Re: [MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-18 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I did not see any attempt to shift blame to the FBI.  That’s an awful stretch 
there.  The DNC has no one to blame but themselves for allowing a crime to be 
committed against them.

Second, I do not believe that Trump is ion league with the Russians.  I didn’t 
get that from the article at all.

But , then again,  to each his own.

Jon


> On Dec 18, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hear Here!
> 
>> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>> December 18, 2016 at 5:21 PM
>> No doubt the Russians (and others) spy on us with focus on current and 
>> future decision makers. Always have and always will. And the internet has 
>> provided a new (and relatively safe) domain for this work. But I doubt the 
>> Russians were trying to help Trump win. Considering that "everyone" knew 
>> Hillary was going to win, It's way more likely they wanted to damage, 
>> compromise, and profile the next president and her leadership team. 
>> Furthermore, it's unlikely the leaks came from the Russians (as Assange also 
>> maintains). State intelligence organizations (unlike certain political 
>> appointees) are very careful to protect sources and methods.
>> 
>> So to address Jon's point about bias, I see two dimensions of this in this 
>> article. First is the attempt to shift blame to the FBI for the DNC's sorry 
>> network security. The FBI did nothing wrong in this regard, unlike the DNC, 
>> Podesta, etc. This is the old story "search for the guilty persecution of 
>> the innocent, and awards for the non-participants."
>> Second is the attempt to imply Trump is somehow in league with the Russians. 
>> The Russians tried to hack the Republicans too but unsuccessfully and with 
>> less effort because they expected Trump to lose. Coincidence is not 
>> causation.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Santa made a delivery

2016-12-18 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
http://www.toolpan.com/SAS-Safety-66519--XL-Raven-Nitrile-Gloves--Black--100-pcs_p_2798.html?gdffi=d5de8d975e554fe98677ff5f83efd439=6216EE1EE0C246909D547B3378B0FB03=CJextJfp_tACFYWKswodkgULog
 



> On Dec 18, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I like them.  I use the blue nitrile ones, also from HF.  I buy them by the 
> 100 box and replace as needed; because they rip easy.  There is no faster or 
> more effective way to get clean hands after working on oily, sooty Diesel 
> stuff.  They are indispensable for working with polysulfide, like POR 15.  
> These gloves give me better grip than bare skin with little loss of touch 
> feel.  They wipe fairly clean with a paper towel when gooky.  My main problem 
> was sweat, especially when I lived in FL.  The gloves would fill with water 
> and drip in my face when working overhead.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 4:43 PM
>> 
>> I have started using those HF rubber gloves sometimes. Jury is still out on 
>> if I
>> like using gloves or not.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Dan Elliott via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Something you can do to make hand clean up easier after working on your
>> car is to put some heavy moisturizer on beforehand. Grease will have less to
>> stick to.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Santa made a delivery

2016-12-18 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Kaleb, I think gloves are the way to go.  I buy the nitrile gloves in boxes of 
100.  I think it’s called Black Raven or something like that, and you can get 
them at O’reilly’s or on Amazon Prime.  Last batch I bought was O’Reilly’s and 
they were on sale.  They hold up pretty well, and they’re cheap enough that you 
don’t mind throwing them away.

Jon


> On Dec 18, 2016, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have started using those HF rubber gloves sometimes. Jury is still out on 
> if I like using gloves or not.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Dan Elliott via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Something you can do to make hand clean up easier after working on your car 
>> is to put some heavy moisturizer on beforehand. Grease will have less to 
>> stick to.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well let us know it works. He orange gritty stuff does not work that good 
>>> for me.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 18, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Max dispatched Santa to bring a tub of Swarfega hand cleaner to the vast 
 estate the other day.  I got a big tub of this stuff from the old mech I 
 bought Brunnhilde, the 79 TD, from back years ago, like 10 or 12 whenever 
 I got it.  He swore by it, and I have used most of it in the intervening 
 years.  It is the old-timey nasty grease cutter, probably full of things 
 that will cause cancer and make your gentleman's components detach, but it 
 works well.
 
 I have not tried the new stuff yet, that will have to wait for the next 
 knackering effort, we shall do a comparo and let the list know.
 
 --FT
 Winston Churchill:
 “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, 
 large or petty,
 never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
 Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody please keep albore home!

2016-12-18 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Yesterday morning it -2F.  It is +46F at the present time, and by tomorrow 
morning it will be +3F.  As soon as the big pressure moves off to the east on 
Tuesday night, it will be back into the high 30’s.  That is weather.  

Jon


> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> Somebody please sponsor Curley a scholarship to  remedial kindergarten so
> he can learn the difference between weather and climate.
> 
> On Dec 18, 2016 1:03 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
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>> Albore is famous because everywhere he goes to preach his global warming
>> fundraiser, er, I mean religion, record snow, and cold follows.
>> 
>> It was predicted to be -7 last night.  Instead it was -14!  tonight will
>> be even colder!
>> 
>> Will someone please lock that boy up so he quits spreading the cold
>> around!
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody please keep albore home!

2016-12-18 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
NO…..Don;t do it!  I rather enjoy reading his expertise on a wide variety of 
subjects.


> On Dec 18, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Somebody please sponsor Curley a scholarship to  remedial kindergarten so
> he can learn the difference between weather and climate.
> 
> On Dec 18, 2016 1:03 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Albore is famous because everywhere he goes to preach his global warming
>> fundraiser, er, I mean religion, record snow, and cold follows.
>> 
>> It was predicted to be -7 last night.  Instead it was -14!  tonight will
>> be even colder!
>> 
>> Will someone please lock that boy up so he quits spreading the cold
>> around!
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Re: [MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-18 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Murders?


> On Dec 18, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You have got to be kidding!
> 
> Nixon level screwup?
> 
> Neither Nixon, nor the (E) (or is it Dumbo?) party did anything near the 
> level that the CCF, DNC and their acolytes did and continue to do.  Yes, the 
> (E) party tried to gather some competitive intelligence using illegal means, 
> but they were so inept, they used bumbling amateurs.  Nixon was forced out of 
> office over 13 minutes of blank tape and a few expletives.  (He WAS in the 
> Navy during WWII, and at Guadalcanal and Bougainville)
> 
> All that pales (much?) (is very insignificant) compared to the murders, 
> eating their own (Berners),  and massive corruption of the CCF, the CCFF, the 
> DNC, and their acolytes.
> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> December 18, 2016 at 12:14 PM
>> Oh come now, that sounds sensible.
>> I'm actually amazed, this is a Nixon level screw up, if they'd left it alone 
>> Bernie probably would have won...
>> 
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[MBZ] Fwd: URGENT - WARNING - DO NOT RESPOND to the attached email - It's there for ILLUSTRATIVE purposes ONLY

2016-12-18 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Here’s what I’m talking about.  This one is not nearly as professional as the 
one I received yesterday.

ANYWAY, I post this so everyone can get the word out to their loved ones.  I 
made an IMMEDIATE call to my father as he’s vulnerable to this sort of stuff.

Jon



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
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> Subject: URGENT
> Date: December 18, 2016 at 8:43:14 AM EST
> To: Recipients 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
So the same laws wouldn’t apply to your enemies?  Is that what you are saying?


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Of course I would. But I don't care about the fate of my "enemies". 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s exactly what I said….AFTER the fact.
>> 
>> Seems like you have a double standard there.  I bet you would care if 
>> someone hacked your emails and financial records.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hillary overtly criticized Putins election causing massive protests against 
>>> him. I think she was Secretary of State at the time. She played with fire 
>>> and she got burned. 
>>> Now I don't condone any foreign nation hacking into our systems or 
>>> attempting to influence our election but I dislike her so much I just don't 
>>> care that it happened to her. If it happened to Bernie I would have been 
>>> pissed. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dimitri, 
>>>> 
>>>> The fact is that Clinton did say the the Russian elections were dishonest 
>>>> and unfair AFTER the fact.  Can you point me to any source which says the 
>>>> US or the State Dept did anything covertly to undermine the election in 
>>>> Russia.  I’d be willing to read it.  
>>>> 
>>>> As I mentioned earlier, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but 
>>>> not their own facts.
>>>> 
>>>> Jon
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe the rooskies did it, maybe they didn't. I don't trust anything that 
>>>>> the CIA or FBI puts forth. Bottom line, Hillary meddled in Putin's 
>>>>> election and we all know that Putin is one dangerous badass motherf***er. 
>>>>> When you mess with a dangerous badass motherf***er you get f***ed! This 
>>>>> is not complicated. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We have no evidence the rooskies did it, and certainly none that the 
>>>>>> rooskie goobers did it.  Most of the hackers in the world use rooskie 
>>>>>> servers to cover their tracks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julian said that the information was not provided by any "state" meaning 
>>>>>> goobermnt.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My money is still on the young DNC kid that the CCF knocked off a few 
>>>>>> months ago.  Now IF some "jounalist" could stop printing what comes out 
>>>>>> of bloggers in underwear, and tie the murder to the clintonistas, then 
>>>>>> THAT would be journalism.   (but the CCF would likely knock off the 
>>>>>> journalist before anything was published.  Those are very dangerous 
>>>>>> people.)
>>>>>>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>>>> December 17, 2016 at 6:38 PM
>>>>>>> Curse those Russians for digging up the truth and causing it to become 
>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>> knowledge?
>>>>>>> Once upon a time, when we had journalists who weren't in bed with 
>>>>>>> politicians,
>>>>>>> we called that sort of work Journalism.
>>>>>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
That’s exactly what I said….AFTER the fact.

Seems like you have a double standard there.  I bet you would care if someone 
hacked your emails and financial records.

Jon


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hillary overtly criticized Putins election causing massive protests against 
> him. I think she was Secretary of State at the time. She played with fire and 
> she got burned. 
> Now I don't condone any foreign nation hacking into our systems or attempting 
> to influence our election but I dislike her so much I just don't care that it 
> happened to her. If it happened to Bernie I would have been pissed. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dimitri, 
>> 
>> The fact is that Clinton did say the the Russian elections were dishonest 
>> and unfair AFTER the fact.  Can you point me to any source which says the US 
>> or the State Dept did anything covertly to undermine the election in Russia. 
>>  I’d be willing to read it.  
>> 
>> As I mentioned earlier, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not 
>> their own facts.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe the rooskies did it, maybe they didn't. I don't trust anything that 
>>> the CIA or FBI puts forth. Bottom line, Hillary meddled in Putin's election 
>>> and we all know that Putin is one dangerous badass motherf***er. When you 
>>> mess with a dangerous badass motherf***er you get f***ed! This is not 
>>> complicated. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We have no evidence the rooskies did it, and certainly none that the 
>>>> rooskie goobers did it.  Most of the hackers in the world use rooskie 
>>>> servers to cover their tracks.
>>>> 
>>>> Julian said that the information was not provided by any "state" meaning 
>>>> goobermnt.
>>>> 
>>>> My money is still on the young DNC kid that the CCF knocked off a few 
>>>> months ago.  Now IF some "jounalist" could stop printing what comes out of 
>>>> bloggers in underwear, and tie the murder to the clintonistas, then THAT 
>>>> would be journalism.   (but the CCF would likely knock off the journalist 
>>>> before anything was published.  Those are very dangerous people.)
>>>>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> December 17, 2016 at 6:38 PM
>>>>> Curse those Russians for digging up the truth and causing it to become 
>>>>> common
>>>>> knowledge?
>>>>> Once upon a time, when we had journalists who weren't in bed with 
>>>>> politicians,
>>>>> we called that sort of work Journalism.
>>>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Dimitri, 

The fact is that Clinton did say the the Russian elections were dishonest and 
unfair AFTER the fact.  Can you point me to any source which says the US or the 
State Dept did anything covertly to undermine the election in Russia.  I’d be 
willing to read it.  

As I mentioned earlier, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not 
their own facts.

Jon




> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe the rooskies did it, maybe they didn't. I don't trust anything that the 
> CIA or FBI puts forth. Bottom line, Hillary meddled in Putin's election and 
> we all know that Putin is one dangerous badass motherf***er. When you mess 
> with a dangerous badass motherf***er you get f***ed! This is not complicated. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We have no evidence the rooskies did it, and certainly none that the rooskie 
>> goobers did it.  Most of the hackers in the world use rooskie servers to 
>> cover their tracks.
>> 
>> Julian said that the information was not provided by any "state" meaning 
>> goobermnt.
>> 
>> My money is still on the young DNC kid that the CCF knocked off a few months 
>> ago.  Now IF some "jounalist" could stop printing what comes out of bloggers 
>> in underwear, and tie the murder to the clintonistas, then THAT would be 
>> journalism.   (but the CCF would likely knock off the journalist before 
>> anything was published.  Those are very dangerous people.)
>>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>> December 17, 2016 at 6:38 PM
>>> Curse those Russians for digging up the truth and causing it to become 
>>> common
>>> knowledge?
>>> Once upon a time, when we had journalists who weren't in bed with 
>>> politicians,
>>> we called that sort of work Journalism.
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Says the state security expert, Curley.  He must obviously have better sources 
that the CIA and FBI.  Oh well.


On Dec 17, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

We have no evidence the rooskies did it, and certainly none that the rooskie 
goobers did it.  Most of the hackers in the world use rooskie servers to cover 
their tracks.


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Re: [MBZ] slow light off

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
As I said, do as you wish.  I only switched to Optima in the MB after switching 
on my boat.  I did the regular AGM for it with terrible results (short life).  
Went to Optima’s and my problems vanished.  The boat Optima’s have been in 
there for almost 10 years.


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>  wrote:
> 
> YES, and it will probably last longer, have more CCA, and BTW, cost less.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 17, 2016 at 6:32 PM
>> Ok so instead of jacking with an optima that does not fit right just buy a 
>> group 49 agm
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I knew it would not take long.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Curse those Russians for digging up the truth and causing it to become common
> knowledge?
> Once upon a time, when we had journalists who weren't in bed with politicians,
> we called that sort of work Journalism. 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On December 17, 2016 at 6:54 PM Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> I am more interested in preventing this from ever happening again to us as a
>> Nation of free people.  I am to calling for a “do-over” or any such nonsense.
>> This is about being an American, and we need to start acting like
>> it….whatever our political leanings.
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Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Yep.

> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I also studied statistics as part of my psych degree. I actually was paid as 
> a statistician by a couple of market research companies. More importantly, I 
> studied philosophy of science, so learned all about experimental design, the 
> null hypothesis, and falsification. Those are things about which many 
> "scientists" are unaware.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 2:02 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo
> 
> I am sure that it’s a good book.  I studied Statistics and Economics at 
> Northwestern.  I fully understand them.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Jon, I know you are a very intelligent guy.   Read this book.  It is a 
>> classic and was out of print for decades, but within in lies universal 
>> truth, presented in a humorous way.  Now it is back in print again.
>> https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728You 
>> can read the first few pages online for free.
>> 
>> It is under $10.  Or you local welfare bookstore probably has a copy you can 
>> read for free. (pubic library)
>> 
>> I was fortunate enough to get a copy from one of my several Statistics profs 
>> when he retired.  He tried to teach Ed statistics to wannabe school sups.  
>> The majority of them were dumber that a rock.
>> 
>> It is the ONLY book from college or grad school I continue to refer to!  In 
>> fact, it was not even a required book, but Dr Neteusil in the Ed Stat class 
>> kept referring to it because ed statistics (and peer reviewed pubs) are rife 
>> with statistical errors, bias and misapplication.
>> 
>>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> December 17, 2016 at 1:19 PM
>>> https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/ 
>>> <https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Books,Was Re: Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I started it and it was OK.  Life intervened, and it’s still waiting for me to 
finish.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Did you watch the Hulu miniseries adaptation of that book?
> 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On December 17, 2016 at 7:21 PM Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> For those of you who have not read it, 11-22-63 is a MUST if you like that
>> sort of thing.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] slow light off

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Do as you wish.  The optima is smaller and still fits into the 123 hold just 
fine.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok so instead of jacking with an optima that does not fit right just buy a 
> group 49 agm
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> They are AGM batteries.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What makes optima better than a agm battery?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There are three different types of Optima’s: Red Blue and Yellow.  Each is 
>>>> for a slightly different application.  Red is the best for our diesels.  
>>>> One of theaters is best for a sailboat house battery and the other would 
>>>> be for a marine starter application.  
>>>> 
>>>> I got mine on sale at Napa in 2013.
>>>> 
>>>> Jon
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Same price as a Diehard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2016 4:35 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't know what sizes are available, but Amazon has them:
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Batteries-8020-164-Starting-
>>>>>> Battery/dp/B000MS9VZK
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Who sells Optima Red Top batteries?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I saw one two days ago at NAPA.  Over $200, IIRC.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> OK Don
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few 
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>>>>> for themselves."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
>>>>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>>>>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>>>>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Correct.  Statistics can only predict a “probable” outcome.  Only FACTS can 
prove something.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Not when manipulated by a virtuoso.
> 
> Almost nothing that is presented with a statistical analysis is done 
> correctly.  Most statistics "prove" nothing.  In fact, by definition, 
> statistics can't be used to PROVE anything.
> 
>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> December 17, 2016 at 6:03 PM
>> Hence my earlier email. It really is easy to spot when they are manipulated 
>> to show a certain result.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Joke du jour

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Precisely!  Why do you think actuaries are so highly compensated.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> 4 guys applied for a job requiring customers to be persuaded to buy by using 
> calculations and data presentation.
> 
> A mathematician, an engineer, an accountant, and a statistician were 
> interviewed,  one by one.
> 
> The interviewer asked the mathematician how he would present the breakdown of 
> US citizens by race.
> 
> The mathematician gave the answer precisely, accurate to 6 decimal places.
> 
> The interviewer asked the engineer how he would present the breakdown of US 
> citizens by race.
> 
> The engineer gave the answer precisely, accurate to 2 decimal places.
> 
> The interviewer asked the accountant how he would present the breakdown of US 
> citizens by race.
> 
> The mathematician pulled down the shades, checked the room for bugs, than 
> asked, "what do you want them to be?"
> 
> The interviewer asked the statistician how he would present the breakdown of 
> US citizens by race.
> 
> The statistician pulled down the shades, checked the room for bugs, than 
> asked, "I can make them be anything you want them to be?"
> 
> The Statistician got the job!  Sales skyrocketed.  Profits soared.
> 
> 
> 
> You see, the Statistician knew how ro choose the sample to get what he 
> wanted, he knew how to manipulate the input data to show what he wanted, how 
> to modify the statistical analysis to show what he wanted, how to modify the 
> statistical error to cover up what he didn't want to show.  He was a complete 
> virtuoso of statistical analysis!
> 
> The "facts" he presented to the customers made them drool and whip out the 
> checkbook, but the "facts" were false.  His prior job was political polling 
> for the NY Times.
> 
> 
> 
> See "How to Lie with Statistics" by Huff.  It is on amazon.com or must likely 
> at your local welfare book store (pubic library)
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Re: [MBZ] Books,Was Re: Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I try to do at least 2/month.  Sometimes it’s 1, sometimes it’s 4.  I can’t 
remember the last time I read 5 in a month.  I tried the electronic book thing 
on my iPad and couldn’t stand it.  I also do all kinds of books.  I am a huge 
fan of the classic literature from the 17th and 18th centuries.  Shakespeare is 
great, but only in small doses for me.  The Lonesome Dove books were, IMHO, 
fantastic, as is most of the Stephen King’s books.  For those of you who have 
not read it, 11-22-63 is a MUST if you like that sort of thing.

Mostly it;s history, and it doesn’t matter where or when.  Shelby Foote’s 
narrative history of the Civil War is, again IMHO, a masterpiece.  It should be 
required reading in order to graduate from high school.  In fact, I was 
rummaging in the barn attic looking for that trilogy this past week.  It’s 
about time for me to re-read it for the 3rd time.

Best,

Jon

PS:  That does not count the countless books and articles I read pertaining to 
our MB’s and my old wooden boat.  Last week I translated a 6 page article about 
the Zenith 35/40 INAT from German to English.  Four years of HS and 2 in 
college and it’s still “night güt.”  Google translator is a wonderful thing, 
and I found myself remembering many phrases and words as I did it.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Jon sez:
> 
>> I will look it up.  I’m always up for a good read, and I am just about 
>> finished with this year’s pile of books.
> 
> How many books do you read in a year?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] slow light off

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
They are AGM batteries.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> What makes optima better than a agm battery?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There are three different types of Optima’s: Red Blue and Yellow.  Each is 
>> for a slightly different application.  Red is the best for our diesels.  One 
>> of theaters is best for a sailboat house battery and the other would be for 
>> a marine starter application.  
>> 
>> I got mine on sale at Napa in 2013.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same price as a Diehard.
>>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016 4:35 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don't know what sizes are available, but Amazon has them:
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Batteries-8020-164-Starting-
>>>> Battery/dp/B000MS9VZK
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Who sells Optima Red Top batteries?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I saw one two days ago at NAPA.  Over $200, IIRC.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> OK Don
>>>> 
>>>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
>>>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>>> 
>>>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>>>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>>>> for themselves."
>>>> 
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>>>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
>>>> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
>>>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Hence my earlier email.  It really is easy to spot when they are manipulated to 
show a certain result.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Statistics can be manipulated to show anything. Prior to medical school, I 
> did research at the Harvard School of Public Health under the tutelage of one 
> of the most renowned epidemiologists in the world. Statistics play a crucial 
> role in the field of epidemiology. He showed me how one can manipulate data 
> to show anything. It was quite disconcerting.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It aint what was in your stat text.  It is hilarious, but dead serious.   It 
>> is one book I will never get rid of.
>> 
>>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> December 17, 2016 at 4:01 PM
>>> I am sure that it’s a good book. I studied Statistics and Economics at 
>>> Northwestern. I fully understand them.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> Accident in Maryland, yo!
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lba_yQHzZCo=em
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> Sent from an outdated phone
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Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
And refreezing.  it’s the rate of melt and refreeze that we need to be 
concerned with.



> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The ice caps have been melting since the last ice age.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The heat is melting the ice caps y'all.
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2016 3:17 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jon, I know you are a very intelligent guy.   Read this book.  It is a
>>> classic and was out of print for decades, but within in lies universal
>>> truth, presented in a humorous way.  Now it is back in print again.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728
>>> You can read the first few pages online for free.
>>> 
>>> It is under $10.  Or you local welfare bookstore probably has a copy you
>>> can read for free. (pubic library)
>>> 
>>> I was fortunate enough to get a copy from one of my several Statistics
>>> profs when he retired.  He tried to teach Ed statistics to wannabe school
>>> sups.  The majority of them were dumber that a rock.
>>> 
>>> It is the ONLY book from college or grad school I continue to refer to!
>>> In fact, it was not even a required book, but Dr Neteusil in the Ed Stat
>>> class kept referring to it because ed statistics (and peer reviewed pubs)
>>> are rife with statistical errors, bias and misapplication.
>>> 
>>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>> December 17, 2016 at 1:19 PM
>>>> https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/ <
>>>> https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
NOTE:  This is NOT a PARTISAN post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html?emc=edit_th_20161214=todaysheadlines=37044079
 
<http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html?emc=edit_th_20161214=todaysheadlines=37044079>

I’ve read the NYT analysis of what happened and how it happened.  This is a 
really good read, and I think it’s a fair and unbiased accounting.  If there 
was bias, I went right by it, as I am more interested in preventing this from 
ever happening again to us as a Nation of free people.  I am to calling for a 
“do-over” or any such nonsense.  This is about being an American, and we need 
to start acting like it….whatever our political leanings.

Best,

Jon



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> wrote:
> 
> On a separate note, I just received an email from my provider telling me that 
> it had been temporarily suspended due to security issues.  There was a button 
> to respond with.  It all looked legit until I closely examined the from email 
> address and the url of the respond button.
> 
> This is exactly how the Russians gained the keys to the DNC.
> 
> "Be careful out there.” - Hill Street Blues
> 
> Merry Christmas all!
> 
> Jon
> 
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[MBZ] Phishing emails

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
On a separate note, I just received an email from my provider telling me that 
it had been temporarily suspended due to security issues.  There was a button 
to respond with.  It all looked legit until I closely examined the from email 
address and the url of the respond button.

This is exactly how the Russians gained the keys to the DNC.

"Be careful out there.” - Hill Street Blues

Merry Christmas all!

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Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I will look it up.  I’m always up for a good read, and I am just about finished 
with this year’s pile of books.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> It aint what was in your stat text.  It is hilarious, but dead serious.   It 
> is one book I will never get rid of.
> 
>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> December 17, 2016 at 4:01 PM
>> I am sure that it’s a good book. I studied Statistics and Economics at 
>> Northwestern. I fully understand them.
>> 
>> Jon
>> Accident in Maryland, yo!
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lba_yQHzZCo=em
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> Sent from an outdated phone
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Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
One of the good things about studying stats is that you know how they CAN be 
manipulated, and when to know if they are genuinely presented.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> It aint what was in your stat text.  It is hilarious, but dead serious.   It 
> is one book I will never get rid of.
> 
>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> December 17, 2016 at 4:01 PM
>> I am sure that it’s a good book. I studied Statistics and Economics at 
>> Northwestern. I fully understand them.
>> 
>> Jon
>> Accident in Maryland, yo!
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lba_yQHzZCo=em
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> Sent from an outdated phone
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Re: [MBZ] slow light off

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
There are three different types of Optima’s: Red Blue and Yellow.  Each is for 
a slightly different application.  Red is the best for our diesels.  One of 
theaters is best for a sailboat house battery and the other would be for a 
marine starter application.  

I got mine on sale at Napa in 2013.

Jon


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Same price as a Diehard.
> 
> On Dec 17, 2016 4:35 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> I don't know what sizes are available, but Amazon has them:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Batteries-8020-164-Starting-
>> Battery/dp/B000MS9VZK
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
 
 Who sells Optima Red Top batteries?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I saw one two days ago at NAPA.  Over $200, IIRC.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
>> for themselves."
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I am sure that it’s a good book.  I studied Statistics and Economics at 
Northwestern.  I fully understand them.

Jon


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Jon, I know you are a very intelligent guy.   Read this book.  It is a 
> classic and was out of print for decades, but within in lies universal truth, 
> presented in a humorous way.  Now it is back in print again.
> https://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728You 
> can read the first few pages online for free.
> 
> It is under $10.  Or you local welfare bookstore probably has a copy you can 
> read for free. (pubic library)
> 
> I was fortunate enough to get a copy from one of my several Statistics profs 
> when he retired.  He tried to teach Ed statistics to wannabe school sups.  
> The majority of them were dumber that a rock.
> 
> It is the ONLY book from college or grad school I continue to refer to!  In 
> fact, it was not even a required book, but Dr Neteusil in the Ed Stat class 
> kept referring to it because ed statistics (and peer reviewed pubs) are rife 
> with statistical errors, bias and misapplication.
> 
>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> December 17, 2016 at 1:19 PM
>> https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/ 
>> <https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Global Warming In MD, Yo

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
https://www.climate-lab-book.ac.uk/2016/spiralling-global-temperatures/ 



> On Dec 17, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Albore must be flyin all over.   Record cold around here.  Record cold all 
> over the norther states.   Ice in Maryland!  Who'd thunk it?  It is 20 years 
> after albore told us we were all gonna melt.  WHERE IS THAT HEAT?
> 
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> December 17, 2016 at 12:55 PM
>> Accident in Maryland, yo!
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lba_yQHzZCo=em
>> 
>> 
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>> Sent from an outdated phone
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Re: [MBZ] slow light off

2016-12-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
It really amazing what kind of mayhem a weak battery can do.  It’ll look normal 
on a load test, but when it comes to glow plugs and diesel starting, it won’t 
carry water.  Same thing happened to me in 2013.  I bought an Optima red top 
and have never looked back.  The only time it as not started is when it went to 
-10F and I forgot to put in the Diesel 911.


> On Dec 17, 2016, at 12:18 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> When I got Polei, she would light off, but it was like the flywheel was just 
> a bit too heavy.  As the months got colder, that flywheel seemed to gain 
> density and was harder to get to spin.
> 
> I got to thinking it may be really bad glow plugs, as if at least one was not 
> heating up, if not more.  Or the starter was getting ready to crap out.  I 
> put the battery on the charger and it was always near fully loaded, which 
> made me think it could be a poor connection to the starter or the solenoid.  
> The cold was just doing a deep job on maybe the fuel was gelling, the battery 
> was cold, the glow plugs failing.
> 
> I went to the feed store for more food for the chickens (damn raccoon must 
> have figured that out as he reduced the flock an hour ago).  It was a frozen 
> morning and the oil must have been thicker, the fuel gummed up, battery cold 
> and the plugs just not warming up.  It sounded as if the starter was pushing 
> uphill, but it lit off.  When I got back in the car after getting it loaded, 
> the car would not turn over.  Battery was charged last night.  
> 
> This is the second battery this month.  Had to toss a fresh one in the w220.  
> That one was eleven years old.  As luck would have it, there was a NAPA just 
> the other side of the parking lot.  More good luck, they actually had a group 
> 49 on the shelf.  I had removed the tool kit because it was rotting away due 
> to water intrusion into the trunk, so had to borrow their cardboard box of 
> odd tools.  
> 
> It got the old battery out, dropped the new one in, hooked it up.  The key, 
> for some reason, would make nothing happen.  No power coming out of the 
> battery.I hooked my jumpers to the old battery and got some electrons 
> flowing, but no joy.  The NAPA folks had a jumper pack, which had enough ZAP 
> to get the car lit right off.  I gave them the old as a core, and the NAPA 
> folks gave both it and the fresh battery a load test.  Turned out the new 
> NAPA electron box got out of the factory without getting charged.  The old 
> battery was from 2001, probably pre- 9/11.  I left the engine running and got 
> home, then hooked up the new electron box to the charger.   It took seven 
> hours, and now I have a no issues, turn the key and the engine lights off 
> with no hiccup
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
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> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
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> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] Genuine MB Monovalve Inserts!!

2016-12-15 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I’m guessing that there is a small tear in the monovalve diaphragm.  Ask me how 
I know?  :-)

Jon


> On Dec 14, 2016, at 7:28 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you will have to come to the MiniQ to get a diagnosis. It could 
> be a few different things that are hard to see from here.
> 
> Manfred
> 
>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 22:54:57 -0500
>> From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> 
>> My 1983 300TD has intermittent heat.  Thermostat is good - car runs at
>> normal operating temps.  Car gets VERY cold when cruising on the highway -
>> heat simply quits the faster I drive.  Around town, the heat works for
>> awhile and is sensitive to the temp. wheel on the ACC module, but is not
>> dependable.  Does this sound like a monovalve problem?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Genuine MB Monovalve Inserts!!

2016-12-15 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Oh Curley, I know that.  I was just razzin.  My apologies.  In fact I have my 
eyes on a 240D right now: Caledonia Green

Jon



> On Dec 14, 2016, at 5:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The original comment was not about Jon or his particular car.  It is a 
> general thing.  A 240D 3.0 like Craig's to me is 3 times more preferable than 
> a 300D, just because of the hassle of the constantly breaking ACC.  ACC II 
> was a complete disaster (Crypsler), but accIII is THE MOST FAILURE PRONE 
> SYSTEM on the cars it is installed on.  The rest of the the world could order 
> it IF THEY WISH as an option.  MomBUSA  forced it on the US/NA market.  NO 
> CHOICE (except the 240D)
> 
>> Dimitri via Mercedes 
>> December 14, 2016 at 4:36 PM
>> Exactly!!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Genuine MB Monovalve Inserts!!

2016-12-14 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Yep.  Get rid of a perfectly good ’85 300D with 90k and no rust just so I don’t 
have buy $220 in parts.


> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Or buy a 240D with real heater valves and have NONE of this ACC BS.
> 
>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> December 14, 2016 at 9:59 AM
>> What one need to understand about these climate control systems is that each 
>> part of it is interdependent upon the other parts. For instance, if your 
>> temp sensor (under that little square grill on the dash) is inop, your 
>> monovalve or AC will not know what to do. Ditto for the foam rubber tube 
>> that draws air from that little square grill over the temp sensor. That tube 
>> is almost always in the process of disintegration no matter how well the car 
>> has been kept. It;s function of age. Replacement of the tube can be had from 
>> Home Depot for under $2.00. Buy the small diameter pipe insulation for 
>> copper pipe, cut it to length and tape up the slit. The temp sensor is 
>> available, and I don’t remember it being that expensive.
>> 
>> Another source for error is the actual control head for the system. If there 
>> is any corrosion on the wheel, it will definitely have an effect on the 
>> operation of the system. Take it out and check it over. While you’re in 
>> there, it’s a good time to replace the light bulbs.
>> 
>> Another piece of the system is the aux pump. Again, DO NOT buy the MTC 
>> version. It is crap. The pump housing has a habit of coming loose from the 
>> motor section. This allows coolant to spray directly into the alternator 
>> which will potentially give you multiple electrical problem and leave you 
>> scratching your head until you track it down.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
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>> December 13, 2016 at 11:44 PM
>> 
>> 
>> Classic.
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>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> December 13, 2016 at 9:54 PM
>> My 1983 300TD has intermittent heat. Thermostat is good - car runs at
>> normal operating temps. Car gets VERY cold when cruising on the highway -
>> heat simply quits the faster I drive. Around town, the heat works for
>> awhile and is sensitive to the temp. wheel on the ACC module, but is not
>> dependable. Does this sound like a monovalve problem?
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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>> December 13, 2016 at 6:36 PM
>> Mercedes is making and selling them once again. A whopping $50 from the 
>> dealer! Part number 000 835 06 44.
>> 
>> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/2740242-genuine-mb-monovalve-repair-insert-under-2.html#post15310786
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Genuine MB Monovalve Inserts!!

2016-12-14 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Check the diaphragm. If it is ripped, it can cause the valve to jam in the full 
heat or full cold position.


> On Dec 14, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like the PBU is calling for heat (no power across the monovalve) all 
> the time, or the wiring has a fault.  This assumes your insert is good and 
> the coil in the monovalve works.
> 
> You could try applying continuous power across the monovalve to see if that 
> will close off the hot coolant flow to the heater core.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On December 14, 2016 12:20:48 AM EST, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> While on the subject of monovalves, my 83 300D has a problem of all
>> heat all the time. I replaced the insert, but didn't seem to cure the
>> problem. Could it be a bad vac module somewhere, bad PBU, or what?
>> Suggestions, advice, etc. I"ve been tempted to just clamp the hose, but
>> that's not a real solution. 
>> Thanks, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] Genuine MB Monovalve Inserts!!

2016-12-14 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
What one need to understand about these climate control systems is that each 
part of it is interdependent upon the other parts.  For instance, if your temp 
sensor (under that little square grill on the dash) is inop, your monovalve or 
AC will not know what to do.  Ditto for the foam rubber tube that draws air 
from that little square grill over the temp sensor.  That tube is almost always 
in the process of disintegration no matter how well the car has been kept.  
It;s function of age.  Replacement of the tube can be had from Home Depot for 
under $2.00.  Buy the small diameter pipe insulation for copper pipe, cut it to 
length and tape up the slit.  The temp sensor is available, and I don’t 
remember it being that expensive.

Another source for error is the actual control head for the system.  If there 
is any corrosion on the wheel, it will definitely have an effect on the 
operation of the system.  Take it out and check it over.  While you’re in 
there, it’s a good time to replace the light bulbs.

Another piece of the system is the aux pump.  Again, DO NOT buy the MTC 
version.  It is crap.  The pump housing has a habit of coming loose from the 
motor section.  This allows coolant to spray directly into the alternator which 
will potentially give you multiple electrical problem and leave you scratching 
your head until you track it down.

Hope this helps.

Jon


> .On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:44 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Car gets VERY cold when cruising on the highway...Does this sound like a
>> monovalve problem?
> 
> 
> Classic.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Genuine MB Monovalve Inserts!!

2016-12-14 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Agree totally, Kaleb!  DO NOT buy the MTC version.  It’s crap.  They do not 
work properly, and the rubber diaphragm has a half life of burning match.  I 
went through two of these with Rusty before buckling under and paying $140 (in 
2012) for a real MB made in France.  It’s worked perfectly since then and 
that’s over 50k miles in the summer and winter.


> On Dec 13, 2016, at 11:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thats $15 more that a MTC valve is worth.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Only $15 from Autohaus AZ
>> 
>> 
>> 3065  Ships Free with $75+ Order
>> MTC  - HVAC Mono Valve
>> Repair Kit
>> Replacement unit for Bosch 1147213007 solenoid kit which is no longer
>> available. 1 kit per car.
>> View Details 
>> $15.18 SALE$16.87 List: $171.37
>> Qty:
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> My 1983 300TD has intermittent heat.  Thermostat is good - car runs at
>>> normal operating temps.  Car gets VERY cold when cruising on the highway -
>>> heat simply quits the faster I drive.  Around town, the heat works for
>>> awhile and is sensitive to the temp. wheel on the ACC module, but is not
>>> dependable.  Does this sound like a monovalve problem?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Mercedes is making and selling them once again.  A whopping $50 from the
 dealer!  Part number 000 835 06 44.
 
 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/2740242
 -genuine-mb-monovalve-repair-insert-under-2.html#post15310786
 
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Re: [MBZ] SDL continued

2016-12-13 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Mb carries all of the spacer washers or shims that you might need.  They start 
at 1.00mm and go to 1.95mm in .05mm increments.  They cost about 
$2.50-3.00each.  It’s better to buy a kit if you want to do your own.

> On Dec 13, 2016, at 1:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Your friendly local Bosch fuel injection shop.  (IP rebuilder)  Or you can go 
> on fleabay and search for "bosch diesel injector shims"Most of the 
> vendors are furrin.  You need to find out from others on the list what the 
> Bosch numbers are for known correct shims so you get the right size/type.  
> I've always paid a shop to do it, so I don't know any part numbers.
> 
>> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>> December 13, 2016 at 12:43 AM
>> My injectors were balanced pretty well, but if I needed to tweak them, where
>> does one get those shims?
>> 
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>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL continued
>>> 
>>> +1 yep The problem with buying/trading for "rebuilt" nozzle assemblies
>>> is that they are "within spec" but not balanced as a set unless you get
>> lucky.
 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>>> December
 11, 2016 at 7:59 AM Then you need to do it again. Every injector I've
 ever rebuilt needs some kind of adjustment. Spec is within 5 bar, but
 I try to get closer.
 
 Maybe I'm just anal about it, but the whole point of balancing them is
 to get them as close as possible.
 
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>> +1 yep The problem with buying/trading for "rebuilt" nozzle assemblies is 
>> that they are "within spec" but not balanced as a set unless you get lucky.
>> 
>> 
>> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>> December 11, 2016 at 7:59 AM
>> Then you need to do it again. Every injector I've ever rebuilt needs some
>> kind of adjustment. Spec is within 5 bar, but I try to get closer.
>> 
>> Maybe I'm just anal about it, but the whole point of balancing them is to
>> get them as close as possible.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> 
>> 
>> MG via Mercedes 
>> December 11, 2016 at 6:15 AM
>> Did you just take the injectors apart and replace the nozzles or did you do 
>> the pop testing and adjusting also?
>> 
>> 
>>> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 16:14:50 -0600
>>> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So I got all the nozzles rebuilt with Bosio nozzles and get them back in 
>>> and the car fired up today. I also installed a different valve cover to see 
>>> if that would cure the oil blowing from the turbo. Anyway it still runs 
>>> like hell and smokes like hell for about 5-10 minutes when cold. After that 
>>> it starts smoothing out but will still start start missing, which sort of 
>>> comes and goes. It will run smooth then start missing for a minute then 
>>> smooth out again. It is somewhat hard to tell for sure which cylinder it is 
>>> but it seems #3 is the most likely candidate based on loosing the injector 
>>> lines. I'm starting to think it's something with the ip.  Maybe one of the 
>>> delivering valves is not quite installed correctly. None are leaking 
>>> though. The new nozzles seem to have cured the nailing as far as I can 
>>> tell.  I think I either need to just drive it and see if it starts cleaning 
>>> up now that is has heat shields installed or maybe I should pull out the 
>>> delivery valves and make sure
>> ev
>>> erything is correct there.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 CA version 300CD on BAT

2016-12-10 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Chrome wheel well trim.  Ugh!


> On Dec 10, 2016, at 12:57 AM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> I'll take the middle ground - $13,500.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
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>> Yep I'm guessing close to 15,000
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri,12/9/16 22:34, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> Just saw that this is a one owner car with all the anal service records.
>>> It will probably vault even above Dan's stupid money bid.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> $10,000 Bob...
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
 
   On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 6:37 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes<
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   $10500 is my bid
 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
 
 Sent from my cell
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> $9200
> Mitch.
> 
> On December 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
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>> CONTEST!  A small jar of artisanal jalapeno pepper jelly to whoever
>> bids
>> closest to the final selling price.  Must submit your bids NLT midnight
>> tomorrow (Saturday).  I need at least five entries to make this contest
>> worthwhile.
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300cd-
>> turbo-diesel/
>> 
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[MBZ] Beschleunigerpumpe

2016-12-09 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Hi Jaime,

I hope all is well with your family and your on-going projects.  

I got my pumps after doing an on-line search for the BMW part Number.  First 
figured out which models used the Zenith INAT 35/40 and found an on-line parts 
diagram.  There were multiple dealers with on-line parts ordering, and they 
seemed to have the best price.  These parts do come from Germany so it took 
about 2 to 2.5 weeks to get it.  I opted for shipping ($12.95) as I did want to 
drive to New Hampshire to get it.  If you have a dealer close to you with 
decent on-line prices, I’d go and pick it up.

The part number you want is: 13-11-1-285-451, it’s listed as Pump P at 
$43.98ea.  My net was $35.45ea.

Here’s a web page with a parts diagram:  
http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E9/Europe/3.0CSL-M30/L-M/mar1973/browse/fuel_preparation_system/carburetor_nozzles_gasket_set_carb_4

Here’s where I bought mine;  
http://parts.bmwofstratham.com/productSearch.aspx?searchTerm=13-11-1-285-451

You might be interested in this magazine article I came across: 
http://www.bobs-services.de/pdf/2003_12_angstgegner.pdf

It’s in German, but I have translated it into English using Google Translator.  
Once I have it smoothed out, I’ll send it to you in word format.

I’ll also be texting you a photo of the pumps next to a rule.  The blue cup is 
what now comes in the rebuild kit.

I have a ton of questions, and I am still hoping to get down there to se your 
project.  I am afraid that I have an exhaust leak into the coolant.  If that’s 
the case, I am thinking I will just go ahead and do a top end overhaul.  I have 
no maintenance records and I know the car sat for at least 10 years.

Best,

Jon

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Re: [MBZ] Injector Cores Wanted - OM617/Bosch NA31/34X

2016-12-09 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I got a great deal on the Bosio nozzles on a vw parts site by just cross 
referencing the parts number.  Did the same when I needed new accelerator pumps 
for the Zenith carbs. MB part was $140.  BMW used these same carbs on numerous 
models.  Their part was $38.

I’d be interested in paying up for 5 decent cores if anyone has them.  I think 
it’s a great idea to do them all at once rather than one at a time.

Best,

Jon


> On Dec 9, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I've seen a number of people complain about the prices that the DieselGiant 
> charges.  It's mostly newbies who don't know better to shop this stuff.
> 
> I'm good for cores now - Clay found me a set at his knackers. Thanks to all 
> who offered.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Dec 9, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Probably would be my guess. I ordered 12 Bosio nozzles earlier in the year 
>> from dieselgiant I believe and I see they are $47 per nozzle now on his 
>> site. I think this is quite a bit more than I paid as I don't think I would 
>> paid that much. For that price I would probably just order complete Bosch 
>> injectors.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Injector Cores Wanted - OM617/Bosch NA31/34X

2016-12-09 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Is Kent more expensive?


> On Dec 8, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Where do you get monarch nozzles? I'm not buying them from Kent.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'll take German over Italian any day. My local production Bosch shop only 
>> uses Monark nozzles when available. They said (off the record, of course) 
>> that the quality of Bosch nozzles has been inconsistent ever since they 
>> started making them in India.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bosio is the way to go from what I hear. I am currently rebuilding the 
>>> injectors in my SDL with them. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's foolish to rebuild without replacing nozzles, in my opinion.  A set 
>>>> of new Monark nozzles from a German supplier are $135/shipped, cheaper 
>>>> than Ken's markup, making replacement inexpensive and an assurance of 
>>>> getting many thousands of miles out of a rebuild.
>>>> 
>>>> I want a set of cores so I don't have to remove my injectors and have the 
>>>> car out of service. That way there's no pressure to get the work done and 
>>>> it can be completed at one's leisure.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are your cores not good?  I’m just about to do mine.  I bought a set of 
>>>>> Bosio (Italian) nozzles a couple of years ago from some VW site when they 
>>>>> were on sale.  Bergsma recommends Monark (German) and he sells them on 
>>>>> his site.  Kent also has a lot of good information about nozzles 
>>>>> including some videos.  He also sells all of the tools you’ll need if you 
>>>>> don’t already have them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> DieselGiant also has a VERY good write up on the injectors; how to take 
>>>>> them apart, what to look for, etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesinjectornozzlereplace.htm 
>>>>> <http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesinjectornozzlereplace.htm>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jon
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Tol'ja so

2016-12-08 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
It;s all bullshit.  Let’s stick with Mercedes topics, as there are plenty of 
toxic dump waste sites on the internet to talk politics.  

Just MHO.


Jon


> On Dec 8, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> How could there be fraud in states that Trump WON?  The only fraud was in
> states that he LOST.  Obviously!
> 
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Some folks doubted me before the election when I said there would be a lot
>> of voter fraud again.  After the election, I pointed out tht without the
>> illegals who voted illegally, trump won the popular vote also, even without
>> taking out the fraudulent votes.  Again some folks derided me.
>> 
>> Take 30 seconds and do a google search for "Massive voter fraud uncovered
>> by election recount"  Just the first page turns up 4 states, MI, WI, PA and
>> NV, from various sources.  In MI, over 600 precincts out of 1600+ were
>> obviously fraudulent.  Many precents counted more votes then they had
>> voters.  Some of the H\|/ votes were counted 6 times.  THat is a new means
>> of fraud to me.  I know the (J) voters often "vote early, vote often" but
>> counting one vote 6 times is a problem with the county officials, not the
>> individual (although the (J) county officials often close their eyes when
>> (J) voters vote multiple times.)
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Re: [MBZ] Injector Cores Wanted - OM617/Bosch NA31/34X

2016-12-08 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
We need photos and tips!!!


> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Bosio is the way to go from what I hear. I am currently rebuilding the 
> injectors in my SDL with them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It's foolish to rebuild without replacing nozzles, in my opinion.  A set of 
>> new Monark nozzles from a German supplier are $135/shipped, cheaper than 
>> Ken's markup, making replacement inexpensive and an assurance of getting 
>> many thousands of miles out of a rebuild.
>> 
>> I want a set of cores so I don't have to remove my injectors and have the 
>> car out of service. That way there's no pressure to get the work done and it 
>> can be completed at one's leisure.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are your cores not good?  I’m just about to do mine.  I bought a set of 
>>> Bosio (Italian) nozzles a couple of years ago from some VW site when they 
>>> were on sale.  Bergsma recommends Monark (German) and he sells them on his 
>>> site.  Kent also has a lot of good information about nozzles including some 
>>> videos.  He also sells all of the tools you’ll need if you don’t already 
>>> have them.
>>> 
>>> DieselGiant also has a VERY good write up on the injectors; how to take 
>>> them apart, what to look for, etc.
>>> 
>>> http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesinjectornozzlereplace.htm 
>>> <http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesinjectornozzlereplace.htm>
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Jon
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Injector Cores Wanted - OM617/Bosch NA31/34X

2016-12-08 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Are your cores not good?  I’m just about to do mine.  I bought a set of Bosio 
(Italian) nozzles a couple of years ago from some VW site when they were on 
sale.  Bergsma recommends Monark (German) and he sells them on his site.  Kent 
also has a lot of good information about nozzles including some videos.  He 
also sells all of the tools you’ll need if you don’t already have them.

DieselGiant also has a VERY good write up on the injectors; how to take them 
apart, what to look for, etc.

http://dieselgiant.com/mercedesinjectornozzlereplace.htm 


Best,

Jon


> On Dec 8, 2016, at 5:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m in no hurry.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a set but cannot put hands on them for awhile. When do you need them?
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2016 3:00 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Looking for a set of cores (5) to rebuild for the 82 300D.  Don’t have to
>>> be pretty, as I’ll replace the nozzles.
>>> 
>>> Drop me a PM if you’ve got some.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

2016-12-07 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Please show me your “stubborn FACTS.”


> On Dec 7, 2016, at 2:17 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
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> 
> The only brownshirts I've seen lately have been worn by democrat operatives
> such as Robert Creamer and Scott Foval. The narrative has been that Trump
> and his supporters incite violence, but the stubborn FACTS show that it was
> the democrats who have actually used these tactics.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 6:39 PM
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> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam
> 
> Alt right is the group that spreads fake news - much like yourself.  Brown
> shirt - look it up.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't own a brown shirt.  I don't know what alt-rite is.  Apparently it
>> is a slur manufactured by the CCF and the (J) party and the DNC (Debbie
>> balbbermouth)  I have nothing to do with fake news or any news.
>> 
>> You, sir, owned a brown car!  You must be suspect!
>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> December 6, 2016 at 8:05 PM
>>> You must be joking. I obviously meant you and all the other fake news
>>> brown shirts of the Alt Rite are pathetic.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Block Tester

2016-12-05 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Ah yes.  I forgot to mention the symptoms.

1.  I started to notice that I’d need just a little coolant now and then.  A 
pint or two now and then.

2.  Occasionally on cold start-up, I’d notice rapidly rising temperature with a 
cold thermostat and radiator.  This is being caused by an occasional air 
bubble.  Vigorous squeezing of the top radiator hose solved this problem.

3.  Occasionally on cold start-up, I’d notice that coolant was flowing out of 
the radiator overflow hose.  Again with a cold thermostat and radiator.

4.  And yes, occasionally when checking coolant when  cold, I notice a slight 
pffft when cracking the radiator cap.

I have found no trace of coolant in the engine oil.

Jon


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> 
> NAPA sells them, as do other FLAPS I'll bet, but I've never tried them.
> 
> When I was getting the classic symptom of a pressurized coolant system that
> stays pressurized overnight (The White Whale, a couple years ago), my
> thought was that the head crack or failed gasket was allowing pressurized
> gasses to be dissolved into the coolant when the engine was running.  These
> dissolved gasses are what the test strips from NAPA are designed to
> detect.  The gasses have effectively "carbonated" the coolant, like a can
> of seltzer water, and if the coolant pressure cap is performing correctly,
> it will hold the pressure in the system at 2 bar, but allow pressure beyond
> that to escape.
> 
> So, does your 250S cooling system stay pressurized overnight?
> 
> -----
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone ever tried one of these?  My ’68 250S is exhibiting some of the
>> symptoms which would lead me to believe that there might be an exhaust leak
>> into the coolant.  I’m wondering if it might be time to do a top-end
>> overhaul, as I know this car sat for at least 15 years.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
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[MBZ] Block Tester

2016-12-05 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Has anyone ever tried one of these?  My ’68 250S is exhibiting some of the 
symptoms which would lead me to believe that there might be an exhaust leak 
into the coolant.  I’m wondering if it might be time to do a top-end overhaul, 
as I know this car sat for at least 15 years.

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Re: [MBZ] AAA

2016-12-04 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I started when my oldest child started to drive.  I upgraded to the top level 
when I started driving the antiques long distances.  Money well spent as it 
keeps me in a comfort zone.

Jon


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> 
> After nearly 30 years of driving, after the blown up diff fiasco I finally 
> took the plunge and signed up for the top level AAA membership which includes 
> 5 tows per year, one of which can be 200 miles, rest are 100 miles. I added 
> my wife on as well for a total of 10.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 OE Taillight

2016-12-03 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
That’s a score!  I did the same when my rear bumper on the 2002 4Runner rusted 
through.  I went on line and some dealer in Arkansas had one in stock and 
wanted to get rid of it.  I think I paid $280 for the 3-piece bumper.

I’m going to look for some turn signal lenses.

Jon


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> wrote:
> 
> Lens.
> 
> 123 820 32 66 about $150 list.
> 
> http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/LENS/7427753/1238203266.html
> 
> I paid $69.00.
> 
> Oh my gosh, they only want $48.00 for the left lens!
> 
> https://parts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=store.sectionSearch=2=90668=ELECTRICAL=REAR%20LAMPS=TAIL%20LAMPS=Lens=Mercedes-Benz
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is it just the lens or the entire tail light?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Got the taillight from Parts.com tonight.
>>> 
>>> Mercedes box with the little silver hologram deals on it. Open it up, it's 
>>> the real deal!
>>> 
>>> Not bad. A $150 factory part for $68.00.  Somebody must have screwed up 
>>> somewhere
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

2016-12-01 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Might want to try Dimitri’s insurance company:  http://www.jctaylor.com/ 
<http://www.jctaylor.com/>


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Jon Agne <jonag...@gwi.net> wrote:
> 
> They are not good at on-line quotes.  Just call.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> When I attempted to do an online quote last night, the minimal value they 
>> listed was $25k. It wouldn't accept anything less.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jon Agne <jonag...@gwi.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is my contact:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Nicole Marketta
>>> Collector Vehicle Insurance Specialist
>>> Chubb Collector Car Insurance 
>>> 
>>> 202 Hall's Mill Road
>>> Whitehouse Station, NJ 08889
>>> USA
>>> 
>>> O 1-866-227-9648 ext 2362
>>> M 908-323-0096
>>> F 888-382-7115
>>> 
>>> ACE and Chubb are now one.
>>> 
>>> NONE of my vehicles are insured over $10k.
>>> 
>>> Jon
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I ran a quote on Hagerty and it was $337/year.  Chubb wanted to insure it 
>>>> for $25k, no less. 
>>>> 
>>>> That's silly.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll look into this more closely, as I may modify the quote from Hagerty 
>>>> for a higher mileage limit.
>>>> 
>>>> Dan
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use JC Taylor
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes 
>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hagerty is good as well.  I covered a wooden sailboat with them for 
>>>>>> years.  I thought Chubb was a better deal on the cars.  Dimitri uses 
>>>>>> someone else as I do not believe that Chubb writes in MA.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www2.chubb.com/us-en/individuals-families/Automobiles.aspx
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What is a Chubb collector policy?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

2016-12-01 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I know the seller.  He usually gets those prices for his cars.


> On Dec 1, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but will they collect?
> 
> I read something a while back about how a relatively high percentage of eBay 
> car sales never actually close since it's rather simple to back out of the 
> deal with no consequences.  Not sure how accurate that is, but my own 
> experiences there led me to believe there's some truth to it.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Check out the winning bid.
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/222323420475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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[MBZ] "84 300D eBay Auction

2016-12-01 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Check out the winning bid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222323420475?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a 300SEL 4.5?

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I looked up the paint code which was displayed in one of the photos.  It’s 
Gelb, or simply “Yellow.”  Checked it against a paint chart.  It matched.

This could be a very rare car due to it’s color.  Somebody here needs to scoop 
it up!

Jon


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Very rare - mustard (American).  Can't say I've ever seen that vile shade
> of yellow.  Someone needs to get in touch with the seller to get more info.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Dwight Giles <dwight.gi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Farmers on the list will recognize the color as calf scours yellow.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> 1982 300CD
>> 2005 E320 4 matic
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> On Nov 29, 2016 3:07 PM, "Dwight Giles" <dwight.gi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't say it on the list. 
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> 1982 300CD
>>> 2005 E320 4 matic
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016 1:45 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Color name or code?
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 29, 2016 12:47 PM, "Dwight Giles via Mercedes" <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Oh I thought it was,a Marco palette special.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>>>> 1982 300CD
>>>>> 2005 E320 4 matic
>>>>> Wickford RI
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 29, 2016 9:23 AM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The scary thing is that it was resprayed in the original color.  Who in
>>>>> their right mind would order that car in yellow?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Perfect color for a Beirut taxi cab….
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You actually could probably get $1700 worth of parts off of that car….
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Love the color.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:55 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5893249333.html
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> $1700 BAT
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Filter Crush Washer

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Hmmm.  I do not recall ever getting a crush washer with my Mann fuel filter.  I 
use WK716.  Just looked in to one of my boxes, and there was no washer.

Jon


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> 
> I have had problems with a leaky main fuel filter, but the Mann filter box
> includes the requisite washer.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>> Or the solution I like best is to install the clear standyne filter
>> between  the lift pump and the Main (second) (bigger) filter.   These are
>> available at any FLAPS, and John Deere dealer and many other places.  (just
>> ask for a JD 4020 filter) They filter out smaller particles than the main
>> filter and it is easy to see if you have black gunk and need biocide in the
>> tank.  It is also easy to see if you have water and need to drain the
>> filter.
>> 
>> Once this is done, you no longer need to change the main filter, except
>> maybe once every 20 years or so on principle.
>> 
>> Others advocate Racor filters, but they are not see through.  For this
>> reason, I prefer the Stanadyne (Roosa Master) Master Filter.
>> 
>> The newest JD i've had (70 HP Japanese yanmar) had a stanadyne fuel
>> manager filter.  It shut off the engine when water was detected in the
>> filter.  It is NOT see-through, so I still prefer the Master Filter.
>> 
>> Sample replacement filter:  (i have seen them as low as $12-13)
>> http://tinyurl.com/hk36z9u   Because of larger capacity,  They will last
>> as long as 2-3 MB main filters.   On the cars where I have installed one, I
>> have never needed to replace the filter, except every 20 years or so, on
>> principle.   A uses mounting bracket is going for about $35 on fleabay.
>> The first one I bought in 1972 cost about $70 for the complete unit, new.
>> (Filter, mounting base, and clip)
>> 
>> rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>> November 29, 2016 at 10:09 AM
>>> 
>>> For 20 years now, I've always used the copper washer on the secondary
>>> filter on both of my 617s. A few times, the filter came with an aluminum
>>> washer and it did NOT seal properly. I simply installed the copper washer
>>> and used my long box end wrench to tighten as much as I dared without
>>> risking stripping threads, etc. It has always worked for me. But I don't
>>> replace the secondary filter that often, but I replace the plastic primary
>>> more often. In my experience, the secondary only catches water.
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> Roger
>>> Roger Hale
>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>>> Monroe, Ga.
>>> 770-267-0850
>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Filter Crush Washer

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Last time I ordered from Tom at the Classic Center, I got a few.  You can get 
them.  You also can probably get one at Ace that works just as well.


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:16 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Source?
> 
> I have an MB part number I'm about to text to my parts guy, but I'm not 
> holding my breath. Looks like it might be NLA.  The size is 18mm x 21mm x 
> 1.5mm, I know that.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes.  That washer can be a pain.  That is the ONE place where you have to 
>> use a NEW washer every time.  I have learned that trying to reuse that 
>> washer, even though it looks perfect, does not work.  I use new washers, and 
>> have no more fuel seeps.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The 300D has the early style (crush washer, 1 O-ring) hollow bolt on the 
>>> fuel filter.  Since I changed it this past weekend the crush washer is 
>>> seeping.  It’s an aluminum crush washer, I might add.
>>> 
>>> Didn’t someone have issues with this in the past?  I’ve researched this and 
>>> found that a bunch of people are forgoing the crush washer for a composite 
>>> plumbing washer easily sources at Ace Hardware among other places.
>>> 
>>> I know you can update the filter head to the later two O-ring version, but 
>>> I really don’t want to mess with that.
>>> 
>>> I’ll get one of the composite washers tomorrow after work.  I may take the 
>>> aluminum crush washer off and lap it with some emery paper and a piece of  
>>> glass to flatten it out.  For some reason I was thinking there was an issue 
>>> with annealing them?
>>> 
>>> For now I’ll leave the car parked and drive the 350SDL tomorrow.  Nice to 
>>> have a backup.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a 300SEL 4.5?

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
The scary thing is that it was resprayed in the original color.  Who in their 
right mind would order that car in yellow?


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Perfect color for a Beirut taxi cab….
> 
> You actually could probably get $1700 worth of parts off of that car….
> 
> 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Love the color. 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:55 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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>>> 
>>> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5893249333.html
>>> 
>>> $1700 BAT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
They are not good at on-line quotes.  Just call.


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> When I attempted to do an online quote last night, the minimal value they 
> listed was $25k. It wouldn't accept anything less.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jon Agne <jonag...@gwi.net> wrote:
>> 
>> This is my contact:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Nicole Marketta
>> Collector Vehicle Insurance Specialist
>> Chubb Collector Car Insurance 
>> 
>> 202 Hall's Mill Road
>> Whitehouse Station, NJ 08889
>> USA
>> 
>> O 1-866-227-9648 ext 2362
>> M 908-323-0096
>> F 888-382-7115
>> 
>> ACE and Chubb are now one.
>> 
>> NONE of my vehicles are insured over $10k.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I ran a quote on Hagerty and it was $337/year.  Chubb wanted to insure it 
>>> for $25k, no less. 
>>> 
>>> That's silly.
>>> 
>>> I'll look into this more closely, as I may modify the quote from Hagerty 
>>> for a higher mileage limit.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I use JC Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hagerty is good as well.  I covered a wooden sailboat with them for 
>>>>> years.  I thought Chubb was a better deal on the cars.  Dimitri uses 
>>>>> someone else as I do not believe that Chubb writes in MA.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www2.chubb.com/us-en/individuals-families/Automobiles.aspx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What is a Chubb collector policy?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Filter Crush Washer

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Yes.  That washer can be a pain.  That is the ONE place where you have to use a 
NEW washer every time.  I have learned that trying to reuse that washer, even 
though it looks perfect, does not work.  I use new washers, and have no more 
fuel seeps.

Jon


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The 300D has the early style (crush washer, 1 O-ring) hollow bolt on the fuel 
> filter.  Since I changed it this past weekend the crush washer is seeping.  
> It’s an aluminum crush washer, I might add.
> 
> Didn’t someone have issues with this in the past?  I’ve researched this and 
> found that a bunch of people are forgoing the crush washer for a composite 
> plumbing washer easily sources at Ace Hardware among other places.
> 
> I know you can update the filter head to the later two O-ring version, but I 
> really don’t want to mess with that.
> 
> I’ll get one of the composite washers tomorrow after work.  I may take the 
> aluminum crush washer off and lap it with some emery paper and a piece of  
> glass to flatten it out.  For some reason I was thinking there was an issue 
> with annealing them?
> 
> For now I’ll leave the car parked and drive the 350SDL tomorrow.  Nice to 
> have a backup.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a 300SEL 4.5?

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Perfect color for a Beirut taxi cab….

You actually could probably get $1700 worth of parts off of that car….


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 6:33 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Love the color. 
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 12:55 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5893249333.html
>> 
>> $1700 BAT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
This is my contact:

 


Nicole Marketta
Collector Vehicle Insurance Specialist
Chubb Collector Car Insurance 

202 Hall's Mill Road
Whitehouse Station, NJ 08889
USA

O 1-866-227-9648 ext 2362
M 908-323-0096
F 888-382-7115

ACE and Chubb are now one.

NONE of my vehicles are insured over $10k.

Jon


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I ran a quote on Hagerty and it was $337/year.  Chubb wanted to insure it for 
> $25k, no less. 
> 
> That's silly.
> 
> I'll look into this more closely, as I may modify the quote from Hagerty for 
> a higher mileage limit.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I use JC Taylor
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 29, 2016, at 7:37 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hagerty is good as well.  I covered a wooden sailboat with them for years.  
>>> I thought Chubb was a better deal on the cars.  Dimitri uses someone else 
>>> as I do not believe that Chubb writes in MA.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www2.chubb.com/us-en/individuals-families/Automobiles.aspx
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is a Chubb collector policy?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Hagerty is good as well.  I covered a wooden sailboat with them for years.  I 
thought Chubb was a better deal on the cars.  Dimitri uses someone else as I do 
not believe that Chubb writes in MA.


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> https://www2.chubb.com/us-en/individuals-families/Automobiles.aspx
> 
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What is a Chubb collector policy?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

2016-11-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
No limits.  With Chubb, you must tell them they are garaged.  No mileage limit, 
agreed value.  They asked for photos of the first car I covered with them, 
since then, they do not care.  Insurance for my ’67 VW (agreed value $10k) was 
about 125/year.  The 250S added another $52 and the 300D added $87.  Those 
numbers are close.  Car has to be over 30 years old, and you have to have a 
primary driver other than the covered cars.

Painless.

Jon


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Jon,
> 
> Are there any limitations on the collector policies as far as miles per year 
> or type of driving?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>> USAA for me on house and ‘modern’ vehicles.  The 300D, 250S and ’67 VW all 
>> are a Chubb collector policy.
>> 
>> Jon
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

2016-11-28 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
USAA for me on house and ‘modern’ vehicles.  The 300D, 250S and ’67 VW all are 
a Chubb collector policy.

Jon


> On Nov 28, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> With the youngest son heading out of the house in the near future, I’ve been 
> giving some serious thought to reviewing our insurance situation, primarily 
> auto and umbrella coverages.  For years we’ve used mainline insurers, State 
> Farm for 30 years until they started screwing us, then to Allstate where 
> we’re currently at and happy with the service and coverage.
> 
> That being said, I’m wondering if I should shop this as well as consider 
> talking to an independent agent.  While I am not keen on feeding the 
> corporate animals, I also have some concerns about spreading my coverages 
> across multiple insurers and whether or not that savings will justify it.
> 
> My concern of late is that we seem to be paying an inordinate amount of money 
> for our umbrella policy, and I’m not sure why.  It could be due to the 
> youngster’s presence over time and I just haven’t paid that much attention to 
> it, but I want to be sure.
> 
> I would be interested in hearing anyone’s experiences in this vein, positive 
> or negative.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

2016-11-27 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I just noticed that they do not call it R-12A any longer.  It’s R-134A.  
Probably some rule about not being to replace anything in an R-12 system.

Jon


> On Nov 27, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Commercial grade propane. 
> It's the highest common everyday grade (refrigerant grade R-290 isn't that
> common)
> In most states not named California, HD5 is the only grade that's legal for 
> sale
> as home heating propane. 
> Mitch. 
> 
>> On November 27, 2016 at 11:07 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> What is "HD5"?
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/27/16 10:49 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>> That's the advantage of Cathey Special Blend.
>>> If it leaks, just add propane until the pressures are good again.
>>> 
>>> BTW, I was looking at Linde Gas this morning, and they claimed their R290
>>> was
>>> 97.5% propane. Any reason why I should pay dollars per pound for 97%
>>> refrigerant
>>> grade when I get pounds per dollar of HD5 which is guaranteed to be 90% or
>>> higher, with up to 5% butanes and methane and 5% propylene? I already have
>>> over
>>> 3000lb of HD5 in bulk (500 gallon) cylinders. The only thing that might be
>>> bothersome is the 0-5% propylene.
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
 On November 27, 2016 at 10:39 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
  wrote:
 
 
 I have tried this and duracool and I just do not like the blends. If you
 have
 any sort of leak at all the different elements leak at different rates
 which
 changes the mix and it does not cool.
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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

2016-11-27 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I have also used it with excellent results!  When the compressor blew on the 
123 (totally unrelated to the ES-12) the mech used good AC parts from a 
recently wrecked 300CD and filled with R-12. That was in 2013, and I have not 
had to charge since.

I had some cans left over, so Dimitri and I put it into his ’78 240D with a 
York compressor, and I think he had ice cold air for almost a week.  It leaked 
out.  That’s next summer’s project.

Jon


> On Nov 27, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve used the Industrial 12a-6 in my W126 and it did a great job.  My only 
> complaint was having to buy a case of the stuff as it was far cheaper than 
> just buying a few cans.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hopefully this isn’t too far OT, but has anyone here ever tried Envirosafe 
>> products?
>> 
>> http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/14/t/refrigerant
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 9:07 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't pre-mix.  You want ISO-butane.  Sold as high-altitude camping
>>> fuel.  If you could premix, I suspect you'd need to charge from the bottom
>>> of the bottle.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Test Refrigerant

2016-11-27 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Hopefully this isn’t too far OT, but has anyone here ever tried Envirosafe 
products?

http://www.es-refrigerants.com/products/w/id/14/t/refrigerant

Jon


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> 
> I don't pre-mix.  You want ISO-butane.  Sold as high-altitude camping
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Re: [MBZ] TD pharmaceutical abuser

2016-11-26 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I agree with you.  Whether we want to admit it or not, these cars are becoming 
desirable.  Witness Lady GaGa in her China Blue W123 in one of the recent 
issues of Star.  I live right next to a college dorm, and I get tons of 
compliments and interest from the students on my 123 and 108.  If you are lucky 
enough to have a 123 in good shape, keep taking car of it.

Jon



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> wrote:
> 
> They are worth whatever someone will pay for them - the number of new
> fangled gadgets and sophistication of the drive train do not enter into the
> equation. It's an emotional thing.

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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

2016-11-25 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
15% if you are a MBCA member.  If you need rubber parts, the Classic Center is 
the way to go.  If you are in the middle of the project, and NEED a part, it’s 
there the next day, and I live in Maine.  Excellent service.

Jon

’85 300D
’68 250S


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Mercedes has a “Classic Center” in Irvine, CA, that sells parts for older 
> cars, and will sometimes resurrect an NLA part if there’s enough interest.  
> Tom Hanson is the main parts guy, but recently I’ve been in contact with one 
> of his peers there, Jon Siggson.  You can email Jon directly with an inquiry 
> about the lug bolts at:
> 
> jon.sigg...@mbusa.com
> 
> A lot of people buy stuff from the Classic Center, but I’ve never quite 
> figured out why unless they’re getting a discount, as nearly anything the 
> Classic Center sells is in the same system as the dealers and readily 
> available from them, too.
> 
> Too bad OTIS doesn’t have anything - they’re are the bomb when it comes to 
> sourcing very high quality wheel bolts.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone expand on the info re "Tom, at the classic center" in order to 
>> purchase these lug bolts?  I tried the link to "https://www.otisincla.com ", 
>> but they told me they do not handle these any longer.  So I am still trying 
>> to get some.  I was hoping not to have to purchase a lot consisting of 20 
>> bolts, but rather just purchase the 6 that I currently need, but I may have 
>> to resort to getting the lot thru ebay, or elsewhere.  So be it.ThanksRalph  
>>   
>> 
>>   On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ralph,
>> 
>> You have two choices:
>> 
>> Buy replacements from the dealer.  These will have the plastic caps on the 
>> tops of the bolts that yours are missing - these are not service parts.
>> 
>> Contact https://www.otisincla.com  and give them 
>> the dimensions.  These guys are the Gods of Lug bolts and can pretty well 
>> source anything you could ever want.  They won’t be cheap, but they’ll be 
>> very high quality and won’t have the plastic caps, but solid ends.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
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>>> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the 
>>> car have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one 
>>> could buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt 
>>> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that 
>>> is the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a 
>>> ruler that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom 
>>> thread to the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I 
>>> could purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or 
>>> bolts.  Thanks
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Re: [MBZ] W123 Parts

2016-11-23 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Do you have a right door mirror glass?

Jon


> On Nov 22, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have sold tons of those over the years, not sure if I have any left but if 
> you have some local for that price I would just go that route 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Got a good right real taillight that’s not cracked or broken?  How much 
>> shipped?
>> 
>> I just looked at Car-Part.com and there are at least 7 of them within 10 
>> miles of me!  Prices are $50-$75.
>> 
>> Amazing.  I had no idea there were any knackers around here with old cars - 
>> LKQ is the big player and they don’t have spit.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a shit load of 123 parts, an absolute shit load. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] hijacked Re: Let the...

2016-11-20 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
You forgot CONSERVAT……

Just saying……

> On Nov 20, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Easily summed by the rushbo:  -ism = lunacy   You can plug in the prefix of 
> choice (progress, liberal, marx, social, commun)
> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > >
>> November 20, 2016 at 3:53 PM
>> I have too, even quit really reading the paper or watching the PBS news 
>> which I used to watch every evening (mostly because I hate the stupid 
>> commercial TV and it comes on at a convenient time).  I could let the 
>> obvious bias slide, it was just part of the package, but now it is more like 
>> propaganda and it is off-putting.  I see this whole thing being very 
>> corrosive, politics in general this year, to our social order.  I have 
>> family and friends who seriously are grieving over it all and are 
>> emotionally disrupted in thinking about it because sH->e didn't win (or 
>> won't get the electoral vote, sH->e apparently is ahead in straight votes so 
>> that has them in a tizzy too).  It's like a constant drain on their energy 
>> thinking about it and has them cranky and angry and sad and all the other 
>> stuff.
>> 
>> It really hurts me to see that, I don't really get it and wish I could 
>> somehow make it all go away and get them all back to the people I knew a 
>> month or two ago, even with the differences we had.  It is impossible to 
>> talk to them about it, I would have to be in mourning too to have a cry-fest 
>> or something and plot the revolution, Stand Strong against The Don or 
>> something.  And I was not particularly enamored with the "winner" so I 
>> didn't really have much enthusiasm for it all, but I am cast as "winner" 
>> (and racistbigothomophobexenophobemisogynist) too since I did not like 
>> H->er, and that puts me as an enemy or something. It hurts.
>> 
>> I know 8 years ago there were a lot of people who were upset about the 
>> election outcome, and there was a fair amount of trash talk and such, but 
>> this time around it is way way more.  I don't recall nearly as much 
>> animosity and downright hatred as I am seeing here, even though there were 
>> some fairly settled opinions on the matter and some ongoing strong feelings 
>> and opposition. And the hatred is coming from people who just want us all to 
>> love one another and get along and such, except if we are on different 
>> "sides."  Perplexing.
>> 
>> I hope it all dies down in a few weeks, and life gets back to whatever 
>> passes for normal these days.  I doubt if it will, but I hope so, and I 
>> honestly hope the new guy sorta gets down to business such that it will be 
>> good for everyone, whatever their orientations, and the election trash talk 
>> subsides.  I was actually, for maybe the first time, quite pleased with 
>> BHO's pronouncements on the matter, it showed a fair amount of integrity on 
>> the issue.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes > >
>> November 20, 2016 at 3:25 PM
>> I've decided I have to stop listening to NPR. As near as I can tell 
>> everything else in the world has stopped since all they talk about is 
>> Trump...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> From: Max Dillon via Mercedes > >
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >
>> Cc: Max Dillon >
>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Let the Martha'ing Begin!
>> 
>> Please no!
>> 
>> I'm going to start a charity, donate in order to end discussions about trump.
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes > >
>> November 20, 2016 at 2:57 PM
>> Please no!
>> 
>> I'm going to start a charity, donate in order to end discussions about trump.
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes > >
>> November 20, 2016 at 1:47 PM
>> Wipe down the finish with 50/50 dilute isopropyl alcohol, otherwise known in 
>> detailing circles as IPA. This gets any remaining dirt and wax off the 
>> finish that might interfere with the polishing or finishing.
>> 
>> All of the trim has been scrubbed clean in hot soapy water and rinsed. All 
>> of the “red berries” were removed successfully. The bumpers were cleaned as 
>> well, and the metal support pieces used to hold the front bumper ends were 
>> washed, dried, and painted with black Rustoleum and are now drying.
>> 
>> I have to make a Costco run to get some pantry items before the week starts, 
>> so I’ll use that time for everything to dry well, then when I return the car 
>> will come into the garage and I’ll begin the finish recovery.
>> 
>> And now back to your regular OkieBenz programming…
>> 
>> Dan/Martha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Flat breather hose.

2016-11-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I’ve also never had a problem with FCPEuro.

Jon


> On Nov 17, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> FCPEuro has been my supplier of choice when necessary. They do a great job, 
> and I even get occasional follow ups from their customer service people.
> 
> $50 free shipping, cheaper than AutohausAZ, too. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dan.
>> 
>> Meyle $13 from Autohausaz, and others.
>> 
>> 
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dan--- via 
>> Mercedes 
>> Sent: 17 November 2016 14:52
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Flat breather hose.
>> 
>> Maybe I'm remembering this from my 300SD rather than my 300TD.
>> 
>> MB has a crappy drawing that in no way resembles this part (and they want 
>> $60 list for it, too.)
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Yes, thank you for that web link, Jaime.  Bulbs are on order.

Jon


> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
> sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.
> 
> If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
> http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
> 
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Jaime! I looked at a set on Stern's web site the other day and
>> they were lots more. I haven't really done anything since then. Cosmetics
>> are low on the list right now, I want to get all the mechanicals sorted
>> first.
>> 
>> Mitch, are the Hellas functionally the same? The Cibies do not come with
>> lamps, but quality lamps are cheap. Just like you to come up with a cheaper
>> alternative. Thank you!
>> 
>> I've got everything necessary for relay upgrades, too. I was thinking
>> about doing it on the W126, but the Euro headlights do such a great job I
>> don't really feel the need to do relays on it so maybe I'll do them on the
>> W123. And it's got the nice relay box on the inner fender that makes for a
>> really clean installation, too.
>> 
>> On a sort of related note, I was able to determine that the rockers are
>> painted DB-129, which is a dark gray color. Again, this is low on the list,
>> but is a cheap and easy thing that will really enhance the visuals of the
>> car.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the
>> Cibies were
>>> $25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping.
>>> E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a Saab
>> 900 when
>>> they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference.
>>> Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
 On November 17, 2016 at 8:37 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 
 Hi Dan,
 
 7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
 https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/
>> B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440
 
 The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
> Jon,
> 
> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I
>> might
> ask?
> 
> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
> 
> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but
>> I've
> used both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per
> tank fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive,
> around $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a
>> buck
> a tank.  I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is
>> cheaper
> than buying a case online.
> 
> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
> 
> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on
>> the
> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and
>> there's
> no dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying
>> working
> on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather
>> than
> avoid like with the W140s...
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>> Bravo!  I love days like that!
>> 
>> There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123
>> and
> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri
>> worked
> some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the
>> whole
> car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in
>> the
> original color “Desert Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors
> before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right
>> rear
> quarter, and the original paint was so thin you could see primer in
>> places.
>> 
>> I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on
> the bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference.  Today, I’ll replace
>> the
> left fog light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.  The
> windshield guy is also coming today to replace the original and the
>> trunk
> seal.  Yes, I have the MB seals….I learned that lesson a long time ago.
> Thank you, Jaime.
>> 
>> Later this week I’ll get the car fluid filmed (in all the right
> places).  I used to do this, but my friend has a gun and shoots out of
>> a
> 5-gallon can with the car on a lift.  

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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
The Bosch 7” lamps are garbage compared to Hella and Cibie.  That’s what I took 
off for the Cibie’s.  I’m convinced a regular sealed beam would outperform the 
Bosch.

Jon


> On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Hella big round headlights (110,114/5, 123) are GREAT.  I started using them 
> in about 1974.  Even one per vehicle helps a lot.  The advantage of the 
> second is negligible.  On many cars and vans, I put one on the right to save 
> money.  With normal wattage, no relay needed.   I'd not put a frog light on 
> my MB.  Boach or Hella for me!
> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> November 17, 2016 at 8:34 AM
>> Thanks, Jaime! I looked at a set on Stern's web site the other day and they 
>> were lots more. I haven't really done anything since then. Cosmetics are low 
>> on the list right now, I want to get all the mechanicals sorted first.
>> 
>> Mitch, are the Hellas functionally the same? The Cibies do not come with 
>> lamps, but quality lamps are cheap. Just like you to come up with a cheaper 
>> alternative. Thank you!
>> 
>> I've got everything necessary for relay upgrades, too. I was thinking about 
>> doing it on the W126, but the Euro headlights do such a great job I don't 
>> really feel the need to do relays on it so maybe I'll do them on the W123. 
>> And it's got the nice relay box on the inner fender that makes for a really 
>> clean installation, too.
>> 
>> On a sort of related note, I was able to determine that the rockers are 
>> painted DB-129, which is a dark gray color. Again, this is low on the list, 
>> but is a cheap and easy thing that will really enhance the visuals of the 
>> car.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
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>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> November 17, 2016 at 8:11 AM
>> I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the Cibies 
>> were
>> $25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping.
>> E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a Saab 900 
>> when
>> they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference.
>> Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
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>> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> November 17, 2016 at 7:37 AM
>> Hi Dan,
>> 
>> 7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440
>> 
>> The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> 
>> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> November 16, 2016 at 8:49 AM
>> Jon,
>> 
>> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I might 
>> ask?
>> 
>> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
>> 
>> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but I've 
>> used both. After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per tank 
>> fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive, around 
>> $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a buck a tank. 
>> I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is cheaper than buying 
>> a case online.
>> 
>> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
>> 
>> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on the 
>> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and there's 
>> no dealing with electronics, it's all analog. I am really enjoying working 
>> on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather than 
>> avoid like with the W140s...
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>> 
>&

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-16 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Bravo!  I love days like that!

There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123 and W108.  
Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri worked some of his 
welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the whole car sprayed in a 
very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in the original color “Desert 
Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors before due to a incident with 
a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right rear quarter, and the original paint 
was so thin you could see primer in places.

I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on the 
bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference.  Today, I’ll replace the left fog 
light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.  The windshield guy is 
also coming today to replace the original and the trunk seal.  Yes, I have the 
MB seals….I learned that lesson a long time ago.  Thank you, Jaime.

Later this week I’ll get the car fluid filmed (in all the right places).  I 
used to do this, but my friend has a gun and shoots out of a 5-gallon can with 
the car on a lift.  Painless!!!

Diesel Purge is great stuff.  I always fill the new fuel filter with it because 
I never think to get diesel in advance of working on the car.

It’s been warm so far this year, but cold is just around the corner.  I am 
going to prep small bottles of Howes Diesel Conditioner for winter use.  
Thinking of switching to Stanadyne after this bottle is exhausted

Happy Wrenching!

Jon


> On Nov 15, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Got home from work, took care of some domestic stuff, starting the oil sucker 
> before I began.
> 
> Changed oil (Delo 400 LE 15W40) and installed a Mann oil filter.  There was a 
> spare Mann filter with the car, but when I took it out of the box and 
> inspected it the bottom rolled edge of the metal part was rusted or corroded. 
>  No way I was putting that into the engine, so my shelf spare went in.  
> Always good to have a spare!
> 
> Removed the air cleaner and found one of the buffers broken.  The metal 
> cups/heat shields were all still there, which was nice to see.  I used one of 
> my $6.00 M119 air cleaner buffers (MB part #1039880111, $6.00 list) that I 
> suspected were the same and it was.  It’s possible they’re slight slightly 
> taller than the W123 part, but that would be the only difference.  Someone 
> had already trimmed the inlet elbow edge off, so the sealing ring came out 
> easy and was still nice and pliable, so no need to replace it.
> 
> With the air cleaner out, I pulled the banjo bolt on the back of the intake 
> out and cleaned it.  It was pretty clear with just a little bit of crud in 
> it. This car will stand up on it’s hind legs without hardly any effort so I’m 
> sure the line isn’t plugged, but I’ll check it this weekend when I have more 
> time.  I also noticed the ALDA is still sealed.
> 
> O-ring on the air cleaner drain tube could stand to be replaced - it’s NLA, 
> but the oil dipstick O-ring is the same size and it’s still available.  
> Another item for the parts list to call in tomorrow.
> 
> Changed the two O-rings on the filter tube (thanks, Curley!) and got four 
> quarts in through the filter housing.  Put the new Mann filter in and closed 
> things up.  Got another two quarts into it to hit the mid point of the 
> dipstick and all was well.
> 
> Cleaned the battery terminals and ground cable.  Put some protective goo on 
> the terminals.
> 
> Took it for a quick ride up to Advance Auto to pick up an online order for 
> some rust neutralizer I had sitting there.  Ran great with no problems.
> 
> Some observations:
> 
> Vacuum levers on the throttle linkage on the top of the valve cover are 
> nearly worn away.  I wonder if they’re still available?
> 
> Cigar hose is cracked right near where it connects to the filter housing.  
> Not leaking, but the hose is pretty hard.  Another parts order item.
> 
> Would like to find one of the “flat” one piece breather tubes to replace the 
> awful conglomeration of tubes, rubber elbows, clamps, etc. that are in place 
> now.  I remember well when MB came out with the one piece flat rubber tube - 
> it’s still in the EPC but doesn’t appear to be available any longer.
> 
> Spring for holding power steering filter in place is gone.  Another item for 
> the morning’s parts order.
> 
> Just got a can of Diesel Purge tonight in UPS.  I was going to do a purge and 
> fuel filters tomorrow, but with the cigar hose in questionable condition I 
> may wait until I have the new hose.
> 
> Rockers are faded.  I’m wondering what color paint they were?  They weren’t 
> black, more of a dark gray.  Easy/cheap fix and makes it look much nicer.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] My new wheels

2016-11-12 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Very, very nice!!!


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> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc:
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> My new wheels. 2005 E320 4 matic. Going to dark (gasser] side. Traded with
> clam cake,Sam from chowdahQ.
> 1 owner b4 he bought it 4 months ago.
> Gave him my 300D 2.5t' as part of trade which i bought from him 11 years
> ago.
> Nice. Mint. 137k miles
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody should jump on this

2016-11-05 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
SW Missouri phone line.


> On Nov 5, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> It's probably about 30-45 minutes away from me
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 5, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
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>> More ideas,
>> Kaleb or someone needs to set eyeballs on this to make sure this is not 
>> vapor.
>> Instead of FL - WA excursion, something should happen.
>> Someone here needs this car - its gotta stay in the family.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] 114 reasons to vote for Hillary. A gift for Andrew

2016-10-24 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3c64j2DPE=RDkO4DPI1hegc=2 



> On Oct 23, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And she calls us deplorable? Har hardy har har.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 22, 2016, at 1:07 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoE73WNoCXo
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: A message from Queen Elizabeth to the USA

2016-10-24 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Don’t forget Rep. Henry Hyde, R-IL.  Hyde was the House manager for the 
impeachment trial of WJC which he pursued with zeal.  Hyde forgot to mention 
that he had a 5-year affair with a younger woman earlier in his Congressional 
career.  Irony.


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nixon's only real crime was being paranoid. If he'd sold out a couple of the 
> low level burglars he'd have been fine. A lesson WJ Clinton didn't learn when 
> he said "It depends on what your definition of is is." Most reasonable people 
> don't really care what other adults do on their own time.
> The irony of Clinton being impeached by that worm Newt Gingrich while that 
> slimeball was asking his dying wife for an open marriage kills me...
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: A message from Queen Elizabeth to the USA
> 
> Nixon was a boy Scout,  possibly an Eagle scout compared to HRH H=>  
> (road to Hell)  The bumbling burglars killed no o ne.  I thought they 
> were hired by the party, not the Prez.  A few minutes of blank tape is 
> nothing compared to 30,000 emails, not to mention the seemingly endless 
> list of felonies committed.  Never before has a candidate for prez been 
> so unworthy of even the loowest level of security clearance, like 
> for changing the toilet paper o n a military base restroom.
> 
> Nixon was not a crook.  He stole nothing.  H=> (road to hell) is a 
> croook.  she stole furniture from the white house.  She stole furniture 
> from the Dept of state.  and tha tis just the petty stuff.
>> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
>> October 23, 2016 at 10:26 AM
>> Dwight.
>> 
>> As a person inelligible to vote I just thought that a giggle or two 
>> would ease the pain of watching a slow motion train wreck of all that 
>> we hold dear.
>> 
>> Nixon was not a crook. He said so!
>> 
>> TTFN
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: OT Mercedes battery question

2016-10-21 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Optima Red Top.  I think I got mine at NAPA on sale about 3-4 years ago.  These 
are the best batteries I have ever owned.

Jon


> On Oct 20, 2016, at 3:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> To be precise:-
> 
> Marine Blue 929
> 
> 
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Fred Moir via 
> Mercedes 
> Sent: 20 October 2016 19:48
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mercedes battery question
> 
> Blau
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

2016-10-20 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Curley,  it is a FACT that it is widely speculated.  Exactly as I wrote it.


> On Oct 20, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Fact: speculation is far from fact RE: FACT: It is widely speculated that 
> wikileaks has been forging emails.
> 
>> Jon Agne via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>> <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
>> October 20, 2016 at 8:44 AM
>> Roger,
>> 
>> Wikileaks: Now there’s a credible news source, NOT. You say you like facts. 
>> Here are some to consider.
>> 
>> FACT: It is widely speculated that wikileaks has been forging emails.
>> 
>> FACT: Since 2012, Assange has been forced to live in the Ecuadorian embassy 
>> in London to avoid sexual assault charges in his native Sweden.
>> 
>> FACT: Assange is currently being investigated for sending pornographic 
>> material to an 8 year child via the internet.
>> 
>> FACT: Assange is on record saying that he wants to derail Hillary’s 
>> political career, and will do anything to accomplish that.
>> 
>> Please, can we stop putting labels on fellow forum members. We are all on 
>> this listserv for our common interest in all things Mecerceds. Let’s stick 
>> with that an enjoy or common passion.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
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>> October 19, 2016 at 5:06 PM
>> Well, if anyone has been following the DNC etal Wikileaks emails, you'll 
>> understand why there will be voter fraud. In the past it was harder when 
>> there was a paper trail, but now with mostly computers, the fraud will be 
>> easier, especially where IDs etc have been ruled against by liberal 
>> judges/courts. I trust a lot of Americans, I just rarely trust self 
>> centered, self serving ultra liberals. When the Clown News Network tells 
>> people not to read the Wikileaks emails, but wait for CNN to tell you what 
>> they meanthat is pretty low news / journalism...if you can call it that. 
>> I personally witnessed vote buying by the Democrat Party when I was a child. 
>> And I haven't seen a moral or ethical upswing in the DNC over the decades 
>> that I've been alive. Being a scientist or believing in statistics is no 
>> guarantee of a correct outcome. And I'd much rather have the facts than the 
>> truth.
>> Again, just my opinion. As I've gotten older, I've seen too much to blindly 
>> trust too much.
>> Best Wishes,
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Re: [MBZ] 2.3 Liter 4 Cylinder?

2016-10-20 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Roger,

Wikileaks:  Now there’s a credible news source, NOT.  You say you like facts.  
Here are some to consider.
  
FACT:  It is widely speculated that wikileaks has been forging emails.   

FACT:  Since 2012, Assange has been forced to live in the Ecuadorian embassy in 
London to avoid sexual assault charges in his native Sweden.

FACT:  Assange is currently being investigated for sending pornographic 
material to an 8 year child via the internet.

FACT:  Assange is on record saying that he wants to derail Hillary’s political 
career, and will do anything to accomplish that.

Please, can we stop putting labels on fellow forum members.  We are all on this 
listserv for our common interest in all things Mecerceds.  Let’s stick with 
that an enjoy or common passion.

Jon


> On Oct 19, 2016, at 6:06 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, if anyone has been following the DNC etal Wikileaks emails, you'll 
> understand why there will be voter fraud. In the past it was harder when 
> there was a paper trail, but now with mostly computers, the fraud will be 
> easier, especially where IDs etc have been ruled against by liberal 
> judges/courts. I trust a lot of Americans, I just rarely trust self centered, 
> self serving ultra liberals. When the Clown News Network tells people not to 
> read the Wikileaks emails, but wait for CNN to tell you what they 
> meanthat is pretty low news / journalism...if you can call it that. I 
> personally witnessed vote buying by the Democrat Party when I was a child. 
> And I haven't seen a moral or ethical upswing in the DNC over the decades 
> that I've been alive. Being a scientist or believing in statistics is no 
> guarantee of a correct outcome. And I'd much rather have the facts than the 
> truth. 
> Again, just my opinion. As I've gotten older, I've seen too much to blindly 
> trust too much. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] POLL: what mind altering substance was involved in the posting of this ad.

2016-10-16 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Weed wouldn’t do that.  Maybe he was cruising “Lake Shore Drive?”


> On Oct 14, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
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> 116 ounces of weed?
> 
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>> 
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>> http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5827763144.html
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Re: [MBZ] Wow. Does it ever end with this creep!

2016-10-14 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Which creep?


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Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D

2016-10-14 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Yes, what Wilt says.  It;s an easy job.  Just order the cylinder from MB.

Jon


> On Oct 13, 2016, at 7:34 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
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> 
> Better to have new tumbler ready when ya turn it and take about 20 seconds to 
> slip old one out and slip new one in.
> 
> Wilt
> 
> - Original Message - From: "clay via Mercedes" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "clay" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Ignition Switch Issue 95 E300D
> 
> 
>> +1 on that method.  It took me a week of Tri-flow and the buzzy sander on 
>> the key head to give me one last turn of the key on the R107.  Once fired 
>> up, drive directly to a reputable lock smith
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 
>> retired models-
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You're going to wish you'd never turned it to "lock" when it didn't want to 
>>> go.
>>> Wilton got lucky, attached his key to a vibrating detail sander and buzzed 
>>> the
>>> cylinder wafers into the 'unlocked' position one last time so he could 
>>> remove
>>> the cylinder.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 280S on BAT sold

2016-10-11 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
And my 250S, although it is not for sale! :-)

Winter storage arrangements have been made and the date is creeping up ever so 
quickly. :-(

I really want to do some work on my carbs.  The car is running fantastic except 
for a hesitation while accelerating at low speeds.  I checked the accelerator 
pumps, and as I feared, they just dribble fuel.  Real Mercedes pumps are about 
$140 each IF you can find them.  BMW used the Zenith 35/40 INAT carbs on 
numerous models.  You can order the pumps from just about any dealer on-line 
and they cost between $35-40.  Only snag is that they come from Germany so it’s 
about 10-14 days delivery.

Maybe I’ll take the carbs off after she goes into the barn.  That way I will 
not be rushed and it’ll give me something to do after the snow flies.

Jon


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> 
> This is great... makes me feel like I can get back what I'm putting into my
> 250S
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 10, 2016, Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> For big bux!
>> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/
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Re: [MBZ] W108 1970 280S on BAT

2016-10-06 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Bump:  http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280/ 



> On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Color?
> 
> On Oct 5, 2016 7:31 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It looks like a pretty nice car... the undercarriage photos are very nice.
>> 
>> I'll be watching this closely, as I plan to put the 250S I'm working on now
>> up there eventually to sell.  Engine should be back from the machine shop
>> this week.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I sincerely doubt ANY 280S would be worth that much now - even in tobacco
>>> brown, one owner, and unmolested.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Mileage is irrelevant at the price point we think it will sell. If
>> truly
 17K and documented sans rust and otherwise good condition it would be a
>>> 20K
 car
 
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> On Oct 4, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I didn't see the low mileage. Did they say they could document it?
> 
> On Oct 4, 2016 1:27 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> 
> wrote:
> 
>> These engines commonly fail in the margins between the cylinder
>> pairs.
>> The metal in these areas is very narrow, and due to the presence of
>> a
>> coolant passage they tend to develop corrosion and even indications
>> of
>> cavitation under some circumstances.  They start to leak between the
>> cylinders, and as the head gasket fails, coolant makes it’s way into
>>> the
>> cylinders.
>> 
>> Just ask Jaime about this…
>> 
>> I could see worn guides as well, especially if the engine had over
>> 125k-150k on it.  I’ve owned a number of these in different chassis’
>>> and
>> they’re great engines when set up properly.  This is a known area of
>> weakness that you just have to be aware of so it doesn’t become
>> catastrophic.
>> 
>> If they did valve guides on the BAT car it’s an indicator that the
 mileage
>> is inaccurate.  I find it near impossible to believe that it would
>>> need
>> guides after such little mileage.  Head failure I could maybe
 understand as
>> it could be attributed to the storage.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Top end rebuilt could have been for worn valve guides.
>>> 
>>> Rocker panel rust is not terminal unless the car is worthless and
>>> even
>> then some people like me will do it on even a measly 240D!
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Trump won

2016-09-27 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Well Roger,

I have reached the stage in my life where I do not care of you are a Democrat 
or Republican or Libertarian.  I do not care what religion you practice, or if 
you practice religion at all.  I do not care if your skin color is white, 
green, red, blue, black, yellow or purple.  All I care about is whether or not 
a person is an a** or not.

I am very happy that you a have spent your entire life in the business world.  
I spent the first 12 years after college in the service of my country in one 
capacity or another, and after that I became a pilot for a major US airline.  I 
can assure you that I know all about character, morals and integrity.

If anyone is going to impugn my character, morals and integrity, or a friend’s 
character, morals or integrity WITHOUT knowing anything at all about me or 
them, then that person is indeed foolish.  In fact, I would say that person is 
a moron, lacking in sound judgement, and probably a coward as well.  

Jon Agne

> On Sep 27, 2016, at 9:46 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Jon, 
> Yes I did. Having spent my entire life in the business world, I've come to 
> have a low opinion of greedy and dishonest people of low character. Hillary 
> has been that way her entire life. People don't have to support Hillary and 
> her evil ways, but some do. I don't agree with those who support her. She 
> thinks I'm deplorable for supporting Trump. I can have the same opinion about 
> her supporters. If you support her, that's fine. But neither of us will ever 
> set down to dinner together. 
> Best Wishes and support whomever you want, 
> Roger 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Trump won

2016-09-27 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Did you really mean to say that in writing?


> On Sep 27, 2016, at 4:34 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Max, 
> According to the online AOL poll, Hillary won. This poll from a source that 
> no longer allows comments on news stories because Hillary was taking a 
> beating. This source run by AH, Soros' "hoe" of news sources. I don't trust 
> any polls and I worry about the upcoming elections because computers are too 
> easy to hack and change. I've come to realize that anyone who can support 
> Hillary lacks morals, integrity, character, and several other qualities. Just 
> my opinion. 
> Best Wishes, 
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ

2016-09-09 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
My thought was, “Better lucky, than good!”   Haha!


> On Sep 9, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> Wear your brown trousers, yer good ta go.
> 
> --FT
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> 
> On 9/9/16 7:27 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
>> I once flew into Souda Bay, Crete….did a 300’/300kt break in a P-3.  
>> Also flew a Navy T-34B up to my favorite restaurant in Wisconsin from NAS 
>> Glenview.  I had only been there for lunch previously, but I wanted the 
>> breakfast.  Short grass strip.  Morning dew is like ice…..stopped with 
>> just enough room to turn around.  The locals were “impressed.”  I needed 
>> new shorts.
>> 
>> The 250S is prepped and waiting.  Alas, no Rhode Island Chowder this year.
>> 
>> Looking forward to seeing my fellow MB crazies.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jon wrote:
>>>> It made a low pass and could not find adequate room for a landing….
>>> ... from a guy that knows low pass, correct? - you are pilot?
>>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ

2016-09-09 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I once flew into Souda Bay, Crete….did a 300’/300kt break in a P-3.  Also flew 
a Navy T-34B up to my favorite restaurant in Wisconsin from NAS Glenview.  I 
had only been there for lunch previously, but I wanted the breakfast.  Short 
grass strip.  Morning dew is like ice…..stopped with just enough room to turn 
around.  The locals were “impressed.”  I needed new shorts.

The 250S is prepped and waiting.  Alas, no Rhode Island Chowder this year.

Looking forward to seeing my fellow MB crazies.

Jon


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> Jon wrote:
>> It made a low pass and could not find adequate room for a landing….
> 
> ... from a guy that knows low pass, correct? - you are pilot?
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ

2016-09-09 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
It made a low pass and could not find adequate room for a landing….


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> My airplane ticket never arrived 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 4:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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>> Remember to take lots of photos and post them so the rest of us can share in 
>> the fun - belatedly.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] what time is the Q tomorrow?

2016-09-09 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Looking to arrive around 1030-1100.  :-)

> On Sep 9, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> I'll get there around 9:30 or 10am to start the Q, people generally start 
> showing up around 11. Theres lots of BSing, hoods are raised, rides are taken 
> in cars. We eat around 1pm. The Q takes 3 hours of slow cooking in a (well 
> two) dutch ovens.
> -Curt
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>  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> Subject: [MBZ] what time is the Q tomorrow?
> 
> I will undertake to raise a cold one in tribute to you all.
> 
> Wish I could be there.
> 
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[MBZ] '69 250 W115

2016-09-02 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Not mine.

http://capecod.craigslist.org/cto/5706226852.html

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Re: [MBZ] Cool old 280S

2016-08-31 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
My ’68 250S gets about 17 mpg (average driving, town and road) with Zenith’s.   
If I drive over 70-75 or around town only, it’s a little less.

Once mine were set up properly, I’ve had no problems.

Jon


> On Aug 31, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> IMO, the W115 coupes of that era are no-design cars of little visual
> appeal, unexciting performance, lack of interior comfort, and
> correspondingly limited collectibility. There are some who swoon over
> these  cars but theirs is a small, inbred community.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> 
>> A pair of Zenith carbs, properly adjusted and balanced, will make a 250C
>> pull stumps.
>> 
>> "Normal" mileage in a 250C with properly set up carbs was in the low to
>> mid teens. I don't think I ever got better than 14-15 mpg in my 1979 250C
>> on the highway. Average was a little lower in the city.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How wonderful was the mileage when the carbs WERE properly tuned?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 My old 250 ran great when the carbs were in tune.  But, it got very
 difficult to find somebody that could set them up right.  When they were
 out of sync or tune or whatever the word is, the mileage was awful!
 
 Don Snook
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Curley McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 1:33 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cool old 280S
 
 Larry has webers for it.
 
 Dan and Jaime love the Zeniths
 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  August
> 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM Forget about it. You want the 280SE with EFI. Much
> better fuel delivery system.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Holy mother of god

2016-08-30 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I have a green leather interior from a W108 that someone can have for not much 
$$$.


> On Aug 30, 2016, at 8:06 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> Yes but not all mb tex colors are still available. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There are several vendors that sell the covers. World upholstery for one
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 1:04 AM, clay via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am fairly certain there are no MB Tex or Leather seat covers to be had.  
>>> If you were of a mind to get el cheepo Tex in good condition, maybe a spray 
>>> would be the way to go for the Green to come back.  I am stuck with my 
>>> leather seats in the 107, since there is nobody who makes leather that 
>>> color of fashion anymore.
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I am just shocked at what appears to be an otherwise very very nice car 
 somebody would have these horrible cheap seat covers put on in place of 
 the factory covers.  If the price was right it would be worth trying to 
 locate the real replacements.
 
> On 8/27/2016 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I was all prepared to come up with the cash to buy this until I saw the 
> horrible seat covers
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Standard-/191954883296?forcerrptr=true=item2cb16712e0:g:PuYAAOSwqfNXjNy3=191954883296
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Re: [MBZ] Holy mother of god

2016-08-29 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I missed the link.  Any chance of a re-post?


> On Aug 28, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> Yup, even the seats are GREEN!   It is calling you"Kaleb!  Kaleb!!   
> Kaleb!!!Kaaaleb  Kaleb, can you hear me??  I am Green!  I am 
> simple!  I am OM616!   Kaaaleb?Kleb!"
> 
>> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> August 28, 2016 at 8:39 PM
>> But you like green, Kaleb.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 1982 300SD AC Question

2016-08-14 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
You really cannot tell by feel what’s going on in the AC system without hooking 
up the gauges.  Could be low refrigerant.


> On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:04 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
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> I noticed the AC on my 300SD wasn't cooling today.  This car had not been
> run for months.  The line from the compressor to the radiator was quite hot
> but the top of the AC radiator was barely warm.  The bottom of the radiator
> was cold and the receiver-dryer (and everything downstream) was cold.  
> 
> For those with more hands-on experience:  Is this likely a stuck expansion
> valve?  A plugged AC radiator?
> 
> Scott
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Re: [MBZ] Buy my car

2016-07-02 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
Great color!


> On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:56 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cabernet red. The color helps, doesn't hurt.
> 
> 10k is difficult to for a high mileage car.  If it had 100k less, it's more
> realistic.
> 
> 
> 
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>> Yeah, if there were no dent and the color were different you could probably
>> get close to $10K.  Milan brown?
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> 
>>> Seems cheap Jaime. Wish I could have a second one.
>>> 
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>>> 1990 300D
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>>> On Jul 1, 2016 9:01 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>> 
 http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5663555438.html
 
 No Kaleb, I won't accept $500.
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

2016-06-25 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes
I agree, but my ’67 Beetle is worth about 3 pretty nice 240D’s.  Different 
animals completely.  I love them both.

Jon


> On Jun 24, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
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> I wouldn't  see a VW kubelwagen  as,a substitute for a 240D. They are cool
> but not ...
> 
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> On Jun 24, 2016 1:06 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Investigate a VW Thing. In decent condition they're selling for 2-3x the
>> original purchase price.Actually price out a '60s Camaro in drivable
>> shape...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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>> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 12:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240d
>> 
>> On 23/06/2016 4:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Why are people wanting stupid money for their 240d?
>>> 
>>> 
>> Have you looked at the asking prices for 40 and 50 year old American cars?
>> The Mercedes seem cheap by comparison.
>> 
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