Re: [MBZ] Diesel aircraft engines

2006-02-01 Thread David Brodbeck 
Richard Murdoch wrote:
 I wonder how much re-engineering they would have to do to use the Mercedes
 CDI for aviation purposes?

I saw a blurb about a VW TDI re-engineered for use as an aviation
engine, for the European market, once.  It had a reduction gear, as is
common practice when using an auto engine in an airplane.  (Otherwise
the engine never gets to run fast enough to reach its torque peak.)  I
don't know how they handled the fuel injection computer.  For
certification in the U.S., I think it would need backup power at least,
and maybe dual redundant computers.  The target fuel was Jet A, since
it's readily available at airports, cheaper than avgas, and has good low
temperature characteristics.  It was being pitched as an ideal engine
for glider tugs, because of the low fuel burn and because the water
cooled design meant no concerns about shock cooling -- always a problem
with tugs, since they make a long climb, then immediately descend.

Re: [MBZ] Diesel aircraft engines

2006-01-31 Thread Richard Murdoch 
There were some early attempts to use diesels on early aircraft.  I think
they were too heavy.  IIRC Packard manufactued one.
Richard Murdoch
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel aircraft engines

2006-01-31 Thread Potter, Tom E 
Here is one of the first.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Duxford/Guiberson.htm 

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There were some early attempts to use diesels on early aircraft.  I
think
they were too heavy.  IIRC Packard manufactued one.
Richard Murdoch
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel aircraft engines

2006-01-31 Thread Trampas 
They are coming back, one manufacture is thinking about Mercedes CDI. 

Trampas

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Here is one of the first.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/diesel/Duxford/Guiberson.htm 

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There were some early attempts to use diesels on early aircraft.  I
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel aircraft engines

2006-01-31 Thread B Dike 
Back in the early days of WWII a diesel-powered Messerschmidt 109 was captured 
by the Allies, and the propulsion assembly was exhibited at engineering schools 
around the U.S.

Richard Murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  There were some early attempts to 
use diesels on early aircraft. I think
they were too heavy. IIRC Packard manufactued one.
Richard Murdoch
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel aircraft engines

2006-01-31 Thread Richard Murdoch 
I wonder how much re-engineering they would have to do to use the Mercedes
CDI for aviation purposes?

Tom, thanks for that link.  That is well worth browsing, especially if you
are interested in radial engines.   There is also a page devoted to Norberg
radials made for pumps.

Richard

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 They are coming back, one manufacture is thinking about Mercedes CDI.

 Trampas

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