Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
Interesting that you mention that. Someone was telling me that business must be good as far as construction, as they don’t see any day workers at Home Depot any more when they go there early in the morning. Dan On Jun 15, 2015, at 9:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Make sure La Migra isn't around while the trabajadores are around --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
Make sure La Migra isn't around while the trabajadores are around --R On 6/14/15 5:04 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: Make sure he has the rebar off the ground before pouring, and check that he has the cement to sand ratio correct... -MMM- On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I”ve got a well known and respected concrete contractor coming to the house on Tuesday afternoon to give me an estimate on adding an additional pad or extension to the side of my existing concrete driveway. While it should be fairly simple, and I know there’s not a lot of majik to pouring concrete, I thought I would ask here if anyone has experience with such things, and if so, anything I should ask or be wary of? It’s a rectangular area of about 10’ x 22’ with a sidewalk near one end. It essentially adds a parking space to the left side of the existing driveway on a flat area that is currently covered with grass. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
Dan at least doesn't have to worry about it ever freezing... -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question My thoughts are not to let anybody pour anything bigger than about 10x10 without grooving it for stress relief. The Amish dude who poured my dad's 40x24' garage did it in one piece and refused to notch it. Also didn't order air entrainment or fiber reinforcement or use reinforcing mesh. Also didn't slope it right, so the low spot was slightly east of center, when the low spot should have been at the doors on the west wall. So, within a few months, he had cracked concrete, and every time we get a driving rain there are puddles in the garage. You might be able to pour 10x22 without making the joints/grooves, especially if it's fiber reinforced or they embed steel road mesh in it. I helped a friend do a driveway pour about 11x40, maybe 20 years ago. The slab is still in good shape, but it's an average thickness of about 6, has road mesh in the middle of it, and was poured on a compressed sand base. Still, I'm impressed that it never cracked, considering the week or three it spends under water every spring. We made one frame about an inch lower than the other, leveled it off with a 2x6, went out to lunch, and then broomed it with a coarse push broom. Tied ropes to the broom head and handle, you'd pull the rope on the handle to broom a rough surface onto the concrete, then the other guy would haul it back to his side in the air, and then broom another 18 swath from low side to high side, repeat until entire surface is roughened. Absolutely, positively, under pain of death, do not pour concrete over grass. Hopefully there are zero contractors who would do that. Most contractors in MI will order a truckload of sand, tamp it down, and pour on top of that. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
Make sure he has the rebar off the ground before pouring, and check that he has the cement to sand ratio correct... -MMM- On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I”ve got a well known and respected concrete contractor coming to the house on Tuesday afternoon to give me an estimate on adding an additional pad or extension to the side of my existing concrete driveway. While it should be fairly simple, and I know there’s not a lot of majik to pouring concrete, I thought I would ask here if anyone has experience with such things, and if so, anything I should ask or be wary of? It’s a rectangular area of about 10’ x 22’ with a sidewalk near one end. It essentially adds a parking space to the left side of the existing driveway on a flat area that is currently covered with grass. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
I fully expect them to remove the grass, level the area, place a compacted gravel base and pour in two sections using rebar or reinforcing wire of some sort. It’s got a slight, maybe 5-10 degree slope towards the property line, so they’ll need to take that into consideration when they order the mix, too. I had a buddy at work get a Craigslist slab a couple of weeks ago in his back yard to park his boat on. His kids sent him a picture of the guy pouring the slab, and it was directly over the grass. Needless to say he was freaking out, but - too late! You get what you pay for…. Dan On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: My thoughts are not to let anybody pour anything bigger than about 10x10 without grooving it for stress relief. The Amish dude who poured my dad's 40x24' garage did it in one piece and refused to notch it. Also didn't order air entrainment or fiber reinforcement or use reinforcing mesh. Also didn't slope it right, so the low spot was slightly east of center, when the low spot should have been at the doors on the west wall. So, within a few months, he had cracked concrete, and every time we get a driving rain there are puddles in the garage. You might be able to pour 10x22 without making the joints/grooves, especially if it's fiber reinforced or they embed steel road mesh in it. I helped a friend do a driveway pour about 11x40, maybe 20 years ago. The slab is still in good shape, but it's an average thickness of about 6, has road mesh in the middle of it, and was poured on a compressed sand base. Still, I'm impressed that it never cracked, considering the week or three it spends under water every spring. We made one frame about an inch lower than the other, leveled it off with a 2x6, went out to lunch, and then broomed it with a coarse push broom. Tied ropes to the broom head and handle, you'd pull the rope on the handle to broom a rough surface onto the concrete, then the other guy would haul it back to his side in the air, and then broom another 18 swath from low side to high side, repeat until entire surface is roughened. Absolutely, positively, under pain of death, do not pour concrete over grass. Hopefully there are zero contractors who would do that. Most contractors in MI will order a truckload of sand, tamp it down, and pour on top of that. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
True. On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan at least doesn't have to worry about it ever freezing... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Concrete Question
My thoughts are not to let anybody pour anything bigger than about 10x10 without grooving it for stress relief. The Amish dude who poured my dad's 40x24' garage did it in one piece and refused to notch it. Also didn't order air entrainment or fiber reinforcement or use reinforcing mesh. Also didn't slope it right, so the low spot was slightly east of center, when the low spot should have been at the doors on the west wall. So, within a few months, he had cracked concrete, and every time we get a driving rain there are puddles in the garage. You might be able to pour 10x22 without making the joints/grooves, especially if it's fiber reinforced or they embed steel road mesh in it. I helped a friend do a driveway pour about 11x40, maybe 20 years ago. The slab is still in good shape, but it's an average thickness of about 6, has road mesh in the middle of it, and was poured on a compressed sand base. Still, I'm impressed that it never cracked, considering the week or three it spends under water every spring. We made one frame about an inch lower than the other, leveled it off with a 2x6, went out to lunch, and then broomed it with a coarse push broom. Tied ropes to the broom head and handle, you'd pull the rope on the handle to broom a rough surface onto the concrete, then the other guy would haul it back to his side in the air, and then broom another 18 swath from low side to high side, repeat until entire surface is roughened. Absolutely, positively, under pain of death, do not pour concrete over grass. Hopefully there are zero contractors who would do that. Most contractors in MI will order a truckload of sand, tamp it down, and pour on top of that. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
