Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

clay via Mercedes wrote:

The issue is sort of resolved now.  The vicious fan had died, and paired with the screw 
up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs way to rich and is 
all out of whack.  I real D-jet mechanic will have to De-tune the tune up and 
fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make that payment today.

Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 
miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil.  The job was not done.


Or the car polluted the oil like a carbureted car with the choke stuck on.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Those vicious fans need to be incarcerated to ensure our safety.


On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 clay via Mercedes wrote:

 The issue is sort of resolved now.  The vicious fan had died, and paired
 with the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing
 now runs way to rich and is all out of whack.  I real D-jet mechanic will
 have to De-tune the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I
 can not make that payment today.

 Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after
 500 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil.  The job was not
 done.


 Or the car polluted the oil like a carbureted car with the choke stuck on.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-16 Thread clay via Mercedes
Thanks.  No aux fan.  That was introduced later in the year. Hoses are a year 
old and holding well.  It was the visco clutch that failed.  Replaced it Monday.

I was a retard and took the car for a 8 hour drive around Mt. Rainier over the 
weekend.  It did fine, though did get hot

clay

On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

 Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary fan comes 
 on at about 100C.  With both of those out of action on a steep grade, you 
 will overheat.
 
 Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft.  They can 
 collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block of coolant.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
In the 2 190Ds I've had neither had a properly working fan clutch (the 190Ds 
are electric) and as long as the car is moving it doesn't really matter. Its 
puttering along in heavy traffic that gets ya.

-Curt



 From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
 

Thanks.  No aux fan.  That was introduced later in the year. Hoses are a year 
old and holding well.  It was the visco clutch that failed.  Replaced it Monday.

I was a retard and took the car for a 8 hour drive around Mt. Rainier over the 
weekend.  It did fine, though did get hot

clay

On Jul 11, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

 Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary fan comes 
 on at about 100C.  With both of those out of action on a steep grade, you 
 will overheat.
 
 Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft.  They can 
 collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block of coolant.
 
 Peter
 
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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-16 Thread clay via Mercedes
The issue is sort of resolved now.  The vicious fan had died, and paired with 
the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs 
way to rich and is all out of whack.  I real D-jet mechanic will have to 
De-tune the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make 
that payment today.

Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 
miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil.  The job was not done.

clay

On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote:
 Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.
 
 I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
 the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 
 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp 
 was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a 
 gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head 
 back home and give it a better look.
 
 No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the 
 oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 
 miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  
 So, I gave it all new oil.
 
 Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  
 The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have 
 replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add 
 to the heat soaking.
 
 Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.
 
 Anybody have insight?
 
 
 clay
 
 
 This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not?
 Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not mistaken.
 Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of 
 the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together.
 Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it?
 
 Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad 
 plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that 
 should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc?
 Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can 
 make for problems.
 Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin 
 with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does 
 not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new.
 
 Randy
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-16 Thread clay via Mercedes
yes.  Detergent flush, then citric, finally full tap water flush.  Buttoned 
back up with new hoses and water pump.

clay

On Jul 11, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush?
 
 -- Jim
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.
 
 I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to
 climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle)
 doing 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the
 temp was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and
 drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I
 decided to head back home and give it a better look.
 
 No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the
 oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500
 miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.
 So, I gave it all new oil.
 
 Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.
 The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have
 replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to
 add to the heat soaking.
 
 Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.
 
 Anybody have insight?
 
 
 clay
 
 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
So clearly the money for fixing everything will come when your solicitor calls 
shop A right?

-Curt



 From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
 

The issue is sort of resolved now.  The vicious fan had died, and paired with 
the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs 
way to rich and is all out of whack.  I real D-jet mechanic will have to 
De-tune the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not make 
that payment today.

Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 
miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil.  The job was not done.

clay

On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

 On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote:
 Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.
 
 I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
 the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 
 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp 
 was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a 
 gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head 
 back home and give it a better look.
 
 No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the 
 oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 
 miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  
 So, I gave it all new oil.
 
 Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  
 The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have 
 replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add 
 to the heat soaking.
 
 Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.
 
 Anybody have insight?
 
 
 clay
 
 
 This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not?
 Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not mistaken.
 Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of 
 the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together.
 Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it?
 
 Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad 
 plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that 
 should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc?
 Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can 
 make for problems.
 Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin 
 with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does 
 not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new.
 
 Randy
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-16 Thread clay via Mercedes
It was a club event that introduced the troublesome shop.  They were having a 
great savings deal if you scheduled a procedure.  I went with the oil change.  
And for them to look into the back firing issue.  They found many issues I knew 
of, as well as some that had been addressed, and they wanted to address as 
well.  The crap wires I got from Q got replaces, and contact point that were 
not old, as well as a host of other already dealt with parts.  The price got 
out of hand, so I called it quits and took the car back.  IT ran much worse 
leaving than it did on delivery.

I provided prior work orders to show what had been done.  It was ignored.  The 
shop monkey was not versed on older cars, and just went swinging wrenches.  
D-jets will rack up fees if you toss parts, or adjust the crap out of them with 
no clue.  He did all that and more.  

The vacuum system has leaks.  I am going to need to tackle that.  IT may solve 
the door lock issue and the fuel delivery troubles.

clay


On Jul 16, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

 So clearly the money for fixing everything will come when your solicitor 
 calls shop A right?
 
 -Curt
 
 
 
 From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 6:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
 
 
 The issue is sort of resolved now.  The vicious fan had died, and paired with 
 the screw up job the shop did trying to remove a backfire, the thing now runs 
 way to rich and is all out of whack.  I real D-jet mechanic will have to 
 De-tune the tune up and fiddling to get it back to proper, but I can not 
 make that payment today.
 
 Same shop was supposed to have done a full synth oil change, but after 500 
 miles, the stuff looked like nine year old diesel oil.  The job was not done.
 
 clay
 
 On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 
 On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote:
 Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.
 
 I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to 
 climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) 
 doing 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the 
 temp was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and 
 drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I 
 decided to head back home and give it a better look.
 
 No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the 
 oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 
 miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil. 
  So, I gave it all new oil.
 
 Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  
 The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have 
 replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to 
 add to the heat soaking.
 
 Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.
 
 Anybody have insight?
 
 
 clay
 
 
 This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not?
 Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not 
 mistaken.
 Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All of 
 the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together.
 Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it?
 
 Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the rad 
 plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle that 
 should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc?
 Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water can 
 make for problems.
 Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to begin 
 with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so old age does 
 not help them cope when they were not all that good when they were new.
 
 Randy
 
 
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[MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-11 Thread clay
Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. 
  I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was 
climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of 
water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head back home and 
give it a better look.  

No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the oil 
for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 miles of a 
change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  So, I gave it 
all new oil.  

Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  The 
AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have replaced 
the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat 
soaking.  

Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.  

Anybody have insight?


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-11 Thread Peter Frederick
Check the function of the visco clutch and make sure the auxilliary  
fan comes on at about 100C.  With both of those out of action on a  
steep grade, you will overheat.


Also check to make sure the bottom radiator hose has not gone soft.   
They can collapse under high speed pump operation, starving the block  
of coolant.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-11 Thread Curt Raymond
De-scale, de-oil the cooling system?

If the cooling system is up to snuff (which it appears to be, can you hold the 
computer closer to the radiator?) then the problem has to be something adding 
heat where it doesn't belong, timing maybe?

Does turning on the heat help?

-Curt



 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; SL Discussion List 
s...@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 3:38 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Hot under the collar
 

Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. 
  I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was 
climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of 
water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head back home and 
give it a better look.  

No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the oil 
for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 miles of a 
change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  So, I gave it 
all new oil.  

Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  The 
AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have replaced 
the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat 
soaking.  

Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.  

Anybody have insight?


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-11 Thread Randy Bennell

On 11/07/2014 2:38 PM, clay wrote:

Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to climb 
the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle) doing 70mph. 
  I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the temp was 
climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and drizzled a gallon of 
water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I decided to head back home and 
give it a better look.

No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the oil 
for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500 miles of a 
change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.  So, I gave it 
all new oil.

Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.  The 
AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have replaced 
the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to add to the heat 
soaking.

Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.

Anybody have insight?


clay



This is the car that has had all sorts of issues is it not?
Timing and fuel mixture can be an issue with overheating if I am not 
mistaken.
Too soon, too late, or bad advance mechanism, too rich, or too lean. All 
of the above, some of the above etc. It all needs to work together.

Was the oil thin? Did it smell of fuel? Was there too much of it?

Apart from that, if the engine seemed to be running fine, then is the 
rad plugged? Does the fan work? Is there anything missing on the vehicle 
that should be there, like a fan shroud or an air dam under the bumper etc?
Is the coolant mixture ok? Too much or too little coolant with the water 
can make for problems.
Some cars (not necessarily MBs) were built with marginal cooling to 
begin with. Big motor, tight engine compartment, smog controls etc so 
old age does not help them cope when they were not all that good when 
they were new.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-11 Thread Jim Cathey
I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush?

-- Jim



On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.

 I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to
 climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle)
 doing 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because the
 temp was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and
 drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I
 decided to head back home and give it a better look.

 No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the
 oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500
 miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the oil.
  So, I gave it all new oil.

 Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.
  The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I have
 replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to
 add to the heat soaking.

 Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.

 Anybody have insight?


 clay

 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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Re: [MBZ] Hot under the collar

2014-07-11 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Has the thermostat been tested to confirm it's working properly? It seems
that thermostats can fail early. Also if the radiator is old, it could be
partially blocked. What are the hose temps coming out of the radiator?

I have the opposite problem insofar that the TE won't get past 80 much,
should sit at about 82. May well have to pull the thermostat to see if it
is operating as it should.
Anyway we made it to Queensland and I am sitting here in shorts and T
shirt. We saw that Russian sattelite break up while we where in Cobar
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/11/australian-meteorite-most-likely-part-of-russian-satellite
was pretty specky.

Hendrik
who was advised by the NSW highway patrol as to what the speed limit is


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote:

 I forget, have you given it a citric acid flush?

 -- Jim



 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

  Froggy is having inconsistent cooling issues.
 
  I was taking her for an italian tune up this past weekend.  I meant to
  climb the foothills of the Cascades about 32 miles out of town (seattle)
  doing 70mph.   I made it only 22 miles before I had to pull off because
 the
  temp was climbing up to the red zone.  Got to a service station and
  drizzled a gallon of water over the block and rad to get temp down.  I
  decided to head back home and give it a better look.
 
  No visible leakage.  The system was holding pressure fine.  I checked the
  oil for water, but only found it to be black and nasty.  This within 500
  miles of a change.  I am suspecting the shop did not really change the
 oil.
   So, I gave it all new oil.
 
  Thermostat was changed, along with new hoses and water pump last summer.
   The AC does not function, so that should have no impact on temps.  I
 have
  replaced the hood pad, and there are no cats living in the engine bay to
  add to the heat soaking.
 
  Transmission filter and fluids were change two years ago, about 2k miles.
 
  Anybody have insight?
 
 
  clay
 
  2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately  well tailored chap
  1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
  1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
  1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
  POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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