 
 -D
 
> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
> 
> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
>>> source
> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty
>>> remarkable
> what they do have.
> 
> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
> 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
> 
> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
> into it, its still pretty special.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
>> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
>> nuts.
>> 
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
>> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

My goal is not to keep a beater on the road as cheap as possible although some 
cars that come they might fit that description. All of my drivers are properly 
maintained with OE or OEM parts. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 9:15 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of suppliers
> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
> They're a business, not a parts charity.
> 
> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new or
> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine and
> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
> 
> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
> 
> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
> supplier).
> 
> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum pods
>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are NLA.
>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very true.
>>> 
>>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
>> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
>> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
>> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear swing
>> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
>>> 
>>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
>> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but not
>> NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new
>> order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car
>> was built!
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
 
 You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
>> source
 like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty
>> remarkable
 what they do have.
 
 For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
 
 Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
 into it, its still pretty special.
 
 Jaime
 
 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
> nuts.
> 
> 
> Kaleb Striplin wrote:
> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
> (much
>> larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago,
>> but
>> hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from
>> them,
>> still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does
>> much

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

well said Jaime.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022, 10:15 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of suppliers
> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
> They're a business, not a parts charity.
>
> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new or
> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine and
> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
>
> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
>
> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
> supplier).
>
> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
> > coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum
> pods
> > are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
> > 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are
> NLA.
> > Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
> > aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very true.
> > >
> > > When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
> > parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
> > inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
> > parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear
> swing
> > arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
> > >
> > > The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
> > the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but
> not
> > NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new
> > order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the
> car
> > was built!
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it
> is.
> > >>
> > >> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
> > source
> > >> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty
> > remarkable
> > >> what they do have.
> > >>
> > >> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a
> 300SEL
> > >> 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
> > >>
> > >> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much
> effort
> > >> into it, its still pretty special.
> > >>
> > >> Jaime
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example
> the
> > >>> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which
> is
> > >>> nuts.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Kaleb Striplin wrote:
> > >>> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
> > >>> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is
> alarming.
> > >>>
> >  On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a
> new
> > >>> (much
> >  larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago,
> > but
> >  hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from
> > them,
> >  still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
> > 
> >  Jaime
> > 
> > > On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does
> > much
> > > anymore anyway does it? They only have the same 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

All good points, Jaime. Thanks!

It also seems (to me) that there’s a range of vehicles that continues to move 
forward based on their age, and right now that range is the 80s and 90s models. 
They’re not quite in the “classic” realm, but still in the daily driver realm 
for some. I think that has some bearing on demand for parts and where the 
owners are sourcing things, too, which has a big effect on why Mercedes does or 
does not continue to produce parts for them.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of suppliers
> no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
> replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
> They're a business, not a parts charity.
> 
> Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
> It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new or
> old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
> materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine and
> push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.
> 
> Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
> buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
> source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...
> 
> Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
> cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
> engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
> supplier).
> 
> 90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
> exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
> But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
> market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
> beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
> the target market for these solutions.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
>> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum pods
>> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
>> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are NLA.
>> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
>> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very true.
>>> 
>>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
>> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
>> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
>> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear swing
>> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
>>> 
>>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
>> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but not
>> NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new
>> order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car
>> was built!
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
 
 You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
>> source
 like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty
>> remarkable
 what they do have.
 
 For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
 
 Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
 into it, its still pretty special.
 
 Jaime
 
 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
> nuts.
> 
> 
> Kaleb Striplin wrote:
> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
> (much
>> larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago,
>> but
>> hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from
>> them,
>> still excellent service and 

Re: [MBZ] 1990 300 SE - 87k miles - $10,800

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Interesting car. I’ve seen a couple around over the years

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks pretty nice, but not perfect. And it has cheap Chinese tires. Not sure 
> it's worth $10k without knowing more.
> 
> https://owensboro.craigslist.org/cto/d/owensboro-1990-mercedes-benz-300-se-low/7528554734.html
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[MBZ] 1990 300 SE - 87k miles - $10,800

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks pretty nice, but not perfect. And it has cheap Chinese tires. Not sure 
it's worth $10k without knowing more.

https://owensboro.craigslist.org/cto/d/owensboro-1990-mercedes-benz-300-se-low/7528554734.html
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Is not that they "don't care about" them, its simply a matter of suppliers
no longer willing to make the parts and not finding a cost effective
replacement.  If there is a demand, they will try to find a solution.
They're a business, not a parts charity.

Next complaint will be that reworked replacement parts are too expensive.
It takes significant resources to manufacture any parts for any car, new or
old.  Engineers, purchasing, business cases, testing, quality control, raw
materials sourcing, tooling, etc.  They don't just walk up to a machine and
push the "make me door seals for a 123" button.

Think about how you buy your parts...are you supporting the system by
buying from MB genuine?  Or are you looking for the cheapest possible
source regardless of quality?  Then complaining when MB support is gone...

Owners of the 60s cars are happy to pay for parts as the value of their
cars are increasing.  MB responds by making parts available.  (Like 4.5
engine mounts, NLA for a few years, now available again with a new
supplier).

90s car support brings up another issue:  electronics.  If the chips don't
exist to buy anymore, its simply impossible to make the parts.  Period.
But as the value and demand for these cars increases on the collector
market, you will see more solutions appear.  If your goal is to keep your
beater on the road as long as possible and cheap as possible, you're not
the target market for these solutions.



On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 10:03 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123
> coupes. A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum pods
> are NLA. As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or
> 126 SDL radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are NLA.
> Perhaps they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle
> aged 123-126 they don’t care about.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Very true.
> >
> > When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the
> parts I could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively
> inexpensive they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber
> parts, both seals and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear swing
> arms were less than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
> >
> > The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of
> the car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but not
> NLA. Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new
> order. So they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car
> was built!
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
> >>
> >> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a
> source
> >> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty
> remarkable
> >> what they do have.
> >>
> >> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
> >> 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
> >>
> >> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
> >> into it, its still pretty special.
> >>
> >> Jaime
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
> >>> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
> >>> nuts.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Kaleb Striplin wrote:
> >>> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
> >>> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.
> >>>
>  On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
> >>> (much
>  larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago,
> but
>  hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from
> them,
>  still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
> 
>  Jaime
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does
> much
> > anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any other
> dealer
> >>> has
> > as far as I know.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson
> has
> >> retired from the MB Classic Center.
> 

Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

2020.

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:03 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123 coupes. 
> A lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum pods are NLA. 
> As previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or 126 SDL 
> radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are NLA. Perhaps 
> they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle aged 123-126 
> they don’t care about. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Very true.
>> 
>> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the parts I 
>> could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively inexpensive 
>> they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber parts, both seals 
>> and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear swing arms were less 
>> than $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
>> 
>> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of the 
>> car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but not NLA. 
>> Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new order. So 
>> they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car was built!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
>>> 
>>> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a source
>>> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty remarkable
>>> what they do have.
>>> 
>>> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
>>> 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
>>> 
>>> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
>>> into it, its still pretty special.
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
 window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
 nuts.
 
 
 Kaleb Striplin wrote:
 But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
 Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.
 
> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
 (much
> larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago, but
> hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from them,
> still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
> 
> Jaime
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does much
>> anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any other dealer
 has
>> as far as I know.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson has
>>> retired from the MB Classic Center.
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

How long ago was that? Now days you can’t even get door seals for 123 coupes. A 
lot of 124 parts are now unavailable. Many of the ACC vacuum pods are NLA. As 
previously mentioned you can no longer get 123 oil coolers or 126 SDL 
radiators. Vin coded ignition tumblers for 123 124 and 126 are NLA. Perhaps 
they want to support very old cars or very new cars, but middle aged 123-126 
they don’t care about. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 7:57 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very true.
> 
> When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the parts I 
> could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively inexpensive 
> they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber parts, both seals 
> and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear swing arms were less than 
> $100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.
> 
> The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of the 
> car was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but not NLA. 
> Turns out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new order. So 
> they were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car was built!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
>> 
>> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a source
>> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty remarkable
>> what they do have.
>> 
>> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
>> 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
>> 
>> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
>> into it, its still pretty special.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
>>> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
>>> nuts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>>> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
>>> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.
>>> 
 On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
>>> (much
 larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago, but
 hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from them,
 still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
 
 Jaime
 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does much
> anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any other dealer
>>> has
> as far as I know.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson has
>> retired from the MB Classic Center.
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Very true.

When I was “restoring” the 65 220SEb I was constantly amazed at the parts I 
could still get from Mercedes, and in most cases, how relatively inexpensive 
they were. For instance, I could still get a lot of rubber parts, both seals 
and suspension. A full set of bushings for the rear swing arms were less than 
$100. New front/rear springs, $110/each.

The left front spring was really bad on that car, so bad that corner of the car 
was a good 2” low. Dealer checks on them and none in stock, but not NLA. Turns 
out, they had run out of inventory and were waiting on a new order. So they 
were still sourcing these things over 50 year after the car was built!

-D

> On Sep 1, 2022, at 4:27 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.
> 
> You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a source
> like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty remarkable
> what they do have.
> 
> For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
> 3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.
> 
> Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
> into it, its still pretty special.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
>> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
>> nuts.
>> 
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
>> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
>> (much
>>> larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago, but
>>> hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from them,
>>> still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
 On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does much
 anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any other dealer
>> has
 as far as I know.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson has
> retired from the MB Classic Center.
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Re: [MBZ] Classic Center retirement

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Try getting parts for 50s and 60s cars.  You'd be amazed how easy it is.

You have to be creative in this business to find parts, but having a source
like the classic center is pretty amazing overall.  It's pretty remarkable
what they do have.

For example, I just bought a vacuum pod for the distributor of a 300SEL
3.5.  Pretty obscure part, still available, under $100.

Is it perfect, no of course not, but be thankful they put so much effort
into it, its still pretty special.

Jaime


On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:31 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I agree re; NLA parts. And not just obscure stuff, but for example the
> window regulator kit (the little nylon disc and clip) is NLA. Which is
> nuts.
>
>
> Kaleb Striplin wrote:
> But they do not have anything that a normal dealer could not order?
> Correct? The number of common parts that are becoming NLA is alarming.
>
> > On Aug 31, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?The classic center is alive and well, and even just moved into a new
> (much
> > larger) facility inside the Long Beach VPC.  Tom retired months ago, but
> > hes still active online.  I get parts deliveries all the time from them,
> > still excellent service and loads of parts in stock.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 4:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have not heard that. I don?t think the classic center really does much
> >> anymore anyway does it? They only have the same parts any other dealer
> has
> >> as far as I know.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 31, 2022, at 3:14 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?I may be late to the party, but I recently learned that Tom Hanson has
> >>> retired from the MB Classic Center.
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