Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> I think the 2000+ 210s have the +/- sideways shifter not the 1234 shifter.

Ours do.

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Re: [MBZ] I really like this -- green/tan -- 1969 Mercedes-Benz 280 se, $19, 900

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One of the power windows and the corresponding door panel are buggered.

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 12:29 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> Looks like the one I had.
>
> I’d say not knowing the condition of the seats and the gawd awful speakers
> in the map pockets keep it way off 10.
>
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] OT Squatted shopping cart

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Is it a stick shift or automatic?

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Re: [MBZ] Kleb! Floyd! Starts and Moves!

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Extra 0 in price 
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> On Mar 31, 2024, at 1:16 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> [0_9YHUo58yH1H_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
> 1980 Mercedes-Benz 240D diesel for sale - Clearwater, FL - 
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[MBZ] Kleb! Floyd! Starts and Moves!

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[0_9YHUo58yH1H_0CI0t2_600x450.jpg]
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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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On 2024-03-31 11:57, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
The solenoid is on the right side near the bottom of the shifter 
assembly as I recall. I don’t recall being able to get to it from in 
the car, but maybe you can. I just checked mine out when I knew it 
wasn’t working to see what was involved and to confirm that it was, in 
fact, dead.


That spring that I circled in the pic earlier, I can push down on 
whatever it's pulling up against, but nothing changes. I'm thinking the 
problem is with the PLIL and nothing short of going under the car to 
unlock the transmission is going to get it rolling.


I've got the left side jacked up and dirt shoveled under the tires.
I'm about ready to do the same to the right side, blow up the tires 
(left rear has a bead leak, left front holds, haven't touched the right 
yet) and drag it out of there, probably with one tire spinning the wrong 
way while the other tires roll.


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Re: [MBZ] has the diesel engine located in Perry GA at the moment 1992 Mercedes Benz, $2, 000

[G Mann via Mercedes]

This is a new standard for "Needs some minor work" ..
Since the engine is in another city.
Special... really special... cognitive resonance scale required.

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> car needs sone minor mechanic work
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Re: [MBZ] I really like this -- green/tan -- 1969 Mercedes-Benz 280 se, $19, 900

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Looks like the one I had.

I’d say not knowing the condition of the seats and the gawd awful speakers in 
the map pockets keep it way off 10. 

AZBob


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[MBZ] I really like this -- green/tan -- 1969 Mercedes-Benz 280 se, $19, 900

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

On a scale of 1-10 of the 69 Mercedes available this is a 10. See for 
yourself to appreciate.


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[MBZ] has the diesel engine located in Perry GA at the moment 1992 Mercedes Benz, $2, 000

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car needs sone minor mechanic work

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1744675552688984/

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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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The solenoid is on the right side near the bottom of the shifter assembly as I 
recall. I don’t recall being able to get to it from in the car, but maybe you 
can. I just checked mine out when I knew it wasn’t working to see what was 
involved and to confirm that it was, in fact, dead.

-D

> On Mar 31, 2024, at 10:39 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2024-03-31 10:31, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> On the 210 if you remove the wood panel you can manually take a screw driver 
>> and pry the leaver back that locks it.
> 
> That's why I was hoping junkyard Kleb would chime in.
> Wood off already, where is this lever?
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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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On 2024-03-31 11:16, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
Mine is a newer facelift model, but I couldn't shift out of park one 
time. My issue was the brake light switch. There are two sets of 
contacts in it, one for the lights, and one as an input to the 
computer.  Also there is a manual override to get it out of park. Mine 
is a 2000 so this may not apply. Still doesn't explain your no crank 
situation though.


It's cranking now, but no fire and no shift.
The fact that I don't hear a fuel pump probably has something to do with 
the no fire.

Just started cranking after I left the battery hooked up for a while.

I think the 2000+ 210s have the +/- sideways shifter not the 1234 
shifter.
The +/- in my ML has the slot for the override without taking anything 
apart.


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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mine is a newer facelift model, but I couldn't shift out of park one time. My 
issue was the brake light switch. There are two sets of contacts in it, one for 
the lights, and one as an input to the computer.  Also there is a manual 
override to get it out of park. Mine is a 2000 so this may not apply. Still 
doesn't explain your no crank situation though.

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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Yes
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> On Mar 31, 2024, at 10:45 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2024-03-31 10:42, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s been a while but it’s down in there somewhere. I don’t think it’s 
>> designed to manually move it, since it doesn’t have a which release deal 
>> like later cars but you can, as far as I recall. Seemed like it was buried 
>> toward the bottom of one side or the other.
> 
> Thanks.
> And with no battery in the car to energize any possible solenoids, you just 
> force the thing to move and pull the shifter back?
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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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On 2024-03-31 10:42, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
It’s been a while but it’s down in there somewhere. I don’t think it’s 
designed to manually move it, since it doesn’t have a which release 
deal like later cars but you can, as far as I recall. Seemed like it 
was buried toward the bottom of one side or the other.


Thanks.
And with no battery in the car to energize any possible solenoids, you 
just force the thing to move and pull the shifter back?


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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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It’s been a while but it’s down in there somewhere. I don’t think it’s designed 
to manually move it, since it doesn’t have a which release deal like later cars 
but you can, as far as I recall. Seemed like it was buried toward the bottom of 
one side or the other. 

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> wrote:
> 
> On 2024-03-31 10:31, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> On the 210 if you remove the wood panel you can manually take a screw driver 
>> and pry the leaver back that locks it.
> 
> That's why I was hoping junkyard Kleb would chime in.
> Wood off already, where is this lever?
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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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On 2024-03-31 10:31, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
On the 210 if you remove the wood panel you can manually take a screw 
driver and pry the leaver back that locks it.


That's why I was hoping junkyard Kleb would chime in.
Wood off already, where is this lever?

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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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On 2024-03-31 10:16, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Looks like the W210 is one that doesn’t have the release on the shifter 
like other models. However, some really good info on various aspects of 
the situation here:






Thanks, Dan.
That was the link I was fruitlessly looking for yesterday.

The PLIL is near the bottom left rear of the trans.
https://www.benzworld.org/attachments/shiftparts722_6-pdf.852042/

I currently have the left side of the car jacked up, but not far enough 
to crawl under in the mud. (the tires sunk into the mud and I'm trying 
to lift the car out of the holes it's in before moving it)


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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

On the 210 if you remove the wood panel you can manually take a screw driver 
and pry the leaver back that locks it. 


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>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like the W210 is one that doesn’t have the release on the shifter like 
> other models. However, some really good info on various aspects of the 
> situation here:
> 
> 
> [benzworld_org_profile.png]
> shift lock
> benzworld.org
> 
> -D
> 
> On Mar 31, 2024, at 9:00 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2024-03-31 08:23, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Couple things here:
> There is a release for the shifter you can trip using a small screwdriver or 
> a pen, as I recall.
> 
> My ML has that, a little door at the rear/bottom of the pattern indicators.
> There's no door like that at the 1234D indicator on my 99E320 and 97S420
> 
> The W210 shifter uses a lockout solenoid to than prevent shifting out of 
> park. It can get sticky or even fail, however, as I recall, whne it fails it 
> fails open, meaning you can move the shifter to whereever you like regardless 
> of the car’s mode. My 98 W210 wagon was like this, and I found that the 
> solenoid is not a service part, you have to replace the whole shifter 
> assembly. Nope!
> 
> Wouldn't that mean you could always shift out of P without a battery in the 
> car?
> I think there's also a mechanical cable linkage to the brake pedal like on a 
> W202 C-class. If so, I suspect that cable is where my problem lies. For now, 
> I need to move it 60 on (wet right now) grass. Dragging it in P is a last 
> resort.
> 
> Unfortunately I  seem to have misplaced the operators manual for the 99 
> wagon, but the 97 W140 manual makes no mention of overriding the parking 
> lock. Nor do any of the non-operating manuals for the 99 wagon. I wish I had 
> the 99 manual handy, I know it explained towing mode, but IIRC all towing 
> mode did was turn off the 4matic braking on rolling wheels.
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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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Looks like the W210 is one that doesn’t have the release on the shifter like 
other models. However, some really good info on various aspects of the 
situation here:


[benzworld_org_profile.png]
shift lock
benzworld.org

-D

On Mar 31, 2024, at 9:00 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
wrote:

On 2024-03-31 08:23, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Couple things here:
There is a release for the shifter you can trip using a small screwdriver or a 
pen, as I recall.

My ML has that, a little door at the rear/bottom of the pattern indicators.
There's no door like that at the 1234D indicator on my 99E320 and 97S420

The W210 shifter uses a lockout solenoid to than prevent shifting out of park. 
It can get sticky or even fail, however, as I recall, whne it fails it fails 
open, meaning you can move the shifter to whereever you like regardless of the 
car’s mode. My 98 W210 wagon was like this, and I found that the solenoid is 
not a service part, you have to replace the whole shifter assembly. Nope!

Wouldn't that mean you could always shift out of P without a battery in the car?
I think there's also a mechanical cable linkage to the brake pedal like on a 
W202 C-class. If so, I suspect that cable is where my problem lies. For now, I 
need to move it 60 on (wet right now) grass. Dragging it in P is a last resort.

Unfortunately I  seem to have misplaced the operators manual for the 99 wagon, 
but the 97 W140 manual makes no mention of overriding the parking lock. Nor do 
any of the non-operating manuals for the 99 wagon. I wish I had the 99 manual 
handy, I know it explained towing mode, but IIRC all towing mode did was turn 
off the 4matic braking on rolling wheels.

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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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On 2024-03-31 08:23, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Couple things here:

There is a release for the shifter you can trip using a small 
screwdriver or a pen, as I recall.


My ML has that, a little door at the rear/bottom of the pattern 
indicators.

There's no door like that at the 1234D indicator on my 99E320 and 97S420



The W210 shifter uses a lockout solenoid to than prevent shifting out 
of park. It can get sticky or even fail, however, as I recall, whne it 
fails it fails open, meaning you can move the shifter to whereever you 
like regardless of the car’s mode. My 98 W210 wagon was like this, and 
I found that the solenoid is not a service part, you have to replace 
the whole shifter assembly. Nope!


Wouldn't that mean you could always shift out of P without a battery in 
the car?
I think there's also a mechanical cable linkage to the brake pedal like 
on a W202 C-class. If so, I suspect that cable is where my problem lies. 
For now, I need to move it 60 on (wet right now) grass. Dragging it in P 
is a last resort.


Unfortunately I  seem to have misplaced the operators manual for the 99 
wagon, but the 97 W140 manual makes no mention of overriding the parking 
lock. Nor do any of the non-operating manuals for the 99 wagon. I wish I 
had the 99 manual handy, I know it explained towing mode, but IIRC all 
towing mode did was turn off the 4matic braking on rolling wheels.


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Re: [MBZ] 99 210 with 1234 shfiter stuck in park

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Couple things here:

There is a release for the shifter you can trip using a small screwdriver or a 
pen, as I recall.

The W210 shifter uses a lockout solenoid to than prevent shifting out of park. 
It can get sticky or even fail, however, as I recall, whne it fails it fails 
open, meaning you can move the shifter to whereever you like regardless of the 
car’s mode. My 98 W210 wagon was like this, and I found that the solenoid is 
not a service part, you have to replace the whole shifter assembly. Nope!

-D

> On Mar 30, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> It might be one where you whack the top of the shifter and you can move it 
> then. 
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>> On Mar 30, 2024, at 9:35 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 2024-03-30 20:47, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Probably the shifter module. Common problem. Have you scanned it for faults?
>> 
>> No, but IIRC there's a cable running to these older 722.6 shifters from the 
>> brake pedal.
>> I'd just like to know where the override is so I can move the darn thing to 
>> the garage.
>> On the later shifters, there's a little door to stick a pen/screwdriver/key 
>> in.
>> 
>> On the 1234D shifter I don't see any override, even after I pull the wood 
>> off.
>> I bet Kleb knows, but it seems he's not here this weekend.
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