Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Haven't heard 'bout "free" charging, but haven't seen 'im for 3  or 4 
months.


BTW, it was annoying when he took me for a ride when he got it several 
months ago and could not resist demonstrating its acceleration.


W

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On May 1, 2019 at 2:46 PM WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:



BTW, son # 2 has a Model 3.


Did he get in on the deal where he gets free Supercharging like the Model 
S and Model X, or does he have to pay for his electricity?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Great to hear from you, Wilton! [Was: Re: OT: drove a Tesla]

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Still getting IVIG every 2 weeks.  Condition continues to deteriorate very 
subtly/gradually.


Not much rain recently.

W

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Subject: [MBZ] Great to hear from you, Wilton! [Was: Re: OT: drove a Tesla]



On Wed, 1 May 2019 14:46:32 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
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BTW, son # 2 has a Model 3.

Wilt


Wilton,

I know you are lurking on the list, but it's great to hear from you!

How are you doing these days?

Have things dried out from all the rain there?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: drove a Tesla

[WILTON via Mercedes]

BTW, son # 2 has a Model 3.

Wilt

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It seems there are plenty of superchargers available to drive a Model 3 
from Florida to Washington State.


https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Just-drove-a-Tesla-across-coutry-Florida-to-Washington-State-Ask-me-anything-/134-2216621/?r=-1=1=78627740

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Linebacker II - Where's Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes

Wilt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Linebacker II - Where's Wilton



Thanks.
Can I quote you on that in the forum where this was being discussed?
Mitch.

On April 8, 2019 at 2:43 PM WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:



I  can wholeheartedly agree that SAC's LB II planning was totally stupid 
and

screwed up.  Many of us in the pre-mission briefing at U-Tapao, Thailand,
the first night (18 Dec 72) saw the problems on the screen immediately as
the curtains were retracted.  When we saw the same BS on the screen when 
the

curtains were retracted at start of the second night's briefing, we were
damned mad.  A couple of minutes after the briefer (a captain) started 
the

second night's briefing, I stood and asked, "Who's planning such stupid
tactics and why?"  Briefer replied, "Planning is done at SAC; same 
routes,
altitudes, spacing, etc., for 'ease of planning.'"  I replied, "Well, 
that

planning is making it easy for enemy to track us and shoot us down!"  BG
Glenn Sullivan, Air Division Commander, was seated 2 rows in front of me.
He turned and looked up at me, but said nothing, but I could tell that he
agreed with me.  It was his direct msg to CINCSAC coupla days later that 
got

the planners to "wise up" and change the tactics to save the campaign.

Wilton
5,000 hrs in B-52D, E, F, G, H, incl 6 missions during LB II



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Linebacker II - Where's Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I  can wholeheartedly agree that SAC's LB II planning was totally stupid and 
screwed up.  Many of us in the pre-mission briefing at U-Tapao, Thailand, 
the first night (18 Dec 72) saw the problems on the screen immediately as 
the curtains were retracted.  When we saw the same BS on the screen when the 
curtains were retracted at start of the second night's briefing, we were 
damned mad.  A couple of minutes after the briefer (a captain) started the 
second night's briefing, I stood and asked, "Who's planning such stupid 
tactics and why?"  Briefer replied, "Planning is done at SAC; same routes, 
altitudes, spacing, etc., for 'ease of planning.'"  I replied, "Well, that 
planning is making it easy for enemy to track us and shoot us down!"  BG 
Glenn Sullivan, Air Division Commander, was seated 2 rows in front of me. 
He turned and looked up at me, but said nothing, but I could tell that he 
agreed with me.  It was his direct msg to CINCSAC coupla days later that got 
the planners to "wise up" and change the tactics to save the campaign.


Wilton
5,000 hrs in B-52D, E, F, G, H, incl 6 missions during LB II

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Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 10:17 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Linebacker II - Where's Wilton


A discussion of Gen LeMay morphed into a discussion of bombing tactics, 
which turned into a discussion of whether SAC planning of Linebacker 
missions was silly...


Can you add anything to the below, or refute any of it?

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Curtis-LeMay/5-2208854/?page=2#i78220777

Originally Posted By couchlord:
And yet when SAC got the go ahead in December 1972, Omaha FUBAR'd it bad. 
After about a dozen losses they finally let the local commanders take over 
and get it done.


Zoinks replied:
True enough at first. Mission Planning didn't rely on any sort of 
deception, and the North Vietnamese could guess at the routes from where 
the tankers were orbiting. But, that was also true of most of the air 
attacks in the North. On the other hand, there was also a belief that the 
little black boxes would be magical, and to an extent they were. But in 
the end, Mission Planning really under estimated that amount of missile 
shots that the North was capable of making. Then the North ran out of 
missiles. Literally. And there were still plenty of Buffs.


Bigger Hammer replied with link from Wikipedia:
The SAC H.Q. botched those missions BADLY due to Lazy - stupid planning. 
Each night the mission was IDENTICAL - each "cell" of three B-52s flew the 
EXACT same altitude, exact same speed, exact same route, exact same 
turning point, exact same exit path. To make matters worse, the mission 
template called for a severe turn out after bomb drop which turned the 
jammers antenna away from the ground at a time the B-52 was most 
vulnerable, (bomb doors wide open, steep turn, most radar visible with 
least amount of E.C.M. That is when the majority of losses occurred. The 
N.V.A. were no dummies. It was like shooting skeet. If you know exactly 
where the targets will be, speed, altitude, course, where they will turn 
out and reduce their defense capability, ... even B-52s become easy 
targets, especially for the SAMs that were designed & built specifically 
to shoot them down and having the Soviet Air Defense experts there to 
assist ...


The Crews basically mutinied and said, "change up the damn attack plan or 
find some other idiots to be your clay pigeons"... SAC figured out that 
unsustainable losses were a "Bad Thing" and changed up the attack plans 
(no stupid tight post target turnouts wrecking the E.C.M. coverage, varied 
courses, speeds, altitudes & routes, ect... The mixed in a B-52 D into 
each cell of three B-52 (usually with two "G" models as the "D" had more 
powerful E.C.M. Jamming better equipped for providing E.C.M. jamming in 
Vietnam against the SAM-2 threat so the "D" model E.C.M. coverage helped 
protect its newer, yet weaker, "G" model brothers.


Operation Linebacker II - B-52s over North Vietnam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker_II

Couchlord responded:

Indeed. It was even worse than that.

The turn out took them into the jet stream and an instant -100mph ground 
speed hit, increasing their SAM exposure time accordingly.
The turn out was not necessary, they were dropping iron bombs from 40K' 
not 10MT nukes.
The cells were split into 3 groups of attacks each night split by exactly 
3 hours. Each attack, as mentioned above, flew the exact same routes to 
the exact same targets. The 3 hour gap allowed the NVA to reload their SAM 
sites.
The same targets were attacked on consecutive nights with the exact same 
timing and routes, as mentioned above.

The SAM depots were not attacked.
The B-52's were ordered not to jink.
Splitting each nights attack into 3 waves separated by 3 hours diluted the 
Wild Weasel and CAP support.

The chaff corridor was poorly timed and 

Re: [MBZ] Wilton or TIm C Wuz:(no subject)

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes, "my" 91 350SDL is black; don't remember a GP fuse; vaguely remember 
replacing relay.


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Curley McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:24 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Wilton or TIm C Wuz:(no subject)


Wasn't WIlton's black car a 350SDL? Anybody know if it had the normal GP 
relay with a fuse? AFIK, they all have a strip fuse! But I never had a 
350SDL or a 140POS.


Patrick, did you take the cover off the GP relay and see where the GP 
harness plugs in?


Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes wrote on 1/16/19 5:01 PM:

The glow plugs relay doesn't have a strip fuse. I have done all battery
tests. The new battery in the car is an interesting battery. Brand new 
yet

it is drained after a week's installation. That's why I took it to a
Mercedes-Benz of silver spring (MD) dealership. That's where they 
diagnosed

ignition swotch ad the issue.
Thanks every one.
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Re: [MBZ] a palindrome

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Still feeling sad and "missing" my dearly departed 87 300D with only 146 
kmi.


W

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Take a trip down the River Styx?

On Dec 19, 2018 10:30 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:


How will she celebrate when it hits 666,666 miles!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 9:02 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> #1 daughter was all excited Monday night when she pulled into the
parking lot.   The 87 300D rolled up 333,333 miles.  Still runs like a
champ!
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Differential Swap - Rear Mounts

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Glad her parts are  going  to good use.  ATTABOY!

W

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To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Differential Swap - Rear Mounts



Done with both mounts, using all-thread / socket / washers.  I'm SO glad
this job wasn't was bad as you describe Dan.  I must be living right.

They were dead, left side was very badly deteriorated.  This work is on 
The
White Whale, 390k miles, and the differential has so much slop in the 
right

side bearing that I get bad knocking noises from the rear end under
acceleration.  Both half-axles were also shot.

I've got a very nice used differential from Wilton's 300D, only 148k 
miles,

so that differential and axles are going into The White Whale.

I ordered new differential mounts from FCP Euro last Sunday, got the wrong
count.  There are two rear diff mounts, bushings really.  There is a 
single

mount at the front, but that is really two pieces that make a sandwich on
the sub-frame.  I thought I ordered two rear mounts and one front mount
(assuming I'd get both halves of the front mount).  I ended up with two
boxes of rear mounts (with two bushings in each box) and one half of the
front mount.  I'll reuse the best looking side from Wilton's sedan for 
now.


OK, back out under TWW to muscle the diff into place, fun fun fun...
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Is there a reason why you want to change these out? Are they worn or
otherwise looking like they need replacement?

I ask because they are a total pig to replace.

-D


> On Oct 20, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys.  Air chisel - that doesn't sound good, I don't have one of
> those
>
> Reading the FSM 35-050, a special tool is required to measure a 
> dimension

> between left mount and a spot on the sub-frame, looks like MB wants the
> mounts to be flat to each other and perpendicular to the driveshaft? 
> How

> do I work around lack of that special tool?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:34 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> And you’ll need an air chisel to get the mounts out most likely.  From
the
>> back, I would add.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Max.
>>> "Looks like I'll need to fashion up some sort of puller with big
sockets
>> and
>>> a nice piece of acme all-thread.  "
>>> That's what I did.
>>> Fred.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 1:17 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 What's the method for R the differential mounts in the sub-frame 
 at

>> the
 rear of the differential?

 I seem to recall someone said they are driven out to the front of 
 the

>> car?

 Looks like I'll need to fashion up some sort of puller with big
sockets
>> and
 a nice piece of acme all-thread.
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane Michael

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Mike seems to be squeezing past us to the West; we're on eastern edge of the 
significant RADAR returns; light rain, wind and light gusts so far.  Lucky, 
lucky, lucky; hoping it holds.


W

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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hurricane Michael



On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:39:24 -0600 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:


For those who want to see a satellite picture (and loop if you press the
"Loop" button just below the dark blue bar), go to:

https://www.aviationweather.gov/satellite/plot?region=clt=vis=


And to see animated radar, go to:

https://www.aviationweather.gov/radar

and zoom in to your heart's content.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton wheels

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, that's what I need.

w


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Re: [MBZ] TOUGH?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

The circulating hot water heating system is not operative right now.  3 heat 
pumps are operative; 1st floor unit has emer/supplemental  elec heat strips.


W

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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2018 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TOUGH?



On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:04:50 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:


Well, I learned how tough I really am this morning - tried to take a
"Navy" (cold) shower, but I bailed out before I got really wet all
over.  I'm not very tough at all.  Plumber came coupla hours later and
got the water heater working, so it seems I may have "lucked out" on
that part of flooded basement.


Wilton,

Is your house heating system operative, too?


Craig

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[MBZ] TOUGH?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Well, I learned how tough I really am this morning - tried to take a "Navy" 
(cold) shower, but I bailed out before I got really wet all  over.  I'm not 
very tough at all.  Plumber came coupla hours later and got the water heater 
working, so it seems I may have "lucked out" on  that part of flooded 
basement.


W 



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Re: [MBZ] I'm back

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes, I remember how to do that.   ;<)

W

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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm back



On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 12:04:30 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:


Still pumping water  from basement.  No hot water since Sunday.


Congratulations on getting your Internet back, Wilton!

I forgot to mention on the phone that you can put pots of water on the
stove and heat them up that way -- that's what we had to do when we were
living in the Little Mobile Home on the Prairie.


Craig

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[MBZ] I'm back

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Still pumping water  from basement.  No hot water since Sunday.

Wilt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Article for Rich

[WILTON via Mercedes]

?

W

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Subject: [MBZ] OT Article for Rich


SOUTH CAROLINAGullah enclave has long history of enduring 
hurricanesPublished:

Thursday, September 13, 2018

As a potentially catastrophic Hurricane Florence steamed toward the
Carolinas, Josh Dais watched the weather reports on the television in his
barbershop and listened for updates from emergency officials.

But when it comes to deciding whether to flee this island where thousands
of black residents trace their ancestry back to West Africans who once
toiled in nearby fields, the opinions of family elders can carry as much
weight as those of professional meteorologists.

"If Mama won't leave, most folks aren't going to leave," Dais, 29, said
Tuesday, recalling how he rode out Tropical Storm Irma last year and
Hurricane Matthew in 2016 with relatives at his mother's home. "If Mama 
and

Grandma are going, then a lot of people are leaving."

Respect for tradition and deep cultural roots have persisted for
generations on St. Helena Island, the largest Gullah community on the 
South
Carolina coast. An estimated 5,000 or more people living here are 
descended

from slaves who worked rice plantations in the area before they were freed
by the Civil War.

Smaller enclaves of Gullah, referred to as Geechee in some areas, are
scattered along the Southeast's coastline from North Carolina to Florida.
Scholars say separation from the mainland caused the Gullah to retain much
of their African heritage, including a unique dialect and skills such as
cast-net fishing and basket weaving.

Destructive hurricanes haven't been too frequent in St. Helena Island's
past. But the so-called Sea Islands Hurricane of 1893 devastated the area
after rolling ashore in Savannah, Ga., and killed an estimated 2,000 
people.


Emory Campbell, a Gullah descendant and scholar, recalled riding as a boy
in a neighbor's old cart on Hilton Head Island as Hurricane Gracie struck
in 1959 and tore the roof off a hotel.

"We saw some remnants of hurricanes here when I was growing up," Campbell
said. "The wind would blow, you'd put some tin up against the window, but
you wouldn't know that much except for the scratchy sounds on the radio
coming out of Savannah."

Hurricane Matthew smashed and toppled trees across surrounding Beaufort
County in 2016 but largely spared the modest ranch houses, bungalows and
mobile homes of St. Helena Island.

John Brown, 54, said he spent two weeks after Matthew cutting up fallen
trees with a chain saw in his job for a municipal public works department.
A giant live oak uprooted by the storm remains intact across the street
from Brown's home.

"If my job didn't require me to stay, I'd be out of here in a heartbeat,"
Brown said after giving fresh water to his four cows Tuesday. "I think 
most

of the older ones, they're kind of stubborn. But the younger ones, not so
much."

Bertha Bradley wasn't worrying. She and her husband grew up on St. Helena
Island and own Bradley's Seafood, a small cinderblock shop where they sell
shrimp, flounder and whiting, all caught by their son.

Bradley said she has never favored evacuating ahead of hurricanes, in part
because her great-grandmother never did. Bradley and her husband missed
Gracie in 1959 because they were in Savannah after getting married. One
subsequent storm, she's not sure which one, scared them enough to get them
to leave the island.

But the traffic, she said, was awful.

"I said, 'Why get on the road like this? I'm going to get killed on the
road,'" Bradley said. "I should stay in my house, where I have water and
food. If God's coming for you, you can't run from him." *— Russ Bynum,
Associated Press*
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Re: [MBZ] OT Flo

[WILTON via Mercedes]

1300 14 Sep;  doing fairly well here; winds during night and today 'bout  30 
mph w/gusts to 45-50.  Lucky to stay fairly well between rain bands most of 
night and much of today.  Basement still dry.  Running sump pump in outside 
basement well occasionally.  Still have power.  Center is ashore and moving 
VERY slowly away from us - quite a way to go to clear the area, though.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mitch Haley" 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Flo




On September 13, 2018 at 1:35 PM WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:



A sprinkle of rain here at Goldsboro, NC, today at 1245; no wind yet -
northwestern-most edge of Flo.
More to come.


Did you put the WiltonWheels™ on the Benz yet?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180913/cab872023698f6dd7260202e78f8a276.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT Flo

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Two high pressure systems to the north.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Turner via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Larry Turner" 
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Flo


I keep wondering how the forecasters predicted Florence to gain and hold 
strength until it hit land. What little I know saw the same with high water 
temps and nothing in the way of steering winds to block it. It started at 
Force 4 and hit at Force 2. Do we not understand hurricanes? Are the 
reporting devices (buoys, etc) not working properly? Did something appear 
like a new High or Low pressure area to weaken or steer it?


Anyone know?

LarryT


On 09/13/2018 4:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On September 13, 2018 at 1:35 PM WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:



A sprinkle of rain here at Goldsboro, NC, today at 1245; no wind yet -
northwestern-most edge of Flo.
More to come.

Did you put the WiltonWheels™ on the Benz yet?
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180913/cab872023698f6dd7260202e78f8a276.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT Flo

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Hoping Schwartze is parked far enough away from trees to be safe.

W

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "WILTON" 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Flo



1600 13 SEP; occasional sprinkle, light breeze.

W

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Flo



On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:35:45 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

A sprinkle of rain here at Goldsboro, NC, today at 1245; no wind yet - 
northwestern-most edge of Flo.

More to come.


Great to hear from you, Wilton!

Keep us updated on how things go there.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Flo

[WILTON via Mercedes]

1600 13 SEP; occasional sprinkle, light breeze.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Flo



On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:35:45 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

A sprinkle of rain here at Goldsboro, NC, today at 1245; no wind yet - 
northwestern-most edge of Flo.

More to come.


Great to hear from you, Wilton!

Keep us updated on how things go there.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Flo

[WILTON via Mercedes]

A sprinkle of rain here at Goldsboro, NC, today at 1245; no wind yet - 
northwestern-most edge of Flo.

More to come.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Flo



Those wave heights never appear at the shoreline, but the wave action on
top of the storm surge is, nevertheless, a force that very few man-made
structures can resist.  There's a dome-home near the beach over on
Sullivan's Island, not far from me.  That puppy would be what I would 
want,

if I lived on that beach.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:50 AM G Mann via Mercedes 


wrote:


"Only 55 ft waves"

Well dang and I already unpacked the big water wings...

83 ft waves so... a wave 3 times the height of a single story 
house...

That makes me want to run right out and buy a little "beach house", right
on the ocean... yup not.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Wilton needs a new clock

[WILTON via Mercedes]

WOW!

WS

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Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2018 6:14 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: Wilton needs a new clock



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Re: [MBZ] Key head question for 1983 300TD

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I made a nice walnut one for my 350SDL 10/12 years ago; Tim Cone may have it 
now.


Wilt

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "OK Don" 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Key head question for 1983 300TD



Sounds like a job for a 3D printer - - - anyone have one?

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 5:58 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I made a wooden one out of a scrap of hardwood some years ago, it's not
terribly hard, I don't have much for wood working tools or skills...
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 12:49 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes<
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Those are junk and do not last.

IIRC, somebody on the list was making wood key heads a few years back.
Those would be really good and long life

clay

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jul 20, 2018, at 11:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I need one of these but they are uber pricey.  Is there any way to
> disassemble an existing key head on a key I no longer need without
> destroying it?  I have fiddled around with a small flathead screwdriver
but
> fear ripping it apart.  A local locksmith also tried and gave up.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Key-Blank-Head-fits-
1965-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300D-240D-300CD-WD-EXPRESS/
132675456265?epid=140178608=item1ee412cd09:g:ClYAAOSwRyRbIH~6=mtr
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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few 
who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

How 'bout a fundme account for a NEW, WHITE Mercedes?

W

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "M. Mitchell Marmel" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad



Rubber palmed utility gloves?  They have thin ones nowadays about the same
weight as driving gloves.   The rubber protects one from heat and provides
a grip...



On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:43 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:

Concern for the paint and condition of the metal is why the grab pad is 
on

the glass so far.  Not only might paint get messed up in long term,
people's curiosity may make them pull and pick at something not "normal" 
to

them and, possibly, distort the metal.  Grab pad with "T" handle serving
well right now.  Just wondering what days of intense heat will do to it.

W

- Original Message - From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad



Certainly this challenge is common to a decent percentage of our

population, and that percentage will only get bigger as we age, so be
ready
to patent whatever you develop.

I wonder if there is a suitable glue to fix the base/mount of the grab
bars
directly onto the side of the car.  Would need to re-paint after removal
(if the car is ever sold), but no body work to fill in any holes.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Concern for the paint and condition of the metal is why the grab pad is on 
the glass so far.  Not only might paint get messed up in long term, people's 
curiosity may make them pull and pick at something not "normal" to them and, 
possibly, distort the metal.  Grab pad with "T" handle serving well right 
now.  Just wondering what days of intense heat will do to it.


W

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad



Certainly this challenge is common to a decent percentage of our
population, and that percentage will only get bigger as we age, so be 
ready

to patent whatever you develop.

I wonder if there is a suitable glue to fix the base/mount of the grab 
bars

directly onto the side of the car.  Would need to re-paint after removal
(if the car is ever sold), but no body work to fill in any holes.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I think that's what I decided about drain channel, too - likely why I 
haven't done anything with that.  ;>)


W

- Original Message - 
From: "G Mann via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad



Thanks Wilton, I considered that route as well, however after some study
and measurement [happen to have a few Mercedes around to measure] I find
clamping anything to the drain channel would disrupt the trunk seal rubber
and breach the trunk seal in a way that could generate a leak path. So, my
choice was to use the edge of the trunk at the skin pinch weld area.

Disadvantage of that could be, the grab bar would lift with the trunk lid.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 8:03 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:


I've considered such mounted to side of the drain channel beneath side of
trunk lid, too, so as not to affect trunk lid operation - remain fixed.

W

- Original Message - From: "G Mann via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad


The design I'm thinking of would clamp to the edge of the trunk at the 
side

seam and perhaps be the length of the straight portion of the trunk lid,
so
there was plenty of good solid support that wouldn't come loose in heat,
like a suction cup will eventually.

Same clamping system for the door pieces, since the pinch weld for both
the
door edge and trunk edge is the same thickness. The grab bar would rise
with the opening of the trunk lid.. that might present a problem?

Should be good for a 200 lb pull , scientific wild ass guess calculation
wise. The actual grab bar could be, say, 1 1/4 inch diameter, so not "to
objectionable" looks wise.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



My dad uses these in the shower:
https://www.amazon.com/Jumbl-Bath-Shower-Suction-Handle/dp/B012OS377S

While looking for a link to those, I saw this and thought that looked
smaller and more tasteful.
10lb support rating might mean it'll fall off if you slip and try to
catch
yourself on it, but the size/style might have merit...
https://www.amazon.com/Strong-Suction-Safety-Bathroom-
Handrail/dp/B07BJ2NGHK

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I've considered such mounted to side of the drain channel beneath side of 
trunk lid, too, so as not to affect trunk lid operation - remain fixed.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "G Mann via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad


The design I'm thinking of would clamp to the edge of the trunk at the 
side
seam and perhaps be the length of the straight portion of the trunk lid, 
so

there was plenty of good solid support that wouldn't come loose in heat,
like a suction cup will eventually.

Same clamping system for the door pieces, since the pinch weld for both 
the

door edge and trunk edge is the same thickness. The grab bar would rise
with the opening of the trunk lid.. that might present a problem?

Should be good for a 200 lb pull , scientific wild ass guess calculation
wise. The actual grab bar could be, say, 1 1/4 inch diameter, so not "to
objectionable" looks wise.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 7:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



My dad uses these in the shower:
https://www.amazon.com/Jumbl-Bath-Shower-Suction-Handle/dp/B012OS377S

While looking for a link to those, I saw this and thought that looked
smaller and more tasteful.
10lb support rating might mean it'll fall off if you slip and try to 
catch

yourself on it, but the size/style might have merit...
https://www.amazon.com/Strong-Suction-Safety-Bathroom-
Handrail/dp/B07BJ2NGHK

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Saw the suction-mounted bars at Lowes.  'Have not seen the smaller pads 
shown in second site.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mitch Haley" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad




My dad uses these in the shower:
https://www.amazon.com/Jumbl-Bath-Shower-Suction-Handle/dp/B012OS377S

While looking for a link to those, I saw this and thought that looked 
smaller and more tasteful.
10lb support rating might mean it'll fall off if you slip and try to catch 
yourself on it, but the size/style might have merit...

https://www.amazon.com/Strong-Suction-Safety-Bathroom-Handrail/dp/B07BJ2NGHK

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Been thinking 'bout bar mounted to underside lip of trunk for 2 or 3 weeks. 
Yes, I've noticed how such can be done without affecting original 
function/operation.  I can easily reach those areas.
'Had not considered such on doors 'cause the door handles serve the purpose 
so nicely.


Meanwhile, 'saw suction cup and decided to give it a try.  Cheap (maybe too 
cheap), simple, easy.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "G Mann via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad



Wilton,

If you had grab bars that attached to the top of the doors and were the
length of the top of the door [front and rear, individual pieces] , then
another grab bar that attached to the side lip of the trunk and ran the
length of the trunk, Could you reach them easily?

I have a design in mind for grab bars that would attach to the upper lip 
of

the doors and the side lip of the trunk.. and not interfere with the
operation of either one.

They could be coated with rubber grip material to retard heat and give
grip. Install should be simple and easy.

As an alternative, the grab bars on the doors could be vertical and 
mounted

on the trailing edge of the doors, your option.

I wait for your guidance.

Grant...

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Yes, a fact of life that we must adapt as things change.
I was just concerned that the heat might cause trouble with your suction
cup gripper and let you down, so I was trying to think of options for 
you.

You were ahead of me and had already tried them. It is unfortunate that
your car is black rather than white.

RB


On 26/06/2018 3:16 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


Yep, can pop trunk on approach (tried it coupla. times), but what about
departure?  I don't have a powered trunk lid for closing it after I 
leave

it.

For coupla weeks, been using golf club "socks" on hands to shield 'em
from burning/blistering.  'Works reasonably well, 'cept hassle of having
'em where/when I need 'em (on left rear seat and/or in trunk) and 
donning

'em as necessary (same as mittens/gloves).

'Could also install bathroom grab bars all around; could even circulate
coolant through 'em.

'Could probably just not leave home, too.  ;>)

W

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Randy Bennell" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad


Just be careful and don't fall!

Would it help if you popped the trunk so that you could lift the lid
from the side and hang onto the area where the weatherstripping is? 
That
might be cooler than the surface of the trunk lid. Or, keep some 
leather
gloves in the car and pull them on before you start down the side of 
the

car.

RB

On 26/06/2018 12:31 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


As some of you may know, I'm unable to stand or walk safely without
aid. I
use a walker (rollator) around the house, back and forth to the car 
and

for
short trips from the car. For longer trips from car, such as shopping,
touring museum, etc., I use an electric mobility scooter kept in trunk
of
the car. Scooter comes apart and reassembles quickly and easily in
about 45
seconds. I can easily and safely move from driver seat along side of
car by
gripping the door handles. Moving past left rear corner of car to the
trunk, though, can present a special problem. When sun is not too hot, 
I

can grip forward edge of trunk lid with my finger tips. On really hot,
sunny days, though, the black trunk lid and rear window can get too 
hot

to
touch.

Using a 4-inch dia. suction cup dent puller, I may have made and
installed a
grip pad to help me move around that precarious corner more safely. 
See

attached photo of pad installed. I cut the puller handles away leaving
only
a "T" section needed for my purpose.

'Seems to work fairly well, but I haven't needed it on a really hot 
day

yet
for a proper, real-life test.

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, been concerned about the heat durability of the plastic and rubber. 
'Planning to watch closely.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 

To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Randy Bennell" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad



Yes, a fact of life that we must adapt as things change.
I was just concerned that the heat might cause trouble with your suction 
cup gripper and let you down, so I was trying to think of options for you. 
You were ahead of me and had already tried them. It is unfortunate that 
your car is black rather than white.


RB

On 26/06/2018 3:16 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Yep, can pop trunk on approach (tried it coupla. times), but what about 
departure? I don't have a powered trunk lid for closing it after I leave 
it.


For coupla weeks, been using golf club "socks" on hands to shield 'em 
from burning/blistering. 'Works reasonably well, 'cept hassle of having 
'em where/when I need 'em (on left rear seat and/or in trunk) and donning 
'em as necessary (same as mittens/gloves).


'Could also install bathroom grab bars all around; could even circulate 
coolant through 'em.


'Could probably just not leave home, too. ;>)

W

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 


To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Randy Bennell" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad



Just be careful and don't fall!
Would it help if you popped the trunk so that you could lift the lid 
from the side and hang onto the area where the weatherstripping is? That 
might be cooler than the surface of the trunk lid. Or, keep some leather 
gloves in the car and pull them on before you start down the side of the 
car.


RB

On 26/06/2018 12:31 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
As some of you may know, I'm unable to stand or walk safely without 
aid. I
use a walker (rollator) around the house, back and forth to the car and 
for

short trips from the car. For longer trips from car, such as shopping,
touring museum, etc., I use an electric mobility scooter kept in trunk 
of
the car. Scooter comes apart and reassembles quickly and easily in 
about 45
seconds. I can easily and safely move from driver seat along side of 
car by

gripping the door handles. Moving past left rear corner of car to the
trunk, though, can present a special problem. When sun is not too hot, 
I

can grip forward edge of trunk lid with my finger tips. On really hot,
sunny days, though, the black trunk lid and rear window can get too hot 
to

touch.

Using a 4-inch dia. suction cup dent puller, I may have made and 
installed a

grip pad to help me move around that precarious corner more safely. See
attached photo of pad installed. I cut the puller handles away leaving 
only

a "T" section needed for my purpose.

'Seems to work fairly well, but I haven't needed it on a really hot day 
yet

for a proper, real-life test.

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, can pop trunk on approach (tried it coupla. times), but what about 
departure?  I don't have a powered trunk lid for closing it after I leave 
it.


For coupla weeks, been using golf club "socks" on hands to shield 'em from 
burning/blistering.  'Works reasonably well, 'cept hassle of having 'em 
where/when I need 'em (on left rear seat and/or in trunk) and donning 'em as 
necessary (same as mittens/gloves).


'Could also install bathroom grab bars all around; could even circulate 
coolant through 'em.


'Could probably just not leave home, too.  ;>)

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" 

To: "WILTON via Mercedes" 
Cc: "Randy Bennell" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes grab pad



Just be careful and don't fall!
Would it help if you popped the trunk so that you could lift the lid from 
the side and hang onto the area where the weatherstripping is? That might 
be cooler than the surface of the trunk lid. Or, keep some leather gloves 
in the car and pull them on before you start down the side of the car.


RB

On 26/06/2018 12:31 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
As some of you may know, I'm unable to stand or walk safely without aid. 
I
use a walker (rollator) around the house, back and forth to the car and 
for

short trips from the car. For longer trips from car, such as shopping,
touring museum, etc., I use an electric mobility scooter kept in trunk of
the car. Scooter comes apart and reassembles quickly and easily in about 
45
seconds. I can easily and safely move from driver seat along side of car 
by

gripping the door handles. Moving past left rear corner of car to the
trunk, though, can present a special problem. When sun is not too hot, I
can grip forward edge of trunk lid with my finger tips. On really hot,
sunny days, though, the black trunk lid and rear window can get too hot 
to

touch.

Using a 4-inch dia. suction cup dent puller, I may have made and 
installed a

grip pad to help me move around that precarious corner more safely. See
attached photo of pad installed. I cut the puller handles away leaving 
only

a "T" section needed for my purpose.

'Seems to work fairly well, but I haven't needed it on a really hot day 
yet

for a proper, real-life test.

Wilton



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[MBZ] Mercedes grab pad

[WILTON via Mercedes]

As some of you may know, I'm unable to stand or walk safely without aid. I 
use a walker (rollator) around the house, back and forth to the car and for 
short trips from the car. For longer trips from car, such as shopping, 
touring museum, etc., I use an electric mobility scooter kept in trunk of 
the car. Scooter comes apart and reassembles quickly and easily in about 45 
seconds. I can easily and safely move from driver seat along side of car by 
gripping the door handles. Moving past left rear corner of car to the 
trunk, though, can present a special problem. When sun is not too hot, I 
can grip forward edge of trunk lid with my finger tips. On really hot, 
sunny days, though, the black trunk lid and rear window can get too hot to 
touch.

Using a 4-inch dia. suction cup dent puller, I may have made and installed a 
grip pad to help me move around that precarious corner more safely. See 
attached photo of pad installed. I cut the puller handles away leaving only 
a "T" section needed for my purpose.

'Seems to work fairly well, but I haven't needed it on a really hot day yet 
for a proper, real-life test.

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Re: [MBZ] Wilton back online?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I'm back.  Thnks.

W
- Original Message - 
From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:20 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Wilton back online?



Kaleb thinks he's got if fixed I think...
-
Max
Charleston SC
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[MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Anybody there?

W

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[MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Anybody there?

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] Goldsboro Get-Together

[WILTON via Mercedes]

When I try to open the Penoff address, my computer blocks it as a 
"malicious" site and shuts it down.  'Sup with that?


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Goldsboro Get-Together



On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 11:36:11 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


Craig is in the field with limited resources and some HUGE picture
files, so I uploaded all of his photos from the Goldsboro Get-Together
with Wilton and friends and posted on my web site at:


Thank you for uploading them to your website, Dan.

I did not even delete the bad ones nor rotate the ones which needed it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mini NC Q

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Lots of stuff on the menu, including grits (one syllable), but I had one egg 
scrambled, country ham (huge piece shared w/Craig) & toast; Craig had an egg 
sunny side up, bacon, part of my ham & toast; I think Shirley had scrambled 
egg, bacon & toast.  All 3 of us missed out on the grits - I'm sure there 
are enough remaining for you to have some next time you have the 
opportunity.   :>)


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mini NC Q



What was on the menu?  Waffles?  Grits? Green eggs and ham?

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Awesome!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:19 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 

>
wrote:

> Enjoyed breakfast and visit  with Craig & Shirley this morning.
>
> Wilton
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[MBZ] Mini NC Q

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Enjoyed breakfast and visit  with Craig & Shirley this morning.

Wilton
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[MBZ] Craig in NC

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Craig, please call me.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Craig" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2018 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] South Carolina Get Together



On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 17:46:56 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:


Being the $500 diesel back to OK with you


I think you mean, "BRING the $500 diesel back to OK with you"

Sorry, can't do; we left it on John's Island.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT:anybody heard from Wilton lately?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Wishing you and all the family well.

W
- Original Message - 
From: "Tim Crone via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Tim Crone" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:anybody heard from Wilton lately?



Hi Wilton,

You'll be glad to know that my older son has taken up work on the SDLs
(his first major mechanical project). He's actually getting reasonably
but it will definitely be an all-summer project for him.

Best,
-Tim
also lurking

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
 wrote:

Hi Wilt:

Good to hear from you!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON 
via Mercedes

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 8:20 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: WILTON
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT:anybody heard from Wilton lately?

I'm okay; still lurking.

Thanks

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] OT:anybody heard from Wilton lately?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I'm okay; still lurking.

Thanks

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] OT BUFF sighting

[WILTON via Mercedes]

D model BUFFs over Vietnam carried 84 500-pounders (44 klbs) in that "small" 
bay, plus 24 more on wing pylons.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Mountain Man via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Mountain Man" 
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT BUFF sighting



Max wrote:

This weekend there's an air show at local Air Force Base.


1988 at Peterson Field AFB (CSpgs) open-house we were up close walking
under the BUFF with open bomb-bay.  Bomb-bay did not seem very large.
VietNam era flight pictures seemed to show dozens of bombs dropping
from that seemingly small bomb bay.  Go see BUFF on the ground,
cordoned off and docent explanations.  The small bomb-bay was most
memorable.  Then the hotshot (Thunderbirds or some other crew) flew
overhead and the baby riding on my shoulders nearly got dropped -
loud, fast, not seen until overhead.
tin

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Serpentine Belt Tensioner Fun

[WILTON via Mercedes]

The sounds made me sad again.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Meade Dillon" 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 7:40 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OM603 Serpentine Belt Tensioner Fun



This afternoon I took a couple hours and installed some new parts on The
White Whale.  First I took this video to show the bad shock on the serp.
belt tensioner.

https://youtu.be/OVPPmF94UNA

Installed the new shock (Stabilus, same brand as the old shock), repeated
the test.

https://youtu.be/efSfZ1nN474

Here's the amount of serp. belt vibration with the new shock and the
original solid pulley.

https://youtu.be/2zkNA4QkeHY

Now with the new OAP clutched pulley.

https://youtu.be/yfUouS4WBFk

Very little difference in the amount of serp. belt vibration.  Worth $35
for the clutch and special tool?
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT high achievement yesterday

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Nother ATTABOY!

w

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Re: [MBZ] Knackers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

ATTABOY!

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2018 9:06 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Knackers


Bought a nice white front bumper from a '92 or '93 300D today.  This will 
replace the damaged bumper on my cabriolet.  Looks like it might be an 
aftermarket bumper.  $60


Also got the five oblique injectors, $10.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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[MBZ] 211 trunk lid gremlin?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Week or so ago, SWMBO came in with mystery question:  She had been leaving a 
parking lot to head home when a woman came running toward her with arms 
waving and calling out, "Your trunk is open!  Your trunk is open!" 
Shownuff, SWMBO checked in mirror and saw trunk lid standing straight up!  I 
told SWMBO that maybe she had inadvertently "hit" the OPEN switch on the key 
fob or in the driver door inside panel.


Then, as I entered kitchen at about 0800 this morning, I glanced out at the 
car via a window in door from outside into the kitchen and saw the trunk lid 
standing straight up, again!  I went out and, luckily, did not find anything 
"amiss" (did not notice anything missing or rearranged in trunk - my 
electric mobility scooter is most significant thing there).  What the!!!??


Wilton 



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Re: [MBZ] Remodeling old house

[WILTON via Mercedes]

ATTABOY!

In '84-'87 I restored two 1875 Victorian "mansions" (one 4500SF, other 
5100SF) that are on National Register of Historic Places.  In '88, I bought 
and restored 1905 Colonial Revival (3500SF) where I still live here in 
Goldsboro, NC.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Buggered Benzmail" 
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Remodeling old house



Excellent!!!

--R
Sent from iPhone

On Mar 26, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I mentioned a while back I was remodeling a house built in 1900.  Some 
opinions were warnings telling me not to try it.   I can happily report 
things are going very well.   ALL of the electric was completely replaced 
from the basement to the attic at a cost of $5700.  ALL of it including 
new box and upgrading to 200 amp service.   All drywall/plaster repairs 
have been done.  New privacy Fence is up.  Cabinets will be delivered 
tomorrow and installed next week.  Painting is happening now.  Sleeping 
porch has been leveled and new subfloor replaced and leveled.  Upstairs 
original wood floors have been sanded and will be stained and refinished 
this weekend.  Main floor will have new wood floors installed next month. 
The only other things left are painting and installation of new 
toilet/sink in the combo laundry room/bathroom.  The electrician will be 
coming back next month to install all the new light fixtures.  AND, we 
are under budget.  Although, we are buying new kitchen appliances tonight 
and that will add an extra $1000 to budget.


Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Or one can easily make a nice set of hooks from a coat hanger:  Cut piece of 
coat hanger 6" to 8" long.  Bend 1/8" on one end 90° to main axis.  Make 
loop on other end for gripping with finger(s).  With hook aligned to slip 
into slot between cluster "case" and dashboard about 1" to 2" above outsider 
corners of cluster, push hook ¾" or so into slot; rotate hook 90° and pull 
it to engage outer case of cluster.  This always worked easily and nicely on 
my 123's and 126, but I had to free the cluster on my 124 the first time by 
driving putty knife into the slot around the case because of mfgr's glue 
overflow onto the rubber around the case/cluster.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK, How do I get the instrument cluster out?



Craig,

Just got my official MB pulling hooks out of the tool chest.  Here’s what 
I can tell you:


Part number: 140 589 02 33 00
Length of wire: approximately 6” from handle to hook
Hook length: 3/16”
Wire diameter: ~ 2 mm

There is a black line approximately 2-1/2” up from the end with the hook. 
I suspect that’s a reference point for how far you’re supposed to stick 
them into the dash before rotating to engage the cluster.  I’ll check 
today as I’m planning on pulling the cluster on the 400E.


Here is a pair on the island of large women:

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Mercedes-Instrument-Cluster-140589023300/dp/B00VU0D7KO


-D


On Feb 13, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:


On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:08:49 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:


I used heavy coat hanger wire bent into a “T” for years until I finally
popped for a set of the official MB pullers a year ago.  They are
stout!!


For the official MB pullers:

- What is the diameter of the wire?

- How long is the bent portion?

- What is the part number?

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Overall, I liked my 124 (totaled at 29+ years & 148kmi) better than my 211 
(11 years & 82kmi).


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment


Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not 
last as long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half 
or a 3rd or what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 
and 140s were at the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes 
sense. They seem cheaper to buy.


The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I 
like driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I 
like them better even though the 210 has some nice modern features.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:


That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of 
their legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?


-D


On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes 
 wrote:


The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. 
Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They 
move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the 
long term.



Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A


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[MBZ] OT FOR WILTON

[WILTON via Mercedes]

This recent thread is evidently related to my "TWO STRANGERS" post in July,
2014, in which I related my story of two young men who lived with my 
family

for several weeks in the summer of 1944.  I did not realize it then, but I
now feel confident that they were very likely German POW's.

Here's a link discussing such POW's in NC
https://www.ncpedia.org/history/20th-Century/wwii-pows

Note that main camps for the POW's were Fort Bragg (south of our home in
1944), Camp Butner (NW of our home in '44) and Camp McCall (SW of our home
in '44), but several smaller camps (New Bern, Edenton, Williamston,
Wilmington, Ahoskie) were generally east of us.  The farm is located 5 
miles
west of Spring Hope on US highway 64, at that time a main east-west 
corridor

running generally through the middle of the state the entire distance from
Manteo on the coast nearly 600 miles to the SW corner of the state.  The
entire route has been significantly upgraded and/or replaced and
supplemented by multi-lane, limited access super highways, such as I-40 
and

I-85, but many parts of the 1944 highway are still in use.  The two men in
1944 were traveling westward from somewhere east of our farm.

Following is a re-post of the original:

TWO STRANGERS (VISITORS)

   One Saturday afternoon in early summer, Carson, then nearly 18 and
driving the car, Daddy and I, then 10, were returning home after grocery
shopping in Spring Hope.  We came upon two young men in their early
twenties, standing by the road trying to “hitch” a ride.  We stopped for
them, and they got into the back seat with me.  They were thin, dirty &
unshaven and had no luggage or baggage - no package of any sort - that I
remember.  They said that they had not had a meal in several days and had
been eating green, raw corn from the fields by the road. They told us that
they were from New Jersey and just “bumming” around the country on an
“adventure.”  Because tobacco harvest time was just beginning, and labor 
was
in short supply, Daddy made a deal with them to stay with us for the 
summer

and help with the harvest.
   They had never been on a farm before, but learned quickly, seeming to
enjoy all of it, especially when I would let them “drive” the mules 
pulling
the small tobacco trucks back and forth from the fields to the curing 
barn.

At times, however, they wanted the mules to go too fast for our safety and
the animals’ good health.  Once, when one of them was driving the mule
pulling an empty tobacco trunk along the side of the busy, paved highway,
and I was in the truck with him, he was making the mule run.  Suddenly, 
the
mule bolted onto the pavement in front of an approaching Trailways bus! 
The
bus driver and I stared into each other’s terrified eyes as the bus 
skidded

toward us and stopped close enough for me to reach out and touch the front
of it.  Every day I’ve had since that day has been a bonus.
   The visitors and I soon became good friends and were often “alone” -
just the three of us.  Almost every time we were “alone,” one of them 
would
ask me if I spoke German, sometimes pressing me with,  “Are you sure you 
don’t

speak German?”  Of course, I, a ten-year-old farm boy in eastern North
Carolina in 1944, did not speak German.  After being assured each time 
that
I did not speak German, they would go into a private & lengthy 
conversation

in German.  Until a few years ago, I had never told anybody else in the
family about these conversations in German and their insistence that I not
be able to understand them.  They never spoke German around others in the
family, and I was too young and naïve to suspect anything other than what
they had told us, but I now feel certain that the two young men were,
indeed, German.
   The two visitors were with us for six or eight weeks ‘til Daddy began 
to

suspect that he may have been harboring “draft dodgers” and asked them to
leave.  They left our lives as suddenly as they had entered.  Meanwhile,
they had become part of our family - ate with us, slept in our house, wore
my brothers’ clothes, etc. - a relaxed & comfortable part of the family.
Though they became such a part of the family for that short time, I do not
remember their names; I vaguely remember that one was blond and the other
darker.
   Years later, after I had gained some knowledge of German, and learned
that there had been German prisoner-of-war camps in eastern North Carolina
and German ships/submarines had been sunk near the coast, I realized that
these two were most likely escaped German prisoners of war or even 
survivors
from a sunken German ship.  There were times many years ago, while 
watching

a movie with German speakers or someone speaking English with a German
accent, when I would feel that I had heard certain sounds and accent 
before,
finally realizing and remembering that I had heard them in 1944 from our 
two

visitors.
   How ironic that these two lived with us in friendship while two of my
brothers were at war trying to rid the 

Re: [MBZ] Leaf/snow blower

[WILTON via Mercedes]

greenworks pro - Chinese

'Seems to be fairly well made.

W

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To: 
Cc: "fmiser" 
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2018 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaf/snow blower



WILTON wrote:



Coupla  weeks ago, I needed a leaf blower...  Found
battery-operated, 60 volt model 


60 V - is that a DeWalt?  Just curious.

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[MBZ] Leaf/snow blower

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Coupla  weeks ago, I needed a leaf blower to clean up leaves around edges of 
yard, walkways and driveway - areas I can't finish properly by mulching with 
the JD garden tractor/mower the way I do the main lawn areas.  Found 
battery-operated, 60 volt  model at Lowe's that I can handle while using my 
walker and/or riding the mower.  Normally at $250, it was "on sale" for $200, I 
offered the saleslady $150.  She called her super, who accepted.  'Got to cash 
register, where it was marked down some more, and I reminded the cashier of my 
military discount for additional reduction.  'Brought it home for $109.  Worked 
great for blowing the leaves.

This afternoon SWMBO used it very effectively for blowing snow (~2+ inches) off 
front portico and walkway to the street.  I then used it to clear path from 
kitchen to car.

'Well satisfied with it's performance so far.  

Wilton

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[MBZ] Frost damage

[WILTON via Mercedes]

More frostbite:

TENDER AMERICAN & A TOUGH GREENLANDER

One evening at dinner in early December of 1978, while I was Director 
of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, a friend reminded me that 
a popular movie was playing at the base theater.  Because it was very cold 
outside (chill factor about -85° F), we rushed to the theater hoping to get 
in without standing in line outside, but we were too late; there was already 
a line of about 25 people.  Though I was wearing thermal underwear and 
boots, regular pants and shirt, a down ski jacket with hood and gloves, I 
was worried about getting frostbite on my uncovered face.  (I had gotten 
some frostbite in Michigan about 5 years earlier - I knew I had to be 
careful.)  While standing in line a few minutes before getting to the ticket 
booth, I hunched down behind the much taller guy in front of me to try 
shielding my face from the wind.  I also covered my face lightly with my 
hands and, for some additional heat on my face, exhaled my warm breath into 
the space between my hands and face.  The line moved along reasonably well, 
and I soon got inside and enjoyed the movie.
Before getting up the next morning, I could feel my forehead tingling 
and itching, and when I looked into the mirror to shave, I saw a red, 
vertical streak about ¾" wide down approximately the middle of my forehead - 
I had frostbite again!  As before, the skin on the frozen area came off much 
like sunburn, and the area itched for years.  Until just a few years ago, I 
could still see the red streak on my forehead occasionally.
At Sunday lunch a few days later, somebody mentioned that some sled dog 
teams were down at the port, seven miles away.  (Tourists from Europe would 
occasionally fly in and charter native Greenlander sled dog teams for 
two-week trips from Sondy to a small village on the coast or out onto the 
ice cap a few miles away.)  After lunch, a couple of friends rode down to 
the port with me to see the dog teams.
When we arrived at the port, only one team was still there.  The 
driver/master/musher was busy rounding up his dogs and hitching them to the 
sled.  (In Greenland, the 12 to 14 dogs forming a team are hitched to the 
sled individually in a wide, fan pattern; in Canada and Alaska, the dogs are 
hitched in pairs to form a straight column of twos in front of the sled to 
facilitate passing between trees.)  One-by-one, the musher attached a rope 
to each dog's harness and placed the dog in position in front of the sled. 
As he would turn away to fetch another dog, those already in position would 
watch the musher closely, and when the musher was looking away from them, 
they would hurriedly dig into cardboard boxes on the sled.  The musher 
caught them doing this two or three times and scolded them harshly while 
kicking them back to their places in front of the sled.
During the few minutes the musher was getting the dogs in place, I 
stepped outside of my crew-cab truck several times to take photos.  The 
chill factor was still about -85° F.  Because I could not operate the camera 
wearing gloves, though, I removed them, focused as much as possible from 
inside the truck, then stepped outside, quickly refined the focus, took the 
shot and got back in the heated truck in just a few seconds.  Before I could 
finish the photo each time, though, my fingers, nose, and face were tingling 
and hurting from the cold.  I'm certain that, if I had been outside for a 
few more seconds, I would have had some frostbite.  During the entire time, 
however, the Greenlander was wearing nothing on his head, face, ears and 
hands. What under garments he may have been wearing I don't know, but his 
outer clothing was blue jeans, a plaid shirt and boots/mukluks - no 
additional parka, etc.
He suddenly had all of his dogs in place, made one final and quick 
motion to attach all
the tow ropes to the sled at a single point, and flopped quickly down on the 
sled as the dogs took off.  In a flash, they were down the sloped shoreline 
and moving rapidly down the frozen fjord, the musher's head, face, ears and 
hands still exposed to the extreme arctic conditions.
   The mysterious and amazing point to me in all of this is how my exposed 
skin could freeze so quickly and the Greenlander's not under the same 
conditions at the same time?  Had the Greenlander become genetically and 
metabolically adapted over many generations to tolerate much colder 
temperatures than I can?  I think that is the case, but my simple 
explanation, meanwhile, is that I was an extremely tender American and that 
was one VERY TOUGH Greenlander.


Wilton 



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[MBZ] Frost damage

[WILTON via Mercedes]

That reminds me:

FROZEN  FANNY

   During the winter of 1973-74, when I was on a B-52H combat crew at 
Kincheloe AFB, MI, the co-pilot and I attended a dinner party with our wives 
at the Officers Club one evening while on alert.  Because I was going to be 
inside the club building for three or four hours, I had removed my thermal 
underwear, and was wearing only my cotton under shorts, T-shirt, Nomex 
flight suit, and street shoes and socks.  While traveling from the alert 
facility to the club and back, I also wore a flight parka with a hood 
(waist-length heavy coat) and gloves.  As usual, we had additional cold 
weather clothing on the aircraft we could don if we were suddenly called 
upon to fly during this time.  On this particular day, as on many days in 
the Michigan Upper Peninsula, it had snowed hard all day.
   Arriving back at the alert facility after the party, our crew-cab truck 
got stuck in deep snow near our parking space, and as we tried to free the 
vehicle, one of the snow chains came off a rear wheel.  Using snow shovels, 
the co-pilot and I worked for several minutes to remove snow from beneath 
the vehicle and reinstall the chain.
   After we had finally parked the vehicle in the appropriate space, we 
went inside the building, where a movie was playing in the briefing room.  I 
stepped inside the briefing room, stood and watched the screen for a couple 
of minutes, then took a seat on the front row to watch the rest of the 
movie.  As I sat down, though, I suddenly felt significant pain in the 
buttocks area - I had frozen my buttocks!
   While I shoveled snow and reinstalled the chain, my thin flightsuit and 
under shorts were pulled tightly across my buttocks, which were elevated to 
the full fury of the blizzard as I bent to the task.  The skin on my 
buttocks came off like sunburn, and the area itched slightly for years.  So, 
you see, I literally froze my fanny off for Uncle Sam, and no, I did not 
claim a Purple Heart for it.  Oh, by the way, I never stood around 
scratching the itch, either - I simply endured it.


Wilton 



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[MBZ] This One's for Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

All crews flew all the aircraft at random.  Only maintenance crew chiefs 
could claim "my airplane."  In an 18-aircraft squadron, 4 aircraft sat on 
alert (nukes & everything loaded ready to be in flight in less than 15 min. 
from klaxon sounding) for 3-month periods on a rotating basis.  Crews were 
on alert every 3rd week and usually flew 2 or 3 training missions (8 to 10 
hrs ea.) between alert tours.  After a week on alert, crews were "off" for 
3½ (usually, 4 for practical purposes) days, when they were not supposed to 
be "bothered," except for "special" occasion.  This off time was not counted 
as leave, and we could go any where we wanted with no limits except to be 
back and available for duty at end of the "off" time.  I flew a Cessna 182 
from Sault Ste. Marie, MI, to Rocky Mount, NC, to visit my mom during one of 
these periods in Dec '74.  Ditto for coupla trips for daughter's college 
visit & orientation in '75.


Aircraft flew 400 to 500 hrs per year.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Mitch Haley" <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This One's for Wilton




On December 22, 2017 at 11:58 AM WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



Oops!  Just read a report that "high-time" one now has nearly 22 k hrs 
and

projected life remaining ~ 15k..


When you flew nuke missions, was it 'your' plane, or were their multiple 
crews assigned to each bomber?


How many hours a year might a B-52H have seen in its heyday?

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] This One's for Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Oops!  Just read a report that "high-time" one now has nearly 22 k hrs and 
projected life remaining ~ 15k..


W

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From: "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "WILTON" <wilt...@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This One's for Wilton


When I was in B-52H's ('71-'75) they had about 4 - 5k hrs; those same 
airplanes now have about 15 - 17 k hrs.


W
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From: "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Curley McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This One's for Wilton


Yes, and unfortunately caused the demise of Aloha Airlines.  Aloha 
Airlines had an outstanding safety record.  One death  from one incident 
in its entire lifetime, and that incident was from a failure of 
inspection techniques developed by the Mfgr and the FAA, not from fault 
of the airline.To its credit, the 737 stayed together enough to land, 
and to its credit, the flight crew coped with the catastrophic failure 
and landed the plane.   Those guys (and the cabin crew) are every bit as 
much heros as "Sully" but got/get NO recognition


I still miss Aloha Airlines.   They were one of the best.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
December 21, 2017 at 11:25 AM


Different animal but:

The airframe, the 152nd Boeing 737 built, named/Queen 
Liliuokalani/afterLili'uokalani 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliuokalani>, withregistration 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_registration>N73711,^[2] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243#cite_note-2> 
was built in 1969 and delivered to Aloha Airlines as a brand-new 
aircraft. While the airframe had only accumulated 35,496 flight hours 
prior to the accident, those hours were over 89,680 flight cycles (a 
flight cycle is defined as a takeoff and a landing), owing to its use on 
short flights.^[3] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243#cite_note-ASN-3>



This is in regard to the 737 that lost a big part of its roof just aft 
of the cockpit and yet managed to land safely.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] This One's for Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

When I was in B-52H's ('71-'75) they had about 4 - 5k hrs; those same 
airplanes now have about 15 - 17 k hrs.


W
- Original Message - 
From: "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curley McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This One's for Wilton


Yes, and unfortunately caused the demise of Aloha Airlines.  Aloha 
Airlines had an outstanding safety record.  One death  from one incident 
in its entire lifetime, and that incident was from a failure of inspection 
techniques developed by the Mfgr and the FAA, not from fault of the 
airline.To its credit, the 737 stayed together enough to land, and to 
its credit, the flight crew coped with the catastrophic failure and landed 
the plane.   Those guys (and the cabin crew) are every bit as much heros 
as "Sully" but got/get NO recognition


I still miss Aloha Airlines.   They were one of the best.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 21, 2017 at 11:25 AM


Different animal but:

The airframe, the 152nd Boeing 737 built, named/Queen 
Liliuokalani/afterLili'uokalani 
, withregistration 
N73711,^[2] 
 was 
built in 1969 and delivered to Aloha Airlines as a brand-new aircraft. 
While the airframe had only accumulated 35,496 flight hours prior to the 
accident, those hours were over 89,680 flight cycles (a flight cycle is 
defined as a takeoff and a landing), owing to its use on short 
flights.^[3] 




This is in regard to the 737 that lost a big part of its roof just aft of 
the cockpit and yet managed to land safely.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] This One's for Wilton

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep.  Awesome airplane!

'Still a "young" airframe with only 15,000, or so, hours.  I read that some 
747's have 75,000, or more,  hours.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [MBZ] This One's for Wilton


Wilton, looks like your great-grandkids might be flying the same 
airframe(s) that you did:


http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/17121/now-the-air-force-wants-new-engines-for-its-b-52s-that-burn-40-percent-less-fuel

Wouldn’t that be a heck of a legacy?

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Max needs this to transplant the Wilton bits

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Makes me sad again.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Max Dillon" 


Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:27 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Max needs this to transplant the Wilton bits



https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-300/6415638465.html

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] CL Photog of the day

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Should we assume that it's black?

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:12 AM
Subject: [MBZ] CL Photog of the day



https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-350-amg/6427042944.html

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] Wilton?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Thnks.  'Getting about more slowly recently.

W
 
- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton?



On 22/11/2017 1:12 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Lurkin' reich hieah.

WILTON


Good to know you are still up and about Wilton.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 747

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Indeed.  ATTABOYS to all of 'em!

W

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 2:37 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 747




Next year marks the 50th year since the introduction of the Boeing 
747.   The 737 is already over 50.


What a tribute to the guys in white shirts, skinny black ties, and 
pocket protectors running slipsticks, that the KC135, the B52, the 737 
and the 747 are all still viable airframes.  (Granted, there have been a 
lot of updates.)


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Re: [MBZ] Winton?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Thnks, you, too.

W

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winton?



Good to hear from you.  Have a great Thanksgiving!

Here’s the article:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/16264/the-us-air-force-has-taken-another-step-toward-re-engining-its-b-52s

-D


On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:20 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:


Because of many other mods that may be required to re-engine BUFFs, the 
proposals thus far have not been economically feasible.


WILTON




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Re: [MBZ] Winton?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Because of many other mods that may be required to re-engine BUFFs, the 
proposals thus far have not been economically feasible.


WILTON

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winton?



Winton, Wilton, you know who I mean…

Was just reading an article on a possible refit for engines on the BUFFs 
last night and thought about him… Wilton, that is.


-D

On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:



On November 22, 2017 at 7:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:



Anyone heard/seen Wilton lately?


I don't think his brother Winton reads this list.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Winton?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

He doesn't.

WILTON

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Mitch Haley" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winton?




On November 22, 2017 at 7:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:



Anyone heard/seen Wilton lately?


I don't think his brother Winton reads this list.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Winton?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Lurkin' reich hieah.

WILTON

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:59 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Winton?



Anyone heard/seen Wilton lately?

-D

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Re: [MBZ] '07 E320 CDI paint

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Did some dent removal in '56, '66 & '96.

W

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Mitch Haley" 
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2017 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '07 E320 CDI paint


Pocket the insurance money, and either buy some Paintless Dent Removal 
tools and do some learning, or hire the best local PDR guy you can find.

It's amazing what they can do, without stud welders or body filler.
If the paint won't buff out after PDR, well, you can worry about that 
after the dent is gone, just make sure the insurance check covers the cost 
of a proper paint fix.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NZ66maigfk

I never knew they did hard creases until recently. I wish I'd called one 
of them or bought the tools before I cracked the paint on the right fender 
of my 2017 Chevy two weeks ago. My creased fender is probably still 
fixable with PDR tools but the paint has already been cracked loose and 
it's impossible to match/blend metallic paint so it'll always be visible 
to some extent.


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Re: [MBZ] '07 E320 CDI paint

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Other driver's State Farm agent called Fri. afternoon and agreed that they 
are liable for the accident.  She started trying to give me a list of 
"their" garages I  could take it to; I finally got a  word in to ask her to 
send adjuster to my house to see the car; give me a check for the damages, 
and I'll take care of it as necessary.

Hertz also called to tell me they have a contract with SF for rental for me.
'Course, I don't get anything for the hassle this puts me through.

W

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '07 E320 CDI paint


It will only identify the paint color, which is 040.  While older 040 cars 
were a single stage paint, I don’t know about newer ones.


If you could ask a dealer about a touch up stick they could tell you if it 
comes with a tube of clear.


-D


On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I think if you plug the VIN into the Russian site or the online EPC you 
can

get the datacard, and that will give you a clue?

---------
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:51 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:

Person backed into my '07 320CDI as SWMBO was pulling into a parking 
space
yesterday.  Paint "scuffed" on left rear door and significant dent 
between
rear edge of door and left rear wheel.  How can I determine if this 
black

(040) paint is simply enamel like the paint on my '91 350SDL, or does it
have clear coat?  Rub/polish an area with cleaner on a pad or rag, 
maybe,

and, if the paint easily rubs off onto the pad/rag, it's enamel?

Wilton
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[MBZ] '07 E320 CDI paint

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Person backed into my '07 320CDI as SWMBO was pulling into a parking space 
yesterday.  Paint "scuffed" on left rear door and significant dent between rear 
edge of door and left rear wheel.  How can I determine if this black (040) 
paint is simply enamel like the paint on my '91 350SDL, or does it have clear 
coat?  Rub/polish an area with cleaner on a pad or rag, maybe, and, if the 
paint easily rubs off onto the pad/rag, it's enamel?

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 08 320 BlueTec

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My '07 (75 kmi) is doing well, so far.  'Had it since May '16.  BTW, the V-6 
is so quiet, that SWMBO "sneaked" up behind me in yard coupla days ago, & I 
didn't know she was there 'til I heard the door unlatch as she began to get 
out.  (I'm not hearing impaired.)


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Turner via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Larry Turner" 
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:37 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 08 320 BlueTec



Hi All,
Does anyone have good/bad news about subject car? Found one w/211K miles 
for less than $8K


How does that sound? Did MB get their QC problems fixed by then?

Thanks,
LarryT
91 300D
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[MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Nothing from Okieland today.

W
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[MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Anybody there?

W
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[MBZ] ? Anybody there?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Nothing from Okieland coming here.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Craig via Mercedes" 


Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Okiebenz down again?



I'm getting them.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On September 15, 2017 11:29:37 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I am again not getting from the list the emails I have sent to it ...


Craig

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[MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Anybody there?

Wilton
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[MBZ] ?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Irma & coriolis

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Since it closed as USAF Sondrestrom Air Base in Sep '92,  the Greenlanders 
have promoted it heavily as an all-season resort - hiking, camping, fishing, 
hunting, boating, cross-country skiing, exploring ice cap and glaciers, 
snowmobiling, dog sledding, etc.  'Seem to be doing quite well at it, too. 
You should go; fantastically beautiful summers; many interesting and 
beautiful sights year-round.


Suburban amenities?  Well, I certainly never thought of it quite like that, 
but it does seem to have plenty of hotel space now (former military 
barracks/dorms); hot and cold running water; coupla restaurants; adequate 
transportation ("school" buses throughout the "village"/air field), busses 
for transport to edge of ice cap/glaciers, etc.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "Mountain Man" 
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Irma & coriolis



WILTON wrote:

ANOTHER NATURAL WONDER - CORIOLIS DEMO:

...

constitute the outflow from Lake Ferguson.  (Google Earth Kangerlussuaq)


Google photos make Kangerlussuaq look like a resort.  Lots of housing,
big airplanes, most of the usual suburban amenities?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Irma & coriolis

[WILTON via Mercedes]

- Original Message - 
From: "archer75--- via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Irma & coriolis

That's interesting, Wilton. If you interrupt the coriolis severely enough it 
will stop and then re-form a variable time later, won't it?
That makes me wonder if you exploded a number of those huge bombs the AF now 
has in the walls of a hurricane coriolis; say from a flight of the planes 
you flew; if that would break up the hurricane? It would be an interesting 
experiment anyway unless it's already been tried.


Gerry


Yes, by by swirling my hand around the hole in clockwise direction,  I was 
able to overcome the counterclockwise rotation caused by the Coriolis effect 
and make the pool rotate clockwise temporarily.  Each time, after I stopped 
swirling by hand, the rotation would slowly stop (not abruptly) and return 
to its natural, counterclockwise state.


As for nukedet in a hurricane, I think its hot, rising column of hot air 
would create localized tornadic-like action soon (well,  eventually, anyway) 
to be overcome by the much larger system as long as it has an energy source 
such as a large, warm body of water beneath it.


Wilt 



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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 140 diesel fire

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Lucky, lucky, lucky.  ATTABOY!

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: ; 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 140 diesel fire


As it turned out, the harness connection was not melted at all, it was 
just coated with melted plastic from the cover that was above it. I 
chipped it off with a screw driver and it's fine. Car is back together and 
seems unscathed.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 9, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

So you all remember by car that the wife was driving that caught fire. I 
finally pulled it into the shop to have a real good look and start taking 
it apart. Other that the airbox needing to be replaced, the heat melted 
the connector for the main engine harness, and also melted off the outer 
wire loom but the actual wires themselves seem fine. It looks like hell 
and I would like to try and clean it up as Best I can if anybody has any 
ideas. Other than that I would have to replace the engine harness side 
and splice in part of the harness on the car side. Got to replace some 
melted vacuum likes in the area also. I will probably just leave the 
wiring as is right now unless something else presents itself later. The 
car does start and run fine as if nothing happened. Here are some photo. 
I also shot a video I will be uploading soon that was intended to explain 
to all the morons who commented on the news story about how something 
like this is simply impossible.














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[MBZ] Irma & coriolis

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Just happen to have written a "dissertation" on the subject coupla years
ago.  Here it is:

ANOTHER NATURAL WONDER - CORIOLIS DEMO:

By Wilton Strickland

About one mile due south of the parking ramp and control tower and across
the Watson River at Sondrestrom Air Base (Kangerlussuaq), Greenland, is a
small area laced with a "spider web" of small, shallow streams that
constitute the outflow from Lake Ferguson.  (Google Earth Kangerlussuaq)
The area is on a plateau between the lake and the river and is covered with
thick, low-growth tundra.  Several times on warm and sunny Saturday or
Sunday afternoons in the short summer of 1978, I walked around in the area
of the streams enjoying the gurgling, cold, clear water as it rushes
slightly down slope to the river.  At the edge of the plateau above the
river, the water cascades down a cliff-like bank, but, up on the plateau,
the several streams are only a couple of inches deep and one can easily walk
amongst them, step over them, etc.  While walking amongst the streams, I
noticed a very interesting phenomenon in the rock bottom of one of the
streams - water was rushing in a rapid, counterclockwise swirl into a round
hole in the bottom about one inch in diameter - a beautiful example and
demonstration of the Coriolis effect, which causes fluids to flow in a drain
or rise in a column (a tornado, for example) in a counterclockwise manner in
the Northern Hemisphere and in the opposite direction in the Southern
Hemisphere.  The cone-shaped swirl was so perfect rushing into the hole,
that I was able to tuck my finger deeply into the middle of the hole without
getting it wet.  I tried to disrupt the counterclockwise motion and make it
swirl in a clockwise fashion by swirling my hand around the hole in a
clockwise direction to force the water to reverse is direction of flow.  I
could get the swirl reversed, but it soon slowed and returned to its normal
counterclockwise direction after I stopped swirling it with my hand.

Actually, Coriolis affects all objects, not only fluids, on Earth when they
move from one point to another across the surface, within it and above it.
This effect appears greatest when the object moves directly north or south.
The effect and its apparent deflection of the moving object is caused by the
Earth's rotation and its spherical shape which leads to the Earth's surface
and objects on it having the highest west to east velocity at the equator;
and decreasing as distance from the equator increases.  This velocity at the
equator is about 1,042 mph and decreases to zero at the poles.  The entire
Earth's angular velocity is 15° per hour, but due to its diminishing size as
distance from the equator increases, the west-to-east surface velocity
decreases accordingly.  An airplane, or anything for that matter, moving
North from any point, departs that point with the west-to-east,
Earth-induced velocity of the point - faster eastward than the ground
beneath it as it proceeds northward; it appears, therefore, to be deflected
eastward (to the right in the northern hemisphere).  An airplane, or
anything, southbound in the Northern Hemisphere, has a SLOWER Earth-induced
eastward velocity than the ground beneath it as it proceeds southward.  The
Earth beneath it is going eastward FASTER than the airplane's/object's
Earth-induced velocity; the airplane/object, then, appears, relative to the
Earth's surface, to be deflected to the right, again.

This same Coriolis effect is what causes hurricanes, typhoons, tornadoes,
draining water, etc., in the Northern Hemisphere to rotate counterclockwise.
Rising columns of warmer air in thunderstorms, any low pressure area of
weather, draining fluids, etc., pull additional molecules of fluid
horizontally to fill the space vacated by the vertical movement of fluids.
Every molecule of fluid (air or water) in these situations that have any
north-south component to its vector (direction and magnitude of movement) is
deflected to the right in the Northern Hemisphere.  (All of these directions
are, of course, reversed in the Southern Hemisphere.) Though the apparent
"force" on each molecule is infinitesimally small, the combination of them
all produces the cyclonic, counterclockwise motion that can be extremely
destructive and deadly when they form into a hurricane, typhoon or tornado.

Again, this apparent force applies to EVERYTHING moving from one point to
another on, in, or above the Earth.  It applies not only to airplanes and
fluids in motion  but also to balls, birds and bullets in flight and to our
cars and bicycles as we drive or ride along; it even applies to a person
walking or running.  We never notice it, because "the force" (the apparent
deflection) is so small and we constantly correct for it by maintaining
contact, or repeated, cyclical contact with the Earth.  'Seems silly, but
let's imagine and analyze a person's walk, for example:  As the rear foot is
moved forward, it has the west-to-east, Earth-induced 

[MBZ] Irma & coriolis

[WILTON via Mercedes]

How's Irma for a fantastic demonstration of the Coriolis effect?  A rising 
column of air generated by heat from the sun and shaped (spun) by Earth's 
rotation and spherical shape.


Wilt 



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Re: [MBZ] Irma

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, 'fraid so.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Dan Penoff" <d...@penoff.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Irma



True that.

Looks like you folks in GA and the Carolinas better start battening down 
the hatches as well.


-D

On Sep 7, 2017, at 12:36 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:


And sometimes a HEAVY, LONG bands can can sit over ya and dump water 
hours like the one in  Andrew last Oct that put 13" of water into my 
basement as my gutter downspouts and drains were over-taxed and sump pump 
died.


W



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Re: [MBZ] Irma

[WILTON via Mercedes]

And sometimes a HEAVY, LONG bands can can sit over ya and dump water hours 
like the one in  Andrew last Oct that put 13" of water into my basement as 
my gutter downspouts and drains were over-taxed and sump pump died.


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Irma


We had over 11” in one day a couple of weeks ago when the low pressure 
system that never developed into a hurricane hovered over the west coast 
of Florida.  Not a big deal for the most part.


In a hurricane, unless you’re perilously close to the eye wall, rain comes 
in “bands” as the arms of the hurricane pass over.  That means the rain 
isn’t a constant deluge, it comes and goes sometimes with hours in 
between.  For that matter, the weather can be weirdly pleasant between 
these rain bands as well, with bright sun and clear skies.


-D



On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

I'd still call that a significant rain event. Houston had an exceptional 
rain event...


-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Hey Andrew!

[WILTON via Mercedes]

211 doesn't seem so bad, either, so far, but I still liked my 30-year-old 
124 better.


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Andrew!


Oh boy, now Poos is on a 210 kick, I guess he fell in love. They are not 
as bad as everyone says.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:


How far are you from Arlington?

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/d/2003-silver-mercedes-benz-320/6290902347.html

This is really nice.  I like.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] SDL key won't turn in ignition

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, usually helps to use right key.  Scary when it doesn't turn.   ;<)

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:20 PM
Subject: [MBZ] SDL key won't turn in ignition


I was at the store and got in to leave and the key would not turn. I 
giggled the key and messed with it for about 5 minutes. I then discovered I 
was using the key to the 95 e300. When I stuck the correct key in, it 
worked just fine.


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Re: [MBZ] Paging Lt Col Strickland

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, I'm here.  'Been lurking.  Lotsa watching TX weather and dozing 
recently, too.


Wilt

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Mitch Haley" 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:18 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Paging Lt Col Strickland



Hey Wilton, are you OK?
You've been kind of quiet lately.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Estate 79 CD

[WILTON via Mercedes]

And this the one for which I was gonna split $50 k with Dan?  'Sorry, Dan. 
Maybe, next time.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Estate 79 CD



So Max and I went to look at this car.

Good:
Interior pretty nice, some of the wood was coming loose
Original Becker radio, works
Dash good
Everything appears to be there
New battery
Started right up but idling very fast, maybe a missing return spring or 
something, shut off fine so vac OK

Body straight, no visible dings
Respray at some point looked OK
Pretty clean

Not so good:
Pass door not closing well
AC belt missing so I guess NO ICE COLD
Respray at some point
Rust around side chrome trim
LR bottom of rear window rust hole, water in trunk
Rust at door bottoms
Rusty in front of pass wheel well under the hood in that flat area
Window rubber all dried and cracking
Engine bay needs a good cleaning but otherwise looked OK

I forgot to try the windows and other stuff
I didn't drive it to see how that might be
Spare looked like an original tire on a bundt

I offered the estate sales woman $1500, she was thinking $7k blahblah 
million mile engine blahblah, she called the old guy and presented the 
offer, he says he'll think about it and see if any others come in.  He 
didn't say hell no.  If she gets back to me like Sat or Sun or something, 
I'll go drive it and maybe offer $1200 for jerking me around and if there 
is anything at issue with driving it.  Car has apparently been sitting 
awhile, so not been driven much.  Other than the rust, it was a nice 
looking car.  If they get better offers then no problem for me.


I'm thinking If i can get it cheepcheep a BaT candidate with a bit of 
detailing?  Stupid money for it maybe?  Quick flip?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] Estate 79 CD

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Maybe, I should rush to get it, have it detailed (weekend with Don?) and get 
the $50 k.  cough, cough, choke, gag, wheeze


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Estate 79 CD



So I just called the realtor Candace or whatever she is.

"How do you see selling this thing, do you have a price on it or what?"

"Well we'll be taking offers so come by and see what you think"

"Do you have some idea of what you're looking for on it?"

"I'm thinking $4000 or $5000 would be reasonable, it's one owner, always 
maintained, it's in good condition"


coughcoughhchoke "Do you have the maintenance records?"

"Well the owner is dead, she died last year, but the man she was with 
probably has all that"


"OK that would be good, might bump the value a bit"

"Well the engine in this car can go for a million miles, this one only has 
236 thousand so it is just broken in.   With a bit of cleaning and fix up 
you could probably get 50 thousand dollars for it, we've seen these for 
that much"


"Really?"

"Yes these are really desirable, and one owner it hasn't been abused, so 
this is a rare gem, we think it is worth a lot.  Come by and take a look 
at it, see what you think."


"OK I probably will do that"

I did not ask why the guy wasn't cleaning it up himself to get the $50k, 
maybe he is still grieving and can't stand the thought of touching her 
car?


--R



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Re: [MBZ] Mouser

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I several times ordered from Rusty in mid to late afternoon and had the 
"goods" at my front door before 1100 the next morning.


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Mouser


I ordered some caps from Mouser about 7:30 tonight. I just got an email 
from ups saying I have a package scheduled for tomorrow from Mouser. Wow 
that was fast.


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Re: [MBZ] Nice E320 Wagon

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Black interior - 'gonna let it go.

Wilt

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Re: [MBZ] Escape From Okie Acres

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My first thought, too, 'bout it's blackness, or darkness.  Then I realized, 
"Maybe, it's blue."  Still sorta dark.


Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Escape From Okie Acres



A black car in Tampa? Or are you pulling up stakes and heading up to Alaska
to start your New Life detailing Arctic Cats?

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 


wrote:


I looked around for diesel W210s but as we discussed I had a hard time
finding the later diesel model. Seems like the non-turbo (97) versions 
were

around, but the turbo versions were scarce for the most part.

I did learn that 1997 was a transitional year for the chassis and had 
some

weird things going on that would suggest it was best to avoid this model
year.

The steering wheel buttons are nice, but take some getting used to. As
with the W220 models of the same vintage, the buttons have issues with 
the
coating breaking down on them, rendering the plastic like a LaBrea tar 
pit

for one's fingers. The replacements are stupid expensive (+$200 for the
pair) yet finding a way to strip the nasty molasses-like coating on them 
is

difficult at best, and often results in the paint and therefore the icons
being damaged or destroyed in the process.

As this car has minimal needs I may break down and just buy a new set of
buttons for it. Some of the paint is already worn off as well, make me 
more

prone to go for replacement.  We'll see.

-D

> On Jul 10, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> I sure wish they offered diesel 210s after 99, but if you have the
chance to get a 98-99 diesel, do it. The bumper, grille, and taillights 
are

a little different and it does not have the steering wheel buttons but
otherwise they are the same.
>
> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, 'been thinking 'bout some type of glove, also.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "fmiser via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "fmiser" 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch



WILTON wrote:



Meanwhile, I'll just keep a small  towel handy - no additional
cost and not tempting to a vandal/thief.


Hey, maybe a pair of "oven gloves", or "hot mill" gloves.  Better
grip than the towel, and won't slide off your hands.

https://www.uline.com/BL_113/Grip-N-Hot-Mill-Gloves
https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-7147-Grip-Nitrile-Gloves/dp/B00Z2R9WB4

And it's good to hear you're still getting around. *smiles*

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Re: [MBZ] Miami Vice Leftovers, or Too Much Blow and Now I Am Dain Bramaged

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Gonna hafta let it go.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Floyd Thursby" 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Miami Vice Leftovers, or Too Much Blow and Now I Am Dain 
Bramaged



As RARE RARE!! as it is UNSAFE UNSAFE!!

It actually looks pretty nice, I wonder why the factory never considered it.

--FT


On 7/10/17 3:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 

Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Need only one at lower, left corner of rear windshield.  Driver and left 
passenger door handles work well for moving along side of car.  Antennas on my 
previous cars (124 & 126), even when retracted, worked well to provide the 
additional reference point needed at this corner.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
  From: Karl Wittnebel 
  To: WILTON 
  Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 3:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch


  They are really strong. One hopes no one would steal it. 


  You could find some with quick release triggers, and use them to walk your 
way down the car, then put them in the cart with you and reverse the process 
when you return to the car. I have never used them, but I imagine they would be 
strong, reliable, durable and versatile. 


  I am sure there are self adhesive anchors which might work also, but they 
could be a bit hard to remove without damaging the paint.


  On Jul 10, 2017 12:02 PM, "WILTON" <wilt...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

One on the lower, left corner of the rear "windshield" could probably work 
for what I need.

Wilt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Karl Wittnebel 
  To: WILTON 
  Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch


  Suction cups like the glass guys use?


  On Jul 10, 2017 7:49 AM, "WILTON" <wilt...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

Gonna try a small terrycloth towel to insulate my fingers & hands next 
time.
A grab bar mounted on that left, rear corner could help.  Yeah, I know; 
a grab bar would get hot, too.

Wilton
  - Original Message - 
  From: Karl Wittnebel 
  To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
  Cc: WILTON 
  Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch


  You could put white vinyl wrap on the parts you need to touch. Or the 
whole car in some interesting pattern.


  On Jul 7, 2017 8:23 AM, "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

Me, too.  I was hoping to not get another blackun after having the 
'91 350SDL for many years.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "OK Don via Mercedes" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "OK Don" <okd...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch



  Rattle can white paint all over it - - I hate black cars.

  On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Start looking for a white one to swap it for.




On 06/07/2017 2:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


  At Lowe's coupla hours ago, outside of Schwartze (my black 
'07 E320CDI)
  was so hot I could not touch it while moving from driver's 
door to trunk to
  remove and assemble mobility scooter I keep there.  'Had to 
ask 2 men
  nearby to help me move around left, rear corner of car.  I 
can usually hook
  ends my fingers into the space between rear "windshield" and 
upper, forward
  edge of the trunk lid to help me negotiate this corner.  
'Called another
  man nearby to help me retrace the route when I returned to  
the car. 'Have
  never seen outside of a car so hot before - not even in 
Mojave Desert.

  Wilton
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  -- 
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  *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, 
and many of
  our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

  "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. 
The few who
  learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the 
electric fence
  for themselves."

  WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
  2013 F150, 18 mpg
  2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
  1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] Too hot to touch

[WILTON via Mercedes]

On second thought, some thief would probably steal it or scratch or break 
something trying to steal it, and it wouldn't be there when I need it.  
Meanwhile, I'll just keep a small  towel handy - no additional cost and not 
tempting to a vandal/thief.

Wilt 
- Original Message - 
From: WILTON 
To: Karl Wittnebel 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch


One on the lower, left corner of the rear "windshield" could probably work 
for what I need.

Wilt
  - Original Message - 
  From: Karl Wittnebel 
  To: WILTON 
  Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch


  Suction cups like the glass guys use?


  On Jul 10, 2017 7:49 AM, "WILTON" <wilt...@nc.rr.com> wrote:

Gonna try a small terrycloth towel to insulate my fingers & hands next 
time.
A grab bar mounted on that left, rear corner could help.  Yeah, I know; 
a grab bar would get hot, too.

Wilton
  - Original Message - 
  From: Karl Wittnebel 
  To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
  Cc: WILTON 
  Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch


  You could put white vinyl wrap on the parts you need to touch. Or the 
whole car in some interesting pattern.


  On Jul 7, 2017 8:23 AM, "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

Me, too.  I was hoping to not get another blackun after having the 
'91 350SDL for many years.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "OK Don via Mercedes" 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "OK Don" <okd...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch



  Rattle can white paint all over it - - I hate black cars.

  On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


        Start looking for a white one to swap it for.




On 06/07/2017 2:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


  At Lowe's coupla hours ago, outside of Schwartze (my black 
'07 E320CDI)
  was so hot I could not touch it while moving from driver's 
door to trunk to
  remove and assemble mobility scooter I keep there.  'Had to 
ask 2 men
  nearby to help me move around left, rear corner of car.  I 
can usually hook
  ends my fingers into the space between rear "windshield" and 
upper, forward
  edge of the trunk lid to help me negotiate this corner.  
'Called another
  man nearby to help me retrace the route when I returned to  
the car. 'Have
  never seen outside of a car so hot before - not even in 
Mojave Desert.

  Wilton
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  -- 
  OK Don

  *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, 
and many of
  our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

  "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. 
The few who
  learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the 
electric fence
  for themselves."

  WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
  2013 F150, 18 mpg
  2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
  1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Escape From Okie Acres

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Wow!  'Looks good!

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan--- via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 12:34 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Escape From Okie Acres


Added a new set of wheels to the collection this past weekend, courtesy of 
Kaleb.


He spotted a nice 2002 E320 in Claremore on Craigslist. I tried several 
times to contact the owner without success. Kaleb swung by one day and got 
a look at the car after which I was finally able to speak to the owner. 
After gathering more information from the owner, Kaleb was kind enough to 
go back and check the car out in more detail for me.  It passed muster, so 
I arranged to purchase it and fly up to Tulsa to pick it up and drive it 
home.


I flew up to Tulsa on Friday on Southwest via Houston. Pretty uneventful 
until we were ready to push back and the captain comes on and says there 
is a maintenance issue that will require us to deplane while they repair 
it.


Three hours later we're finally on our way.

So I blow into Tulsa three hours late. Kaleb picked me up and we headed 
over to the owner's house in Claremore.  Checked out the car, swapped 
plates, money and title and we're done.  Swung by a Chili's and grabbed a 
burger before hitting the road.  Kaleb warned me about the toll roads down 
to I-40, so of which did not have attendants and required exact change, of 
which I had none. Kaleb was kind enough to give me 75 cents to get me 
started and advised me to "just drive through, no one will stop you. After 
the first one they have attendants that can make change."


Got through the first toll booth - 75 cents.  Get to the next one and... 
no attendant, just the bin you toss the money into.  Hmm. This is out in 
the boonies and there's no one around. so I just went on


The rest of the way they had attendants, so I could pay up. I asked the 
attendant at the first toll booth if they had a means for collecting 
missed tolls. She told me not to worry about it.


Made it to Russellville, AR Friday night/Saturday morning. Stopped at a 
highly rated Super 8. Walked in, told the desk clerk, "I can go out to my 
car and book a room for $65 right now. What will you book it for?"


"$50.00"

Done. I got some sleep and then was up at 6:30 and on the road by 7:00. 
Despite bouts of heavy rain and interstate that resembled a parking lot 
between Birmingham and Montgomery, AL, I made it back to Tampa about 12:30 
am Sunday morning.


Thanks a bunch to Kaleb for helping out on this buy. It's a really nice 
car and well cared for. I was telling the wife that I was surprised at how 
little it needed as I made up my shopping list for the dealer last night.


Being that I was pretty tired on Sunday and the normal weekend stuff I had 
to accomplish, it did not receive the full Martha treatment yet.  It did 
get an oil and filter change, air filter, cabin air filters and a well 
deserved wash yesterday.  I'll probably have at it as the week goes on.


Here's a link to a Flickr album of pictures. Some are from Kaleb's visit, 
the rest are mine taken yesterday after washing the car.


https://flickr.com/photos/31200473@N06/sets/72157682855751014

-D
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Re: [MBZ] okiebenz HVAC service

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Nother ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 4:45 PM
Subject: [MBZ] okiebenz HVAC service


So I replaced the bad run capacitor, contactor, and installed the new hard 
start kit and it still would not run. After spending an hour going back 
over everything and reviewing the photos I took before removing things I 
then discovered the inside unit was not running either. The renters didn't 
clue me in to this fact as I didn't go inside I was working outside. With 
that knowledge I then went upstairs to the inside unit and it appeared to 
have no power. I was about to throw in the towel and call a pro when I 
decided to double check things. The control board appeared dead, had no 
led lit like it should etc. we just had this replaced last year. So I 
tested to see if I was getting power to the board, yes I was. Then I 
discovered a 5 amp fuse. Bingo, it was blown. Ran down to flaps got a 
pack, replaced it and she fired fight up. I am guessing when the capacitor 
blew it must have tripped the fuse on the inside unit? Just guessing. 
Anyway I imagine I saved myself untold hundreds of dollars on a service 
call. They probably would have wanted to replace the board too. This time 
of year I see all sorts of posts on Facebook from people who's ac quit and 
I bet they spend a lot of money when it's really not that complicated. 
There really is not a whole lot to one of these.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] It's a Nissan

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Doubt I'll be getting one.  'Gonna let y'all fawn over 'em.

Wilt

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Cc: "Mitch Haley" 
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's a Nissan




On July 7, 2017 at 11:05 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:



But we in the US won't get it anyway

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2017/07/mercedes-benz-s-first-pickup-truck-is-debuting-this-month.html?



"The company believes the pickup is too small for American shoppers."

For the same reason that Ford Rangers have ridiculous resale values?

I agree that Mercedes shouldn't go chasing the abandoned market of small 
truck users who are still mourning their rusted out LUVs, but somebody 
ought to be making trucks for those who don't want a SUV but don't need a 
F150 either.
LUVs, Couriers and the like were immensely popular in the 1970s, and the 
reason for their existence hasn't gone away, has it?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Me, too.  I was hoping to not get another blackun after having the '91 
350SDL for many years.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "OK Don" <okd...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch



Rattle can white paint all over it - - I hate black cars.

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Start looking for a white one to swap it for.




On 06/07/2017 2:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


At Lowe's coupla hours ago, outside of Schwartze (my black '07 E320CDI)
was so hot I could not touch it while moving from driver's door to trunk 
to

remove and assemble mobility scooter I keep there.  'Had to ask 2 men
nearby to help me move around left, rear corner of car.  I can usually 
hook
ends my fingers into the space between rear "windshield" and upper, 
forward

edge of the trunk lid to help me negotiate this corner.  'Called another
man nearby to help me retrace the route when I returned to  the car. 
'Have

never seen outside of a car so hot before - not even in Mojave Desert.

Wilton
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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few 
who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, umn-hmmm.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Meade Dillon" <dillonm...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch



I'll give you $500 to take the trouble off your hands.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


At Lowe's coupla hours ago, outside of Schwartze (my black '07 E320CDI)
was so hot I could not touch it while moving from driver's door to trunk 
to

remove and assemble mobility scooter I keep there.  'Had to ask 2 men
nearby to help me move around left, rear corner of car.  I can usually 
hook
ends my fingers into the space between rear "windshield" and upper, 
forward

edge of the trunk lid to help me negotiate this corner.  'Called another
man nearby to help me retrace the route when I returned to  the car. 
'Have

never seen outside of a car so hot before - not even in Mojave Desert.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, that was one of the nice things about the white, '87 300D (146 kmi) a 
damned fool destroyed for in Apr '16.


Wilton

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To: "WILTON via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Too hot to touch



Start looking for a white one to swap it for.



On 06/07/2017 2:32 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
At Lowe's coupla hours ago, outside of Schwartze (my black '07 E320CDI) 
was so hot I could not touch it while moving from driver's door to trunk 
to remove and assemble mobility scooter I keep there.  'Had to ask 2 men 
nearby to help me move around left, rear corner of car.  I can usually 
hook ends my fingers into the space between rear "windshield" and upper, 
forward edge of the trunk lid to help me negotiate this corner.  'Called 
another man nearby to help me retrace the route when I returned to  the 
car.  'Have never seen outside of a car so hot before - not even in 
Mojave Desert.


Wilton
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[MBZ] Too hot to touch

[WILTON via Mercedes]

At Lowe's coupla hours ago, outside of Schwartze (my black '07 E320CDI) was so 
hot I could not touch it while moving from driver's door to trunk to remove and 
assemble mobility scooter I keep there.  'Had to ask 2 men nearby to help me 
move around left, rear corner of car.  I can usually hook ends my fingers into 
the space between rear "windshield" and upper, forward edge of the trunk lid to 
help me negotiate this corner.  'Called another man nearby to help me retrace 
the route when I returned to  the car.  'Have never seen outside of a car so 
hot before - not even in Mojave Desert.

Wilton
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