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Here ON 911, I remember gas going up to 1.79, that was HIGH HIGH HIGH!!. Then I remember it going down as low as 79 there for a week or so not too long after. Curt Raymond wrote: Really? Maybe because of reduced demand in NYC? Weren't there price controls instituted right after 911? Our gas prices didn't go down... Of course theres no production or refining here either. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:34:46 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I remember 79 cent a gallon just after 911 - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Sheesh -- there was a gas war bewteen two stations during my senior year. Dad came home and told me to go fill my tank (1951 VW). I only had $1.00 -- the tank wouldn't hold that much! The gas was $0.12/gal. I've never seen it that low since On 2/2/06, BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And an old man like me can remember $0.23 / gal back in high school - for my 1962 Corvair. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 271k miles -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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Another scenario is that skyrocketing fuel costs will eventually make it less attractive to have things made in China and shipped over here, as the high shipping costs will offset the cheapness of the labor. Lee On Thursday 02 February 2006 6:24, Jim Cathey wrote: how does an economy that makes nothing survive? I'm a simple fella and that question has me worried You weather the storm until there are no more 'grass hut' economies. If we do our part, churning out popular culture that gets exported to everywhere, pretty soon everywhere will be like us. Then there's no problem anymore, and the transportation and language issues can again drive production back home. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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thats a good point lee wrote: Another scenario is that skyrocketing fuel costs will eventually make it less attractive to have things made in China and shipped over here, as the high shipping costs will offset the cheapness of the labor. Lee On Thursday 02 February 2006 6:24, Jim Cathey wrote: how does an economy that makes nothing survive? I'm a simple fella and that question has me worried You weather the storm until there are no more 'grass hut' economies. If we do our part, churning out popular culture that gets exported to everywhere, pretty soon everywhere will be like us. Then there's no problem anymore, and the transportation and language issues can again drive production back home. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Well, I certainly wouldn't go buy a new Subaru. I bought my 97' with 92K miles for about $7400 around 6 years ago. It's got 212K on it now and other than an alternator around 140K, all it's needed was a water pump last week. Though I'll agree, the mileage might not be that much better than some truck you're considering if it's small enough. However, if it's a Chevy, I could almost guarantee the Sube would be more reliable. However, if you find yourself hardly ever carrying more than two people and frequently using the bed, then the truck might be the better bet. (though personally I'd go find a used Toyota at that point). The E-bikes are kind of like the E-cars. They work well (you can use them without pedalling at all), but they're greatly effected by hills. And if you don't pedal at all, they can drain pretty quick. But you can travel at around maybe 12mph with a pretty gental pedal on flat pavement. you can do 20mph or better if you're willing to really go at it. It just all depends on the conditions as to how well they will work. The nice part with them is that the chargers are small enough that if you use up the juice on the way to work, you could pop off the battery (even if you leave your bike outside) and plug it in at work so it's good to go for the ride home. I bought a second battery for fear of running out. Problem is the weight. I bought a rack, but it's hard to keep that 35lbs-ish of battery back there without falling off if you go over anything rough... And it feels like I'm pulling the seams apart if I try to put it in a backpack... Levi (: On 2/3/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Levi, I wonder if one of the electric bike add-ons would work for my wife? Its her need to walk those stupid dogs that keeps her from just using her bike full time. Theres nowhere to shower at work so she'd end up being all sweaty in the afternoon. I commute 40 miles a day and we have adverse weather here in New England (plenty of ice this year) and I've never had a problem with my 240D. The 190D should cut my fuel usage by 1/3. As for camp, its 3/4 of a mile of pretty rough road, a Subaru might cut it but spending $20,000 on a new car just doesn't make any sense. I can buy a tremendous amount of gas for that money. A Colorado pickup is only going to $16k or so, the extra money to get into the Subaru doesn't make any sense for the small amount of gas saved. If you go over to fueleconomy.gov and compare the small engine manual shift for each the Subaru is 4mpg better, which breaks down to only $269 a year more for the pickup -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:30:39 -0500 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like you could probably do most of your work with just a car and trailer. I used to have a little Toyota 4wd pickup for the occasional hauling of something, but I finally figured out that it just didn't make sense. Between the registration, inspection, insurance and general upkeep, it was costing a good chunk of change for the handful of times we used it a year. I've since just got a little 4x8 trailer with side racks. That works for hauling mulch or the flail mower or barrels or trash or whatnot. It works fine behind my 83' 300D, and either of my 97' Subaru Imprezas. Not sure how rough the terrain is to your campsite, but if you don't need more than about 5 inches of ground clearance a Subaru would probably work for you there as well. I live like 40 miles from where I work, but generally I'm only over here 4 days a week and my parents live about 8 miles from work. So lately I've been staying here for the 3 nights. It's a bit cold here in upstate NY this time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions, but come summer I think I'm going to try my electric bike. You can still pedal, but if you want to go faster or need some help up a hill you can kick in the electric. The problem where I live is the hills. If I lived on flat land I'd be on the bike no question. It can be done with a regular bicycle, but it takes some time and effort. I'm hoping the electric bike won't run out of juice up the hill. But I have about 600-800 feet to climb from work back up to my parents. And of course there's valleys in the way depending on which way I go, so more hills. I agree, I'd love an electric or otherwise more efficient vehicle. I'm just trying to use my 83' 300D on oil during the summer season. Once I get that figured out I might try it in the winter... (: Levi - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com
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wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other countries which still have oil.
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no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of stocks, switchgrass and such. Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR, off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits. Also should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants. Mitch Haley wrote: wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other countries which still have oil. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Well, if those are the best means of reducing our dependence upon foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be really unstable. On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of stocks, switchgrass and such. Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR, off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits. Also should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants. Mitch Haley wrote: wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other countries which still have oil. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)
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lee wrote: What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? No, of course not. His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more subsidies. Conservation is un-American, remember?
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'Point is we've never had and still don't have any national energy policy but, Use as much as we can as fast as we can. Wilton IIRC, Jimmy Carter had us turning our thermostats down to 68. His administration may have been responsible for the implementation of CAFE standards in 1978 also. I agree that we haven't had much of an energy policy in recent decades. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD
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OK Don wrote: Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not bail them out, that they should build something relevant. Couldn't believe my eyes. I agree in principle, but I don't think it's a principled stand. He was all for giving money to the airlines to protect those jobs, and he has no problem with giving tax breaks to oil companies in a year of record profits for them. Yet he thinks bailing out auto manufacturers isn't a good idea. Maybe it has something to do with union autoworkers tending to vote Democratic.
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: And wearing sweaters! Part of the reason he lost the election in 1980---nobody wanted Mr. Rogers for president. The Onion, in their Our Dumb Century book, had a great sendup of that election. It was a newspaper front page with a picture of Carter, captioned Let's talk better mileage, and one of Reagan, captioned Kill the bastards.
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irresponsibility? oh god. lee wrote: wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other countries which still have oil. What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? Lee
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Yeah like more armoured Humvees and guns, yeah lots more guns. You just sort of know that we are in the deep end of the poo pool when dubbya starts saying we are in the deep end. Hendrik more guns = more fun - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not bail them out, that they should build something relevant. Couldn't believe my eyes. On 2/1/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lee wrote: What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? No, of course not. His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more subsidies. Conservation is un-American, remember? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 26/01/2006
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, lee wrote: What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? Every morning on my commute, i see something worse: soccer-mom types starting up the SUV, the kid hopping in, then they make the arduous trek down their ~200yd drive way and sit with the engine running waiting for the school bus.. and its not just one family! -j.
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IIRC there was/is a federal tax break for buying a vehicle that weighs more than 6000 pounds. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Riessen Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Yeah like more armoured Humvees and guns, yeah lots more guns. You just sort of know that we are in the deep end of the poo pool when dubbya starts saying we are in the deep end. Hendrik more guns = more fun - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Can't believe that I'm defending the clown, but I did read that he said in response to the GM and Ford woes that the government will not bail them out, that they should build something relevant. Couldn't believe my eyes. On 2/1/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lee wrote: What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? No, of course not. His proposals were all supply-side -- mostly more subsidies. Conservation is un-American, remember? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/242 - Release Date: 26/01/2006 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. paul wrote: irresponsibility? oh god. lee wrote: wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other countries which still have oil. What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? Lee ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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people are becoming lazy and sissified. John W. Reames III wrote: On Wed, 1 Feb 2006, lee wrote: What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? Every morning on my commute, i see something worse: soccer-mom types starting up the SUV, the kid hopping in, then they make the arduous trek down their ~200yd drive way and sit with the engine running waiting for the school bus.. and its not just one family! -j. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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yep, thats my thought. When their oil dries up in what, 10-20 years or so, then where will they be? Potter, Tom E wrote: Mitch has it right. I have always thought that those who complain about us depending on foreign oil have it backwards. I say get 100 percent of our oil from abroad. When they run out, we will be the only ones with oil. By the time we deplete our supply we will have developed an alternate source of energy. Just my 2 cents. Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other countries which still have oil. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. I have to disagree with you, Kaleb- I think its called not just their business but also their 1). Fouling our air 2). Squandering natural resources, and 3). generally demonstrating that they lack the good sense not to crap where they eat. And actually, it does appear to be the governments right and job to dictate what we can drive. Hence all this talk about federal pollution guidelines, safety standards and fuel standards. Lee
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I personally believe that gas should be more expensive. Thus it would make the big SUV less attractive and the big Mercedes cheaper for us. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lee Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:25 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. I have to disagree with you, Kaleb- I think its called not just their business but also their 1). Fouling our air 2). Squandering natural resources, and 3). generally demonstrating that they lack the good sense not to crap where they eat. And actually, it does appear to be the governments right and job to dictate what we can drive. Hence all this talk about federal pollution guidelines, safety standards and fuel standards. Lee ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 2/1/2006
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Don't recall that but did hear him say that the obscene profits of the big oil companies was ok. He should be smarter than that. Even if he believes it, he should be enough of a politician to keep his mouth shut or say something a bit less specific. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? Wilton ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I agree in principle but the problem is that people are really really dumb. I talk to people every day who are convinced that gas prices will be under $2 sometime soon. To me thats just foolish. I'm moving to more economical vehicles (the 190D and when I replace my Dakota it will be with something smaller) because I figure it won't be long until $3 gas is a reality. In the 12 years since I graduated highschool gas has gone from $0.99 a gal to $2.37 (today anyway). I don't think it takes an economist to expect that in 2018 gas will be something like $3.77, probably even more. The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials and the trucking to move said materials. Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 16:13:19 2006 Received: from mail2.mx.voyager.net ([216.93.66.206]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4h5C-0004xj-Vo for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:13:19 + Received: from voyager.net (d158.as2.sfld1.mi.core.com [209.153.156.179]) by mail2.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id k12GDGRv099811 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:13:44 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Truckers fight biodiesel mandate X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:13:19 - dave walton wrote: My free-market side winces at this type of legislation, but it is necessary. Once diesel prices go over $4/gallon, the market will work all these bug out by itself. Truckers will want to use it because it costs a buck less per gallon. You seem to think that the price of bio stays constant while the price of dino goes up. Three years ago, bio was $1.70 while dino was $1.40, both fully taxed. One might have thought demand for bio would go through the roof when dino hit $2.50, but it's not happening.
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I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. Chris Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I agree in principle but the problem is that people are really really dumb. I talk to people every day who are convinced that gas prices will be under $2 sometime soon. To me thats just foolish. I'm moving to more economical vehicles (the 190D and when I replace my Dakota it will be with something smaller) because I figure it won't be long until $3 gas is a reality. In the 12 years since I graduated highschool gas has gone from $0.99 a gal to $2.37 (today anyway). I don't think it takes an economist to expect that in 2018 gas will be something like $3.77, probably even more. The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials and the trucking to move said materials. Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 16:33:38 2006 Received: from mail.sophiosoft.com ([207.97.195.46]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4hOs-0007G7-6y for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:33:38 + Received: from bimbyjono ([72.17.141.247]) by mail.sophiosoft.com (Mail Server) with ASMTP id CPZ38547 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:33:35 -0500 From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:33:50 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] even more X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:33:38 - W123 W123 Front Rear Brake Kit W123 Body Rubber kit Cooling Kit Front Pad Set Front Door Seals Water Pump Gasket Rear Pad Set Rear Door Seals Thermostat Seal Wear Sensors Trunk Seal 2 Gallons Genuine Mercedes Coolant Anti Squeal Paste Front Windshield Seal Genuine Mercedes Citric Acid Flush Front Wheel Seals Rear Window Seal Radiator Cap Rear Wheel Seals Front Brake Discs $295.00 $119.00 Rear Brake Discs $189.00 W123 Belt Kit W123 30k Filter Kit Water Pump Alternator set Oil Filter Power Steering Air Filter Air Conditioning Inline Fuel Filter Spin On Fuel Filter $19.00 Power Steering Filter Transmission Filter Kit $49.00
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I remember 79 cent a gallon just after 911 Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. Chris Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I agree in principle but the problem is that people are really really dumb. I talk to people every day who are convinced that gas prices will be under $2 sometime soon. To me thats just foolish. I'm moving to more economical vehicles (the 190D and when I replace my Dakota it will be with something smaller) because I figure it won't be long until $3 gas is a reality. In the 12 years since I graduated highschool gas has gone from $0.99 a gal to $2.37 (today anyway). I don't think it takes an economist to expect that in 2018 gas will be something like $3.77, probably even more. The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials and the trucking to move said materials. Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. I remember paying a nickel to fill my mini-bike tank. Gas was 26.9/gal. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Its called Greed. Developers can make much more money selling 400k houses on 1 acre lots than 100k houses on 1/4 acre lots. And the local governments encourage that because they get more taxes and need less municipal services. I do look for that bubble to burst, though, as how many 2 person households can continue to afford heating/cooling/maintaining/taxes on those big houses? Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and shop Werner - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil I agree in principle but the problem is that people are really really dumb. I talk to people every day who are convinced that gas prices will be under $2 sometime soon. To me thats just foolish. I'm moving to more economical vehicles (the 190D and when I replace my Dakota it will be with something smaller) because I figure it won't be long until $3 gas is a reality. In the 12 years since I graduated highschool gas has gone from $0.99 a gal to $2.37 (today anyway). I don't think it takes an economist to expect that in 2018 gas will be something like $3.77, probably even more. The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials and the trucking to move said materials. Restraint is clearly not in our vocabulary. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:08:04 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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The one thing that hasn't been mentioned is the McMansions. Why does a family of 3 need a 4000sqft house? Houses have been made way more efficient over the years but now we blow it by having way more house. Not only is it costing is in fuel to heat it but in building materials and the trucking to move said materials. In the Chicago suburbs, they buy houses on 1/4 lots, knock 'em down and fill the lot with McMansion. We live in the age of excess Rick Knoble '85 300 CD
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Werner Fehlauer wrote: Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and shop That's more garage than I need. I've often though of building a 30x40 hip roof pole barn, with an apartment and a deck upstairs.
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lee wrote: On Thursday 02 February 2006 8:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: If somebody wants to spend the money on that big SUV, spend the money burning up all that fuel driving it, well that is there business. Its not the governments right or job to dictate what you can drive. Its called free market economy. I have to disagree with you, Kaleb- I think its called not just their business but also their 1). Fouling our air 2). Squandering natural resources, and 3). generally demonstrating that they lack the good sense not to crap where they eat. The basic problem is this particular market doesn't internalize some costs: - The cost of fouling the commons (the atmosphere) with more pollution. - The cost of using up an irreplacible resource. - The cost of sending our military out to defend our access to that resource. - The cost of higher injury rates. If those costs were included somehow in the price of owning an SUV, then the market would function fine and the government wouldn't have to intervene. But it's the very fact that those costs *aren't* included that makes SUVs so attractive.
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Potter, Tom E wrote: IIRC there was/is a federal tax break for buying a vehicle that weighs more than 6000 pounds. Yes, but only for business use.
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Put in your bid now. We might get sold to China as they will soon have all the money anyway. Randy B in Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Well, if those are the best means of reducing our dependence upon foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be really unstable. On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of stocks, switchgrass and such. Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR, off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits. Also should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants. Mitch Haley wrote: wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other countries which still have oil. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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$0.249 my senior year of high school (1969-70). On 2/2/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. I remember paying a nickel to fill my mini-bike tank. Gas was 26.9 /gal. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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And an old man like me can remember $0.23 / gal back in high school - for my 1962 Corvair. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 271k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Berryman Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. I remember paying a nickel to fill my mini-bike tank. Gas was 26.9/gal. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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3 years before I was even born, grandpappy! :-) Chris LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $0.249 my senior year of high school (1969-70). On 2/2/06, John Berryman wrote: On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Christopher McCann wrote: I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. I remember paying a nickel to fill my mini-bike tank. Gas was 26.9 /gal. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 18:19:05 2006 Received: from fed1rmmtao12.cox.net ([68.230.241.27]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4j2v-0003mb-3v for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:19:05 + Received: from familycomp ([68.106.48.86]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:19:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Calipers Torn Boot X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:19:05 - Duh...they are in there...I'm an idiot. Okay...you all don't have to agree so quickly... Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Calipers Torn Boot then they are missing your you didnt order the kit you just ordered the piston seal by itself Bob Rentfro wrote: Those boots ain't in the kit Bob R - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Calipers Torn Boot On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 12:05 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: I got the rebulid kits from Rusty yeasterday. I started to do the job and I've noticed that the rubber boots around the pistons has torn/ripped/disinagrated. It does't look like I can replace these, can I? I reckon they are vital to keep dirt away from the piston. What's my next step? Bob Rentfro They're easily doable, parts should be in the kit. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
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recall the recent quote from the Economist article that was posted: If 1/3 of American cars and light trucks were diesel, we would save, every year, the amount of oil we import from Saudi Arabia. There are SO many alternatives out there - some more viable than others. That our current situation is absolutely rediculous. between ANWR, nuclear, wind, coal gassification, we would be completely self sufficient in fuel. Interesting argument from previous post - by not using our own oil (ANWR) it becomes a defacto strategic national reserve. Never thought of it that way - good observation. Chris R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put in your bid now. We might get sold to China as they will soon have all the money anyway. Randy B in Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zeitgeist Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:54 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Well, if those are the best means of reducing our dependence upon foreign oil, then we should just annex Canada; our largest single source of foreign oil...and, lately they've shown themselves to be really unstable. On 2/1/06, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: no, he didnt mention biodiesel but did mention making ethanol out of stocks, switchgrass and such. Should have mentioned drilling in ANWR, off the coast of FL and CA, and exploiting oil shale deposits. Also should have mentioned the need to build more refinaries and nuke plants. Mitch Haley wrote: wilton strickland wrote: Anybody hear W say anythng abt biodiesel to reduce dependence on oil? I missed the state of the union address, but last I knew, the solution to our dependence on foreign oil was to drill some wells and finish using up our own oil. That'll really make us less dependent on other countries which still have oil. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler (211k) '84 300D (207k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotkäppchen -1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 18:27:16 2006 Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.71]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4jAq-0004uK-0Y for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:27:16 + Received: from user-10mt01r.cable.mindspring.com ([65.110.128.59] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F4jAl-0006H7-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:27:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:27:09 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear Calipers Torn Boot X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:27:16 - On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 01:19 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Thanks for the clue, Johnny B. I feel realyy dumb. Bob Rentfro You're welcome. No need to feel dumb, you just learned something the easy way. Johnny B
Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil
Mitch - I built a 32x36 pole barn with 12 ft clearance for a decent lift, and it should have been bigger! Right now with a car, a pickup, 3 tractors and some smaller machinery, its pretty full. Just saw in Autoweek that a guy in Michigan has a 6000 sq ft garage, that should be big enough for anybody Werner - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Werner Fehlauer wrote: Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and shop That's more garage than I need. I've often though of building a 30x40 hip roof pole barn, with an apartment and a deck upstairs. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I think the race is on. Will China end up owning the rest of the world, or will Wally mart own China? At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put in your bid now. We might get sold to China as they will soon have all the money anyway. Randy B in Canada
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Both? Maybe China will own the world and we will run China from the back seat. ~ ~ ~ ~I think the race is on. Will China end up owning the rest of the world, or ~will Wally mart own China? ~ ~ ~At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: ~R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put in your bid now. We might get sold ~to China as they will soon have all ~the money anyway. ~ ~Randy B in Canada -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
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As usual I should have been more specific. New England hasn't seen gas under a buck in a decade or more and I would postulate that we will never see gas that cheap again. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:31:58 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I remember 99 cent/gallon gas in 1999 - Cross Plains, Wisconsin. Chris - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 20:02:11 2006 Received: from web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.41]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4keg-0007Vz-Cl for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:02:10 + Received: (qmail 10785 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 20:02:04 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dzbyLzoFsUVfNC8+3KMVCpBeO0LySOjViO/8TvV9xBdoXufW8R5KaJKV4ye44UFhTTA4xvRd2tmf2NGNiXCC3plRhLg9/Th7Owv431QcIsKVs86XsYUglz0rRNC+k2e+52qH+Oc6jCJdmmCacA59erJN8B+PwwK2QZcUu6ZpskE= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32811.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:02:04 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:02:11 - Really? Maybe because of reduced demand in NYC? Weren't there price controls instituted right after 911? Our gas prices didn't go down... Of course theres no production or refining here either. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:34:46 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I remember 79 cent a gallon just after 911 - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 20:04:39 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4kh5-0007w3-8K for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:04:39 + Received: from ringbill.gull.us (gull.us[24.18.9.231]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id 20060202200432m13009haude; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 20:04:32 + Received: from [69.88.113.178] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by ringbill.gull.us with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 (FreeBSD)) id 1F4kgv-0001KO-MA for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:04:30 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:07:08 -0800 From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050715) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.6 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system ringbill.gull.us, has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details. Content preview: Werner Fehlauer wrote: Mitch - I built a 32x36 pole barn with 12 ft clearance for a decent lift, and it should have been bigger! Right now with a car, a pickup, 3 tractors and some smaller machinery, its pretty full. [...] Content analysis details: (-4.6 points, 5.0
Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil
We've got the slab formed up at my camp for a 16x20 garage to keep my tractor in. Realizing we probably should have gone 20x24 but its too late now, I'm not redoing the earthwork... Thats about the size I'd like 2 cars wide with extra depth... Twice that would be a perfect size house for me and the wife. We've been living in 600sf for 6 years now and could use a bit more space but not so much that we'd never get around to cleaning it. -Curt Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:06:45 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Werner Fehlauer wrote: Now a 1000 sq ft house with a 2000 sq ft 6 bay garage and shop That's more garage than I need. I've often though of building a 30x40 hip roof pole barn, with an apartment and a deck upstairs. - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 20:10:21 2006 Received: from web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.39]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4kmb-65-LK for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:10:21 + Received: (qmail 31611 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 20:10:19 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fKmlxdAGoL0KKu1hJf9Aerpa9cGsv8lcVNblWJa2PPLqxFhX8ptZ1yxFtzCx5riHUZJREq3X86bvnGJXLtmk39TSeKVaDqtKv7DnNcvJDG38Y8jgucndiMFT8DWJ29O1IgB/PeK6pTMfV8qA7lch4RzlPhI8IpIDLTEKxfYJXZ4= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:10:19 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:10:19 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:10:22 - I was going to say water in the fuel then I realized that anyone really thinking about this would be smart enough to plumb the tank vent (and emissions system, and axle breathers) into the snorkel... -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:18:08 -0800 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trucking Industry the Saga continues To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Two Words - Diesel and Snorkel Randy B - Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 20:16:13 2006 Received: from web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.33]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4ksG-rA-Pj for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:16:12 + Received: (qmail 38895 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 20:16:10 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=umogKgxqPy1wg9haIQgW9X1Jdt+yOROwxl2B/b7J0EZ4KIODiqI1Tfal+zcjQMvf+WJN0QsZdP7GwkYQNsD6Bvfw3i34F9ymuWhY/wrZ+AX7j0qmNcjwDCrywyxf8EoYqk58cXdNVqqjVugLnjeOR3FVx5cgy1+u7htoTzvpzvc= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:16:10 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:16:10 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List
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we are not far right now from EVERYTHING being made in china. They can sell a car for what Robert Bosch wants for a part for a car. not sure how the germans can compete with that actually, not sure how the germans will be able to compete with anyone anymore. how does an economy that makes nothing survive? I'm a simple fella and that question has me worried On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the race is on. Will China end up owning the rest of the world, or will Wally mart own China? At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put in your bid now. We might get sold to China as they will soon have all the money anyway. Randy B in Canada ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Theres irresponsible and then theres real life. Irresponsible in my mind is the soccer mom with 2 kids and a Suburban... The truck never goes offroad and is never really full or if it is full its because they're carrying too much crap they really don't need. Most people (I know, dangerous term) myself included in this one, who have a pickup truck could get away with a small SUV and a trailer. I contend myself by saying the 18mpg my Dakota pulls down is not all that bad and it only stays in town. When I replace it I'm thinking about a Chevy Colorado probably with a 4 banger which should pull closer to 23mpg. Not a big increase but I figure at some point when we're settled into a house (maybe never the way things are in New England) I'll probably have 3 vehicles, 2 cars and a pickup. I don't *need* a pickup but we do use it as a truck, it goes offroad, hauls trash to the dump, hauls brush, firewood, dirt, lawnmowers etc. I to need a 4wd vehicle to get in to our camp although I suppose we could walk the 3/4 mile in carrying all our supplies, or use the tractor, then again we pull start the tractor behind my pickup and the 190D sure isn't gonna be able to do that, the Dakota can barely do it now. My wife only commutes about 8 miles a day, its just a little too far to walk and she has a side gig walking dogs at lunch which she needs the car for. An electric car would be ideal for her but we've got nowhere to plug one in near our apartment. If we had a house I'm thinking it'd be a heckuva project. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:51 -0800 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen vehicles is expensive. I need vehicles big enough to haul people and tow things like boats and haul junk etc. I can't do all that with a Honda Civic SNIP __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 21:10:53 2006 Received: from web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.31]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4ljB-0007YC-73 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:10:53 + Received: (qmail 64439 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2006 21:10:51 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3XH4DXcI8oc6dAsK9TmbGUt1C2IOZF3bo1tB1Z+oHDvurN8sC+I1FOnCw9x1tqP+jlypJACp+voqRDGqj0XQrV4wM1hz2A6Fk8Fkj/NYavDO1cVl7JjeyWxWvnePhbcxttzJpKxfpvt/KZc++6uUURSBeqhBZWqOjKcfxzXV6V8= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:10:51 PST Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty W126 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:10:53 - Or 201 kits for us chuckleheads that buy cars off eBay... Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:37:27 -0500 From: Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rusty W126 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Working on it now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trampas Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:19 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] Rusty W126 Rusty, How about the W126 kits? Since we all know the W126 is the *best* chassis ever. Trampas __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 21:13:45 2006 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.201]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4llx-00083K-7m for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu
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Here is an interesting article on this subject: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200602020821.asp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Theres irresponsible and then theres real life. Irresponsible in my mind is the soccer mom with 2 kids and a Suburban... The truck never goes offroad and is never really full or if it is full its because they're carrying too much crap they really don't need. Most people (I know, dangerous term) myself included in this one, who have a pickup truck could get away with a small SUV and a trailer. I contend myself by saying the 18mpg my Dakota pulls down is not all that bad and it only stays in town. When I replace it I'm thinking about a Chevy Colorado probably with a 4 banger which should pull closer to 23mpg. Not a big increase but I figure at some point when we're settled into a house (maybe never the way things are in New England) I'll probably have 3 vehicles, 2 cars and a pickup. I don't *need* a pickup but we do use it as a truck, it goes offroad, hauls trash to the dump, hauls brush, firewood, dirt, lawnmowers etc. I to need a 4wd vehicle to get in to our camp although I suppose we could walk the 3/4 mile in carrying all our supplies, or use the tractor, then again we pull start the tractor behind my pickup and the 190D sure isn't gonna be able to do that, the Dakota can barely do it now. My wife only commutes about 8 miles a day, its just a little too far to walk and she has a side gig walking dogs at lunch which she needs the car for. An electric car would be ideal for her but we've got nowhere to plug one in near our apartment. If we had a house I'm thinking it'd be a heckuva project. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:51 -0800 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen vehicles is expensive. I need vehicles big enough to haul people and tow things like boats and haul junk etc. I can't do all that with a Honda Civic SNIP __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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It occurred to me the other day that here in MA we're having big problems with old mill dams becoming dangerous and threatening whole towns. Some of you might have heard when Taunton was threatened a couple months ago. The thing that struck me is we have nearly zero hydroelectric generation. That just seems silly, if we have all this water backed up and we're not doing anything with it but let the dams get dangerous... I live near one old mill town (Fitchburg, MA) that has a couple good size resevoirs. I've read some about micro-hydro power and as I understand it you really need either a large flow of water or a large drop to get the water moving. So one of the resevoirs in particular has a good 50-100 foot drop and is always flowing water over the spillway. I can't believe you couldn't make some considerable power there for a relatively small outlay. From what I understand micro-hydro, is much more productive than wind or solar power. In this case it wouldn't even be micro-hydro Boggles the mind. I'm actually to the point I'm considering looking into what it would take to setup a small scale hydro plant. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:24:43 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 recall the recent quote from the Economist article that was posted: If 1/3 of American cars and light trucks were diesel, we would save, every year, the amount of oil we import from Saudi Arabia. There are SO many alternatives out there - some more viable than others. That our current situation is absolutely rediculous. between ANWR, nuclear, wind, coal gassification, we would be completely self sufficient in fuel. Interesting argument from previous post - by not using our own oil (ANWR) it becomes a defacto strategic national reserve. Never thought of it that way - good observation. Chris - Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 02 21:29:23 2006 Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.64]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F4m14-0001Vh-Sz for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:29:22 + Received: from user-10mt01r.cable.mindspring.com ([65.110.128.59] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1F4m12-0001ni-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:29:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:29:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:29:23 - On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 04:13 PM, Dave M. wrote: Forgot to mention... it's got Delvac-1 and the only way to drive a 1.5L VW diesel is like you stole it. You can pretty much duct tape the pedal to the floor and adjust speed by proper gear selection, lol... it's right up there with a 240D auto, or 220D, in performance terms! =) +dm I've had trouble with sitting cars starting in dead cold when they were last fueled prior to winterized fuel season. I let a couple of cars wait until spring before starting them one year. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Sounds like you could probably do most of your work with just a car and trailer. I used to have a little Toyota 4wd pickup for the occasional hauling of something, but I finally figured out that it just didn't make sense. Between the registration, inspection, insurance and general upkeep, it was costing a good chunk of change for the handful of times we used it a year. I've since just got a little 4x8 trailer with side racks. That works for hauling mulch or the flail mower or barrels or trash or whatnot. It works fine behind my 83' 300D, and either of my 97' Subaru Imprezas. Not sure how rough the terrain is to your campsite, but if you don't need more than about 5 inches of ground clearance a Subaru would probably work for you there as well. I live like 40 miles from where I work, but generally I'm only over here 4 days a week and my parents live about 8 miles from work. So lately I've been staying here for the 3 nights. It's a bit cold here in upstate NY this time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions, but come summer I think I'm going to try my electric bike. You can still pedal, but if you want to go faster or need some help up a hill you can kick in the electric. The problem where I live is the hills. If I lived on flat land I'd be on the bike no question. It can be done with a regular bicycle, but it takes some time and effort. I'm hoping the electric bike won't run out of juice up the hill. But I have about 600-800 feet to climb from work back up to my parents. And of course there's valleys in the way depending on which way I go, so more hills. I agree, I'd love an electric or otherwise more efficient vehicle. I'm just trying to use my 83' 300D on oil during the summer season. Once I get that figured out I might try it in the winter... (: Levi On 2/2/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theres irresponsible and then theres real life. Irresponsible in my mind is the soccer mom with 2 kids and a Suburban... The truck never goes offroad and is never really full or if it is full its because they're carrying too much crap they really don't need. Most people (I know, dangerous term) myself included in this one, who have a pickup truck could get away with a small SUV and a trailer. I contend myself by saying the 18mpg my Dakota pulls down is not all that bad and it only stays in town. When I replace it I'm thinking about a Chevy Colorado probably with a 4 banger which should pull closer to 23mpg. Not a big increase but I figure at some point when we're settled into a house (maybe never the way things are in New England) I'll probably have 3 vehicles, 2 cars and a pickup. I don't *need* a pickup but we do use it as a truck, it goes offroad, hauls trash to the dump, hauls brush, firewood, dirt, lawnmowers etc. I to need a 4wd vehicle to get in to our camp although I suppose we could walk the 3/4 mile in carrying all our supplies, or use the tractor, then again we pull start the tractor behind my pickup and the 190D sure isn't gonna be able to do that, the Dakota can barely do it now. My wife only commutes about 8 miles a day, its just a little too far to walk and she has a side gig walking dogs at lunch which she needs the car for. An electric car would be ideal for her but we've got nowhere to plug one in near our apartment. If we had a house I'm thinking it'd be a heckuva project. -Curt Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:35:51 -0800 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen vehicles is expensive. I need vehicles big enough to haul people and tow things like boats and haul junk etc. I can't do all that with a Honda Civic SNIP __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie
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Randy, What lake is 300 miles from Winnipeg? There are some rather nice ones (L. Winnipeg and L. Manitoba, or Falcon Lake or Westhawk L., .g.), that are a whole lot closer. We travel to the lake in the summer routinely and that is a trip in excess of 300 miles. I did that 11 times last summer On 2/2/06, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem with that (or at least my problem) is that keeping umpteen vehicles is expensive. I need vehicles big enough to haul people and tow things like boats and haul junk etc. I can't do all that with a Honda Civic or Smart Car (MB content?). So, we currently have, in addition to my toy 300D, a full size Ford 4X4 pickup(my winter car), a Toyota 4Runner 4x4 (my 2 sons share it), a Toyota Avalon (wife's car), and 2 old beaters that get driven when we need an extra vehicle (don't keep insurance on them year round but usually have it on both in the summer) a 1968 Chevy pickup and a 1980 Ford LTD. We had an 88 Honda Accord as well but the rust caught up with it about the same time it needed an AT and so we let it go. Would cheerfully part with the LTD if there was someone who would pay me something reasonable for it. Don't quite know what to do with the old pickup as I have had it 20 years. Needs body work and paint but runs well. So, I hope you can see my dilemma. Fuel economy is good but I don't quite know how to accomplish it and do the things that need to be done. I considered a diesel pickup but the cost is high to acquire and a lot of my driving is short distance. I'd kill the poor thing. We travel to the lake in the summer routinely and that is a trip in excess of 300 miles. I did that 11 times last summer. The diesel pickup would be good for that trip but the rest of the time it would not be used properly. I don't think I can justify acquiring one for 3 or 4 thousand miles per year. I've run out of parking spots anyhow. I drove a Chevy Suburban for 10 years from 91 to 2001 and I still miss it. It did most things well and I got used to the size. (Just re-read this and it sounds like I am rambling but I think you will get my point - I like big vehicles. I just want one I can afford to feed.) Randy B -Original Message- What I want to know is, did he address the irresponsibility of driving a seven thousand pound, ten mile to the gallon behemoth SUV simply to go to the mall and take your kiddies to soccer practice? Lee ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Tom Wrote: Here is an interesting article on this subject: http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200602020821.asp; The only interetsing thing I read in that article was the fact that their 19th century thinking could still be published in a 21st century magazine. What a sad way they see the world! They should rename that magazine Status Quo: No Thought Required Jeff Zedic Toronto
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Maybe we should be signing up for some lessons in Mandarin Chinese ( or is there a more relevant dialect?). Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil we are not far right now from EVERYTHING being made in china. They can sell a car for what Robert Bosch wants for a part for a car. not sure how the germans can compete with that actually, not sure how the germans will be able to compete with anyone anymore. how does an economy that makes nothing survive? I'm a simple fella and that question has me worried On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the race is on. Will China end up owning the rest of the world, or will Wally mart own China? At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put in your bid now. We might get sold to China as they will soon have all the money anyway. Randy B in Canada ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Round trip. Each way is about 180 miles. We go to Sioux Narrows on Lake of the Woods. The cottage was home when I was a boy so it has sentimental attachment, not to mention that Lake of the Woods is much better than Falcon or Westhawk and Clearwater Bay cottages are a crazy price just because they are so much closer to Winnipeg. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil Randy, What lake is 300 miles from Winnipeg? There are some rather nice ones (L. Winnipeg and L. Manitoba, or Falcon Lake or Westhawk L., .g.), that are a whole lot closer. We travel to the lake in the summer routinely and that is a trip in excess of 300 miles. I did that 11 times last summer
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Yes, and they lost so his garage stays, apparently (according to AW) Werner Just saw in Autoweek that a guy in Michigan has a 6000 sq ft garage, that should be big enough for anybody Is that the guys whose neighbors sued him to try to make him take it down?
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On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 04:30 PM, Levi Smith wrote: It's a bit cold here in upstate NY this time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions Levi, Where in NY are you? I live in Bolton Landing overlooking Lake George from the west shore. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Ahh, a quick look at http://maps.google.com and it looks like you're a good few hours or so NE of me. I'm closer to PA. My house is right next to Corning, and I work in Hornell. Where I86 and I390 meet is about midway between locations. Levi On 2/2/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 04:30 PM, Levi Smith wrote: It's a bit cold here in upstate NY this time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions Levi, Where in NY are you? I live in Bolton Landing overlooking Lake George from the west shore. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie
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On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 05:51 PM, Levi Smith wrote: Ahh, a quick look at http://maps.google.com and it looks like you're a good few hours or so NE of me. I'm closer to PA. My house is right next to Corning, and I work in Hornell. Where I86 and I390 meet is about midway between locations. Levi 3-4 hour drive. Always looking for local MB enthusiasts. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
