[MBZ] 123 Chassis Instrument Panel

[Tom Scordato]

Worked for about an hour trying to get my instrument panel pulled to change 
out my speedometer on my 1979 240D.  On my old 1977 300D it was easy to push 
it from the rear.  This one is stubborn as a wipe.  Anyone have those 
instrument panel pullers they could lend me or sell me?  Please let me know 
off MB line at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  thanks


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA. 

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck SUV

[Tom Scordato]

Although Marshal has forgotten more than I know about this subject for what 
it is worth I have run my 1977 300D with 15w/50 M1 extended life and now my 
1979 240D with this product combined over 150K miles

Regards Tom Scordato
- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck  SUV



LT Don wrote:

Are you saying that the new 15W-50 Ext is ok for our diesels? I was
laboring under the assumption that none of the Extended oils were
diesel-approved, and that the logical replacement was the 0W-40 Truck  
SUV.


While M-1 15W-50 hasn't been approved by Mercedes (at least not yet) it
carries the same CF API rating and ACEA B3, B4 ratings. I would not
hesitate to use it in MY diesels.

M-1 ESP formula M 5W-40 was supposed to start showing up (Mercedes says,
available in the USA on 5/15/06) in the US last month. I think I'd
choose the 5W-40 Turbo Diesel Truck or the Delvac 1 formulas for older
diesels if I had a choice, but the newer oil should be JUST fine - if
you can find it.

Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

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Re: [MBZ] W123 thermostat

[Tom Scordato]

Manuala calls for the little notches to be lined up properlly on those 
thermos.  I do not know if it makes a difference.  When I did my 1977 300D 
it also ran a bit hotter, but I also change the fluid to the G-5 stuff at 
the same time from a standard prestone green/Tom
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Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 thermostat



Peter --

I understand that hotter is better (with our cars and with our females).
However, there is that small, nagging voice that start to whisper into my
ear when the temp needle leaves the 175F and starts to climb to the 212
mark.

Hey, I am Iowa. If I start to approach 212F climbing OUR hills, I have to
wonder what will happen if I head out this summer to visit my parents in
WV.  (!!)

Anal retentive as I am, I am afraid I'd have to get yet another driver's
seat (due to brown spots) from Kaleb if I saw the temp needle swing up 
near

the 250F mark. It was there once, but that was when I broke a alternator /
water pump belt.

Perhaps this is why I flew fixed wing rather than rotary wing planes.

D.


On 6/18/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


No, only the rubber ring is necessary.

You should run about 175 to 195 F -- cooling is NOT better, as engine
efficiency is lower at lower temps.  After all, the radiator will dump
MORE heat the hotter the coolant and the cooler the exterior air
(larger temperature drop).  With proper coolant, no engine damage will
occur so long as the temp guage is out of the red range.

My 300D will start to heat up above 85C on long grades in the mountains
in the summer with the AC on -- never gotten above 100, though.

Peter


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1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] Seat repair again

[Tom Scordato]

Go to the Walmart and by those floaty styra foam things the kids use in the 
pools, noodles they are called.  Cut them up and stuff  them between all the 
springs.. Helps\

Tom
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From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat repair again



Go to Meijer or Wal-Mart and buy a twin bed-size egg-crate mattress pad.
The size happens to be -exactly- the right size for restuffing a 115 seat.
One pad should be enough to restuff both passenger seats and the bench 
seat

in the back (but you'll be out of foam before you redo the rear seat
backrest, which will probably be fine anyway).

I did this repair two years ago with great success - seats felt better 
than
any other 115 seat I've plunked down in.  They, along with the engine, 
were

the best parts of my 240D.


On 6/1/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I finally hauled the driver's seat out of my 76 300D last night and
partially dismantled it. The spring base seems
intact but has quite a bit of surface rust on it. I assume it had no 
paint

of any sort from the factory and this is
just the result of 30 year's exposure to humidity etc. Horsehair pad is
toast of course which was the reason for
looking into this issue. I have decided not to obtain a new horsehair pad
and am going the new route.  My thought
was to use a piece of carpet to insulate the new replacement padding 
stuff

that I picked up at Wally Mart. Can't
recall the name but there was mention of a writeup about seat repair on
here a while back and that fibrous plasticy
stuff is what the fellow used. I am now thinking I may find some sort of
light canvas type material and use it to
wrap over the piece of carpet to hold it in place and to permit me to use
a spray adhesive to hold the fibrous
stuff in place. In the writeup the fellow used pool noodles cut down to
bolster the sides. I'm thinking that the
fibrous stuff should be  sufficient if I glue some more onto the sides of
the larger piece to provide the amount of
bolster needed. There does not seem to be much bolster in the original
horsehair padding. I have not yet decided
whether I should try to stuff pool noodle material into the spring base.
It actually seems to be keeping my rear
off of the floor as it is and I don't want to make the seat too hard or 
to

high as the steering wheel will become
more difficult to slide under.
So, any comment from those that have done this?

Randy B



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Re: [MBZ] Weeping Servo...Weeping Driver

[Tom Scordato]

Bob

Oh the old servo.

Once a week, summer winter or when ever put Auto II system on defrost and 
turn the temp reostate to full heat 85 degrees let it run for about 5 to 10 
minutes.  This is the best maintenace for these. Opens the unit up full and 
helps to keep her from sticking.  I have run these servos with minor weeps 
for lots of miles.  Check level in radiator every few hundred miles when 
warm or cold.  The servo I believe is independent of the cooling water temp 
and works visa vi the vacuum system to modulate up and down (open and close) 
depending on the setting on the reostate and the ambient air temp in the 
car.  I could be wrong but have spent some time trouble shooting this in the 
past in my 1977 300D  Of course if your jacket water is only 135 degrees 
heat might be a propblem.  Tom Scordato
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From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 11:56 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Weeping Servo...Weeping Driver


My wretched ACC servo has crusties built up around its base. Is it toast? 
Here is why I ask:
Since it was 93 yesterday, I tried the AC (for the first time since Feb) 
and it works fine (50 degree air out of center vents) for about 15 minutes 
then it somehow fails in like a mid position where I get a whisper of cool 
air out of each cabin orifice (floor, defrost, sides, middle). As an 
aside, I do need to replace my thermostat...I believe it's stuck open 
since I can't get above 135 degrees ever. Does this effect the operation 
of the stickin' servo from hell?


I was going to take the 300D to Cal tomorrow to pick up the girls but I 
don't think I want to hear 400 miles of this AC isn't working again?


I still think there is a room somewhere in one of Chrysler's office 
buildings where they sit and laugh about giving this technology to MB.



Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 151K
Litchfield Park, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge

[Tom Scordato]

Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my

imagination/wishful thinking?



Imagination but who cares.  Now you can go much longer between ATF changes! 
/Tom
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] M1 ATF Change - Was - DieselPurge



Jim wrote (about Diesel Purge) -  It was definitely more quiet after

Speaking of becoming quieter, I changed the ATF and filter early this week
(on the '91 300D) and could swear the car is quieter!

While I expect this when changing from fossil to synthetic engine oil, the
change in sound level from fossil ATF to M1 ATF was unexpected.

Has anyone else experienced this (with the ATF change) or is it my
imagination/wishful thinking?

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DieselPurge




In a message dated 4/7/2006 6:22:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

And I do  believe that you are to manually manipulate your throttle
linkage
from  medium to fast and a little slow while Purging...it is not  to be
done
idling the whole time, correct? Shouldn't take more than 15  minutes to
burn
through that bottle, no?



For maximum cleaning effect, the fuel return line should be routed back 
to
the purge container and the fluid recycled until gone.  This took me 
about

45
minutes, mostly at idle.

Watch the level and don't let it run completely dry!  Hard starting  will
ensue.

I set up my video camera to listen to the engine before, during, and
after
the purge.  It was definitely more quiet after!

Regards,

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles
98 ML 320, 141 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] [MBZ 123 300D Parts

[Tom Scordato]

Anyone need these?

http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29322-2357-0?uid=site=0ver=EOISUA080805lk=URLitem=8049728283

http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29322-2357-0?uid=site=0ver=EOISUA080805lk=URLitem=8049728283

Now one bid.  Make a fair offer/Tom 

Re: [MBZ] 123 300D Part cont.

[Tom Scordato]

http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29322-2357-0?uid=site=0ver=EOISUA080805lk=URLitem=8049732621 

[MBZ] W126.125 M603.961 I6 300SDL Turbodiesel 1986-87 148HP 3835lbs

[Tom Scordato]

I saw one of these while traveling in PA today.  Might be for sale.  Saw 
178K on the odometer.  I am a 123 chassis guy.  Can the group provide some 
pros and cons on this model. please   I do not know the exact year but I 
think was only from 1986 and 1987.


Regards Tom Scordato 

Re: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale

[Tom Scordato]

I wonder if he would think I am a wise ass if I asked him to list everything 
with part numbers?
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: [MBZ] BIG pile of parts for sale



FYI... no affiliation, etc... just passing it along:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8049348099

This has Kaleb written all over it, lol!

=)


--
Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 95kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)

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Re: [MBZ] 220D on Craigslist no affiliation.

[Tom Scordato]

Best my 1979 240 D does with auto and only 78k miles is around 30mpg 


I often question this new math??
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WTF?!?

38-40mpg?  with a huge sail up front and that twister that got Dorothy  
and her little dog. Maybe.


Gump is not making more than 30mpg, and she has nothing to rob engine  
power, is a stick and has a very strong engine.


This is a seller on severe crack pipe withdrawl.


On Sunday, March 19, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Donald Snook wrote:


http://wichita.craigslist.org/car/142329858.html




1968 Mercedes-Benz 220 diesel - $4200

  _


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Vintage MZB in excellent original condition. 175,000 miles. New engine
and transmission--60,000 miles ago. New paint. Interior leather. New
tires. MPG 38-40 at cruising speed. 1-785-827-5468

* This item has been posted by-owner.

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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.

[Tom Scordato]

Mercedes Shop Forum may rent them out cheap.  Also mercedessource.com sells 
a set for around $50.  Hazet run around $75 to $90 used.- Original 
Message - 
From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Valve Adjustment, Tools, Timing chain, Diesel Purge, etc.



OK, so I haven't yet decided on whether I'm going to attempt the valve
adjustment on my 83' 300D myself or hope I can find someone who knows
what they're doing.  If I decide to go that route, it sounds further
complicated since from what I recall the engine is supposed to be cold
as in let to sit overnight.

Either way, I know it's been discussed before, but I can't seem to find
the references.  Where's the best/cheapest place to get the valve
adjustment tools?  Or wouldn't I really need them?  I didn't see them
listed at buymbparts.  I think I saw a set on ebay but for $100.  I was
thinking someone said you could get them for more like $50...

Also on the subject of tools...  How important is the glow plug reamer,
and what's the best place to get one?

And I keep hearing about the timing chain stretch.  If I do the valves
myself, is it quite easy to measure the stretch at that time?  Or do I
still need to dig deeper or disconnect the chain or some such thing to
measure it?


And I got a couple cans of diesel purge.  Is this best done at idle, or
should I try to rig it up so I can drive around with it?

And on the same lines, does it make much difference what order I do the
valve adjustment/diesel purge?

Thanks!
Levi
Might be getting time to wake the 83' 300D from it's winter slumber...

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Re: [MBZ] seat repair

[Tom Scordato]

Randy

Not a hard job, takes about 4 to 6 hours maybe
Mercedessource.com has a good guide for rebuilding seats around $20.00

Good MB Shop forum article which references poly foam material for use in 
123 chassis seats (not too different from 115)

http://www.mercedesshop.com/Wikka/W123SeatRepair

I have done two seats each the drive side of two different 123s  See if you 
can call some of the used MB salvage yards get a good PASSENGER SIDE SEAT 
this can be easily reversed for a driver seat.  I picked up a very good seat 
I mean very good for $100 delivered from a salvage yard.  I gave the guy the 
official mb tex color and he got it for me.  Shipped it without the rail as 
I can resuse he existing one.


Regards Tom Scordato

- Original Message - 
From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:40 PM
Subject: [MBZ] seat repair


I checked with World Upholstery and they want $235 for a horsehair pad to 
put into the front seat bottom on my 115.
I know I saw on here somewhere about repadding the seats with foam etc. 
Who has done this and how well did it work
out? Am I better off to have a local upholstery shop make me something out 
of dense foam or to try to do it myself.
Shaping the foam would be the hard part I guess - after finding something 
suitable. I just wonder if something more
modern than the horsehair pad would be as good or better at a lower cost. 
I'd have to look more closely but I don't
think the passenger side is really in need yet so I could get away with 
just doing the driver's side. I had thought
about doing both until I got the quote. I'm frugal (and poor) so that 
isn't to my liking. Two of them would be $470
plus shipping of probably $25 or more plus taxes of 14% (on the value 
converted to Cdn $).


Randy B


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[MBZ] R-12 Freon Charge

[Tom Scordato]

Noticed a busted ac hose on my 1979 240D.  System is R12.  Got my 609 
certification.  I assume with a broken line all freon is out.


Does anyone have a link or a procedure for charging they system with R-12. 
I assume I have to add mineral oil  4 oz? (how do you get that in).  I read 
that I may need 2.9lbs.  I can get the R-12 anything else I should know 
special equipment.  No way I am going to convert to other refrigerant if I 
can help it.  Do I need to clean system or can I just charge the system? 
What is the best way, will the cans do it or do I need something else.   New 
ground for me.


Any sea stories or help/link would be appreciated

Regards Tom Scordato











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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: [MBZ] R-12 Freon



Rcvd 12  12 oz. cans R-12 Freon today.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon Charge

[Tom Scordato]

thanks Jim
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R-12 Freon Charge



Noticed a busted ac hose on my 1979 240D.  System is R12.  Got my 609
certification.  I assume with a broken line all freon is out.


Oh yeah!

Does anyone have a link or a procedure for charging they system with 
R-12.


Any FLAPS book on automotive AC will tell you enough.


I assume I have to add mineral oil  4 oz? (how do you get that in).


If you need to add some, and you only do if you think you've lost
any, you can just pour it into an open hose.


I can get the R-12 anything else I should know special equipment.


I absolutely don't think anybody should touch their AC system
unless they have a set of service gauges and a vacuum pump suitable
for drying.


Do I need to clean system or can I just charge the system?


Did it get dirty?  How long was it open to the atmosphere?
You'll need a new receiver/drier, as its desiccant has probably
saturated by now.  But I don't know that any 'cleaning' will
be necessary.  It depends.  Usually not.


What is the best way, will the cans do it or do I need something else.


Cans are fine.  Just do it right.  See book!


Any sea stories or help/link would be appreciated


There's mine:  http://cathey.dogear.com/cwair.html

-- Jim


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[MBZ] MB: 1985 300D Turbo 123 Nice

[Tom Scordato]

If you have time drill down on write up.  I think seller might be refering 
to the group here


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-Mercedes-Benz-300D-Turbo-Diesel-Sedan-Immaculate_W0QQitemZ4621223248QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem











































- Original Message - 
From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vonage



I wired mine into the house system, but we only have a wireless base and a
fax. Not sure how many extensions it will support. Every once in a while 
you
get a crappy connection and redialing fixes it. They have been down once 
in

the last year when I wanted to make a call. I like being able to take the
little box on vacation and use a hotspot to catch up on phone calls while
overseas (use your laptop and Internet Connection Sharing). Some countries
block the ports, but you can turn down the bandwidth and VPN in to get
around that. If you plug the box in series, it gives data priority to 
voice
calls. If you put it inside your firewall, you may need to do that 
manually.


Hope this helps.

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 3/14/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Is anyone here using Vonage? What do like/dislike about it? Can
the
old junction box be wired into the adapter so all phone jacks in the
house will work?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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[MBZ] 1979 240D W123 616.9xx Old Style Hand Injector Pump

[Tom Scordato]

I thought within the last few weeks someone may have been looking or old 
style hand pump.  I just swapped out and the old one is in good shape.  Free 
to a good home I'll pay shipping too.


Regards Tom Scordato
1979 240D 

[MBZ] 1977 300D W123 parts available

[Tom Scordato]

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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D W123 616.9xx Old Style Hand Injector Pump

[Tom Scordato]

yes. I believe so, you might want to check
http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb.asp

to make sure
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Will it fit in my '77 300D?
I've forgotten.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 150K
Rainy AZ


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Subject: [MBZ] 1979 240D W123 616.9xx Old Style Hand Injector Pump



I thought within the last few weeks someone may have been looking or old
style hand pump.  I just swapped out and the old one is in good shape. 
Free

to a good home I'll pay shipping too.

Regards Tom Scordato
1979 240D



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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D W123 616.9xx Old Style Hand Injector Pump

[Tom Scordato]

Bob you were the first to ask for this you want it?  If not Jim Cathey was 
second.


Regards Tom
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Will it fit in my '77 300D?
I've forgotten.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 150K
Rainy AZ


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Subject: [MBZ] 1979 240D W123 616.9xx Old Style Hand Injector Pump



I thought within the last few weeks someone may have been looking or old
style hand pump.  I just swapped out and the old one is in good shape.
Free
to a good home I'll pay shipping too.

Regards Tom Scordato
1979 240D



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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D W123 parts available

[Tom Scordato]

The negative feed back was from a person who sold me a 240D he claimed had 
70K miles.  I got it home and within an hour found it had 250K.  Sued him 
and won/settled.  The negative feed back I got was in responce to my input 
to eBay.  BTW he is banned from eBay because of that little stunt.


Yes one negative does drag you down if you have as few transactions as I do.

Tom
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I'd be surprised if it doesn't bring at least 800 bucks. MB diesels on 
feBay

have been nuts lately. Man. one negative feedback really drags your
percentage down, doesn't it?
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT


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Re: [MBZ] 1979 240D W123 616.9xx Old Style Hand Injector Pump

[Tom Scordato]

Bob send me your exact address I will mail it off to you/Tom
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I typed:

 wait...you're not talking priming pump are you...

then Mitch typed:

 I think he's talking old style screw-down priming pump with the knurled
white
ring at the top. Useful for any restoration that you want to keep 
original.
I've seen new ones on eBay for $20 or so. I'll take it if nobody else 
wants

it. My SD has a leaker on it, but I already have the new black pump on
hand,
so if somebody really needs it, Tom should send it to them rather than me.


If he IS talking the priming pump and it is the correct one for my '77, 
then

I'd welcome it.
Mine leaks mightly when I try to use it post filter changes.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 150K
Litchfield Park, AZ




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[MBZ] Anybody Want This Car?

[Tom Scordato]

Before I put it up on eBay, want to offer for the group:  Below is 
description.  Email me direct if you want pictures [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Hate to 
see it go, this car is what started my affair with MB diesels, but I am not 
a two car guy and now I can concentrate on my 1979 240D.  With three kids 
and a garage I can hardly fit my lawn mower in, well...I would like to get 
$300  Regards Tom Scordato


Vin 123 130 12 04 3707

Motor number 617 912 12 0191 87



Up for sale is a Mercedes Benz 1977 300D, naturally aspirated 3.0-liter 
non-turbo, and 123 chassis automobile.  Car has 270K miles on it. I have 
owned the car for the last 100K miles since November of 2002.  This car was 
my daily driver until two weeks ago.  I believe there is something wrong 
with my #5 cylinder.  Could be an injector, but could also be something more 
severe such as valves, piston or connecting rod.  I do not know.  Car is 
drivable, but I do not recommend it until problem is resolved.  A lot of 
blue smoke and no power up hills.  So towing it might be an option.  Your 
choice.




I do not have the time to figure out the problem right now.  My Mercedes 
1979 240D diesel will be my new driver and prime concern now.




1977 300D is being sold for parts or if you want to repair engine and have 
some fun/invest some time you can do it and possibly rebuild engine and a 
have a good driver.  There is an abundance of used engines on the market in 
various shapes and conditions, my estimates are you could drop one of these 
in turnkey price including used engine with used ancillaries in the range of 
$750 to $1,500. For the last 100K miles existing engine only saw Mobil one 
synthetic, changed along with fuel filters every 10,000 miles.  I do not 
have a recent compression test.  I have no service records for the first 
185K  miles of this cars life.




All my service records will be available if you want them at time of 
purchase.




Car has many new parts; the famous HVAC II system servo valve is less than a 
year old and was bought new from for over $500 smackers.  The heavy-duty 
Bilestein shocks have less than 35K miles (they go for 150K +/- miles) were 
installed last year, $ 200 there.  Set of 4 Tires are 65 k all season radial 
tires and have around 5,000 miles on them worth $300 dollars.  New Propeller 
Shaft Flex plates, installed not more than three weeks ago are new.  Starter 
is over sized Bosch (for 300D turbo) unit and is strong.  Battery is an 
interstate about three years old but is going strong.  Vacuum door lock 
rubber units have all been replaced, but door locks just went out after I 
replaced some of the vacuum tubing.  Engine has up dated pencil type glow 
plug conversion, about 15K miles ago




Transmission shifts well and has for the last 100K miles been serviced every 
50K with Mobile 1 fully synthetic tranny fluid.  Back end suspension is ok. 
Differential has seen full synthetic for the last 100K miles.  Brake system 
recently flushed and has seen full synthetic for the last 100K miles. 
Brakes and rotors and calipers are in fine shape. New windshield seal and 
rear window seal.




Interior is in fine shape.  Driver seat has been overhauled.  Numerous other 
things/parts has been done to the car too much to list.  Much money, time 
and TLC has gone into this vehicle.




Car needs upper control arms ($80 in parts not installed plus torsion bar 
bushings $5) from my recent alignment inspection. Car has some rust in the 
usual 123 areas, has some minor water leaks if it rains and the wind blow 50 
plus mph.  Overall paint job is in good shape.  Car also needs a speedo 
cable, speedometer was recently overhauled.




Body repair work has been done around the front fender wells not body shop 
quality but holding its own.




Pa inspection was up in February of 2006, but I do a pre inspection and the 
only thing it needed to pass was the upper control arms and the torsion bar 
bushings.




Payment terms:  Paid in full within 7 days of auction, pay pal, money order, 
cash or certified check only. Pick up will be within 30 calendar days of end 
of auction




Pick up and delivery is by others.  Car has a clean title.

I reserve the right to end this auction at any time prior to the eBay end 
time.




Car is sold as is where is with no warrantees or guarantees implied.

Re: [MBZ] Block Heater Yes or no

[Tom Scordato]

As  a salesman driving a late 1970s model diesel made by MB I get weird 
looks and remarks like does you car have navigation control, an ipod and a 
talking map?  Not


When I make reservations at a hotel I always ask for an outside 110volt plug 
for my handicap car  They always accommodate.  They ask what the hell do 
you mean.  I plug em in with a timer.  around 3 to 4:00AM have her kick on. 
Now in 20-30 below stuff, I add my battery warmer, my magnetic lube heater 
(just to add heat to engine as synthetic is fine).  and just plug in before 
bed for all night.  Of course the best thing to get is the pencil type 
glows.  If you are still farting around with the filament type dump em. 
What a difference.  Thanks Marshall.


Moral block heater is a must.  Now during the day if I park and it is real 
cold I go out every few hours and start the car up and spin the parking lot 
a few times.  I do find my self always looking for 110volt outlets at 
various places I drive just in case, terrible habit I know.  I also 
travel around with handy tester as I have plugged in to dead outlets before. 
I always test the outlet.


Regards Tom Scordato
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On Mar 10, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Richard Barnaby wrote:


  Even if you COULD get by without it,
Why not have the oil more warm and available.
Seems to me, cheap insurance on the engine life.



I do it for science. It is good to know how to get the car started
in the event of power failures ( which usually occur in Winter around
here) and how low you can go. I live where you live except they call
it New York over here.
I also run synthetic oil so my oil is always ready to be pumped. My
190D Euro has no block heater, it used to live in Florida. All of our
other MB diesels have block heaters. I will be installing one as well
as flushing the cooling system and refilling with G-05, when I get
around to it.
I mostly tell my cold start stories so some of the other folks on
the list can feel more secure about their cars starting when it gets
cold.
It seems to me that many who live in much warmer climes than you and
I have the greatest paranoia when it comes to cold starts. I hope to
ease their minds and reduce the stress that they endure as a result.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Tom Scordato]

Brian said
when I complain about
it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, 
they

wear out and break too


Yes Brian they do and if you are racking up 40 to 50K a year on them it 
reaches a real point of diminishing returns.  I think I may minimize my loss 
on this, keep my low mileage 240D for another 200K (it has only 77K on it) 
and be happy


Brian I guess a 30 year car is like a 100 year house.  One side says it is a 
labor of love the other says it is a money pit.  One thing for sure they 
both need alot of tlc and cash.



Regards Tom
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You'll probably find more helpful posts than this, but I can tell you that 
I
just had the engine replaced in a 240D. Engine cost me 900 and the 
complete

RR job done by an indy - not me - cost 800 (plus a couple unexpected
expenses). The engine I got usually sells for 1100.

Was it worth it to us? Yes, but as I discover more potentially broken or
breaking things on the car, I begin to question it. I wanted one of these
Mercedes diesels and then I became convinced by reading this list (and got
the general impression that these cars are about as wonderful as tits and
beer) but I'm getting the general impression lately, when I complain about
it becoming a money pit, that there is nothing magic about these cars, 
they

wear out and break too, it's just that if properly cared for, the diesel
engines can last quite a long time.

Wish you the best with your quest.

Brian
83 240D

On 3/8/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


A few questions for the group please

1.  Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with
out
major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year?

2.  What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine,
remove
things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a used
motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just said
and install the new engine.  These would be the hours by a professional
mechanic.

3.  I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at it.

4.  If you could share any experience you have.  Is there a link for 
doing

this job?

I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and 
are

in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for
some
time.

I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it.  I
do
not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in
life right now.

Thanks in advance Tom Scordato



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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Tom Scordato]

Marshall said

If you can do it yourself or get a really cut rate, you
can sometimes restore a car to service, but usually you are better off
finding a replacement car that meets your needs

Marshall you are right and I believe/Tom

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Tom Scordato wrote:

I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and 
are
in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for 
some

time.

I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it.  I 
do

not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in
life right now.

Thanks in advance Tom Scordato


Mercedes made a few changes every year and there certainly MIGHT be
changes that would make slipping an '80-81 engine into a '77 chassis a
challenge (but I'm almost sure it can be done).

I would guess that 8 hours MIGHT do it if the mechanic were VERY
experienced AND had done the job several times, but there are a LOT of
variables that could increase the time by a lot. Unless the the car is
in WAY, WAY above average condition I wouldn't suggest it with a nearly
30 year old (or even a 20 year old) car. It has NOT been economically
advantageous for me to pay someone a proper fee to do such jobs (I've
done it anyway). If you can do it yourself or get a really cut rate, you
can sometimes restore a car to service, but usually you are better off
finding a replacement car that meets your needs.

Marshall
--
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  der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Tom Scordato]

Brian said

All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is
one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy it
and look forward to a happy life with it.

As you should and will.  Like I told my family who gives me grief that I do 
not or will not drive a rock climber:


I will drive a Mercedes Diesel until I die, so get used to it.  For me 
Brian I to bought a 185K 300D diesel which I did not have records on.  But 
guess what I put 100K miles on it, had a lot of fun, worked on it, developed 
a love for a car I really enjoy driving.  Luckily I bought a 1979 240D with 
low miles and I can start all over again!


Thanks for your input and enjoy changing your starter out.  I know on my 
300D I had to remove the transmission dip stick tube but other that not too 
bad of a job.  Kind of a reach around to get at the Allen bolts if I recall. 
Small stubby angle ratchet helps.


Tom Scordato































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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads


But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting 
aside:

One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to
investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having had
any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even an 
old

one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like the
range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one would be
getting into true classic status and thus would be even further out of
range.

So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally
speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it has
problems?

I see all the time through the list, Mercedes diesels for that sort of 
price

(and that's about what mine cost) and the listers often tout picking them
up. Guess what I have been missing all along is that it is understood that
if you buy one at this price range, you will be looking - almost for 
certain

- at several repairs.

I have read things today on the list that I did not see in the six months 
or

longer leading up to the purchase of my 240D. But in fairness, it is a
Mercedes enthusiast list (with a very large do-it-yourself contingent). 
What

should I have expected? And also in fairness, I don't think that I ever
specifically asked the question, do you guys think that I ought to buy one
of these autos?

All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it is
one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do enjoy 
it

and look forward to a happy life with it.

Next order of business: replace the starter. It did it's nothing trick
just now.

Brian 83 240D

Marshall wrote:

One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth
$2000-5000 and one that's in close to showroom condition with less than
75kmi on it can sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that.

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Tom Scordato]

Dwight said

Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB
diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right
now

Dwight do tell about the 1990.  maybe it is time for me to trade up from the 
123 chassis.  The vacuum door locks give me real grief on all those. I do by 
the way have a 1979 240D too.  I call it the Flip Maker  As I drive up and 
accelerate (0-60 forever) up the highway on ramps I get folks flipping me 
the bird all the time, my pedals is to the metal.  People are very full of 
hate and discontent in this the freest country in the world.  Why is that 
so?


It is now my daily driver and I love it, 77K now and growing by 50K a year. 
thanks Dwight


Tom Scordato












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Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:43 PM
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Tom, I like and agree with your philosophy-I will always drive a MB
diesel for the rest of my life-I have two sitting in the driveway right
now.

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 129K miles
Wickford, RI


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Brian said

All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that it
is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I do
enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it.

As you should and will.  Like I told my family who gives me grief that I
do
not or will not drive a rock climber:

I will drive a Mercedes Diesel until I die, so get used to it.  For me
Brian I to bought a 185K 300D diesel which I did not have records on.
But
guess what I put 100K miles on it, had a lot of fun, worked on it,
developed
a love for a car I really enjoy driving.  Luckily I bought a 1979 240D
with
low miles and I can start all over again!

Thanks for your input and enjoy changing your starter out.  I know on my

300D I had to remove the transmission dip stick tube but other that not
too
bad of a job.  Kind of a reach around to get at the Allen bolts if I
recall.
Small stubby angle ratchet helps.

Tom Scordato































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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads



But would it be worth doing all the crack? Seriously though, jesting
aside:
One of the things that I was most surprised about when I began to
investigate an older Mercedes was how affordable they were. Not having

had

any specific interest in them in the past, I always assumed that even

an

old
one (as in 80s) would be way way out of the range of reasonable (like

the

range you gave for the showroom cond. one). And an even older one

would be

getting into true classic status and thus would be even further out

of

range.

So basically one that is in the lower $2k range is one that, generally



speaking, has not been maintained and the seller therefore knows it
has problems?

I see all the time through the list, Mercedes diesels for that sort of
price
(and that's about what mine cost) and the listers often tout picking

them

up. Guess what I have been missing all along is that it is understood

that

if you buy one at this price range, you will be looking - almost for
certain
- at several repairs.

I have read things today on the list that I did not see in the six
months
or
longer leading up to the purchase of my 240D. But in fairness, it is a
Mercedes enthusiast list (with a very large do-it-yourself

contingent).

What
should I have expected? And also in fairness, I don't think that I

ever

specifically asked the question, do you guys think that I ought to buy

one

of these autos?

All that said, I still do admire this type of vehicle and think that
it is one of the few that - since I have to drive - I want to drive. I



do enjoy it and look forward to a happy life with it.

Next order of business: replace the starter. It did it's nothing
trick just now.

Brian 83 240D

Marshall wrote:

One that's quite well maintained, may well be worth $2000-5000 and one



that's in close to showroom condition with less than 75kmi on it can
sell for $10+k and MAY even be worth that.

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Re: [MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Tom Scordato]

Johnny B said

You really have to know what you're doing when you buy and repair
the car or you stand to have a costly bad experience

True and it helps more than can be valued to have a group list like this to 
help you.  I personally value the opinions and experience of this group more 
than words can say.  I have often blown off advise of some professionals 
due to the information I have gotten form this list, thanks.


Regards Tom Scordato

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Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:30 PM
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:


Hope this clears up what I was getting at when I said that some
sellers ask
much lower prices, and the only explanation that I could come up
with is
that there are such obvious problems with the vehicle that they know
they can't realistically ask too much.

Brian



Realistically most people really are not aware of the actual value
of their vehicles. I tend to get great deals but I have been involved
with cars all my life and a professional mechanic for more than 30
years. People give me cars that get put to use or go to parts.
Case in point: my new 1986 190D 2.5 Euro. I paid $1200 for an
original owner car with 62,000mi that needed a paint job and some
inexpensive stuff. I have $2600 into it and it is near perfect.
You really have to know what you're doing when you buy and repair
the car or you stand to have a costly bad experience.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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[MBZ] 1977 300D non turbo engine replacement Cross Roads

[Tom Scordato]

A few questions for the group please

1.  Can a 1977 123 chassis take/accept an 617.9xx non turbo engine with out 
major modifications from the years 1978-1980 to last non turbo year?


2.  What are the estimated hours to pull out existing 617.9xx engine, remove 
things such as alternators, refer compressors, ect. and then put a used 
motor into the car al the while attaching the ancillary stuff I just said 
and install the new engine.  These would be the hours by a professional 
mechanic.


3.  I assume, new tranny hoses, new lube oil hoses ect. while I am at it.

4.  If you could share any experience you have.  Is there a link for doing 
this job?


I have located some used engines that have been compression tested and are 
in the 100K miles to 150K mile ranges, some which have been sitting for some 
time.


I am at a cross roads on the path of deciding if the car is worth it.  I do 
not have the scope of supply to do the job myself where I am located in 
life right now.


Thanks in advance Tom Scordato 

Re: [MBZ] brake torsion bar -YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tom Scordato]

Great news Chris Don't you love when that happens?

Regards Tom Scordato
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: [MBZ] brake torsion 
bar -YES



THE BOLT JUST FELL OUT AH!  FOR 
ONCE, SOMETHING GOES MY WAY! MAKES SENSE AS THE BAR IS NOT AT ALL  RUSTY!! 
YAHOO!!! FEW RUBBER HICKIES A BOLT AN HOUR  LATER AND I'LL 
BE GOOD TO GO - THE VAST EXPANSE OF CO, AZ, AND NM  DESERT AWAITS ME THIS 
WEEKEND AND MY QUASI-TRUSTY COMPANION, WULF!


 Ecstatically,

 Christopher



Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose
-1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook
-1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen
-1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf
-1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen)
-1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent
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Re: [MBZ] Suggestions for a replacement radio

[Tom Scordato]

I have a Blaupunk unit with cassette.  AM/FM works great.   Free you pay 
shipping/Tom Scordato
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I ordered nice Pioneer for my 1981 300SD from Crutchfield.  It even came
with a free wiring harness and OE speaker wire connections
Mike
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Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2006 12:41 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Suggestions for a replacement radio



The old Alpine radio in our car has been slowly dying, first making
crackling noises from the loudspeakers and then the front panel
illumination quitting. The straw was today when I disconnected the radio
to change the console and it forgot its settings. Without being able to
read the front panel, I can't reset it.

So, does anyone have any suggestions on a reasonable replacement radio
(and source). I'm looking for something sans neon sign front panel; it's 
a

Benz, afterall. I've got the standard speakers and won't be upgrading
them, so functional is good.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] what is going on with Mobil 1

[Tom Scordato]

Loren wrote

new 15W-50, diesel rated, with a GOLD cap for more money

this is the 15/50 extended service Mobil on for about $23 to $25 per gallon 
at walmart.  It has been around at least our parts for a year and a half. 
This is the extended service stuff.  I used to use the 15/50 regular Mobil 1 
sys until my supplier quite carrying it.  Advance Auto parts carries the 
extended service stuff still.


I may just switch to Amsoil.  We are getting into a weird area here where 
supply for oil is so spotty.

Regards Tom Scordato































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From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] what is going on with Mobil 1



I stopped last week at the place in Iowa city I found to be much less
expensive than anywhere else.  The truck  suv was gone,  but they had a
new 15W-50, diesel rated, with a GOLD cap for more money.  I got 12
anyway.  Still less than the rest.  Don't know what is going on with it,
but it is making me nervous.   If it is SO good, why are they screwing
around with it?

Maybe we should all sign up under johnny B and make him the Amsoil baron
superhero.

I ran valvoline turbo for years, until they pulled it and took off the c
rating for everything else.  As near as I could tell the valvoline turbo
was a good oil for dino oil.

Loren


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Re: [MBZ] name my car

[Tom Scordato]

I am not into naming my cars, but see it as fun and sentimental for those 
who do.


Always thought if I did I would call it Janis for the great late singer 
Janis Joplin who said oh Lord wouldn't you buy me a Mercedes Benz, my 
friend all drive Porches, I must make immense...






















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Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] name my car



1992 300D 2.5T, smoke silver, cream beige interior.  286Kmi.  Not mint by
any means, but mechanically perfect.

Name it.   Right now, can't think of anything befitting it, just because
it's not that unique.  For reference, I named my 1974 240D (green on 
green)

Lucille, and never really named my 1984 300Dt.

--
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1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
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Re: [MBZ] name my car

[Tom Scordato]

amends I tried to spell check it but it did not work  I am from the age 
johnny can not read or write  sorry/Tom
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Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] name my car




On Feb 26, 2006, at 10:48 AM, Tom Scordato wrote:


 I must make immense...



That's amends. You need to go here http://www.kissthisguy.com/

Enjoy!

Johnny B.
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[MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs

[Tom Scordato]

About a year ago or so someone had a link to a program that gave Mercedes 
Service times to various maintenance and repair jobs for many different 
models.  Anyone have that?


thanks Regards Tom Scordato

1977300D
1979 240D 

Re: [MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs

[Tom Scordato]

Thanks Dave
- Original Message - 
From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs



Here ya go... about a 1MB download (uppack the Zip file):

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/other/Mercedes_Labor_Time_Guide.zip

It's not user-friendly by any stretch of the imagination, though.

:)

-Dave M.


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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:35:29 -0500
From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] MB Service Times for Jobs


About a year ago or so someone had a link to a program that gave Mercedes
Service times to various maintenance and repair jobs for many different
models.  Anyone have that?

thanks Regards Tom Scordato

1977300D
1979 240D


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[MBZ] MB 1977 300D Engine Trouble shooting

[Tom Scordato]

Please need the groups help.  Given:  car has 270K miles.  Valves due for 
adjustment but not over due.  Religious filter changes, Mobil 1 Synth. 
Timing chain stretch unknown, I have never checked it in 100K miles (I know 
a no no)


Was driving on interstate.  Heard a  sound in engine area for about 5 
seconds.  Imediately noticed power drop off on hills and alot more smoke 
from exhaust, white blueish.  Once I pulled over idle was rough, allot of 
blue smoke.  I suspect valve trouble.  No bubbles in the open radiator.  Car 
runs starts but is very rough and no power at all on hills


Action items:  Ordered diesel compression tester and 18mm glow plug adapter. 
Also will pull valve cover check for valves clearance and timing chain 
degrees and stretch.  If a valve rod is thrown or bent I may find out by 
doing that.  I have a feeling it might be bad, but will be hopeful


Any more advise/war stories the list could share with me?  Regards Tom 
Scordato

1979 240D
1977 300D 

Re: [MBZ] MB 1977 300D Engine Trouble shooting

[Tom Scordato]

Jim asked EGR?  Does this car have one?

No I do not believe it does,  Naturaly asperated and not much in pollution 
control
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 1977 300D Engine Trouble shooting



Was driving on interstate.  Heard a  sound in engine area for about 5
seconds.  Imediately noticed power drop off on hills and alot more
smoke
from exhaust, white blueish.  Once I pulled over idle was rough, allot
of
blue smoke.  I suspect valve trouble.  No bubbles in the open
radiator.  Car
runs starts but is very rough and no power at all on hills


EGR?  Does this car have one?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Housing costs

[Tom Scordato]

Brother in law bought his house 6 years ago in suburb of Boston for 275K. 
It is with in the known 100 mile each way  commuting radius (one way) of the 
city , three bedroom ranch on an acre, 1970s neighborhood.


Selling it for over 600K.  40 years ago Boston's housing dollar was about 
equal with Syracuse NY.  What happened?


New York's commuting radius that people drive is up to 150 miles one way. 
Two and a half hours each way at 2:00AM with no traffic.  With 
traffic/bridge waits 3 to 5 hours each way.  What will it be in 20 years? 
You  have 100 million or so people with in a 1000 mile radius of NYC all 
looking for he same thing.  300 million people in the US and growing!


Regards Tom Scordato



































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Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Housing costs


More a matter of their database not being updated for all homes sold in
the recent past than gross errors.  Seattle company, and I check sales
on my properties v. valuations at present.  The site is very close, but
I feel optimistic.  YMMV

On Tuesday, February 21, 2006, at 06:41 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:


My house was valued at 101K by the site...that's 10,000K more than the
 PO payed 6 years ago, but does not take into account the skyrocketing
 prices in my part of Kansas City. I paid $160,000 6 months ago and it
 was a good deal. It has my neighbors houses WAY too low too.

  If my house were 2 blocks East, it would be worth over $300,000 -
GARUANTEED (or however you spell that word)...AMAZINGLY, the website
does reflect the higher values of houses two blocks away into
account...and is probably closer with those. That is impressive. But
it  is so far off on my block that  one must conclude it is grossly
inaccurate. If I offered my house for anywhere near what that site
values it at, it would be sold within hours. Ditto for my neighbors.

  Chris

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
with taxes and escrow and the like, it comes to over a grand a month.
i
consider that a lot of money.

The new website www.zillow.com purports to give market prices for any
house
in the country by simply entering the address. The possible market
values of
houses in my neighborhood that I see every day is truly astonishing.
Who knew?

I've been looking up all my friend's homes just for fun.

RLE/Seattle
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-2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose
-1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook
-1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen
-1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf
-1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen)
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Clay
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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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[MBZ] Speedometer Freeze up???

[Tom Scordato]

About 2 to 3,000 miles ago on my 300D had some trouble with my speedometer 
not working.  I know this drill so I replaced the cable with new (installed 
correctly) and had the speedometer sent out to Overseas Speedometer to have 
it looked at and serviced.  Yesterday with temps around 25 degrees F was out 
on the highway everything worked fine.  Last night temps dropped to 5 
degrees F and when I went out to this morn noticed the needle on zero and no 
little digits going around.


QUESTION:   Can/do/ have any of you experienced the same?  Or am I destined 
to do this drill every few thousand miles?  Two things I can not take.  Not 
knowing how fast I am going or how far I have gone.


Regards
Tom Scordato
1977 300D
1979 240D 

[MBZ] Speedometer Freeze up???

[Tom Scordato]

Johnny B chimed in and I thank him

In really cold weather using the wrong lubricant  can cause the cable
to twist, become shorter and fail. There are severe cold wether lubes
available. A snowmobile shop should have something that works.

Do these cables require lubrication?  I heard not in past correspondances. 
Anybody confirm Johnny Bs expereience please?  The cable has gone out at 
3000 miles that is some kind of freaky.  If so I will luber her up but how. 
Just put the jizsm in on the business ends?


Regards Tom Scordato






























- Original Message - 
From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Speedometer Freeze up???




On Sunday, February 19, 2006, at 09:48 AM, Tom Scordato wrote:


About 2 to 3,000 miles ago on my 300D had some trouble with my
speedometer
not working.  I know this drill so I replaced the cable with new
(installed
correctly) and had the speedometer sent out to Overseas Speedometer to
have
it looked at and serviced.  Yesterday with temps around 25 degrees F
was out
on the highway everything worked fine.  Last night temps dropped to 5
degrees F and when I went out to this morn noticed the needle on zero
and no
little digits going around.

QUESTION:   Can/do/ have any of you experienced the same?  Or am I
destined
to do this drill every few thousand miles?  Two things I can not take.
 Not
knowing how fast I am going or how far I have gone.

Regards
Tom Scordato




In really cold weather using the wrong lubricant  can cause the cable
to twist, become shorter and fail. There are severe cold wether lubes
available. A snowmobile shop should have something that works.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] M-1 TS AWOL @ W/M

[Tom Scordato]

Two walmarts in State College PA are taking M1 5/40 off shelves and M1 15/50 
extended off shelves.  Called around to local auto parts.  Advanced Auto 
parts mentioned that Mobil may not be making the synth 5/40 product any more 
going to a 0/40 product.


Regards Tom Scordato
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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] M-1 TS AWOL @ W/M



I think Marshall posted something on this a couple of days ago. It is being
reformulated.

On 2/16/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


HI all,

First, for those of you who actually understood that subject line, you
have my condolences. For the rest of you, the rough translation is:
Mobil-1 Truck  SUV Formula (5W-40) appears to be AWOL at Wall-Mart. I
was there tonight and not only is there none in sight, there's no
longer a spot on the shelf for that variety, either. I didn't see
anything in a 40 or 50 weight at all, but I didn't look that hard for
the 15W-50. Anyone know if Wall-Mart is going to carry the new
'turbo-diesel truck' 5W-40 stuff, which hopefully will be similar to
the previous formula (which was almost identical to Delvac-1)?

:-(

--
Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 95kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)

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Re: [MBZ] M-1 TS AWOL @ W/M

[Tom Scordato]

Johnny B asked Wanna switch to Amsoil?  Sell me.   How does their heavy 
duty 15/40 diesel synthetic hold up?  Price looks equal and better yet it is 
available without the bate and switch the other suppliers and outlets are 
putting me through.  It comes in 12 quart cases, gallon jugs and up right? 
Regards Tom Scordato






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Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 3:52 PM
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On Friday, February 17, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Tom Scordato wrote:


Two walmarts in State College PA are taking M1 5/40 off shelves and M1
15/50
extended off shelves.  Called around to local auto parts.  Advanced
Auto
parts mentioned that Mobil may not be making the synth 5/40 product
any more
going to a 0/40 product.

Regards Tom Scordato



Wanna switch to Amsoil?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] M-1 TS AWOL @ W/M - UPDATE

[Tom Scordato]

Time to change to Amsoil.  My pig burns too much oil for me not to have a 
reliable source.


Regards Tom Scordato
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joe Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] M-1 TS AWOL @ W/M - UPDATE



Well, I went to the other Wal-Mart near me, and was overjoyed to find
four 5qt jugs of Truck  SUV Formula on the shelves... at $20/jug! I
grabbed all four, and was about to ask an employee if they had any
more in the back, but thought I'd check for single quarts first. Sure
enough, they had some quart bottles for $5.50, which was a little
pricey for my taste. Then I did a double-take... five double-yew
THIRTY? Say WHAT? I looked at the label on the 20 quarts in my
shopping cart and sure 'nuff, they're all the
too-new-to-be-on-Mobil's-website 5W-30 TS formula. The label is
identical in appearance to the old stuff, except it now says '30'
instead of '40'.

Curses! Foiled again. Dejectedly, I put it all back on the shelf. They
had nothing at all in either 40 or 50 weight, not even a place on the
shelves. But, they do have the TS 5W-30... not that I can use that in
any of my cars. I hope I'm not stuck buying genuine Delvac-1 at a
ridiculous $25/gallon once again. So far I haven't seen any sign of
the rumored turbo diesel truck 5W-40 variety. Hope that's not going
to be a snipe hunt.


***sigh***

-Dave M.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] M-1 TS AWOL @ W/M
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Two walmarts in State College PA are taking M1 5/40 off shelves and
M1 15/50 extended off shelves.  Called around to local auto parts.
Advanced Auto parts mentioned that Mobil may not be making the
synth 5/40 product any more going to a 0/40 product.


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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

Lee may have said

this country are reaping record profits while most of us are seeing our
earnings stagnate or decline

Just look at the fall of most unions effectiveness and this is one indicator 
that you are indeed right.  We are becoming a two class system.  I give it 
40 maybe 75 years. It will I believe be much like South America.   With the 
influx of people, many who do not care much for the traditions that built 
this country (like learning , wanting to learn and having to learn our 
language for starters)./Tom Scordato
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From: lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto



This reminds me of the logic by which Peru was once touted as a thriving
economy. The average yearly income was around $20,000 per person, which
sounds damn good for a south american country.

On closer investigation, though, that was an average with considerable 
skew -
most Peruvians lived in crushing poverty, with a few ruling families 
reaping

astronomical profits off the country's natural resources, yielding a nice
average. It was rather like saying that if your feet are frozen in a 
block
of ice and your head is dipped in boiling water you should  on average 
be

quite comfortable.

Similarly, while our stock markets may be up and our GDP may look good, 
that
may on closer investigation mean that a relatively small number of people 
in

this country are reaping record profits while most of us are seeing our
earnings stagnate or decline.

Lee

On Saturday 11 February 2006 1:41, David Brodbeck wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think this trend has to stop somewhere - I read recently that white
 collar jobs were being sent overseas like all the others.

An economist would say that it will stop when the wages are equalized --
wages in poorer countries will rise, and wages in richer countries will
fall, until they meet in the middle.  If you're an economist, your only
measure of people's well-being is GDP, and by that measure this kind of
trade is actually a beneficial situation overall.

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Re: [MBZ] Wipers

[Tom Scordato]

Pep boys or Mercedessource.com carries them.  No cheap/Tom Scordato
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where can you get them?  Walmart?

Tom Scordato wrote:


Brian I have had Bosch Micro edges up north in PA for almost three years
same pair on my 77 300D.  I clean once in a while with 303 Aerospace
protectorant

Just showing signs of wear, but never make that funky noise or skip. 
Make

sure you have no wax on your windshield/Tom
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What do you guys think of Bosch wipers? I'd always bought Anco just 
'cause

I
was used to 'em, but began to take note of how they begin to streak after
just a couple uses. One night I picked up some Bosches, and they're
better.
I also recently got talked into buying the  Bosch platinum or whatever
the
more expensive type is because they were offering a free $10 gift card.
I'm
not sure that I've noticed a difference with the more expensive Bosches
over
the regular Bosches.

Brian
83 240D

someone - forgot who - wrote:
After seeing someone either here or mercedesshop mention Michelin
wipers, I found them at WalMart today, $5.76 in all sizes up to
24. I bought one to replace a torn wiper on my Taurus. It was
made in USA by Pylon, which has a license to sell wipers under
the Michelin name. I drove home on a wet salty freeway, and can
report that it wiped clean without chatter. I like it better than
the ANCO Aerovantage blades on that car. I'll buy one for the other
side next time I'm in town.

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

I think MB tex works better than kevlar
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Zeitgeist wrote:

Whoa there Tex, the kevlar reference is a common and largely innocuous
online term used when posting something that could possibly be
perceived as a flame--which is yet another online term used to
describe a repudiation of another's stated position, but not generally
considered to be threatening.  Kevlar you see, is flame resistant.


It'd make more sense if you said Nomex.

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[MBZ] MB Tex verses Kevlar

[Tom Scordato]

Often, the majority of the people in the community do NOT want WalMarts, 
but

in order to keep them out, they have to organize and pass popular
initiatives. 

I could be wrong, and it is in these peoples rights to oppose a WalMart just 
like you would a landfill coming into your community,  but  I would harbor 
to guess the folks opposing these are often (and this is a hunch) yuppified 
, ak rich type communities (Greenwich CT for example) who can afford to 
preserve their lifestyle. In the east (maybe mid west, south and west can 
chime in), I have heard some of the other folks opposing it are some of the 
towns in New England, who have their noses so far up in the air it blocks 
the sunlight.  Often these towns are on a quest to keep the original 
beauty an feel of a quaint village (Many of those New England old towns 
were dumps in the height of the industrial revolution)  Every try to rent or 
buy property near those places?, forget it.  The billionaires are making it 
tough for the millionaires.


My two cents from a coal cracker in Pennsylvania

Regards Tom Scordato





































- Original Message - 
From: lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wal-Mart vs NAPA auto


Is it safe to assume that you support the democratic rights of those in 
the
many communities who have voted to ban Walmart and other big box 
retailers?


Often, the majority of the people in the community do NOT want WalMarts, 
but

in order to keep them out, they have to organize and pass popular
initiatives.

OTOH, nobody has to vote to let a WalMart INTO their community, so the 
idea
that the presence of a WalMart is a manifestation of the democratic 
process

has its flaws, IMO.

Lee

On Monday 13 February 2006 6:42, Potter, Tom E wrote:

I agree with Paul on this. Wal-Mart is in the communities because the
majority of people want them. If the liberals are so keen on democracy,
they should support this. Nobody forces anyone to work at or shop at
Wal-Mart. On the other hand, some folks want to force others NOT to shop
at Wal-Mart.

The masses may be wrong, but if we believe in democracy they have this
right. Otherwise, let us put our cards on the table and admit that we
think some sort of benevolent dictatorship (monarchy, oligarchy,
communism, etc.) would be best for THESE people (Don't forget to exclude
yourself because you think you will be in the ruling class).

Just my 2 cents.

Tom Potter: American

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if that's so (which it's not), the communities obviously complied.  it's

not just the faceless corporate monolith that is getting it's
way...people want those stores in their communities.

the other stupid, stupid argument i hear is the low wages they pay their

employees.  correct me if i'm wrong, but no one is twisting the arms of
wal-mart employees.  if they wanna make more money, then get a job
someplace else.

i have, and will continue to buy M1 there with a perfectly clean
conscience.

p.

Mitch Haley wrote:
Zeitgeist wrote:
Try anarcho-libertarian commie pinko, and no, I don't like WalMart for
a variety of reasons.

Does it have anything to do with WalMart asking communities to steal

land

from property owners and give it to WalMart to build a new SuperStore

on?



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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

One more point - this country's welfare for the rich and large
corporations dwarfs that going to the poor --

Amen Don, Amen/Tom
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One more point - this country's welfare for the rich and large
corporations dwarfs that going to the poor --

On 2/11/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Since I work for one of the welfare agencies, I could drag out all the
numbers, but to keep it simple, you can't get welfare just because you
don't want to work. You have to fake an on-the-job injury to do that,
for any length of time at least. Even then, it's real hard to get the
system doctors to certify you for enough to get any money.

The typical welfare mom has been left high and dry with several
small kids by the wage earner of the family - for what ever reason.
She's on welfare for 6 months to two years until she gets on her
feet. Daycare for those small children can eat most of her wages,
leaving them with choosing between food and electricity. I'm sure it's
tougher this winter. There are a LOT of irresponsible men out there
who don't think they have a responsibility to support the children
they fathered. Those kids are growing up in neglectful daycare centers
with other kids just like them, a single parent who is exhausted from
trying to work (often more than one job) to feed them. It's no wonder
society is falling apart at the seams - drug money and gangs look like
the only way to survive to these kids, and their numbers are
increasing every year.





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[MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

Wal-Mart- Number 1 employer in the United States.  Used to be GM I believe 
for many years.


We used to make/sell products we and the world consumed.  Now we just 
consume the cheapest product we can.  We are consumer whores with no regard 
for where this stuff is made, thus the evolution over the last 50 years to a 
service economy


You can not last long as a 1st world nation unless you produce and 
manufacture products the world needs.  You end up in dept.   We are in 
goverment fiscal dept and a major trade debt.   And that is what we have. 
We are the number 1 debtor nation on earth I believe..  I just hope the 
nations we are borrowing money from do not call us on these loans.


This and our energy crisis are probably two of the worst problems facing 
this country.


Regards Tom Scordato















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liar?  dunno - i don't know you personally - you very well could be.

you are not the majority.  the average small-town citizen enjoys the
convenience of a Wal-Mart in or near their town.

i'm not fooling anyone, btwas long as i'm paying for the livelihood
of people that choose to sit on their ass and not work, i'm not living
in a free society.

p.

Mitch Haley wrote:


paul wrote:



if that's so (which it's not), the communities obviously complied.  it's
not just the faceless corporate monolith that is getting it's
way...people want those stores in their communities.




You callin' me a liar, pardner? Walmart has done exactly as I claimed.
I don't know how many times they have done it, but I do know they
have done it once.
And yes, such crimes require the complicity of a few elected officials,
but that does not make it right.
I don't care if every other citizen of these United States wants
a Wally World on my land, it's my land, not theirs. If the basic
right to own what you own gets tossed out (and a 5-4 majority of
the supreme court did just that last year), you are only fooling
yourself if you think you live in a free society.






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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

Sure, and a department manager can make a whopping $10/hr.


I guess my question is, can Wal-Mart afford to pay their employees 2 , 3, 4, 
5 times as much with all the bennys?  Will their economic model support it 
and the dudes at the top still stay rich or at least have a decent income? 
If they can then there is a real crime.


If they can not, if there is such a slight margin, then this is the way the 
economies of scale will level out to.  It is a free market society. 
Although my personal jury is still out on Wal-Mart, few cries are heard when 
Lowes or Home Depot put the local hardware store guy out.  Now one cried 
when the buggy whip guys went under. No one cried when in 1950 we had 20 
major industrial boiler manufactures and now we have three.


The way I see it (and I am not an economic major) is the world we live in is 
global like it or not.  The job field is labor blue and white color is being 
leveled (which and until that leveling process emm levels, expect a 
total decrease in out salaries, benefits, and number of skilled high paying 
jobs).  Couple this with computer technology allowing folks anywhere to do 
anything, and our own suicidal tendencies (nafta, us not buying only 
American  produces 20 - 40 years ago when we could have halted this, high 
cost of medicine, our tendency to be sue happy, pending natural disasters, 
debt, terrorists, shitty work ethic) things will get way worse.  It is a 
very fragile system as Katrina and 9-11 proved.


People will have to become like many of the folks in Maine.  They sell 
things in the summer, do things in the winter, pick crops, fish, work a 
little job here and there.  We have got to become survivors. Like we were in 
the pioneer days.  In college (if you can afford the $20K to $70K per year 
nut and increasing by 6%-12% a year) we should major in a white collar 
things and blue collar things maybe welding or working heavy equipment. 
When one thing goes south, maybe you have the other to fall back on.  The 
day is coming when I am afraid when working at Wal-Mart may be a major 
career move.  I hope not but who knows.  My advise is keep a gun and allot 
of cash on hand.


Regards Tom Scordato





































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Sure, and a department manager can make a whopping $10/hr.



~
~from what I understand they pay pretty decent for what sort of job it
~is, and they promote from within.  Its a good way for otherwise
~untrained people to actually get somewhere in life
~



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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

Jeff said

Did you know that the 70% or so of Americans carry a balance on their
credit cards every month? The AVERAGE consumer debt of those carrying a
balance is $9,000!! That's insane!

Jeff and they do not care at all that is insane!  Fall of the Romans, 
nothing less.


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Guess who's buying most of your new debt??? Hmmm, the very scary China!
No respect for the rule of law!

I did think that Tom's term consumer whores was very appropriate.

Did you know that the 70% or so of Americans carry a balance on their
credit cards every month? The AVERAGE consumer debt of those carrying a
balance is $9,000!! That's insane!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

Brian said
We have just found it to be really annoying and less a nice experience to 
shop there



Shopping a pleasurable experience?  That is an oxy moron.  I get in I get 
out.  It is torture, does not mater if it is Sachs 5th Ave or Kmart.  Every 
time I have asked for help at the Walmarts in State College PA, I have 
always gotten help as needed.  It is shopping, it is supposed to suck, like 
scrubbing toilets...unlike what allot of women will have you believe it is 
not a sport, it is a pass time...and for me a ^%$ty one,  IMHO


Regards Tom Scordato
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Your'e kidding. Wow. I didn't look at the link yet, but that's shocking to
me - taxpayers picking up health care insurance for these employees. 
Doesn't

seem right at all. I'll chime in here with my opinion since everyone else
is:

I've heard a lot of anti WalMart talk lately in certain circles, and have
assumed that some was justified, some may not be. It is interesting to me,
though, that where one shops seems to say something about them. This 
speaks
to the emerging classism that may be replacing racism in this country 
IMHO.


Kind of interesting for me to observe that there are some people that
frequent WalMart and Burger King, and others that frequent Target and
Panera. I'm certainly not passing blanket judgement on WalMart shoppers -
some of my family and best friends go there, and they're quality folks. We
have just found it to be really annoying and less a nice experience to 
shop

there. But I only have the luxury of saying this since being married to a
woman with a much better career than I have. Were it not for that, I would
be hitting WallyWorld all the time (but late, late at night when folks are
not setting their cretins, er, kids loose in there to tire them out in the
free air conditioning or heat).

Brian


From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:57:06 -0800

Just ran across this today.  The Washington State government is
subsidizing Wal-Mart to the tune of $12 million a year, by paying for
employee health care:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002791346_walmart07m.html?syndication=rss

The question is, is it really fair for an enormously profitable
corporation to improve their bottom line by pushing the cost of keeping
their employees healthy onto the taxpayers?  They've found a way to
externalize one of the biggest expenses their competitors have.

If a company decided to stop maintaining its truck fleet's condition and
just run them until they broke, we'd say it was stupid. But when a
company like Wal Mart decides to stop maintaining their employees'
health and just use them until they go onto public assistance, it's seen
as a brilliant business move and they're rewarded for it.

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

An economist would say that it will stop when the wages are equalized --
wages in poorer countries will rise, and wages in richer countries will
fall, until they meet in the middle.  If you're an economist, your only
measure of people's well-being is GDP, and by that measure this kind of
trade is actually a beneficial situation overall.

Very true.  But for a country who is used to getting X and to tell them 
(USA) they are going to be evolving into X minus 5000, that puts a real 
strain on their psycic. The greatest generation who survived the great 
depression might could handle this reversal.  My/Xsersand new generations in 
US except for a few, I doubt can.  See they have this entitlement mentality. 
May I dare say were are turning into a two class system (but everyone thinks 
they are rich!!!). Much better for third world people to take if the chart 
is going upword  on their behalf.  But looking out for the interest of 
America which is to be frank where my interets lie very bad for us spoiled 
Americans.


What set this country apart from all others was our ability to establish and 
support a middle class system which had the where with all to 
consume/purchase the products that WE IN THE USA made. It also helped a 
great deal that the rest of the world used to purchase these too.  I believe 
you cannot last long (on paper you can do anything to make it look good, but 
that is false Enron did that well) unless you make and sell products (big 
products, little products all kinds of stuff) which we use/purchase and the 
world does too.  If we do not do this we will fail.


Tom Scordato
















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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this trend has to stop somewhere - I read recently that white 
collar

jobs were being sent overseas like all the others.


An economist would say that it will stop when the wages are equalized --
wages in poorer countries will rise, and wages in richer countries will
fall, until they meet in the middle.  If you're an economist, your only
measure of people's well-being is GDP, and by that measure this kind of
trade is actually a beneficial situation overall.

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Re: [MBZ] Wipers

[Tom Scordato]

Brian I have had Bosch Micro edges up north in PA for almost three years 
same pair on my 77 300D.  I clean once in a while with 303 Aerospace 
protectorant


Just showing signs of wear, but never make that funky noise or skip.  Make 
sure you have no wax on your windshield/Tom
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Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:56 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Wipers


What do you guys think of Bosch wipers? I'd always bought Anco just 'cause 
I

was used to 'em, but began to take note of how they begin to streak after
just a couple uses. One night I picked up some Bosches, and they're 
better.
I also recently got talked into buying the  Bosch platinum or whatever 
the
more expensive type is because they were offering a free $10 gift card. 
I'm
not sure that I've noticed a difference with the more expensive Bosches 
over

the regular Bosches.

Brian
83 240D

someone - forgot who - wrote:
After seeing someone either here or mercedesshop mention Michelin
wipers, I found them at WalMart today, $5.76 in all sizes up to
24. I bought one to replace a torn wiper on my Taurus. It was
made in USA by Pylon, which has a license to sell wipers under
the Michelin name. I drove home on a wet salty freeway, and can
report that it wiped clean without chatter. I like it better than
the ANCO Aerovantage blades on that car. I'll buy one for the other
side next time I'm in town.

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Re: [MBZ] Walmart vs NAPA auto

[Tom Scordato]

David Said
Just a fact to add to this: The national savings rate last year was
-0.5%.  Credit card debt fell slightly, but only because people were
taking equity out of their homes to pay off their credit cards.  Wages
have not been keeping up with inflation in this economic recovery and
people are getting squeezed

David we spend to much.  In days past the only things you could get/they 
offered credit on where a mortgage, maybe a car, and maybe some furniture. 
Now we have no control on our spending.  We are consumer whores.  We only 
build big Tosh Mohall homes, not small ones.  We have both parents working 
so we can buy more stuff.  Our parents would have sold the home and rented 
to have a parent home before dropping kids off at a day care.  Or they just 
would have gone without (what a concept, being frugal) Our priorities are 
all screwed up.


Unlike my many of parents group, many do not have he displine to say no. 
Want at any cost. Matter of fact are not I am entitled to it?   I see 
bidding wars for homes,  Oh you are asking $750,000 for that house, oh I 
will give you $800,000 for it.  Heck in the old days even Rockefeller would 
haggle.  No we do not haggle we BID UP!  As the great Don Henly said in one 
of his songs, we are a nation of noses pressed up against the glass, we see 
it on the TV we want it pretty fast.  You can not blame corporate America. 
They have always been assholes.  Business is like that small and large.  It 
is not a cozy sene it is the trenches.  But they also feed many folks. 
You/We are the government, and you control the buying.  We have just let it 
all slide in our pursuit of what we as individuals want.  I see Walmat as a 
perfect metamorphosis of this evolution of what we have become as 
consumers/people.  Blaming Walmart is like killing the messenger.  You do 
not like Walmart do not shop there.  Do not like the contract they give you 
find a better one.  If it is so bad for the employees let them form a union 
or quit.  The imigrant coal miners and steel workers of years past had 
little options when they risked their family's welfare by doing the same. 
They had guts and would risk something for the good of the many.


Regards Tom Scordato




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Tom Scordato wrote:

Jeff said

Did you know that the 70% or so of Americans carry a balance on their
credit cards every month? The AVERAGE consumer debt of those carrying a
balance is $9,000!! That's insane!

Jeff and they do not care at all that is insane!  Fall of the Romans,
nothing less.


Just a fact to add to this: The national savings rate last year was
-0.5%.  Credit card debt fell slightly, but only because people were
taking equity out of their homes to pay off their credit cards.  Wages
have not been keeping up with inflation in this economic recovery and
people are getting squeezed.

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[MBZ] 240 d

[Tom Scordato]

Three years ago I bought a 1977 300D from a guy in Maine who had it for less 
han six months.  When I had test drove it I had never, never driven any 
Mercedes anywhere new or old in my life.  I fell in love with it and bought 
it.


A few reasons made me look.  I had a little extra cash that year.  I figured 
steam ships and trains went to diesel.  My mechanic said man you drive so 
much you should get a diesel car, but only a Mercedes diesel


I just purchased a 1979 240D with low mileage so it continues.  By the way I 
have never had either to an authorized Mercedes Benz dealership.  Much I do 
myself and with trusted mechanics.


If speed is you thing get a Porsche.  If a steady safe ride on the highway 
is your thing these cars are built for that.  They are slow up hills but 
faster than riding a bike so that is good news.  Sometimes people get 
impatient when it takes a few minutes to come up to highway speed.


Craig's list is a good source.  Monkey adds,  BigLot,   Cars.com. Autotrader 
(look for private owner listings), eBay but it is a sellers market is 
another source.  Remember if looking for low mileage, extreme claims of low 
mileage require extreme proof (maintence records showing dates and 
mileage/review title look for descrepancies), otherwise assume an odometer 
has been changed out.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1977 300D
1979 240D





























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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:14 AM
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It seems like there are always loads of good cars over Seattle way. You're
kinda close...
Just keep your eyes peeled. Something will turn up and when you find
something bounce it off of us...we won't be afraid to let you know if what
your looking at is good or bad.
Cautionthis is a lifestyle change!

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:33 PM
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Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ?  )
but
here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style and 
it

looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue of
what i
should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/
sunroof
and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles as
possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up on ?
re books
,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual vehicle 
i

should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  .
Boise
Idaho
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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

[Tom Scordato]

thanks John.  I seems the things I suggested are in for the most part in 
affect.  Then why aremany of them still maniacs?  Are they just trying to 
get home earlier?  One maniac with 100,000 lbs is too many.  Regards Tom
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:57 PM
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On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 01:37 PM, Tom Scordato wrote:


John to answer your question no I would not mind paying more.


I know I would. You would too , you're just caught up in the moment.





  We are the
most spoiled society on earth when it comes to that.


We're spoiled in almost every aspect. (except automotive lighting)


And Trucks do not need to cost a million bucks here are a few more
thoughts
that might work, heck maybe they are being tried allready.

A) pay truckers a decent salary  (may I suggest 75,000 to 100K ? a
year plus
benefits factor in inflation) to be away from their families, not
piece meal
$ for mile that is only asking for trouble.  This would include salary
minimums for independents as well as company truckers


Some do make money like that and that's the life of a trucker.


B) limit, monitors and track speeds with engine electronic and confirm
of
trucks via satellite or some other method.


All this has been done for years and it is increasing.


C) brain and education, psycho test, similar to getting a merchant
marine
cost guard license, nuclear operators license or other licensed
positions
renewable every five years.  These are to be real strict.  Try to weed
out
the chaff.


Getting a CDL requires training and testing. Commercial drivers are
faced with stiffer penalties and can loose there license for way fewer
infractions than a common operator.


D) people and the industry can wait the extra three to five days (?)
the
lower speed limits would entail, no one is going to melt because of
it.  We
survived when it took trains three weeks to deliver something.  Matter
of
fact we actually manufactured things back then stuff the whole world
including us purchased.


The rest of the world has been accustomed to speedy service and its
the customer that inevitably sets the standard. i doubt the general
public wants to wait any longer. For some next-day is too slow.


E) weigh stations especially in the northeast (which are rarely open)
would
be required to be open allot more often (50%) of the time. Spot truck
safety
checks.


The fact that they exist and could be open dictates that they drive
safe trucks and haul safe loads. If you drove professionally, you'd
think that there are too many open too much.
In a lot of locales, they employ a system that takes info
electronically and truck just have to pass under the sensors. This can
only be used by those that meet all the requirements. Other trucks must
pull into the weigh stations.


F) satellite tracking of speed and movement to determine and limit
speed and
number of hours truck operators are on the road


In effect for a long time.


G) mandatory drug testing for uppers and downers


Same as above. Long time.


H) major bonuses for operators with a clean record who do not drive
aggressively, reward safety.  Severely penalize truckers for accidents
when
they are at fault.  Like loose your commercial license, never drive
commercially again just like if you screw up on a merchant ship, they
rip
your coast guard license up.


This is done. Insurance Cos give Safe Driver discounts and penalties
otherwise to private individuals as well as commercial drivers and
trucking companies. A CDL is a Federal License issued by the various
states, believe me, they're plenty strict as they are.


I) as an industry have a campain to educate the four wheelers to
share in
safety.


Amen, but this should be done before a license is issued after a
certain amount of infractions/accidents and periodically throughout the
life of drivers. Re-Testing should be mandatory as well. Some states
are re-testing seniors. This is a good thing. If you can't pass written
and driving tests you pose a threat to fellow drivers, pedestrians and
property and should not be allowed the privelage of a driver's license.



Make it a profession again instead of what one person told me it was
prison
for me or trucking.  Please do not compare trucks with cars by saying
they
should entail the same standards.  99% of the folks driving cars are
not
professionals.  Tuckers are supposed to be professionals, not cowboys.
There is too much at stake.


How many more rights do you want us to give up? The bad drivers
obsolete themselves over time, many lose their license and drive any
way but its near impossible to drive a truck unlicensed, thanks to the
regs you hopefully now realize are in effect.



Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE

[Tom Scordato]

Well said Dave M.!  I just love the tool,
Regards Tom Scordato
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE



John,

To add to what Tom said:

1) It takes time to look things up. The parts guys don't like spending
a lot of time getting info, just to have the customer choke on the
cost and say no thanks. So I do all my research and pricing
beforehand, and only call when I'm actually ready to order. Saves me
AND Rusty a lot of time - and money!

2) It can be very hard to describe oddball parts over the phone,
assuming you're not down at the local dealership where the parts guy
will let you look at his EPC screen and you can point to the item in
question. Having it on your own computer is awesome.

3) I like to compare parts used on early vs. late versions of the same
chassis, to find interesting upgrades, or to see what parts are
compatible with old/new, etc. This is something the parts guys have
little interest in, especially if you're going to be buying the parts
used instead of new.

4) I look up parts for Euro models in my worldwide EPC - something the
USA dealers can't do. Obtaining Euro parts can be a pain in some
cases, depending on if MB USA wants a Euro VIN number to release the
part, etc.

5) The EPC has a reverse lookup feature that I absolutely love. You
can enter a part number, and it will tell you what exact models it's
used on, and show you the group/subgroup within that model. The
worldwide version lets you specify which market (NA, Europe, Japan,
etc) if desired, to limit results. It also allows an SA search, if you
have the 5-digit SA code.

6) The EPC allows you to look up the vehicle datacard. This is great
to get color codes when buying a car, or looking at ads online - you
can tell if it's Tex or leather, and what exactly tan or gold
really is. It also means you can check the options installed. I've
done this when buying used parts, when a wrecker claims to have a
Sportline steering box, I can check the VIN and tell if it has the
proper codes or not. Most of the time the wrecker is wrong, it saves
me a lot of time and $$$ to figure this out over the phone BEFORE
placing an order.

Just a few things to keep in mind... it really is handy!

:-)

-Dave M.


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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:01:59 -0500
From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE


Why the desperation? Can't you let the folks you buy your parts from
look up the items that you need, for you? You will have to speak to a
parts person to make a purchase or choose from items on a web site any
way.
I have managed to survive all these years without one. I let the parts
guys be the parts guys and I take it from there.D

John thanks for asking.  The answer is yes I could do those things you
describe and have been bothering Rusty and others exactly as you 
describe.

But in all honesty it is my little way of being able to compare parts on
eBay, get parts from junk yards, between models ect.  Besides it gives me
something to do.  Keeps me out of pool halls and such.

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1977 300D
1979 240D


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Re: [MBZ] MB EPC ON LINE

[Tom Scordato]

Chuck thanks just a quick clarification:  EPC stands for electric parts 
catalog, or a fancy black parts picture book which gives MB part numbers.


What Marshall posted is the Mercedes Benz manuals.

Regards Tom Scordato
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Hi all,

Marshall Booth posted this site for EPC's a week or so ago...

Give it a try:http://mb.braingears.com/  and pick your model...

I've only gone to a few of the models, but it looks pretty
complete..  And they're looking for somebody who could mirror
this site.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1986 190E 2.3 16V
1980 300SD
On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Robert  Tara Ludwick wrote:


Most of the files in the 126 section lead to dead links, if you can
find
the same engine in one of the other chassis categories you may have
better luck.

--Robert




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Re: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change

[Tom Scordato]

Don, I do not know about the 1990 SEL but recently changed mine out in my 
1979 240D.  I went to Wal-Mart and bought the cheapest ATF ($1.50 a quart) 
and used about two quarts to flush it out.


Drained it, put in the cheap stuff ran it a few minutes, drained and 
repeated until the new stuff in the reservoir was same color as the new 
stuff out of the ATF bottle.  I then drained one more time and put in Mobil 
1 ATF, ($7.00 a quart) took about a quart.  Replace the filter and away you 
go.  Now I need to do my 300D as it has been almost 80K since last replaced 
it with Mobil 1 ATF.


Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Power steering fluid change



I just ordered two liters of Power Steering Fluid and a filter from
Rusty.  My power steering fluid is BROWN (like oil). Who knows how long
it has been in there.  I hope that is enough fluid to change it out.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 123k

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[MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE

[Tom Scordato]

Does anyone know if the EPC is available on line  I have been through 
three computers, and three years, two versions, two copies of the same 
version (Aug 2002) all of Daves instructions for moving files once loaded 
and still cannot get the thing to work.  For me not having this is like well 
fighting with one hand behind my back.


I know the MB tech manuals are on line.  Was wondering if the EPC was too. 
Any thoughts please.  I am getting pretty desperate.


Regards Tom Scordato 

[MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

[Tom Scordato]

Traveling on I-83 on my way to DC on business from Bellefonte PA.  Place in 
Harrisburg where you have to off ramp on I -83 to get back on I-83.  Ramp 
and up take to ramp are on a curve.  Well Traffic was stopped on the ramp. 
I saw this in time and slowed down and left my usual three car lengths.  As 
I slowed to a stop I looked in my rearview.  Here comes a full size semi 
doing what I estimate is at least 50-55 mph or better coming right at me and 
closing very, very fast.  So fast that I figured not only would I be dead 
(pulverized from the rear) but my car would be pool balled into the car 
stopped ahead of me.  No steel beauty 123 chassis was going to save me from 
this. No way instant death.  At the last nano second, I had about 6 feet of 
break down lane on my right and that three-car length space ahead of me I 
gunned it and moved into the break down lane.  He or she by some act of God 
made a swerve steering maneuver to his left, which made his load do a little 
dance, but missed me by 2 to 6 inches.  He keeps going in the left lane, 
which took you to some state road.  Like I said I would have been pulverized 
or vaporized instantaneously.  Few cars ahead would / could have been wasted 
too.




If it was a car that hit me it might have been survivable. The guy is 
driving a 100,000 lb (?) rig and flat out was not paying attention. That is 
the difference (the shear physics), which can never be overlooked.  An 
industry which should have the same safety standards as lets say the 
aerospace industry or maritime industry, is certainly lacking, big time, yet 
on a day by day basis affects as many if not more people.  It is truly out 
of control.  In my million plus miles of traveling this was the closest I 
have come to getting wasted.  Thanks Guardian Angel my dear!

[MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE

[Tom Scordato]

Why the desperation? Can't you let the folks you buy your parts from
look up the items that you need, for you? You will have to speak to a
parts person to make a purchase or choose from items on a web site any
way.
I have managed to survive all these years without one. I let the parts
guys be the parts guys and I take it from there.D

John thanks for asking.  The answer is yes I could do those things you 
describe and have been bothering Rusty and others exactly as you describe. 
But in all honesty it is my little way of being able to compare parts on 
eBay, get parts from junk yards, between models ect.  Besides it gives me 
something to do.  Keeps me out of pool halls and such.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1977 300D
1979 240D
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From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE




On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 06:11 AM, Tom Scordato wrote:


I know the MB tech manuals are on line.  Was wondering if the EPC was
too.
Any thoughts please.  I am getting pretty desperate.

Regards Tom Scordato



Why the desperation? Can't you let the folks you buy your parts from
look up the items that you need, for you? You will have to speak to a
parts person to make a purchase or choose from items on a web site any
way.
I have managed to survive all these years without one. I let the parts
guys be the parts guys and I take it from there.D

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] MB Manuals ON LINE (Tom Scordato)

[Tom Scordato]

Constantine asked about manuals

http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/Service/Library.html

Regards Tom Scordato
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: [MBZ] MB EPC Electronics Parts Catalog ON LINE (Tom Scordato)



Tom:

You mentioned that the MB tech manuals are on line.  Are you refering to 
the mb service which charges for access?


Constantine

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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

[Tom Scordato]

John Berryman said

I guess you wouldn't mind paying a lot more for every thing you buy
when trucks start costing more than a half million bucks. Note what
fuel surcharges alone can do to the price of shipping.
Maybe you should become a truck driver, it seems you might be more
attentive than some already on the job. That's where the problem really
exists, the human factor. Knowledge, skill, attitude, alertness and
emotions all factor in and vary widely between individuals.

John to answer your question no I would not mind paying more.  We are the 
most spoiled society on earth when it comes to that.
And Trucks do not need to cost a million bucks here are a few more thoughts 
that might work, heck maybe they are being tried allready.


A) pay truckers a decent salary  (may I suggest 75,000 to 100K ? a year plus 
benefits factor in inflation) to be away from their families, not piece meal 
$ for mile that is only asking for trouble.  This would include salary 
minimums for independents as well as company truckers
B) limit, monitors and track speeds with engine electronic and confirm of 
trucks via satellite or some other method.
C) brain and education, psycho test, similar to getting a merchant marine 
cost guard license, nuclear operators license or other licensed  positions 
renewable every five years.  These are to be real strict.  Try to weed out 
the chaff.
D) people and the industry can wait the extra three to five days (?)  the 
lower speed limits would entail, no one is going to melt because of it.  We 
survived when it took trains three weeks to deliver something.  Matter of 
fact we actually manufactured things back then stuff the whole world 
including us purchased.
E) weigh stations especially in the northeast (which are rarely open) would 
be required to be open allot more often (50%) of the time. Spot truck safety 
checks.
F) satellite tracking of speed and movement to determine and limit speed and 
number of hours truck operators are on the road

G) mandatory drug testing for uppers and downers
H) major bonuses for operators with a clean record who do not drive 
aggressively, reward safety.  Severely penalize truckers for accidents when 
they are at fault.  Like loose your commercial license, never drive 
commercially again just like if you screw up on a merchant ship, they rip 
your coast guard license up.
I) as an industry have a campain to educate the four wheelers to share in 
safety.


Make it a profession again instead of what one person told me it was prison 
for me or trucking.  Please do not compare trucks with cars by saying they 
should entail the same standards.  99% of the folks driving cars are not 
professionals.  Tuckers are supposed to be professionals, not cowboys. 
There is too much at stake.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA































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To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues




On Wednesday, February 1, 2006, at 06:34 AM, Tom Scordato wrote:


An
industry which should have the same safety standards as lets say the
aerospace industry or maritime industry, is certainly lacking, big
time, yet
on a day by day basis affects as many if not more people.


I guess you wouldn't mind paying a lot more for every thing you buy
when trucks start costing more than a half million bucks. Note what
fuel surcharges alone can do to the price of shipping.
Maybe you should become a truck driver, it seems you might be more
attentive than some already on the job. That's where the problem really
exists, the human factor. Knowledge, skill, attitude, alertness and
emotions all factor in and vary widely between individuals.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues

[Tom Scordato]

Robert well written, thanks for your input, kind words and professionalism. 
I am sure the operator who almost hit me learned and important lesson 
yesterday too. / Tom Scordato
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues



I just had to say something here because, besides presently owning and
driving a 115 and a 107 (...and the old 123--gone but not forgotten), I
drive an 18-wheeler for a living most of the time and have done so for
over 30 years.

Foremost in my mind when I am approaching any situation on the road is
the anticipation of what would be the most inappropriate (read: stupid)
thing that another driver could do and then plan what my reaction would
be to it. I doubt if any of you guys on the list would believe me if I
told you how often that's exactly what does happen. I'm not trying to say
that truck drivers are blameless--in fact I've seen some real boneheads
that should have not been allowed behind the wheel of any vehicle, let
alone a truck--but some of the things I've seen 4-wheeler drivers do
would simply blow you away! And I have to concede that it is probable
that the sheer numbers of 4-wheelers in comparison to the numbers of
trucks on the road blow what I've observed out of proportion somewhat.
But still...

In my years of operating these monsters my experiences have taught me to
be a defensive driver above all else and, even though I am confident
enough of my own driving abilities, I know that the beast I am herding
down the road is much more difficult to maneuver than is my 115, for
example, so I drive with that thought in mind and try to compensate in
advance for upcoming traffic situations. Unfortunately, many (most?)
4-wheeler drivers do not exhibit that concept and they drive as if these
trucks were as manageable as what they are driving and that's not the way
it is at all.  It appears from Tom Scordato's post that he was well aware
of a possible upcoming hazarous event and he acted appropriately. That
action may well have saved his life. If more people would similarly try
to be more aware and prepared, many injuries and lives lost might be
prevented. I don't know what the truck driver in question was doing when
he should have been paying attention, but he obviously was driving beyond
his capacity to control his vehicle. There could have been extenuating
circumstances, but he was obviously not in control and that's a bad
thing.

Just as in any group of people, there are those over-the-road drivers who
do their jobs efficiently and exhibit a high level of expertise--and
there are those at the other end of the scale as well. Unfortunately,
it's the ones at the lower end of the scale that often get the attention
and therefore cause some folks to generalize and form opinions based on
their (re: all Indians walk single file--at least the one that I saw
did) personal experiences which are often very limited in scope. It's
too bad but that's how it is.

Since I'm not aware of the safety standards of the aerospace or maritime
industries, I'm unable to make any informed comments, but I do know that
both the federal government as well as the individual states have the
Department of Transportation regulations which do much to enforce
compliance with safety standards.  The demise of the old Interstate
Commerce Commission left a little to be desired in as far as enforcement
of a multitude of confusing rules, but it was a step in the right
direction and all good things seem to take some time before they mature
to their fruition (is that even a word?). Unfortunately, it's not there
yet, but I have observed much progress (notice I didn't say
improvement-some of the new rules are absolutely assinine!) in this area
over the past 30 years. But they are working on it.

Anyway, I got that off my chest. I'm glad nobody was injured or
killed--that's the main thing--and one more of these amazing MBz's (with
a driver a cut above the average driver) continues to roll on it's way
and that's a good thing.
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Re: [MBZ] Wiper blades

[Tom Scordato]

Bosch Microedge Excel (comp. assy.)  $ 12.99

I have had them for three years do 45 to 50K a year in all sorts of winter 
weather. Still working. Just clean them every so often with 303 Aerospace 
sauce same stuff I use on mb tex


Regards Tom Scordato
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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Wiper blades



A few days ago, there was a discussion about wiper blades.

Today, I went looking for replacements. I found:


  Anco Universal Refill $ 4.99

  Bosch Microedge (complete assembly)   $ 7.99

  Bosch Microedge Excel (comp. assy.)  $ 12.99


Any comments on which one would be the best value?


Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes

[Tom Scordato]

David Said:

Maybe if he'd had louder pipes the truck
driver would have heard him and sped up? ;)

AMEN David, AMEN

It is still noise it does not matter if it is 1:00AM or 12 noon.  It is 
disrespectful to your neighbors and fellow citizens.  These guys/(gals too 
oh no please ?)  will always say it is for safety because of course 
(mmhhmm) who can argue with that?


I can tell you on the highway when someone is coming up on you the sound 
means nothing because it is facing the wrong way. Specially if my Becker 
Europa AM only radio is on.  Hey I got an idea for more safety lets put 
four pipes a set facing forward.  Add some Sirens too and a bull horn like 
on the movie Kelly's Heroes.  some revolving lights too with strobes.


They talk safety out one side of there mouths and also talk about how they 
like to do 80-, 90, 100 plus mph in some of these vehicles in traffic, heck 
I have seen it with my own eyes.  If you think you need so much safety just 
do not ride. That would be the safest thing!
Acting like hypocrites.  They got an answer for everything, but the answers 
are not based on logic, scientific fact or more importantly being a kind and 
considerate citizen.


Not enough to go out ride  and enjoy your vehicle with the standard issue 
muffler (put on for a reason and what is that??) we have to make noise so 
everyone can A) suffer, B) look at me riding by. C) I can get a thrill and 
the rest/majority of the folks who dispise it be damned.  Why do you just 
admit you like noise,  and most common folks who  are in the majority do not 
like it.  Remember when the good of the may out weighed the good of the few. 
What happened?


Regards Tom Scordato

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OK Don wrote:

we had one just this year - right in town. There was no car involved -
the idiot didn't need any help. Too fast is too fast, regardless of
the noise.



One motorcyclist slammed into the back of a boat trailer next to an
airport I used to frequent.  The driver of the truck towing the boat had
slowed to look at the airplanes.  Unfortunately, the biker was also
looking at the airplanes, but hadn't slowed.  He wasn't seriously hurt,
fortunately, but his bike was.  Maybe if he'd had louder pipes the truck
driver would have heard him and sped up? ;)

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Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes

[Tom Scordato]

car's noises as well as everything else.  I'm sure many are busy listening
to their stereo (or cell phone conversation), but I'd say the split of
visual vs. auditory for me is more like 60-40

Tim C/  (this is not just bikes)
I presume blind people cannot get their driving license in most states.  I 
presume Deaf people can, so that kind of proves sight is the key ingredient 
when it comes to driving.


People should not have to suffer because you selfishly think it is safer. If 
it was confined to the road only and if we had some giant sound barrier up 
on every road maybe you have a point.  How do you explain the other load non 
bike vehicles what is their reason? We could all do just 10mph and that 
would be safer too.  I still claim the safety thing is bull.  You do it 
because you like the noise.


We all got along just fine when people respected others rights to low noise 
levels.  When I (and thousands of others) am sitting in my back yard can 
hear a vehicle be it jack brakes, a pick up, car or bike A MILE AWAY  that 
is a problem.  Or when I am trying to talk to my kid in the yard and some 
brain surgeon goes by stops at the stop light and revs it up (I guess his 
engine is such a hog that it wills stall if he does not why else rev it 
up?!) and I can not hear her only the windows rattle... that is a problem It 
is being totally inconsiderate.  We all take chances when we drive.   We 
should not make others suffer though who are not even on the road.  They put 
mufflers on for a reason. That does not mean we pick and choice who uses 
them. I thank the good Lord I live up north this limits allot of this noise 
to just the summer months Nuff said I guess I may be in the minority on this 
but that does not make it right or acceptable.  in the insane world the 
sane man must appear insane.../ / Tom










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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes



Try a little experiment.  Next time a fly is buzzing around - note how you
can see it against the walls but you lose it when it goes across dark 
carpet
or the like.  It's a question of relativity - and bikes (as I mentioned) 
are

losing the advantage of their headlight (which ain't that much really) to
daytime running lights.  So, if everyone was loud, the loud pipe advantage
would go away, too.

You also assert that the majority of sensory input when driving is sight,
not sound.  Hogwash to you then.  I am listening constantly - to my own
car's noises as well as everything else.  I'm sure many are busy listening
to their stereo (or cell phone conversation), but I'd say the split of
visual vs. auditory for me is more like 60-40.  And for those that aren't
listening around me, I'm glad that German carmakers tend to be serious 
about

their horns.

It's good that you see bikes - I do too.  But that doesn't change my 
stance

that someone on a bike needs every advantage they can get - no matter how
small of an extra margin it provides - and I think, with ample evidence to
back it up, that loud pipes (as others have mentioned, they don't have to 
be
totally unmuffled Harley straight pipes, which are overkill and do 
irritate

even me) are more than just a small margin.

For pete's sake, maybe you should listen to the actual riders that have
already chimed in on this topic.

T


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T may have said They let the idiot know you're there, when
they might well
miss you.

So again my question if this theory holds true, why not have
every vehicle
loud, i.e. cars, trucks ships, airplanes ect.in every city
every town.  The
whole place the whole country can sound like a pit at a
nascar race or the
space shuttle going off.   Then we would all know where we
are.  An it would
be safer right?

Hog wash, I would guess 98% plus of what we sense when we
drive is from
sight not sound.

I do 45,000 to 55,000 miles a year in a car and I never fail
to see a bike
coming, especially with head lights on.

The noise is for the look at me ego thing.  You loud
vehicle drivers (not
just Harleys mind you) will usually never admit that though.  /Tom


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Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes

[Tom Scordato]

Robert if I ride a pedal bicycle or a scooter should I have a fog horn with 
that too to let everyone know I am coming?  How about if I cross a street, 
hey everyone carry an air horn to let it be known a pedestrian is crossing. 
Blind people would really love this.


If you choose to ride a motor bike then suck up the inherent risks.  Do not 
incontinence thousands of others for your own sake.  Or you can choose not 
to ride.  If I took up motor bike riding, I could drive a motor cycle from 
here to the moon and I would never want that noise, even if people were 
coming at me at ramming speed.  You know why?  I was taught to live by the 
Golden Rule. There is no way I would want my neighbors to suffer. A town, a 
suburb, a city, a country  is supposed to be as peaceful as possible. 
Remember that?  Remember when you got a ticket if your muffler was bad?  You 
used to in the 1960s and 1970s.  That was a good thing.  We survived just 
fine.  What happened?


Robert I am sure you are a good guy, but I tell you  if you had to ask your 
neighbors it was probably too loud.   You would have had the cops on you 
door step if you lived within a mile of me and some of my neighbors.  Why 
should my family (and countless others who are too afraid or worn down to 
speak up) suffer on account of that noise. Why?   How can the good of the 
few be more important than the good of the many??  One good reason, I have 
yet to hear one. It is pure selfishness and ego.


Cheers Tom





















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Put a few hundred thousand miles on a motorcycle and you might change
your mind.
you notice people driving with windows up, in a daze  and weaving ,
suddenly snapping to as you approach. I had the things put on after
having to take the ditch a few times due to someone not paying attention
( and a full dressed Guzzi ( note, this is not a chopper, this is a Moto
Guzzi, i.e. safest motorcycle in the world at the time ) is NOT
something that you  want to be taking a ditch on, getting airborne on
one of those things is seriously NOT fun ).
At idle and low speed riding in a civilized manner, not much diference
in sound, at highwy speed or if you crack the throttle is where they get
loud.
Yes, there are some idiots who have to make the things bark at every
light, but I'm sure that's the least of their problems.

And at the time, I asked my neighbors if it had bothered them because I
was leaving for work at 4am, not a one had heard the thing.

-Robert

Curt Raymond wrote:
Ahh the old Loud pipes save lives argument. I've read some interesting 
studies that indicate this to be at best misleading and at worst absolute 
hogwash.
  The basic gist as I understand it is that because the sound is 
non-directional and because cars are so well sound-proofed that the 
loudness sort of blends in with everyday noises and doesn't help.
  Worse yet people can be distracted from putting on their makeup or 
their cellphone conversation and actually crash INTO bikes as they look 
around for where the sound is coming from. Plus some people will get 
angered by the noise and their already shoddy driving skills will get 
even worse possibly causing accidents around the motorcycle that might 
not actually include the motorcycle itself.
  Then add that the typical loud bike is a Harley and not as manuverable 
as a real (notice the quotes, I'm not looking for flames on that one) 
sport bike, and many Harley riders are not serious (those quotes again, 
on this one I mean the doctors, lawyers and other prestige Harley 
riders) riders and as such will have an ego that doesn't keep them in a 
safe defensive driving posture thereby raising the danger statistic for 
loud bikes.


  I find 'em annoying and rude, esp at 6am when somebody cranks one up 
and I'm trying to sleep. Probably its not as much the bike's fault as the 
hillscroggin mouth breather that only thinks about how cool he thinks he 
is...


  -Curt

  Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:23:38 -0800
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Actually, loud pipes let cars (mostly driven by blithering idiots who
fail
to see anything smaller than a Suburban) know you're there.  A friend
had an
obnoxiously loud bike (he bought it that way, wasn't trying to say
look at
me) could hear him for about 3/4 of a mile away - he stated that cars
stayed away from him, even moving to the other side of their lane as he
passed.  I know if I rode a bike, I'd want that kind of situation - not
being seen usually has disastrous results when you don't have a frame
around
you.

T



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Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes

[Tom Scordato]

Are you having fun yet?

Tim C, I am loving it, how bout you?  Beats hanging out at pool halls../Tom
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Are you having fun yet?

T


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car's noises as well as everything else.  I'm sure many are 
busy listening to their stereo (or cell phone conversation), 
but I'd say the split of visual vs. auditory for me is more 
like 60-40


Tim C/  (this is not just bikes)
I presume blind people cannot get their driving license in 
most states.  I 
presume Deaf people can, so that kind of proves sight is the 
key ingredient 
when it comes to driving.


People should not have to suffer because you selfishly think 
it is safer. If 
it was confined to the road only and if we had some giant 
sound barrier up 
on every road maybe you have a point.  How do you explain the 
other load non 
bike vehicles what is their reason? We could all do just 
10mph and that 
would be safer too.  I still claim the safety thing is bull.  
You do it 
because you like the noise.


We all got along just fine when people respected others 
rights to low noise 
levels.  When I (and thousands of others) am sitting in my 
back yard can 
hear a vehicle be it jack brakes, a pick up, car or bike A 
MILE AWAY  that 
is a problem.  Or when I am trying to talk to my kid in the 
yard and some 
brain surgeon goes by stops at the stop light and revs it up 
(I guess his 
engine is such a hog that it wills stall if he does not why 
else rev it 
up?!) and I can not hear her only the windows rattle... that 
is a problem It 
is being totally inconsiderate.  We all take chances when we 
drive.   We 
should not make others suffer though who are not even on the 
road.  They put 
mufflers on for a reason. That does not mean we pick and 
choice who uses 
them. I thank the good Lord I live up north this limits allot 
of this noise 
to just the summer months Nuff said I guess I may be in the 
minority on this 
but that does not make it right or acceptable.  in the 
insane world the 
sane man must appear insane.../ / Tom










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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes


 Try a little experiment.  Next time a fly is buzzing around 
- note how 
 you can see it against the walls but you lose it when it 
goes across 
 dark carpet or the like.  It's a question of relativity - and bikes 
 (as I mentioned) are
 losing the advantage of their headlight (which ain't that 
much really) to
 daytime running lights.  So, if everyone was loud, the loud 
pipe advantage

 would go away, too.

 You also assert that the majority of sensory input when driving is 
 sight, not sound.  Hogwash to you then.  I am listening 
constantly - 
 to my own car's noises as well as everything else.  I'm 
sure many are 
 busy listening to their stereo (or cell phone 
conversation), but I'd 
 say the split of visual vs. auditory for me is more like 
60-40.  And 
 for those that aren't listening around me, I'm glad that German 
 carmakers tend to be serious about their horns.


 It's good that you see bikes - I do too.  But that doesn't change my
 stance
 that someone on a bike needs every advantage they can get - 
no matter how
 small of an extra margin it provides - and I think, with 
ample evidence to
 back it up, that loud pipes (as others have mentioned, they 
don't have to 
 be
 totally unmuffled Harley straight pipes, which are overkill and do 
 irritate

 even me) are more than just a small margin.

 For pete's sake, maybe you should listen to the actual 
riders that 
 have already chimed in on this topic.


 T

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:22 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes


 T may have said They let the idiot know you're there, when they 
 might well miss you.


 So again my question if this theory holds true, why not have every 
 vehicle loud, i.e. cars, trucks ships, airplanes ect.in every city

 every town.  The
 whole place the whole country can sound like a pit at a
 nascar race or the
 space shuttle going off.   Then we would all know where we
 are.  An it would
 be safer right?

 Hog wash, I would guess 98% plus of what we sense when we drive is 
 from sight not sound.


 I do 45,000 to 55,000 miles a year in a car and I never 
fail to see a 
 bike coming, especially with head lights on.


 The noise is for the look at me ego thing.  You loud vehicle 
 drivers (not just

Re: [MBZ] Bike Rider, Loud Pipes

[Tom Scordato]

Jim I will try to answer

James Jetton may have said What about the idiot neighbor who insists on 
running the mower, leaf blower, weed whacker, etc at 0600? At least the guy 
with loud pipes is gone in 60 seconds or so, not so this idiot who mows, 
blows, whacks for hours.


A) people buy the mower, leaf blower, weed whacker, from the shop and 
usually do not modify the pipe./exhaust to make it louder (maybe they should 
for safety)  It is standard issue.  If he is running these tools at off 
hours talk to him/her first then if that does not work he should get a 
ticket in a civilized neighborhood.


B) Yes the person in the loud vehicle is gone from YOU in 60 seconds but 
what about all the other people he is passing and affecting once he passes 
you, see it should not just be about how it affects me but the other folks 
too.  By the way some of these vehicles are so loud you can hear for miles 
so 60 seconds is not always a good time span.


Hope this helps/Tom







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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 10:16 AM
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What about the idiot neighbor who insists on running the mower, leaf 
blower, weed whacker, etc at 0600? At least the guy with loud pipes is 
gone in 60 seconds or so, not so this idiot who mows, blows, whacks for 
hours.



Tim C wrote:
Wow, I seem to have touched a nerve.




Noise tends to do that. After a while people get tired of being woken
up at night by exhaust noise rattling their windows.

James S. Jetton
1987 300SDL 136k
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[MBZ] Bike rider

[Tom Scordato]

Very Neat clip!

SOUND OFF
A least it is quiet unlike in the US where too many  like the loud bikes. 
Un like the Europeans,  we suffer more from the look at me syndrome 
Nothing negative opinion wise about riding motorcycles. I think they are 
neat, always have. But when they are louder than the space shuttle you are 
now infringing on my freedom.  I asked a local cop about the noise as one 
drove by, he put it best when he said simple things amuse simple minds 
In my day if you did not have a muffler (or it was loud) regardless of 
vehicle you got a ticket period end of story.  I cannot pin it down but 
maybe with the prevailing Nascar/Country music/Rap/It is acceptable to be a 
Red neck/ crush kill destroy,  mentality in this country in the last 20 
years it has become a free for all with the vehicle noise.  I would ticket 
everyone of these vehicles just like I deserve and have gotten tickets when 
my muffler has gone bad. Tom




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http://www.matthewfrancis.com/files/motorbikeclips/City_Madness.wmv
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Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes

[Tom Scordato]

could hear him for about 3/4 of a mile away - he stated that cars

If that thinking is true let us have every vehicle/truck/car on the roads 
have no muffler then we would be really safe and could hear each other 
coming.


I had a guy (he looked like a Hun, proally why no one wants to mess with 
these guys and question this stuff) in Pennsylvania say the same thing to 
me.  It is for safety.  But with the recent appealed helmet law he did not 
wear a helmet.  Yeah he was real concerned about safety!!??


Spade a Spade:  No it is about making noise, a power trip and saying look 
at me and nothing else. It is certainly not about humility, God forbid.  I 
would get out my decibel meter and ticket everyone of the bastards if I were 
a cop for disturbing the peace.


By degree I am a Marine/Mechanical Engineer.  On a merchant ship (Navy / 
Shore side same way) every piece a machinery we would judge by the level of 
sound.  Excessive sound and loud sound were ussually a sign of 
trouble/danger.  Most good mechanical types agree optimal design operation 
is as quiet as possible.

.   /Tom











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Actually, loud pipes let cars (mostly driven by blithering idiots who fail
to see anything smaller than a Suburban) know you're there.  A friend had 
an
obnoxiously loud bike (he bought it that way, wasn't trying to say look 
at

me) could hear him for about 3/4 of a mile away - he stated that cars
stayed away from him, even moving to the other side of their lane as he
passed.  I know if I rode a bike, I'd want that kind of situation - not
being seen usually has disastrous results when you don't have a frame 
around

you.

T


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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 3:50 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Bike rider


Very Neat clip!

SOUND OFF
A least it is quiet unlike in the US where too many  like the
loud bikes.
Un like the Europeans,  we suffer more from the look at me syndrome
Nothing negative opinion wise about riding motorcycles. I
think they are
neat, always have. But when they are louder than the space
shuttle you are
now infringing on my freedom.  I asked a local cop about the
noise as one
drove by, he put it best when he said simple things amuse
simple minds
In my day if you did not have a muffler (or it was loud)
regardless of
vehicle you got a ticket period end of story.  I cannot pin
it down but
maybe with the prevailing Nascar/Country music/Rap/It is
acceptable to be a
Red neck/ crush kill destroy,  mentality in this country in
the last 20
years it has become a free for all with the vehicle noise.  I
would ticket
everyone of these vehicles just like I deserve and have
gotten tickets when
my muffler has gone bad. Tom


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Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes

[Tom Scordato]

6am when somebody cranks one up and I'm trying to sleep.

Amen thanks Curt!/Tom
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes


Ahh the old Loud pipes save lives argument. I've read some interesting 
studies that indicate this to be at best misleading and at worst absolute 
hogwash.
 The basic gist as I understand it is that because the sound is 
non-directional and because cars are so well sound-proofed that the 
loudness sort of blends in with everyday noises and doesn't help.
 Worse yet people can be distracted from putting on their makeup or their 
cellphone conversation and actually crash INTO bikes as they look around 
for where the sound is coming from. Plus some people will get angered by 
the noise and their already shoddy driving skills will get even worse 
possibly causing accidents around the motorcycle that might not actually 
include the motorcycle itself.
 Then add that the typical loud bike is a Harley and not as manuverable as 
a real (notice the quotes, I'm not looking for flames on that one) sport 
bike, and many Harley riders are not serious (those quotes again, on 
this one I mean the doctors, lawyers and other prestige Harley riders) 
riders and as such will have an ego that doesn't keep them in a safe 
defensive driving posture thereby raising the danger statistic for loud 
bikes.


 I find 'em annoying and rude, esp at 6am when somebody cranks one up and 
I'm trying to sleep. Probably its not as much the bike's fault as the 
hillscroggin mouth breather that only thinks about how cool he thinks he 
is...


 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 07:23:38 -0800
From: Tim C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually, loud pipes let cars (mostly driven by blithering idiots who
fail
to see anything smaller than a Suburban) know you're there.  A friend
had an
obnoxiously loud bike (he bought it that way, wasn't trying to say
look at
me) could hear him for about 3/4 of a mile away - he stated that cars
stayed away from him, even moving to the other side of their lane as he
passed.  I know if I rode a bike, I'd want that kind of situation - not
being seen usually has disastrous results when you don't have a frame
around
you.

T



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Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes

[Tom Scordato]

T may have said They let the idiot know you're there, when they might well 
miss you.


So again my question if this theory holds true, why not have every vehicle 
loud, i.e. cars, trucks ships, airplanes ect.in every city every town.  The 
whole place the whole country can sound like a pit at a nascar race or the 
space shuttle going off.   Then we would all know where we are.  An it would 
be safer right?


Hog wash, I would guess 98% plus of what we sense when we drive is from 
sight not sound.


I do 45,000 to 55,000 miles a year in a car and I never fail to see a bike 
coming, especially with head lights on.


The noise is for the look at me ego thing.  You loud vehicle drivers (not 
just Harleys mind you) will usually never admit that though.  /Tom








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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike rider, loud pipes



Tim C wrote:
 Oh, and you also left out every other situation (e.g, cars
often pull
 out in front of bikes) where loud pipes can be of benefit.

No, I didn't.  Driver error in this instance is due to lack
of proper operation
of the vehicle - checking blind spots, failure to adequately
judge distance or
speed, etc.  How do loud pipes correct this?  They don't.


They let the idiot know you're there, when they might well miss you.

T

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Re: [MBZ] Bike rider

[Tom Scordato]

So we should not give out tickets when peoples mufflers go bad?
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bike rider



When I used to ride a MotoGuzzi, I had straight pipes on the thing. I
didn't like the noise at all, but the things make the people in their
cars who never bother to look before changing lanes etc, to wake up.
Straight pipes will help you to keep from getting creamed. We used to
have a saying  straight pipes save lives.
as a footnote, I've known a few guys get tickets for them.but NEVER
heard of anyone getting a ticket from a motorcycle cop for them.

-Robert

Tom Scordato wrote:

Very Neat clip!

SOUND OFF
A least it is quiet unlike in the US where too many  like the loud bikes.
Un like the Europeans,  we suffer more from the look at me syndrome
Nothing negative opinion wise about riding motorcycles. I think they are
neat, always have. But when they are louder than the space shuttle you 
are

now infringing on my freedom.  I asked a local cop about the noise as one
drove by, he put it best when he said simple things amuse simple minds
In my day if you did not have a muffler (or it was loud) regardless of
vehicle you got a ticket period end of story.  I cannot pin it down but
maybe with the prevailing Nascar/Country music/Rap/It is acceptable to be 
a

Red neck/ crush kill destroy,  mentality in this country in the last 20
years it has become a free for all with the vehicle noise.  I would 
ticket
everyone of these vehicles just like I deserve and have gotten tickets 
when

my muffler has gone bad. Tom



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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Trans Fluid/progress report

[Tom Scordato]

Pep Boys carries it here in State College PA. almost $7 per quart
- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 5:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Trans Fluid/progress report




Today I stopped at Advance Auto Parts and Wally-World ISO M1 Trans 
fluid. I found none. I'm sure I bought it at Advance before but 2 
different stores had no stock.
Anyone aware of where it can be had? Its not an emergency but sometime 
soon I would like to change the fluid over to Mobil 1 as well as the 
filter. Same goes for PS and filter.
I have but a couple of minor tasks to complete to bring my new 190D 
Euro up to speed as far as maintenance goes. So far, I have replaced 
all 4 tires with Bridgestones, replaced shocks and struts with 
Bilsteins, new Sway bar links (I believe I caused one to break by not 
supporting trailing arm when changing rear shocks), replaced master 
cylinder and all brake hoses(DOT 3 was used some time in the past and 
dissolved plenty of rubber), rebuilt all 4 calipers, new pads all 
around, Euro lights and clear corner lights, CHANGED ALL THE 
FUSES(Marshall), Mobil 1 15-50 and filter, serpentine belt,tensioner 
and shock, complete paint job, all new outside bulbs, new blower and AC 
switch knobs (big job),replaced articulating single wiper with a used 
set-up, valve cover gasket, rubber connectors for EGR pipe, fuel and 
air filters, all rubber fuel lines.
Things left to do: Trans fluid and filter, PS fluid and filter, wiper 
motor seems weak(or I have another problem), replace Hirschmann antenna 
circuit board(it is a Euro and the circuit boards are different) the 
only parts I am lacking are M 1 trans fluid, the circuit board and 
possibly wiper motor.
This is a nice example of a 201 190D 2.5na Euro w/62,000mi. As it 
sits, I have $2,600 into it including purchase price($1,200) and all 
above mentioned parts and repairs. I expect to spend less than $200 
additional to cover repairs yet to be completed and get at least 10 
years service out of it. Unless somebody really wants it for $5,000.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am


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Re: [MBZ] Electronics Parts Catalog

[Tom Scordato]

Got it working thanks Dave!
- Original Message - 
From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electronics Parts Catalog



Tom,

Do you have these instructions already:

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/other/EPC_Read_Me!.txt

I'd stick with the August-2002 version on CD-ROM, btw. If you have
followed the instructions at the link above, to the letter, please
send me an email off-line with the exact error/failure and when it
occurs (during install, after install, etc). WIth XP Pro, you should
be able to get it working, with no extra hoop-jumping such as
VirtualCD, etc.

:)

+dm


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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:55:56 -0500
From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ]  Electronics Parts Catalog


Three computers later the latest being a brand new Dell Laptop with XP
profess loaded and three different versions 09/2001; 08/2002; 
10/2003Bell

and Howell EPC and I can not get one to work.  Computer is brand spanking
new and has all the room in the world.  Tried to load each twice after 
each

time removing

Anyone there who can walk me through this off line?

Regards Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [MBZ] Electronics Parts Catalog

[Tom Scordato]

Thank you Gary.  I got her working what a relief!
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electronics Parts Catalog



Tom,

I've found some internet security software will keep the EPC from running
successfully.

The last new Dell I saw came loaded with McAfee's antivirus and firewall. 
It

loaded up and ran the 08/2002 EPC fine. When Norton Internet Security was
loaded on the same machine, one of the EPC daemons would immediately 
crash,

and the EPC wouldn't run.

YMMV


Gary Thompson
1995 E320


On 1/17/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Three computers later the latest being a brand new Dell Laptop with XP
profess loaded and three different versions 09/2001; 08/2002; 
10/2003Bell

and Howell EPC and I can not get one to work.  Computer is brand spanking
new and has all the room in the world.  Tried to load each twice after
each
time removing

Anyone there who can walk me through this off line?

Regards Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [MBZ] mistakes a diesel owner should not make

[Tom Scordato]

Just ran into a business associate of mine.  He is real proud of his new VW 
TDI.  Loves it.  Except the time recently he filled it with GASOLINE.  A 
$700 dollar mistake.  I thought see if you owned a MB diesel you might not 
have made that mistake, although I have come close.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1977 300D
1979 240D
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] mistakes a diesel owner should not make


You old men can be so forgetful sometimes.How's the eye sight up in 
corn-land?


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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:29:34 AM
Subject: [MBZ] mistakes a diesel owner should not make


240D cranked a little slow when I was going home from work yesterday. No
problem, I told myself, just slap on the battery charger overnight.

When I got home, parked the car outside intending to put it in the garage
(and attach the battery charger) after supper. Got involved in a three 
hour

household project and forgot all about the car.

Walked out of the house and into the garage at 7:30 this morning. Hey,
where's my car?  Oooops, it was outside in mid-teen temps with a non-100%
battery. Glow plug light didn't come on, either (a common problem when the
car is really cold).

So ... before walking to my office (just a few blocks) I hooked up the
battery charger!

Note to self -- put the car in the garage immediately after arriving at 
the

house, especially in the winter.





--
1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T

[Tom Scordato]

Enjoy it Sunil!!
Regards Tom Scordato
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1992 300D 2.5T



I'm now the proud owner of a 1992 MB 300D 2.5T - I'm the third owner, all
records, smoke silver with beige MB-Tex, 286Kmi.  I'm taking delivery this
weekend.

--
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Re: [MBZ] 123 radio guidance?

[Tom Scordato]

beyond the capabilities of 1970s technology.

reversed engineered from the famous Nazis UFO crash in Germany in the mid 
1930s I presume


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Subject: [MBZ] 123 radio guidance?



I found a site showing various options available on the 123 at
http://www.mercedes-damien.com/historique/modeles%20sous%20menu/W123/optionsW123.htm

It has the usual stuff you never see like the preheater and the cell
phone, but at the very bottom of the page is a little rotary knob
captioned Radio guidance sensor.  Huh?  There is the factory option
code 351 autopilot system (COMAND?) and we all know Mercedes did its
best work with slide rules and not computers, but I think this is a bit
beyond the capabilities of 1970s technology.

So, anyone know what the heck it is?

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Fat lotta good

[Tom Scordato]

that they'll at least moderate

When a three bedroom squeak box house only cost you $500K anywhere within 
the 100 mile commuting  (one way) radius of Boston
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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fat lotta good



Oh a wise guy huh? Why I outta.

 We were going to buy a condo anyway. House prices in New England are 
outta site but predictions are that they'll at least moderate as the 
boomers retire and take off for warmer locals. Condo prices should stay 
strong because of those same boomers downsizing. Thats what I'm hoping 
anyway, been reading that in different sources lately.

 Its always nice when your plans come together with the predictions.

 So I figured if we were getting a condo anyway we ought to get one that 
faces the parking lot so I've got someplace to plug in.


 I've been thinking about a new battery and thinking I ought to have BOTH 
batteries tested and then put a new one in the 190D and the better of the 
two old ones in the 240D before I sell it.


 -Curt

 Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:29:31 -0800
From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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run a cord. We're looking to buy a condo with parking lot frontage

for

this very reason. For now though if the stupid block heater worked

I'd

be okay with my battery to power it.


An Espar/Webasto fuel-fired preheater, even at full-boat retail,
has _got_ to be cheaper than a condo.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] Electronics Parts Catalog

[Tom Scordato]

Three computers later the latest being a brand new Dell Laptop with XP 
profess loaded and three different versions 09/2001; 08/2002;  10/2003Bell 
and Howell EPC and I can not get one to work.  Computer is brand spanking 
new and has all the room in the world.  Tried to load each twice after each 
time removing


Anyone there who can walk me through this off line?

Regards Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: [MBZ] Non Diesel but looks like a good deal

[Tom Scordato]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/124295953.html

Re: [MBZ] 123 crash video

[Tom Scordato]

Robert was reported as saying

I'll jump in a 123 any day of the week. I would not feel safe at all in one 
of those Expeditions


Does the word brick sh_t house mean anything to you!  Great point Robert!

Regards Tom Scordato
- Original Message - 
From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 crash video



I love how it says *w123* one of Mercedes most popular models shows off
its (for its time) technological superiority.
For it's time...Heck, I saw a one year old Ford Expedition in the
boneyard last week that didn't fare anywhere near as well as that 123 (
not a severe wreck either, a simple 1x low speed rollover, the thing
looked like lasagna, all doors sprung ( from the wreck, not rescue )roof
line colapsed in a twist into passenger compartment, every passenger
position was either a serious injury or death...gave me the creeps ).
I'll jump in a 123 any day of the week. I would not feel safe at all in
one of those Expeditions.
Instead of saying for it's time it should say: ahead of it's time

---Robert

Hendrik Riessen wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5396839096066486024q=w123+Crash+Tests
Watch carefully to see the seat belt pre-tensioner and what happens when 
kids are not properly restrained.


Hendrik
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[MBZ] Ponton Project 190D

[Tom Scordato]

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/car/122882257.html

Re: [MBZ] Shipping a car

[Tom Scordato]

IF IT IS DRIVEABLE one thought might be to Buy the car, get a cheap flight 
out and drive it back

1.  gets the bugs out
2.  eliminate possible horrors I have read about visa via trucking outfits 
and cars.

3. can see it before the last payment is made

I did this this fall Phoenix to Bellefonte PA. 1979 240D 2400 miles or so.
Took me two and 1/2 days or so and it was a pleasure.  Ended up being about 
less than half the cost to ship if you include cheap hotel stays, food, gas 
and plane ride.


Regards
Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
77 300D
79 240D


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Shipping a car



Could anyone who has had experience buying a car from out of state and
shipping it offer me any advice about the process.  I am looking for
suggestions about shipping companies, ways to make payment easier,
timing for the transaction, insurance, etc.



Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn  Herrington, P.A.

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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[MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Tom Scordato]

Phil thanks for your view a few rebuttals and I am going to quite on this 
one.




For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have
driven nearly 1,000,000 total



I have driven 40,000 to 70,000 miles a year in a car since 1984.  That puts 
me close to a million miles too, much of it with trucks at my side or 
breathing down my back.




How many of those are the fault of the car? Just because a truck was
involved does _not_ mean that the truck is to blame



Very true, but as the largest thing on the road the damage done no mater who 
is at fault is exponential compared to a car.  Even more reason these tuck 
drivers should be ultra conservative




Yup. But there's nothing inherently dangerous about driving for 12
hours a day. And when the job pays by the mile, who would not want to
squeeze as many mile as practical



Even if it involves staying in the left land, driving two inches from a cars 
butt, speeding and breaking many other infractions.  I disagree if it is 
like walk with a dozen happy puppies trying to greet me as you say Phil 
this takes major concentration especially in a truck.  The whole trucking 
philosophy / payment schedule that you are trying to push the envelope with 
a 50-ton vehicle stinks.




One consequence is that a truck driver
is often reluctant to slow down because it can take so long to get
back up to speed. (One truck I drove, with a full load on level ground
would take more than 1.5 miles to go from 50 mph to 60 mph) Add to
that the frustration of lost momentum at the bottom of a hill that can
result in losing 4 gears on the climb rather than 1 gear - all
because an idiot 4-wheeler was doing something stupid



Too bad, as a trucker that is the life you chose.  If I am a doctor I do not 
complain about blood.  If I am a professional football player I do not 
complain about getting hit. If I am a pilot I do not complain about altitude 
sickness.   Truckers should have the brains to slow down. Safety is just not 
paramount among many of them.   Trains had it worse and slower problems, be 
thankful for 55 mph.  It they get there an hour later without pushing the 
envelope that is a good thing.  Every truck regardless of what some




Phil your argument is the same I have heard for 20 years.  Trucks want the 
same thing that a two-ton car wants.  They want to pass at will, they want 
to speed, they want the same accountability as a car.  That is like asking 
an oil tanker to abide by the same rules as a sailboat.




Phil, I could go on, but my arguments are not going to convince you or your 
peers.  It is a whole different mindset/way of thinking.  Truckers think the 
country would not function with out them yet fail to realize the poor 
person, doctor , teacher, engineer, ect. matter just as much to keep this 
country going.  Difference is most of them comuting are not being paid 
directly to move up and down the road.  The vast majority of the jerks in 
the cars  are subsidizing the very trucking industry by paying the lions 
share of the interstate taxes for the roads most of the truckers run on.




Regards

Tom Scordato

Bellefonte PA
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Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks



rumor has it that Tom wrote:


Bill R said
almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler.  About as scared as I ever 
got



Spout off time...


Now for the other side...

For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have
driven nearly 1,000,000 total.


The trucking industry is out of control.  The worse the
weather the faster they go.  Route 80 which is a big interstate (NY to 
San

Fran) is closed almost weekly in PA  now due to accidents  which involve
trucks.


How many of those are the fault of the car? Just because a truck was
involved does _not_ mean that the truck is to blame. The view from the
drivers seat in a big truck during heavy traffic reminds me of trying
to walk with a dozen happy puppies trying to greet me. I'm afraid I'll
step on one if I try to move.


Basically a free for all.  I read US traffic from trucks has
increased 100% in the last 10 years. I have tried to talk to some of 
these

garage haulers.



From what I've seen, the quantity of dangerous drivers is much higher

in cars than it big trucks. Sure, there are maniac truck drivers. And
a 40 ton truck driven by a maniac _is_ scarier than a
maniac-driven Fiero.



Some of these guys/gals are traveling 600 to 700 miles a
day, 6 to 7 days a week


Yup. But there's nothing inherently dangerous about driving for 12
hours a day. And when the job pays by the mile, who would not want to
squeeze as many mile as practical? Add to that the nutty scheduling
that dispatches hand out, plus shippers and receivers that pay _no_
attention to the amount of wasted driver's time.

Here's a typical situation. Dispatch says I have a 500 mile load for
you

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go

[Tom Scordato]

Bob said One of my  most
satisfying driving experiences.

Amen,  Bob great story.  Sometimes these things happen what goes around 
sometimes comes around.  Great story thanks.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
77 300D
79 240D

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go



Tom shared:

I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass
when entering a highway  on ramp though just as an act of kindness.  Other
than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds.  It does not hurt that
much compared to the real problems in the world,

We all know how much more smokey the exhaust looks at night when some
impatient clown is right up in your trunk...
The other night I was going along at the speed limit on a strech of single
lane road along which there are three stop signs and a fair amount of
traffic. This bozo was right on my rear the enite time swerving around 
like

he's trying to dodge the exhaust. When the single lane turned into two, he
flew around me like I was nailed to the pavement. About a mile down the
road, he was pulled over by Lohn Law. As I drove by, the cop, whom I know,
waved at me and the dork in the Neon, whom I don't know, waved at me
although not in the same way and using only one finger. One of my  most
satisifing driving experiences.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 146K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Tom Scordato]

Bill R said
almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler.  About as scared as I ever got


Spout off time...The trucking industry is out of control.  The worse the 
weather the faster they go.  Route 80 which is a big interstate (NY to San 
Fran) is closed almost weekly in PA  now due to accidents  which involve 
trucks.  Basically a free for all.  I read US traffic from trucks has 
increased 100% in the last 10 years. I have tried to talk to some of these 
garage haulers.  Some of these guys/gals are traveling 600 to 700 miles a 
day, 6 to 7 days a week (PA has become the dump for NY and NJ, basically a 
milk run no wonder they are maniacs, familiarity breeds contempt) and they 
drive those things like Porsches.  Big difference in rig weighing 100,000lbs 
doing 80 mph and my 240D at less than two tons doing 70 mph.  Something will 
need to be done about this nightmare...satellite tracking of each truck to 
measure/report speed is one answer, but how do you  do you handle the three 
inches from your but stuff?  Maybe separate roads?  Only one good trucking 
outfit which drives correctly that I see, JB Hunt and they have become the 
brunt of all the other truckers jokes.  I guess the other folks think they 
are wimpy because they drive safe.  Unless a highway merge is taking place, 
they should all just stay in the right lane, trains could not pass, why do 
they think they should.  (truck doing 25 mph passing the one doing 15 mph up 
a steep incline/two lane interstate f) We need a good diesel sky 
car...do a search on the Mollier sky car, it may be sooner than we think! 
Sorry fo spouting off


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
77 300D
79 240D



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Amen to the story.  One of my most memorable was several years ago when I
had a thrice weekly trip from Western Indiana into Indianapolis.  After a
bad snow/ice storm when the interstate was just reopened and still very 
icy,

I was doing about 40 mph - probably faster than I should have, and was
almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler.  About as scared as I ever got
on that road.  10 miles later I saw this very innocent faced driver trying
to explain to a trooper how his rig had ended up with the front end on one
guard rail and the other end on the opposite one when he couldn't stay on
the road for an exit ramp.  I felt like stopping and adding my version of
how it might have happened.  Didn't though.  Probably should have.
BillR
Jacksonville  FL
1981 300SD  EM  270072 miles


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Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:41 PM
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Bob said One of my  most
satisfying driving experiences.

Amen,  Bob great story.  Sometimes these things happen what goes around
sometimes comes around.  Great story thanks.

Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
77 300D
79 240D

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Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go



Tom shared:

I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass
when entering a highway  on ramp though just as an act of kindness. 
Other

than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds.  It does not hurt that
much compared to the real problems in the world,

We all know how much more smokey the exhaust looks at night when some
impatient clown is right up in your trunk...
The other night I was going along at the speed limit on a strech of 
single

lane road along which there are three stop signs and a fair amount of
traffic. This bozo was right on my rear the enite time swerving around
like
he's trying to dodge the exhaust. When the single lane turned into two, 
he

flew around me like I was nailed to the pavement. About a mile down the
road, he was pulled over by Lohn Law. As I drove by, the cop, whom I 
know,

waved at me and the dork in the Neon, whom I don't know, waved at me
although not in the same way and using only one finger. One of my  most
satisifing driving experiences.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 146K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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[MBZ] 240 vs SD Go

[Tom Scordato]

With the 240D,
I've come close to being t-boned a time or two because I just wasn't quick
enough accelerating.

I say the rat bastards with there rock climbers will just have to weight and 
slow down.  As slow as your (and my) 240D is it is still much faster than 
walking or taking the horse and buggy.  People should be thankful of that 
fact.  I thought the rural folk in Iowa would not be so yuppified as to 
realize that?  I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass 
when entering a highway  on ramp though just as an act of kindness.  Other 
than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds.  It does not hurt that 
much compared to the real problems in the world, like not having food.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
77 300D slow
79 240D slower

















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Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:50 AM
Subject: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go



LT Don wrote:

The '77 240D held a steady 85 mph coming back from OkieQ and saw 90 mph --
but it took a while to get there. ... I find that my greatest driving 
hazard
here in rural Iowa is being too slow pulling away from a stop sign at a 
four

way stop. Other drivers are used to timing their own acceleration based on
how quickly a gasser (especially a V8 pickup) pulls away. With the 240D,
I've come close to being t-boned a time or two because I just wasn't quick
enough accelerating.

Might be time for that S-Class.
---
Oh, I think so, Don. Compared to a 240, an SD feels like a
small-block 8 off the line. A few grains of sand or bit of dew on the
pavement and you get wheelspin, and a bit more when it hits 2nd. Hold
it in second and you can actually power drift tight corners with
nicely controllable throttle-induced oversteer. And I'll bet
high-speed mileage is no worse, perhaps better. Plus, at 85, you've
still got 17 more to go for top speed, and still feels quite willing.
Shudda bought my 300SD for $2,500 before I decided I couldn't live
without it and kept it! :-)

Dan
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82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 186k
82 Mercedes 300SD, 275k

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[MBZ] Tire Qualiy

[Tom Scordato]

Is it me or are tires not lasting as long as they did?   I seem to remember 
getting more mileage (and more even wear) from Michelin, Goodyear ect. all 
season radial tires in general on many types of sedan and station wagon 
vehicles in the mid to late 1980 when this country was on a quality push.


My mechanic said the same thing, tires over the last 5 years or so are not 
lasting as long.  Not just on the MB I have but he say in general across the 
board.  I have no scientific proof but...  Your thoughts?


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA



































- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spare 115 relays?



Got me then on red dot.  The large thing is what Gump came with.
Finding that console at PnP is rare compared to the other and I would
have to assume from taking the parts out of the console that placement
down low for the larger relay  may have interfered with the squirrel
cage for the AC.  Then, again, the ash tray takes up the same depth at
that latitude.

Part is part, and I would be more inclined to really screw with things
if I had a warm dry place to work .  Worked well in the summer when it
was not raining, but now, just no room, and I am not allowed to spray
paint inside either.

I may just have to seal old Gump up for winters and vacuum wrap her to
keep her dry.

On Thursday, January 5, 2006, at 10:57 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


I am a lazy SOB, and have spent the past two days chasing a trunk leak
in the driving rain.  For the life of me, i have no idea where the
water is getting in.  About to park my behind in the trunk with a
light
and see where it is getting in.  New tail lights with gaskets and
newer
trunk seal.  Have not been able to find if the rear window is leaking.


Probably that, or the fuel grommet.  My understanding of leak
faults is #1 taillights, #2 window.  The rest lost in the noise.
But I could have those first two backwards!


A huge genset is not the same as a silly relay


Parts is parts, it's all just a matter of scale.  And the will
to not take any backtalk from machinery, neither big nor small.
Sometimes, of course, it has the last word anyway.


Not sure why some cars got the red dot and some had the other.  May be
an AC thing.  now that I think on it, the dots are found in the cars
with air at PnP, and found the larger ones on non AC.  Also something
with the seat belt lamp being in the place the red dot lives.


Riddle me this:  the Frankenheap has no AC, and has a red dot.
The Ebola Fishtank has AC, and has a red dot.   I think it's just
age-related.

-- Jim


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Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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[MBZ] Windshield can't be wiped?

[Tom Scordato]

Marshall said
. Something on the windshield (oily deposits or chemicals). Bon Ami
will take it off  My question of the two shown below which do you 
recommend. Cleaning powder of the cleanser  I was is Wal-mart to day they 
did not carry it.


this is the stuff
http://housewares.hardwarestore.com/35-176-all-purpose-cleaners/bon-ami-cleanser-145961.aspx

http://housewares.hardwarestore.com/35-176-all-purpose-cleaners/bon-ami-cleaning-powder-648116.aspx


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte Pa












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From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield can't be wiped?



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I don't know what's wrong with my windshield, but the wiper will not
clear the water off of it. It just kind of smears it around. This is with
wipers of 3 different brands, including Bosch and Napa's teflon
blade. There is good spring tension pressing down on the blade.

Could there be some kind of chemical on my windshield making this
happen? Maybe an old dose of RainX? Maybe car wash liquid
wax? Is there any way to get it off?


There are 3 different causes of what you describe.

1. Something on the windshield (oily deposits or chemicals). Bon Ami
will take it off (don't use any other cleanser - they are too abrasive
and will scratch the glass). coca cola is supposed to work too (I've
never tried it myself).

2. The blade is old/damaged. A NEW/fresh Bosch or Mercedes blade will
solve that. Sometimes the blade can be cleaned, but that's usually a
short lived fix. A new blade EVERY year is usually required for reliable
cleaning.

3. The blade is not held against the windshield properly. This may be
because the stainless strip is installed incorrectly (the convex side
must point toward the windshield), the arm tension is insufficient, OR
the angle of the blade is incorrect (the arm may need to be bent to
properly set the blade angle so it's the same in BOTH directions of 
travel).


Marshall
--
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  der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Windshield can't be wiped?

[Tom Scordato]

Kevin

If tension is ok in wiper blade arms, clean windshield real well with a 
sponge and warm dish soap water.   Use elbow grease.  Rinse with warm water. 
Repeat.  Windex using a clean rag may work too.  Get  a new set of Bosch 
blades or clean the tips of your old ones with clean soapy water.  Then take 
a clean rag and spray 303 Aerospace protector on it and run the rage up and 
down the tip of the wiper blades.


I have Bosch blades which are aproaching three years and 80K miles which are 
still holding up.  Hope this helps.


Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA
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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Windshield can't be wiped?



I don't know what's wrong with my windshield, but the wiper will not
clear the water off of it. It just kind of smears it around. This is with
wipers of 3 different brands, including Bosch and Napa's teflon
blade. There is good spring tension pressing down on the blade.

Could there be some kind of chemical on my windshield making this
happen? Maybe an old dose of RainX? Maybe car wash liquid
wax? Is there any way to get it off?

Sorry to pester everyone with such a dumb question.

Kevin

'91 300D 156000 mi
'84 300TD 216000 mi
:`( '87 190D RIP and sold to Mitch


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Re: [MBZ] Rebuilt Odometers/Speedometers

[Tom Scordato]

Nick might have said:I bought it from some guy here in Austin after making 
him feel guilty for

not just selling the gears.  He repairs odos and originally would not sell
me just the gear but wanted to charge a 100 bucks to fix it

Nick was that James or Ron at Overseas Speedometer in Austin Texas?  They 
have done me right over the years.



Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA





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I bought it from some guy here in Austin after making him feel guilty for
not just selling the gears.  He repairs odos and originally would not sell
me just the gear but wanted to charge a 100 bucks to fix it.

N


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Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:50 PM
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Where did you get a gear for $5.00 ?? This place
http://www.odometergears.com/ wants $29/gear, or three for $65.

On 1/2/06, Nick Wellinghoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you just need to rebuild your odo don't waste your money sending it
someone who is just going to replace the one little plastic gear in there
that breaks over time.  I bought the gear for 5 bucks and replaced it
myself. Total time, 30 min.

N



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Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K,  '81 240D 173K,  '78 450SLC 67K, '97
Ply Grand Voyager 78K

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[MBZ] Gull Wing

[Tom Scordato]

Honey can we get this for my Birthday...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1956-MERCEDES-BENZ-300SL-GULLWING-COPENHAGEN-SHOW-CAR_W0QQitemZ4600816537QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem