Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
Max, I don’t do VOIP, other than at work. It’s inherently unsecure depending on how the traffic is being handled. If I can capture your VOIP packets I can listen to your conversation. Sorry. Dan On Jun 26, 2015, at 4:14 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan- what about Zoom? On Jun 26, 2015 3:47 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, can you recommend an alternative? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 26, 2015 3:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And if you're worried about nosy people, Skype is the last place you want to be. They were willingly handing over data to nosy folks long before people were aware of it, I believe. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
Dan wrote: ...If I can capture your VOIP packets I can listen to your conversation. Well... That peaks out interest. What might we hear? Some things most don't know? I suggest most of us talk stuff nobody is curious to hear, not even stuff appropriate for a girlfriend... if that applies... it doesn't apply for me, so... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
Part of the work I do involves looking at traffic to see how secure it is. There is readily available, open source packet capture software (Wireshark is the most popular) that can be used to open up pretty much any protocol in a data stream that isn’t encrypted. VOIP is easy to encrypt, and most is. However, if it’s not and I can grab the packets coming across your wireless router, for example, it’s a matter of applying a filter and playing back the VOIP data stream, and I can hear your conversation as if I was a part of it. Dan On Jun 27, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: ...If I can capture your VOIP packets I can listen to your conversation. Well... That peaks out interest. What might we hear? Some things most don't know? I suggest most of us talk stuff nobody is curious to hear, not even stuff appropriate for a girlfriend... if that applies... it doesn't apply for me, so... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
Mitch, Yes, I'm quite tempted to ditch the Android OS that came loaded on my phone and install a CyanogenMod OS, which offers more privacy by default. Somehow I don't think that Apple devices are offering too much more in the way of privacy. Back to the original topic, I've already got a Skype account and had that app loaded in the past, and they have already been assimilated into the GoogleBorg, so I may as well just stick with that and not add another player to the list of those who already have access to my phone. In addition, Skype will work on SWMBO's iPhone, I'll just need to show her how. Skype rates for international calls aren't too terrible either, should she decide to call her relatives in Italy. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The permissions thing, and the amount of data that the OS and non-removable Google apps move in and out of my phone after I try to lock down the security as much as I can, leaves me not wanting to be anywhere near an Android device. But, as you mention, some of the permissions are flat-out ridiculous: in order to install Amazon Kindle book reader, you must allow Amazon to have full access to the GPS technology in your phone to track your position 24/7, do you accept? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
Dan, can you recommend an alternative? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 26, 2015 3:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And if you're worried about nosy people, Skype is the last place you want to be. They were willingly handing over data to nosy folks long before people were aware of it, I believe. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
On June 26, 2015 at 2:46 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Looking in Google Play, there are dozens of apps, and reading the permissions required gives me the heebie-jeebies. The permissions thing, and the amount of data that the OS and non-removable Google apps move in and out of my phone after I try to lock down the security as much as I can, leaves me not wanting to be anywhere near an Android device. But, as you mention, some of the permissions are flat-out ridiculous: in order to install Amazon Kindle book reader, you must allow Amazon to have full access to the GPS technology in your phone to track your position 24/7, do you accept? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
And if you're worried about nosy people, Skype is the last place you want to be. They were willingly handing over data to nosy folks long before people were aware of it, I believe. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 26, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Skype: Wrong-O, they are part of the Microsoft-Borg, not Google-Borg. Oh well, MS already has a lot on me. I should buy stock in these bozos so I at least get a small share of the profit they make selling my data... - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Mitch, Yes, I'm quite tempted to ditch the Android OS that came loaded on my phone and install a CyanogenMod OS, which offers more privacy by default. Somehow I don't think that Apple devices are offering too much more in the way of privacy. Back to the original topic, I've already got a Skype account and had that app loaded in the past, and they have already been assimilated into the GoogleBorg, so I may as well just stick with that and not add another player to the list of those who already have access to my phone. In addition, Skype will work on SWMBO's iPhone, I'll just need to show her how. Skype rates for international calls aren't too terrible either, should she decide to call her relatives in Italy. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The permissions thing, and the amount of data that the OS and non-removable Google apps move in and out of my phone after I try to lock down the security as much as I can, leaves me not wanting to be anywhere near an Android device. But, as you mention, some of the permissions are flat-out ridiculous: in order to install Amazon Kindle book reader, you must allow Amazon to have full access to the GPS technology in your phone to track your position 24/7, do you accept? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
Dan- what about Zoom? On Jun 26, 2015 3:47 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, can you recommend an alternative? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On June 26, 2015 3:37:16 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: And if you're worried about nosy people, Skype is the last place you want to be. They were willingly handing over data to nosy folks long before people were aware of it, I believe. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT VOIP apps / usage
Skype: Wrong-O, they are part of the Microsoft-Borg, not Google-Borg. Oh well, MS already has a lot on me. I should buy stock in these bozos so I at least get a small share of the profit they make selling my data... - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Mitch, Yes, I'm quite tempted to ditch the Android OS that came loaded on my phone and install a CyanogenMod OS, which offers more privacy by default. Somehow I don't think that Apple devices are offering too much more in the way of privacy. Back to the original topic, I've already got a Skype account and had that app loaded in the past, and they have already been assimilated into the GoogleBorg, so I may as well just stick with that and not add another player to the list of those who already have access to my phone. In addition, Skype will work on SWMBO's iPhone, I'll just need to show her how. Skype rates for international calls aren't too terrible either, should she decide to call her relatives in Italy. - Max Charleston SC On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The permissions thing, and the amount of data that the OS and non-removable Google apps move in and out of my phone after I try to lock down the security as much as I can, leaves me not wanting to be anywhere near an Android device. But, as you mention, some of the permissions are flat-out ridiculous: in order to install Amazon Kindle book reader, you must allow Amazon to have full access to the GPS technology in your phone to track your position 24/7, do you accept? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
