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Correction: It's parts per million in volume and cause of acid rain
CO2 levels are at very small amount in the air around the earth,
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That is the problem presented to the US population. we do not
understand it vs. acid rain is a chemical reaction from CO2
Looking at this issue over the last 150 years, the ponds and rivers
will never
Raymond
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Its cold right now on the east coast... 2 years in a row I've ridden my
motorcycle after Thanksgiving. We had the second warmest December on record.
Climate, not weather. Don't judge
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Correction: It's parts per million in volume and cause of acid rain
CO2 levels are at very small
Curt Raymond wrote:
I'm with you Tom, whats a moderate to do?
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Curt Raymond wrote:
I'm with you Tom, whats a moderate to do?
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Its cold right now on the east coast... 2 years in a row I've ridden my
motorcycle after Thanksgiving. We had the second warmest
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I'm with you Tom, whats a moderate to do?
I'll tell you what I do, I drive at 20 year old car that averages better
than 35mpg. I've got 85 acres that within a decade should be covered with
trees.
Every month I invest in insulating my house
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:49:27 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick
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Too bad they all contain mercury I'm thinking white LEDs someday,
although those have some nasty ecological implications from manufacture,
too.
White LEDs indeed are very promising. While they do have
Tom Hargrave wrote:
And regarding replacing older vehicles with newer fuel efficient models. Has
anyone calculated the environmental impact of manufacturing a new car?
I just use purchase price as a proxy for energy consumption (total, including
what the employees buy and consume with
I do basically the same. My wood stove burns every night it's cold I
consider wood the ultimate renewable resource.
It's what we do. On our place, pine trees are weeds. Sure grow like
'em, they even sprout out of the rocks.
And regarding replacing older vehicles with newer fuel efficient
: [MBZ] OT - Global Warming rebuttal
Curt,
I do basically the same. My wood stove burns every night it's cold I
consider wood the ultimate renewable resource.
And regarding replacing older vehicles with newer fuel efficient models. Has
anyone calculated the environmental impact of manufacturing
Just make them in China - it seems they don't care anyway.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-goldberg8feb08,0,5612072.column?coll=la-opinion-rightrail
Even so, the costs are just too high for too little payoff. Even if the
Kyoto Protocol were put into effect tomorrow — a total impossibility —
we'd barely affect global warming. Jerry Mahlman
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Curt,
I do basically the same. My wood stove burns every night it's cold I
consider wood the ultimate
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Tom
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I find it interesting that allot of US citizens (who
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I find it interesting that allot of US citizens (who by the way make up 5%
of the worlds population but consume 26% of its energy) refuse to believe
what we are doing cannot harm the 20 mile deep ocean of air we have
surrounding us.
It doesn't surprise me. People
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Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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I find it interesting
You brought up the nuts bolts behind what I've been saying, that
there
is no proven correlation between CO2 levels global warming.
A nit: there _is_ a correlation, under question is the causal
relationship.
As I recall from Philosophy 201 (?), that would be the post hoc ergo
propter hoc
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Oh, I agree that we are polluting the air and we need to stop ASAP. My only
issue is with the current Global Warming mass hysteria. It's to the point
where the experts were blaming this year's earlier warm weather on global
warming but now that it's actually cold in the
They damn well better NOT contain mercury. :((
My sense is they do last longer, at least the ones from Home Depot. I don't
know yet about the cheapies from Ikea that we just purchased @3 for $3.99).
Curt - you are hardly a moderate. You are a green zealot, in the best sense
of both words.
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and other motorized devices.
All my other footprint reducing endevors are to payoff the fun stuff...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:00:48 -0500
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Its cold right now on the east coast... 2 years in a row I've ridden my
motorcycle after Thanksgiving. We had the second warmest December on
record.
Climate, not weather. Don't judge based on one city or state in a week,
whats the overall average
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Whatever happened to the theory I'd heard that we were due, and
headed into, a minor ice age, except for our human CO2 footprint!
The last mini ice age, which started with the end of the midieval
warm period, ended in the 1800s.
We've been warming since
GF bulbs are sensitve to position (they don't like to be base up) and to heat
-- I have some that have lasted years now in sidways ceiling fixtures that
open except for the glass diffuser underneath, while some in the basement
ceiling (base up) only last six month or so. The ones in the
Allan Streib wrote:
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I replace incadescent lightbulbs with cf.
What's your experience with this? I started doing this, and found
that they don't last any longer than incandescent, and are much more
expensive, so I stopped. With the lifespans
I would hope we have better climate prediction technology and methodologies
than those 70s scientists who thought we were in a global cooling phase.
Think: supercomputers, satellites, GIS, etc. Our scientific tools have
come a long way since 1977.
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Gee, that must explain why sattelite photographs show some much less
ice around both
Tom Hargrave wrote:
It's also true that today's temperature changes are tracking lock step with
increased sun spot activity.
Any ham will tell you sun spot activity increases and decreases on a
22-year-cycle. Are you saying there's a similar 22-year cycle of
temperature increases and
cycle.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Tom Hargrave
David Brodbeck wrote:
Any ham will tell you sun spot activity increases and decreases on a
22-year-cycle. Are you saying there's a similar 22-year cycle of
temperature increases and decreases?
I can remember the nature magazines telling us that global cooling
was caused by humans, seems
Mitch Haley wrote:
David Brodbeck wrote:
Any ham will tell you sun spot activity increases and decreases on a
22-year-cycle. Are you saying there's a similar 22-year cycle of
temperature increases and decreases?
I can remember the nature magazines telling us that global cooling
was
the effect is diminishing as more particulate pollution is eliminated.
I guess it's Italian Tune-up time! Vroom vroom vroom! Bring on the soot!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 266K miles, Ursula
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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 6:13 PM
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Gee, that must explain why sattelite photographs show some much less
ice around both poles, eh?
As I remember, the warming of the planet has not been in dispute
Rebut this:
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A3.lrg.gif
L. Mark Finch wrote:
Rebut this:
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical03.jsp
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A3.lrg.gif
Those temperatures were all recorded by lefties and environmental
wackos. I'm sure of it.
Lee
I'll rebut it even though no point has been made. In the case of the
first graph it must be stated that just because two events occur
together and track in a similar fashion does not establish a cause and
effect relationship. It is an interesting and theory that increase
concentrations of Co2 can
: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:43 AM
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I'll rebut it even though no point has been made. In the case of the
first graph it must be stated that just because two events occur
together and track in a similar fashion does
The following is a editorial written a few weeks ago -
And, now I hear AlGore's movie has been nominated for an Academy Award -
I didnt realize they had a catagory for Best Propaganda film by a former
VP.
Anyway - read this for some surprising alternative explanations --
Algore and Kyoto
Well now, that sure is good news. Time to get a V12 W140 and not worry about
oil reserves and all that nonsense since we can build new refineries all
over the country.
And I can't wait for the coal burning utility plants to make a comeback.
Let's geter done!
On 2/5/07, LarryT [EMAIL
Gee, that must explain why sattelite photographs show some much less
ice around both poles, eh?
As I remember, the warming of the planet has not been in dispute by
reputable scientists for going on 30 years now -- there are a few who
insist that temperatures at 50,000 ft aren't going up much,
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