Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-28 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Jan 27, 2015 2:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 How are you guys there? Curt? Fred? Jon?

I have been in Allentown, PA since Saturday; when the news folks started
talking up the Sunday storm I was worried about driving home (later
today).  We got an inch or two, the kids saw some snow blowing and threw
some snowballs.  A nice snow, but somewhat cooler than I prefer. :)

Interestingly many of the city roads still aren't cleared from Saturday
morning, and the talk on the streets was that folks were glad it wasn't
worse here Sunday night because we just aren't prepared like they are up
north - almost exactly the same conversation I hear when it doesn't snow
in NC.  Given that, I did think it odd that almost every parking lot was
cleared by of the Sunday night snow by early Monday morning.

I observe that some people here cannot drive in any weather, but maybe
those are the New Yorkers.  It was reasonably pleasant on the unscraped
roads, and I didn't hit any interesting ice in the freezing or just above
temps.  I even went without a coat a couple of times.

Hope you folks further north were indeed better prepared, and the rest of
the week has been pleasant.

Best,
Tim
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[MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Craig via Mercedes
People in New York are upset with the heavy-handed approach to the storm.
Even Time magazine called it a Snow Job,

http://time.com/3684240/blame-de-blasio-and-cuomo-and-christie-for-the-blizzard-snow-job/

The 11 p.m. curfew resulted in lost wages for delivery people who
count on larger-than-usual tips during inclement weather. Why
couldn’t they make their own decisions about working during the
snow? Not everyone makes a salary the way our mayor and governor
do. Many workers count on their hourly wage, and their tips, to
make their rent each month.

The storm was a dud, but even if had been as severe as predicted,
bringing a city like New York to a preemptive standstill makes
little sense. The people who keep New York humming take the
subway after 11pm and can decide for themselves whether to keep
their businesses open. Preparedness doesn’t have to mean panic.


There was earlier discussion about meterologists forgetting past bad
forecasts, but here is one who apologized:

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/storm-fails-to-live-up-to-predictions-in-some-areas/
Storm Fails To Live Up To Predictions In Some Areas As National
Weather Service Meteorologist Apologizes January 27, 2015 12:40 PM


Apparently, though, further north it was as forecast.

How are you guys there? Curt? Fred? Jon?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread clay via Mercedes
Seattle is fine.  Look like we may get close to 60*f.  Lots of people making 
plans to drive down to AZ for the game.  Logan is closed, so more room for the 
12th man.


clay

On Jan 27, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

 Craig et al.In Lynn, we are buried. Can't open the front door yet, nor am I 
 about to try, back door is opened against about 6 of snow on the porch.The 
 city has not come down our dead end street to plow, though someone with maybe 
 a side-walk plow passed down the center of the street as far as the hydrant 
 at the far end.Tomorrow it will be all arse and elbow and snow blowing, today 
 we rest.How is everyone else doing?
 
 Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Very well here in sunny NC.  ;)

Wilton

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Craig et al.In Lynn, we are buried. Can't open the front door yet, nor am 
I about to try, back door is opened against about 6 of snow on the 
porch.The city has not come down our dead end street to plow, though 
someone with maybe a side-walk plow passed down the center of the street 
as far as the hydrant at the far end.Tomorrow it will be all arse and 
elbow and snow blowing, today we rest.How is everyone else doing?


Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

D.C. area got 1 overnight of fluffy, wet, dangerous snow.  Enough to close
schools in Fairax County, VA and allow me an extra 2 hrs. to get to work.
:)


That is not even a snow.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
45 at the Renewable Fuels Summit.   Both weasely Clark and Rick 
Santorum agree.   It is a good day!


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Ah, come on - cut them some slack.

These days the authorities cannot win.
If they ignore it all and let people go about their business, then there 
will be massive complaints that the poor idiots were not protected by 
their government officials, and poor cops and firemen will have to go 
out and try to rescue them as some risk to themselves.


If they ask people to stay home where it should be fairly safe, then 
people complain if the weather is not as bad as it might have been.
It is not the end of the world if one gets a snow day to stay home and 
unwind a bit.

I could use one about now.

RB


On 27/01/2015 1:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

People in New York are upset with the heavy-handed approach to the storm.
Even Time magazine called it a Snow Job,

http://time.com/3684240/blame-de-blasio-and-cuomo-and-christie-for-the-blizzard-snow-job/

The 11 p.m. curfew resulted in lost wages for delivery people who
count on larger-than-usual tips during inclement weather. Why
couldn’t they make their own decisions about working during the
snow? Not everyone makes a salary the way our mayor and governor
do. Many workers count on their hourly wage, and their tips, to
make their rent each month.

The storm was a dud, but even if had been as severe as predicted,
bringing a city like New York to a preemptive standstill makes
little sense. The people who keep New York humming take the
subway after 11pm and can decide for themselves whether to keep
their businesses open. Preparedness doesn’t have to mean panic.


There was earlier discussion about meterologists forgetting past bad
forecasts, but here is one who apologized:

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/storm-fails-to-live-up-to-predictions-in-some-areas/
 Storm Fails To Live Up To Predictions In Some Areas As National
 Weather Service Meteorologist Apologizes January 27, 2015 12:40 PM


Apparently, though, further north it was as forecast.

How are you guys there? Curt? Fred? Jon?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Hans Neureiter via Mercedes
What blizzard?
CNN called it historical before it happened.
On Jan 27, 2015 2:35 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Ah, come on - cut them some slack.

 These days the authorities cannot win.
 If they ignore it all and let people go about their business, then there
 will be massive complaints that the poor idiots were not protected by their
 government officials, and poor cops and firemen will have to go out and try
 to rescue them as some risk to themselves.

 If they ask people to stay home where it should be fairly safe, then
 people complain if the weather is not as bad as it might have been.
 It is not the end of the world if one gets a snow day to stay home and
 unwind a bit.
 I could use one about now.

 RB


 On 27/01/2015 1:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

 People in New York are upset with the heavy-handed approach to the storm.
 Even Time magazine called it a Snow Job,

 http://time.com/3684240/blame-de-blasio-and-cuomo-and-
 christie-for-the-blizzard-snow-job/

 The 11 p.m. curfew resulted in lost wages for delivery people who
 count on larger-than-usual tips during inclement weather. Why
 couldn't they make their own decisions about working during the
 snow? Not everyone makes a salary the way our mayor and governor
 do. Many workers count on their hourly wage, and their tips, to
 make their rent each month.

 The storm was a dud, but even if had been as severe as predicted,
 bringing a city like New York to a preemptive standstill makes
 little sense. The people who keep New York humming take the
 subway after 11pm and can decide for themselves whether to keep
 their businesses open. Preparedness doesn't have to mean panic.


 There was earlier discussion about meterologists forgetting past bad
 forecasts, but here is one who apologized:

 http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/storm-fails-to-
 live-up-to-predictions-in-some-areas/
  Storm Fails To Live Up To Predictions In Some Areas As National
  Weather Service Meteorologist Apologizes January 27, 2015 12:40 PM


 Apparently, though, further north it was as forecast.

 How are you guys there? Curt? Fred? Jon?


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
D.C. area got 1 overnight of fluffy, wet, dangerous snow.  Enough to close
schools in Fairax County, VA and allow me an extra 2 hrs. to get to work.
:)

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:50 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Seattle is fine.  Look like we may get close to 60*f.  Lots of people
 making plans to drive down to AZ for the game.  Logan is closed, so more
 room for the 12th man.


 clay

 On Jan 27, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:

  Craig et al.In Lynn, we are buried. Can't open the front door yet, nor
 am I about to try, back door is opened against about 6 of snow on the
 porch.The city has not come down our dead end street to plow, though
 someone with maybe a side-walk plow passed down the center of the street as
 far as the hydrant at the far end.Tomorrow it will be all arse and elbow
 and snow blowing, today we rest.How is everyone else doing?
 
  Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Craig et al.In Lynn, we are buried. Can't open the front door yet, nor am I 
about to try, back door is opened against about 6 of snow on the porch.The 
city has not come down our dead end street to plow, though someone with maybe a 
side-walk plow passed down the center of the street as far as the hydrant at 
the far end.Tomorrow it will be all arse and elbow and snow blowing, today we 
rest.How is everyone else doing?

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I'm always amused by people who howl about the accuracy of weather  
forecasting.  Weather is chaotic and unpredictable by nature, we have  
very good weather forecasting considering the number of variables  
involved and the complexity of weather itself.


It wasn't all that long ago that all the data used was collected by  
ground observers and a few ballon sondes sent up to transmit wind  
speeds and temperatures.  Today we have doppler sattelite data for all  
sorts of things, including moisture content in the air at various  
heights, temperatures, wind speeds, and etc.  And we can process all  
that data in just about real time.


However, even with supercomputers, it is IMPOSSIBLE to determine just  
exactly when and where rain will become snow, exactly where the snow  
will change from wet to dry, and exactly what the temperatures will be.


What do you want, silence until the snow starts?  Come on, all weather  
forecasts are speculative, it's the nature of chaotic systems, and  
they were pretty much on the nose with this one.  Storm ended up a bit  
smaller (less than 50 miles smaller) and a few miles further off-shore  
than the models predicted, but what if they'd said it was just gonna  
snow and blow a bit and the storm went that 50 miles inland with no  
warning?  How many people would have spent three days stuck in a car  
on the expressway and frozen to death.  It's not funny, I've been  
stuck in heavy snow (a breakdown, but stuck none the less).


I'd greatly prefer over-cautions warnings to freezing to death stuck  
in drifting snow on the expressway, and so far there are no deaths  
associated with this storm, at least not that I've heard.  Far better  
safe than sorry.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
But if you work for Unkie that should be enough to keep you home for 2 
days.  Snow in DC is a solvent on the glue of society.


--R


On 1/27/15 4:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
D.C. area got 1 overnight of fluffy, wet, dangerous snow.  Enough to 
close
schools in Fairax County, VA and allow me an extra 2 hrs. to get to 
work.

:)


That is not even a snow.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Nough for me.   ;)

Wilton

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D.C. area got 1 overnight of fluffy, wet, dangerous snow.  Enough to 
close

schools in Fairax County, VA and allow me an extra 2 hrs. to get to work.
:)


That is not even a snow.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think the government made the right choice. People will make the stupidest 
choices and then get pissed when the government won't bail them out.
We're off the western edge of it, I went out around lunch and had 8-10 
depending on where I measured. I made a video which should be ready in an hour 
or so. We've ended up with a foot or just a bit more I think.
I got two of the snowmobiles out. My '79 Polaris wasn't running on the PTO 
side, I cleaned the points but I think that I flooded it. I need to pull the 
plugs and crank it a few times to dry them. The '91 Arctic Cat worked out 
fantastically, I was interested in how it would do in the powder and it climbed 
right up just like I'd want it to. Stay on the power and steer with my weight.
-Curt
 

 From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 2:34 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon  2015 Blizzard Bust
   
People in New York are upset with the heavy-handed approach to the storm.
Even Time magazine called it a Snow Job,

http://time.com/3684240/blame-de-blasio-and-cuomo-and-christie-for-the-blizzard-snow-job/

    The 11 p.m. curfew resulted in lost wages for delivery people who
    count on larger-than-usual tips during inclement weather. Why
    couldn’t they make their own decisions about working during the
    snow? Not everyone makes a salary the way our mayor and governor
    do. Many workers count on their hourly wage, and their tips, to
    make their rent each month.

    The storm was a dud, but even if had been as severe as predicted,
    bringing a city like New York to a preemptive standstill makes
    little sense. The people who keep New York humming take the
    subway after 11pm and can decide for themselves whether to keep
    their businesses open. Preparedness doesn’t have to mean panic.


There was earlier discussion about meterologists forgetting past bad
forecasts, but here is one who apologized:

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/storm-fails-to-live-up-to-predictions-in-some-areas/
    Storm Fails To Live Up To Predictions In Some Areas As National
    Weather Service Meteorologist Apologizes January 27, 2015 12:40 PM


Apparently, though, further north it was as forecast.

How are you guys there? Curt? Fred? Jon?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
OKC hit 76 today, and is forecast to do the same tomorrow. We go below
freezing again Thursday, and get snow Sat. night, though not enough to
count.

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 2:50 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Seattle is fine.  Look like we may get close to 60*f.  Lots of people
 making plans to drive down to AZ for the game.  Logan is closed, so more
 room for the 12th man.

 --


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Snowmageddon ---- 2015 Blizzard Bust

2015-01-27 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
As a veteran of many hurricanes while living on the FL Gulf coast, I can
tell you that it is much better to get prepared and not need it than the
other way round.  I also know that storm track prediction technology isn't
perfect.


  On 27/01/2015 1:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
 
  People in New York are upset with the heavy-handed approach to the
 storm.
  Even Time magazine called it a Snow Job,
 
  http://time.com/3684240/blame-de-blasio-and-cuomo-and-
  christie-for-the-blizzard-snow-job/
 
  The 11 p.m. curfew resulted in lost wages for delivery people
who
  count on larger-than-usual tips during inclement weather. Why
  couldn't they make their own decisions about working during the
  snow? Not everyone makes a salary the way our mayor and
governor
  do. Many workers count on their hourly wage, and their tips, to
  make their rent each month.
 
  The storm was a dud, but even if had been as severe as
predicted,
  bringing a city like New York to a preemptive standstill makes
  little sense. The people who keep New York humming take the
  subway after 11pm and can decide for themselves whether to keep
  their businesses open. Preparedness doesn't have to mean panic.
 
 
  There was earlier discussion about meterologists forgetting past bad
  forecasts, but here is one who apologized:
 
  http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2015/01/27/storm-fails-to-
  live-up-to-predictions-in-some-areas/
   Storm Fails To Live Up To Predictions In Some Areas As National
   Weather Service Meteorologist Apologizes January 27, 2015 12:40
  PM
 
 
  Apparently, though, further north it was as forecast.
 
  How are you guys there? Curt? Fred? Jon?
 
 
  Craig
 
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