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A supported OS that lasts five years? That would be a solution providing it doesn't have all the pop-ups and other distractions that Windows has. Gerry ~~~ OK Don wrote: > Note - they now have the LTS version: "long-term support – which means > five

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

Note - they now have the LTS version: "long-term support – which means five years of free security and maintenance updates, guaranteed". http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 8:36 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Okay, thanks, I will. I

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

That's interesting. Thanks. I'll try it. After Microsofts new CEO proved that people would buy Windows 10 even though it actively collects whatever information it wants from their computers, it seems like every company in Silicon Valley is doing the same. AVG, the antivirus I've used for years,

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

com" <arche...@embarqmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 > > Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and > Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux? > When I tried to do it a number of years

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

Right! Most people do web, email, photos and video, in that order. This is why the majority of OS "improvements" amount to downgrades of the user experience. That is why I complain about changes just because the programmers could make a change, not because of a good reason. All the

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

t <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 It is easy so long as all you ever need is the builtins:  Fire fox and libre office.  The file manager analog to Winders explorer is not right out there like fire fox and libre office.  So it

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

t;curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 Yes, you can boot from a USB drive and try it before installing it on the PC. On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via M

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

ebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" <arche...@embarqmail.com> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people don't use L

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: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" <arche...@embarqmail.com> > Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 2:13 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 > > Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explana

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Yes, you can boot from a USB drive and try it before installing it on the PC. On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Its mostly not true though. Ubuntu is super easy, try it, you'll like it. > -Curt > > > -- > OK Don *“Travel is fatal to

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If it's your privacy that is at issue, and you don't do anymore than you listed, try TAILS: https://tails.boum.org/ You install it on a USB drive, boot the PC on it, and there you are. All traces are gone when you shut it down, and none (or very few) are left in cyberspace. On Thu, Jun 23, 2016

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ne 24, 2016 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people don't use Linux that I've seen so far. Gerry ~ Curley McLain wrote: > The stumbling block for linux is

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...@embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux? When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so long a

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Curly, Back in the early 90s, there was a window of opportunity to have one OS, Unix, but the arrogance and ego of the Unix "leaders" prevented progress. There were new GUIs such as Looking Glass and others that could have been used. If so, we wouldn't have gone through the IBM and MS messes

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UNIX started long before a GUI was anything other than greenish text on a grayish black screen. The primary reason that so many things need to be done from the command line isn't just age of the OS, though. One of the hardest driven tenants behind UNIX is "small is better." Andrew Tanenbaum said

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Well put, Curly. If someone was to ask me what flavor of Linux to try, I would definitely recommend Ubuntu. It has the best (in my opinion) GUI for a Linux distro and supports well known browsers, for instance. If your needs are basic, you could get through Ubuntu without ever going to the

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Thanks, Curly. That's the best and simplest explanation of why more people don't use Linux that I've seen so far. Gerry ~ Curley McLain wrote: > The stumbling block for linux is that you either have to be all in, or > you get frustrated. By all

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The stumbling block for linux is that you either have to be all in, or you get frustrated. By all in, I mean you have to learn all the unix command line stuff, and a whole new language. Even though some, like ubuntu, for instance, claim that it is all GUI, you don't really even get started

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Why do people, (like me), who are seriously critical of both Apple and Microsoft; not go to some flavor of Linux? When I tried to do it a number of years ago, the learning curve was so long and involved it wasn't worth it to someone who only does emails, searches, and reads online news. Now,

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

Apple has used many processor families over the years: 6502 658C16 68000 family (four generations but not the 68010 or 68060) ARM family (newton, iDevices) PowerPC family (5 generations) Intel family The PPC Apple used was put out by a consortium of Motorola, IBM, and Apple. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

s Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 And M$ only grudgingly supported xp (kicking and screaming) because they knew wizzta was such a screwup and 7 offered nothing and 8 was a screwup. Their big corporate customers

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Motorola 680x0 chips, Then the IBM/Motorola PowerPC 6xx series, before the switch to Intel. Original chips ran to OS 7.6, PPC was OS 8-10.5.8. There was much gnashing of teeth with the introduction of OS X and the Classic environment. Clay This e-mail from Clay Monroe and any attachments

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t: Thursday, June 23, 2016 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 And M$ only grudgingly supported xp (kicking and screaming) because they knew wizzta was such a screwup and 7 offered nothing and 8 was a screwup.  Their big corporate customers would no longer pay M$ for new OS that broke

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

Motorola made the 68000 series of processors (ending with 68040) and the PPC as well as the G3, G4 and G5, which were all the third generation. Curt Raymond via Mercedes June 23, 2016 at 11:25 AM IIRC Motorola made the PPC processors too or was that IBM? Amazing

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

, June 23, 2016 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old... As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under the hood. they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware. Same with Mac OS 10.

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ject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 They used Motorola for the original processors, I believe. There was similar consternation when they went from PPC to Intel as well. Dan > On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Ummm, a

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To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:44 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 > > 2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old... > > As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wiz

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rcedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old... As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the sa

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They used Motorola for the original processors, I believe. There was similar consternation when they went from PPC to Intel as well. Dan > On Jun 23, 2016, at 11:51 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Ummm, are you forgetting the PowerPC taking over for the

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

2010 products are not supported, they are considered “vintage”. Apple’s policies have been this way for many years. And there is nothing to prevent a user from continuing to use them with their native OS. No one said anything about 10 year old machines, that I recall. Dan > On Jun 23,

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2010 products are not supported, they are considered “vintage”. Apple’s policies have been this way for many years. And there is nothing to prevent a user from continuing to use them with their native OS. No one said anything about 10 year old machines, that I recall. Dan > On Jun 23,

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bit flavor. Apple hasn't supported 32 bit hardware for a long time. -Curt From: Curley McLain via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:40 AM Subject

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

2010 machines being dropped are not 10 years old... As for OS, widows 2000, xp, wizzta, 7, 8, and 10 are all the same under the hood. they just put arbitrary blocks to require certain hardware. Same with Mac OS 10. Dan Penoff via Mercedes June 23, 2016 at

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Curly wants a nonprofit entity - such as the government - to nationalize Apple and Google and run these corporations for the People's benefit. On Jun 23, 2016 11:38 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" wrote: I understand, but I also disagree. It takes resources to maintain and

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"Microsoft doesn't arbitrarily force upgrades like Apple" Whattarya smokin?Apfel is now following the billyg track of forcing upgrades. the first time apfel did it was when os 10.something (10.3?, 10.4?) dropped support for non-intel processors, and that IMO was necessary. Curt

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I understand, but I also disagree. It takes resources to maintain and update/upgrade those older browsers. The revenue stream for such things is based on new purchases, so if you continue to put resources in place to maintain stuff that’s 10 years old or older, you dilute the profits for

Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

noff.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12 They already have. To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the newer OSs’, just leave well enough alone.  I do it more for the challenge than anything else.  I can’t say that there are

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Yabbut, both apfel and oogle drop browsers for the older OS's and most of us require a web browser for normal work. The alternatives for 10.5 browsers are unworkable, and 10.6 will soon go that way. I could care less about any downgrades put in place from 10.5 to 10 .12. I'd just like my

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They already have. To be honest, unless you’re looking for some of the features of the newer OSs’, just leave well enough alone. I do it more for the challenge than anything else. I can’t say that there are features in El Cap or Sierra that I care about or need. I recently bought a Mac Pro

[MBZ] OT Mac OS 10.12

Since apfel has decided to go all Billygates and arbitrarily force people to abandon pre-2010 machines with 10.12, does that include i5 and i7 machines? I see they have changed the nomenclature with el crap. Where my mosheen was Macbook pro 8.1 before, now it is called MacBook Pro (13-inch,