Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 Dunno, they're probably going to attract fruitcakes...
-Curt

On Monday, March 1, 2021, 3:02:11 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 To reduce the losses from the transmission lines, the thorium reactors
should be close to the points of use. I want one in my backyard ---

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 1:54 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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>   Baring some major battery technology
> breakthrough, hydroelectric, geothermal, and nuclear are the only "clean"
> reliable options.  Hydroelectric and geothermal are only work in regions
> with special geographies.  Looks like nuclear to me.  Let's see if the
> greenies are serious.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
To reduce the losses from the transmission lines, the thorium reactors
should be close to the points of use. I want one in my backyard ---

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 1:54 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>   Baring some major battery technology
> breakthrough, hydroelectric, geothermal, and nuclear are the only "clean"
> reliable options.  Hydroelectric and geothermal are only work in regions
> with special geographies.  Looks like nuclear to me.  Let's see if the
> greenies are serious.
>


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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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Von Braun
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I feel compelled to comment: by 2030, CO2 emissions will be the least of
their worries. IMO.

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Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
These guys crack me up.  90% of emissions come from outside the US,
especially China and India who are only increasing their number of coal
plants.  US emissions could go to zero and it wouldn't matter.  I think
China commissions a new coal plane daily, on average.  Second, the US was
already on target to meet its Paris Accord targets (even after withdrawing)
thanks mainly to fracking natural gas.  Third, all these new cars actually
reduce emissions to the extent they replace (completely or used instead of)
older cars.  Of course energy and emissions (ever been to a steel plant?)
are required to build new cars (MBZ Diesel content).  Replacing the grid
will not be emission free, either.  Current Green technologies (wind and
solar) have their own environmental problems and are unreliable so redundant
reliable sources are always needed.  Baring some major battery technology
breakthrough, hydroelectric, geothermal, and nuclear are the only "clean"
reliable options.  Hydroelectric and geothermal are only work in regions
with special geographies.  Looks like nuclear to me.  Let's see if the
greenies are serious.

Many homes around here have a remote power shutoff on the HVAC system so the
power company can shed load without killing all power to the home.  This
technology should be used to shut off power selectively at homes of
environmental advocates whenever the green power stops working.

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Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 There's also transportation as a loss in the case of petroleum. Also 
spillage... 

Very difficult to really compare them.
-Curt

On Monday, March 1, 2021, 12:15:33 PM EST, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Last I heard, the electrical grid was only something like 50% efficient.
There is a _lot_ of waste.  To that you must also subtract conversion
losses, etc.  An IC engine is something like 33% efficient, at best.
Their overall system efficiency goes _up_ in cold weather, because
they're making good use of what would otherwise be waste heat.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Last I heard, the electrical grid was only something like 50% efficient.
There is a _lot_ of waste.  To that you must also subtract conversion
losses, etc.  An IC engine is something like 33% efficient, at best.
Their overall system efficiency goes _up_ in cold weather, because
they're making good use of what would otherwise be waste heat.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>From the article, concerning world wide emissions,

" main culprit is energy production, including onsite burning of fossil fuels 
by industries, which accounts for nearly half."

"Energy production" should be correctly stated as "electricity production". 
Meaning your Tesla/Prius will probably contributes more CO2 to the atmosphere 
than a well maintained E320. That is not counting all the waste, pollution, and 
environmental damaged caused in the production of new vehicles. People are 
dumb. Seemingly educated people are even dumber.

No wonder I like my cars better than most people.

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I'm sure that is why 3/4 of the entire country was just frozen solid... to
much global warming.


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[MBZ] Editorial: To save the planet from climate change, gas guzzlers have to die

2021-03-01 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

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