Re: [MBZ] W124 delivery valve leak

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Thanks good to hear.

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> On Feb 28, 2024, at 9:47 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> it seems like the job can be done with the manifold in place, but obviously 
>> with more difficulty.
> 
> It can.  My son did this (under my supervision) on the 190D's OM602.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 delivery valve leak

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Well thanks for looking. I just ordered a set of the viton o-rings from some 
fuel injection shop in the UK. I’m thinking about ordering the McMaster Carr 
ones as well to see if they are indeed the same size since they sell them in 
bulk. I ordered the special Hazet tool last night! 
Yes, I definitely should have replaced those when I did the glow plugs. It was 
strongly suggested that I do, but I didn’t! I just wanted to get the car back 
on the road at a time! Anyway, it seems like the job can be done with the 
manifold in place, but obviously with more difficulty.

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> On Feb 28, 2024, at 8:58 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Dang, it would appear I did not order those o-rings from McMaster-Carr. I 
> was hoping I did and I still had a big bag of them on the shelf so I could 
> give them to you and get them out of my garage...
> 
> I remember doing the job on my '84 190D after my mechanic had screwed it up 
> on my '85 190D. It was pretty easy, I went slow and all was well.
> 
> IIRC Fred has the proper socket for the job.
> 
> I'm thinking this is the kind of job I'd do in conjunction with glow plugs, 
> you've already had to take the intake manifold off, ought to get a two for 
> one...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 06:01:01 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The 1990 300D 2.5T has a pretty bad leak at the number 4 delivery valve. I 
> use biodiesel extensively during the warmer months so I want to replace the o 
> ring with viton. The ones that Fcp euro and autohausaz sell are not marketed 
> as viton. Does anyone know if they are viton, and if not, where I can get 
> viton?  There is supposedly a McMaster Carr product that works according to 
> some random person who commented on a YouTube video but I don’t know how 
> reliable that source is as the product is simply marketed as an viron O-ring 
> with certain dimensions. It does not specify that it can be used on an OM60X 
> injection pump.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 delivery valve leak

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes but I don’t know if any of those are the correct size. 

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> On Feb 27, 2024, at 9:30 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> Harbor Freight sells a viton o-ring assortment. I don't know if they include 
> the right size for that however?
> 
> https://www.harborfreight.com/180-piece-viton-o-ring-kit-67525.html
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024, at 18:51, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yes I remember you saying. Did you source them or your mechanic?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 27, 2024, at 6:45 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I changed fuel lines on that to viton
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024, 6:04 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> Actually it’s the number 5 delivery valve….
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 27, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 1990 300D 2.5T has a pretty bad leak at the number 4 delivery valve. 
>>>>> I use biodiesel extensively during the warmer months so I want to replace 
>>>>> the o ring with viton. The ones that Fcp euro and autohausaz sell are not 
>>>>> marketed as viton. Does anyone know if they are viton, and if not, where 
>>>>> I can get viton?  There is supposedly a McMaster Carr product that works 
>>>>> according to some random person who commented on a YouTube video but I 
>>>>> don’t know how reliable that source is as the product is simply marketed 
>>>>> as an viron O-ring with certain dimensions. It does not specify that it 
>>>>> can be used on an OM60X injection pump.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 delivery valve leak

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes I remember you saying. Did you source them or your mechanic?

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> On Feb 27, 2024, at 6:45 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> 
> I changed fuel lines on that to viton
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2024, 6:04 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Actually it’s the number 5 delivery valve….
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Feb 27, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > The 1990 300D 2.5T has a pretty bad leak at the number 4 delivery valve. 
>> > I use biodiesel extensively during the warmer months so I want to replace 
>> > the o ring with viton. The ones that Fcp euro and autohausaz sell are not 
>> > marketed as viton. Does anyone know if they are viton, and if not, where I 
>> > can get viton?  There is supposedly a McMaster Carr product that works 
>> > according to some random person who commented on a YouTube video but I 
>> > don’t know how reliable that source is as the product is simply marketed 
>> > as an viron O-ring with certain dimensions. It does not specify that it 
>> > can be used on an OM60X injection pump.
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] W124 delivery valve leak

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Actually it’s the number 5 delivery valve….

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> On Feb 27, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The 1990 300D 2.5T has a pretty bad leak at the number 4 delivery valve. I 
> use biodiesel extensively during the warmer months so I want to replace the o 
> ring with viton. The ones that Fcp euro and autohausaz sell are not marketed 
> as viton. Does anyone know if they are viton, and if not, where I can get 
> viton?  There is supposedly a McMaster Carr product that works according to 
> some random person who commented on a YouTube video but I don’t know how 
> reliable that source is as the product is simply marketed as an viron O-ring 
> with certain dimensions. It does not specify that it can be used on an OM60X 
> injection pump.
> 
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[MBZ] W124 delivery valve leak

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

The 1990 300D 2.5T has a pretty bad leak at the number 4 delivery valve. I use 
biodiesel extensively during the warmer months so I want to replace the o ring 
with viton. The ones that Fcp euro and autohausaz sell are not marketed as 
viton. Does anyone know if they are viton, and if not, where I can get viton?  
There is supposedly a McMaster Carr product that works according to some random 
person who commented on a YouTube video but I don’t know how reliable that 
source is as the product is simply marketed as an viron O-ring with certain 
dimensions. It does not specify that it can be used on an OM60X injection pump.

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Re: [MBZ] TIG welding exhaust pieces.

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Thanks! I don’t really know how to stick weld. Tried it once in college in some 
not for credit welding class (a friend set up the class) in the school’s 
machine shop. Snotty elite small liberal arts colleges don’t respect this kind 
of thing!

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> On Feb 4, 2024, at 9:45 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice work!
> 
> I used to toy with 1/4” sticks, 1/4” steel plate, and Miller 400A “buzz box” 
> when I was in tech school and working for the welding/generator guy. He 
> bought them by the truckload used from Chicago Bridge and Iron. My job after 
> tech school was typically rebuilding these things, which were the height of 
> simplicity. Usually, the issue was with rheostats and the occasional switch. 
> Fix the offending part, fire it up, make a couple of passes on a piece of 
> steel plate, and we’re good. Beat out any really offensive dings in the cover 
> and take it to the paint booth to get a coat of Miller blue and afterward a 
> new faceplate.
> 
> The big stuff is pretty easy to make a puddle with and keep things moving. I 
> never did much if anything with TIG or MIG. Our fabricating guy used those.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Feb 3, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Well here it is welded into the car. I “cheated” and MIG welded it to the 
> existing exhaust. No way I could TIG weld into the dirty old pipe. TIG needs 
> extreme cleanliness to work! Plus TIG needs perfect fitment which I didn’t 
> have the patience to do, MIG is way more forgiving.
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>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 7:38 PM, dan penoff.com<http://penoff.com/> via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> That *and* when they’re not in the car, too!
>> 
>> < grin >
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> TIG welding exhaust pipes is so much nicer than MIG welding. No grinding 
>> necessary! This is a section of front pipe for the 300D 2.5.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] TIG welding exhaust pieces.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

You should write a text book! 

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> On Feb 3, 2024, at 2:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> A good weld requires good [read that perfect] heat control at the weld
> puddle. Old Miller rigs only used solid copper windings in the transformers
> which resulted in good stable power supply at the weld point, whether it
> was stick weld or tig weld, or mig weld.
> New Miller welders no longer use the solid copper windings [trying to
> compete with the cheap welder competition most likely] and thus do not
> yield as stable an arc heat at weld point. [still better than the
> "chineseium" competition IMHO but not like the older rigs].
> Next on that list is "duty cycle" .. which translates to "how long can the
> transformers hold a stable arc power supply before it starts to degrade?"
> Again... older still remains better IF it has well built copper windings..
> Next, enter coolant at the torch for TIG.. "Keep thy tungsten cool" is the
> rule, for extended run time and extended duty cycle.
> Next, enter pre and post argon lead and lag time, which keeps the weld
> envelope protected from contamination. Let the argon flow over the fresh
> weld as it cools to keep the hot weld puddle from reacting to what would be
> around it without the shield gas protection.
> Next, now that you have good equipment, is practice.. one trick I was
> taught was with a blank sheet of paper with a line drawn across it, and a
> lead pencil... The line represents your weld path.. the lead pencil
> represents your weld torch. You then practice drawing uniform circles down
> the entire line which represents the small hand movements while holding the
> TIG torch and running a weld to make "dimes" ... If you want to practice
> larger multi pass welds, draw two lines outside the center line, and "make
> dimes between them" , for a 3 pass weld, or more.
> Once you get the hand eye coordination skills, and truly know the machine
> you are running.. you will be producing welds good enough to be proud of
> them..
> Good luck.. and practice, practice, practice..
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 6:50 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> An old, circa 1990 Miller Syncrowave 250 with water cooler, CK size 20
>> torch with 3/32 2% lanthanated tungsten electrode.
>> 
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>>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:30:27 -0500 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> TIG welding exhaust pipes is so much nicer than MIG welding. No
>>>> grinding necessary! This is a section of front pipe for the 300D 2.5.
>>> 
>>> What kind of equipment were you using?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] TIG welding exhaust pieces.

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Well here it is welded into the car. I “cheated” and MIG welded it to the 
existing exhaust. No way I could TIG weld into the dirty old pipe. TIG needs 
extreme cleanliness to work! Plus TIG needs perfect fitment which I didn’t have 
the patience to do, MIG is way more forgiving. 
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> On Feb 2, 2024, at 7:38 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That *and* when they’re not in the car, too!
> 
> < grin >
> 
> -D
> 
> On Feb 2, 2024, at 7:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> TIG welding exhaust pipes is so much nicer than MIG welding. No grinding 
> necessary! This is a section of front pipe for the 300D 2.5.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] TIG welding exhaust pieces.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

An old, circa 1990 Miller Syncrowave 250 with water cooler, CK size 20 torch 
with 3/32 2% lanthanated tungsten electrode. 

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> On Feb 2, 2024, at 10:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:30:27 -0500 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> TIG welding exhaust pipes is so much nicer than MIG welding. No
>> grinding necessary! This is a section of front pipe for the 300D 2.5. 
> 
> What kind of equipment were you using?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] BlueTecs

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Seems like OM615, 616, 617, 601, 602, 603 and 606 are the way to go…..

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> On Dec 17, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The OM251 has the timing chain at the rear. I have heard they have a problem 
> stretching and breaking.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oil cooler issues have never arisen in either my E250 or GLK 250.  This is
>> only a problem in the 6 cylinder models, e.g. ML 350 Bluetec..
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 10:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree, an older mechanical diesel is still desirable but the newer ones
>>> with DEF and emissions crap and computers required to run them I would
>>> avoid. They are really only suitable for drivers who need to make frequent
>>> long highway trips. If you're driving infrequently and/or on mostly short
>>> errands they are the wrong choice.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 16, 2023, at 17:36, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
 Or simply stick with a gasser.
 
 I mean really is there the old school advantages to having a diesel any
 more, especially it you look at things like oil cooler seals and DEF
 crapola?
 
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> 
> Forgot to mention, stick to pre 2009 e class or pre 2008 ML/GL to
>>> avoid DEF.
> 
> 
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>> On Dec 16, 2023, at 1:30 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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>> 
>> There is a metric crap load of BlueTecs for sale out here right now,
>>> many of them reasonably priced.
>> Steer clear?
>> I watched a video from Hoovie’s friend, The Wizard. He  maintains,
>>> that among Mercedes SUVs, your best choice it’s a 2012 ML 350.
>> The search for a replacement for my pick up is going to be deliberate.
>>> I’m not entirely convinced that I need a pick up truck, especially if I get
>>> some type of an M class with a hitch you can always borrow or rent a
>>> trailer.
>> 
>> Here we go.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Your New Car is a “Privacy Nightmare”

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Right and my stupid iPhone.

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> On Dec 14, 2023, at 3:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Exactly. Except for all the cameras watching everything 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Dec 14, 2023, at 3:07 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Driving a W123 and a W124 I don’t have anything to worry about.
>> 
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>>>> On Dec 14, 2023, at 2:56 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> About 25yr ago at a conference Scott McNealy (then head of Sun 
>>> Microsystems) pronounced in a speech that “there is no privacy anymore” 
>>> then proceeded to explain why and was very persuasive. This caused a 
>>> considerable discussion but eventually most people came around to his view.
>>> 
>>> A couple years before that I had a conversation with a friend who was 
>>> deeply involved with cryptology in a fairly elevated role for A Government 
>>> Agency. He explained the same thing, that there is no such thing as 
>>> privacy. Security was a different issue, and it might be somewhat possible 
>>> to have your information “secure” but he strongly hinted that even this was 
>>> a fantasy. Given his work in that regard I believed him.
>>> 
>>> So I pretty much quit worrying about it as there isn’t a lot you can do 
>>> about it. You can take some basic precautions but if someone/gummint wants 
>>> to get your info they will get it.
>>> 
>>> YMMV
>>> 
>>> --FT
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>>>>> On Dec 14, 2023, at 2:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There really is no privacy anymore.
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Re: [MBZ] Your New Car is a “Privacy Nightmare”

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Driving a W123 and a W124 I don’t have anything to worry about.

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> 
> About 25yr ago at a conference Scott McNealy (then head of Sun Microsystems) 
> pronounced in a speech that “there is no privacy anymore” then proceeded to 
> explain why and was very persuasive. This caused a considerable discussion 
> but eventually most people came around to his view. 
> 
> A couple years before that I had a conversation with a friend who was deeply 
> involved with cryptology in a fairly elevated role for A Government Agency. 
> He explained the same thing, that there is no such thing as privacy. Security 
> was a different issue, and it might be somewhat possible to have your 
> information “secure” but he strongly hinted that even this was a fantasy. 
> Given his work in that regard I believed him. 
> 
> So I pretty much quit worrying about it as there isn’t a lot you can do about 
> it. You can take some basic precautions but if someone/gummint wants to get 
> your info they will get it. 
> 
> YMMV 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad fuel leak.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I’m sure it is!

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> On Dec 10, 2023, at 5:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s child’s play compared to pulling a 642 intake. 
> 
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>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 3:43 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Great news! So hopefully pulling the intake manifold wasn’t as bad as 
>> originally thought? I think I did one of these a while back, and while 
>> time-consuming, it wasn’t difficult.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 4:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks to Fred, I got the car fixed. The line was sheared right under the 
>>> flare nut. Fred gave me a new line and clips and other related goodies! Now 
>>> I can head back to Bawstun.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 9:13 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Fred. I would be interested actually! I’ll let you know tomorrow 
>>>> once I confirm that the line is bad.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dimitri.
>>>>> If you need a #4 injection tube, I have one from a 6 cylinder set. Pro 
>>>>> bono.
>>>>> Also, There are a few plastic clips too.
>>>>> Lemmee know.
>>>>> Fred.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 7:32 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I removed the manifold a couple of years ago to replace glow plugs and it
>>>>>> was not a fun job!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 7:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Almost certainly a cracked line. Not a terrible job but IIRC the 
>>>>>>>> intake
>>>>>> manifold has to come off.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It kinda doesn't matter where it cracked, if its under the nut the line
>>>>>> still has to be replaced, I seem to remember its just a flare...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Curt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 04:20:32 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
>>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I was driving the 90 300D 2.5 up to Maine from Boston today and noticed
>>>>>> a loss of power. I pulled over, opened the hood and noticed a very large
>>>>>> leak at the nut where the fuel line enters the #4 injector. I tightened 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> nut but that did not help at all. I took a chance and drove the car the
>>>>>> remaining 45 or so miles to my house knowing that diesel isn’t that
>>>>>> flammable as compared with gasoline. Before I start digging into this, 
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> this seem like a cracked fuel line? I’m thinking it might be cracked near
>>>>>> the fitting where it joins with the injector. Anyone see this before in
>>>>>> that location?
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad fuel leak.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I was able to do it without pulling the intake manifold!

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> On Dec 10, 2023, at 4:43 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Great news! So hopefully pulling the intake manifold wasn’t as bad as 
> originally thought? I think I did one of these a while back, and while 
> time-consuming, it wasn’t difficult.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2023, at 4:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks to Fred, I got the car fixed. The line was sheared right under the 
>> flare nut. Fred gave me a new line and clips and other related goodies! Now 
>> I can head back to Bawstun.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 9:13 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Fred. I would be interested actually! I’ll let you know tomorrow 
>>> once I confirm that the line is bad.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dimitri.
>>>> If you need a #4 injection tube, I have one from a 6 cylinder set. Pro 
>>>> bono.
>>>> Also, There are a few plastic clips too.
>>>> Lemmee know.
>>>> Fred.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 7:32 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I removed the manifold a couple of years ago to replace glow plugs and it
>>>>> was not a fun job!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 7:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Almost certainly a cracked line. Not a terrible job but IIRC the intake
>>>>> manifold has to come off.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It kinda doesn't matter where it cracked, if its under the nut the line
>>>>> still has to be replaced, I seem to remember its just a flare...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Curt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 04:20:32 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
>>>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was driving the 90 300D 2.5 up to Maine from Boston today and noticed
>>>>> a loss of power. I pulled over, opened the hood and noticed a very large
>>>>> leak at the nut where the fuel line enters the #4 injector. I tightened 
>>>>> the
>>>>> nut but that did not help at all. I took a chance and drove the car the
>>>>> remaining 45 or so miles to my house knowing that diesel isn’t that
>>>>> flammable as compared with gasoline. Before I start digging into this, 
>>>>> does
>>>>> this seem like a cracked fuel line? I’m thinking it might be cracked near
>>>>> the fitting where it joins with the injector. Anyone see this before in
>>>>> that location?
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad fuel leak.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Thanks to Fred, I got the car fixed. The line was sheared right under the flare 
nut. Fred gave me a new line and clips and other related goodies! Now I can 
head back to Bawstun.

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> On Dec 6, 2023, at 9:13 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Fred. I would be interested actually! I’ll let you know tomorrow once 
> I confirm that the line is bad.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dimitri.
>> If you need a #4 injection tube, I have one from a 6 cylinder set. Pro bono.
>> Also, There are a few plastic clips too.
>> Lemmee know.
>> Fred.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 7:32 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I removed the manifold a couple of years ago to replace glow plugs and it
>>> was not a fun job!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 7:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Almost certainly a cracked line. Not a terrible job but IIRC the intake
>>> manifold has to come off.
>>>> 
>>>> It kinda doesn't matter where it cracked, if its under the nut the line
>>> still has to be replaced, I seem to remember its just a flare...
>>>> 
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 04:20:32 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I was driving the 90 300D 2.5 up to Maine from Boston today and noticed
>>> a loss of power. I pulled over, opened the hood and noticed a very large
>>> leak at the nut where the fuel line enters the #4 injector. I tightened the
>>> nut but that did not help at all. I took a chance and drove the car the
>>> remaining 45 or so miles to my house knowing that diesel isn’t that
>>> flammable as compared with gasoline. Before I start digging into this, does
>>> this seem like a cracked fuel line? I’m thinking it might be cracked near
>>> the fitting where it joins with the injector. Anyone see this before in
>>> that location?
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D not half bad

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Sure. Floors should be checked but overall it looks solid.

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> On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Aren't you concerned about the rust and missing metal around the jack point 
> spreading to the floors?
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 9:48 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Rust looks minimal. Overall not bad. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Some jack point rust but overall looks pretty nice
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D not half bad

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Rust looks minimal. Overall not bad. 

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> On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:24 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> Some jack point rust but overall looks pretty nice
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad fuel leak.

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Thanks Fred. I would be interested actually! I’ll let you know tomorrow once I 
confirm that the line is bad.

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> On Dec 6, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dimitri.
> If you need a #4 injection tube, I have one from a 6 cylinder set. Pro bono.
> Also, There are a few plastic clips too.
> Lemmee know.
> Fred.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 7:32 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I removed the manifold a couple of years ago to replace glow plugs and it
>> was not a fun job!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 7:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Almost certainly a cracked line. Not a terrible job but IIRC the intake
>> manifold has to come off.
>>> 
>>> It kinda doesn't matter where it cracked, if its under the nut the line
>> still has to be replaced, I seem to remember its just a flare...
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 04:20:32 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was driving the 90 300D 2.5 up to Maine from Boston today and noticed
>> a loss of power. I pulled over, opened the hood and noticed a very large
>> leak at the nut where the fuel line enters the #4 injector. I tightened the
>> nut but that did not help at all. I took a chance and drove the car the
>> remaining 45 or so miles to my house knowing that diesel isn’t that
>> flammable as compared with gasoline. Before I start digging into this, does
>> this seem like a cracked fuel line? I’m thinking it might be cracked near
>> the fitting where it joins with the injector. Anyone see this before in
>> that location?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad fuel leak.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I removed the manifold a couple of years ago to replace glow plugs and it was 
not a fun job!

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> On Dec 6, 2023, at 7:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Almost certainly a cracked line. Not a terrible job but IIRC the intake 
> manifold has to come off.
> 
> It kinda doesn't matter where it cracked, if its under the nut the line still 
> has to be replaced, I seem to remember its just a flare...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 04:20:32 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was driving the 90 300D 2.5 up to Maine from Boston today and noticed a 
> loss of power. I pulled over, opened the hood and noticed a very large leak 
> at the nut where the fuel line enters the #4 injector. I tightened the nut 
> but that did not help at all. I took a chance and drove the car the remaining 
> 45 or so miles to my house knowing that diesel isn’t that flammable as 
> compared with gasoline. Before I start digging into this, does this seem like 
> a cracked fuel line? I’m thinking it might be cracked near the fitting where 
> it joins with the injector. Anyone see this before in that location?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad fuel leak.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Ok thank you. I’ll remove the nut tomorrow to confirm. Do you know if I have to 
remove the intake manifold in order to access it? That would not be fun.

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> On Dec 6, 2023, at 5:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You have a line that has cracked right under the nut. This usually happens 
> when the line clips are missing. 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Dec 6, 2023, at 3:20 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I was driving the 90 300D 2.5 up to Maine from Boston today and noticed a 
>> loss of power. I pulled over, opened the hood and noticed a very large leak 
>> at the nut where the fuel line enters the #4 injector. I tightened the nut 
>> but that did not help at all. I took a chance and drove the car the 
>> remaining 45 or so miles to my house knowing that diesel isn’t that 
>> flammable as compared with gasoline. Before I start digging into this, does 
>> this seem like a cracked fuel line? I’m thinking it might be cracked near 
>> the fitting where it joins with the injector. Anyone see this before in that 
>> location?
>> 
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[MBZ] Bad fuel leak.

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I was driving the 90 300D 2.5 up to Maine from Boston today and noticed a loss 
of power. I pulled over, opened the hood and noticed a very large leak at the 
nut where the fuel line enters the #4 injector. I tightened the nut but that 
did not help at all. I took a chance and drove the car the remaining 45 or so 
miles to my house knowing that diesel isn’t that flammable as compared with 
gasoline. Before I start digging into this, does this seem like a cracked fuel 
line? I’m thinking it might be cracked near the fitting where it joins with the 
injector. Anyone see this before in that location?

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Re: [MBZ] 1991 300D 200k miles - $2,000

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Those are great cars.

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> On Nov 22, 2023, at 4:27 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> Paint is tired and some minor damage but doesn't look too bad and price 
> isn't too insane.
> 
> Wiper not working is a safety concern are those mono-wipers hard to work on?
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Re: [MBZ] Oh boy I’m seriously thinking about it

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Holy moly!

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Re: [MBZ] W124 OM602 serpentine belt

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Yeah that car has a lot of miles.

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> On Nov 7, 2023, at 4:44 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know I changed the shock absorber once but that could have been a quarter 
> million miles ago.
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>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> So I finally got to replacing the serpentine belt on the 90 300D 2.5Turbo. 
>> The belt broke leaving me stranded a couple of months ago. I attributed it 
>> to the idler pulley being seized but it’s not actually seized. When the belt 
>> shredded apart, bits of it got wedged behind the pulley giving the 
>> impression that it was seized. So my question is what caused the serpentine 
>> belt to fail catastrophically? The belt drive has been making a rattling 
>> noise for a few years now so I assumed it was the pulley but it doesn’t seem 
>> to be bad. I have a new one on hand so I will replace it anyway. I’m just 
>> worried that there is some other problem.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 OM602 serpentine belt

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Yes it also has a spring. It seems ok so I didn’t order one.

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> On Nov 7, 2023, at 5:11 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I did the spring on mine as well, as I think it had cracked or 
> broken. Didn’t these have a big metal spring, too?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2023, at 2:44 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I know I changed the shock absorber once but that could have been a quarter
>> million miles ago.
>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 1:37 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I finally got to replacing the serpentine belt on the 90 300D 2.5Turbo.
>>> The belt broke leaving me stranded a couple of months ago. I attributed it
>>> to the idler pulley being seized but it’s not actually seized. When the
>>> belt shredded apart, bits of it got wedged behind the pulley giving the
>>> impression that it was seized. So my question is what caused the serpentine
>>> belt to fail catastrophically? The belt drive has been making a rattling
>>> noise for a few years now so I assumed it was the pulley but it doesn’t
>>> seem to be bad. I have a new one on hand so I will replace it anyway. I’m
>>> just worried that there is some other problem.
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Re: [MBZ] W124 OM602 serpentine belt

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Ok thank you. I will replace everything then!

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> On Nov 7, 2023, at 3:39 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 15:06:39 -0500 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Ok I will replace the shock absorber. Should I also replace the
>> tensioner arm? 
> 
> If the bearing is shot (which it likely will be with a dead shock
> absorber), you should replace it.
> 
> If you are replacing the pulley and the shock, you might as well go ahead
> and replace the arm as well. 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 OM602 serpentine belt

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Ok I will replace the shock absorber. Should I also replace the tensioner arm? 

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> On Nov 7, 2023, at 3:02 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Craig nailed it. Shock absorber is toast. It’s critical in dampening any 
> slop in the belt drive, and if it’s lost it’s “shock” ability, then all sorts 
> of forces start to kick in and bugger up the belt drive.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2023, at 12:41 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 7 Nov 2023 13:36:29 -0500 Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The belt drive has been making a rattling noise for a few years now so
>>> I assumed it was the pulley but it doesn’t seem to be bad. I have a new
>>> one on hand so I will replace it anyway. I’m just worried that there is
>>> some other problem.
>> 
>> There is. You need to replace ths shock absorber.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 OM602 serpentine belt

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OK I did some more digging and it seems like the belt tensioner was loose. It’s 
bolted to the engine block via a 12 mm Allen nut. I tightened it and it’s no 
longer loose. It has a tiny bit of play but I’m not sure what’s normal. 
Question is why did it become loose and should I just replace it? Should I 
replace the shock for a good measure as well?

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> No I don’t. It’s completely destroyed so I can’t check.
> 
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>> On Nov 7, 2023, at 1:40 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you know the source of the belt that broke? Could it have been a 
>> low-quality off brand?
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2023, at 13:36, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>>> So I finally got to replacing the serpentine belt on the 90 300D 
>>> 2.5Turbo. The belt broke leaving me stranded a couple of months ago. I 
>>> attributed it to the idler pulley being seized but it’s not actually 
>>> seized. When the belt shredded apart, bits of it got wedged behind the 
>>> pulley giving the impression that it was seized. So my question is what 
>>> caused the serpentine belt to fail catastrophically? The belt drive has 
>>> been making a rattling noise for a few years now so I assumed it was 
>>> the pulley but it doesn’t seem to be bad. I have a new one on hand so I 
>>> will replace it anyway. I’m just worried that there is some other 
>>> problem.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W124 OM602 serpentine belt

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No I don’t. It’s completely destroyed so I can’t check.

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> On Nov 7, 2023, at 1:40 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
> Do you know the source of the belt that broke? Could it have been a 
> low-quality off brand?
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2023, at 13:36, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> So I finally got to replacing the serpentine belt on the 90 300D 
>> 2.5Turbo. The belt broke leaving me stranded a couple of months ago. I 
>> attributed it to the idler pulley being seized but it’s not actually 
>> seized. When the belt shredded apart, bits of it got wedged behind the 
>> pulley giving the impression that it was seized. So my question is what 
>> caused the serpentine belt to fail catastrophically? The belt drive has 
>> been making a rattling noise for a few years now so I assumed it was 
>> the pulley but it doesn’t seem to be bad. I have a new one on hand so I 
>> will replace it anyway. I’m just worried that there is some other 
>> problem.
>> 
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[MBZ] W124 OM602 serpentine belt

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

So I finally got to replacing the serpentine belt on the 90 300D 2.5Turbo. The 
belt broke leaving me stranded a couple of months ago. I attributed it to the 
idler pulley being seized but it’s not actually seized. When the belt shredded 
apart, bits of it got wedged behind the pulley giving the impression that it 
was seized. So my question is what caused the serpentine belt to fail 
catastrophically? The belt drive has been making a rattling noise for a few 
years now so I assumed it was the pulley but it doesn’t seem to be bad. I have 
a new one on hand so I will replace it anyway. I’m just worried that there is 
some other problem.

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Re: [MBZ] All that work for these 2 little seals

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What are we looking at?

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> 
> What engine/car?
> 
> --FT
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>> On Nov 3, 2023, at 6:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> I thought they had gone to the updated purple seals by 2009?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 220D

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That is a nice one.

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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/636101657835916/
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> Oh my.  Oh my.
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Re: [MBZ] R/E List

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You haven’t been to the Q I’m a few years. H.

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> I’ve met enough people on this list to have been confirmed as a live human 
> being (at least until recently!)
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2023, at 5:42 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 19/09/2023 3:56 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Seems that Kevin Kenner posted a message that I was no longer among the 
>>> living, i.e., that I had passed to another plane. Nothing more, no 
>>> commentary or details.
>>> 
>>> Funny and weird reading about your demise.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>> Well, you know, it is somewhat in doubt. Most of us have never seen you in 
>> person so there is residual doubt as to your existence. I keep reading about 
>> AI. You might be some sort of bot.
>> 
>> Or, maybe a figment of Andrew's imagination!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

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Did someone shoot at them?

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> Solar panels have been bullet proof since July 31, 2016.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:11 PM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:54:29 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> With my solar Giorgio panels and home hook up, this is a no-brainer.
>>> Once I have an EV it won't be reliant on coal to run.
>> 
>> Let us know how your solar panels work out and then how using them to
>> charge your EV works out, please.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What every electric vehicle should have.

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You want to pull your hair out, then get a Mercedes EV. They are overly 
complicated nightmares. Better off with a leaf or a Tesla or even better, keep 
driving your old diesels.

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> The Nissan Leaf is a very simple, practical car. Just like any other car
> except you get about 80 miles on a charge and then have to plug it in. I am
> looking at Mercedes EVS for 2016 or 2017. They remind me of my GLK 250.
> Slightly smaller, but a quite practical SUV. With my solar Giorgio panels
> and home hook up, this is a no-brainer. Once I have an EV it won't be
> reliant on coal to run.
> 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> The sticker on the right side of the trunk lid, that is.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> P.S. When I saw this ahead of me as I was driving home from church
>> on Sunday, I rushed to get my cell phone out and powered up
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>> picture as the traffic lights ahead turned green and the
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

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There is a French guy on YouTube who did a video on it. Doesn’t seem 
particularly difficult.

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> On Sep 7, 2023, at 7:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> Look on a forum like BenzWorld for the procedure if no one else here (Kleb?) 
> weighs in. I’ve done it and don’t recall it being a difficult job, nor were 
> the parts expensive.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 1:14 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So they’re not the same?
>> 
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>>>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah an idler or tensioner pulley munching can do that. Worth replacing 
>>> both in any case just as a regular maintenance item 
>>> 
>>> --FT
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>>> 
>>>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Did it actually break or just come off the pulleys?
>>>> 
>>>> I ask because I’m wondering if the idler pulley needs to be replaced.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast 
>>>>> back home mostly downhill with some short spurts where I drove the car 
>>>>> until it started getting hot. 
>>>>> Anyway, I might tackle it on my own as I did the alternator on that car 
>>>>> when I first got it and obviously the serpentine belt had to come off for 
>>>>> that. Question is why did it fail? It looks like I might not be able to 
>>>>> bring it to the Q dammit.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

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So they’re not the same?

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> Yeah an idler or tensioner pulley munching can do that. Worth replacing both 
> in any case just as a regular maintenance item 
> 
> --FT
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>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Did it actually break or just come off the pulleys?
>> 
>> I ask because I’m wondering if the idler pulley needs to be replaced.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast 
>>> back home mostly downhill with some short spurts where I drove the car 
>>> until it started getting hot. 
>>> Anyway, I might tackle it on my own as I did the alternator on that car 
>>> when I first got it and obviously the serpentine belt had to come off for 
>>> that. Question is why did it fail? It looks like I might not be able to 
>>> bring it to the Q dammit.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

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Not sure.

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> On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:54 AM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
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> 
> oh no. any misaligned or burrs on pulleys?
> 
>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 11:40 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast 
>> back home mostly downhill with some short spurts where I drove the car until 
>> it started getting hot. 
>> Anyway, I might tackle it on my own as I did the alternator on that car when 
>> I first got it and obviously the serpentine belt had to come off for that. 
>> Question is why did it fail? It looks like I might not be able to bring it 
>> to the Q dammit.
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

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The belt is mince meat! The idler pulley (or tensioner pulley, are they the 
same?) is very stiff. I bet that’s what caused the belt to disintegrate. Is 
this easy to replace?

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> On Sep 7, 2023, at 11:46 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did it actually break or just come off the pulleys?
> 
> I ask because I’m wondering if the idler pulley needs to be replaced.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2023, at 8:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast 
>> back home mostly downhill with some short spurts where I drove the car until 
>> it started getting hot. 
>> Anyway, I might tackle it on my own as I did the alternator on that car when 
>> I first got it and obviously the serpentine belt had to come off for that. 
>> Question is why did it fail? It looks like I might not be able to bring it 
>> to the Q dammit.
>> 
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[MBZ] 300D 2.5T serpentine belt

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The serpentine belt just broke a mile or so from home. I managed to coast back 
home mostly downhill with some short spurts where I drove the car until it 
started getting hot. 
Anyway, I might tackle it on my own as I did the alternator on that car when I 
first got it and obviously the serpentine belt had to come off for that. 
Question is why did it fail? It looks like I might not be able to bring it to 
the Q dammit.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Tires

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Michelin Defender in stock size. Your best bet. 

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> wrote:
> 
> I watched a couple of Motorweek Retro Reviews (which I really like) and the 
> were reviewing the 124. The videos I watched were from 86, 90 and 92. In 
> them, Motorweek loved the 124, but was critical of the tires saying they were 
> too narrow and too soft.  
> 
> I’m wondering if I could upsize the tires on my 90 300E without changing the 
> wheels.  I don’t need or want to put stupid-big wheels or tires on it. But, 
> maybe just a slight increase. The current size is 195/65/15.  I tried a few 
> online calculators and I think the 6.5J wheel will allow a tire up to 215. 
> 
> I found some 205/65/15 that would likely work. According to the calculators, 
> it’s a pretty small difference. 
> 
> Am I wasting my time? Is that small of an increase going to make any 
> difference?   I don’t drive aggressively.  My one issue with the current 
> tires is they are Michelin Premiere a/s which are good tires but they tend to 
> wear quickly.  I have had them on other vehicles and they were comfortable 
> and quiet, but the lifetime is about half of many other Michelin. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Unclog Washer

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Well it certainly comes in handy!

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> 
> 
> I think I bought that holder but don't recall for sure.probably will know 
> when I see it again.
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023, 11:30 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I have a black plastic cup holder thing that fits in the center console. It 
>> came with the car. Dwight had that car for most of its later years so maybe 
>> he installed it?
>> 
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>> > On Sep 5, 2023, at 8:27 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Forgot about the cupholder. I know there are numerous aftermarket 
>> > solutions, but I made one out of wood once that was tall enough to 
>> > restrain more “modern” cups. That’s what I would be looking for. That or 
>> > you can just pull back the accordion cover and stick your cup/bottle, 
>> > whatever in it, and hope it doesn’t tip over. And for goodness sake, 
>> > please, please don’t buy one of those square things that people screw into 
>> > the door cards. Arrgh!!!
>> > 
>> > I’ll be interested to see what you can find online. I haven’t looked for 
>> > anything like this in a while, hopefully, there are improvements.
>> > 
>> > -D
>> > 
>> >> On Sep 5, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Is there a specific method for unclogging the windshield washer?  Mine 
>> >> just sort of leaked out on one side and the other was a super thin spray 
>> >> on the other. 
>> >> 
>> >> I have gotten spoiled by modern cars.  I need a cup holder.  I have seen 
>> >> a few on eBay that are plastic that fit in the center console. Anybody 
>> >> used one of those? 
>> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] Unclog Washer

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I have a black plastic cup holder thing that fits in the center console. It 
came with the car. Dwight had that car for most of its later years so maybe he 
installed it?

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> 
> Forgot about the cupholder. I know there are numerous aftermarket solutions, 
> but I made one out of wood once that was tall enough to restrain more 
> “modern” cups. That’s what I would be looking for. That or you can just pull 
> back the accordion cover and stick your cup/bottle, whatever in it, and hope 
> it doesn’t tip over. And for goodness sake, please, please don’t buy one of 
> those square things that people screw into the door cards. Arrgh!!!
> 
> I’ll be interested to see what you can find online. I haven’t looked for 
> anything like this in a while, hopefully, there are improvements.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2023, at 5:19 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a specific method for unclogging the windshield washer?  Mine just 
>> sort of leaked out on one side and the other was a super thin spray on the 
>> other. 
>> 
>> I have gotten spoiled by modern cars.  I need a cup holder.  I have seen a 
>> few on eBay that are plastic that fit in the center console. Anybody used 
>> one of those? 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It arrived!

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I have a container of Auto Glym. I have arrived!

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> On Sep 5, 2023, at 4:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Zymol ownership is a boost to one's self esteem.  You have arrived if you
> have a bottle in the garage.
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 3:01 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Zymöl is good stuff if you’re a carnauba maniac, but like anything, more
>> is not necessarily better. If you’re all about carnauba, there are a lot of
>> less expensive products out there with as much or more in it as Zymöl.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Zymol used to be the gold standard.  Made entirely from edible
>> ingredients, e.g. coconut.  Scented with distinct floral notes.  Your car
>> will reward you with Superior Performance after a Zymol massage.
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 2:39 PM dan penoff.com via
>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> Heh. I found years ago that amongst the car community, wax preferences
>> were like oil discussions. I always got a kick out of the really expensive
>> carnauba-based wax that came in a glass crystal jar. Someone tell me how
>> much of the cost was tied up in the container….
>> 
>> My go-to wax for a number of years has been this:
>> 
>> <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Collinite-845-Insulator-Wax-Fluid_Ounces/dp/B000JK2D06/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=COLLINITE=1693939007=8-6
>>> 
>> 
>> [41QwAaRaY6L._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFIVE,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA3%2C617,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>> Collinite No. 845 Insulator Wax, 16 Fl Oz - 1 Pack<
>> https://www.amazon.com/Collinite-845-Insulator-Wax-Fluid_Ounces/dp/B000JK2D06/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=COLLINITE=1693939007=8-6
>>> 
>> amazon.com<
>> https://www.amazon.com/Collinite-845-Insulator-Wax-Fluid_Ounces/dp/B000JK2D06/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=COLLINITE=1693939007=8-6
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2023, at 11:25 AM, Donald Snook > dhsn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m looking forward to some detailing! The seller was telling me about
>> some wax he really liked from Auto Geek.  I ordered some. It’s is part of
>> the Wolfgang Concourse series.  I’ve never heard of it, but worth a shot.
>> The car doesn’t need much, but it’s dirty from the shipping.
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2023, at 11:33 AM, dan penoff.com <
>> d...@penoff.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Let the Martha’ing begin!
>> 
>> Congrats!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Sep 5, 2023, at 6:11 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My new (to me) 124 arrived!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] G500 tail light issues

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That is my fear.

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> On Sep 3, 2023, at 9:47 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> Most likely a bad SAM would be my first guess. Can’t tell without SDS/DAS.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The tail lights, right turn signal, right brake light and reverse light do 
>> no work on my mom’s 2005 G500. The bulbs are fine as are the contacts in the 
>> housing- I know because I replaced some bulbs even though they looked fine 
>> and because the bulb for the right turn signal actually works when the 
>> flashers are operated. If you check the fuses for these items it says that 
>> they are “elektronic” - so there is no dedicated fuse to check or replace. 
>> Not sure where to go from here.
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[MBZ] G500 tail light issues

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The tail lights, right turn signal, right brake light and reverse light do no 
work on my mom’s 2005 G500. The bulbs are fine as are the contacts in the 
housing- I know because I replaced some bulbs even though they looked fine and 
because the bulb for the right turn signal actually works when the flashers are 
operated. If you check the fuses for these items it says that they are 
“elektronic” - so there is no dedicated fuse to check or replace. Not sure 
where to go from here.

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Re: [MBZ] 1960 (?) 300SL - been in shed for 30 years - $26,500

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A 300SL in need of total restoration is 1 million.

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> $50k? You haven’t seen what lesser (concours-quality) 300SL “restorations” 
> cost, have you? Try $10x that, easy.
> 
> Now if it was really a 190SL, which it wasn’t, $50k might do a pretty decent 
> job.
> 
> -D 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That will probably sell for close to that. If somebody had $50k to put into 
>> it, they could double their money. 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 
>> 
 On Aug 28, 2023, at 6:26 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Rough but looks pretty much complete.
>>> 
>>> https://richmondin.craigslist.org/cto/d/richmond-mercedes/7659962784.html
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Re: [MBZ] Congrats, Jaime!

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300SD?

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> On Aug 26, 2023, at 1:21 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Wow!  A star in our midst.
> 
> Perhaps I should insure my pristine 300SD through Hagerty.  Any thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 10:28 AM Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 12:42:51 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Jaime gets some well-deserved recognition:
>>> 
>>> 
>> https://www.hagerty.com/media/people/inside-man-from-mercedes-engineer-to-classics-restorer/
>>> 
>>> -D
>> 
>> Yes, congratulations!
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ

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Well you can stop theorizing and actually go!

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> On Aug 26, 2023, at 7:25 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> I theory I could go, I didn’t realize it was coming up that quick though. 
> Let me think on it. 
> 
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>>> On Aug 26, 2023, at 6:03 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Sept 9. can you be there? love to have you
>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 26, 2023, 6:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>>> When is it?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I accidentally won this auction for $200

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Good deal!

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> https://www.copart.com/lot/59583673
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

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It imploded and sank down to the bottom of the silent sea.

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> And what happened to the Fisker Ocean that you reserved?
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, at 20:17, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>>> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the EV
>>> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
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>> are wearing."
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] “I WON’T BUY AN EV….”

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Even if you run the piece of crap on 100% renewable energy, it’s a disposable 
piece of crap. Being a disposable piece of crap, it has an inherently gigantic 
carbon footprint so it’s still not green- well unless it’s a bilious turd.

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> If your reason for driving an EV is you want to save the world, then you 
> better be 100% sure you are charging it with solar, wind, or nuclear 
> generated electricity or you are a hypocrite . 
> 
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>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:30 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> But the Baker Electric cars never made it
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 10:13 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>>> Agreed, they all laughed at early tractor owners, who farms with horses
>>> now?
>>> 
>>> Do any of you watch "Vintage Wheels" on YouTube? He's putting 900hp of
>>> Tesla (well, 2x 450hp) motors into a Ford Escape. This is a test bed before
>>> he puts that into a bus.
>>> 
>>> Another interesting one to watch is "Edison Motors" who's tagline is
>>> "Stealing all of Tesla's good ideas." They're making electric and hybrid
>>> logging trucks. They're a bunch of loggers who decided to make new trucks
>>> and retrofit existing trucks. They make interesting choices.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:16:00 PM EDT, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Folks
>>> 
>>> I won’t buy an ev …. How short sighted
>>> 
>>> I won’t drive a horseless carriage … what 1910
>>> 
>>> I won’t fly in a plane …. 1930?
>>> 
>>> I won’t have an automatic transmission?? What year as that
>>> 
>>> I won’t have a cell phone … smart phone …. Computer etc
>>> 
>>> All of these things are just tools
>>> 
>>> As I work on my new to me 1999 diesel Chevrolet  (Isuzu NPR)  I dream of
>>> buying a $1000 say 2012 Leaf …. I’ll bet you can pull the battery and
>>> identify and replace weak cells and bring it back to some range …. I think
>>> one would be fun to play with
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] “I WON’T BUY AN EV….”

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Even so, you’ll still have DB stamped on your forehead.

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 10:51 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If your reason for driving an EV is you want to save the world, then you 
> better be 100% sure you are charging it with solar, wind, or nuclear 
> generated electricity or you are a hypocrite . 
> 
> AZBob
> 
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> 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:30 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> But the Baker Electric cars never made it
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 10:13 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agreed, they all laughed at early tractor owners, who farms with horses
>>> now?
>>> 
>>> Do any of you watch "Vintage Wheels" on YouTube? He's putting 900hp of
>>> Tesla (well, 2x 450hp) motors into a Ford Escape. This is a test bed before
>>> he puts that into a bus.
>>> 
>>> Another interesting one to watch is "Edison Motors" who's tagline is
>>> "Stealing all of Tesla's good ideas." They're making electric and hybrid
>>> logging trucks. They're a bunch of loggers who decided to make new trucks
>>> and retrofit existing trucks. They make interesting choices.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:16:00 PM EDT, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Folks
>>> 
>>> I won’t buy an ev …. How short sighted
>>> 
>>> I won’t drive a horseless carriage … what 1910
>>> 
>>> I won’t fly in a plane …. 1930?
>>> 
>>> I won’t have an automatic transmission?? What year as that
>>> 
>>> I won’t have a cell phone … smart phone …. Computer etc
>>> 
>>> All of these things are just tools
>>> 
>>> As I work on my new to me 1999 diesel Chevrolet  (Isuzu NPR)  I dream of
>>> buying a $1000 say 2012 Leaf …. I’ll bet you can pull the battery and
>>> identify and replace weak cells and bring it back to some range …. I think
>>> one would be fun to play with
>>> 
>>> Xx rick
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] “I WON’T BUY AN EV….”

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

And the Facker green ones of today won’t either….

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 10:30 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But the Baker Electric cars never made it
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 10:13 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Agreed, they all laughed at early tractor owners, who farms with horses
>> now?
>> 
>> Do any of you watch "Vintage Wheels" on YouTube? He's putting 900hp of
>> Tesla (well, 2x 450hp) motors into a Ford Escape. This is a test bed before
>> he puts that into a bus.
>> 
>> Another interesting one to watch is "Edison Motors" who's tagline is
>> "Stealing all of Tesla's good ideas." They're making electric and hybrid
>> logging trucks. They're a bunch of loggers who decided to make new trucks
>> and retrofit existing trucks. They make interesting choices.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:16:00 PM EDT, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> I won’t buy an ev …. How short sighted
>> 
>> I won’t drive a horseless carriage … what 1910
>> 
>> I won’t fly in a plane …. 1930?
>> 
>> I won’t have an automatic transmission?? What year as that
>> 
>> I won’t have a cell phone … smart phone …. Computer etc
>> 
>> All of these things are just tools
>> 
>> As I work on my new to me 1999 diesel Chevrolet  (Isuzu NPR)  I dream of
>> buying a $1000 say 2012 Leaf …. I’ll bet you can pull the battery and
>> identify and replace weak cells and bring it back to some range …. I think
>> one would be fun to play with
>> 
>> Xx rick
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I really think you’d enjoy it. 

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 10:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I was planning to be downnacape visiting a friend on Thursday for the 
> following weekend. I’ll have to ponder the logistics of the 9th v that plan. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 6:30 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> yes Sept 9. sure hope you can join us.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 4:36 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Remind me again of if/when there will be a ChowdaQ up nawth.  I'm headed
>>> up to MA mid-nextmonth and was thinking if I was around the region and
>>> the event is going on I could drop in.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] “I WON’T BUY AN EV….”

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

They all laughed at early (ca 1900) electric car owners and we still do. This 
is not new technology, it is repackaged old tech which still has no future. And 
EV drivers still look like douchebags…..

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 10:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Agreed, they all laughed at early tractor owners, who farms with horses now?
> 
> Do any of you watch "Vintage Wheels" on YouTube? He's putting 900hp of Tesla 
> (well, 2x 450hp) motors into a Ford Escape. This is a test bed before he puts 
> that into a bus.
> 
> Another interesting one to watch is "Edison Motors" who's tagline is 
> "Stealing all of Tesla's good ideas." They're making electric and hybrid 
> logging trucks. They're a bunch of loggers who decided to make new trucks and 
> retrofit existing trucks. They make interesting choices.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:16:00 PM EDT, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Folks
> 
> I won’t buy an ev …. How short sighted
> 
> I won’t drive a horseless carriage … what 1910
> 
> I won’t fly in a plane …. 1930?
> 
> I won’t have an automatic transmission?? What year as that
> 
> I won’t have a cell phone … smart phone …. Computer etc
> 
> All of these things are just tools
> 
> As I work on my new to me 1999 diesel Chevrolet  (Isuzu NPR)  I dream of 
> buying a $1000 say 2012 Leaf …. I’ll bet you can pull the battery and 
> identify and replace weak cells and bring it back to some range …. I think 
> one would be fun to play with 
> 
> Xx rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Well it’s August now and I see those signs everywhere, not literally PLM signs 
but you get the idea. Even freaking Bowdoin College is doing it. Such virtue 
signaling bullshit. If you want to protect the bees by letting the weeds grow, 
great but no need to advertise it. 

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 10:13 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> No mow May was kind of funny, we don't really even get dandelions until near 
> the end of May...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 09:25:57 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow and 
> put a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:18 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
>>> 
>>> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the EV
>>> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
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>> 
>> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
>> are wearing."
>> 
>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
>> 
>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Werner
>> Von Braun
>> 
>> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
>> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
>> doing it."
>> -- Richard W. Hamming, The Art of Doing Science and Engineering
>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: E-Golf

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

To keep up with the Jones? The new thing now is to let your weeds grow and put 
a “pollinators lives matter” sign in your yard. 

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> 
> Out of curiosity, why have you decided to dump the GLK250?
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 1:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm looking for an EV to replace the GLK 250, possibly a VW E-Golf.
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience with a diesel/gas VW Golf?  I assume the EV
>> version would have similar issues other than the drive train.
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> 
> "Quality of life is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing you
> are wearing."
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Werner
> Von Braun
> 
> "In science if you know what you are doing you should not be doing it.
> In engineering if you do not know what you are doing you should not be
> doing it."
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Re: [MBZ] “I WON’T BUY AN EV….”

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I WILL EXPLOIT AFRICAN CHILDREN…..CONGO 2010-present.

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 9:16 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> I won’t buy an ev …. How short sighted
> 
> I won’t drive a horseless carriage … what 1910
> 
> I won’t fly in a plane …. 1930?
> 
> I won’t have an automatic transmission?? What year as that
> 
> I won’t have a cell phone … smart phone …. Computer etc
> 
> All of these things are just tools
> 
> As I work on my new to me 1999 diesel Chevrolet  (Isuzu NPR)  I dream of 
> buying a $1000 say 2012 Leaf …. I’ll bet you can pull the battery and 
> identify and replace weak cells and bring it back to some range …. I think 
> one would be fun to play with 
> 
> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yeah me too.

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 6:30 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> yes Sept 9. sure hope you can join us.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023, 4:36 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Remind me again of if/when there will be a ChowdaQ up nawth.  I'm headed
>> up to MA mid-nextmonth and was thinking if I was around the region and
>> the event is going on I could drop in.
>> 
>> --
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Re: [MBZ] What ev to buy

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Exactly. Why would anyone voluntarily buy a disposable fake green piece of shit 
EV? 
My neighbor in Maine bought a leaf this past winter and can’t wait to get rid 
of it. She says it runs out of battery on even short trips. 

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> On Aug 3, 2023, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m not buying any EVs.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2023, at 7:38 PM, RICK HAWKINS via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Folks and Andrew
>> 
>> I would not buy a VW anything
>> 
>> If you want to go cheap, buy a used Nissan leaf … they are really sweet …. I 
>> drove a friends 2012 around Atlanta some .. it was nice …. The newer you 
>> buy, the longer the range
>> 
>> My daughter had two teslas … a used model S and a bought new model 3 …. They 
>> are perfect cars ….The S was leased and they gave it back but they bought 
>> the Model 3 and she now has 80k miles on it …. Other than tires the only 
>> service was a failed 12 volt battery … backup power, I guess and Tesla 
>> covered that
>> 
>> Although I drove air cooled VW for years I wouldn’t go near one of their 
>> modern incarnations although the ID buzz looks cute but not cheap 
>> 
>> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Definitely the “mechanics” at the Mercedes dealerships. I mentioned a while 
back that the dealership claimed that my mother’s G500 needed a new ecu which 
was NLA and they suggested that it get written off as a total loss. Well, I 
took it to an independent shop which spent 5 hours on it and got it running. 
All they did was clean up some relays and fuses. How about that for dealership 
incompetence.

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> On Aug 1, 2023, at 9:55 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> 
> yes including mechanics
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 9:39 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I know. Part of the issue is that the art of plumbing is dying. No skill 
>> involved in pulling a trigger on a crimping machine. Now they need that 
>> expensive Milwaukee tool when they could just use a cheap propane torch and 
>> some solder. Everything has to be over complicated now, including cars. On 
>> every corner you turn, you run into societal degradation….
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use the 
>> > crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick stuff.
>> > 
>> > -D
>> > 
>> >> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with 
>> >> soldered copper. 
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> 
>> >>>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> >>>>  wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite 
>> >>> fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of 
>> >>> kin.
>> >>> 
>> >>> -D
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>>>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>> >>>>>  wrote:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting 
>> >>>>> loose. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Humph.  Never happened with lead pipes...
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> -- Jim
>> >>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing

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I know. Part of the issue is that the art of plumbing is dying. No skill 
involved in pulling a trigger on a crimping machine. Now they need that 
expensive Milwaukee tool when they could just use a cheap propane torch and 
some solder. Everything has to be over complicated now, including cars. On 
every corner you turn, you run into societal degradation….

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> On Aug 1, 2023, at 7:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Actually, a lot of plumbers no longer sweat solder copper. They use the 
> crimp system that Milwaukee and others promote. It’s pretty slick stuff.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>> Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with 
>> soldered copper. 
>> 
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  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite 
>>> fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 
> 
> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting 
> loose. 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate plumbing

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Real men drive old diesel Mercedes and real houses are plumbed with soldered 
copper. 

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> On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a plumber in the family and they’re not keen about the Sharkbite 
> fittings. A proper crimp with PEX or copper and Robert is your next of kin.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> PEX ... (someone slamming a full open valve closed) they are letting loose. 
>> 
>> Humph.  Never happened with lead pipes...
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The cheapening of Mercedes

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Every car has a turbo 4 and the turbo 4 is not a very durable engine it seems.

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> On Jul 29, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Used to be you had 2 brake pad wear sensors per wheel, one for each pad. 
> Later they went with 1 sensor per wheel. On the 210 there is 1 sensor for 
> each front wheel and 1 sensor on one of the back wheels. Now with the 211 I 
> see there is one sensor on the RF wheel and one on the LR wheel. So we went 
> from 8 sensors to 2. This must have saved MB a coupe of dollars per car. It’s 
> actually kind of pathetic how newer model MBs are about the same mechanically 
> as any other car on the road. Nothing makes them special anymore. 
> 
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[MBZ] R12

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Anyone still able to get it? The 85 300D needs a recharge and I cringe at the 
thought of an R134a conversion.

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Re: [MBZ] The CDI let me down

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Ouch. Never a fun day getting stranded. Good luck.

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 3:30 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> After a trip out to the Oklahoma and Texas panhandles, 20 miles from home I 
> got the red battery warning, no AC, and temp rapidly climbing while at 
> highway speed. Pulled into a parking lot, no power steering. Shut car off. 
> Belt loose. Can’t say I wasn’t warned as I thought I have been hearing some 
> faint squeaking from belt when starter cold. I guess there was a problem. I 
> assume either the tensioner or one of the idler pulley let loose. Put in AAA 
> request, been waiting 1.5 hours, according to the map they are sending a 
> driver from an hour and a half away in Arkansas. 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

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I just got it started. It turns out it is an air leak from somewhere. Question 
is where? I don’t really have time to troubleshoot that right now so I’ll just 
let it be and make sure not to let the car sit.

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:10 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That sounds like the classic small air leak in the fuel system, letting it
> drain while sitting. It will run fine as long as it runs every day, and you
> will not likely see fuel dripping. Check every inch (centimeter) of the
> lines from the fuel tank to the injection pump.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 8:37 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Fred. I might take you up on that generous offer. Meanwhile, I’m
>> noticing a few more things. First of all, the lever was in the up position
>> this morning but the car still would not start although it seems like it’s
>> closer to starting. After cranking unsuccessfully, and turning the ignition
>> off, I noticed that the lever was back in the down position and when I
>> would turn the ignition back on and it would pop up and stay up while
>> cranking. Once the ignition was turned off the lever would fall back down.
>> I’m not sure what this means.
>> I haven’t heard anything from my friends and relatives in Greece!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:06 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dimitri, Dwight.
>>> FWIW.
>>> If the lever is down the rack is in the shutoff position and will not
>>> supply fuel at all.
>>> The vacuum shut-off device could be stuck, maybe? (I have a spare).
>>> The pump side plate, when removed, will let you access the rack.
>>> I have an OM602 injection pump with 90k mi. that you may have.
>>> Confused yet?
>>> Fred
>>> p.s. I hope your relatives in Greece are ok and not threatened by the
>>> wildfires.
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 9:52 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> wish I could help you Dimitri but it never got a chance to sit as it
>> was a
>>>> daily driver. worth checking the IP.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023, 9:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo has been sitting for 5 days and now it won’t
>>>>> start. It glows just fine so I think it’s a fuel issue. The injector
>> pump
>>>>> shut off lever is in the depressed position. That doesn’t seem right. I
>>>> can
>>>>> pull it up but it just flops back down. If I hold it up while someone
>>>> else
>>>>> cranks it still won’t start. After many cranking attempts it almost
>>>> started
>>>>> a few times but I was afraid to drain the battery or kill the starter
>> so
>>>> I
>>>>> stopped. Not sure what’s going on. It actually did this to me a couple
>> of
>>>>> months ago after the car sat for a month while I sorted the relay
>> ground
>>>>> issue but it eventually did start. So it seems like when the car sits
>> it
>>>>> develops this problem. Maybe it’s an air leak at the injection pump?
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

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Yes. Glow plug system was dealt with 2 months ago.

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 12:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Have you ruled out the glow plug relay (assuming it has one) and/or the gp 
> fuse?
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 10:51 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Probably, but that’s a lot of hassle. I think it will start if I keep 
>> cranking. I just need to charge the battery. Obviously, I need to identify 
>> the source of the air leak, if in fact that is the culprit.
>> 
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>> > On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > On 27/07/2023 9:34 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> I think you are right. The car is getting closer and closer to starting- 
>> >> almost started but my battery is giving in.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> > Would it help to crack the injector lines one by one and bleed off any air?
>> > 
>> > Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

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Probably, but that’s a lot of hassle. I think it will start if I keep cranking. 
I just need to charge the battery. Obviously, I need to identify the source of 
the air leak, if in fact that is the culprit.

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
> On 27/07/2023 9:34 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think you are right. The car is getting closer and closer to starting- 
>> almost started but my battery is giving in.
>> 
>> 
> Would it help to crack the injector lines one by one and bleed off any air?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

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I think you are right. The car is getting closer and closer to starting- almost 
started but my battery is giving in. 

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:10 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That sounds like the classic small air leak in the fuel system, letting it
> drain while sitting. It will run fine as long as it runs every day, and you
> will not likely see fuel dripping. Check every inch (centimeter) of the
> lines from the fuel tank to the injection pump.
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 8:37 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Fred. I might take you up on that generous offer. Meanwhile, I’m
>> noticing a few more things. First of all, the lever was in the up position
>> this morning but the car still would not start although it seems like it’s
>> closer to starting. After cranking unsuccessfully, and turning the ignition
>> off, I noticed that the lever was back in the down position and when I
>> would turn the ignition back on and it would pop up and stay up while
>> cranking. Once the ignition was turned off the lever would fall back down.
>> I’m not sure what this means.
>> I haven’t heard anything from my friends and relatives in Greece!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:06 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dimitri, Dwight.
>>> FWIW.
>>> If the lever is down the rack is in the shutoff position and will not
>>> supply fuel at all.
>>> The vacuum shut-off device could be stuck, maybe? (I have a spare).
>>> The pump side plate, when removed, will let you access the rack.
>>> I have an OM602 injection pump with 90k mi. that you may have.
>>> Confused yet?
>>> Fred
>>> p.s. I hope your relatives in Greece are ok and not threatened by the
>>> wildfires.
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 9:52 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> wish I could help you Dimitri but it never got a chance to sit as it
>> was a
>>>> daily driver. worth checking the IP.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023, 9:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo has been sitting for 5 days and now it won’t
>>>>> start. It glows just fine so I think it’s a fuel issue. The injector
>> pump
>>>>> shut off lever is in the depressed position. That doesn’t seem right. I
>>>> can
>>>>> pull it up but it just flops back down. If I hold it up while someone
>>>> else
>>>>> cranks it still won’t start. After many cranking attempts it almost
>>>> started
>>>>> a few times but I was afraid to drain the battery or kill the starter
>> so
>>>> I
>>>>> stopped. Not sure what’s going on. It actually did this to me a couple
>> of
>>>>> months ago after the car sat for a month while I sorted the relay
>> ground
>>>>> issue but it eventually did start. So it seems like when the car sits
>> it
>>>>> develops this problem. Maybe it’s an air leak at the injection pump?
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

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So the lever should be down when the car is off and the ignition is in the off 
position and if it’s up then there is a vacuum leak?

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Yes, but I don’t believe it should be in the down position when the engine 
>> is off.
> 
> Why?  Isn't the key still in the OFF position?  Turn key ON, but do not 
> start.  Observe.
>  
>> You should be able to push it down and once you let go it should spring back 
>> up. 
> 
> Only if there's a vacuum leak.  Or the key is not OFF.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

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Yes, but I don’t believe it should be in the down position when the engine is 
off. You should be able to push it down and once you let go it should spring 
back up. 

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> On Jul 27, 2023, at 10:09 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> ... I would turn the ignition back on and it would pop up and stay up
>> while cranking. Once the ignition was turned off the lever would fall back
>> down. I’m not sure what this means.
>> 
> 
> It means it's working as designed.  How do you think a vacuum-powered
> mechanical shutoff should work?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

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Thanks Fred. I might take you up on that generous offer. Meanwhile, I’m 
noticing a few more things. First of all, the lever was in the up position this 
morning but the car still would not start although it seems like it’s closer to 
starting. After cranking unsuccessfully, and turning the ignition off, I 
noticed that the lever was back in the down position and when I would turn the 
ignition back on and it would pop up and stay up while cranking. Once the 
ignition was turned off the lever would fall back down. I’m not sure what this 
means.
I haven’t heard anything from my friends and relatives in Greece!

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> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:06 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dimitri, Dwight.
> FWIW.
> If the lever is down the rack is in the shutoff position and will not
> supply fuel at all.
> The vacuum shut-off device could be stuck, maybe? (I have a spare).
> The pump side plate, when removed, will let you access the rack.
> I have an OM602 injection pump with 90k mi. that you may have.
> Confused yet?
> Fred
> p.s. I hope your relatives in Greece are ok and not threatened by the
> wildfires.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023 at 9:52 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> wish I could help you Dimitri but it never got a chance to sit as it was a
>> daily driver. worth checking the IP.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2023, 9:43 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo has been sitting for 5 days and now it won’t
>>> start. It glows just fine so I think it’s a fuel issue. The injector pump
>>> shut off lever is in the depressed position. That doesn’t seem right. I
>> can
>>> pull it up but it just flops back down. If I hold it up while someone
>> else
>>> cranks it still won’t start. After many cranking attempts it almost
>> started
>>> a few times but I was afraid to drain the battery or kill the starter so
>> I
>>> stopped. Not sure what’s going on. It actually did this to me a couple of
>>> months ago after the car sat for a month while I sorted the relay ground
>>> issue but it eventually did start. So it seems like when the car sits it
>>> develops this problem. Maybe it’s an air leak at the injection pump?
>>> 
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[MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo no start

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

The 1990 300D 2.5 Turbo has been sitting for 5 days and now it won’t start. It 
glows just fine so I think it’s a fuel issue. The injector pump shut off lever 
is in the depressed position. That doesn’t seem right. I can pull it up but it 
just flops back down. If I hold it up while someone else cranks it still won’t 
start. After many cranking attempts it almost started a few times but I was 
afraid to drain the battery or kill the starter so I stopped. Not sure what’s 
going on. It actually did this to me a couple of months ago after the car sat 
for a month while I sorted the relay ground issue but it eventually did start. 
So it seems like when the car sits it develops this problem. Maybe it’s an air 
leak at the injection pump?

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Re: [MBZ] Looking for car for sonny boy.

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And they don’t rust.

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> On Jun 27, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> 
> yes esp with 4matic
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023, 6:45 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> A Subaru is a weenie mobile. Tell him to get a Mercedes. Maybe a w211 like 
>> Dwight has. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Jun 27, 2023, at 1:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Sadly a Subaru is probably a solid choice. The advantage being that a lot 
>> > of shops can/will work on them. It can be harder to find a good shop that 
>> > can/will work on Mercedes.
>> > 
>> > Most all of the Subaru choices are solid vehicles and as long as you steer 
>> > away from the boy racer models (WRX springs to mind) they don't tend to 
>> > get hooned too bad. They also not terrible to drive. I had occasion to 
>> > drive an early 2000's Forester that was a solid, if slightly boring ride. 
>> > Realistically I should have bought the wagon that Dwight had years ago, 
>> > probably would have saved me money vs getting involved with old "cheap" 
>> > Mercedes...
>> > 
>> > -Curt
>> > 
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>> > My son, Andrew is beginning search for used vehicle.  He is a 25 year old 
>> > student who will hopefully be starting Med school in the next 6 months or 
>> > so.  He has been driving our 1991 Civic for several years but it has been 
>> > sold due to some rust and high mileage.  Actually got $2000 for it!  
>> > He is pushing for a Subaru Impreza or something similar.  I am 
>> > discouraging this and looking more toward a Mercedes all wheel drive in 
>> > the $8-10,000 range and would like to get something that is from the south 
>> > that is relatively rust free.  (My daughter lives in Austin). 
>> > I have 2 300D’s and he is driving one of them now but I don’t want him 
>> > using it in the winter due to the salt and rust issues.  
>> > Any thoughts about what we should be looking for would be welcome. Or even 
>> > better does anyone have anything we might interested in?  We live in 
>> > Michigan. 
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Mike
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 Mercedes 240d Manual Transmission,$4,500

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Running relatively non rusty 240Ds are no longer $1500 cars. 

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> IOW it's a $1500 car if it is in otherwise decent shape
> 
> AC works but is weak. Passenger side windows don't work. Car has to be 
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Re: [MBZ] Looking for car for sonny boy.

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A Subaru is a weenie mobile. Tell him to get a Mercedes. Maybe a w211 like 
Dwight has. 

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> 
> Sadly a Subaru is probably a solid choice. The advantage being that a lot of 
> shops can/will work on them. It can be harder to find a good shop that 
> can/will work on Mercedes.
> 
> Most all of the Subaru choices are solid vehicles and as long as you steer 
> away from the boy racer models (WRX springs to mind) they don't tend to get 
> hooned too bad. They also not terrible to drive. I had occasion to drive an 
> early 2000's Forester that was a solid, if slightly boring ride. 
> Realistically I should have bought the wagon that Dwight had years ago, 
> probably would have saved me money vs getting involved with old "cheap" 
> Mercedes...
> 
> -Curt
> 
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> 
> My son, Andrew is beginning search for used vehicle.  He is a 25 year old 
> student who will hopefully be starting Med school in the next 6 months or so. 
>  He has been driving our 1991 Civic for several years but it has been sold 
> due to some rust and high mileage.  Actually got $2000 for it!  
> He is pushing for a Subaru Impreza or something similar.  I am discouraging 
> this and looking more toward a Mercedes all wheel drive in the $8-10,000 
> range and would like to get something that is from the south that is 
> relatively rust free.  (My daughter lives in Austin). 
> I have 2 300D’s and he is driving one of them now but I don’t want him using 
> it in the winter due to the salt and rust issues.  
> Any thoughts about what we should be looking for would be welcome. Or even 
> better does anyone have anything we might interested in?  We live in 
> Michigan. 
> Thanks in advance,
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Diesel, Anyone?

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Seems pretty nice.

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> 
> 
> 1995 E 300D - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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I’m going to June Jamboree actually!

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> On Jun 13, 2023, at 11:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
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> 
> Perseverance rewarded, dimitri. Take the weekend off.
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 11:34 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Thanks. It’s a great car!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Jun 13, 2023, at 10:23 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > good work Dimitri. keeping my old w124 300D on the road
>> > 
>> >> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:46 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad 
>> >> ground to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front 
>> >> fender, under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected 
>> >> to the terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean 
>> >> copper and soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought 
>> >> that a bad ground would masquerade as a bad relay! 
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> 
>> >> > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>> >> >  wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the 
>> >> >> relay,
>> >> >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger.
>> >> >> 
>> >> > 
>> >> > Not even close.  The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all 
>> >> > that
>> >> > current goes back out through the GP's.  Only a dribble is used by the 
>> >> > relay
>> >> > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink.
>> >> > 
>> >> > What's there already is exactly the right size.
>> >> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Thanks. It’s a great car!

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> On Jun 13, 2023, at 10:23 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> 
> good work Dimitri. keeping my old w124 300D on the road
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 8:46 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad ground 
>> to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front fender, 
>> under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to the 
>> terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper and 
>> soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad 
>> ground would masquerade as a bad relay! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay,
>> >> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger.
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > Not even close.  The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that
>> > current goes back out through the GP's.  Only a dribble is used by the 
>> > relay
>> > itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink.
>> > 
>> > What's there already is exactly the right size.
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Yes this was a great lesson for me!

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> On Jun 13, 2023, at 11:26 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Bad grounds can do all sorts of odd things!
> 
> My Dad refused to work on automotive electrical stuff, said by 
> electrical/electronic engineering standards not of it should work and it was 
> full of feedback loops, etc, and that was before 1976.
> 
> Glad it was something simple and easy to fix.
> 
> My latest electrical gremlin was a bad connector on the low beam on the left 
> side of my Golf.  Bad contact had overheated it, and it was making 
> intermittent contact on top of the connector being stuck.  Also had a issue 
> with the right turn signal front bulb not flashing, bulb is good.
> 
> Fixed the connector by reshaping it after prying the da..d thing off and 
> getting it installed properly (PO screwed it up, or whoever replaced the lamp 
> last), and now the right turn signal works perfectly…..
> 
> Gotta love common ground electrical circuits.
> 
> Almost as much fun as un-soldered “pressure” grounds in stereo equipment!
> 
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> 
>> On Jun 13, 2023, at 7:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad ground 
>> to the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front fender, 
>> under the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to the 
>> terminal was basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper and 
>> soldered on a new terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad 
>> ground would masquerade as a bad relay! 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay,
>>>> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not even close.  The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that
>>> current goes back out through the GP's.  Only a dribble is used by the relay
>>> itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink.
>>> 
>>> What's there already is exactly the right size.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Haha. Got it!

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>> Who are these Percys?
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Who are these Percys?

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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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I fixed it! Thanks to everyone who helped! The issue was indeed a bad ground to 
the relay. The ground was basically where Fred said- left front fender, under 
the headlight assembly. The ground wire where it connected to the terminal was 
basically corroded to dust. I cut it back to clean copper and soldered on a new 
terminal connector. Who would have thought that a bad ground would masquerade 
as a bad relay! 

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> On Jun 10, 2023, at 12:22 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> The ground should be the same size as the wire feeding 12v to the relay,
>> unless it's a lot longer in which case it should be larger.
>> 
> 
> Not even close.  The power feed to the relay is HUGE, but 99% of all that
> current goes back out through the GP's.  Only a dribble is used by the relay
> itself, and that's all the ground wire has to sink.
> 
> What's there already is exactly the right size.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Yes there is power to the relay but no power out.

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> On Jun 9, 2023, at 3:07 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I may have missed it, but did you confirm there's actually power at the
> relay? In other words, put a meter between the (supposed) 12V feed and a
> ground point such as the engine or negative battery terminal. I don't
> remember if the W124 relays have a strip fuse like the W116 and later W123
> relays...
> 
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> 
> If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This
> stuff is a bit outside of my comfort zone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something
> close by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either
> leave your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original
> wiring until you find the connection to ground.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>>> So I?m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a
> test light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which
> corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I?m guessing the
> ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car,
> the relay is grounded? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and
> report back.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Dimitri.
>>>>> The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable.
>>>>> N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure
> to
>>>>> keep them in order.
>>>>> Simple test for ground.
>>>>> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on
>>>>> battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights
> brightly,
>>>>> the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good
>>>>> enough to power the relay.
>>>>> A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will
> pass
>>>>> enough current to work.
>>>>> If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise.
>>>>> Fred.
>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Thanks. I saw that but sadly there is no mention of where the gp relay is 
grounded. 

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> https://www.scribd.com/document/459789284/Ground-Locations-of-mercedes-benz-w124
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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If I want to rig a new ground, what type/gauge wire should I use. This stuff is 
a bit outside of my comfort zone. 

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> On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something close 
> by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either leave 
> your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original wiring 
> until you find the connection to ground.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test 
>> light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which 
>> corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the 
>> ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, 
>> the relay is grounded? Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and 
>>> report back.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dimitri.
>>>> The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable.
>>>> N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to
>>>> keep them in order.
>>>> Simple test for ground.
>>>> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on
>>>> battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly,
>>>> the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good
>>>> enough to power the relay.
>>>> A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass
>>>> enough current to work.
>>>> If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise.
>>>> Fred.
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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It matters in the sense that I don’t want to hack into the original harness or 
connector. 

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> On Jun 9, 2023, at 12:02 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does it really matter? I think I would add a new ground to something close 
> by and see if that fixed the problem. If it does, then you can either leave 
> your temporary fix in place permanently, or track down the original wiring 
> until you find the connection to ground.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 09/06/2023 10:50 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test 
>> light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which 
>> corresponds to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the 
>> ground wire is problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, 
>> the relay is grounded? Thanks.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and 
>>> report back.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dimitri.
>>>> The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable.
>>>> N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to
>>>> keep them in order.
>>>> Simple test for ground.
>>>> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on
>>>> battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly,
>>>> the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good
>>>> enough to power the relay.
>>>> A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass
>>>> enough current to work.
>>>> If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise.
>>>> Fred.
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

So I’m back to it. It seems like the relay has no ground. I attached a test 
light from the power lug on the relay to the number 4 socket (which corresponds 
to ground) on the harness and nothing. So I’m guessing the ground wire is 
problematic. Does anyone know where, on the body of the car, the relay is 
grounded? Thanks.

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> On May 16, 2023, at 8:43 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and report 
> back. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dimitri.
>> The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable.
>> N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to
>> keep them in order.
>> Simple test for ground.
>> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on
>> battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly,
>> the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good
>> enough to power the relay.
>> A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass
>> enough current to work.
>> If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise.
>> Fred.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Possible future cult car?

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Enamored of or enamored with? 

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> This is for those who are enamored of Crank windows.
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>> Interesting and possibly attractive to a Benz enthusiast but not likely to
>> be something that would be widely desired
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Thank you! I like how the bulb brightness will tell me the condition of the 
connection. I will test tomorrow hopefully.

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> On May 16, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on
>> battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly,
>> the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good
>> enough to power the relay.
>> A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass
>> enough current to work.
> 
> Exactly.  The cheap old-fashioned test light works very very well for
> this purpose, and is easy to use.  It's a screwdriver-ey looking thing
> with an awl point, and an alligator clip wire coming out its ass end.
> There is a 1A light bulb in the handle.  The brightness of the light tells
> you how good a connection you have.  (Compare with the brightness
> when probing across the car's battery.)  The awl point slips easily in to
> most sockets.
> 
> The usual MB connectors can be un-shelled, carefully, and individual
> wires removed at need.  (Typical glow-plug hack: removing the purple
> wire from the connector and taping it off.  Thus inducing after-glow.
> Reduces the life of the glow plugs, but makes for a smoother, less
> smoky cold-start idle.)
> 
> Or, remove the shell top and probe the exposed connectors in-circuit.
> Just be careful not to misplace any of the contacts!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Glow plug relay

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Thanks again! I will try the test light trick to test the ground and report 
back. 

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> On May 15, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dimitri.
> The cover of the 5/6 pin connector is just clipped on, it is removable.
> N.B. The cover keeps the connector pins and wires in place, make sure to
> keep them in order.
> Simple test for ground.
> Using a turn signal bulb in a socket with two wires. One wire to Pos on
> battery, the other to Ground in the socket. If the bulb lights brightly,
> the connection is capable of passing a couple of amps, therefore good
> enough to power the relay.
> A meter will only tell you if there is any connection, not if it will pass
> enough current to work.
> If I have misunderstood your question, I apologise.
> Fred.
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

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Ok so one is indeed the ground. How do I check to see if ground is working. 
Kaleb said to jumper it to another known ground but how do I do that when the 
connector connects everything together? Jumper every contact in the connector 
with every corresponding pin on the relay? That is technically challenging to 
do. 

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> On May 14, 2023, at 1:36 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Could one be a ground?
> 
> One would have to be.  Electronics, _all_ electronics, works in circuits.
> As in: innie _and_ outie.  There is no yin without yang, etc.
> 
> Check them all, make no assumptions.
> 
> Generally, in these cars, there are a few major ground points where all
> the brown wires come together.  If one of those points starts to go bad,
> all hell breaks loose.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

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Thank you Fred. This is very helpful. I tested all the glow plugs at the glow 
relay connector and they all check out. I’m not sure how to test the system 
leaving one or another pin disconnected since the connector connects them all 
together. Would I have to rig jumpers between each connector hole and its 
corresponding pin?

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> On May 14, 2023, at 12:24 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dimitri.
> FWIW found this.
> I'm not familiar with that glow relay part number but I'll assume the
> connectors are compatible with MB passenger car harnesses and it's an
> afterglow relay. Forget the wire colors and check for pin numbers either on
> the relay itself or on the connector. The numbers should correspond between
> relay and connector pins. Here's the pin list for a 90-91 300D 2.5:
> 
> pin 1 = +12V when key switch in run to initiate preglow cycle (W124 = hot
> side of fuse 7)
> pin 2 = +12V when key switch in start to terminate preglow cycle (W124 =
> NSS)
> pin 3 = +12V to gauge cluster glow indicator
> pin 4 = ground
> pin 5 = blank
> pin 6 = signal from glow temp sensor by water pump to determine preglow and
> afterglow cycle times
> 
> Assuming each glow plugs test between 0.7- and 1 ohm at the glow relay
> connector, leave pin 2 disconnected then see if you get the max preglow
> cycle of ~30 seconds. I don't know how the glow relay behaves when there is
> no temp sensor.
> 
> If this gets to be too much work, a 617 pencil type glow relay should work
> for you since afterglow isn't much of a benefit in the tropics if you have
> healthy glow plugs.
> 
>> On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 11:29 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It appears pin 31 is ground, connect a test wire from there direct to
>> ground and see what happens.
>> 
>> 
>> https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/w124-continuous-voltage-to-glow-plugs-ignition-vacuum-connection.258241/
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s a brand new relay. I bought it at the stealership! Maybe it’s a
>> ground issue? Where is this thing grounded?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There is no ecm that controls anything with the glow plugs. If the
>> relay gets power, but no power is coming out of the pins to the glow plug
>> harness, then the relay is bad.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 14, 2023, at 9:02 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I’m thinking that maybe the ground to the relay is the problem or
>> that there is an ecm issue. The relay gets power but doesn’t put out power
>> to the glow plugs. But where is the relay grounded? The three connections
>> are the power lug to the battery, the harness to the glow plugs and the
>> harness going to the ignition. The harness going to the ignition has 5
>> wires. One gets power when ignition is turn to on position. I don’t know
>> what the other 4 do. Could one be a ground? I assume some go to an ecm.
>> Could a bad ecm be telling the gp relay not to send a signal to the plugs?
>> I’m about ready to give up and send this car to a mechanic!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 14, 2023, at 12:34 AM, Dimitri Seretakis <
>> dsereta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes my car has three connections as you describe. Big plug to glow
>> plug, cable to battery and small plug. Small plug corresponds to 5 pins on
>> relay. One connection on the plug is live only when ignition is turned on
>> so I presume that is the ignition on.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 13, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Jim Cathey 
>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Used to be there were THREE connections to the relay:
>>>>>>> A big plug that went to the glow plugs, a big cable that
>>>>>>> went to the battery, and a small plug that was command
>>>>>>> and control.  The first two are Duh!, but they all need to
>>>>>>> be working correctly, or you don't get a good start.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IIRC the

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Thank you. I will try that.

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> On May 14, 2023, at 11:29 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It appears pin 31 is ground, connect a test wire from there direct to ground 
> and see what happens. 
> 
> https://forums.mbclub.co.uk/threads/w124-continuous-voltage-to-glow-plugs-ignition-vacuum-connection.258241/
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 14, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s a brand new relay. I bought it at the stealership! Maybe it’s a ground 
>> issue? Where is this thing grounded?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no ecm that controls anything with the glow plugs. If the relay 
>>> gets power, but no power is coming out of the pins to the glow plug 
>>> harness, then the relay is bad. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On May 14, 2023, at 9:02 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So I’m thinking that maybe the ground to the relay is the problem or that 
>>>> there is an ecm issue. The relay gets power but doesn’t put out power to 
>>>> the glow plugs. But where is the relay grounded? The three connections are 
>>>> the power lug to the battery, the harness to the glow plugs and the 
>>>> harness going to the ignition. The harness going to the ignition has 5 
>>>> wires. One gets power when ignition is turn to on position. I don’t know 
>>>> what the other 4 do. Could one be a ground? I assume some go to an ecm. 
>>>> Could a bad ecm be telling the gp relay not to send a signal to the plugs? 
>>>> I’m about ready to give up and send this car to a mechanic!
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 14, 2023, at 12:34 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes my car has three connections as you describe. Big plug to glow plug, 
>>>>> cable to battery and small plug. Small plug corresponds to 5 pins on 
>>>>> relay. One connection on the plug is live only when ignition is turned on 
>>>>> so I presume that is the ignition on. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 13, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Jim Cathey  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Used to be there were THREE connections to the relay:
>>>>>> A big plug that went to the glow plugs, a big cable that
>>>>>> went to the battery, and a small plug that was command
>>>>>> and control.  The first two are Duh!, but they all need to
>>>>>> be working correctly, or you don't get a good start.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> IIRC there was an ignition-on signal, a start signal, and
>>>>>> a dash lamp signal.  Ignition-on started the GP timer,
>>>>>> start-release stopped the glow plugs, and the light was
>>>>>> the light.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure exactly what your car has.  Check the car schematic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

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It’s a brand new relay. I bought it at the stealership! Maybe it’s a ground 
issue? Where is this thing grounded?

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> On May 14, 2023, at 11:14 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no ecm that controls anything with the glow plugs. If the relay 
> gets power, but no power is coming out of the pins to the glow plug harness, 
> then the relay is bad. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 14, 2023, at 9:02 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So I’m thinking that maybe the ground to the relay is the problem or that 
>> there is an ecm issue. The relay gets power but doesn’t put out power to the 
>> glow plugs. But where is the relay grounded? The three connections are the 
>> power lug to the battery, the harness to the glow plugs and the harness 
>> going to the ignition. The harness going to the ignition has 5 wires. One 
>> gets power when ignition is turn to on position. I don’t know what the other 
>> 4 do. Could one be a ground? I assume some go to an ecm. Could a bad ecm be 
>> telling the gp relay not to send a signal to the plugs? I’m about ready to 
>> give up and send this car to a mechanic!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2023, at 12:34 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes my car has three connections as you describe. Big plug to glow plug, 
>>> cable to battery and small plug. Small plug corresponds to 5 pins on relay. 
>>> One connection on the plug is live only when ignition is turned on so I 
>>> presume that is the ignition on. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On May 13, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Used to be there were THREE connections to the relay:
>>>> A big plug that went to the glow plugs, a big cable that
>>>> went to the battery, and a small plug that was command
>>>> and control.  The first two are Duh!, but they all need to
>>>> be working correctly, or you don't get a good start.
>>>> 
>>>> IIRC there was an ignition-on signal, a start signal, and
>>>> a dash lamp signal.  Ignition-on started the GP timer,
>>>> start-release stopped the glow plugs, and the light was
>>>> the light.
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure exactly what your car has.  Check the car schematic.
>>>> 
>>>> -- Jim
>>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

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So I’m thinking that maybe the ground to the relay is the problem or that there 
is an ecm issue. The relay gets power but doesn’t put out power to the glow 
plugs. But where is the relay grounded? The three connections are the power lug 
to the battery, the harness to the glow plugs and the harness going to the 
ignition. The harness going to the ignition has 5 wires. One gets power when 
ignition is turn to on position. I don’t know what the other 4 do. Could one be 
a ground? I assume some go to an ecm. Could a bad ecm be telling the gp relay 
not to send a signal to the plugs? I’m about ready to give up and send this car 
to a mechanic!

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> On May 14, 2023, at 12:34 AM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Yes my car has three connections as you describe. Big plug to glow plug, 
> cable to battery and small plug. Small plug corresponds to 5 pins on relay. 
> One connection on the plug is live only when ignition is turned on so I 
> presume that is the ignition on. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 13, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>> 
>> Used to be there were THREE connections to the relay:
>> A big plug that went to the glow plugs, a big cable that
>> went to the battery, and a small plug that was command
>> and control.  The first two are Duh!, but they all need to
>> be working correctly, or you don't get a good start.
>> 
>> IIRC there was an ignition-on signal, a start signal, and
>> a dash lamp signal.  Ignition-on started the GP timer,
>> start-release stopped the glow plugs, and the light was
>> the light.
>> 
>> Not sure exactly what your car has.  Check the car schematic.
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Glow Plug Relay

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Yes my car has three connections as you describe. Big plug to glow plug, cable 
to battery and small plug. Small plug corresponds to 5 pins on relay. One 
connection on the plug is live only when ignition is turned on so I presume 
that is the ignition on. 

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> On May 13, 2023, at 12:37 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> Used to be there were THREE connections to the relay:
> A big plug that went to the glow plugs, a big cable that
> went to the battery, and a small plug that was command
> and control.  The first two are Duh!, but they all need to
> be working correctly, or you don't get a good start.
> 
> IIRC there was an ignition-on signal, a start signal, and
> a dash lamp signal.  Ignition-on started the GP timer,
> start-release stopped the glow plugs, and the light was
> the light.
> 
> Not sure exactly what your car has.  Check the car schematic.
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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