Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
i agree completely. I can only add that the logic of changing the fluid in a transmission is akin to changing the oil in an engine. No one ever suggests that replacing the oil in an engine is a bad thing. I fail to see how doing the same to a transmission could cause damage. re the people who claim their transmission failed after a flush - IMO their tranny probably was failing and that caused them to have a flush done - that's like having a heart attack and dieing while medics try to shock the heart back into life - then blaming the shock for the death. BTW, On a vehicle without a drain plug on the TC, flushing is the only way to get all the old trans juice out. LarryT On 7/26/2014 5:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
If you take a neglected tranny with ancient non-synthetic oil in it and flush it with fresh synthetic fluid, it's possible to remove enough varnish from the valve body that shifting problems arise. Also, in the 70's, synthetic oils didn't have enough seal swelling material in them, and rubber seals saturated with mineral oils could shrink when the fluid was changed, resulting in failure. This particular issue was addressed when I was in high school, shouldn't be a problem now. The only other issue would be a bunch of scale collected all of the the tranny that comes loose with the synthetic, clogging the filter and causing issues. Easily addressed by changing the filter again. Otherwise, if the dirt and varnish is all that keeps the tranny working, it's shot anyway. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
The speedy lube place we use has a system where they unhook the trans at the trans cooler and hook that to a tank which then pushes new fluid into the system as the transmission pumps the old out. Seems to work pretty well, we had it done a few times on the Dakota which went 222,000 on the original trans before I traded it. I did that flush alternating with a new filter and conventional drain. If it were my car I'd drive it a couple weeks, then drain and refill again. Unfortunately the auto boxes that VW used are generally considered not so good by the TDI community. I wonder if they survive better behind gassers. -Curt From: Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fred Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush. Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
There is one system by which the fluid gets forced through the system backwards, I've heard that that system can damage transmissions. Seems legit, but flushing in the normal direction doesn't seem like it'd hurt anything. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush. I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
Just my personal opinion, but nobody hooks up a 'transmission flush' machine to any car I own. I have no trust in those machines and less trust in the people wielding them. If I want to change the fluid without a TC drain plug, I do something I saw in a factory Ford manual in the 1990s: Drain the pan and change the filter, throw a gallon of fresh fluid in the pan, unhook a cooling line at the radiator and let it idle in park until the clean fluid starts coming out of the hose. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
The guy that has done mine (not any of my MBs, of course!) is a veteran indie mechanic that I trust. He's got the machine and been trained in its proper use. He says it does a great job getting all of the ATF out of the system and does it in a way that it won't damage anything. No way I would let one of the Jiffy Lube crew touch a system like that in any of my cars. I'll let them change the oil in my non-MBs but that's the extent of the contact I allow from them. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just my personal opinion, but nobody hooks up a 'transmission flush' machine to any car I own. I have no trust in those machines and less trust in the people wielding them. If I want to change the fluid without a TC drain plug, I do something I saw in a factory Ford manual in the 1990s: Drain the pan and change the filter, throw a gallon of fresh fluid in the pan, unhook a cooling line at the radiator and let it idle in park until the clean fluid starts coming out of the hose. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: snip No way I would let one of the Jiffy Lube crew touch a system like that in any of my cars. I'll let them change the oil in my non-MBs but that's the extent of the contact I allow from them. Dan What is this Jiffy Lube you speak of, and air powered grease gun? :-) I have never taken a vehicle to such a thing . . . . -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
i think those flush and your tranny is toast thing comes from fords using type F in the 70s but changing it every 5k or so for a few times is not a bad idea if flush scares you. i used to change my tranny fluid ever 5k back in the day and the filter every 15 on the old hydramatics On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush.
Unless I am doing a full fluid and filter change, I am pretty happy with a drain and fill, then run for 2500 miles, drain and fill again with a new to me purchase.Mobil 1 ATF clay On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:56 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: There is one system by which the fluid gets forced through the system backwards, I've heard that that system can damage transmissions. Seems legit, but flushing in the normal direction doesn't seem like it'd hurt anything. -Curt From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT-ish Trans flush. I take exception to this statement. If flushing were such a bad thing, there would be literally tens of thousands of failed transmissions out there. I hear talk of fluid shock on occasion as well, and find this just as bogus. That is described as the condition where one drains and refills a transmission and the lack of dirty fluid full of old material causes the transmission or valve body to fail. Think about this logically: Dealers, indies and others have historically drained and replaced fluid in slushboxes for years. If there was the potential for damage or failure be replacing the fluid or flushing there's no way they would be doing it, for fear of having to buy the customer a new transmission. I've had a couple of non-MB transmissions flushed by competent independent mechanics. The last one was the wife's 2005 Mazda 6, which was flushed at the factory interval of 75k. It's worked perfectly since it was done. Some claim that by flushing or doing a complete drain and refill you take friction material that was floating around in the system and helping the clutches and bands to continue working. Bogus. Most of that material, not all, ends up in the filter. I had the discussion about fluid shock, which is the procedure you recommend to prevent such a condition, with a 20+ year MB line mechanic at my local dealership. He said that in his tenure he has never heard of such a thing, and that they regularly drain and refill transmissions all the time without ever encountering a failure. He thought it was funny. Just my $0.02. Dan On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do you want to replace the transmission? If Yes the do a flush if No the Drain replace the filter run it around 5000 miles and do it again. That will get most of the crud out of the TC. This comes form my buddy whose shop works VW's along with MB's BMW's. Factory trained Tech's for each car line. Russ W. On 7/26/2014 15:30, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Folks.I have been driving my daughters old VW Jetta 2004 175K mi. and it seemed to me that it wasn't shifting quite the way it should.Bought a filter and VW spec. oil and went at it. Jacked up and levelled the car and drained the consomme from the pan.The oil had a slight burnt smell and was light brown. The trans has probably never been serviced before, by the appearance of the fasteners and the fill plug.Cleaned everything, changed the filter and filled with 3.2 qts of ATF, road test good.As the torque converter was not drained only part of the olde fluid was replaced.Q. What is the current feeling about using a service to flush the transmission to clean and replace all of the fluid? And who would you recommend? TIA Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7924 - Release Date: 07/26/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual
