Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
Dunno, they're probably going to attract fruitcakes... -Curt On Monday, March 1, 2021, 3:02:11 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: To reduce the losses from the transmission lines, the thorium reactors should be close to the points of use. I want one in my backyard --- On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 1:54 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Baring some major battery technology > breakthrough, hydroelectric, geothermal, and nuclear are the only "clean" > reliable options. Hydroelectric and geothermal are only work in regions > with special geographies. Looks like nuclear to me. Let's see if the > greenies are serious. > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
To reduce the losses from the transmission lines, the thorium reactors should be close to the points of use. I want one in my backyard --- On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 1:54 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Baring some major battery technology > breakthrough, hydroelectric, geothermal, and nuclear are the only "clean" > reliable options. Hydroelectric and geothermal are only work in regions > with special geographies. Looks like nuclear to me. Let's see if the > greenies are serious. > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
I feel compelled to comment: by 2030, CO2 emissions will be the least of their worries. IMO. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Floyd Thursby via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Floyd Thursby Subject: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die https://news.yahoo.com/editorial-save-planet-climate-change-110020548.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
These guys crack me up. 90% of emissions come from outside the US, especially China and India who are only increasing their number of coal plants. US emissions could go to zero and it wouldn't matter. I think China commissions a new coal plane daily, on average. Second, the US was already on target to meet its Paris Accord targets (even after withdrawing) thanks mainly to fracking natural gas. Third, all these new cars actually reduce emissions to the extent they replace (completely or used instead of) older cars. Of course energy and emissions (ever been to a steel plant?) are required to build new cars (MBZ Diesel content). Replacing the grid will not be emission free, either. Current Green technologies (wind and solar) have their own environmental problems and are unreliable so redundant reliable sources are always needed. Baring some major battery technology breakthrough, hydroelectric, geothermal, and nuclear are the only "clean" reliable options. Hydroelectric and geothermal are only work in regions with special geographies. Looks like nuclear to me. Let's see if the greenies are serious. Many homes around here have a remote power shutoff on the HVAC system so the power company can shed load without killing all power to the home. This technology should be used to shut off power selectively at homes of environmental advocates whenever the green power stops working. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Floyd Thursby via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 11:18 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Floyd Thursby Subject: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die https://news.yahoo.com/editorial-save-planet-climate-change-110020548.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
There's also transportation as a loss in the case of petroleum. Also spillage... Very difficult to really compare them. -Curt On Monday, March 1, 2021, 12:15:33 PM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: Last I heard, the electrical grid was only something like 50% efficient. There is a _lot_ of waste. To that you must also subtract conversion losses, etc. An IC engine is something like 33% efficient, at best. Their overall system efficiency goes _up_ in cold weather, because they're making good use of what would otherwise be waste heat. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
Last I heard, the electrical grid was only something like 50% efficient. There is a _lot_ of waste. To that you must also subtract conversion losses, etc. An IC engine is something like 33% efficient, at best. Their overall system efficiency goes _up_ in cold weather, because they're making good use of what would otherwise be waste heat. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
>From the article, concerning world wide emissions, " main culprit is energy production, including onsite burning of fossil fuels by industries, which accounts for nearly half." "Energy production" should be correctly stated as "electricity production". Meaning your Tesla/Prius will probably contributes more CO2 to the atmosphere than a well maintained E320. That is not counting all the waste, pollution, and environmental damaged caused in the production of new vehicles. People are dumb. Seemingly educated people are even dumber. No wonder I like my cars better than most people. Rick Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36> From: Mercedes on behalf of Floyd Thursby via Mercedes Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 10:18:05 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Floyd Thursby Subject: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die https://news.yahoo.com/editorial-save-planet-climate-change-110020548.html -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
I'm sure that is why 3/4 of the entire country was just frozen solid... to much global warming. On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 9:18 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > https://news.yahoo.com/editorial-save-planet-climate-change-110020548.html > > -- > --FT > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die
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