[MBZ] S500 Mystery Solved

2015-06-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
So the issues finally come to an end, and Im a little put off by my 
stupidity...

Took the car to my trusted indie shop. After two hours of troubleshooting, they 
came back and said the MAF was sketchy and all of the hoses on the top of the 
engine were questionable. Fine. I drive it home and it's still running poorly 
at low RPMs, especially when taking off form a stop. Get above 1500 RPM or 20 
MPH, runs like a top. Hmm.

So I get a rebuilt MAF from MBUSA along with a full set of hoses for the 
topside of the engine.

Put everything on the car yesterday morning (and boy, were those hoses bad!) 
and the car still runs like crap. Dang it!

After my first test drive, I noticed besides the poor low speed operation, the 
left side cat was running hot. With this in mind, I'm thinking maybe I have a 
bad coil on that side of the engine.  So I pull the distributor caps to take a 
look to see if their condition yields any clues

Both caps are full of condensation. Grrr.

I clean both out, button everything up, drive the car. Runs like new.

Granted, the MAF was sketchy and the topside hoses were bad, but I can't help 
but wonder if the condensation wasn't part of the problem as well

What's important is that it's fixed. Lesson learned.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Mystery Solved

2015-06-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Actually, it is normal in this climate.  I found on several occasions where the 
car was parked for 3-4 days (or more) that condensation would sometimes collect 
in the distributor caps, but a good hard drive would burn it out.  This was 
especially common when my son had the car at school, as the parking structure 
he parked the car in was a block from the waters of Tampa Bay. This, coupled 
with the temperature swings and humidity, added to being parked in a shaded 
area on concrete, created condensation on and under the car regularly.

The caps aren’t tightly sealed, and being at the front of the engine and in the 
airflow to some extent don’t get terribly hot compared to the rest of the 
engine compartment.

Numerous references to the same on the W140 Benzworld forums, too. Here is just 
one example of many:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/2300802-distributor-cap-question.html#post11537146

The amount of condensate was very small, but it was enough to affect the spark.

Dan

 
 On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:12 AM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Not solved.  Where did all this moisture come from?  That's
 not normal.  Is the crankcase ventilation plugged up such that
 a little bit of the blowby was coming 'round the shaft?  Did
 you hose down the engine a little too vigorously?  Ford any
 streams?  Buy the car in Florida, 'cheap'?
 
 -- Jim
 


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Re: [MBZ] S500 Mystery Solved

2015-06-14 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

ATTABOY!

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] S500 Mystery Solved


So the issues finally come to an end, and Im a little put off by my 
stupidity...


Took the car to my trusted indie shop. After two hours of troubleshooting, 
they came back and said the MAF was sketchy and all of the hoses on the 
top of the engine were questionable. Fine. I drive it home and it's still 
running poorly at low RPMs, especially when taking off form a stop. Get 
above 1500 RPM or 20 MPH, runs like a top. Hmm.


So I get a rebuilt MAF from MBUSA along with a full set of hoses for the 
topside of the engine.


Put everything on the car yesterday morning (and boy, were those hoses 
bad!) and the car still runs like crap. Dang it!


After my first test drive, I noticed besides the poor low speed operation, 
the left side cat was running hot. With this in mind, I'm thinking maybe I 
have a bad coil on that side of the engine.  So I pull the distributor 
caps to take a look to see if their condition yields any clues


Both caps are full of condensation. Grrr.

I clean both out, button everything up, drive the car. Runs like new.

Granted, the MAF was sketchy and the topside hoses were bad, but I can't 
help but wonder if the condensation wasn't part of the problem as well


What's important is that it's fixed. Lesson learned.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] S500 Mystery Solved

2015-06-14 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Not solved.  Where did all this moisture come from?  That's
not normal.  Is the crankcase ventilation plugged up such that
a little bit of the blowby was coming 'round the shaft?  Did
you hose down the engine a little too vigorously?  Ford any
streams?  Buy the car in Florida, 'cheap'?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] S500 Mystery Solved

2015-06-14 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Is that one of the reasons why Poos normally recommends the 1996-1999 cars with 
coils on plugs?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] S500 Mystery Solved

2015-06-14 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Absolutely. Stupid simple to work on, maintain or repair.

Dan


 On Jun 14, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 Is that one of the reasons why Poos normally recommends the 1996-1999 cars 
 with coils on plugs?
 
 Mitch.
 
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