Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers
Allan Streib wrote: When we sold our first house with a realtor we saw him when we signed the listing agreement and not again until he stopped by at the closing to pick up his check. He did nothing that I could tell to market the house beyond entering it into the MLS, which is really the only thing you can't do as a FSBO. There are realtors like that. I have three answers: 1) If that's good enough, there are services which charge you a flat fee ($150-500) to put your listing on MLS. Unfortunately, the two in my area charge $300-400 PLUS a percentage of the final deal. They do provide you with signs, brochure tube, and a certain number of printed brochures. It's wanting a commission for admittedly doing no work that kills the deal for me. 2) Interview three listing agents, and check their references. Not 100%, but it helps. 3) Never, ever, sign a listing over 90 days. Let them know that if you think they are doing their job, you will renew until sold. Getting locked in with a loser for 90 days is plenty bad enough, 180 days will leave you tearing your hair out. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: When we sold our first house with a realtor we saw him when we signed the listing agreement and not again until he stopped by at the closing to pick up his check. He did nothing that I could tell to market the house beyond entering it into the MLS, which is really the only thing you can't do as a FSBO. There are realtors like that. I have three answers: 1) If that's good enough, there are services which charge you a flat fee ($150-500) to put your listing on MLS. Unfortunately, the two in my area charge $300-400 PLUS a percentage of the final deal. They do provide you with signs, brochure tube, and a certain number of printed brochures. It's wanting a commission for admittedly doing no work that kills the deal for me. You will be wasting your money doing that. Its 99% sure no realtors will show your house because they are not getting paid. Would you want to work for free? 2) Interview three listing agents, and check their references. Not 100%, but it helps. Yes, good idea 3) Never, ever, sign a listing over 90 days. Let them know that if you think they are doing their job, you will renew until sold. Getting locked in with a loser for 90 days is plenty bad enough, 180 days will leave you tearing your hair out. Thats fine as well, but if the realtor really is not doing their job, you CAN have them release the listing (not withdraw), or call their broker. 99% of the time they will release it Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is no such thing as a buyers agent. And if you don't believe this then follow the cash. All realtors get paid out of the house sale. In other words, all realtors get paid by the seller. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09/07/07 12:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:55:16 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no such thing as a buyers agent. And if you don't believe this then follow the cash. All realtors get paid out of the house sale. In other words, all realtors get paid by the seller. Not so. If the buyer doesn't put the money down, there is no sale and no realtor getting paid by the seller, which means the buyer is the one who is really funding the transaction. In addition, there is nothing to preclude you from offering your own incentive to have your realtor on your side. Hence, a buyers agent. Also, states have started passing statute law creating buyer's agency. There are even a Real Estate BUYER'S AGENT Council and a National Association of Exclusive Buyer Agents. See: http://homebuying.about.com/od/buyingahome/qt/071907-buyagt.htm http://homebuying.about.com/library/glossary/bldef5.htm?iam=metaresultsterms=buyer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer's_agent http://www.rebac.net/Content.aspx?PageName=whyuseABR.htm The Real Estate BUYER'S AGENT Council, REBAC, was founded in 1988 to promote superior buyer representation skills and services. An affiliate of the National Association of REALTORS since 1996, REBAC's membership now numbers well over 40,000 and is the worlds largest organization of real estate professionals concentrating on buyer representation. Members who meet all course and professional experiential requirements are awarded the ABR (Accredited Buyers Representative) and/or ABRMsm (Accredited Buyers Representative Manager) designation(s). Both are the only designations of their type recognized by NAR. The ABR designation is geared towards agents who wish to enhance their buyer representation skills, and provides proof to prospective buyer-clients of their proficiency at servicing the special needs of buyers. The ABRMsm designation, on the other hand, is intended for owners, brokers and managers who have or intend to incorporate buyer representation into their company's service offerings. http://www.buyersagent.net/ http://www.buyer-agent.net/ http://www.forbuyers.com/ http://www.naeba.org/ National Association of Exclusive Buyer Agents http://www.ourfamilyplace.com/homebuyer/buyeragent.html http://money.howstuffworks.com/house-buying11.htm and many, many more on: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=buyer%27s+agentbtnG=Google+Search and http://www.goodsearch.com/Search.aspx?Keywords=buyer's+agent Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the point is the agent gets paid out of the proceeds of the sale. If the sale does not close, he doesn't get paid. So the agent is really in a bit of a conflict of interest position, he wants the deal to close which can be in conflict with protecting the interests of the buyer OR the seller, depending. That's why you need a real-estate attorney that YOU hire if you really want someone representing YOUR interests in the transaction. Allan Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:55:16 -0500 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no such thing as a buyers agent. And if you don't believe this then follow the cash. All realtors get paid out of the house sale. In other words, all realtors get paid by the seller. Not so. If the buyer doesn't put the money down, there is no sale and no realtor getting paid by the seller, which means the buyer is the one who is really funding the transaction. In addition, there is nothing to preclude you from offering your own incentive to have your realtor on your side. Hence, a buyers agent. Also, states have started passing statute law creating buyer's agency. There are even a Real Estate BUYER'S AGENT Council and a National Association of Exclusive Buyer Agents. See: http://homebuying.about.com/od/buyingahome/qt/071907-buyagt.htm http://homebuying.about.com/library/glossary/bldef5.htm?iam=metaresultsterms=buyer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer's_agent http://www.rebac.net/Content.aspx?PageName=whyuseABR.htm The Real Estate BUYER'S AGENT Council, REBAC, was founded in 1988 to promote superior buyer representation skills and services. An affiliate of the National Association of REALTORS since 1996, REBAC's membership now numbers well over 40,000 and is the worlds largest organization of real estate professionals concentrating on buyer representation. Members who meet all course and professional experiential requirements are awarded the ABR (Accredited Buyers Representative) and/or ABRMsm (Accredited Buyers Representative Manager) designation(s). Both are the only designations of their type recognized by NAR. The ABR designation is geared towards agents who wish to enhance their buyer representation skills, and provides proof to prospective buyer-clients of their proficiency at servicing the special needs of buyers. The ABRMsm designation, on the other hand, is intended for owners, brokers and managers who have or intend to incorporate buyer representation into their company's service offerings. http://www.buyersagent.net/ http://www.buyer-agent.net/ http://www.forbuyers.com/ http://www.naeba.org/ National Association of Exclusive Buyer Agents http://www.ourfamilyplace.com/homebuyer/buyeragent.html http://money.howstuffworks.com/house-buying11.htm and many, many more on: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=buyer%27s+agentbtnG=Google+Search and http://www.goodsearch.com/Search.aspx?Keywords=buyer's+agent Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:54:38 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the point is the agent gets paid out of the proceeds of the sale. If the sale does not close, he doesn't get paid. So the agent is really in a bit of a conflict of interest position, he wants the deal to close which can be in conflict with protecting the interests of the buyer OR the seller, depending. That's why you need a real-estate attorney that YOU hire if you really want someone representing YOUR interests in the transaction. Yes, good point. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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After the cluster that was our first home purchase, we have always engaged the services of a real estate attorney in every real estate transaction we have conducted. This is whether we're buying or selling, using an agent or working on our own. The fees are a pittance compared to the total cost, and just the presence of an attorney in the transaction seems to keep things more on the up-and-up, not to mention the ability of an attorney to resolve what might be otherwise dealbreaking situations. As for agents, well, a friend of mine is an agent in the Reno area that deals in higher end homes. I just spoke with her last week and she was telling me about how a lot of agents are trying to gift listings to others. That is, they've had a listing for so long they can't move it, so they gift it to a fellow agent. This is a way to screw someone, as according to her she's in to a $1M sale at least $5k right out the door for the costs she incurs to begin the marketing. Because of this and the crappy real estate market (especially in the higher end properties) she has been turning down listings of late when she feels the sellers have unrealistic expectations of what the property is worth, or that the market won't support the value of the property. Dan --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:54:38 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the point is the agent gets paid out of the proceeds of the sale. If the sale does not close, he doesn't get paid. So the agent is really in a bit of a conflict of interest position, he wants the deal to close which can be in conflict with protecting the interests of the buyer OR the seller, depending. That's why you need a real-estate attorney that YOU hire if you really want someone representing YOUR interests in the transaction. Yes, good point. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In OK, we are one of the few states left that are abstract states, meaning the they have to pull the abstract up to day which is done my an attorney. You get title insurance from that attorney which protects you if something fishy goes on. Besides that, if you have a good realtor they will make sure you do not get screwed on anything else. Not all are looking out for their buyer (or seller), but the good ones do. LWB250 wrote: After the cluster that was our first home purchase, we have always engaged the services of a real estate attorney in every real estate transaction we have conducted. This is whether we're buying or selling, using an agent or working on our own. The fees are a pittance compared to the total cost, and just the presence of an attorney in the transaction seems to keep things more on the up-and-up, not to mention the ability of an attorney to resolve what might be otherwise dealbreaking situations. As for agents, well, a friend of mine is an agent in the Reno area that deals in higher end homes. I just spoke with her last week and she was telling me about how a lot of agents are trying to gift listings to others. That is, they've had a listing for so long they can't move it, so they gift it to a fellow agent. This is a way to screw someone, as according to her she's in to a $1M sale at least $5k right out the door for the costs she incurs to begin the marketing. Because of this and the crappy real estate market (especially in the higher end properties) she has been turning down listings of late when she feels the sellers have unrealistic expectations of what the property is worth, or that the market won't support the value of the property. Dan --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:54:38 -0400 Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the point is the agent gets paid out of the proceeds of the sale. If the sale does not close, he doesn't get paid. So the agent is really in a bit of a conflict of interest position, he wants the deal to close which can be in conflict with protecting the interests of the buyer OR the seller, depending. That's why you need a real-estate attorney that YOU hire if you really want someone representing YOUR interests in the transaction. Yes, good point. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sat, 08 Sep 2007 07:02:15 -0400 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Allan Streib wrote: When we sold our first house with a realtor we saw him when we signed the listing agreement and not again until he stopped by at the closing to pick up his check. He did nothing that I could tell to market the house beyond entering it into the MLS, which is really the only thing you can't do as a FSBO. Mitch wrote There are realtors like that. I have three answers: 1) If that's good enough, there are services which charge you a flat fee ($150-500) to put your listing on MLS. Unfortunately, the two in my area charge $300-400 PLUS a percentage of the final deal. They do provide you with signs, brochure tube, and a certain number of printed brochures. It's wanting a commission for admittedly doing no work that kills the deal for me. 2) Interview three listing agents, and check their references. Not 100%, but it helps. 3) Never, ever, sign a listing over 90 days. Let them know that if you think they are doing their job, you will renew until sold. Getting locked in with a loser for 90 days is plenty bad enough, 180 days will leave you tearing your hair out. Mitch. Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] sez this: A realtor at mininum knows the way through the process and what it takes to make it go at every point. That can be worth a lot. They also can be the prospective buyer's eyes and ears searching, looking, and listening for the right property to come on the marker. That can also be worth a lot. For sellers, they know or should know the market. That is also worth a lot. There are good hard working ones, lazy ones, incompetent ones, crooked ones, and good lucky ones. Most are trying to make a living without getting their hands dirty or slaving away all day every day at some drone job. They live by their wits. Some do very well indeed; some get by and that's about all. The best ones stick with it and prosper in almost all cases. The first homestead house I bought I made a handshake deal with the owner; no realtor was involved, only two lawyers who each and collectively did almost nothing. There was no title insurance policy, no closing and no settling of accounts. When I called one of the lawyers to ask about my excess earnest money, he feigned ignorance. It cost me about $1,000 to learn in that case. I later got a a realtor to find and help me buy a rent house. We searched for several months before finding the right location, price, and terms. She and I looked at OMG how many houses. Her rate of pay was sub-minimum wage on that deal. When I sold the first homestead house, I listed it with that same realtor, who had a prospect waiting in the wings to buy the house I wanted to sell. It took maybe a week to make a deal. Her rate of pay was very high on that deal. The second homestead house was searched for like the rent house. We wanted features, space, and most important a good assumable note. Interest rates on home mortgages were about 15% then. We earlier actually applied for a mortgage that would have been 17% on the perfect house, which mercifully fell through. We would have had to get paper routes to help pay that note. Work about 12-14 hr/day. How long would that have lasted? Dunno. That owner did not really want to sell, but only wanted to find out what people would pay for the house. On the second homestead house, our first offer was shot down by a better (on its face) offer, which, unbeknownst to us, was not real, but only a way to get occupancy of the house by a mob of people coming from another state where there was a worse recession. Six months later the owner, who did not have a high reading on the clue meter, figured out what was going on, and kicked out the occupants, who were only renting. The realtor was on the phone soon, telling me that house was back on the market. This time we got it and its beautiful 10.5% assumable mortgage. The realtor's rate of pay was OK but not outstanding on that deal. We saved roughly $4.8K a year in interest because we assumed the existing note instead of making a new one. For a while I had two house notes and a bridge note. I had a super banker too. I still own that house, having paid it off in the 1990's. I learned enough to help my son through a buying experience in the late 1990's and saved about $5K for him without considering how much the sellers left lying on the table - which a good realtor could have got for them. But their heads (actually, the wife's head; the poor husband was big time henpecked) were too hard to see if they could be helped by a realtor. Dealing with a good realtor has undoubtedly saved me tens of thousands of dollars over the years. Dealing with a bad one? You don't want to go there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts
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Sort of. Essentially, the current listing agent has already thrown in the towel and written off their expenses, knowing full well and good that the seller is either being unreasonable or has unrealistic expectation of their home's value in the current market. That means you take the listing, toss your $$ into it, with the likelihood of success being nearly nil. If you're really hungry or just want to have a boatload of high profile listings (remember, this is a very competitive business and visibility is important) you might take it. This is not something people who expect to work together again in the future would do to each other. It's more like handing a bag full of crap that looks really nice on the outside to a competitor and hoping you're not there when they open it. She says that she has walked from a number of listings of late, mainly because the sellers refused to acknowledge the market and won't move their price into a realistic range based on what (little) is selling. She also said their have been some potential sellers she has told that they should not sell unless they are willing to take a hit. Dan --- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would seem that the one that would be screwed would be the agent who is giving the listing away, so one, in effect, is screwing one's self. Or am I misunderstanding things? Craig Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LWB250 wrote: She says that she has walked from a number of listings of late, mainly because the sellers refused to acknowledge the market and won't move their price into a realistic range based on what (little) is selling. She also said their have been some potential sellers she has told that they should not sell unless they are willing to take a hit. Or maybe the seller knows that they can't afford to sell for more than $ below loan payoff. A lot of sellers are just stuck. Even states like CA that prohibit the lender from going after the owner on purchase money foreclosure deficiencies let the deficiencies stand on refi foreclosures. Most of the ones that are underwater and can't make the payments have refi'd already, so they just keep struggling along with the house listed at breakeven until they can't stave off foreclosure any longer. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:02:32 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... she was telling me about how a lot of agents are trying to gift listings to others. That is, they've had a listing for so long they can't move it, so they gift it to a fellow agent. This is a way to screw someone, as according to her she's in to a $1M sale at least $5k right out the door for the costs she incurs to begin the marketing. It would seem that the one that would be screwed would be the agent who is giving the listing away, so one, in effect, is screwing one's self. Or am I misunderstanding things? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Hendrik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Yes the real estate agent should have made him aware that the farmer uses chemicals to treat his crops. Then the purchaser could have made a informed decision. Then again, just about everyone knows that Farmers spray chemicals and if you buy a property next to a farm you have to put up with it unless the Framer uses non approved chemicals or uses them in an illegal manner. The use of pesticides is strictly controlled by the law but the Farmer is entitled to farm according to best industry practice. Tom Hargrave wrote: Or around here, someone (actually a friend) who purchased a nice house in a neighborhood that surrounded by cotton fields, only to discover that the chemicals sprayed on the cotton are complicating his Son's athsma. He's already complained to the farmer and passed a petition around the neighborhood to no avail. Now he has contacted a Lawyer wants to sue. So, he's going to hire a lawyer and force the farmer to hire a lawyer to defend himseld. My friend will probably go no-where with this but he will cost the farmer a lot of money time before it's done. See a problem with this? Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 9/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Hmm. I just bought three acres in the boonies (rural Columbia County, Oregon for those who care) and made my offer contingent on the results of an investigation of the neighboring properties. Then my agent called the county records office and got info on zoning, land-use permits, recent applications for permits and zoning changes, etc. (Found out my neighbors are forbidden either to subdivide or log. They could farm, but don't. One neighbor has a lot of livestock, but he's downwind most of the time. I kind of like the smell of cow patties drying in the sun, anyway.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Howdy - I'm no expert, but I suspect it's all about lawsuits. If a neighbor with problems finds out a RE agent is badmouthing him, I'd bet a lawyer would be knocking on his door in hopes of making a few $$s. It's hard to say things about people - public records are one thing - if you tell a potential buyer the neighbors are all serving long prison terms, since it's public record there's little to be done. But making comments based on innuendo, gossip and such will only get you in trouble.And, sometimes it's hard to seperate the truth from fiction. Some states have strict guidelones about what a REA can and cannot say. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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i have what you might call serious issues of credit and employment that made it difficult for me to get financing, especially as i wanted to buy two houses near each other. one of our customer's dad specializes in getting minority loans and assured me that none of this is any issue at all as long as dad got a large sum of money at the end of the deal as banks are desperate to right loans to minorities and dad could just bundle me in with them. (sort of goes contrary to what we are told on tv, but that is a topic for another time) anyway, i met with his dad and we chatted and got along great and he agreed to get me the money even though i'm a white guy because his main interest in color is in the color of green anyway. and then he dumps on me, his new buddy, that his daughter happens to be a real estate agent and i should hire her to represent me. i figure this can't be too good, so i come up with any excuse off the top of my head (can't afford it, really would rather work alone, etc) but he kept on it and i really wasn't in a position to leave him not loving me, so i took up his offer. based on my contact with her and the seller's agent, i can say that i won't ever go near a real estate agent again. only people i've ever encountered who are sleazier and more dishonest are lawyers. used car salesmen are worlds better. buyer's agent -- yeah, right! the only person i had looking after my interests at all was my insane home inspector and that was for $350 an afternoon. other than that, i was completely on my own with everyone trying to spin my head every which way. On 9/7/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. No offense to any real estate agents out there, but in my experience I've found them to be pretty useless when it comes to buying or selling a house. The last time we moved we did both the sale and the new purchase as FSBO and we came out way ahead and much happier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. No offense to any real estate agents out there, but in my experience I've found them to be pretty useless when it comes to buying or selling a house. The last time we moved we did both the sale and the new purchase as FSBO and we came out way ahead and much happier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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let me clarify, around here, there really are no buyers agents. There are agents that sell somebody a house who may or may not have it listed themselves, but they are most of the time a transaction broker, which means they are working for the good of the transaction. In any case, the realtor cant tell a buyer hey watch out, there is a crack house next door. It IS the job of the realtor at the buyers request to research zoning and things like that though. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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there is no such thing, dude. only agent's agents On 9/7/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hmm. I just bought three acres in the boonies and made my offer contingent on the results of an investigation of the neighboring properties. I did my investigating first, then made a low-ball offer direct to the listing agent with no contingencies. My thought was that the listing agent would like to get the whole commission, and it would put him on my side. Wrong, the sellers had to pick the one realtor who knew what fiduciary duty meant. He tried to talk them into waiting for a full price offer. Fortunately, the sellers wanted my cash, and the fact that I was willing to close next week got me the deal, slightly above my offer. Looking back at it, there were some parts of the deal that would have been smoother if I had a buyer's agent, and I had some clients who would have liked to pick up half of the commission. The realtor may have been wrong in his advice, the lot next door is still for sale 6 months later. It's smaller, much less frontage (150' vs 740'), and the same price mine was listed for. I'd love for the lot next door to stay vacant, but that's just wishful thinking. When it comes to crop spraying, the part that bothers me is when I'm cycling down the road and somebody is spraying upwind. In a car, I can shut off the vents, hold my breath, and then air out the car a mile later before I start breathing (and then wash the car ASAP to avoid paint damage). On a bike, it's hard to hold my breath for 30 seconds, and that doesn't get me far at 15-20mph. Never lived where spraying was a problem, but the last house we built for my parents was within 300 yards of a hog barn. The neighbor no longer raises hogs, but I can't imagine complaining if he started again. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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exactly --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:47:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Even if it's a buyer's agent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yea, its best to not deal with the listing agent, although they like it because they get more commission. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Alex Chamberlain wrote: Hmm. I just bought three acres in the boonies and made my offer contingent on the results of an investigation of the neighboring properties. I did my investigating first, then made a low-ball offer direct to the listing agent with no contingencies. My thought was that the listing agent would like to get the whole commission, and it would put him on my side. Wrong, the sellers had to pick the one realtor who knew what fiduciary duty meant. He tried to talk them into waiting for a full price offer. Fortunately, the sellers wanted my cash, and the fact that I was willing to close next week got me the deal, slightly above my offer. Looking back at it, there were some parts of the deal that would have been smoother if I had a buyer's agent, and I had some clients who would have liked to pick up half of the commission. The realtor may have been wrong in his advice, the lot next door is still for sale 6 months later. It's smaller, much less frontage (150' vs 740'), and the same price mine was listed for. I'd love for the lot next door to stay vacant, but that's just wishful thinking. When it comes to crop spraying, the part that bothers me is when I'm cycling down the road and somebody is spraying upwind. In a car, I can shut off the vents, hold my breath, and then air out the car a mile later before I start breathing (and then wash the car ASAP to avoid paint damage). On a bike, it's hard to hold my breath for 30 seconds, and that doesn't get me far at 15-20mph. Never lived where spraying was a problem, but the last house we built for my parents was within 300 yards of a hog barn. The neighbor no longer raises hogs, but I can't imagine complaining if he started again. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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good for you. 85% of FSBO sales happen between people who already know each other. Most of the houses that are FSBO never sell. In a transaction as big as buying or selling a house, it is VERY foolish NOT to have a realtor. You were lucky everything worked out great. Where would your protection be if something went south? With a realtor, you have the backing of their broker and legal protection. Anybody who has the opinion that realtors are worthless have only dealt with worthless realtors. Get a good one and you will see the difference --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. No offense to any real estate agents out there, but in my experience I've found them to be pretty useless when it comes to buying or selling a house. The last time we moved we did both the sale and the new purchase as FSBO and we came out way ahead and much happier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can always sue the Realtor if you are unhappy! It has to be someone else's fault right? You couldn't have screwed up yourself. Realtor's have insurance! (I'm a lawyer. How can you tell I have a client who is unhappy with her Realtor? ) Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers good for you. 85% of FSBO sales happen between people who already know each other. Most of the houses that are FSBO never sell. In a transaction as big as buying or selling a house, it is VERY foolish NOT to have a realtor. You were lucky everything worked out great. Where would your protection be if something went south? With a realtor, you have the backing of their broker and legal protection. Anybody who has the opinion that realtors are worthless have only dealt with worthless realtors. Get a good one and you will see the difference --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. No offense to any real estate agents out there, but in my experience I've found them to be pretty useless when it comes to buying or selling a house. The last time we moved we did both the sale and the new purchase as FSBO and we came out way ahead and much happier. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yep, thats a whole different deal. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] populations discussion now killer Farmers On 9/7/07, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BZT, WRONG. It is NOT the job of a real estate agent to tell a buyer about what the neighbors do. In fact, in OK and most other states, its ILLEGAL for a real estate agent to say those sorts of things. Its up to the buyer to figure out if the property has been psychologically impacted (ie, somebody killed there), or if there is a crack house next door. Hmm. I just bought three acres in the boonies (rural Columbia County, Oregon for those who care) and made my offer contingent on the results of an investigation of the neighboring properties. Then my agent called the county records office and got info on zoning, land-use permits, recent applications for permits and zoning changes, etc. (Found out my neighbors are forbidden either to subdivide or log. They could farm, but don't. One neighbor has a lot of livestock, but he's downwind most of the time. I kind of like the smell of cow patties drying in the sun, anyway.) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We bought our house from someone we knew of but not knew well. We sold our former house in less than a week FSBO to an acquaintance of a friend. It helped that it was in a good neighborhood in a good school district and was a fairly basic (i.e. affordable) house and we were not unrealistic about our asking price, it was the right time of year to be in the market, etc. I'm sure there are realtors out there that work for their customers and I do have to take back a little of what I said in that we did work with such a person once as buyers. She is no longer in the real estate biz however. When we sold our first house with a realtor we saw him when we signed the listing agreement and not again until he stopped by at the closing to pick up his check. He did nothing that I could tell to market the house beyond entering it into the MLS, which is really the only thing you can't do as a FSBO. As far as other agents we've worked with they were not (in my opinion) so much representing ANYONES interests as they were simply trying to hold the deal together until closing. The title company and the bank did all the real legwork of arranging a survey, appraisal, title history search, title insurance, etc. Yes the agent can fill out a boilerplate offer to purchase and the usual contingencies but you can easily find the same documents and do it yourself. If you want someone to represent you get an attorney to review everything. A laywer you hire is MUCH more obligated to represent YOUR interests than a real estate agent, and likely will cost far less than a commission unless the transaction is really complicated in which case you need a laywer regardless. Just my opinion, maybe we've just had bad luck with the realtors we've encountered. Allan Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: good for you. 85% of FSBO sales happen between people who already know each other. Most of the houses that are FSBO never sell. In a transaction as big as buying or selling a house, it is VERY foolish NOT to have a realtor. You were lucky everything worked out great. Where would your protection be if something went south? With a realtor, you have the backing of their broker and legal protection. Anybody who has the opinion that realtors are worthless have only dealt with worthless realtors. Get a good one and you will see the difference -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes the real estate agent should have made him aware that the farmer uses chemicals to treat his crops. Then the purchaser could have made a informed decision. Then again, just about everyone knows that Farmers spray chemicals and if you buy a property next to a farm you have to put up with it unless the Framer uses non approved chemicals or uses them in an illegal manner. The use of pesticides is strictly controlled by the law but the Farmer is entitled to farm according to best industry practice. Tom Hargrave wrote: Or around here, someone (actually a friend) who purchased a nice house in a neighborhood that surrounded by cotton fields, only to discover that the chemicals sprayed on the cotton are complicating his Son's athsma. He's already complained to the farmer and passed a petition around the neighborhood to no avail. Now he has contacted a Lawyer wants to sue. So, he's going to hire a lawyer and force the farmer to hire a lawyer to defend himseld. My friend will probably go no-where with this but he will cost the farmer a lot of money time before it's done. See a problem with this? Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
