Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I used spit. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:28:45 -0500 Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's the general idea. Larry, did you try a bit of soapy water on the bushing? That might help slide her in place. I used Vasoline petroleum jelly. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
That's the general idea. Larry, did you try a bit of soapy water on the bushing? That might help slide her in place. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/10/2013 10:37 PM, OK Don wrote: I actually found my shifter bushing installation tool while looking for a 13/32 socket this afternoon, and had the presence of mind to take a picture of it. The bolt is 5/16 X 1½. The cup like thing (luther used a PVC pipe cap) is a nut for electrical conduit, ground down to be shorter. It only needs to be deep enough for the far (tranny) side of the bushing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Also be certain that not part of the tool you are using is impeding the bushing on the back side! On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's the general idea. Larry, did you try a bit of soapy water on the bushing? That might help slide her in place. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 20:28:45 -0500 Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's the general idea. Larry, did you try a bit of soapy water on the bushing? That might help slide her in place. I used Vasoline petroleum jelly. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I have one that I guess is the official tool it's a pair of long pliers you put the bushing on one side, put it over the lever squeeze the pliers and it pops right in, takes just a second to do. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 10, 2013, at 10:37 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I actually found my shifter bushing installation tool while looking for a 13/32 socket this afternoon, and had the presence of mind to take a picture of it. The bolt is 5/16 X 1½. The cup like thing (luther used a PVC pipe cap) is a nut for electrical conduit, ground down to be shorter. It only needs to be deep enough for the far (tranny) side of the bushing. On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: Yes, that exactly. Good, no, great explanation. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/10/2013 2:07 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Larry T wrote: Thanks Luther - The part about the PVC Cap is a little foggy but if I follow the directions it will become clear when I try it Goes on the far side of the linkage as a receptacle for the small end of the bushing after it punches through. Same reason why one side of the plier tool is an open ring. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! Small-tool-web.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I've always managed to get those suckers in without tools, fiddly but doable. Hendrik whose plastic thingies are in good shape, last time I looked On 10/07/13 21:10, Mitch Haley wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I must have missed the post describing the tool.. can you repost it? And, if you have extra money burning a hole in your pocket... https://mercedessource.com/store/automatic-transmission-shift-rod-bushing-replacement-tool $28? Every pro (and amateur gadget freak) should have one. I'd probably go with Luther's $1 tool at this point. I'm thinking of an interesting test. You're an independent Mercedes mechanic? You've got a lot of experience on W201 and older? What do you use to install shift linkage bushings? (I'd be expecting him to reach for his tool box and pull out the tool Rick linked) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Wow Hendrik!! You must have fingers like steel traps!! Got some Bionic parts in there, Huh? Actually I replaced them on my W123 but I cannot remember how I actually got it/them to pop into place Can't believe the W124 is significantly worse than the W123? The ones on my 240D lasted more than 250,000 miles... LarryT 91 30oD On 7/11/2013 2:52 AM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: I've always managed to get those suckers in without tools, fiddly but doable. Hendrik whose plastic thingies are in good shape, last time I looked On 10/07/13 21:10, Mitch Haley wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I must have missed the post describing the tool.. can you repost it? And, if you have extra money burning a hole in your pocket... https://mercedessource.com/store/automatic-transmission-shift-rod-bushing-replacement-tool $28? Every pro (and amateur gadget freak) should have one. I'd probably go with Luther's $1 tool at this point. I'm thinking of an interesting test. You're an independent Mercedes mechanic? You've got a lot of experience on W201 and older? What do you use to install shift linkage bushings? (I'd be expecting him to reach for his tool box and pull out the tool Rick linked) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Actually meant to write, without the special tool I use a screwdriver and ordinary pliers from memory. You have to put one side in and then squash up the other to get it to pop in. Hendrik who is not the six million dollar man On 12/07/13 07:58, Larry T wrote: Wow Hendrik!! You must have fingers like steel traps!! Got some Bionic parts in there, Huh? Actually I replaced them on my W123 but I cannot remember how I actually got it/them to pop into place Can't believe the W124 is significantly worse than the W123? The ones on my 240D lasted more than 250,000 miles... LarryT 91 30oD On 7/11/2013 2:52 AM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: I've always managed to get those suckers in without tools, fiddly but doable. Hendrik whose plastic thingies are in good shape, last time I looked ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
It only works that way because you're up-side-down ;-) The bushings were the same for the 107, 115,123,124,and 126, with minor variations in the available space to work in On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Actually meant to write, without the special tool I use a screwdriver and ordinary pliers from memory. You have to put one side in and then squash up the other to get it to pop in. Hendrik who is not the six million dollar man -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Thanks Scott - i remember well replacing the bushings on my 240D! I looked at the underside of my W124 and could see the gear lever coming down to the AT and the bushing was completely missing from the lever assy. The other bushings I saw are new as I had a rebuild AT from Rusty installed a couple of years ago. I had planned to ask the installer to replace the remaining bushing for as usual I forgot. I'm going to attempt to replace the one bushing at the end of the shift lever - we'll see how it goes later today. Thanks again - LarryT On 7/10/2013 12:21 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote: There is a link that connects the bottom of the shifter to a lever of the transmission and there are plastic grommets at both ends (in the shifter and in the lever on the transmission. Those grommets are the subject of most of this discussion and they are easiest to do from beneath the car. The hard part (other than getting dirt in the face) is pressing the new grommet in the hole and not losing the spring clips. But there are another pair of plastic bushings on the trunions that allow the fore-aft motion of the shifter and these can wear out too (they did in my 79 300TD with 350K miles). These bushings need to be replaced from above after removing the console and the shifter. This wasn't a bad job in my 123 model (console removal was harder my 126 model). If you need to remove the shifter from above to do the trunion bushings it's little additional work to replace the grommet too, which is much easier with the shifter out of the car. When the grommets are bad I heard/felt a buzzing at the shifter (metal on metal). When the trunion bushings were bad the shifter felt sloppy. Even with all those miles, my old TD felt very tight and crisp with the new bushings and grommets. Scott --- Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Why is that? I have never had to do that, I always do them from the bottom Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124 Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I have a LOT of pliers of all types - hopefully I have one that will fit Thanks - Larry On 7/9/2013 10:43 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: That Viton is stiff enough it would be VERY difficult to insert by hand. Easy enough with pliers or channel-locks with a bit of silicone grease, but I doubt an ordinary mortal could get them in with fingers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I must have missed the post describing the tool.. can you repost it? Larry On 7/9/2013 8:26 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: If you have 17 or 18 inch forearms and hands that are similar to a 5'2 woman, yes. It's fairly tight above and beside the trans, so I would plan for the tool. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/9/2013 7:12 PM, Larry T wrote: Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? Thanks - Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Larry T wrote: I must have missed the post describing the tool.. can you repost it? This one? Mitch. My version of that would be such: (new modification for easier use) 2 1/4-20 bolt 1 or 1-1/8 fender washer 1 PVC cap with hole drilled for 1/4 bolt 1/4-20 nut Instructions: place fender washer on bolt followed by new shifter bushing. Slide bolt through bushing opening on the shifter arm. Place PVC cap and 1/4-20 nut onto end of bolt to create a sandwich around the shifter arm. The idea is that tightening the bolt/nut will push the bushing into the arm. The PVC cap creates space where the bushing can be pushed by straddling the opening. Is that more clear? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (167,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I must have missed the post describing the tool.. can you repost it? And, if you have extra money burning a hole in your pocket... https://mercedessource.com/store/automatic-transmission-shift-rod-bushing-replacement-tool Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Rick Knoble wrote: On Jul 10, 2013, at 6:06 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I must have missed the post describing the tool.. can you repost it? And, if you have extra money burning a hole in your pocket... https://mercedessource.com/store/automatic-transmission-shift-rod-bushing-replacement-tool $28? Every pro (and amateur gadget freak) should have one. I'd probably go with Luther's $1 tool at this point. I'm thinking of an interesting test. You're an independent Mercedes mechanic? You've got a lot of experience on W201 and older? What do you use to install shift linkage bushings? (I'd be expecting him to reach for his tool box and pull out the tool Rick linked) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T, S124
When I did this on my 83 300D the shifter itself was loose so I took out the whole shifter and replaced the bushings in it and of course the rod bushing on the end at the same time while it was out of the car. Made it like new and no more noise. The one on the transmission was the fun one for me. Can't for the life of me remember where I found it in my WSM but I do remember seeing the pictures. Manfred Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:19:58 -0400 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net I need to replace subject bushing - can I do it fro above by removing the gear shift surround or must I work from below?? any idea what section of the WSM I'd find this is? Thx Larryt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I have a LOT of pliers of all types - hopefully I have one that will fit Thanks - Larry They are very difficult to put in with channellocks, Impossible by hand. A bolt, stack of washers and a socket (pipe cap) as Luther described works best. On the 107, I took off the trans arm to facilitate getting the bushing in because I didn't have the bolt washers and socket to work with. On a 124 it is really tight on the transmission end, but since you already have a new bushing there, the hard part is done. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Thanks Luther - The part about the PVC Cap is a little foggy but if I follow the directions it will become clear when I try it Thanks again - Larry On 7/10/2013 7:15 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Larry T wrote: I must have missed the post describing the tool.. can you repost it? This one? Mitch. My version of that would be such: (new modification for easier use) 2 1/4-20 bolt 1 or 1-1/8 fender washer 1 PVC cap with hole drilled for 1/4 bolt 1/4-20 nut Instructions: place fender washer on bolt followed by new shifter bushing. Slide bolt through bushing opening on the shifter arm. Place PVC cap and 1/4-20 nut onto end of bolt to create a sandwich around the shifter arm. The idea is that tightening the bolt/nut will push the bushing into the arm. The PVC cap creates space where the bushing can be pushed by straddling the opening. Is that more clear? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (167,xxx mi) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Thanks! I'll try Luther's method and am sure it will work perfectly. Thanks again - Larry On 7/10/2013 11:07 AM, Dieselhead wrote: I have a LOT of pliers of all types - hopefully I have one that will fit Thanks - Larry They are very difficult to put in with channellocks, Impossible by hand. A bolt, stack of washers and a socket (pipe cap) as Luther described works best. On the 107, I took off the trans arm to facilitate getting the bushing in because I didn't have the bolt washers and socket to work with. On a 124 it is really tight on the transmission end, but since you already have a new bushing there, the hard part is done. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Larry T wrote: Thanks Luther - The part about the PVC Cap is a little foggy but if I follow the directions it will become clear when I try it Goes on the far side of the linkage as a receptacle for the small end of the bushing after it punches through. Same reason why one side of the plier tool is an open ring. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Yes, that exactly. Good, no, great explanation. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/10/2013 2:07 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Larry T wrote: Thanks Luther - The part about the PVC Cap is a little foggy but if I follow the directions it will become clear when I try it Goes on the far side of the linkage as a receptacle for the small end of the bushing after it punches through. Same reason why one side of the plier tool is an open ring. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:19:58 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I need to replace subject bushing - can I do it fro above by removing the gear shift surround or must I work from below?? If it's like a W123, you have to do it from below. any idea what section of the WSM I'd find this is? Don't know, sorry. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry On 7/9/2013 3:30 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:19:58 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I need to replace subject bushing - can I do it fro above by removing the gear shift surround or must I work from below?? If it's like a W123, you have to do it from below. any idea what section of the WSM I'd find this is? Don't know, sorry. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Taking the shift lever out isn't a trivial exercise in a Benz. Vastly easier from underneath, although a lift REALLY helps so you can get at the lever. You can press the bushing in with channel locks easy enough if you have room to use them, which you don't on jackstands. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? Thanks - Larry On 7/9/2013 6:53 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Taking the shift lever out isn't a trivial exercise in a Benz. Vastly easier from underneath, although a lift REALLY helps so you can get at the lever. You can press the bushing in with channel locks easy enough if you have room to use them, which you don't on jackstands. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Thanks Don! ;-) Larry On 7/9/2013 6:47 PM, OK Don wrote: Even if you could do it from inside, I think it Thanks Don!would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
If you have 17 or 18 inch forearms and hands that are similar to a 5'2 woman, yes. It's fairly tight above and beside the trans, so I would plan for the tool. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/9/2013 7:12 PM, Larry T wrote: Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? Thanks - Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124 Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Very true -- On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
The nylon bushing has to be compressed significantly to get into the hole in the arm. I was not able to get them in with channel locks, though some have been able to. I found that a home-made tool, as described by Luther, works great! On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? Thanks - Larry -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Below Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I need to replace subject bushing - can I do it fro above by removing the gear shift surround or must I work from below?? any idea what section of the WSM I'd find this is? Thx Larryt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Why is that? I have never had to do that, I always do them from the bottom Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124 Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Larry wrote: Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? If it's like the W123, it requires a hardy squeeze with the pliers, so I don't think an average fellow could do it with just hands. I know a bull of a farmer who might - but he's one of those folks who doesn't bother with a vise or a torch to bend metal bars... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
That Viton is stiff enough it would be VERY difficult to insert by hand. Easy enough with pliers or channel-locks with a bit of silicone grease, but I doubt an ordinary mortal could get them in with fingers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
There is a link that connects the bottom of the shifter to a lever of the transmission and there are plastic grommets at both ends (in the shifter and in the lever on the transmission. Those grommets are the subject of most of this discussion and they are easiest to do from beneath the car. The hard part (other than getting dirt in the face) is pressing the new grommet in the hole and not losing the spring clips. But there are another pair of plastic bushings on the trunions that allow the fore-aft motion of the shifter and these can wear out too (they did in my 79 300TD with 350K miles). These bushings need to be replaced from above after removing the console and the shifter. This wasn't a bad job in my 123 model (console removal was harder my 126 model). If you need to remove the shifter from above to do the trunion bushings it's little additional work to replace the grommet too, which is much easier with the shifter out of the car. When the grommets are bad I heard/felt a buzzing at the shifter (metal on metal). When the trunion bushings were bad the shifter felt sloppy. Even with all those miles, my old TD felt very tight and crisp with the new bushings and grommets. Scott --- Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Why is that? I have never had to do that, I always do them from the bottom Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124 Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
