Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
Fred Sez: Rick. Thanks for the reference. Fred Moir. Lynn MA. Diesel preferred. Fred writes: This getting old is a pain, thoughthe alternative is worse. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076114773X My pleasure. Anything to ease the burden of aging. Heck, maybe even make it enjoyable! Rick Who is about to get on the Nordic Trak ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
Rick.Thanks for the reference. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 23:44:35 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame. From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Fred writes: This getting old is a pain, though the alternative is worse. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076114773X Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
I agree with you 100% on getting old. Having viral cardiomyopathy that put me in the hospital with congestive heart failure over Easter isn't helping any, either! I'm more or less back up to speed, still get dizzy from the beta blocker, but able to walk full speed and get the lawn mowed. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
Oh man, I took a beta blocker back when I had my heart issue and it put me on my ass. I slept for an entire weekend, couldn't hardly sit up to eat... -Curt From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Fred Moir fredh.s...@hotmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame. I agree with you 100% on getting old. Having viral cardiomyopathy that put me in the hospital with congestive heart failure over Easter isn't helping any, either! I'm more or less back up to speed, still get dizzy from the beta blocker, but able to walk full speed and get the lawn mowed. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
I can only offer that it will be much easier to replace all the links and bushings, but remember that final torque should be done with weight of car resting on rear wheels. Unknowns: condition of wheel bearings, brakes, unless you swap over the wheel carriers. Extra expense: new bolts and special washers for the axle connections to differential. Are you keeping current differential? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On May 4, 2015 8:38:36 PM EDT, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Need an informed opinion as to whether it is a good idea to buy a used W124 rear subframe and build it up and then swap it, on not? (Sorry about the on-topic question). Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
Max,et al.It probably will be easier to just do the mounts and shocks, all of which I have, than dropping the subframe etc.All of the links were done last year.This getting old is a pain, though the alternative is worse. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 5 May 2015 09:08:39 -0400 To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame. From: mercedes@okiebenz.com I can only offer that it will be much easier to replace all the links and bushings, but remember that final torque should be done with weight of car resting on rear wheels. Unknowns: condition of wheel bearings, brakes, unless you swap over the wheel carriers. Extra expense: new bolts and special washers for the axle connections to differential. Are you keeping current differential? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
Fred writes: This getting old is a pain, though the alternative is worse. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076114773X Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame.
Should work OK, just remember that the wagon and the sedans have different rear axles, the wagon is 49 mm at the axle nut and the sedans are 47 mm I think. It is much easier to replace subframe mounts and do most of the work on links outside the car. However, you must still tighten the link bolts with the wheel at ride height, so in most cases you will need to do this on the car. Also will have to do a four wheel alignment. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rear sub frame.
Need an informed opinion as to whether it is a good idea to buy a used W124 rear subframe and build it up and then swap it, on not? (Sorry about the on-topic question). Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL
The on-line EPC is your friend --- All the suspension parts I dealt with on the SLC had 115 part numbers, but I didn't replace the subframe mounts. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Q can tell you in the mornin' Would these be the same thing as those used in the w116? Sure look the same. I know the 107 is a blend of 114 and 116 parts, but are the rubber bits completely different? Bound to be the same thing, just more special part number for when you do show car instead of road car. This matters not, as I just want it on the road, not looking for ribbons or medals. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-**to-1981-Rear-Subframe-Mount-** Bushing-Kit-Mercedes-220-230-**240-250-280-450-/370592510563?** hash=item564908f263item=**370592510563pt=Motors_Car_** Truck_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=**mtr#ht_668wt_1165http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-to-1981-Rear-Subframe-Mount-Bushing-Kit-Mercedes-220-230-240-250-280-450-/370592510563?hash=item564908f263item=370592510563pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=mtr#ht_668wt_1165 clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL
Speaking of SLCs, will they ever be valuable? Certainly the supply is shrinking radically due to rust and the indifference of the buying public. Still, the time will come when a good example of this model will fetch a pretty penny (although perhaps not in our lifetime). Anyone been checking prices lately for these cars? Andrew Former owner, 1978 450 SL C, over-restored and eventually totaled. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: The on-line EPC is your friend --- All the suspension parts I dealt with on the SLC had 115 part numbers, but I didn't replace the subframe mounts. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Q can tell you in the mornin' Would these be the same thing as those used in the w116? Sure look the same. I know the 107 is a blend of 114 and 116 parts, but are the rubber bits completely different? Bound to be the same thing, just more special part number for when you do show car instead of road car. This matters not, as I just want it on the road, not looking for ribbons or medals. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-**to-1981-Rear-Subframe-Mount-** Bushing-Kit-Mercedes-220-230-**240-250-280-450-/370592510563?** hash=item564908f263item=**370592510563pt=Motors_Car_** Truck_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=**mtr#ht_668wt_1165http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-to-1981-Rear-Subframe-Mount-Bushing-Kit-Mercedes-220-230-240-250-280-450-/370592510563?hash=item564908f263item=370592510563pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=mtr#ht_668wt_1165 clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL
Based on number made, there is no probable value in them. They do not have the cachet of a convertible, are more GT than babe mobile, and as you state, just not that in demand, so are being allowed to rust away. I would think that if it were a really rare model, such as the 5 liter 1979 450slc, it might fetch a good fee in twenty years. Or AMG. Even the 107 drop top is over represented with the 280/380/420/500/560 and 18 years of production. I would expect a gray market euro to be more valuable than DOT models. For some reason there is a flood of 380sl on the local market. Did they really import that many more proportionally than the 450 or 560? I also am expecting that prices will be very attuned to geography. If you are in Georgia, the car must be made of platinum and valued at market rate for the metal. For some reason Georgia cars on fleabay are stupid prices. clay On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:34 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Speaking of SLCs, will they ever be valuable? Certainly the supply is shrinking radically due to rust and the indifference of the buying public. Still, the time will come when a good example of this model will fetch a pretty penny (although perhaps not in our lifetime). Anyone been checking prices lately for these cars? Andrew Former owner, 1978 450 SL C, over-restored and eventually totaled. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:21 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: The on-line EPC is your friend --- All the suspension parts I dealt with on the SLC had 115 part numbers, but I didn't replace the subframe mounts. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Q can tell you in the mornin' Would these be the same thing as those used in the w116? Sure look the same. I know the 107 is a blend of 114 and 116 parts, but are the rubber bits completely different? Bound to be the same thing, just more special part number for when you do show car instead of road car. This matters not, as I just want it on the road, not looking for ribbons or medals. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-**to-1981-Rear-Subframe-Mount-** Bushing-Kit-Mercedes-220-230-**240-250-280-450-/370592510563?** hash=item564908f263item=**370592510563pt=Motors_Car_** Truck_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=**mtr#ht_668wt_1165http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-to-1981-Rear-Subframe-Mount-Bushing-Kit-Mercedes-220-230-240-250-280-450-/370592510563?hash=item564908f263item=370592510563pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=mtr#ht_668wt_1165 clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL
clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes: For some reason Georgia cars on fleabay are stupid prices. In general, North Carolina through Georgia is a good place to buy a used car, they don't salt the roads and the cars are not as likely to be totally sun-baked as in Florida. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL
Maybe. IF it leaks, there is bound to be rust. I am find that the bay area SL, even if it lived in Seattle for a number or years, has horrible rust issue. Maybe having the pads glued down discouraged owners from looking under them and this allowed water to pool and feed tin worm. I would expect the same lack of attention to affect the mid atlantic and southern cars equally. clay On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Allan Streib wrote: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes: For some reason Georgia cars on fleabay are stupid prices. In general, North Carolina through Georgia is a good place to buy a used car, they don't salt the roads and the cars are not as likely to be totally sun-baked as in Florida. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL
Would these be the same thing as those used in the w116? Sure look the same. I know the 107 is a blend of 114 and 116 parts, but are the rubber bits completely different? Bound to be the same thing, just more special part number for when you do show car instead of road car. This matters not, as I just want it on the road, not looking for ribbons or medals. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-to-1981-Rear-Subframe-Mount-Bushing-Kit-Mercedes-220-230-240-250-280-450-/370592510563?hash=item564908f263item=370592510563pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=mtr#ht_668wt_1165 clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL
Q can tell you in the mornin' Would these be the same thing as those used in the w116? Sure look the same. I know the 107 is a blend of 114 and 116 parts, but are the rubber bits completely different? Bound to be the same thing, just more special part number for when you do show car instead of road car. This matters not, as I just want it on the road, not looking for ribbons or medals. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-to-1981-Rear-Subframe-Mount-Bushing-Kit-Mercedes-220-230-240-250-280-450-/370592510563?hash=item564908f263item=370592510563pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessoriesvxp=mtr#ht_668wt_1165 clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
