Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal
Windows, seats, etc., were all hydraulic on the Grosser. No vacuum or electrics. Dan On Jan 2, 2014, at 4:34 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: I seem to remember a 600 LWB sitting at a local indies. It needed a hydraulic master control unit for the drivers door which either raised and lowered the windows or operated the locks; I think it was for the windows, and the reason it was hydraulic was because the conventional system made a noise! The delay in repairing it was because the owner was trying to decide if he wanted to spend $2600.00 for the master control unit which was quite small. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:38:45 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Windows, seats, etc., were all hydraulic on the Grosser. No vacuum or electrics. Interesting. What about the ever-present oozing that hydraulic systems tend to do? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:38:45 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Windows, seats, etc., were all hydraulic on the Grosser. No vacuum or electrics. Interesting. What about the ever-present oozing that hydraulic systems tend to do? Heh. I've wondered about that too. Seems like any example in less-than-perfect shape would constantly stink of hydraulic fluid inside and out. All it takes is one bad fitting in the interior and you would have a heck of a cleanup job on the leather and carpets. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Since you have to be an investment banker, despotic leader of a third world nation, or an Arab oil sheik to own one if these, you pay someone to maintain that oozing. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:38:45 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Windows, seats, etc., were all hydraulic on the Grosser. No vacuum or electrics. Interesting. What about the ever-present oozing that hydraulic systems tend to do? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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MB uses a mineral based hydraulic oil that is pretty much odorless. Same thing in my SL500 top hydraulics as in the 600. Tastes nasty, though. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:38:45 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Windows, seats, etc., were all hydraulic on the Grosser. No vacuum or electrics. Interesting. What about the ever-present oozing that hydraulic systems tend to do? Heh. I've wondered about that too. Seems like any example in less-than-perfect shape would constantly stink of hydraulic fluid inside and out. All it takes is one bad fitting in the interior and you would have a heck of a cleanup job on the leather and carpets. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's so you don't mistake it for Stolichnaya. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: MB uses a mineral based hydraulic oil that is pretty much odorless. Same thing in my SL500 top hydraulics as in the 600. Tastes nasty, though. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:38:45 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Windows, seats, etc., were all hydraulic on the Grosser. No vacuum or electrics. Interesting. What about the ever-present oozing that hydraulic systems tend to do? Heh. I've wondered about that too. Seems like any example in less-than-perfect shape would constantly stink of hydraulic fluid inside and out. All it takes is one bad fitting in the interior and you would have a heck of a cleanup job on the leather and carpets. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal
First SL500 I looked at had a clear fluid dripping from the right rear fender cavity drain. Hmm. Touch and rub it between fingers. Not greasy or oily. Hmm. Taste. Yuck! That's when I learned that one f the giveaways for certain top hydraulic cylinders leaking is drips out the body drains Dan On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's so you don't mistake it for Stolichnaya. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: MB uses a mineral based hydraulic oil that is pretty much odorless. Same thing in my SL500 top hydraulics as in the 600. Tastes nasty, though. Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:06:57 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Since you have to be an investment banker, despotic leader of a third world nation, or an Arab oil sheik to own one if these, you pay someone to maintain that oozing. I guess that leaves me out :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pretty much leaves all of us out... If you're lucky maybe some day you'll learn the secretive M100 handshake. Dan On Jan 3, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:06:57 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Since you have to be an investment banker, despotic leader of a third world nation, or an Arab oil sheik to own one if these, you pay someone to maintain that oozing. I guess that leaves me out :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:55:54 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Pretty much leaves all of us out... If you're lucky maybe some day you'll learn the secretive M100 handshake. I'm not holding my breath. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When we meet in person I'll show you. Dan On Jan 3, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:55:54 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Pretty much leaves all of us out... If you're lucky maybe some day you'll learn the secretive M100 handshake. I'm not holding my breath. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 03/01/2014 2:49 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:06:57 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Since you have to be an investment banker, despotic leader of a third world nation, or an Arab oil sheik to own one if these, you pay someone to maintain that oozing. I guess that leaves me out :-) Craig And if they fail to prevent the oozing, then you just yell off with their head and someone else gets the job. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know about that having owned a m100 in the past Sent from my iPhone On Jan 3, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Pretty much leaves all of us out... If you're lucky maybe some day you'll learn the secretive M100 handshake. Dan On Jan 3, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:06:57 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Since you have to be an investment banker, despotic leader of a third world nation, or an Arab oil sheik to own one if these, you pay someone to maintain that oozing. I guess that leaves me out :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 16:17:29 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: When we meet in person I'll show you. OK. Craig On Jan 3, 2014, at 4:04 PM, Craig wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:55:54 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Pretty much leaves all of us out... If you're lucky maybe some day you'll learn the secretive M100 handshake. I'm not holding my breath. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 124 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (diesel leak fixed, I think) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:52:38 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: And if they fail to prevent the oozing, then you just yell off with their head and someone else gets the job. An interesting incentive for one's mechanic! Unfortunately, not very enforceable in this day and age. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:52:38 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: And if they fail to prevent the oozing, then you just yell off with their head and someone else gets the job. An interesting incentive for one's mechanic! Unfortunately, not very enforceable in this day and age. :-) That depends on where you live, I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia http://io9.com/5910629/the-practice-of-beheading-is-alive-and-well-today Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan Penoff wrote: If you're lucky maybe some day you'll learn the secretive M100 handshake. Craig wrote: I'm not holding my breath. I understand it to be a handshake with a $100 bill in your palm. Or is it $1,000. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Shhh!! And it's a $100 bill (only because $1000s are no longer in general circulation.) Dan who has given and received the M100 handshake On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Fmiser wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: If you're lucky maybe some day you'll learn the secretive M100 handshake. Craig wrote: I'm not holding my breath. I understand it to be a handshake with a $100 bill in your palm. Or is it $1,000. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:52:38 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: And if they fail to prevent the oozing, then you just yell off with their head and someone else gets the job. An interesting incentive for one's mechanic! Unfortunately, not very enforceable in this day and age. :-) That depends on where you live, I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia http://io9.com/5910629/the-practice-of-beheading-is-alive-and-well-today Rick Sent from my iPhone Yes, this is not a pretty world. In many countries, someone with a 600 could easily end the life of a mechanic (or anybody else) with little or no consequence. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Apparently, being fed to dogs is the preferred method in N. Korea now -- http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/03/newser-kim-jong-un-uncle-execution/4303319/ To quote an old friend, Never tempt worse. On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:21 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 03 Jan 2014 15:52:38 -0600 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: And if they fail to prevent the oozing, then you just yell off with their head and someone else gets the job. An interesting incentive for one's mechanic! Unfortunately, not very enforceable in this day and age. :-) That depends on where you live, I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia http://io9.com/5910629/the-practice-of-beheading-is-alive-and-well-today Rick Sent from my iPhone Yes, this is not a pretty world. In many countries, someone with a 600 could easily end the life of a mechanic (or anybody else) with little or no consequence. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I seem to remember a 600 LWB sitting at a local indies. It needed a hydraulic master control unit for the drivers door which either raised and lowered the windows or operated the locks; I think it was for the windows, and the reason it was hydraulic was because the conventional system made a noise! The delay in repairing it was because the owner was trying to decide if he wanted to spend $2600.00 for the master control unit which was quite small. Gerry On 12/30/2013 5:29 PM, clay wrote: Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser. Door locks, closing assist, ACC, ESP, Air ride, magic windows, heated seats, moving rear seats, rear seat business tech upgrades, and the over engineered engine with biodegrading wire. All in a shell that looks the same as any other W140 on the road, unless it is LWB. Even then it looks much the same. I posit the w126 will be held in much higher esteem than a w140 as collectable in future. The SEC and SEL were built much better, with higher quality systems. Far fewer computers to go wonky, and still put together by well trained German employees. clay On Dec 30, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Dieselhead wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. They're both money pits, but I'd rather have the Phaeton--it's rare enough to be a future classic. Gotta have the W-12 if you're going to bother, though. Alex S600 is not common and will be collectible I could not find any location in the stupid fleabay ad so I asked the guy where it is. Santa Monica, Calif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S600 eBay Deal VW phathetic
Yeah one of those, why bother type things. Far as I (well wikipedia) knows, VW already had vehicles in the luxury bracket, such as the Audi A8 and Bentley. I think the would have been better off to put money into the Bentley brand to build it up to be a competitor to BMW and MB. Or build Audi into a more fancy brand, trying to get a third horse in the race is a waste of resources. You're quite right that VW is seen as a value for money brand and trying to be everything for everybody can soon leave you as being nothing to nobody. Hendrik who has never owned a VW On 31/12/13 14:06, Dieselhead wrote: What the? is VW thinking, trying to make a fattylac? GM screwed them up plenty already. No wonder Vdubs are a POS anymore. They are supposed to be simple, folks cars, easy to work on, cheap to buy, cheap to own, cheap to operate, cheap to fix. That is part of why bugs were so popular. The other part was because they dared to be different, had great advertising by DDB, emphasizing the differences, and they were so homely they were cute. It was the only thing to do after the mule died Think small I have a bunch of those ads I saved from my desk surroundings in college, along with toaster tank BMW ads and the MB 108 ad that was also brilliant. some people think buying a house is the most important investment they will ever make A VW fattylac deserves to be a resounding flop. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ahh you be wanting the V10 for extra giddy up and go. Hendrik who does not own a V10 On 31/12/13 15:00, Mitch Haley wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: I remember when they came out, but I have no interest in them so I never paid any attention. Well, maybe if they had a TDI version in this country, or if somebody wanted to give me a Phaeton with an unhappy engine and a Toerag TDI that some fool rolled at freeway speeds in the snow... Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What's so special about a VW Phaeton? Don't think I've ever seen one in person. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 29, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 29, 2013 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. They're both money pits, but I'd rather have the Phaeton--it's rare enough to be a future classic. Gotta have the W-12 if you're going to bother, though. Alex S600 is not common and will be collectible I could not find any location in the stupid fleabay ad so I asked the guy where it is. Santa Monica, Calif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser. Door locks, closing assist, ACC, ESP, Air ride, magic windows, heated seats, moving rear seats, rear seat business tech upgrades, and the over engineered engine with biodegrading wire. All in a shell that looks the same as any other W140 on the road, unless it is LWB. Even then it looks much the same. I posit the w126 will be held in much higher esteem than a w140 as collectable in future. The SEC and SEL were built much better, with higher quality systems. Far fewer computers to go wonky, and still put together by well trained German employees. clay On Dec 30, 2013, at 6:35 AM, Dieselhead wrote: On Dec 29, 2013 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. They're both money pits, but I'd rather have the Phaeton--it's rare enough to be a future classic. Gotta have the W-12 if you're going to bother, though. Alex S600 is not common and will be collectible I could not find any location in the stupid fleabay ad so I asked the guy where it is. Santa Monica, Calif ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser. Door locks, closing assist, ACC, ESP, Air ride, magic windows, heated seats, moving rear seats, rear seat business tech upgrades, and the over engineered engine with biodegrading wire. All in a shell that looks the same as any other W140 on the road, unless it is LWB. Even then it looks much the same. I posit the w126 will be held in much higher esteem than a w140 as collectable in future. The SEC and SEL were built much better, with higher quality systems. Far fewer computers to go wonky, and still put together by well trained German employees. clay Singin to the choir my friend. 126 and the 600 Grosser represent the postwar epitome of MB engineering of their eras. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would consider the W126 chassis car the pinnacle of MB engineering. I loved my 300SD. Dan On Dec 30, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Based on the M100 level of tech, the W140 is a technical disaster with massive economic impact to a future owner. The S600 is twice as complex as the standard model, as it would be loaded with bells, whistles and subsystems that can not be hand crafted in the manner one could with a Grosser. Door locks, closing assist, ACC, ESP, Air ride, magic windows, heated seats, moving rear seats, rear seat business tech upgrades, and the over engineered engine with biodegrading wire. All in a shell that looks the same as any other W140 on the road, unless it is LWB. Even then it looks much the same. I posit the w126 will be held in much higher esteem than a w140 as collectable in future. The SEC and SEL were built much better, with higher quality systems. Far fewer computers to go wonky, and still put together by well trained German employees. clay Singin to the choir my friend. 126 and the 600 Grosser represent the postwar epitome of MB engineering of their eras. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton? You're kidding, right? Every car guy has to know about the Phaeton. It's VWAG's W140 combined with the original BMW 750iL, only more so. Massively overengineered, poorly marketed in the US, a sales flop, and incredibly cheap on the used market but a total money pit unless you can DIY and buy parts at wholesale. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton? You're kidding, right? Every car guy has to know about the Phaeton. It's VWAG's W140 combined with the original BMW 750iL, only more so. Massively overengineered, poorly marketed in the US, a sales flop, and incredibly cheap on the used market but a total money pit unless you can DIY and buy parts at wholesale. Alex ___ What the? is VW thinking, trying to make a fattylac? GM screwed them up plenty already. No wonder Vdubs are a POS anymore. They are supposed to be simple, folks cars, easy to work on, cheap to buy, cheap to own, cheap to operate, cheap to fix. That is part of why bugs were so popular. The other part was because they dared to be different, had great advertising by DDB, emphasizing the differences, and they were so homely they were cute. It was the only thing to do after the mule died Think small I have a bunch of those ads I saved from my desk surroundings in college, along with toaster tank BMW ads and the MB 108 ad that was also brilliant. some people think buying a house is the most important investment they will ever make A VW fattylac deserves to be a resounding flop. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I remember when they came out, but I have no interest in them so I never paid any attention. Sent from my iPad On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:36 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:51 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What's so special about a VW Phaeton? You're kidding, right? Every car guy has to know about the Phaeton. It's VWAG's W140 combined with the original BMW 750iL, only more so. Massively overengineered, poorly marketed in the US, a sales flop, and incredibly cheap on the used market but a total money pit unless you can DIY and buy parts at wholesale. Alex ___ What the? is VW thinking, trying to make a fattylac? GM screwed them up plenty already. No wonder Vdubs are a POS anymore. They are supposed to be simple, folks cars, easy to work on, cheap to buy, cheap to own, cheap to operate, cheap to fix. That is part of why bugs were so popular. The other part was because they dared to be different, had great advertising by DDB, emphasizing the differences, and they were so homely they were cute. It was the only thing to do after the mule died Think small I have a bunch of those ads I saved from my desk surroundings in college, along with toaster tank BMW ads and the MB 108 ad that was also brilliant. some people think buying a house is the most important investment they will ever make A VW fattylac deserves to be a resounding flop. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan Penoff wrote: I remember when they came out, but I have no interest in them so I never paid any attention. Well, maybe if they had a TDI version in this country, or if somebody wanted to give me a Phaeton with an unhappy engine and a Toerag TDI that some fool rolled at freeway speeds in the snow... Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For the price it's not bad the engine is worth it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-S-Class-Base-Sedan-4-Door-1999-mercedes-benz-s-600-base-sedan-4-door-6-0-l-good-/350964744018?forcerrptr=truehash=item51b720ff52item=350964744018pt=US_Cars_Trucks Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 29, 2013 6:54 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: For comparison, there are 6 VW Phaetons on eBay right now, all are V8s, and only one has a current bid less than the buy it now on the S600. They're both money pits, but I'd rather have the Phaeton--it's rare enough to be a future classic. Gotta have the W-12 if you're going to bother, though. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
