Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis
Thanks for the input! I will be looking at these other items in the next few days and making a determination. Michael E. Esh 231 286 2344 On Oct 20, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yes! As do worn LCA bushings Good point, Jim. I had forgotten about subframe mounts. However, would subframe mount make the whole rear of the car low, and not be relative to the load? On a related issue, spring pads are of different sizes. You have to look at the edges to see how many tabs or notches they have. This identifies the thickness. You should see some very distinct little tabs or pins sticking out from the edge. This allows you to identify which thickness you have so the pad doesn't have to be removed to determine which size it is. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 20, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote: Spring pads can pack down and wear out. There are other things besides weak springs that can cause rear geometry problems. Rear subframe bushings? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis
Buy new springs? The fact that the car is dropping noticeably when you load it would imply that the springs are tired. I'm sure I will get corrected if wrong, but I don't believe you need a spring compressor to do rear springs, that you can unload the suspension and lower the control arm with a jack to get the spring out. Rear springs are about $160/each from the dealer. Factor in another $30 or so for new spring pads, too. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The rear of my 1984 300d is setting low and it gets even lower when I add a passenger or two. I am thinking I need to purchase new coil springs. The shocks are pretty new. Does anyone have any thoughts for ways to address this issue? Thanks, Mike Esh Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis
I think I have some spring pads I bought for my '83 240D. If anybody wants them they can have them for say $10 and shipping. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis Buy new springs? The fact that the car is dropping noticeably when you load it would imply that the springs are tired. I'm sure I will get corrected if wrong, but I don't believe you need a spring compressor to do rear springs, that you can unload the suspension and lower the control arm with a jack to get the spring out. Rear springs are about $160/each from the dealer. Factor in another $30 or so for new spring pads, too. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The rear of my 1984 300d is setting low and it gets even lower when I add a passenger or two. I am thinking I need to purchase new coil springs. The shocks are pretty new. Does anyone have any thoughts for ways to address this issue? Thanks, Mike Esh Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis
Spring pads can pack down and wear out. There are other things besides weak springs that can cause rear geometry problems. Rear subframe bushings? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis
Yes, 100% rear springs in a 123 can be removed without a compressor. I've done it, when replacing a noisy diff. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis
You can try springs and find out it is probably a waste of money. Most likely you need new rubber in the entire rear subframe. This includes new rear subframe mounts, and new bushings in the lower control arms. New Diff mount is a good idea. New rubber seats for the springs should be put in too. those will make a difference. Eccentric bushings used to be available for the 123. Those can be used in the LCA No instructions are provided, so you have to figure out which position to mount them on your own. They can offset other wear, The 240D I rebushed the rear subframe in 6 yrs or so ago is still riding high and looks nice. Compared to modern (junk) cars with wide tires, the tires look a little skinny when it goes down the road, but otherwise it looks like a new car for 1981. Allow a day and have a 6' cheater pipe on hand, along with big blocks for safety when you do the job. The rear of my 1984 300d is setting low and it gets even lower when I add a passenger or two. I am thinking I need to purchase new coil springs. The shocks are pretty new. Does anyone have any thoughts for ways to address this issue? Thanks, Mike Esh Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis
Good point, Jim. I had forgotten about subframe mounts. However, would subframe mount make the whole rear of the car low, and not be relative to the load? On a related issue, spring pads are of different sizes. You have to look at the edges to see how many tabs or notches they have. This identifies the thickness. You should see some very distinct little tabs or pins sticking out from the edge. This allows you to identify which thickness you have so the pad doesn't have to be removed to determine which size it is. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 20, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote: Spring pads can pack down and wear out. There are other things besides weak springs that can cause rear geometry problems. Rear subframe bushings? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Low rear chassis
Yes! As do worn LCA bushings Good point, Jim. I had forgotten about subframe mounts. However, would subframe mount make the whole rear of the car low, and not be relative to the load? On a related issue, spring pads are of different sizes. You have to look at the edges to see how many tabs or notches they have. This identifies the thickness. You should see some very distinct little tabs or pins sticking out from the edge. This allows you to identify which thickness you have so the pad doesn't have to be removed to determine which size it is. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 20, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com wrote: Spring pads can pack down and wear out. There are other things besides weak springs that can cause rear geometry problems. Rear subframe bushings? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
