Re: [MBZ] no list digest for me
hi Dan! do you have any idea if there's any chance the link to Unsubscribe/Delivery Options might be getting fixed sometime soon? it still goes to some page where a password is required to proceed,... cheers! e On 25/Mar/15 11:02, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I'll look into it, Rick. The admin interface got fixed last night, so maybe they blow something when they fixed the admin part That's Okiemail for you. Dan Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: i haven't received any list mails (in digest) for 24 hours what's up with that? i get all my other emails thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Unsubscribe or change delivery options?
sorry to bother all, but when i tried to research this in the archive, i got a coupla'-hunnert thousand results (that weren't sortable by date,...). going to the URL listed at the bottom of every post takes me to a cPanel site that asks me for a password; how do i find out what my password is? cheers! e To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com; ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Temporal Discontinuity
it's even more fun as you drive through the reservations,... driving into the Navajo nation from Arizona, you have to adjust to Navajo Time, since the Navajo nation straddles several states and they observe DST. drive into the Hopi nation (which is completely surrounded by the Navajo nation) you have to adjust back to AZ time, since the Hopi don't observe DST. adjust again as you come out of the Hopi Nation into the Navajo nation, and again as you leave the Navajo and come back to AZ,... confused yet? cheers! e On 10/Mar/15 06:43, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: It's always great sport trying to figure out local Arizona time. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: fmiser wrote: I think HI and AZ are the only states that still don't. NM is seriously considering no DST - just to be like their neighbor, perhaps. Correct? Craig? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Temporal Discontinuity
correct. AZ doesn't observe DST, and neither do the Hopi, while the Navajo nation (part of which overlaps AZ and surrounds the Hopi Rez) does. cheers! e On 15/Mar/15 09:30, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yes! I thought AZ did NOT recognize DST. On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:03 AM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: it's even more fun as you drive through the reservations,... driving into the Navajo nation from Arizona, you have to adjust to Navajo Time, since the Navajo nation straddles several states and they observe DST. drive into the Hopi nation (which is completely surrounded by the Navajo nation) you have to adjust back to AZ time, since the Hopi don't observe DST. adjust again as you come out of the Hopi Nation into the Navajo nation, and again as you leave the Navajo and come back to AZ,... confused yet? cheers! e On 10/Mar/15 06:43, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: It's always great sport trying to figure out local Arizona time. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: fmiser wrote: I think HI and AZ are the only states that still don't. NM is seriously considering no DST - just to be like their neighbor, perhaps. Correct? Craig? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: https://server.secureplusplusfour.net:2083/cpsess595060604/3rdparty/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bad Cat!
does yours actually still have the Particulate Trap? there were 2 separate campaigns to have those replaced, both were at no cost to the owner. (first one replaced the Trap; second one replaced that with something else.) if any previous owner ever took that car to the dealer, odds are that that Trap is long gone. IIRC, the part that was put in as part of the second campaign has a 126 P/N visible on it when installed. cheers! e On 19/Feb/15 12:59, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My 1985 CA version 300TD has a revered catalytic (trap) ozidizer, which I pet every night before going to bed. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do the authorities inspect and test where you are? Could you clean them all out and use the o2 simulators to avoid the issue, or is that going to produce other legal type problems? RB On 18/02/2015 5:50 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: This thing has four cats. A pair upstream off each manifold, then a pair downstream in the middle of the car clay On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If it's like the 99 e430 you can replace the right or left side separate Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:22 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found that the down stream cat (pass. side) has crumbled inside. Now the S430 (2002) sounds like it is being powered by a giant pepper grinder. Is it possible to just replace the misbehaving cat or do I need to do the whole dual cat pipe? If I can do single cat, will generic cat work, or must a OE cat be stuffed in there? Meineke or will I have to get on my knees at the dealer? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Bad Cat!
there were 2 campaigns; without knowing the numbers, i don't know if you've got the latest. or, call a dealer with your VIN; they should have the records for what they paid to replace.;-) cheers! e On 20/Feb/15 09:51, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: My car has been through the campaign and has a replacement trap oxidizer. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:36 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org mailto:erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: does yours actually still have the Particulate Trap? there were 2 separate campaigns to have those replaced, both were at no cost to the owner. (first one replaced the Trap; second one replaced that with something else.) if any previous owner ever took that car to the dealer, odds are that that Trap is long gone. IIRC, the part that was put in as part of the second campaign has a 126 P/N visible on it when installed. cheers! e On 19/Feb/15 12:59, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: My 1985 CA version 300TD has a revered catalytic (trap) ozidizer, which I pet every night before going to bed. On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do the authorities inspect and test where you are? Could you clean them all out and use the o2 simulators to avoid the issue, or is that going to produce other legal type problems? RB On 18/02/2015 5:50 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: This thing has four cats. A pair upstream off each manifold, then a pair downstream in the middle of the car clay On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: If it's like the 99 e430 you can replace the right or left side separate Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2015, at 8:22 PM, clay via Mercedesmercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found that the down stream cat (pass. side) has crumbled inside. Now the S430 (2002) sounds like it is being powered by a giant pepper grinder. Is it possible to just replace the misbehaving cat or do I need to do the whole dual cat pipe? If I can do single cat, will generic cat work, or must a OE cat be stuffed in there? Meineke or will I have to get on my knees at the dealer? clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archiveshttp://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] interesting 123
word i've heard is the '85s had the higher rear-end ratio because the also have a different Injection Pump that was supposed to have help create a tad more HP. (downside is that those pumps also seem to have more electrical connection, so that they won't run with the battery disconnected like most other mechanical injection diesels.) cheers! e On 18/Feb/15 07:43, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: I have always had trouble understanding rear end ratios. So, a lower number is a taller gear and you get better fuel mileage at the cost of acceleration, but you get higher top end speed? Is that right? Why would they want to reduce acceleration on a diesel? Is it because it has the turbo to help with acceleration and thus the trade off is mitigated? Don Snook -Original Message- From: Mike Gildea [mailto:mikgi...@icloud.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 8:11 AM To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] interesting 123 Yes, the 85s are quicker off the line due to a high stall torque converter. Turbo engages almost immediately. It has a 2.88:1 rear end ratio for better fuel economy. It has a A/C cut out when flooring the throttle for more passing power. Has extra shift controls (vacuum) for smoother shifting. Mike G 2 85 300TDs Isn't there some weird stuff about the 85 that is unique. Don Snook __ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis
sounds very much like a Crankshaft Position Sensor failure i had on another vehicle. cheers! e On 17/Feb/15 10:25, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: I know this is a Mercedes list, but I am having a problem with my BMW. It is a 2000 BMW 740iL with 216,000 miles. Yesterday I had to make a trip to a town about 35 miles away and it started acting up. It felt like a misfire. If I was going at a constant cruise on the highway (75-80 mph), it was going great. But, when I had to climb a hill or accelerate, it started sort of jerking, like a misfire. It felt like a bad plug or plug wire (I know this engine doesn't have wires, but that is what it felt like). As I went further it got worse. I arrived in the town, took care of my appointment and headed back. Same thing. If I had to accelerate, it started jerking and bucking. At a steady cruise it was fine. I decided I would replace the plugs (I have had it for over 40,000 miles and have not done them). I think they were done previously with a little over 120,000 miles. I stopped at Autozone and got the plugs and headed home. My house is ten minutes away. As I pulle d into my subdivision, it stalled. It would not restart. It just cranked and cranked. So, I am pretty sure that means its fuel. I parked it on the first street and walked home (it was only 5-6 blocks). I thought I would try again in the morning. So, my wife and drove over and I tried starting the car. As soon as I hit the key, it cranked and turned over, but stumbled and died. Then, it would only crank -- not start. Sounds like fuel, right? The SES light came on a week or so ago. I was going to bring it to my guy and assumed he would say, it was O2 sensor. Now, I am not so sure. The SES could be signaling misfire, because I think the computer shuts off fuel to misfiring cylinders. But, the fact that it will only crank now sounds like Fuel pump, fuel pump relay, etc. Last weekend, (not the one a couple of days ago, but the previous weekend), I drove to Ardmore Oklahoma and back (600 miles total driven) at highway speeds (sometimes even higher :) ) and it did great. No problems at all. The only thing I have noticed is that if I drove exclusively on the highway, I could get 25-26 MPG. But, the last few trips, the best I could get was 22-23 mpg and on this last trip it was 21. I had attributed that to either O2 sensor, or plugs or just winter fuel, heavy foot, etc. Anyone have any experience or ideas? If I can't get it started, I am going to have to tow it to a shop. Don Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] first car
first car i ever drove was a 63 Volkswagen van with a Sundial camper conversion; this was long before i was of licenseable age, with Dad teaching me how in the mountains and deserts of Southern California. i earned my license in the family station wagon (a Buick Estate Wagon with a 455 and 4-barrel IIRC). stupid fast, my friends of mine and i used to take the Amerikun family wagons and and play 'tap the mirror' at extra-legal speeds, so i know firsthand how stupid teenage boys can be. my dad bought a Dodge Coronet 440 for me from a fellow Marine that was being deployed on short notice elsewhere, but Dad was killed by a drunk driver before he ever got a chance to give it to me. it disappeared in the financial mayhem that followed. first real car of my own was a '72 Plymouth Duster that was given to me as an attempt to keep me from buying a motorcycle. that car had a straight-6 that carried us to plenty of trouble, a crank-open sunroof that i've never seen on another Duster, and a back seat that folded down along with an access panel to the trunk, making it possible to fit everything from skis, surfboards, bicycles, and a surprising number of what should probably be called 'adventurous' young females. after that was run into the ground because i was too careless to keep pouring oil into it as fast as it leaked out through a bad main seal, i got the motorcycle... first car i really bought myself was an '87 Mazda 323; probably the best car value i ever had. bought new, i put almost 160K miles on it including setting it up for Autocrossing, and sold it for half what i'd bought it for new about a decade later. aside from the suspension mods, only thing i ever had to do to it outside of routine maintenance was replace a water pump. cheers! e On 29/Jan/15 22:50, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes wrote: Folks The first car i ever drove was about a 1945 jeep out in the mountains of Colorado. I learned to drive mostly on a 1951 plymouth which my father bought new and i still have in the field. MY first car was a 1962 VW bus. I bought it for $50 and rebuilt the engine myself. I got stuck with driving and repairing air cooled vw cars for the next 15 years or so. xx rick hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Biking in the Snow
you could make them yourself, but studded bicycle tires are available from a variety or manufacturers, including Schwalbe, Continental, Kenda, Nokian, and others. many of these cost more than the tires some people here put on their cars. cheers! e On 31/Jan/15 11:41, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes wrote: When I was living in the Central Oregon high desert, there was a guy at the local bike shop who had studded tires for his mountain bike. I'm not sure if they were homemade or not. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Studded tires??? The fat tired bikes interest me but I wonder how much more effort there is to using one? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 300D (a thinly disguised Oil Thread)
what drew me to synthetics was initially it's ability to handle heat; in the old Mazda RX7 we turbocharged to race autocross (before Mazda made turbos), every oil we tried used to coke up by the end of a racing weekend until we tried Red Line. afterwards, i found that in work we did on the trail in the J**p, Red Line did a better job of keeping the oil pressure where it was supposed to be; not as high at cold starts in snow camp, and not as low when crawling while hot on a desert trail. (oMBc) when we started using BioDiesel in the 300D, we found that while we didn't need to change oil as frequently due to the lack of any soot buildup, the high solvency of the fuel in the blow-by caused conventional oil to 'thin' out noticeably at any interval longer than stock. running Red Line caused that issue to go away completely. better high-temp resistance, better ability to maintain target oil pressure across a wider temperature range, and less susceptibility to breakdown led us to run Synthetics in everything we've got (except for the BMW motorcycle that chuffs through oil so fast it doesn't have a chance to get old in the crankcase!). cheers! e On 14/Jan/15 11:15, LarryT via Mercedes wrote: Cold starts is certainly a part of it but what pulled me to M1 was its ability to withstand high temps better than standard oil. But it sure is comforting to hear an engine spin easily when the car has been outside all night and it's in the 20's - or colder;-) LarryT 91 300D On 1/14/2015 11:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Almost certainly this is the crux of the thing. The time for synthetic oil is when you NEED the car to start when its cold out.If it were to be very cold out I'd want a 5w or even 0w in the engine. I used M1 0w40 some in my '83 240D but the engine was loud and it leak/consumed it bad, 5w40 was a better compromise in that car. I suspect an OM61x car would tolerate the 0w40 better but needs it less as they'll start when its much colder. -Curt From: Donald Snook via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Maybe it didn't matter which oil was in it as long as it was changed regularly and the other maintenance like valve adjustments was also done? Don Snook 2000 BMW 740iL (215K) 2006 Cadillac SRX (her car) 1992 Ford F-150 (the Truck) -Original Message- From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D G: The '83 300D I bought in 2000 had had Amsoil in its crankcase for the first 180,000 miles. The next 120,000 it had Mobil 1 except for a year or so of Delo. The mechanic who finished putting on the chain when I broke my hip, said it was in great shape. It still starts at the touch of the key. The Amsoil certainly didn't hurt it. -- On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM, LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The debate concerning Amsoil Vs Mobil 1 will likely continue for a long time. As far as buying Amsoil - it can be bought from the website (Amsoil.com) in 2 ways. You can become a dealer for a short time for a reduced price and buy the oil and other products at wholesale prices. If you prefer not to do that I can sell it to you. Even paying the dealer fee gets the oil for less than buying retail. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
hi Andrew! no worries; thanks! cheers! e On 05/Jan/15 06:23, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: My apologies for Ernie-ing you. I should have known better, since I find it irksome when the occasional lister Andies me. On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123. but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to drive. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com mailto:dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla. i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA. i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them. ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go! cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
cute, but sadly inaccurate. ignoring the parts we've already discussed, we've had no-go failures including (but not limited to) broken accelerator linkage (350 miles from home, natch) and an ignition switch assembly behind the tumbler that disintegrated (fortunately, directly outside a local indys shop). not a big deal *if* parts were still available, but the idea that these (or any other car) never break is just not true. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:34, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps a better descriptor is the one offered by a tech at an indy Autohaus: they don't break. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:39PM -0500 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123.Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com ; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices happen to be. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Amen. On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration or variations in prices. Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that it is not the same as every other engine on the street. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.) now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer are realities that i find sad. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:37, Dwight Giles wrote: By way of disagreeing with some of your 123 conclusions, i have to use Fred's phrase, YMMV. On Jan 4, 2015 8:06 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla. i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA. i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them. ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go! cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote: sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and considering their cost when new much less common... I think when most people say bulletproof they mean maintainable. The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said Geez I thought those were reliable... Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me. -Curt Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator... *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com *To:* Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com; Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
'Head, Curly, whoever you are now,... you seem to be misunderstanding so much that i can only hope it's intentional. i'll readdress the points you seem to have missed again below one last time for you. as i said in the very text you quoted below, 12 years ago after i ran some B100 through it, i didn't need a Fuel Sender for a while. i didn't say that was a reason to dump the car. i pointed out the lack of the availability of the Fuel Sender as an example of a simple item that was no longer supported like what MBZ parts used to be. also, as i already said in text you quoted below, i did try to fix it. obviously, had it been repairable, i wouldn't have needed another one. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:12, Curly McLain wrote: it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points. the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went through it without positive result. 12 years ago, I am sure the fuel sender was available. If you ran it without a working sender for 10 years, that hardly seems a defensible reason to dump the car now. Why not just fix it? If it was such a problem, why didn't you buy a new one when you got the car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123. but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to drive. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go: God help you should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
On 04/Jan/15 20:31, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many other cars. while that was one of the things that kept us with the brand, our experience has been that that's no longer the case. Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly impossible. Not so with Mercedes. if you say so; it may be perhaps because of the condition of our cars and the condition we keep them in, but i don't recall ever looking for interior parts for any car. (i could probably use a First Aid Kit door for the W123, but i haven't looked for one yet; that's a recent failure, and we've had other issues to deal with.) Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car parts. Honda is one example. i've no experience with Hondas, but haven't found that to be the case with the Mazdas and Toyotas in the family. So many w123s were built that a steady supply of used parts will be around for years to come and with the above mentioned relative ease of Mercedes new parts aquisition, holding on to a w123 diesel should be a cakewalk. if our experience in acquiring new parts were what it used to be like, i might agree with you regarding how easy it would be to keep these running. but as i've said, i've no interest in hoping i can hunt down and find whatever part i might need next time something fails on the road, new, let alone used. if that's someone else's idea of fun, that's great for them, but i'm not interested. cheers! e Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
no Ernie here, but i have used So Cal Mercedes, at the recommendation of the Classic Center. that's been the only way i've been able to keep mine running in proper trim, but they've only had used parts for the things i've found NLA elsewhere. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 18:59, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Ernie, Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have been pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have needed. Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get a free trip to Hawaii. :) SoCal Mercedes Parts 1436 N.Manzanita St. Orange, CA. 92867 www.socalmercedesparts.com http://www.socalmercedesparts.com Phone 714.221.0672 Fax 714.628.0818 Toll Free 888.664.6602 On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in). don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours. these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not bulletproof, as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it. in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123. cheers! e Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126. 125k miles is nothing. Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 18:33, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: not sure who Fred is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.) now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer are realities that i find sad. cheers! e Cathey is a verb. Fred is a list member. MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts than MB. I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years. If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it. 1. Fix the old one 2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker) 3. Buy a new one from an OEM 4. Buy a new one from Uro 5. Adapt one from something else 6. Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire and parts on hand. 7. Bosch parts are available from Bosch In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity. I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total. The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch. That is how the heater is running now. My next alternative was the resistor unit for my old dogde van. I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition switch to have 5 heater speeds. A sub-$1000 car is not worth spending $600 to have a heater. Not having a heater/defrost is not an option in subzero weather. These are examples of Catheyesque repairs. Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, yet parts are readily available. KEEP 'Em FLYING! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points. the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went through it without positive result. the commercially produced BioD we've been using has not been attributable to any problem we've had to date. we're not all talking about some homebrew crap, or throwing WVO in the tank. as i said up front; i want a dependable and maintainable vehicle, and am not interested in maintaining one as a hobby. we use our cars for far to much to hope for the chance to find used parts when/where we need them. we're clearly not interested in maintaining a vehicle at the same level. cheers! e On 04/Jan/15 17:50, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit. when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign. cheers! e You said as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them If 123s are so common in junkyards, then go pull a fuel sender and an amp. There are many good instructions in the internet about how to clean and repair fuel senders. Had you kept the bugs out of your B100, your sender would not be gunked up. Even without a fuel sender, I can drive a 123 for years. Just fill it at regular intervals, and if need be, fix the odometer so you can tell how far you have gone. (or use an iphone to track miles.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now! for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123. it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're on the road. regards, e On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..? i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running. with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty. cheers! e Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european car and every indian and african built car. If you want reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat. Or walk. How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have? How many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess. But that does not mean that you can't get parts. I don't consider my cars a hobby. But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep running. The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable. You can buy what you want. As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep them running. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case. we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too. are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s? cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would rather have a nice W126, too. Gasser or diesel. That's not to say this isn't a nice W123. W140s have spoiled me. I want a land yacht sedan. W126 or W140, either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living room while I drive Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too. Jaime On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating coupla days too long. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber to this list. On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this list... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
i'd be replacing the return lines now for sure; if you got any of that stuff on the return lines, they may well be shrinking up, and start to pop off making an extra-special mess of the hood liner and everything else under the hood. i still didn't see howl old the return lines are; those things aren't expected to last forever. cheers! e On 01/Jan/15 20:08, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I used orange spray stuff - not too harsh - to clean up the valve cover and injectors and fuel lines. Then went for a 25 mile drive up I-270 and back. I popped the hood - there is no evidence of leakage anywhere. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 8:35 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org mailto:erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors. and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of the engine is made of. cheers! e On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual
Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
yeah, that worked for me on the Fuel Sender unit (eventually), but i hope Andrew has it in his garage! isn't a long-term strategy for me for a vehicle i need in regular use.;-) cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 12:50, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA. Please SHARE the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my garage. On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for any car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case. we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep running. we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too. are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s? cheers! e On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I would rather have a nice W126, too. Gasser or diesel. That's not to say this isn't a nice W123. W140s have spoiled me. I want a land yacht sedan. W126 or W140, either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living room while I drive Dan On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too. Jaime On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating coupla days too long. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber to this list. On Jan 2, 2015, at 10:26 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of this list... Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
the return lines are not the metal ones *to* the injectors. and i don't think there'd be any cause to worry about an engine cleaner damaging a metal line, since metal is what most of the engine is made of. cheers! e On 31/Dec/14 13:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You mean the bent metal lines to the injectors? Or the flexible rubber/cloth lines between each injector? On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner
Re: [MBZ] W123 turbodiesel leaky injectors OMG
be careful what you clean the engine with; the stock return lines are pretty easily destroyed by many engine degreasers and cleaners. i didn't see how long it's been since you replaced the ones that are in there, but frankly, i'd just replace the return lines all with known new good lines; it's the quickest/cheapest/easiest possible solution, and on the off chance that it doesn't solve the problem it's the easiest way to eliminate them as a possibility of the cause of the leak. cheers! e On 26/Dec/14 19:36, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Great input - thanks. Clearly, I need to clean the engine and watch for the fuel to appear. The cloth injector lines are pristine; in every other case of leaky lines they were saturated (dark colored). Mine are still dry and white from one end to the other. This is a CA version 1985 300TD - could that have something to do with it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you don't have any luck with the return lines as other suggested and you go for replacement, then replace all the injectors. Or better yet, have them rebuilt by someone competent. But avoid those Indian bosch rebuilds, they're really horrible. I just confirmed this in a 240D I bought a few weeks ago... the car ran very poorly, nailing and knocking. The injectors looked recently installed as they were very clean. They tested ok on the pop tester, but I rebuilt them with new nozzles anyway. Huge improvement. Good luck, Jaime I've seen compression leaks when the nozzle seal/heat shield is not seated properly, and leaks from the lines and from the return hose, but never from the body of an injector. If the nozzles and nozzle holders are un-fiddled with, then you are looking at hoses as the most likely source of the leak, (99%) If someone has recently fiddled with the Nozzle holders, the they may not have been assembled correctly and could be leaking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Diesel prices
$3.60/g for #2 in San Leandro on Monday. cheers! e On 09/Dec/14 10:20, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Diesel has finally started to fall like gas has - I saw from $2.99.9 to $3.49.9 this morning. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] canola/rapeseed (was: Re: One for the greasers without heart conditions)
not exactly; in places politically correct and otherwise, Canola is an engineered plant developed in Canada from the Rapeseed Plant. reference from people that might know: http://www.uscanola.com/what-is-canola/ cheers! e On 07/Oct/14 11:44, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Interesting that the cans are labelled rapeseed oil. In politically correct places, that got changed to canola oil, a while back. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1982 300td travel
we had campers (Volkswagen and Chevy) back in the '70s that we put a couple hundred thousand miles on; i think it's got a lot to do with how people used and maintained their equipment, but my dad grew up playing with powerboats, and being an Engineer, kept things in good trim. now, our W123 300Dt with about 255K miles on it is the low-mileage car in the stable, and the car we use for thousand-mile-weekends. it does it in comfort at speed with relative ease. the J**p is what we use for Sport, Utility, and to get 'Out There', and it's got more mileage on it than the 300D. it went over 200K before it needed anything major (transmission), and i finally rebuilt the motor at about 250K because i can't replace it with anything comparable on the market today. the wife's early '90s Toyoduh is the one that gets burned up on the commute at over 340K miles. paint looks awful, but the AC, auto trans and stereo still work. much as i want to hate it (because i physically don't fit in it), it still passes smog and gets 30 MPG on Regular, so i can't justify replacing it. cheers! e On 07/Oct/14 12:03, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: In the 70's, 100,000 miles was big deal, but my dad sold a good running 1977 Nova with 144,000 miles and nothing but brake, exhaust and suspension work done on it. The clutch was still in pretty solid shape. 60,000 was pretty much expected by 1970, and people bitched like heck when 30,000 mile Vegas blew clouds of blue smoke. I suspect it's uncommon for me to have put 232k on a 1989 Plymouth Horizon, but I don't see why any computerized fuel injected car can't go 200k with good filters and a manual transmission. And most anything made in the last 15 years people expect at least 150k per automatic tranny. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Daimler
i (for one) wish buying a simple car was an option here. what would it cost? would a Mercedes built today last 25, 30, 35 years? consider that the 300D sold for upwards of $30K in the 1980s... cheers! e On 22/Sep/14 18:48, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: They could do it with the E250 and I would not complain one bit. ? Are you suggesting that if MBUSA would let you buy a taxi grade E250 diesel you'd consider it? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Kent says SVO is junk
while i don't use W/SVO in our 617, i think it's only fair to point out that Kent neglects to mention many of the critical details associated with the alleged VO use on the injectors in question. amongst the things we don't know are: - if, or how well, the VO was filtered, - what temp the fuel was heated to at the injectors, - whether this was a single-tank system or dual-tank system (where start-up and shut-down are on BioD or #2), and - what percentage of the time the vehicle in question was run around-town vs. on the highway. my personal concerns about VO are more related to issues well *after* the injectors, but i think it's only prudent to not be making generalizations on the topic without knowing far more of the relevant detail. cheers! e On 23/Sep/14 12:47, clay via Mercedes wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4E28hDgXCwfeature=em-subs_digest-vrecs So, there is really an issue with using veggie oil, as it gums up the engine/injectors. That explains how you shorten the life of a Benz by running crap fuel sources. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] commuting by bicycle
Andrew could best answer that, but i was thinking he's in the DC area, and if he's going into the office in Foggy Bottom, i don't recall much around there that's not flat. (even places like Capitol Heights and Oxon Hill aren't more than a couple-hunnert feet elevation. you can get closer to 400' out toward Bethesda, but that's on the far end of the commute range he described.) yes, i recall some of the hills in that part of the world can be short and fairly steep, but modern bicycle gearing goes so low that it makes easy work of those; Granny Gears are your friend. Sit and Spin!;-) (disclaimer; my perspective may admittedly be a bit skewed; i can hardly do a recreational ride around here of over an hour or 2 that doesn't involve a couple thousand feet of climbing. i've been doing this for fun since i started on Extended Touring bikes carrying all my camping gear, so i'm pretty comfortable with Granny.) all that said, if someone's got to wear the PA Ave uniform to work, this admittedly might not work in the high temps and humidity that that area is plagued with. i used to deal with a similar situation by driving in once or twice a week to carry office clothes in, so i could ride in the rest of the time in something more cycle-friendly. cheers! e On 12/Sep/14 03:19, John Reames wrote: I don't know whether his commute is flat or not. I have a 9.3 mile commute, which sounds nice and easy, but then you look at a topo map... In mine, the peak elevation is 397ft, the lowest is 59ft. In the first 2-2.5 miles, there is a single rise of 150ft in 0.2 miles distance, followed by a drop of 75ft in 0.1 miles, followed by a rise of 75ft in 0.1 miles. The rest of the morning commute doesn't have any rises over about 55ft, and is basically downhill to the end at 62ft of elevation. A nice relaxed 9.3 mile bike ride. BTW, If driving an electric car is drinking the [green] Kool-Aid (not to be confused with flavoraid of Jonestown fame), then at least the smart ED is proper German [green] Kool-Aid. (And for bonus points, http://www.forbes.com/pictures/ehmk45mgef/1-smart-fortwo-electric-drive/ ... For those times when you really want to annoy people with a greener-than-thou attitude.) -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net mailto:jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 11, 2014, at 17:01, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: just ride easier. that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less presentable than i usually am,... cheers! e On 11/Sep/14 10:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nah, I'd get too sweaty. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I hadn't noticed the RT when I read the post originally. With that in mind a bicycle is indeed the absolute best choice. Considering where Andrew is he'd easily get 8 months of riding in each year. If you're worried about being sweaty in the morning get one of those electric assist bikes. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles
if you don't go into riding a motorcycle in traffic with the same mindset you'd take into a Special Op in a Hot Zone, it's likely not going to be safe and/or fun for long. i have to be prepared to expect that people are likely to not see me and accept that, or there's no point in suiting up to ride. (and because i know Caca Pasa, i never ride without going ATGATT; helmet, rally suit, real moto boots, All The Gear All The Time.) that said, i'll try to do what i can to stack the odds a little more in my favor, while knowing the shortcomings of each effort and not betting my life on any of it doing me any good. reflective stuff is great, and i use lots of it, but it only works when the background is dark and the lights that are shining on it are inline with the observers eyes; that's not often enough. modulated headlights (pulsing headlight[s]) are only one light; i personally believe that a rack of lights of various sizes and colors and in an unusual configuration is the best bet at getting that wait; WTF?! reaction that i need to give me the millisecond i need. (along with full-time running lights front and rear, i use a pair of 7.5 diameter 85W fog lights with yellow lenses mounted very close to the machine to present a sort of triangle configuration. it's not likely to be easily lost in the background traffic, and isn't like much of anything else seen on the road.) light-colored suit with lots of red; minimal black for this kid. white helmet; not because it might be cooler in the sunlight, but because it's the highest part of the moto/rider, and very easily seen/recognized. attached is a snap from an event i recently worked MotoHam for; let's see if this gets through. i might consider some of the fluorescent/Hi-Viz colored stuff that's now becoming more common in the US like what we've been using in bicycling for years already (and like what LEOs use in countries where motor-cops take the job more seriously), but i'll have to decide amongst what's available that fits when i go shopping for a helmet and/or suit again in the future. oMB content; here where we have a substantial fleet of (largely vegetarian) 617s mixed in with every possible new MBZ available (are they all Grey?), it seems like i'm more likely to have a stupid-incident with the drivers of the newer (allegedly 'better') MBZs than the older ones. my theory is that it's because the people those new 2-year throw-away MBZs appeal to just aren't 'Drivers' and 'Car People' like the ones that are keeping the old ones on the road... cheers! e On 10/Sep/14 12:18, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I stopped riding a few years ago because I felt like I had a bullseye on my back no matter what efforts I took to be as visible as possible. These included reflective stripes on my gear and a pulsing headlight. I still felt like people were either anion at me or being so flipping inattentive I was quite likely to be hit. Dan On Sep 10, 2014, at 3:04 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: after a few decades of motorcycling, i'd say that a lot of the bike folks are wrong. you're much more likely to be taken out on a motorcycle by someone who doesn't see you and turns in front of you than by anyone who would have been within hearing distance of anything humanly bearable, and that doesn't even begin to take into account people that can't hear and/or are ensconced in their sound-proof capsules. (this might not be readily apparent to a lot of the bike folks who never really ride out of town, but by the time anyone would know where the noise is coming from, it's already too late...) *if* someone were to hear a motorcycle, that doesn't necessarily tell them where it is, and (IMHO) only increases the risk created by someone looking away from what they're supposed to be doing (DRIVING!) by looking around for where the sound might be coming from. i think the nail was hit on the head with Drivers do not pay enough attention; if people would simply pay attention to what's actually happening instead of just what they *expect*, we'd all be a lot safer on the road. cheers! e On 10/Sep/14 08:33, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them more noticable. Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far PS - As you get older, do you find that you have more issues with spelling? I am looking at the message above and wondering if noticable and noisy are correct. Wierd. On 09/09/2014 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago
[MBZ] commuting by bicycle (was: Re: Testing Prius)
just ride easier. that kind of distance is an easy twiddle of the pedals; i do further than that in work clothes frequently (albeit not in a full suit), even when i have meetings, and don't arrive significantly sweatier or any less presentable than i usually am,... cheers! e On 11/Sep/14 10:39, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Nah, I'd get too sweaty. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I hadn't noticed the RT when I read the post originally. With that in mind a bicycle is indeed the absolute best choice. Considering where Andrew is he'd easily get 8 months of riding in each year. If you're worried about being sweaty in the morning get one of those electric assist bikes. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] multi-purpose stalk on '84 300D
check the fuse for the Optical Horn. cheers! e On 11/Sep/14 15:11, G. M. Brown via Mercedes wrote: Anyone have any testing clues as the headlight flashing (squeezing) function doesn't seem to work? It used to work, now all other functions of this stalk do work. TIA G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] loud motorcycles (was:Re: Prius)
after a few decades of motorcycling, i'd say that a lot of the bike folks are wrong. you're much more likely to be taken out on a motorcycle by someone who doesn't see you and turns in front of you than by anyone who would have been within hearing distance of anything humanly bearable, and that doesn't even begin to take into account people that can't hear and/or are ensconced in their sound-proof capsules. (this might not be readily apparent to a lot of the bike folks who never really ride out of town, but by the time anyone would know where the noise is coming from, it's already too late...) *if* someone were to hear a motorcycle, that doesn't necessarily tell them where it is, and (IMHO) only increases the risk created by someone looking away from what they're supposed to be doing (DRIVING!) by looking around for where the sound might be coming from. i think the nail was hit on the head with Drivers do not pay enough attention; if people would simply pay attention to what's actually happening instead of just what they *expect*, we'd all be a lot safer on the road. cheers! e On 10/Sep/14 08:33, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them more noticable. Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far PS - As you get older, do you find that you have more issues with spelling? I am looking at the message above and wondering if noticable and noisy are correct. Wierd. On 09/09/2014 7:00 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Man some days it feels like it. Makes you want to swerve over when one sits next to you at a light constantly blipping the throttle. Harley owners are generally a menace. A couple years ago they talked about giving the anti-loud pipe laws here some teeth and the Harley guys were all against it including Angie's Dad. I pointed out that quieting things down was better than getting banned outright but he doesn't understand me. Of course he thinks the Ninja Turtle bikes should be quieted down... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Hella quartz halogen headlights
depends on what you're looking for,... note that there are multiple Hella H4 models; apparently the difference between them is significant enough that the 'better' ones sell for about that same price but don't include bulbs. you might want to look into what the difference is, and why. i'm not familiar with the Hellas anymore since (as i mentioned earlier) we found that the Low Beam Cutoff was lower than the Cibiés. yes, H4s should plug right in in place of whatever came stock in a US-spec W123. it's unlikely that they'll actually DOT-legal on the public roads in anything but a Motorcycle, but i'm not sure that's a concern. (yes, US laws as they relate to lighting were messed up.) WRT light output; are you talking about *where* the light goes, or *how much* of it there is? if you're not happy with where the light goes, there's no way you'll be able to change it. to try to make up for the aforementioned short cut-off of the Low Beam requires you to adjust them so high that the High Beam is no longer correct. if you're not happy with how much light there is, i'd be surprised, since they'll likely provide much more and cleaner light than anything stock ever did. if you still want brighter light, you can get bulbs with all different wattage combinations, including some that keep the 55W Low Beam, but offer much higher High Beam wattage. however, if you go with higher-wattage than stock 55/60W, be prepared to set up relays to feed the extra draw, or be prepared to burn up wiring and/or switches that weren't designed to handle the extra load. (you'll probably get away with it for a while, but it's no fun when they go 'Poof'! and you suddenly have no lights when you need them. note that this only happens when you need them,...) if you were to decide that you wanted brighter bulbs, just setting up the light with relays will likely provide some better light, so be sure to try that before you pop for higher-wattage bulbs. cheers! e On 23/Aug/14 10:11, G. M. Brown via Mercedes wrote: I've recently seen some of you post that you've converted to Hella quartz halogen headlights. I see that Amazon has these (HELLA 002395991 7 H4 Type Single High/Low Beam Headlamp) for $37.07 with free shipping. This may be a silly question, but is this a direct drop in without having to rewire the standard headlight plug in my '84 300D? Also, in case I may not be happy with the light output, has anyone substituted the 100/80W bulbs for the standard 60/55W bulbs? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] headlight brightness, 123 126
toss the stock lamps, not just the bulbs. get a set of H4 Cibié lamps and some decent bulbs like the Sylvania/Osrams, or high-efficacy Narvas; they'll mount in the same place as the stuff that came stock. having the right light in front of a car isn't just about wattage; it's about having a lens and reflector in the lamp that put the light in the right place (and don't interfere with oncoming traffic). lamps in most other parts of the world did a much better job of this than what the US DOT stuck us with. cheers! e On 17/Aug/14 11:35, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote: I have a '84 300CD and a '87 300SDL and both vehicles' lights are not bright enough for night driving especially on back roads. I have tried upgrading the bulbs for brighter ones, but nothing yet is satisfactory. Any suggestions for making these safer? Thanks. Ralph ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] headlight brightness, 123 126
yep; the difference between DOT and real headlamps is like that. as popular as Hellas are, i specifically didn't mention Hellas because in the cars where my family of lighting geeks has compared Hellas side-by-side with Cibiés, we've found that when they're aimed properly (so that the high beam points out to the horizon), the low beam pattern for the Hellas was shorter than the Cibiés. considering that most of us do 90% of our driving on the low beams, that's pretty significant. cheers! e On 18/Aug/14 12:20, WILTON wrote: I put 7 in. Hellas on my 81 300D 'bout 12 years ago. The first time I turned them on at night, I threw so much light out front that I thought I felt some thrust (deceleration) to the rear. Wilton - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] headlight brightness, 123 126 toss the stock lamps, not just the bulbs. get a set of H4 Cibié lamps and some decent bulbs like the Sylvania/Osrams, or high-efficacy Narvas; they'll mount in the same place as the stuff that came stock. having the right light in front of a car isn't just about wattage; it's about having a lens and reflector in the lamp that put the light in the right place (and don't interfere with oncoming traffic). lamps in most other parts of the world did a much better job of this than what the US DOT stuck us with. cheers! e On 17/Aug/14 11:35, Ralph Robertson via Mercedes wrote: I have a '84 300CD and a '87 300SDL and both vehicles' lights are not bright enough for night driving especially on back roads. I have tried upgrading the bulbs for brighter ones, but nothing yet is satisfactory. Any suggestions for making these safer? Thanks. Ralph ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Tranny Issue
Redline MTL has worked like magic in every stick box i've put it in; i wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. cheers! e On 24/Jul/14 10:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Currently I've got Redline MTL and MT-90 mixed in the Jetta 50/50 but I'm thinking to switch it to all MTL this fall. The MTL is a little thinner and should shift easier in the cold. The factory VW stuff is very thin and can be noisy in older cars. The mix wasn't bad last winter but would be stiff for the first couple shifts at below zero temps. I want to change again because the stuff that came out last fall was nasty and smelled bad. I've put 15,000 miles on the car and the trans is way quieter now... Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote: Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Thats spec for most manual transmissions. My '88 GMC used the same. The Jetta uses GL4 gear oil but the transmission on that FWD car is really a transaxle... When my 1977 Saab was made, the spec was SAE 70 gear oil, I forget the GL number, but it was sulfur free and nearly odorless. By the mid 1980s, the recomendation had changed to SAE 30 (or maybe 10W30, can't remember for sure) motor oil. IIRC, it shifted a bit nicer with the proper (hard to find) gear oil than with 5W30 M1 in it. Chrysler's 1980s transaxles took motor oil in early years, then Dexron II or III later. AFAIK there was no mechanical change when the fluid changed. IIRC, my 1989 Horizon was happier with 5W30 M1 than with the Dexron that the factory put in it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] W123 diesel injector return hose
Viton's what i used about a year ago, although the original stuff that was on the car when i bought it over a decade ago lasted more than 100K miles on B99 before it showed any signs of weepage. (that was replaced by an Indy as a favor with some unidentifiable aftermarket stuff that ended up leaking almost immediately, spewing fuel all over, soaking the hood pad, and generally making a mess.) Viton's widely available at marine supply hardware stores, as well as many other places. i didn't see any reason to *not* use it. cheers! e On 18/Jul/14 15:13, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: Isn't Viton what you are supposed to use for BioD or WVO? On Jul 18, 2014 5:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dr. Fatty's website says $41 for 5 meters so the dealer seems a bit high. I bought some stuff from McMaster-Carr at one point. It worked just fine. My invoice from 2008 says High-Temperature viton rubber tubing, Firm, 1/8ID, 1/4 OD, 1/16 wall, Black. $3.22/ft part number 5119K11. I see today its now 5119K79 with a price of $3.97/ft. -Curt From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 5:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] W123 diesel injector return hose Dealer wants 28 for meter. Is that the best? i.e. not china, and good quality? Has anyone tried alternative non braid covered alternatives? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
