[MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or something else? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091 015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Thanks Larry, Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
No you can buy acetone at any paint store or most hardware stores. Allan On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:49 -0400, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or something else? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091 015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
When I was learning to wrench on rusty air-cooled VW's in Wisconsin, Liquid WRENCH didn't seem to work very well (but the blue wrench was a lifesaver). The other trick that worked if you had the clearance was to deeply grove one face of the rusted nut with a cold chisel, grove aligned with stud axis. This was a great way to expand the nut a little and break the rust bond. Thusly one could avoid twisting off the studs holding the muffler to the heads. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:54 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Thanks Larry, Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 5/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so --- On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/af22da18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Do you have any more info on this? It's REALLY interesting, but I'm surprised PB Blaster doesn't do much more than WD-40- so I want to know what their methods are. I love that the cheapest thing on the list actually works the best by far! My experience is that PB Blaster works really well, but needs a very long period of soaking (overnight, or even a week) to work properly. When I take an exhaust manifold off, I'll usually soak it everyday with PB for a week before the job, and the bolts will feel nearly hand tight at the end- when I'm certain the studs would have just broken off without the PB Blaster. Tyler LarryT wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
Since this was supposedly a scientifically rusted environment test, it would be nice to know what the standard deviation is/was in this testing as I'm having a hard time believing that something as useless as Liquid Wrench performed as well as it did. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/18355a2d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair
I am in the process of rebuilding the climate control servo for the wife's '79 300TD. I have 2 servos from which I hope to make one good one. The good upper unit, which houses the gear train has a machine screw sheared off at the surface of the plastic housing. Who knew that about 1/4 of screw threads in the plastic would hold well enough to shear an 8X32 screw (even AFTER soaking with PB Blaster!)? Drilling it out did not seem like a good option because of the softness of the surrounding plastic, nor is the blue wrench usable. Battery acid didn't do much. My next try is a saturated solution of alum with an overnight soak. I have read reports that this will dissolve steel, and I know it won't hurt the plastic. If anyone has an interest, I'll report how it turns out! Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300TD (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics '97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:41 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got the info from another list (MGB) - you saw all I saw. I also wish there were some ASTM testing stadards for something like this but I don't recall any. That doesn't mean much though - I was interested in valves and piping and other stuff used in nuclear submarines. Rust wasn't normally a problem - Wish I knew more - LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so --- On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/af22da18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair
Alum should remove the screw, or at least corrode it enough to get it loose. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
