[MBZ] 2007 E350 no start

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Hi everyone, long time no see.

A friend has a 2007 E350 wagon M272 with 140k miles that won't fire, it
just cranks and cranks. I pulled codes and it shows P0011 cam timing, bank
1 position A (intake); P0271 Powertain, which google says is associated
with the first code; and P0521 Oil pressure switch.

I checked the cam solenoid magnet and it had the common failure mode of oil
leaking through the connector at the top, so I installed a new one from the
dealer this morning. Still no start.

Anyone familiar with these engines? I keep reading about balance shaft
problems, but I'm not sure if that will cause a no start like this.

The P0521 looks like it may actually be a stuck flap in the intake
manifold, but I'm not seeing any association with a no start. This is hard
without a manual or proper diagnostic equipment!

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Clothes Irons

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

I used to have a cheap Wal Mart iron, and it was a cheap Wal Mart iron and
ironing clothes was a hassle. Then Misheil and I got a German-made Rowenta
as a wedding gift and it is hard to describe how nice an iron can actually
be.

We have an earlier version of this model and if it isn't the S-Class of
irons, I don't know what is. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FEBPG3G/

Tom
On Jun 19, 2016 8:35 AM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Shirley's 30 year old clothes iron broke recently, so we need to replace
> it.
>
> In the vast experience of this list, is there one to be preferred? Or
> should we just go to WallyWorld and buy what they have?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
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[MBZ] Curley car?

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Curley, is this your car?
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/cc-outtake/cc-outtake-1966-heckflosse-reporting-for-duty/

Ton
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Re: [MBZ] '06/'07 E3230CDI?

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On May 6, 2016 12:01 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> Yep, I much rather have gotten an '06 E320CDI
>
>
> Was '06 the first V6 or the last I6?
> For some reason I was thinking the '05 was the last inline 6 diesel.
> Or was '06 the last one without the auxiliary pee tank?
>
'06 was the last year for the inline six. V6 and particulate filter started
in '07. I'm not sure when the pee tank and BS runflat tires started but my
'09 had neither.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] '06 E320CDI

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Not direct comparisons, but for what it's worth my creampuff E320 Bluetec
with 77k miles was worth $17k in January per my insurance company and my
research validated that.

The not-quite-as-nice '09 Bluetec that replaced it I purchased in Texas in
January for with 78k for $16,500. State Farm then valued it for $18,950 in
Missouri in March. If only the car had a title I could get a check for it.

Happy shopping. The W211 cars are really nice and don't be afraid of the V6
- it is a good mill and acompanied by a number of updates and the excellent
7-speed transmission. I have a few surplus maintenance items and parts for
these cars if you end up with one, since Kaleb seems to have lost interest.

Tom
On May 2, 2016 8:09 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I have seen them anywhere from under 8k to 15k. I would think about 10-12k
would be about right.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 2, 2016, at 7:19 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:
>
> What should I pay for '06 E320CDI w/maybe 50 kmi?
>
> What if it has 100 kmi?
>
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Febi 08971 on sale

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Apr 8, 2016 7:35 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes"

>
> Too bad Ryder no longer rents out 722.6 Sprinters. Four years ago I could
get a case (12 qts) of Shell 134 from Ryder Fleet Services for something
like $80 delivered. Now they don't stock it. If there was a closeout sale,
I totally missed it.
>

Well, I have 10L of the stuff in genuine MB packaging that I can no longer
use... No reasonable offer refused, only some unreasonable offers refused.

Also have a filter 221 277 01 95, gasket 220 271 03 80 and new pan bolts
for a 722.9.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] VW

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Mar 28, 2016 9:48 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> They are still selling vergassers - and doing many repairs - were they
> claim to make their money.

They're at least trying to sell gassers. Most of the VW dealers I've
visited in the last week seem to be following the Mitsubishi model: a used
car dealer with a few new cars sitting in the showroom.

Gas model values are way down as well, if not as badly as the diesels. I
started looking for another W211 or W212 after the last wreck but decided
my heart just wasn't in it, so just bought a 2012 Golf 5-speed instead to
try the cheap commuter thing. It was half the cost of another Bluetec and
I'm really enjoying it so far.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] BLUETEC rumor

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

My impression is that it is mostly law firms hedging their bets that the
scandal will spread, generating plaintiffs lists. I have been seeing a lot
of targeted ads about this after shopping for parts but have not found any
evidence through legitimate news channels.

Tom
'09 e320 Bluetec
On Feb 25, 2016 5:56 PM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I saw some speculation the other day that MB might have done what Audi is
> alleged to have done but nothing since.  Who knows, maybe some dizzel
> owners (hey. I resemble that!) trying to get on the gravy train.
>
> --R
>
> On 2/25/16 6:38 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Friend & fellow,MB nut said  there,was,something on Facebook about BLUETEC
>> scandal  similar to TDI. Anybody know about that?
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> 1982 300CD
>> 1990 300D
>> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] Sources for Parts

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 20, 2016 10:39 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> I like to order from MB Northlake (in NC) for dealer stuff.
>
> http://mbnorthlakeparts.com/
>

FYI on MB Northlake, don't call to order parts. The website prominently
displays the phone number and doesn't state that you have to order online
to get the online price.

I had a shipping time question w.r.t. the holidays so I called to order...
they were pretty annoyed when I called later to ask for a refund of the
difference but did make good on it.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Well, the repair estimate just by walking around the car and using "used,
reconditioned, or aftermarket" parts came to $14,500, so I guess it is
worse than it looks.  Apparently an offset crash like that is particularly
difficult to straighten out.

On the upside, I settled with the insurance company on Friday after more
contretemps than should be necessary, and purchased a one-owner 2009
Bluetec with the same mileage for less than I got for my 2007.  We pick it
up in Texas on Saturday.

Tom

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So how bad would that be to "fix"?  It doesn't look that bad but I guess
> if the body/frame is all buggered that's pretty much it. Seems like most of
> the car and its bits would not have been affected, might be worth buying it
> back if you could knock them down on the price of the hulk.
>
> --R
>
> On 1/13/16 8:59 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Attached are a few pics of the carnage.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

North Riverfront, just north of downtown.  Here's the neighborhood where I
work: http://builtstlouis.net/northside/northbroadway01.html  The wreck was
on Hall Street, which is a sort of a Fury Road-meets-depressed Midwestern
industry speedway.

I live in St Charles, and the River is an effective protective rampart
against the crime and dysfunction.

Tom

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:47 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > Tom wrote:
> >
> > This did happen in the Detroit part of town, so services
> > expectations are pretty low.
>
> Where is the "detroit" part of town.  And are you still
> in/near St. Louis?
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[MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

So the E320 Bluetec is a probable total after some jerk ran a stop sign on
Saturday. I'm a little sore but okay.

The adjuster had asked if I'd like to retain the car, and I'm thinking
about it since I'd  like to replace it with the same model,  and especially
since two weeks ago I spent over $1000 on tires, a steering angle sensor,
and maintenence.

Questions for those who have done this sort of thing: I am thinking I could
strip most of the trim, black boxes, and accessories from the car over a
weekend and eBay it over the next few months for easy money - what am I
missing? Pull the engine complete, or pull injectors, turbo, intake, etc
and list piecemeal? Not sure I have room to pull an engine in the garage.
And finally, am I delusional or is this an economically viable weekend(s)
activity? I do have plenty of room in the basement to store everything.

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 13, 2016 6:45 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Sorry to hear about your loss. The 1998 S420 is still going strong at
281k - maybe I can talk oldest son to make you a deal on it?

That is actually half tempting - that car remains the best I've ever owned.

> I will warn you that this takes a significant investment in time and
effort, so if you put a value on your time it might not be worth it.

That is kind of the conclusion I've come to today. Looks like I can retain
the car for $3052 and maybe I lack vision, but I just don't see 4,000
"easy" dollars in it. I'm not very interested in eBaying a bunch of small
parts at $20 a throw.

Unless Kaleb wants it for $3052 plus a six pack...

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 13, 2016 11:45 AM, "Craig via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
>
> I'm sorry to hear of your loss. It's really frustrating and a
> disappointment when a great car you own is destroyed. May you navigate
> the insurance hurdles successfully.
>

Thanks, Craig. I'm at least off to a good start on the hurdles (although my
Hyundai Elantra rental smells like cigarettes and potpourri).

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 13, 2016 8:37 AM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes"
>
> Glad you are ok, but if you have not already, get checked out by a doc.
Some things don't show up until later.
>

This is good advice. I went to urgent care shortly after and checked out
okay. Of course, my neck is so full of osteoarthritis already that I wonder
how much I'd notice a small injury. Strangely an ambulance didn't show at
the scene even though a passenger in the other car had a bleeding cut on
his forehead. This did happen in the Detroit part of town, so services
expectations are pretty low.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 13, 2016 7:10 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> That sounds like a very high price for a severely damaged car. I was
under the impression that insurance companies were quite willing to deal if
you dug in your heels.
> Of course  I suppose on the one hand you're telling them what a rare and
awesome car it was to get more money out of them for it, then you've got to
tell them what a heap it is to get it back cheap...

Yeah, I was thinking $2000, maybe even $1500. Apparently being a diesel has
a  big impact on value.

I built a pretty good rapport with the adjuster over the phone yesterday,
and he told me today that he recorded it as a condition 1 when he went to
inspect it this afternoon, so that helps. But I haven't received a
settlement offer yet, either, so we'll see.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

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On Jan 13, 2016 9:59 AM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> Too bad, glad you survived mostly intact.
>
> Where is you/the car?

St Louis. Be ever vigilant when driving in the ghetto.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Wrecked E320

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On Jan 13, 2016 10:26 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> All the Bluetecs are V6, right?

I think so; mine is.

>
> What's it cost to keep it?
>
> When my dad totaled mom's Malibu, literally less than a week and 200
miles after
> I sent him to Tire Rack for new tires, he gave the adjuster the receipt
and the
> adjuster increased the offer by half the cost of the tires, the theory
being
> that the average car had half gone tires, so a car with brand new tires
was
> worth an extra half the value of the tires.

The adjuster told me today to fax in all recent receipts and he'll see what
he can do; it sounded pretty promising. I installed new OE wiper blades
last week and nabbed them when I went to get my plates and personal items
this evening, so I have forty bucks back already.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] someone needs this

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Nov 9, 2015 5:26 PM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> But it's a hybrid and will save you money and Gaia!  You could put an
Obama or Bernie sticker on it and be good to go!
>
Just think of the torque curve with a 114 hp elective motor supplementing a
twin turbo gas engine. And you can sign me up for that heated steering
wheel option, too.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Windshields

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Sep 25, 2015 9:18 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>
> With a cheap Chinee piece of glass. That's the "FUYGO" stuff. My glass
people don't recommend it.
>
> If I want Pilkington it's closer to $300 reusing my molding.

This sounds better than the new windshield in your '98. "We only use PPG
glass."  Later... "No, I said PGW."  Also, this, no joke, is the guy who
installed it, in case you were wondering why all the trim clips are broken:
https://youtu.be/38EhaJ3iJGU

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Windshields

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Sep 25, 2015 9:11 AM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes"

> Genuine glass is worth the money and usually not so expensive.  I put a
> windshield in my 300CD earlier this year and it was surprisingly cheap.
>
In 2007, I bought a Gullwing windshield from the dealer for $550. No one
could believe it.
I've learned my lesson.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] 123 LWB sighting

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Aug 26, 2015 6:16 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 how often do you see a LWB on the street?


I think I've posted this before but I saw one in Beijing a while back.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oisj0f90ruopjcz/DSCN4632.JPG?dl=0

At first I assumed it was just an old taxi that somehow snuck in and had
the badge replaced, and paid no attention. Now I wonder if it could have
been one of the rarest of W123s, built by First Auto Works.
http://www.chinacarforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20307#/forumsite/20929/topics/20307

This was in 2006, when you could still see interesting cars in China.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] If You're Gonna Go, Go in Style

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

That's nice but the jaloponist in me wants to go like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/sc/qqmy3b3cpl0k4p5/AABybINWvDY9J417aF71tMkka

I guess I should ask Curt if he's encountered any Filipino funeral
processions/parades yet...

Tom
On Jun 14, 2015 7:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Like this:


 https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/mercedes-benz/w12/1963/311989?plugin=trueplugin_id=181529

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] hey WILTON

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jun 13, 2015 8:30 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Tommy,

 You need to go to the tent sale.  It’s well worth the trip and you can
snag some unbelievable deals on A-E shoes.  Definitely an item on any A-E
wearer’s bucket list.

 And you can meet up with the Doobie Brothers while you’re there.  Well,
at least one of them.


Well, I am driving through Wisconsin on Tuesday... but do you really get
better pricing on site than over the phone?  It is moot, alas; between
vacation, new glasses, and a broken dishwasher, I'm not buying any shoes
this month (or next).

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Need front brake rotors for my W123 300TD

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Andrew,
Another option is to take off my hands the Made in Germany Balo rotors I've
had in my basement for the last ten years. P/N 123 421 00 12 (replaces 115
421 14 12)

They're yours (or anyone's if you decline) for shipping cost.

Tom
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[MBZ] Mercedes/Packard prototype

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Here's something interesting I've never heard of: the W122.
http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/design-history-packards-request-almost-fulfilled-by-mercedes-benz/

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] OT fuel economy

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On May 27, 2015 11:45 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Last weekend, my son and I went to the lake.
 We are in Winnipeg and we go to Sioux Narrows on Lake of the Woods about
45 minutes south of Kenora.


Completely off-topic, but speaking of Lake of the Woods...  My wife and I
are going to Winnipeg in a few weeks from Minnesota, and I was looking at
crossing at International Falls and taking Hwy 71 north of the Lake. It
looks much more scenic than crossing at Warroad/Sprague, but over an hour
longer. Is the northern route worth the extra time?

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: [MBZ] 109

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On May 27, 2015 10:31 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 No, I meant what I said.  The original 109 had the M189, which is a
modified 300SL engine first used in the Adenour outside the 300SL, so the
original 109 300SEL was a 4 door version of the 300SL.  With the M130, it
had no ties to the 300Sl, except maybe the differential.


But you meant to mean that the 300SL's M198 (direct injection) and the
W109's M189 (indirect injection) were both modified M186, right?  The
direct injection engine in the 300Sc (M199?) was a modified M198.

Tom
Pedant hat on
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Allen Edmunds

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

 What the hell is Allen Edmonds?

Really high quality American-made shoes. Nicer than whatever you're wearing
right now.

 
  ‎AMEX has an offer, spend $200 at AE and get a $50 one time credit on
your card. Seems like a good deal.

I know you have a penurious cant - have you been to shoebank.com?  Factory
seconds on sale right now.

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Re: [MBZ] Once seen cannot be unseen

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On May 12, 2015 9:56 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:


http://jalopnik.com/50-000-will-buy-you-a-toyota-prius-that-sleeps-four-1703773020


I like that a lot, though it probably makes more sense in Japan.  Would the
reaction be better to a Toppola? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toppola

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Re: [MBZ] New Shoes for the 240D/3.0

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On May 8, 2015 11:14 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes

 Those or primewell, a cheep badyear brand are all that seem to be
available locally.


Primewell is Firestone's private label brand made by GITI in China and
Indonesia. They are supposedly about as good as it gets in the cheap tire
realm.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] This is the car for poos

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On Apr 25, 2015 7:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Most of them are probably pretty rare on a S320, except for ASR and heated
 seats. It would be something to see a S320 with Burl Walnut, rear
sunshade,
 power rear seats, rear climate control, and SLS, wouldn't it?

My S420 had burl and a rear shade but somehow lacked heated seats, as I was
unimpressed to discover the first brisk morning my ownership.

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Re: [MBZ] W140 wiper refills

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On Apr 18, 2015 12:22 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote:

 I know I can get refills at the dealer (140824032701 and 140824012701),
but is there anything under $10 a side that does the job as well?

I couldn't find anything circa 2007 and used dealer inserts. There was
mention on the Ritter list about some new Trico inserts that are supposed
to be great but apparently I need a computer and not a phone to find them.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Approved 229.51 Oil?

[Tom Savage]

On Apr 16, 2015 9:56 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote:

 Anybody ever tried this:

I'd feel good about running any oil with MB-Approval.  I'm using Liqui
Moly in the Volvo  (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005H28X46/) and used the
5W-40 in Dan's 140.  Good stuff.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Lesjofor Springs

[Tom Savage]

On Apr 6, 2015 11:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Anyone know anything about these guys?

 I ask because they sell a lot of springs, and are less expensive than MB
by a bit.

 I need to put a new set of rear springs on the S500 (W140) coupe, and I
was considering them as a supplier.

FWIW, I put a set on the front of my W123 way back when. They did the job
and the ride height was spot on when I was done.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: non-Mercedes parking question

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On Apr 4, 2015 5:58 PM, Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com wrote:


 General Practitioner's car?
 Open wide and say AA...


Paint and coatings formulator's car. Alas, there is no good story behind
the plate - I was playing with the state's vanity plate app when renewing
registration. Not surprisingly, everything I tried was taken until I input
the As, and here we are.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] OT: non-Mercedes parking question

[Tom Savage]

 So how does this work?  Do you get to where you can differentiate your
 silver Camry from the thirty other silver Camrys?  Painting the roof
orange
 is probably not going to happen.

Park way out in the back of the lot. This has the added bonuses of driving
the wife crazy and keeping door dings at bay.

A distinctive license plate helps, too, but I'm not sure it is worth the
effort.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes pickup

[Tom Savage]

Mercedes has doubtless been eyeing the profit margins on the loaded-up
Detroit clown shoe pickups with envy. Isn't Daimler the largest heavy truck
manufacturer in the world? They could make this work.  Think of it as a
Sierra Denali for the middle east.

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Re: [MBZ] Example of Craig's next car

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On Mar 9, 2015 11:42 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 2004 - 06 were the last straight six diesel engines, cars sold in the US
after that have V6 engines.

 I'd prefer the straight six, I think that design has proven itself to be
very robust.  I think the V6 engines are less dependable, but I don't have
any data to back that up.

 I also have the impression that the straight six is easier to work on.
The V6 has the turbo buried between the cylinder banks.
 --

An inline six is almost always preferable to a V6, cetaris paribus, but I
haven't found the V6 OM642 to be bad at all as far as maintenance is
concerned. The turbo is right up top (which is good since the inlet pipe
airways leaks oil), along with the fuel and oil filters, and there is
plenty of room to work at the front. The air filter arrangement is a little
goofy, though.

The V6 also comes with normal brakes and the 7 speed transmission, and the
general updates that came with the facelift in '07, but still has 16
wheels.

Fuel economy is not as good with the V6 due to the more restrictive diesel
particulate filter. Also it requires hard-to-find 229.52 oil to keep the
filter happy. No diesel smoke either; not sure if that is a bug or a
feature.

I couldn't find an '05-'06 worth buying and my Bluetec was a low mile Okie
creampuff so the choice was easy for me.

Tom
07 E320 Bluetec
02 Volvo V70 XC all new parts yesterday
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Re: [MBZ] Car Data

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On Mar 9, 2015 3:51 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 You put in your VIN and it will give you the build sheet data, everything
on the car.  I did that with the ML we just bought, the dealer guys were
all mystified, Where did you get all that?  I found the key to the secret
safe and they were all noodgie about it.

You can access the data card information and more for free through the epc
at http://epc.startekinfo.com/epc/home.jsp

They'll really be impressed when you go to buy parts and have the shopping
list printed out.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Example of Craig's next car

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On Mar 9, 2015 8:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


  Fuel economy is not as good with the V6 due to the more restrictive
  diesel particulate filter. Also it requires hard-to-find 229.52 oil to
  keep the filter happy.

 What are examples of 229.52 oil? Anything made by Mobil?

Here's the full list:
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.52_en.html

There are five times as many oils listed now as there were just a few
months ago. I'm running this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00R0CRISI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1425955466

I don't know what the max oil change interval is, probably 13k miles.
Kaleb is forgiven for using the wrong oil as my local dealer does the same
thing, but you really want to keep the filter healthy.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Car Data

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On Mar 9, 2015 8:43 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 I looked at that the other day and it wanted some sort of paid
subscription. Is that so?


The global version carries a nominal subscription fee, but the version
covering  US models only is free. It is only available in the US, and a
credit card from an American bank is apparently sufficient proof that you
are not French.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

 Anyone familiar with the inline six?


 Isn't it the same v6 as my 1999 e320?

The M104 lasted in the 140 all the way to the end. Nice engine but the
minimum you'd want in such a car.

Unless you can find an S280 with a stick like Princess Diana.

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Re: [MBZ] ML

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Feb 16, 2015 1:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 We had ice last night with about 6 of snow today. My ML tires are worn
out and waiting on new ones to arrive but even at that it gets around great
in this stuff. Wow.


Modern all wheel drive systems are amazing. My wife's AWD Volvo will leave
a RWD Mercedes in the dust; both cars wearing the same all-season
Bridgestones. Until the first stop sign...

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Re: [MBZ] W210 Opinions?

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

That looks like quite a lot of car for the money. No direct experience but
I had a customer who used the same model as a daily driver. He said it was
as reliable as any Mercedes and at 150k miles he reported no problems.
Apparently the normally aspirated engines are very reliable but brakes are
expensive. It looks like a good car for a hooligan - carefully vet prior
owners!

Tom
On Feb 10, 2015 6:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 I know little to nothing about the W210.  What do you guys think of this:


 http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2261370-fs-2000-e55-amg-128k-miles.html#post11180698

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Biking in the Snow

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On Jan 31, 2015 7:16 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 you could make them yourself, but studded bicycle tires are available
from a variety or manufacturers, including Schwalbe, Continental, Kenda,
Nokian, and others.
 many of these cost more than the tires some people here put on their
cars.


I used to deliver newspapers all winter on a cheapie mountain bike. The
only real hazard was unshoveled sidewalks after a few freeze/thaw cycles.

I still love riding through the woods  in the snow; my regular bike on
regular mountain bike tires handles up to six inches or so with zero drama,
provided the elevation changes are modest. I haven't been able to figure
out if studded tires and fat bikes are just GAS (gear acquisition
syndrome), or if the disconnect is in my simple midwestern flatlander
brain.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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On Jan 5, 2015 4:26 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Early engine management and not OBD compliant


Yikes.  As a silver lining, I assume this means you have the early, hot rod
engine tune? That would explain the 15 mpg.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
 Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.


I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
will be a while before I get to feel clever again.

On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
should put more air in the tires.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and besides, I couldn't find any that
didn't have a zillion miles and spotty service history.  The Bluetec only
had 36k miles on it, and all records from the dealer.

The V6 is more complicated but doesn't seem to be less reliable.

Tom

On Jan 3, 2015 6:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable
than the v6 blue tec

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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On Jan 3, 2015 6:45 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Is fuel price the only reason you choose to drive a diesel?

 For me it's not.  I choose diesel engines for a lot of other
 reasons, so now that gasoline is cheap (for a while) I loose one of
 the lesser benefits.


Modern diesels have a different set of benefits than the older stuff. They
aren't anywhere near as simple. They won't run without electricity or
survive an EMP. You can't fix them with golf tees or pour cooking oil in
the tank as a party trick. They aren't drop dead reliable compared to their
contemporaries, as compared to, say, a W123 vs something with D-jet and a
distributor. They will not serve as taxis in Senegal thirty years from now.

The new stuff is all about efficiency, range, and torque. Torque is proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy.  I also appreciate the unique
technical aspects compared to every other silver E class out there. It is
still less expensive to operate than a gas E320 and I really like the car
so I'm not complaining, but the advantage is smaller than it was a few
months ago.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] my off topic word for the day

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Btw, have you contacted AE directly about your Globetrotters?

Tom
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[MBZ] New W211

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Well, I've placed a deposit on an '07 E320 Bluetec with a scant 36k miles.
Car is in Oklahoma City and I have the logistics worked out to go fetch it,
with the exception of talking Kaleb into buying my S420. Hint, hint. Free
delivery...

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime! A Poor Widow Needs Help!

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jul 28, 2014 10:52 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 We did use my phone momentarily in Niagara Falls on the return trip, I
wasn't sure where the hotel was as it was a different hotel than the
outbound ride but the rest of the trip was all with a paper map...

 -Curt


Of course I'd prefer to stick with my phone which is more or less always up
to date and my trusty 1999 Rand McNally (probably due for an update), but
the car comes with nav and it takes up a lot of prominent real estate on
the dash.  Need to know I can expect to use it for the duration even though
by time I'll be done with the car it will look as quaint as an in-dash 8
track player does today.

Kids these days sure get a kick out of the tape deck in the 140.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime! A Poor Widow Needs Help!

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Jaime, I need help, too!

I have my eye on a low mileage Okie E320 Bluetec, 2007.  I have paid zero
attention to the goings on of the electronics/Comand/nav systems of the
newer cars. Is there anything to be concerned about or is the system
solid?  What about upgradability?

Thanks,
Tom
It turns out 140s do rust, after all
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Re: [MBZ] Slow GL day

[tom savage]

On May 12, 2014 1:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 which is why i hope they return to keeping it simple and shun all the tech
 wizardry for some models.  maybe a modern 240D, only at 3 times the power.


Alas, the 240D genocide continues unabated:
http://ranwhenparked.net/2014/05/06/morocco-encouraging-taxi-drivers-to-scrap-w123s/

All the fancy toys still work perfectly on my 260k mile 140. It is amazing.
HVAC, door locks, cruise control, transmission modulator - all simple
mechanical stuff that broke repeatedly on my olde 123, though when
something finally breaks on the 140 it probably can't be fixed with a golf
tee.

Pretty much all I do is change the oil and replace an ignition coil every
once in a while.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] I think curt or somebody needs this

[tom savage]

 Emission testing is only in and around St. Louis and Kansas City
 and last I checked for cars newer than 1969.  The rest of the state
 has only safety inspections every two years.


As of a few years ago, only the St Louis area and only 1996 and newer
vehicles (1997 and up for diesels). It is just an OBD-II flash so only a
worry for the sort of folks who accept a check engine light as normal.

In other words, it is the bare minimum required by the Clean Air Act as a
nonattainment area.

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Re: [MBZ] Beltless

[tom savage]

On Dec 4, 2012 10:07 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

  ...Other than aircraft and stationary engines I can't think of any.
  Interesting question...
 
 It's the coming thing and whether it's going to be limited to high end
cars
 is the question.

Isn't the Prius beltless?  I think the alternator is integrated with the
starter and everything else is electric. (I think...)

Maybe there's a belt in the CVT.

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Re: [MBZ] GL oil

[tom savage]

My local dealer uses Mobil(e) 1 0w40 in CDIs, for what it's worth.  That
5w40 ESP formula M looks like the way to go.  Special order from flaps, I
imagine.

Tom
Future Volvo owner?

On Sep 1, 2012 10:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 Owners manual does not say. Every other mb manual has the chart with the
temp and weighs, all this one says is to see the recommended oil pamphlet
which is not in the manual packet.
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Re: [MBZ] 211 wagons

[tom savage]

 Well, if W=sedan

W=werksbezeichnen

Did anyone ever figure out S?
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Re: [MBZ] somebody is on crack

[Tom Savage]

Bob Rentfro wrote:

Could this be the crackiest cracker ever? I mean people will say 50mpg with
and auto 240D, but has anyone, lately, made such a stupid claim...and then
provide a picture to prove they are all jacked up?


Well, considering dealer retail is $59.00, we're looking at a CF of 23.8 
here, which is pretty crackie.  The formula is

Crack Factor = (eBay BIN + shipping) / dealer retail price

Someone smarter than me should be able to come up with a version for the 
whole car, with multipliers for outlandish mileage claims, time since it 
last ran, and the terms run forever and diesal.


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Re: [MBZ] 190D fan clutch years?

[Tom Savage]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Does anybody know if the fan clutch from an '86 or '87 190D will fit an '85?


Do you mean, will a 602 fan clutch fit a 601?  No, they're completely 
different.  Versions of the 102 use the same style clutch as a 601, but 
they're different part numbers and may or may not work/fit.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] fuel filter leaking

[Tom Savage]

Allan Streib wrote:

Can't seem to find a crush anywhere.  Anyone have a part number?


The upper ring is 007603 018101 up to engine 952 047570, and 000 997 00 
48 as of 952 047571. The lower ring is 003 997 58 48.


I found a fiber washer that was just the right diameter, tried that, and
it leaks even worse.

There are two O-rings on the hollow bolt, wondering if that's really my
problem.  Does anyone know what size they are?


007603 018101 is 18x22, DIN 7603.  I don't have a reference for the 
other two.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 300E question

[Tom Savage]

Craig McCluskey wrote:


So what is on the approved list?


Service Products
Approved Dexron III Automatic Transmission Fluid[1]

Castrol Dexron-III/Mercon ATF F-30341
Castrol Transmax M-22257/22096
Chevron ATF Dexron III F-30108/30159
Citgo Multi-Purpose ATF D-21571
Exxon Superflo ATF Dexron III F-30111
Havoline ATF Mercon/Dexron-III F-30321
Texaco ATF Mercon/Dexron-III F-30321
Pennzoil ATF D-22413/F-30110
Quaker State Dexron-III/Mercon F30161
Sunoco ATF Dexron-III/Mercon F-30176
Unocal Multi-Purpose ATF D-22413/22431
Valvoline ATF Type D

[1] Please see your Mercedes-Benz Center regarding applications. Do not 
use in 722.6 or 722.9 transmission!



Source: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/9511/?requestedDocId=9511

Also, your E420 should take Q 1 46 0001 in the PS pump.  Rusty can get 
it in a Pentosin bottle stuff for less.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 300E question

[Tom Savage]

John Freer wrote:

I saved this rule of thumb from one of Marshall's posts years ago.
As I recall, he stated that AT in a serpentine belt system would
create problems when encountering cold temperatures but nothing
drastic would happen.


This is not universally true.  The early serpentine systems took ATF. 
The 1985 TDM says that 201 and 124 models with the 765.9 power steering 
box take Automatic transmission fluid (ATF) or manual transmission 
oil.  I don't have an '86 TDM, but Don's owner's manual supports this 
for the '86 MY.  I think they all took the fancy PS oil by '87, but 
don't know for sure.


Also, even some new models use ATF in the power steering pump.  Circa 
2007, M-, G-, GL-, and R-Class all take MB Power Steering Fluid MB Part 
No. BQ 1 46 0001 or an approved Dexron III ATF.  Mobil 1 is not on the 
approved list.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Car For Tom Savage

[Tom Savage]

Rick Knoble wrote:

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/1060205442.html


That's a Kaleb car if I ever saw one.

Secret Message for Kaleb:  I talked to him this afternoon and will look 
at it tomorrow.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Car For Tom Savage

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
good deal, I appreciate it.  If you give the green like, or even it if 
looks like something that is half way worth driving up there for, tell 
the old boy you got somebody coming from OK this weekend to get it. If 
so, maybe we can do dinner or something.


Sounds good, except I'll be in Mexico this weekend.

It was a little hard to understand over his accent, but it sounds like 
the original trans may just have a bad B2, which I guess was still a 
potential problem in '87.  He put a used tranny in it which is now 
inert, but it does come with the original.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 560

[Tom Savage]

Steve Sparhawk wrote:

So, someone mentioned that 560s were rare.  have a line on one in a yard. What is 
special about them and what are the engine specs. Would the engine  tranny be good to 
snag if in OK condition??


A US-spec 560SEL is not rare.  The Europe-only 560SE is very rare, and 
the euro-spec engine is a lot more powerful than the US engine.


They were the top-of-the-line model at the time and are absolutely 
wonderful when in good shape, but they can require some very expensive 
work as they age.


The engine and tranny are worth grabbing if you need them, otherwise 
you're just Okifying the homestead.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Tom Savage]

Rich Thomas wrote:
Thanks for that info.  I have a large TODO pile too, and wifey is not 
real tolerant of more additions to the 6 on site.  She loves the new 
300SD, this 350SD is much much nicer even, I'm wondering if I could 
tempt her  This thing is tempting for a Kleb kind of price.  Even if 
the 350 goes bad, I'm guessing a 300turbo would fit in there well (and I 
have a Chevy 350 lump and tranny that would be a 350 swap!) so that 
could be a fallback.


A good-engine 350SD would be a very nice car.  Only 2,000 built; the 
only 126 rarer than that is the 560SE with 1,251 built.


For $800, it is hard to go wrong.  Even if it isn't worth messing with 
engine-wise, the '90/'91 interior, trim, wheels, and whatnot will make 
for a wonderful upgrade to the '84, which will make the wife happy, and 
then you'll have a bunch of parts to sell for well over the $800 you 
paid for it.


Tom

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[MBZ] 560SE

[Tom Savage]

E M wrote:

Tell me more about these 560 SE's please ??  Were these all Euro spec cars?


Not much to tell.  They were Europe-only and just a SWB 126 with the 
117.968. Body 126.038.  They must have been real hot rods with the 
weight savings over the LWB and spartan Euro amenities, but I don't know 
how they compare to an SEC.  Most or all were probably the 300hp non-cat 
ECE engines.


Tom




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Re: [MBZ] 350SD and 115 300D and 123 300D/126SEL pkg -- ??s

[Tom Savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:

I think the 560 was a US spec engine, and they would be called 500 SE 
elsewhere.


560SL was only for the US and Australia, but the 126 coupe and LWB sedan 
got the 5.6 in Europe and elsewhere from 1985-1991 (SE was 1988-1990). 
The 5.0 was also available elsewhere alongside the 5.6 until the end of 
production in 1991.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] speed ratings of tires

[Tom Savage]

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Kaleb,

Speed rating is about a lot more then speed. Speed rating also affects how
the tires handle. H rated tires have much stiffer sidewalls than S rated
tires and since the tires are an active part of a car's suspension,
downgrading from H to S rating, particularly the front tires, will have a
negative impact on how the car handles. Downgrading also greatly reduces
front tire tread life because the more flexible sidewalls allow more tread
to be scuffed off in turns.


What he said.  A 140 is a pretty hefty car and flimsy tires do it no 
favors at all.  I just put Bridgestone Turanzas on my S420 and they're 
about the perfect tire for the car.  Much nicer than the Michelins they 
replaced, or the Contis or no-name POS tires on other 140s I've driven.


Expensive, but they have a 70k mile treadlife warranty which I expect to 
collect on (these cars chew up tires pretty quickly), as long as I go 
back to Firestone every 6,000 miles so they can rotate them and steal my 
metal valve stem caps (again).


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] anybody need a LWB 123?

[Tom Savage]

Allan Streib wrote:

Manual windows, manual climate controls -- would almost think this is a
euro taxi not a limousine except for the automatic transmission.  But
still looks pretty nice.  Would definitely be a vehicle that takes its
own sweet time, with the slushbox and no turbo.


Surprisingly, it looks like it should be exactly as fast as a standard 
non-turbo 300D.  The W 300D has a 3.46 rear end while the LWB V 300D 
has a 3.96, and the TDM says they should both hit 100kph in 19.2 seconds 
with the autosuck, despite the long one weighing an extra 180 kilos.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] More on manuals for '94 E420

[Tom Savage]

Craig McCluskey wrote:

 You can buy a paper service
manual for a 600 for $59.99, or a paper service manual for a 1946 170
(W136), but you can't buy a CD for a '94 car.


Don't feel too bad.  You can order a 600 service manual, but all you get 
is an email saying they aren't available after all.


I missed the beginning of the discussion, but I can't quite see a 124 
manual being unobtanium just yet.  Check with Rusty, 1-800-FOR-MERC, or 
the dealer for part number P-2700-124-099. Failing that, it looks like 
you can get it here: 
http://www.autorepairmanuals.biz/site/573683/product/P2700124099


Uh-oh, maybe I mistyped - limited quantities available as of last October:
https://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/8638/images/numerical.pdf 
(page 2)


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] What do y'all think?

[Tom Savage]

Rich Thomas wrote:


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/994284095.html


I don't care much for the 210, but like these a lot.  I drove one back 
to back with an SL55 last year, and while I didn't exceed the speed 
limit, the E just felt more like a hooligan's car, while the SL was more 
subdued and didn't ask for trouble so much.  Sort of like 6.3 vs 6.9. 
The supercharged SL would probably out-hooligan the E all day long if 
you were to get on it, though.


The one I drove had I think 50k miles, and the owner (since new) said he 
hasn't had any problems with it.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] They just about give away 140's these days

[Tom Savage]

Rich Thomas wrote:
That thing has more buttons on the panel than the space shuttle.  I 
thought the TD's HVAC system was bad -- that thing would be a nightmare.


Actually, having spent an hour or so today diagnosing my 140's HVAC, I 
have to say it is a real delight compared to the Type III in my olde 
300D.  You just push a couple of buttons to enter diagnostic mode, and 
it tells you the values for every sensor, module, and whatnot in the 
system.  All seven (or more) temperature sensor values, refrigerant 
pressure, blower motor voltage, and so on.  Then the manual tells you 
where everything is, what the values should be, and how to test it, so 
diagnosis is just a matter of knowing how to use a multimeter.


This compared with chasing vacuum leaks all over creation.  The only 
downside is that you can't fix a 140 with a golf tee.  And later 140s 
have a much simpler ACC interface.


It looks like I've got a bad blower motor regulator.  This seems to be a 
common problem; note that the eBay car has a brand new one.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] They just about give away 140's these days

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I was going to ask you how you did all that then I remembered you had 
the later 140, I have the earlier version which I dont think works the 
same as yours.


I think it works pretty much the same, but it looks like the early ones 
give less information.  There's a nice writeup for the early system at 
http://k6jrf.com/MB_AAC.html  You'll need the manual to really dig into 
it, though.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Nice mercedes -- Value?

[Tom Savage]

Donald Snook wrote:

I just dropped my Cadillac off at my Indy's shop. He also usually has 7-8 cars 
for sale. He has a 2001 Mercedes E320 in PERFECT shape with only 58,000 miles 
on it.  I offhandedly asked him how much he wanted for it and he said $14,000.  
I about jumped out of my shoes.  Isn't that a VERY high price for those cars?   
I had no idea those were going for that much money.  If anyone is in the market 
for one, it really is VERY nice.  I can do a closer inspection if someone is 
really interested (even at that price).


The local MB dealer had on the lot the same car in the same condition 
when I was looking for my current car a year and a half ago.  They were 
asking $15k.  And that was when the car was over a year newer and before 
the world fell apart.


So yeah, I'd say he's a bit optimistic.

Tom

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[MBZ] 117 timing chain stretch

[Tom Savage]

Does anyone know how the timing chain stretch is measured on a an M117? 
  This is on a '91 560SEL and I've never been inside one.  Marks on the 
cam tower like an OM617?  I've got to pull the covers as the gaskets are 
letting oil out all over the manifold and figure that at 150k miles, I 
oughta check the (presumed original) chain as well.


Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Rear License plate backing

[Tom Savage]

Peter Merle wrote:

Here in S .Africa one got a Chrome ( Stainless Steel ? ) backing plate ,
very much the same as the front one thats on the EPC. I'l try and find out
what the part number is.
PEter


I've never seen a euro 123s with a rear bracket, and the EPC doesn't 
show one.  But, the EPC doesn't show a rear bracket for South Africa, 
either.  There's probably an SA code for that; do you have the VIN for a 
South African car handy?  The front bracket is P/N 123 817 03 78 with 
two of 116 810 06 14 between the bracket and the bumper.


Good Christmas, everyone.

Tom
Off to Indiana for a few days.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Socialism

[Tom Savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:

andrew strasfogel wrote:

He always buys two pair at a time?


Naw, I'm too cheap. I buy big and keep the laces tight.


Nordstrom will sell a pair of shoes in two different sizes.  Apparently 
Mrs. Nordstrom had the same problem.


Tom
Both feet size 9

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Re: [MBZ] The 65-mpg car Ford won't sell in US

[Tom Savage]

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Read what you want into it but the article tells me that Ford has no
confidence in the USA diesel car market. Know what I do about long term
diesel sales in the States, I don’t blame them and you can put 100% of the
blame on the diesel car engine that GM launched too early in the late 70s.


I have no confidence in Ford, or GM or Chrysler (do you think they'll 
bother opening back up next month?)  But I wonder if they're blaming 
consumers when they probably wouldn't make any money if they tried to 
sell it here.  Those miracle diesels are pricey engines, and would 
likely make the Fiesta too expensive for a Ford when put up against the 
Honda Fit and such, especially since they'd have to come up with a 
marketing campaign for it that involves more than interest rates and 
cash back, and teach a lot of new tricks to old dogs in the dealer 
service departments.  To say nothing of certification hassles.


VWoA has no trouble selling every TDI they can get, but they make very 
little money on them.


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Re: [MBZ] HENGST oil filters

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

What does Hengst part number D25 E 153 H go to?


M119.  http://www.sct-germany.de/Catalogue/Filter_SCT/1915.html

This is a great reference page:
http://www.sct-germany.de/robots_fil2000926.html

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Re: [MBZ] eBay sightings

[Tom Savage]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


On the other end of the spectrum, here's one you probably don't have
in your collection:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250341059366


Yikes!  Holy frankencar, Batman!


And finally, just what you need to reenact the big chase scene in
Goldfinger (the one where Bond crashes the DB6 and escapes on
foot---kind of anticlimactic, I always thought).
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270316230718


These are wonderful and inexpensive cars.  Throw an aluminum cylinder 
head from a Ponton 220S on there and they move pretty well, too.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] I make it back, Walmart hell

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
only place that was open sunday morning was walmart.  They were my last 
choice, trust me.


No they weren't.  Call next time...

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Re: [MBZ] SDL cranky cold starts

[Tom Savage]

TE wrote:

I'm not saying it was perfect, but its still running somewhere outside of
Atlanta with over 260k on it.

People that think a 22 year old diesel engine will just crank right up, not
smoke, run smooth after sitting in 20 degree weather all night are smoking
crack.


My S420 started right up with temps in the low teens this morning, but 
took about 10-15 seconds to come off the fast idle circuit.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] I get the 140 and fix it with duct tape, now 4sale for 5K and do the subframe bushes need attention

[Tom Savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Peter Frederick wrote:
If you mean the W124 (I don't think there is an S124!) 


W= sedan
S= wagon
C= coupe

Anybody remember what the above letters stand for?


I don't know about S and C, but W means Werksbezeichnung, or factory 
name.  The LWB sedan variants and the R Class are prefixed V for 
Verlangerte, extended.


There's a new prefix in town, too.  X, for, I guess, SUV variants of 
existing models.  The GLK is an X204 and the GL is an X164.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] I get the 140

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin, laptop wrote:
I am in fenton right now, but dont see it listed unless that walmart I 
was at was not fenton


Might have been Valley Park or Eureka.  Where exactly are you staying? 
There should be a bunch of tire and loob chain stores nearby.  Call me 
in the morning if you have trouble getting it done.


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Re: [MBZ] diesel wagon ??

[Tom Savage]

E M wrote:

I don't know enough about diesels.  I know the wagon was available as a
diesel in '87-88 if I'm not mistake, but I thought it was all gassers by '93


It's a gray market euro car.  Make sure it has a turbo.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Is this a factory color?

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



Its ugly as hell


Oooh! 618 Mimosa Yellow!  That's awesome!

Rant:  The w123 was available in 63 different colors.  I guess they 
couldn't all be winners, but MBUSA will sell you a new E350 in only ten 
colors.  Four are silver and two are black.


Lame.  I'll take Mimosa Yellow, thanks.  Or maybe Cayenne Orange.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 119 timing chain update

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well little Tommy just got done looking at said car for me.  Overall 
nice shape.  Said the valve cover is broken right above the chain, cant 
remember if he said on drivers or passenger side.  Said there is a whole 
there and you can see that the chain is still intact and not broken. So, 
what do you guys think this means?  Valves probably OK but front timing 
cover has to be pulled to replace the rails?


The hole is on the left/driver's side in front of the intake cam.  The 
chain is there but was loose.  I connected the battery and turned it 
over and it both turned fine and sounded fine.  It even fired once or 
twice, but the battery was so low that it could only muster a few 
revolutions before slowing down.  After this the chain was tight on the 
sprocket.


I'm thinking it is a chain guide/tensioner problem.  There must have 
been a good bit of slack in the chain for it to come up and hit the 
valve cover.  Now wondering if it jumped time a tooth or two and how 
much room for error there is between the valves and pistons.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] wrong size tires

[Tom Savage]

Craig McCluskey wrote:


[I sense the start of a new oil thread.]


No, I don't think so. Everyone else is saying the same thing.


Okay, how about an ambient temperature vs wind chill thread instead? 
First week of December and it still hasn't come up.  I guess no one 
drives 123s anymore.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] M119 broken timing chain

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I dont suppose anybody here has ever pulled a head on 5.0 119 engine to 
repair a broken timing chain have they?


No, but having twice the cams and valves of a 117 can't help anything, 
especially cost.  The block is already helicoiled at least.


No one I've talked to reports seeing many problems with the 119 chain 
and/or guides.  Praytell, what happened and how many miles?


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] M119 broken timing chain

[Tom Savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Well as a matter of fact said car is up your way, which does not mean 
you can steal it out from under me.  Im fixing to break my buying freeze 
I think.  The guy bought it off a bank, who repoed it when the owner 
quit paying.  I guess they blew it up.  It only has 144k on it. Guy said 
if you pull the air cleaner the cam case is cracked.  Im figuring this 
to mean the valve covers are cracked from a broken timing chain.  He 
said it turns over fine but he has not tried to start it.


Interesting.  The air cleaner doesn't really obscure the timing chest, 
where a broken chain would hit.  I'll try to make it out there and have 
a peek.  That has got to be a new world record for cheapest 140.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Car Trading

[Tom Savage]

R A Bennell wrote:
So Snook's car trading has me thinking. How many of you folks really trade often? 


I don't feel like I've gotten my money's worth until they're just plain 
worn (or rusted) out.  After seven years I got tired of my nearly worn 
and rusted out 300D at 348k miles.  The Passat TDI was around for 12 
years and still would be if it hadn't exploded.


The 140 is at 153k miles now.  Should be able to get another 150k out of 
it.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] 300SD storage

[Tom Savage]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if you have ever seen a car that was stored outside under a cover. 
I recall looking at a TR-3 with a friend that was under a tarp in the 
seller's backyard. Everything and I mean everything was rusted, rotten or corroded. 
In other words, it was scrap, despite what the seller believed.


He speaks the truth.  For a visual aid, the car in the attached pics 
went from a rust-free California cream puff to a red stain on the ground 
in four years.  I can't wait to restore it as soon as I retire.


Strangely, the shock towers appeared to be intact.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Only runs in reverse??

[Tom Savage]

Allan Streib wrote:


My 300D had the B2 problem.  I would have thought by '86 they would be
using the redesigned piston but honestly I don't know.  Also I've never
heard of the B2 issue on anything but the diesels, but again I don't
know that means anything.

If it is just the B2 that's a reasonably easy fix, assuming nothing else
is wrong.  The rebuild motor could be good or bad, depending.


Sure sounds like a B2.  All 722.3, .4, and (I think) .5 transmissions 
use the same B2 setup, but really only the early .3s are likely to have 
problems.  The updated designs do still fail, though, as happened in my 
old 300D.


That aluminum V8 is mighty expensive to rebuild and the average shop is 
likely to make a hash of it.  Check the receipts carefully.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Question re wrench

[Tom Savage]

R A Bennell wrote:

I picked up a wrench that says Mercedes on it. A single ended box end with an 
arch in the handle and a size of 20.8
mm. Is this intended for a specific purpose? The size is what intrigues me. I 
have to assume that something with a
unique size has a unique purpose. Photos attached.


Glow plug wrench.  That must be an old one, as the current number is 617 
589 00 03 00


http://www.startekinfo.de/etools/content/tool.jsp?toolno=617%20589%2000%2003%2000

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] Vehicle barriers

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am looking for one of those vehicle barriers like I see in the national forests.  They can lock with a padlock that is inside an opening in one of the posts, making bolt cutters harder to use.  


Google pipe bollard and you'll find a lot of options.  We use 
removable Securaposts at the museum and four years on they still work 
like new.  http://securapost.com.au/usa/


Tom


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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

[Tom Savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:

John Freer wrote:


4JGAB54E21A264913


4JGA is a USA made MBZ?
I don't understand VIN mfg/country of origin codes any more.


Me either.   A built-in-South Africa C Class has a W VIN, and no one 
seems able to explain it.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax please

[Tom Savage]

Mitch Haley wrote:


I thought the WDB VINs were for Westgermany, Daimler Benz, so W from 
SA puzzles me too. Now that Deutchland has been reunited and West 
Germany is no more, what do the German cars start with, a D? Does the 
W now mean South Africa?


W still means Germany/West Germany.  The next two are a manufacturer's 
code; DB = Daimler Benz.  I don't know if OstGermany joined the VIN 
standardization club, but our Trabant starts with E, but it is a '75.


South Africa should start with A.  Maybe they're only assembling 
knocked-down kits there, with enough work done in Germany to warrant a W 
VIN?  The Monroney on the new C I looked at last week said Final 
Assembly was in East London, ZA with something like 80+% of the parts 
content coming from Germany.


Tom
When I was young, all this made sense.

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